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== NEED LIST. ==
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Article needs estimated net worth of the twins. Heard they were up and above the billion dollar mark already, info like this should be added by a resourceful wikipedian in my opinion. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|58.178.74.40}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|58.178.74.40}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|58.178.74.40}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|14:40, 12 June 2007}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->
==Fashion Line==
The article mentions that the clothing line "Elizabeth & James" is named after their siblings. The article mentions a sister Elizabeth but not brother James (only Trent and Jake). Am I missing something or is that someone's middle name? It should probably be clarified if possible.


Nowhere near a billion. Forbes say $100 million - don't know if that is combined or each though.
'''"Trent" goes by his middle name, his real name is James''' <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|87.194.113.10}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|87.194.113.10}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|87.194.113.10}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|20:08:34, August 19, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_lander.html <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.194.113.10|87.194.113.10]] ([[User talk:87.194.113.10|talk]]) 20:57, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Crediting on Full House ==
==Scientology==
They are widely reported to be Scientologists. Surely some mention of their cult involvment should be made. [[User:Simon123|simonthebold]] 15:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


the use of 'Mary Kate Ashley Olsen' was supposed to give the illusion of them being one person? The way it came off to me (with a line break after Kate) was that they were two people with different last names.. >.> <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|75.72.21.221}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|75.72.21.221}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|75.72.21.221}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|03:46, 8 July 2007}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->
This is untrue. Both were raised Christian, though what sect is undetermined (thought to be Episcopalian, as their high school, Campbell Hall, was episcopalian run, but also rumored to be Catholic.) Neither have shown any evidence of prescribing to any "pop" religious movement, and neither have ever discussed their religion or political beliefs publicly, and especially not in any way that would insinuate their involvement in scientology or any other cult-like religion.


They were credited as "Mary Kate Ashley Olsen" for the first 3 seasons of the show, to avoid confusion. Afterwards it became "Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. To help differentiate, MK did most of the comedic scenes, whereas Ashley did more of the somber and/or emotional scenes. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Malsk|Malsk]] ([[User talk:Malsk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malsk|contribs]]) 09:32, 17 July 2007</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->
==seperate pages?==
Also on the page it says Ashley would cry more than Mary-Kate when she was brought on set in the first year of the show and that is true. The Olsen twins themselves admitted to this is a interview.
Maybe now they are older they need seperate pages? as they may start working seperatly.


== Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022 ==
Agreed. MK has now had parts in Working Girl (though her scene was cut and she was only visible in the background) and in the upcoming season of Weeds.


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yeah they totally need to be separated
Change The twins' parents divorced in 1995 to The twins' parents divorced in 1996 [[Special:Contributions/12.235.126.200|12.235.126.200]] ([[User talk:12.235.126.200|talk]]) 19:40, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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== Merge individual articles into the twins article ==
I second that, there is no longer any reason for them to be together. [[User:Galaxydog2000|Galaxydog2000]] 15:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


I'm proposing to merge [[Mary-Kate Olsen]] and [[Ashley Olsen]] into [[Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen]] per [[WP:OVERLAP]]. I'm not exaggerating when I say the articles are ''word-for-word'' duplicative across much of the articles.
== Identical or fraternal? ==


Example 1:
Previously the wikipedia article said they were fraternal twins, and cited this article: [http://www.people.com/people/ashley_olsen/0,,,00.html]. Of course only a genetic test can be definitive, but you can tell "just by looking at them" that they are identical. The meaning of the factoid in the article was clearly not "they do not have identical genotypes," but rather "they have minor variations in the phenotypic expression of their genotype." Genotypically identical twins having variation in height, beauty marks, and handedness is all very normal. If there is a better source than that misleading article, feel free to provide it.


Ashley's article:
I recall that the twins themselves claim to be fraternal, but there doesn't seem to be any convincing reason to take their word for it. If you insist on mentioning their claim without some kind of definitive source for its factuality, it might be most accurate to change the wording to something like: "Though they appear to be [[identical twins]] and only have minor variations in appearance completely within the norm for people of identical genotypes, the twins themselves claim to be fraternal."
{{tqb|Ashley Fuller Olsen was born on June 13, 1986, in Sherman Oaks, California. She is the daughter of Jarnette "Jarnie" Olsen (née Jones; b. 1954), a personal manager, and David "Dave" Olsen, a real estate developer and mortgage banker. Along with her twin, Mary-Kate, they have an older brother Trent, a younger sister and actress Elizabeth, and younger half-siblings Taylor and Jake (from their father's second marriage). Olsen's parents divorced in 1996. Their father has Norwegian ancestry while their mother is of French, German and Italian ancestry.
i have come across i believe two twin experts who opine mk and a are identicals. raeanna levenson rules the world .
Olsen attended the Campbell Hall School in Los Angeles. After graduating from Campbell Hall in 2004, she and Mary-Kate went on to attend New York University's Gallatin School of Individualized Study.}}


Mary-Kate's article:
They are fraternal they got DNA tested 4 times.
{{tqb|Mary-Kate Olsen was born on June 13, 1986, in Sherman Oaks, California. She is the daughter of Jarnette "Jarnie" (née Jones; b. 1954), a personal manager, and David "Dave" Olsen, a real estate developer and mortgage banker. Along with her twin Ashley, she has an older brother Trent, a younger sister and actress Elizabeth, and two half-siblings Taylor and Jake (from her father's second marriage). Olsen's parents divorced in 1996. The twins and their siblings have Norwegian ancestry while their mother is of French, German and Italian ancestry.
:::How can they be identical when one is shorter than the other? LOL!― [[User:Why sigh, cutie pie?|LADY GALAXY ★彡]] <sup>[[User talk:Why sigh, cutie pie?|Refill</sup>]]<sup>/</sup><sup>[[Ricers|lol</sup>]] 00:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Olsen attended the Campbell Hall School in Los Angeles. After graduating from Campbell Hall in 2004, Olsen and her twin sister went on to attend the Gallatin School of Individualized Study at New York University.}}


Example 2:
::::I dont know? Could it POSSIBLY be the fact that diet, drug use and lifestyle plays a HUGE factor in a persons growth? Oh no, couldn't be that, that makes too much darn sense.[[User:64.230.7.4|64.230.7.4]] 00:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


Ashley's article:
They have said... and are OBVIOUSLY... fraternal. I can tell them apart... they looked very identical at a younger age, but at this point, they are far from identical... I question whether this should be considered a reasonable question. At a younger age, they could be distinguished by a birthmark that Ashley had and MK did not... they were strangely mirror image as MK is left handed and Ash is right... but they have always had slightly different face and eye shapes and they are clearly not identical. Also, MK is shorter, and were they not fraternal they would be the same height.
{{tqb|Following a high volume of public interest in their fashion choices, Mary-Kate and Ashley collaborated on a series of fashion lines available to the public. They released clothing in Walmart stores across America for girls ages 4 to 14, as well as a beauty line called Mary-Kate and Ashley: Real Fashion for Real Girls.

In 2004, they made news by signing a pledge to allow all the workers that sew their line of clothing in Bangladesh full maternity leave. The National Labor Committee, which organized the pledge, later praised the twins for their commitment to worker rights.}}
It is kind hard to say what they are. I believe that they do. But you look at them closely, they aren't identical. They were only identical when they were younger, but now that they are older they don't look identical. You can actually tell them apart now.

::As the first poster said, perhaps in slightly technical language, the term "identical twins" is a medical one and does not imply a ''completely'' identical appearance. "Identical" twins can have slight variations in appearance, due mainly to environmental factors, that obviously increase over time, as the environment has more time to act on them. Also factors such as weight, that has been an issue with the Olsens lately, and hair style and color, that can obviously be changed at will, can drastically alter a person's appearance, so that "identical" twins can appear significantly different. Continuing to use reference "1" as proof that the Olsens are not "identical twins" is a mistake. If there is a reference to their having been genetically tested, it should be provided instead. --[[User:Gsapient|Gsapient]] 06:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)





== My name is Bond, Twin Bond. ==

The Olsen girls will be Bond' chicks for the next Agent 007 movie, this is widely reported in the press. They got it into the contract there will be no nudity. This should go into the article. [[User:81.0.68.145|81.0.68.145]] 21:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:I find that gross. Theyre too young looking. And its not widely reported, it mentioned a few places as a rumor.
e.g. "In May, the twins were rumored to have been offered parts as the first twin Bond girls opposite Daniel Craig in the next film. No one's been able to confirm that story." http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0&fp=467787cace9ad0ae&ei=kjx3Rr-LO4OuoALu8_Qp&url=http%3A//www.post-gazette.com/pg/07164/793502-42.stm&cid=0

This is untrue.

== NEED LIST. ==

Article needs estimated net worth of the twins. Heard they were up and above the billion dollar mark already, info like this should be added by a resourceful wikipedian in my opinion.

Nowhere near a billion. Forbes say $100 million - don't know if that is combined or each though.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_lander.html <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.194.113.10|87.194.113.10]] ([[User talk:87.194.113.10|talk]]) 20:57, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Crediting on Full House ==


Mary-Kate's article:
the use of 'Mary Kate Ashley Olsen' was supposed to give the illusion of them being one person? The way it came off to me (with a line break after Kate) was that they were two people with different last names.. >.>
{{tqb|Following a high volume of public interest in their fashion choices, the Olsen twins began work in collaboration on a string of fashion lines available to the public. Starting as young girls, they started a clothing line in Wal-Mart stores across America for girls ages 4 to 14 as well as a beauty line called "Mary-Kate and Ashley: Real fashion for real girls".[better source needed]
In 2004, they made news by signing a pledge to allow all the workers that sew their line of clothing in Bangladesh full maternity leave. The National Labor Committee, which organized the pledge, later praised the twins for their commitment to worker rights.}}


These are just samples. Sources overwhelmingly discuss the pair together, and that is justified. The twins have done just about everything together, even the awards they received. It serves the readers better to consolidate this information into one (1) article than keep separated as three (3) separate articles with massive overlap. The instances where they did things separately is an ''exception'', and we can still accomodate for that in a combined article when its needed (e.g. Personal Life subsections, Mary-Kate's equestrian career). There is no guideline or policy that states we need separate articles just because they are separate people. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 19:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
They were credited as "Mary Kate Ashley Olsen" for the first 3 seasons of the show, to avoid confusion. Afterwards it became "Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. To help differentiate, MK did most of the comedic scenes, whereas Ashley did more of the somber and/or emotional scenes.
:I agree that there is extreme overlap in the articles, but that was probably done by editors copying sections to the multiple articles unnecessarily. I feel they are both notable on their own and if some trimming adjusting needs to be done that's another discussion. Either way I'm '''opposed''' the merger or removal of the individual articles. [[User:WikiVirusC|<b style="color:#000080; font-family:Tahoma">WikiVirus</b>]]'''[[Special:contributions/WikiVirusC|<u style="font-family: Tahoma">C</u>]]'''[[User talk:WikiVirusC|<b style="color:#008000">''<sup>(talk)</sup>''</b>]] 19:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', while there is a lot of overlap they have separate acting credits, relationships, roles on the Row, etc. --[[User:Shivertimbers433|Shivertimbers433]] ([[User talk:Shivertimbers433|talk]]) 23:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
::OK I have withdrawn the proposal. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 22:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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NEED LIST.

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Article needs estimated net worth of the twins. Heard they were up and above the billion dollar mark already, info like this should be added by a resourceful wikipedian in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.74.40 (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2007

Nowhere near a billion. Forbes say $100 million - don't know if that is combined or each though. http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_lander.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.113.10 (talk) 20:57, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Crediting on Full House

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the use of 'Mary Kate Ashley Olsen' was supposed to give the illusion of them being one person? The way it came off to me (with a line break after Kate) was that they were two people with different last names.. >.> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 03:46, 8 July 2007

They were credited as "Mary Kate Ashley Olsen" for the first 3 seasons of the show, to avoid confusion. Afterwards it became "Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. To help differentiate, MK did most of the comedic scenes, whereas Ashley did more of the somber and/or emotional scenes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malsk (talk • contribs) 09:32, 17 July 2007 Also on the page it says Ashley would cry more than Mary-Kate when she was brought on set in the first year of the show and that is true. The Olsen twins themselves admitted to this is a interview.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

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Change The twins' parents divorced in 1995 to The twins' parents divorced in 1996 12.235.126.200 (talk) 19:40, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge individual articles into the twins article

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I'm proposing to merge Mary-Kate Olsen and Ashley Olsen into Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen per WP:OVERLAP. I'm not exaggerating when I say the articles are word-for-word duplicative across much of the articles.

Example 1:

Ashley's article:

Ashley Fuller Olsen was born on June 13, 1986, in Sherman Oaks, California. She is the daughter of Jarnette "Jarnie" Olsen (née Jones; b. 1954), a personal manager, and David "Dave" Olsen, a real estate developer and mortgage banker. Along with her twin, Mary-Kate, they have an older brother Trent, a younger sister and actress Elizabeth, and younger half-siblings Taylor and Jake (from their father's second marriage). Olsen's parents divorced in 1996. Their father has Norwegian ancestry while their mother is of French, German and Italian ancestry. Olsen attended the Campbell Hall School in Los Angeles. After graduating from Campbell Hall in 2004, she and Mary-Kate went on to attend New York University's Gallatin School of Individualized Study.

Mary-Kate's article:

Mary-Kate Olsen was born on June 13, 1986, in Sherman Oaks, California. She is the daughter of Jarnette "Jarnie" (née Jones; b. 1954), a personal manager, and David "Dave" Olsen, a real estate developer and mortgage banker. Along with her twin Ashley, she has an older brother Trent, a younger sister and actress Elizabeth, and two half-siblings Taylor and Jake (from her father's second marriage). Olsen's parents divorced in 1996. The twins and their siblings have Norwegian ancestry while their mother is of French, German and Italian ancestry. Olsen attended the Campbell Hall School in Los Angeles. After graduating from Campbell Hall in 2004, Olsen and her twin sister went on to attend the Gallatin School of Individualized Study at New York University.

Example 2:

Ashley's article:

Following a high volume of public interest in their fashion choices, Mary-Kate and Ashley collaborated on a series of fashion lines available to the public. They released clothing in Walmart stores across America for girls ages 4 to 14, as well as a beauty line called Mary-Kate and Ashley: Real Fashion for Real Girls. In 2004, they made news by signing a pledge to allow all the workers that sew their line of clothing in Bangladesh full maternity leave. The National Labor Committee, which organized the pledge, later praised the twins for their commitment to worker rights.

Mary-Kate's article:

Following a high volume of public interest in their fashion choices, the Olsen twins began work in collaboration on a string of fashion lines available to the public. Starting as young girls, they started a clothing line in Wal-Mart stores across America for girls ages 4 to 14 as well as a beauty line called "Mary-Kate and Ashley: Real fashion for real girls".[better source needed] In 2004, they made news by signing a pledge to allow all the workers that sew their line of clothing in Bangladesh full maternity leave. The National Labor Committee, which organized the pledge, later praised the twins for their commitment to worker rights.

These are just samples. Sources overwhelmingly discuss the pair together, and that is justified. The twins have done just about everything together, even the awards they received. It serves the readers better to consolidate this information into one (1) article than keep separated as three (3) separate articles with massive overlap. The instances where they did things separately is an exception, and we can still accomodate for that in a combined article when its needed (e.g. Personal Life subsections, Mary-Kate's equestrian career). There is no guideline or policy that states we need separate articles just because they are separate people. TarkusABtalk/contrib 19:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there is extreme overlap in the articles, but that was probably done by editors copying sections to the multiple articles unnecessarily. I feel they are both notable on their own and if some trimming adjusting needs to be done that's another discussion. Either way I'm opposed the merger or removal of the individual articles. WikiVirusC(talk) 19:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK I have withdrawn the proposal. TarkusABtalk/contrib 22:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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