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== Passenger itinerary ==
== Neutrality tag ==
[http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9500000109468 This] is claiming to be a reliable source as a passenger list. First off I'm uneasy about placing this here until families etc are notified, secondly, is it reliable? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] 18:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


I've added a {{tl|NPOV}} tag and this is why:
:It looks reliable, but I'm not positive. I would hold off posting it until we can get someone who speaks the language to check it out properly. [[User:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">'''Blood Red Sandman'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Contribs)</font>]]</sup> 19:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
*Blocked editor {{User|InvestigateUdom }} has created a large amount of this article - clearly biased, and now blocked, the content should be verified and cited.
*A lot of the "Recovery" section is unreferenced. This isn't [[WP:BLP]] but it's important that we cite things that relate to incidents such as this.
*It needs work because it seems to be written as if it's still an ongoing issue, it happened four years ago.
*Most of the controversial issues link to a website called "investigateudom.com" which clearly has a conflict of interest.
[[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


::Agreed, i removed some stuff a while ago that wasnt referenced. Anything referenced on investigateudom.com should be discounted as it isnt a reliable source. --[[User:JetBlast|JetBlast]] ([[User talk:JetBlast|talk]]) 22:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm sure the passenger manifest is reliable because that's an official copy prepared by the airlines. What's important is that it doesn't indicate survivors and dead passengers, so I think it can be put up as only a reference to who's on board. [[User:Bonchygeez|Bonchygeez]] 20:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


I removed the tag as the issues above have been addressed. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.163.59|86.4.163.59]] ([[User talk:86.4.163.59|talk]]) 14:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
== Number of Dutch involved ==


== External links modified ==
I don't want to screw up the referencing of the number of nationalities involved, but there were two Dutch people on the plane, one man and one woman. This has been confirmed by the Thai Minister for Health. See {{cite news|url=http://www.nrc.nl/buitenland/article769204.ece/Twee_Nederlanders_gewond_bij_vliegramp_Thailand|title=Twee Nederlanders gewond bij vliegramp Thailand|publisher=[[NRC Handelsblad]]|date=[[2007-09-16]]|accessdate=2007-09-16}}. How should this information be processed? Splitting the nationalities by bullets? [[Special:Contributions/Aecis|<font color="blue">A</font>]][[User:Aecis|<font color="green">ecis</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Aecis|Brievenbus]]</sup> 20:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
:Splitting into nationalities into bullets would good. But for now, let's wait for the finalised list of nationalities before posting. [[User:Bonchygeez|Bonchygeez]] 21:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::It's probably a good way of maintaining the accuracy of the information in the short term, while it's changing. After it stabilises, prose is a much better way of presenting information in an article. -- [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]] [[User talk:Flyguy649|<sup>talk]]</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Flyguy649|<sub>contribs]]</sub> 12:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


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== Runway discrepancy ==
== How many pilots were there ==


This sections starts with an uncited statement "According to ICAO standards, the runway at an international airport must be at least 150 meters wide". The main runways at JFK, LAX, SFO are all 61m wide, and those at O'Hare just 46m, so that seems doubtful. Can someone provide a reference for what the true minimum is. [[Special:Contributions/80.2.106.75|80.2.106.75]] ([[User talk:80.2.106.75|talk]]) 13:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I've been reading through news reports and there seems to be only mention of one pilot, Captain Airef, a 56-year-old Indonesian, at the controls of the flight. I really don't think there's only one pilot. Anyone knows? [[User:Bonchygeez|Bonchygeez]] 02:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


== Pilots ==
: As usual for a MD-80, there were two pilots: the captain, who was at the controls and thus primarily responsible, and a first officer. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 02:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


It talks a lot about what the pilots did and didn't do, but it never mentions anywhere whether they were among the dead. I assume they were killed, but it would be nice if it confirmed this in the article. I'm also a bit skeptical about all these highly biased claims against the airline. They may be completely or partially true, but this sort of attack also seems to be considered normal industrial warfare in the region; if you can use the press, innuendo and false claims backed up by "documents" you can do great damage to a competitor. They fully recognize how much everyone loves scandal, assigning blame and jumping onto bandwagons. Makes our media scandal orgies in the US seem pretty tame in comparison. Even if it were all perfectly true, the fact that the real motivation of 2/3rds of the people in the anti-airline group is that they are hoping by making the airline responsible they can maybe make some big money...either in a courtroom once the public opinion is whipped up enough, or more likely the instigators hope to be bribed to shut up.
== Language ==
I may be wrong, but I've heard of similar cases before.


[[Special:Contributions/64.223.110.149|64.223.110.149]] ([[User talk:64.223.110.149|talk]]) 08:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
"Phuket" was never a good transliteration of the Thai word. However, that's got to be the worst phonetic transliteration I have ever seen.

"Poo-get" is much, much closer. "poock-eht" is bad because: firstly you separate the two syllables in the wrong place; I can't imagine what value the c adds and finally the "gor gai" character should give a 'g' sound in this case. And yes I am thinking of how non-native English speakers would pronounce this too.
== What do you think of the nationality chart I made? ==

<table class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center;"><tr><th>Nationality</th><th>Passengers</th><th>Crew</th><th>Dead</th><th>Total</th></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Thailand}}</td><td>45</td><td>7</td><td>42</td><td>52</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|United Kingdom}}</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>8</td><td>10</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Israel}}</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>8</td><td>10</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|France}}</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>9</td><td>10</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|United States}}</td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>5</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Germany}}</td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>5</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Ireland}}</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Sweden}}</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Iran}}</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Australia}}</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Canada}}</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Netherlands}}</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Austria}}</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left;">{{flag|Italy}}</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr class="sortbottom"><td>'''Total'''</td><td>'''123'''</td><td>'''7'''</td><td>'''89'''</td><td>'''130'''</td></tr></table>

[[Special:Contributions/73.87.74.115|73.87.74.115]] ([[User talk:73.87.74.115|talk]]) 22:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:I see no sources to support it.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 15:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
::I think his sources are the ones under the Survivors and Fatalities section which indicates how many people of said nationality died. He did the math to fill out the rest of the other boxes. I don't think you need to cite process of elimination. [[User:Tntad|Tntad]] ([[User talk:Tntad|talk]]) 00:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree with [[User:Tntad|Tntad]], doing your own math is original research. I could make my own chart without the original research. In addition, the article did not mention any Iranians on board. You better double-check the article again. [[User:Tigerdude9|Tigerdude9]] ([[User talk:Tigerdude9|talk]]) 14:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
<ref>{{Cite news| url = http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7000919.stm| title = Thai airport wind alert 'faulty'| work= [[BBC]]| date = 2007-09-18| accessdate = 2007-09-19}}</ref>
<ref>{{Cite news| url = http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/09/18/thailand-plane.html| title = Wind detection systems down during deadly Thai crash| work= [[Canadian Broadcasting Corporation]]| date = 2007-09-18| accessdate = 2007-09-23
}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news| url = http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/09/23/thailand-canadian.html| title = Vancouver woman confirmed dead in Thai plane crash| work= Canadian Broadcasting Corporation| date = 2007-09-23| accessdate = 2007-09-29}}</ref>
<ref>{{Cite news| url = http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/thailand.crash/index.html?eref=edition_asia|title=Survivors recount Thai jet crash|work=[[CNN]]|date=2007-09-18| accessdate = 2007-09-27}}</ref>
<ref>{{Cite news| url = http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411425564&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull| title = Seventh Phuket crash victim identified| work = [[The Jerusalem Post]]| date = 2007-09-19| accessdate = 2007-09-20}}{{Dead link|date=September 2018 |bot=InternetArchiveBot |fix-attempted=yes }}</ref>
<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.ftd.de/politik/international/:Deutsche%20Absturz%20Phuket/254402.html | title = Deutsche nach Absturz auf Phuket vermisst | publisher = FTD | date = 19. September 2007 | accessdate =2011-01-27 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20070929090214/http://www.ftd.de/politik/international/:Deutsche%20Absturz%20Phuket/254402.html|archivedate=2007-09-29}}</ref>

Are they legit? [[User:TrueLightningStriker|TrueLightningStriker]] ([[User talk:TrueLightningStriker|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:[[User:TrueLightningStriker|TrueLightningStriker]] I wouldn't say that because [[Special:Contributions/73.87.74.115|73.87.74.115]] did their own math which is considered original research. OR is not allowed. [[User:Tigerdude9|Tigerdude9]] ([[User talk:Tigerdude9|talk]]) 13:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 09:30, 12 February 2024

Neutrality tag

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I've added a {{NPOV}} tag and this is why:

  • Blocked editor InvestigateUdom (talk · contribs) has created a large amount of this article - clearly biased, and now blocked, the content should be verified and cited.
  • A lot of the "Recovery" section is unreferenced. This isn't WP:BLP but it's important that we cite things that relate to incidents such as this.
  • It needs work because it seems to be written as if it's still an ongoing issue, it happened four years ago.
  • Most of the controversial issues link to a website called "investigateudom.com" which clearly has a conflict of interest.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, i removed some stuff a while ago that wasnt referenced. Anything referenced on investigateudom.com should be discounted as it isnt a reliable source. --JetBlast (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the tag as the issues above have been addressed. 86.4.163.59 (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Runway discrepancy

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This sections starts with an uncited statement "According to ICAO standards, the runway at an international airport must be at least 150 meters wide". The main runways at JFK, LAX, SFO are all 61m wide, and those at O'Hare just 46m, so that seems doubtful. Can someone provide a reference for what the true minimum is. 80.2.106.75 (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pilots

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It talks a lot about what the pilots did and didn't do, but it never mentions anywhere whether they were among the dead. I assume they were killed, but it would be nice if it confirmed this in the article. I'm also a bit skeptical about all these highly biased claims against the airline. They may be completely or partially true, but this sort of attack also seems to be considered normal industrial warfare in the region; if you can use the press, innuendo and false claims backed up by "documents" you can do great damage to a competitor. They fully recognize how much everyone loves scandal, assigning blame and jumping onto bandwagons. Makes our media scandal orgies in the US seem pretty tame in comparison. Even if it were all perfectly true, the fact that the real motivation of 2/3rds of the people in the anti-airline group is that they are hoping by making the airline responsible they can maybe make some big money...either in a courtroom once the public opinion is whipped up enough, or more likely the instigators hope to be bribed to shut up. I may be wrong, but I've heard of similar cases before.

64.223.110.149 (talk) 08:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of the nationality chart I made?

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NationalityPassengersCrewDeadTotal
 Thailand4574252
 United Kingdom100810
 Israel100810
 France100910
 United States5055
 Germany5015
 Ireland4014
 Sweden4024
 Iran3003
 Australia2012
 Canada2012
 Netherlands2002
 Austria1001
 Italy1001
Total123789130

73.87.74.115 (talk) 22:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see no sources to support it.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think his sources are the ones under the Survivors and Fatalities section which indicates how many people of said nationality died. He did the math to fill out the rest of the other boxes. I don't think you need to cite process of elimination. Tntad (talk) 00:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Tntad, doing your own math is original research. I could make my own chart without the original research. In addition, the article did not mention any Iranians on board. You better double-check the article again. Tigerdude9 (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Are they legit? TrueLightningStriker (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TrueLightningStriker I wouldn't say that because 73.87.74.115 did their own math which is considered original research. OR is not allowed. Tigerdude9 (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Thai airport wind alert 'faulty'". BBC. 2007-09-18. Retrieved 2007-09-19.
  2. ^ "Wind detection systems down during deadly Thai crash". Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. 2007-09-18. Retrieved 2007-09-23.
  3. ^ "Vancouver woman confirmed dead in Thai plane crash". Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. 2007-09-23. Retrieved 2007-09-29.
  4. ^ "Survivors recount Thai jet crash". CNN. 2007-09-18. Retrieved 2007-09-27.
  5. ^ "Seventh Phuket crash victim identified". The Jerusalem Post. 2007-09-19. Retrieved 2007-09-20.[permanent dead link‍]
  6. ^ "Deutsche nach Absturz auf Phuket vermisst". FTD. 19. September 2007. Archived from the original on 2007-09-29. Retrieved 2011-01-27. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
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