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There should be a section on the controversies throughout Al Gore's life. There was one if I could recall but somehow it got deleted. [[User:Mrld|Mrld]] ([[User talk:Mrld|talk]]) 17:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:See the topic [[Talk:Al Gore#Criticism|Criticism]] above. Short answer: Such sections are discoraged, the critique has been woven into the text instead. --[[User:KimDabelsteinPetersen|Kim D. Petersen]] ([[User talk:KimDabelsteinPetersen|talk]]) 17:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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::To maintain NPOV, criticism should always exist in an article. However it decreases the quality of an article to create a section devoted to it as [[User:KimDabelsteinPetersen|Kim D. Petersen]] noted. Thus criticism is in this article but is woven throughout rather than clustered together. |
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::On a related topic, [[Media Matters for America]] has discussed what it calls the "War against Gore" in the media. See: |
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::I was thinking that some of this could be added to a section or different sections, though I wanted to get feedback first before doing so. -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 22:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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-[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 22:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Just to add - [[Wikipedia:Criticism]] states, "In general, making separate sections with the title "Criticism" is discouraged. The main argument for this is that they are often a troll magnet" |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criticism#Criticism_in_a_.22Criticism.22_section |
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-[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 03:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Is it acceptable to have a scroll bar for the footnotes as a user has added to this article? I've never seen it used on any article before, even those with more references than this article, so I'm surprised to see it here. [[User:Gary King|Gary King]] ([[User talk:Gary King|talk]]) 16:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I don't know whether its acceptable or not - but its a pain when reading / using / verifying references. So in my opinion shouldn't be there --[[User:KimDabelsteinPetersen|Kim D. Petersen]] ([[User talk:KimDabelsteinPetersen|talk]]) 18:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::I believe the warning on top of {{tl|Scroll box}} pretty much answers your question. --[[User:Bobblehead|Bobblehead]] <sup>[[User talk:Bobblehead|(rants)]]</sup> 18:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Good catch! --[[User:KimDabelsteinPetersen|Kim D. Petersen]] ([[User talk:KimDabelsteinPetersen|talk]]) 19:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==fatuous== |
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"made the election one of several controversial Presidential elections in American history." What kind of fatuous statement is this? Either say "made the election one of the most controversial Presidential elections in American history" or if that is thought to be too bold, delete it altogether. [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 09:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC) |
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went to harvard college not harvard university <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.201.34.94|12.201.34.94]] ([[User talk:12.201.34.94|talk]]) 00:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== New section for environmental issues? == |
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The environmental issues section is becoming unwieldy. I would be interested in feedback concerning the creation of a subarticle on environmental issues similar to [[Al Gore's contributions to the Internet and technology]]. If other editors think that this is a good idea, we would need to discuss: |
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*A title for the article |
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*A basic structure for the article |
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*How the summary in the main article should read |
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Once this has been decided, I would be willing to create the article. |
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-[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 09:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'll wait another day or two and if there is no feedback, will create a new subarticle titled [[Al Gore's contributions to the environment]] which is based upon the existing article on the Internet and technology. If someone has a better idea for a title, please post it within the next day or two. Thanks, -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 00:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:: That title is inherently POV. Perhaps [[Al Gore and the environment]] or [[Al Gore's environmental activism]]. -- [[User:Zsero|Zsero]] ([[User talk:Zsero|talk]]) 07:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the suggestion. I think [[Al Gore and the environment]] is a good title, so unless I hear any other suggestions, I will use that. Any further feedback would be appreciated before I start working on this, probably tomorrow. Thanks, -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 09:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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The subarticle [[Al Gore and the environment]] is now active, though it could probably use some re-org and editing. The summary on the main page also could use some re-write and editing. -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 15:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== New title for Internet article == |
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== Request for comment: Al Gore == |
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I would like to propose changing the title for the article [[Al Gore's contributions to the Internet and technology]] to match the new subarticle [[Al Gore and the environment]]. My suggestion is [[Al Gore and information technology]] which is shorter and NPOV. |
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Feedback and other suggestions would be appreciated. -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 00:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC) |
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|result = Saving the community some time. There's no support for this other than a blocked IP. The information is well sourced and [[WP:DUE]]. Even though I'm involved, this is a [[WP:SNOW]] close. If someone disagrees please feel free to reopen. Thanks [[User:Nemov|Nemov]] ([[User talk:Nemov|talk]]) 18:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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: The page has been moved. -[[User:Classicfilms|Classicfilms]] ([[User talk:Classicfilms|talk]]) 23:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I am proposing that the paragraph pertaining to Gore's prior opposition to gay marriage be deleted. My rationale as to why I request the paragraph is deleted is explained above at the top of the [[#Semi protected edit request (3 February 2024]] section of this talk page. [[Special:Contributions/92.40.212.153|92.40.212.153]] ([[User talk:92.40.212.153|talk]]) 21:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:i found the information to be interesting and informative, not burdened by undue weight, and factually correct. |
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== Personal Life == |
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:have a wikipedia day, [[User:Augmented Seventh|Augmented Seventh]] ([[User talk:Augmented Seventh|talk]]) 22:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::That's not helpful to the statement at all. You can't just say all of those things without explaining ''WHY'' you find it {{tq|interesting and informative}}. [[Special:Contributions/92.40.212.157|92.40.212.157]] ([[User talk:92.40.212.157|talk]]) 09:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' removing the content in question. It is not [[WP:UNDUE|undue]]. It is [[WP:RS|reliably sourced]]. It is [[WP:V|verifiable]]. It is [[WP:NPOV|neutrally worded]]. As a reader, I would expect to see content like this, LGBT, abortion, guns, etc., this is standard biographical information for a politicians article to have.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:black"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#FF5F1F">''(talk)''</b>]] 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - (Brought here by WP:RFC/A) Being a notable politician his prior political positions held are worth keeping on the record. I do think that it does pass [[WP:10YT|The 10 Year test]]. |
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Al Gore's youngest daughter Sarah married according to a family spokeswoman. |
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:[[User:MaximusEditor|MaximusEditor]] ([[User talk:MaximusEditor|talk]]) 22:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Sarah Gore, 28, married (Taiwanese American) Bill Lee 36, a Los Angeles businessman, |
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*'''Oppose''' - {{TQ|Being a notable politician his prior political positions held are worth keeping on the record}} per MaximusEditor, the content is [[WP:DUE]] and neither especially contentious nor harmful to his reputation - he has probably made the same 'moral' journey as millions of Americans and others. No reason for removal is offered. [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 18:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The daughter of the former vice president and Democratic presidential nominee is a Harvard graduate and a medical student at the University of California, San Francisco. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.138.188.31|72.138.188.31]] ([[User talk:72.138.188.31|talk]]) 16:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Oppose''': a politician's position on a major social topic in a time period when he was an elected politician is [[WP:DUE|due weight]]. The content is also [[WP:V|verifiable]] and [[WP:NPOV|neutrally presented]]. If anything it's his view today or in 2008 that is irrelevant from a historical perspective. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 23:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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**'''Comment''' That Gore is still alive is also "irrelevant from a historical perspective". He is not doing or saying anything particularly notable. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 23:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' For all the reasons listed above and I'd support a quick close per [[WP:SNOW]]. [[User:Nemov|Nemov]] ([[User talk:Nemov|talk]]) 14:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Just wanted to reduce the snowball's chances even more. But really, it's relevant information for a politician, and the only way to make it more neutral would be to have Ben Stein read it. [[User:Kerdooskis|'''<span style="color:teal;">Kerdooskis</span>''']][[User talk:Kerdooskis|''talk'']] 23:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' per nom. [[Special:Contributions/92.40.213.243|92.40.213.243]] ([[User talk:92.40.213.243|talk]]) 17:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== http://blog.algore.com/ == |
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== Someone make a page for his son Albert iii and his other daughter == |
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More, daily info: http://blog.algore.com/ --[[User:Tamás Kádár|Tamás Kádár]] ([[User talk:Tamás Kádár|talk]]) 20:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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someone needs to add his third daughter and al gore III to this his two daughter are on his why arent they [[Special:Contributions/2603:6011:5601:B8F5:65D2:EF74:F396:E2A6|2603:6011:5601:B8F5:65D2:EF74:F396:E2A6]] ([[User talk:2603:6011:5601:B8F5:65D2:EF74:F396:E2A6|talk]]) 18:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== vice presidency == |
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Why |
:Why? Are they [[WP:GNG|notable]]? – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== MISUSE OF THE WORD "APPROXIMATELY" == |
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== His voice acting career needs to be mentioned == |
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The text says that Gore won the popular election by "APPROXIMATELY 543,895 votes". Now, approximately means CLOSE TO a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time. 543,895 is a round and precise number. Either write "EXACTLY 543,895" or just quote the number, without an adverb preceding it. [[Special:Contributions/2804:D84:2280:2400:6F91:F3D:19FB:6CA0|2804:D84:2280:2400:6F91:F3D:19FB:6CA0]] ([[User talk:2804:D84:2280:2400:6F91:F3D:19FB:6CA0|talk]]) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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His voice acting career needs to be mentioned. He did voice acting on [[Futurama: Bender's Big Score]]. [[User:William Ortiz|William Ortiz]] ([[User talk:William Ortiz|talk]]) 13:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:You are correct. I have fixed the article. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Why does this page not say he is divorced? == |
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Al and Tipper are divorced and she has remarried [[Special:Contributions/2601:204:200:4F30:C85E:8A30:73DA:8590|2601:204:200:4F30:C85E:8A30:73DA:8590]] ([[User talk:2601:204:200:4F30:C85E:8A30:73DA:8590|talk]]) 17:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC) |
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It is funniest shit ever! You actually take worst picture possible of him and put it on wiki? Ha ha ha. Seriously though, last time I checked this page there was a good picture of him. |
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: Do you have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for this? From a cursory Google, I can find plenty of news articles about their separation in 2010, but can't find anything reliable for either the divorce or her remarriage. (Her article does not mention it.) --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 12:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Request for comment: Al Gore
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I am proposing that the paragraph pertaining to Gore's prior opposition to gay marriage be deleted. My rationale as to why I request the paragraph is deleted is explained above at the top of the #Semi protected edit request (3 February 2024 section of this talk page. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- i found the information to be interesting and informative, not burdened by undue weight, and factually correct.
- have a wikipedia day, Augmented Seventh (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's not helpful to the statement at all. You can't just say all of those things without explaining WHY you find it
interesting and informative
. 92.40.212.157 (talk) 09:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- That's not helpful to the statement at all. You can't just say all of those things without explaining WHY you find it
- Oppose removing the content in question. It is not undue. It is reliably sourced. It is verifiable. It is neutrally worded. As a reader, I would expect to see content like this, LGBT, abortion, guns, etc., this is standard biographical information for a politicians article to have. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - (Brought here by WP:RFC/A) Being a notable politician his prior political positions held are worth keeping on the record. I do think that it does pass The 10 Year test.
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Being a notable politician his prior political positions held are worth keeping on the record
per MaximusEditor, the content is WP:DUE and neither especially contentious nor harmful to his reputation - he has probably made the same 'moral' journey as millions of Americans and others. No reason for removal is offered. Pincrete (talk) 18:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC) - Oppose: a politician's position on a major social topic in a time period when he was an elected politician is due weight. The content is also verifiable and neutrally presented. If anything it's his view today or in 2008 that is irrelevant from a historical perspective. — Bilorv (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment That Gore is still alive is also "irrelevant from a historical perspective". He is not doing or saying anything particularly notable. Dimadick (talk) 23:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose For all the reasons listed above and I'd support a quick close per WP:SNOW. Nemov (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Just wanted to reduce the snowball's chances even more. But really, it's relevant information for a politician, and the only way to make it more neutral would be to have Ben Stein read it. Kerdooskistalk 23:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 92.40.213.243 (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone make a page for his son Albert iii and his other daughter
[edit]someone needs to add his third daughter and al gore III to this his two daughter are on his why arent they 2603:6011:5601:B8F5:65D2:EF74:F396:E2A6 (talk) 18:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Are they notable? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
MISUSE OF THE WORD "APPROXIMATELY"
[edit]The text says that Gore won the popular election by "APPROXIMATELY 543,895 votes". Now, approximately means CLOSE TO a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time. 543,895 is a round and precise number. Either write "EXACTLY 543,895" or just quote the number, without an adverb preceding it. 2804:D84:2280:2400:6F91:F3D:19FB:6CA0 (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct. I have fixed the article. HiLo48 (talk) 01:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Why does this page not say he is divorced?
[edit]Al and Tipper are divorced and she has remarried 2601:204:200:4F30:C85E:8A30:73DA:8590 (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have a reliable source for this? From a cursory Google, I can find plenty of news articles about their separation in 2010, but can't find anything reliable for either the divorce or her remarriage. (Her article does not mention it.) --B (talk) 12:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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