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There appears to be a link to the wrong James Campbell, from the John Hunter (surgeon) article. John Hunter's 4th daughter Agnes apparently married a General Sir James Campbell. The James Campbell link takes us to a James Campbell, American, influential in early Hawaii. Doesn't appear to be the right Campbell. |
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I found no reference in the article on [[Chimera]] of this and I strongly doubt its veracity. |
I found no reference in the article on [[Chimera]] of this and I strongly doubt its veracity. |
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On the other hand, I do have a reference on John Hunter as being the discoverer of [[anastomosis]] or collateral circulation in stags. I have no year to date the right John Hunter, but the |
On the other hand, I do have a reference on John Hunter as being the discoverer of [[anastomosis]] of blood vessels or collateral circulation in stags. I have no year to date the right John Hunter, but the refference says it happened in [[Richmond Park]], which exists in London, where John Hunter, the Scottish surgeon, lived. The refference is in W. I. Beveridge, "The Art of Scientific Research" (Romanian translation from 1968, second edition preface written by author in Cambridge, 1953). [[User:Ferred|Ferred]] 18:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Wendy Moore verifies that it is this John Hunter in her biography, <i>The Knife Man</i>. She describes a particularly interesting case where Hunter cures a popliteal aneurysm in a coachman by applying the principle of collateral circulation as discovered in stags. As for chimera, Hunter <i>did</i> attempt to graft various parts to animals, particularly chickens. Not that those are actually chimera, of course. |
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[[Special:Contributions/69.242.225.132|69.242.225.132]] ([[User talk:69.242.225.132|talk]]) 02:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==Helping the Poor Section== |
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The entirety of the Helping the Poor section is clearly an unattributed quotation. [[User:Fumblebruschi|Fumblebruschi]] 16:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Just to make the obvious point that there is now a section on his character with two explicit quotations, both of which are properly referenced. Above contributor is quite right: quotations must be referenced. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 12:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Use of Moore as Source== |
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There are some problems using Moore as a source considering the number of assumptions she makes concerning Hunter, particularly allegedly injecting himself with VD. Don't get me wrong, it's a great book and well-researched, but there are more than a few generalizations and assumptions she makes that are presented here as 100% fact. If we could go back and make note in the article that the sources provided, while very good, can only make assumptions considering the lack of hard primary-source data, it would be beneficial, I think.[[Special:Contributions/130.184.253.25|130.184.253.25]] ([[User talk:130.184.253.25|talk]]) 15:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Rather than make a general observation about Moore's book, it might be better to be more detailed about the original sources when Moore is used as a reference. To that end, for example, in one place I have cited Moore but mentioned that she was quoting a first-hand source. In slower time I will go through all the references taken from her book, and where there is one, mention the original document. [[User:Fulleraaron|Fulleraaron]] ([[User talk:Fulleraaron|talk]]) 17:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Thank you, that would be a great start. [[Special:Contributions/130.184.253.25|130.184.253.25]] ([[User talk:130.184.253.25|talk]]) 14:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC) |
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Today I have gone through all the uses of Moore as a reference, and added in some info on primary sources where she cites some. The primary sources aren't given full citations, but they would hopefully be a place to dig further if people wanted to. Sorry it took so long! [[User:Fulleraaron|Fulleraaron]] ([[User talk:Fulleraaron|talk]]) 14:22, 5 May 2013 (BST) |
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I have just added a link to the John Hunter Clinic for sexual health, only to be told that the website for this perfectly legitimate NHS facility is blacklisted! Why do I bother ! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PeterDRG|PeterDRG]] ([[User talk:PeterDRG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterDRG|contribs]]) 18:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Incorrect Link
[edit]There appears to be a link to the wrong James Campbell, from the John Hunter (surgeon) article. John Hunter's 4th daughter Agnes apparently married a General Sir James Campbell. The James Campbell link takes us to a James Campbell, American, influential in early Hawaii. Doesn't appear to be the right Campbell.
Malcolm Grist (no account) mgrist@shaw.ca —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.161.230.10 (talk) 05:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
Chimera / anastomosis
[edit]The following phrase appears in the article:
"He discovered CHIMAIRA(creature created by grafting animal parts)."
I found no reference in the article on Chimera of this and I strongly doubt its veracity.
On the other hand, I do have a reference on John Hunter as being the discoverer of anastomosis of blood vessels or collateral circulation in stags. I have no year to date the right John Hunter, but the refference says it happened in Richmond Park, which exists in London, where John Hunter, the Scottish surgeon, lived. The refference is in W. I. Beveridge, "The Art of Scientific Research" (Romanian translation from 1968, second edition preface written by author in Cambridge, 1953). Ferred 18:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Wendy Moore verifies that it is this John Hunter in her biography, The Knife Man. She describes a particularly interesting case where Hunter cures a popliteal aneurysm in a coachman by applying the principle of collateral circulation as discovered in stags. As for chimera, Hunter did attempt to graft various parts to animals, particularly chickens. Not that those are actually chimera, of course.
69.242.225.132 (talk) 02:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Helping the Poor Section
[edit]The entirety of the Helping the Poor section is clearly an unattributed quotation. Fumblebruschi 16:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Just to make the obvious point that there is now a section on his character with two explicit quotations, both of which are properly referenced. Above contributor is quite right: quotations must be referenced. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Use of Moore as Source
[edit]There are some problems using Moore as a source considering the number of assumptions she makes concerning Hunter, particularly allegedly injecting himself with VD. Don't get me wrong, it's a great book and well-researched, but there are more than a few generalizations and assumptions she makes that are presented here as 100% fact. If we could go back and make note in the article that the sources provided, while very good, can only make assumptions considering the lack of hard primary-source data, it would be beneficial, I think.130.184.253.25 (talk) 15:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Rather than make a general observation about Moore's book, it might be better to be more detailed about the original sources when Moore is used as a reference. To that end, for example, in one place I have cited Moore but mentioned that she was quoting a first-hand source. In slower time I will go through all the references taken from her book, and where there is one, mention the original document. Fulleraaron (talk) 17:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, that would be a great start. 130.184.253.25 (talk) 14:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Today I have gone through all the uses of Moore as a reference, and added in some info on primary sources where she cites some. The primary sources aren't given full citations, but they would hopefully be a place to dig further if people wanted to. Sorry it took so long! Fulleraaron (talk) 14:22, 5 May 2013 (BST)
I have just added a link to the John Hunter Clinic for sexual health, only to be told that the website for this perfectly legitimate NHS facility is blacklisted! Why do I bother ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterDRG (talk • contribs) 18:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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