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I just pulled the discussion of "grandfathering" in the Atlanta billboard case. While grandfathering has some tangential relevance here, it is a general topic well covered in other discussions of the law. The text came across as a distraction in this discussion of zoning. (Of course, it didn't help that the example used language such as "eyesore" - pretty clear that this would be very hard example to use and still stick to our [[NPOV]] policy. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 15:35, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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Zoning is patricuarly susceptable to corruption. Plus most laws require a person to be on another's property, public property, or interfering with another person to be invoked. Thus enforcement of z laws should be approached with great discretion to avoid violation of the sanctity of home. But z enforcers are often the lowest of the low, who would want to be a z enforcer, entering upon citizens proprety if they had another choice? yet they have police powers! There are laws limiting the height of hedges to 4.5 feet where thousands of properties have 12 footers, yet z enforcers have no problem giving first "offense" tickets for $250, subsequently they go to $500/day! Trees with limbs less than 7feet are illegal ( even in one's backyard ) yet palms grow through a phase where this is impossible. I have had tickets for too tall grass ( I HAVE VITUALLY NONE ), for parking a commercial vehicle ( a moving van, it's illegal to have lunch while loading, unless lunch last less than 30minutes! $500 fine ) and "storing" the car I drive ( new, ten day old tag, $500 ), charged for violations which the DCA had previously overturned ( eventually $12,000 in fines), and denied first time extensions of "administrative hearing" for " urgent health care" etc & etc! The laws are neither criminal nor civil, sort of a twilight zoning, and the game is rigged. It is easy for enforcers acting under color of law to step over it and become criminal organizations, especially when there is pressure to raise revenue, but how can one prevent them from engaging in this destruction civilization ?. Incidently, I live in Miami, where most civil "servants" are not born American, perhaps things are different elsewhere, but here the tempation to abuse law is too great for the minions of the city to resist. And if they force the old and infirm out, they can raise the tax base on the housing based on the selling price. If you would care to discuss issues relating to this topic please click my link. ta Wblakesx[[User:Wblakesx|Wblakesx]] 00:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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:Can't speak specifically for Miami, but most of the above concerns do not seem to necessarily be the result of zoning law - rather they would seem to be more related to CCR and other localized regulations. The whole Zoning article strikes me as POV against zoning, ascribing a variety of ills to zoning laws; yet I wonder if those that disagree so strongly with zoning would welcome sex shops in residential areas, rehab and half way houses next to schools, and the like - which zoning protects against. [[User:Voideater|Voideater]] 21:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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==Criticism==
I live in NY City and as you can imagine these z-enforcers are not working the headge patrol. There are a number of instutions that enforce a varity of zoning related issues, from land managment to air rights revocation. HUD makes shure that buildings zoned industrial do not rise in res. areas, enforce low income responsibilities on landlords forces develupers to comply with safty codes, etc. The fire department enforces fire safty building codes, and inspects to make shure the sprinklers and such work. There are elevator inspectors, health code inspectors, and innumerable other public goods provided by people in agencys that work to prevent disaster or just llousy living/working enviorments from taking root. There is even a department that makes certin that no historic buildings are demolished and in fact helps inshure they are properly maintatined. Miami aside NY would be sunk with out most of our Zoning laws, no need to impune the people doning mostly good work in most places because of some overzelous enforcement of silly local legislation. If the Zoning laws in your area are excedingly bad, you have leagal and civic recourse; if the court fails you go to your ellected official, they love that sort of thing, or run for local office.
This article needs a criticism section. I'll get right on it. - [[User:Phattonez|Phattonez]] ([[User talk:Phattonez|talk]]) 20:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


:It's good to see the {{alink|Criticism}} section. However, it's plagued by weasel words and unattributed opinions. I've tagged three of these with the <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki> template for attention. [[User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|yoyo]] ([[User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz|talk]]) 02:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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the link to the german wikipedia is wrong and should be changed. i don't know how it's done or i'd do it.
the wrong link goes to "raumplanung", which is spacial planning and which is done at the federal and provincial / state levels. the correct linkt must go to "bebauungsplanung" which is done at the local level. [[User:Sundar1|Sundar1]] 11:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


== Alphabetical Order for Country-specific Sections ==
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Hello everyone,<br/>
i figured it out! [[User:Sundar1|Sundar1]] 11:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I propose that we introduce country-specific zoning practices in alphabetical order. Currently, the order suggests a hierarchy in importance, when in reality, there is no hierarchy. Does anyone have any other suggestions for organization of zoning by country? [[User:Kmcconnel|Kmcconnel]] ([[User talk:Kmcconnel|talk]]) 23:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


:Countries that use zoning are now listed in alphabetical order, followed by countries that don't use zoning. That is why the United Kingdom is placed after the United States.[[User:Tdb36|Tdb36]] ([[User talk:Tdb36|talk]]) 10:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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Is this effectively what goes on in [[Sim City]] when you place "residential", "commercial" & "industrial" areas? Not being from a country where we have specific zoning laws it always seemed completely bizarre. But if it's akin to the way things are done in the US (where Maxis is based) it makes sense. Might be a good way to go about explaining how zoning works. [[User:82.13.83.244|82.13.83.244]] 15:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


==Types of Zoning from Zoning in the US==
:Roughly, yes; traffic patterns and income come from creating these "generator" pips. [[User:Voideater|Voideater]] 21:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The Zoning in the US page has a fairly large section on types of zoning. I'm thinking of integrating any material from that page that would be new into this page, and deleting it from that page. That would allow the US page to have more of a narrative flow and prevent information on zoning types from being scattered. Any thoughts? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JMMaok|JMMaok]] ([[User talk:JMMaok#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JMMaok|contribs]]) 02:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Added revised Types section. If anyone is interested in my process behind revising it, I'll keep my User page up for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JMMaok/Zoning [[User:JMMaok|JMMaok]] ([[User talk:JMMaok|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Criticism

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This article needs a criticism section. I'll get right on it. - Phattonez (talk) 20:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to see the § Criticism section. However, it's plagued by weasel words and unattributed opinions. I've tagged three of these with the {{who}} template for attention. yoyo (talk) 02:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical Order for Country-specific Sections

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Hello everyone,
I propose that we introduce country-specific zoning practices in alphabetical order. Currently, the order suggests a hierarchy in importance, when in reality, there is no hierarchy. Does anyone have any other suggestions for organization of zoning by country? Kmcconnel (talk) 23:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Countries that use zoning are now listed in alphabetical order, followed by countries that don't use zoning. That is why the United Kingdom is placed after the United States.Tdb36 (talk) 10:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Types of Zoning from Zoning in the US

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The Zoning in the US page has a fairly large section on types of zoning. I'm thinking of integrating any material from that page that would be new into this page, and deleting it from that page. That would allow the US page to have more of a narrative flow and prevent information on zoning types from being scattered. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMMaok (talk • contribs) 02:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added revised Types section. If anyone is interested in my process behind revising it, I'll keep my User page up for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JMMaok/Zoning JMMaok (talk) 18:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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