Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Podgorski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was, after reading through all the nonhelpful material to find the opinions of Wikipedians, was delete. GRBerry (talk) 03:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Michael Podgorski

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User:Mpodd6 is requesting that this article be deleted, because he claims to be the subject and does not wish to have an article about him. Typically, such requests are not allowed if the subject is notable, but the subject is described as an amateur boxer and the article has no sources to establish notability, so I figured a discussion would be appropriate in this case. This is pretty much just procedural as User:Mpodd6 doesn't have a grasp of deletion policy yet; I'm not submitting an opinion. Leebo ^T/C 20:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The text near the bottom of the page seems to be lifted from http://mikey.esmartdesign.com/index.htm . I can't find a Terms of Service on that site, but copyright protection exists by default.--Mumia-w-18 20:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Since that page is already listed as an external link, it's possible that the main text of the article could be determined viable while the stastical info is removed. Leebo ^T/C 20:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

i don't know what you guys are talking about but i am michael podgorski and i just want this entire article to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.79.212.170 (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Reply Please note that no one owns articles on Wikipedia, so no one has absolute control over them. This includes subjects and their Wikipedia articles. Articles cannot be removed solely because the subject desires their removal. The article must be found to be unacceptable for inclusion in Wikipedia. I believe you may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, so that's why I've nominated the article for deletion, not because you requested it. Leebo ^T/C 21:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

i don't care what reason you have for deleting it. the whole article is false, i am michael podgorski and i don't want it up anymore. what is with you people, everyone is on a power trip.

Reply, I'm sorry you see it as a "power trip" but since we have no way of verifying the identity of users we cannot take such requests at face value. The article will likely be deleted and I'm helping you, so please allow the deletion policy to play out. Leebo ^T/C 21:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

ok ok ok, it just seemed like you were really making i point to tell me that you weren't nominating it because i requested it. i don't know all the rules of this site but all i know is the whole article is b.s. i'm not even a boxer i sell tv's at best buy. i can verify i'm mike podgorski just come by best buy on harlem i'll get you a great deal on a new sony plasma tv and i'll show you my id while you buy it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply Have you considered the possibility of someone having the same name who is a boxer? Leebo ^T/C 21:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

the picture the link sends you to is a picture of me but all the stuff written is false, i just want it off of here because all my friends are looking at it and teasing me and it's really embarrasing and i am trying to hook up with this girl MEGAN and if she see's this she won't go out with me and that will CRUSH me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Podgorski&diff=171046384&oldid=171045349 This kid sells TV's at BEST BUY. I bought one from him last week. After he sold it to me and old lady had her purse stolen. Mike found the guy and knocked him out. He looked like a boxer to me but that can't be because i bought a TV from him 2 minutes earlyer

Reply We can't do anything about the site with that picture. Are you implying that the Matthew Podgorski and Pete Podgorski are fabricated/about your family? Also, you do realize that this shouldn't come as a surprise; you edited the article months ago]. Leebo ^T/C 21:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You also made this edit to Pete Podgorski. Why is that? Deor 21:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

you guys are cock blocker Megan loved this guy now she thinks he is a boxer and that is not true

it's not a surprise, it's a surprise that you have a problem with me taking down a page about me that is b.s. to begin with. you want a tv or not?

listen to me you boneheads. i am michael podgorski, yes i edited pete podgorski's page, is that a crime? what i am telling you is that MY page is not true, and i want it down, is this clear or not?

• Reply, so what you're trying to say is that you vandalized Wikipedia by fabricating a series of articles and now you want help getting rid of them because their intended purpose is backfiring? The discussion ends in 5 days, I'm done helping here. Leebo ^T/C 21:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

i never "vandalised" anything, i was trying to make peace with the article but people kept messing with it. i just want the thing down, i told you i'd hook you up with a nice tv and your getting mean. do you wanna have a drink later, i'm free? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Reply Like I said, it'll come down at the end of the discussion in 5 days. The creation of bogus articles and subsequent request for them to be removed is a waste of everone's time, so I'm done discussing it. Leebo ^T/C 21:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

you are right, lets just call it a truce. i just need this article down if it's not down it will ruin my life. i need to get some action if you know what i mean, and i have a feeling my boss is checking wikipedia and if he see's that i'm history, come on man be a pal help me out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Reply I don't see how I owe you a favor here. If I delete the article out of process, I'm the one responsible for abusing my adminitrative tools and have to answer to that. You on the other hand get off with no repercussions for wasting my time. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned. Leebo ^T/C 21:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

bro, you and me are the same, we're the SAME. do we not bleed when we get cut, do we not tire when we overwork. you don't owe me nothing, but you owe it to yourself. on your deathbed your gonna be wishing you helped out your fellow man a little more, and i'm a fellow, man. i told you i'd hook you up with a new tv, just give me your email address and i'll email you the best buy catalog for tv's for this christmas. i don't forget a favor, ask anybody about mike from mulberry st. So in the end, was it worth it? Jesus Christ. How irreparably changed my life has become. It's always the last day of summer and I've been left out in the cold with no door to get back in. I'll grant you I've had more than my share of poignant moments. Life passes most people by while they're making grand plans for it. Throughout my lifetime, I've left pieces of my heart here and there. And now, there's almost not enough to stay alive. But I force a smile, knowing that my ambition far exceeded my talent. There are no more white horses or pretty ladies at my door. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.204.120.4 (talk • contribs)

• I'm confused. mpodd6, are you the person described in this article, or a different person with the same name? You edited Pete Podgorski last year, adding a sentence that described Michael Podgorski as an amateur boxer. Now you are saying that Michael Podgorski is not an amateur boxer. Which is the truth? Powers ^T 22:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • i am the person in this article, but there are many falsities within the article. people are editing it as well with more false information, therefore i would just like to have the entire article deleted. i am nobody, nobody cares if i exist...—Preceding unsigned comment added by mpodd6 (talk • contribs)
    • What in the article is inaccurate? Is this not your website? Powers ^T 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Even assuming that the article is factually correct (and the subject admits that the photo at the externally linked site, of someone engaged in a boxing match, is of him), no reliable sources to satisfy verifiability are evident. An amateur boxer who has fought only sporadically over a period of years doesn't seem notable enough for WP. Deor 22:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

exactly my point...thank you, take me off

everyone in wikipedia is acting like communists, they keep erasing my comments on what is supposed to be an open forum to discuss this topic

i guess that's what happens though, when people test the system they get silenced. nobody wants me to tell my side of the story, they just use their power and erase what i say, real fair.

Reply only abusive or irrelevant comments have been removed. Leebo ^T/C 22:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

no, it's not my website, it was created by someone else, that's my point.

i'm not erasing your comments, please don't erase mine. i just want this article down, it's false, yes i've made edits to it, but i didn't know how to erase it. now is the time. what is the big deal, i'm not famous, i'm not your kunta kinta anymore

hey leebo i thought you were done with this. just when i thought you were out they pull you back in.

• Please sign your comments. If that's not your web site, then this article isn't about you; it's about some other person with the same name as you. There's no need to get upset. Powers ^T 22:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

ok, i have been told to take my time and write a well-written explanation of what's going on here, so i will do so. the external link, the website is about me, but has not been written by me. the facts on that website are untrue, and they are the basis for the article on wikipedia. yes, i have made edits to it, but i didn't know how to delete it. i am not a significant person in the history of boxing, i was only an amateur boxer. nobody can verify anything about me, therefore i feel i should have my article deleted. and i'm not signing my comments because i don't know how to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you. Use ~~~~ to sign your posts. You've said your piece, but I don't think you can speed this along any faster by commenting further. I think it's likely the article will be deleted, because there's only the one source and it's not reliable. More than that we really cannot do, since the article is not derogatory. Powers ^T 22:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Appears to fail WP:NOTE, WP:BIO and WP:V. There would be no harm in snowballing this, I think. --Malcolmxl5 23:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per above. You could "blank" the entire article while the discussion is going on, and although someone could revert the edit to put the text back, I doubt that they would do so. Until it's deleted, prior versions can be read at any time. I don't normally recommend blanking an article, but in this case, nobody would miss it. Mandsford 01:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Um, the AfD notice on the article does say "the article must not be blanked … until the discussion is closed." Let's not encourage the newbies to ignore procedure; who knows where such an attitude might lead? Antinomianism—nay, anarchy—might become rife among visitors to our little encyclopedia. Deor 02:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I seem to have been sucked into this by Mpodd6 having made an error of posting the message below on my talk page as Anon user User:160.79.212.170.

i am mike podgorski and i erased my page because i do not want it up there anymore. how do i delete the entire entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.79.212.170 (talk) 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

However I had only reverted some vandalism by User:160.79.212.170 to the Rizzo (surname) article on the 18th of December 2006. Therefore this sparked my curiosity into action. On the same users talk page I noted that Admin DerHexer had left a message about vandalism on the Michael Podgorski article, so I took a look at his Talk page where I noted a similar type of entry, at the top of his page, but from Mpodd6:-

i don't know where else to post a message, but i want the page written about me deleted. you keep putting it back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I note in User:Mpodd6's contributions, on the 23rd of February, this edit to the article:- Addition of USA Flag Icon, which tends to indicate he was inputting information into the article at that time, as opposed to getting it deleted, immediately prior to that he placed a {{sprotected}} tag which was then removed by User:DumbBOT

As it appears User Mpodd6 is also Anon User:160.70.212.170 it should also be noted that not only was the article for deletion request made by him as User:160.70.212.170, but also the creation of the article, along with all these further edits to the article, plus three to the Pete Podgorski article:-

1. 22:07, 12 November 2007 - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Podgorski‎
2. 22:01, 12 November 2007 - Talk:Michael Podgorski‎ (top)
3. 22:00, 12 November 2007 - Talk:Michael Podgorski‎
4. 21:30, 12 November 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎ (←Blanked the page)
5. 18:16, 28 August 2007 - Michael Podgorski
6. 15:08, 9 May 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
7. 15:08, 9 May 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
8. 17:06, 8 May 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
9. 17:03, 8 May 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
10. 17:02, 8 May 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
11. 20:50, 18 April 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
12. 15:43, 10 April 2007 - Michael Podgorski‎
13. 15:42, 10 April 2007 - Michael Podgorski
14. 23:26, 2 January 2007 - Pete Podgorski‎
15. 23:25, 2 January 2007 - Pete Podgorski‎
16. 23:25, 2 January 2007 - Pete Podgorski‎
17. 22:58, 18 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎ (→See also)
18. 22:58, 18 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski
19. 22:35, 18 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎ (→Outside links)
20. 22:34, 18 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski
21. 21:21, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
22. 21:17, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
23. 21:12, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
24. 21:05, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
25. 21:03, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
26. 21:02, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
27. 21:02, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
28. 21:01, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
29. 21:00, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski‎
30. 20:49, 15 September 2006 - Michael Podgorski

There are also other edits to different articles for example he has added Michael Podgorski to the List of male boxers:-

1. 22:56, 18 September 2006 (hist) (diff) List of male boxers‎ (→P)
2. 22:56, 18 September 2006 (hist) (diff) List of male boxers‎ (→Q)
3. 22:55, 18 September 2006 (hist) (diff) List of male boxers‎ (→Q)

If the article has actually been created and edited by Michael Podgorski, then there appears to be a conflict of interest here and I recommend he reads the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest page.

I also note on this page several unsigned edits by Anon User:65.204.120.4, who seems to do a lot of vandalism entry edits, also has edits to the Michael Podgorski article so I suspect there is a touch of vandalism / hoax / sock puppetry going on here as well. EG:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Podgorski&diff=171046384&oldid=171045349 This kid sells TV's at BEST BUY. I bought one from him last week. After he sold it to me and old lady had her purse stolen. Mike found the guy and knocked him out. He looked like a boxer to me but that can't be because i bought a TV from him 2 minutes earlyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Podgorski&diff=next&oldid=171047558 you guys are cock blocker Megan loved this guy now she thinks he is a boxer and that is not true

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Podgorski&diff=next&oldid=171052436 Mike did you find that RAT, You know what to do when you find that rat don't you? (To which User:Mpodd6 added:-does my lipstick look alright, i said does my lipstick look alright? cause i'm getting f*cked, i wanna make sure my face looks alright)

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Podgorski&diff=next&oldid=171055195 So in the end, was it worth it? Jesus Christ. How irreparably changed my life has become. It's always the last day of summer and I've been left out in the cold with no door to get back in. I'll grant you I've had more than my share of poignant moments. Life passes most people by while they're making grand plans for it. Throughout my lifetime, I've left pieces of my heart here and there. And now, there's almost not enough to stay alive. But I force a smile, knowing that my ambition far exceeded my talent. There are no more white horses or pretty ladies at my door.

Perhaps all three users are the same person and a hoax has probably been set up here. However vandalism seems to be the purpose so I recommend that User:160.70.212.170, UserMpodd6, and User:65.204.120.4 be permanently blocked. Richard Harvey 12:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Your efforts in fully researching the history of these articles are appreciated, but I just wanted to note that IP addresses typically aren't blocked indefinitely, only because they tend to get recycled to other, innocent people at some point. User:65.204.120.4 happens to be blocked for 1 day because of the threatening comments he left in this discussion. Leebo ^T/C 13:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

you recommend i be permanently blocked? your an idiot, so basically because you "suspect" that i'm three different users, i should be blocked? that is completely unfair, i am not three different users, i am mpodd6 and there is one other one i posted with which is my ip address, that's it. all you editors for wikipedia act like tyrants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Richard may not be familiar with our blocking policy. We wouldn't block you for contributing with various IP addresses, since you weren't trying to conceal anything by doing so. The third IP address likely was not you, since your ability to post was not impeded by its being blocked. Leebo ^T/C 15:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

it wasn't me, that's a fact. anyways i don't know why this has become such a big discussion, it's one meaningless, false article that will not be missed. if you get rid of it i will hook you up with the new "4k" tv by sharp that is coming out in a few months, i get a 50% discount at best buy and i will get you the tv for cost. come on BRO hook me up and i'll hook you up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It only got this big because you did not explain the entire story from the beginning. It had to be slowly and painfully extracted. At this point, the discussion doesn't have to get any bigger. Come back in 4 days and the article will be gone. Also, please stop offering people things in return for excusing this mess; it's inappropriate and no one can actually follow up with you. Leebo ^T/C 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

no, it's not inappropriate, it's the american way. somehow that got lost along the way. people can follow up, i work at the best buy in norridge, illinois. it's in the harlem and irving plaza. come by, ask for mike and i'll hook you up with whatever you need. I remember an America where payoffs were custom, where tipping wasn't a measily 15%, where people like jimmy conway could thrive. I remember an America where politicians could get their buddies jobs and take bribes from truckers to provide them with licenses without fear of restitution. America has become a land of snitches and cowards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• NOTE User:Mpodd6's continued attempts to disrupt the AfD due to his displeasure with it have resulted in his being blocked indefinitely. He will not be able to rebut further comments, though this doesn't seem likely to alter the outcome of the discussion. Leebo ^T/C 16:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.