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Not to be rude, but this is nothing more than useless fact dumping. Now somebody else is going to have to do the real work and add some actual meat. If you weren't willing to do that, you shouldn't have added the article. -- [[User:Foofy|Foofy]] 00:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== No soure for informations in section Future/n900 == |
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== Stack: X Window System over Debian? == |
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If Debian is to be in the stack, there shouldn't be much left, as it includes the X Window System, GTK+ and much more.--[[User:Chealer|Chealer]] 02:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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There is no soure for the information in this section. It talks about an anounment from Nokia, so why isn't that linked? Or any other source? I think that section should be removed. [[Special:Contributions/93.232.65.165|93.232.65.165]] ([[User talk:93.232.65.165|talk]]) 15:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC) |
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== How to pronounce? == |
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How is Maemo pronounced? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.221.197.20|128.221.197.20]] ([[User talk:128.221.197.20|talk]]) 20:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Internet Tablet Article == |
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It kinda depends on your location, but MAY-mo or MAH-eh-mo seem to be the most accepted. I've not seen anything official from maemo or Nokia on it, though. The question may have come up during thoughtfix's interview with Quim Gil, though I don't recall the answer off-hand. -- [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 04:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:There is no rule about this, but the maemo team at Nokia says "mah-EH-mo". A bit of background. Jesús Climent (Catalan & Spanish speaker) is the guy that came up with the name and Finland is the place where this happened. Catalan, Spanish and Finnish have only one thing in common: they pronnounce all the vowels as you see them. Accentuation rules in these language would put the stress in EH by default as is written.--[[User:Qgil|Qgil]] ([[User talk:Qgil|talk]]) 19:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Three (four if you count the N810 WiMAX Edition) devices is a lot to juggle around when talking about the platform. As it seems likely we can expect more devices in the future, I believe it would be worthwhile to create a "Internet Tablet" article to provide an overview/list of all devices and simplify "the [[Nokia 770]], [[Nokia N800|N800]] and [[Nokia N810]] Internet Tablets" to "Nokia [[Internet Tablet]]s". [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 03:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Wiki style== |
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:I went ahead and created the [[Internet Tablet]] article. Very stubbish at the moment, will hopefully be expanding later. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 05:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC) |
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: Technical terms are not "buzzwords" and somebody needs to learn how to use references. :\ [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 14:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Organisation of article structure and Headings. == |
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Some is a technical word if it has a clearer more specific meaning than an English phrase. Ask yourself if this is then question when tempted in future. |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 14:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I've trawled through various operating sytem articles (Windows, Linux, MacOSX, etc, plus all of the mobile OS articles), in order to try and figure out what categories of information are typically presented, and which subject headings seem to cover all the bases. Unfortunately, most of Wikipedia's operating system articles are very disorganised. But having gone through them, plus a couple of "operating system feature comparison" tables, here's what I've come up with, a sort of "Generic template for operating system articles": |
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==Vandalism by General Antilles== |
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GA: go and read the docs on how wikipedia works. Deleting sourced material because you personally disagree, with nothing more than an insulting comment breaks all the most important guidelines. If you really disagree with a sourced statement, alter it with a comment linking to this Discussion page where you provide a ***sourced argument*** explaining why your view is correct. For instance, I stated under security that maemo has a trivial default root password, using Nokia's own docs as a source. You deleted this as incorrect; would you like to explain why? You might then want to explain why you deleted "Although ITOS implements preemptive multitasking, the Hildon interface model limits the screen to showing a single window at a time. [1]" |
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'''Intro''' |
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Not following this procedure is, by definition, '''wiki vandalism''', which if you persist in it can end in your being banned from editing wikipedia (although I would hope you have more sense: go and read those guidelines.) |
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- What category of devices is it aimed at? When was it first made? Who made it? What does it cost--is it free or proprietary? |
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'''Usage''' |
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Oh - and in future, do any controversial deletions separate to any positive contributions you make, annotating them careful. That way they can be preserved when your vandalism is undone. |
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- How do you use it? What's the GUI like? What does it look like? How does it start up? |
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'''Features''' |
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Btw, I've done a search on your profile name on the Net (although I really should have remembered it from my research for the article): it appears a lot on a forum devoted to Maemo: do you have any business or other relationship with Nokia or vested interest in the platform? Have you been the recipient of any gifts such as free hardware or privileged access to new OS developments to influence your opinion? If so, its questionable as to whether you should be editing this article - and you should certainly be extra scruplulous in following wiki rules. |
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- What filesystems does it support? What security does it employ? How can it be updated? |
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'''Components''' |
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I'm going to assume for now that you're intentions are good, and that you haven't read the guidelines, but next time I will report you. In future: ***source and discuss***. And some basic civility wouldn't hurt. |
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- What's it made of? |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 15:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Software''' |
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Any vandalism here was not done by GA, but by the other user who is pushing a myopic view of the maemo platform. He has already trolled the iTT forums and has decided to take out his anger on the maemo page. |
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- What software can it run (Java, native code, etc)? How do you install it (package management, etc)? |
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'''Hardware''' |
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- The above may be a civility offense under wiki guidelines. If you aren't mature to appreciate the benefits of civility of for its own sake, then do go away and read the guidelines and follow them by rote. Because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a troll or myopic: this is grownup life, please adjust |
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- What hardware can it run on? |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 18:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Software Development''' |
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GA has been attempting a good faith cleanup of this page, nothing more. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 16:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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- How do you make programs for it (SDK, API, Java, native code, etc)? |
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'''Version History''' |
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- Calling vandalism a good faith cleanup is just spin. If content is wrong, it should be corrected - with sources and arguments being used, not abuse. |
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- How has it changed over the years? What other versions are there? What versions are being developed? What Alternate Desktops are there? |
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Obviously, as with any form of categorization, some sub-sections could fit equally well under other headings, or could be deserving of their own separate heading. But as a starting point for better organisation--what do you guys think? [[User:InternetMeme|InternetMeme]] ([[User talk:InternetMeme|talk]]) 04:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC) |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 18:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Limiting "software" section to bundled apps == |
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:I recognise when I make a wrong decision, i'll leave it as is. Sorry, [[User:Cyclonenim|CycloneNimrod]]<sup>[[User_talk:Cyclonenim|talk?]]</sup> 16:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, I will try and do an unbiased review of the diffs and see what NPOV materal can be salvaged [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 16:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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The Software section currently contains an eclectic mix of different apps which happen to have maemo ports. I don't think this is especially useful, considering that it's basically just an ARM Linux distro. I think this should be limited to apps which are integral to the OS in some way, i.e. bundled with devices. That way it wouldn't just be an arbitrary collection of information. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 19:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Let's look at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=18863 |
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:I definitely agree that the current setup is less than ideal, but I do think it's important to cover some of the notable 3rd party software available. Yes, it ''is'' basically ARM Linux, but this fact isn't necessarily apparent to everybody reading the article, and everyone who gets that point may not understand the consequences of it. |
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:Part of what I've been working on here has been expanding the other maemo-related articles, and third-party software has been a part of this, so, what if we got a number of the notable third-party application articles up to speed (we'll have to thrash out a list) and did a quick 3 or 4 paragraph overview? [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 21:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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So, GA goes to a forum for developers for the platform, screams that people are dissing it, people post saying they'll come and help him... And a group of people turn up in a few minutes on an article that ha hardly been touched in months all supporting him. This is NOT how wikipedia works. Getting together a group of people with an emotional or financial stake in as issue does not decide what appears on wikipedia. You use the discussion page, sources, and if necessary appeal for resolution from an editor. Otoh, this is SUCH a silly way of trying to influence wiki that it guarantees you're not professional PR people. [[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 16:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:The edits were biased and speculation while GA was in the middle of a good faith cleanup. GA's edits nor the community's efforts fall into WP's own guidelines for vandalism and the proper way to resolve this is on the discussion page as we are trying to do. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) |
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:: I don't mind the odd third-party app so long as there's something notable about it. The important thing is that any third-party software has its notability established by an external party. [[ScummVM]] in particular seems to get picked up by reliable third-party news sources as a nifty thing to have on mobile devices all the time, so that might be a good one. GPS apps too. Wesnoth and a half-dozen random email / calendar apps, not so much. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 22:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:That forum is not for developers, and is not related to Nokia, so the "financial stake" argument is ridiculous on its face. As for emotional stake, that applies both ways, |
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::: Agreed. Software notability should be established by multiple external acknowledgement ON the maemo platform ( as opposed to Debian/Linux in general ). [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 01:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC) |
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- No, it doesn't. My only interest in maemo is writing an accurate article. This hardly compares with hundreds of hours of time invested and actual or potential gifts and jobs from Nokia. |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 18:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Are you, in fact, meanwhile from itT forums? If so, you have precisely the same evidence of emotional stake.[[Special:Contributions/129.74.108.111|129.74.108.111]] ([[User talk:129.74.108.111|talk]]) 19:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Usage section == |
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but NPOV of the text is what counts, not of the editor. |
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:So, Umptious (AKA meanwhile) goes to the same forum, argues about security with more or less everyone, sees General Antilles thanking people right and left, and then suggests he "really should have remembered <GA's handle> from <Umptious's> research". And advocates discussion. Trouble is, that only works when both parties are discussing in good faith. [[Special:Contributions/129.74.87.216|129.74.87.216]] ([[User talk:129.74.87.216|talk]]) 18:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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It was looking at precisely that thread - which advocates using wikipedia for non NPOV propaganda - which reminded me who GA was. |
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:::Perhaps [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19074 this thread] is the one referred? [[Special:Contributions/129.74.108.111|129.74.108.111]] ([[User talk:129.74.108.111|talk]]) 19:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I thought that from the perspective of a simple user, the article was somewhat lacking, and so created this section for any person who was curious about Internet Tablet OS; and who might've used a computer or a smartphone before, but otherwise had no idea of what Internet Tablet OS is. Given that I've never seen or used ITOS myself, it's quite possible that I've gotten a few things wrong, so be my guest in correcting any mistakes I've made, guys! (I'm looking at you, GeneralAntilles : ) ) |
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:: Be careful here... let's keep it civil and not presume anything. Right now things have settled down and I will be reapplying a bunch of changes. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 18:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Also, as I mentioned before, I think it'd be nice to have a "Software Development" section, so any people who might potentially be interested in porting/developing applications for Internet Tablet OS can get a quick overview of the options available to them. If that that section were added, I think the article would be fairly complete from all the different perspectives of the various interest groups that are looking it up. [[User:InternetMeme|InternetMeme]] ([[User talk:InternetMeme|talk]]) 14:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:As far as development goes, that ''should'' be [[maemo]], but, as yet, it's lacking any sort of useful content. I've been trying to prod any and all knowledgeable parties into fleshing it out, but no luck so far. . . . Once that gets up to speed, adding a short paragraph about the SDK and development here with one of those Main Article links would be good. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 22:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::OK, clarified the Usage section a bit. Could still use some work (and maybe a focus revamp to discuss OS usage more generally) and a couple more citations, but it seems fine for now. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 23:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Page Archival? == |
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I don't want to do this myself, as I'm directly involved with much of the furor here, but does anybody else think it's time to archive the "vandalism" and related discussions? They're very poorly formated and hard to read right now due to Umptious's insistence on not following the talk page guidelines, and I, personally, feel that the issues have been settled well enough, and it's just getting in the way of productive discussion. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 23:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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: Yes, it should be archived and a new discussion page started. [[Special:Contributions/169.226.69.156|169.226.69.156]] ([[User talk:169.226.69.156|talk]]) 16:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC) |
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=== Diff Review === |
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: Started. I'll do more as the page expands. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 17:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Here are the contested sections and my input. Future: the 4.1 and 5.0 ( Diablo and Elephanta ) should probably get a mention on the page as they are well know in the community and should be easy to source. The part about Trolltech is pure speculation and should not be included. |
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: I have moved the older topics to an archive page [[User:Brontide|brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 18:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC) |
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- If there is a source for something, it is hardly "pure speculation". Since announcing the plans for future versions of maemo, Nokia has spent far than the maemo project cost buying a competing technology, aimed at exactly the same market, with maemo's security flaws fixed. This is worthy of discussion, and such discussions are part of many wikipedia articles on businesses and technologies. |
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== Template for version history == |
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[[User:Umptious|Umptious]] ([[User talk:Umptious|talk]]) 16:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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It would be great to move the version history table into a template. Then it would be easy to insert the table directly in other maemo articles, like the german one. There's nearly no language specific information in the tabele i think. --[[User:Uwe Kaminski|Uwe Kaminski]] ([[User talk:Uwe Kaminski|talk]]) 00:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Improvements Needed == |
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Security: The edits violate NPOV since they are generic arguments against unix and original research that are used to slam the maemo platform. |
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The style in which the entire article is authored needs to change. I mean the article starts with the usage? dont u think it would be better structure it by giving a overview or history. some links are also missing. Please reply on my talk page [[User:Josemanimala|JMM]]|[[User talk:Josemanimala|Whatup!?]] 06:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC) |
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- 1. something is a generic argument against unix, then if correct and sourced, it may still have a place in an article about a unix variant. |
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: I figure that most people using Wikipedia are normal folks; not programmers etc. Therefore, the first thing most people are gonna want to know is what maemo is, what it looks like, and what it's like to use, hence placing the "Usage" section at the start. What do you think? [[User:InternetMeme|InternetMeme]] ([[User talk:InternetMeme|talk]]) 14:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC) |
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- 2. a sourced discussion of a generic unix security flaw, given 1. is NOT necessarily a violation of NPOV. Arguing that unix security flaws should not be discussed *is* |
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: Sorry meme, for the late reply. I understand what you mean and it is perfectly what we should be doing. Why not make the usage title link into smaller sub headings like What is maemo?, Nokia and Maemo, User Interface, etc maybe adding a few good screen shots? That will make it more structured dont you think? [[User:Josemanimala|JMM]]|[[User talk:Josemanimala|Whatup!?]] 11:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== pronunciation == |
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- 3. I wrote the contested text - and I'm unware of ANY the security flaws discussed (trivial default poassword, lack of security software) applying to unix in general |
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The pronunciation was ID'd as English, but that isn't possible. Nor would it appear to be Swedish. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 14:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC) |
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- 4. Maemo is a mobile OS; that means it has different security requirements to a desktop or server OS; saying that maemo should be judged by the same standards is ridiculous: in particular, the potential for telecom dos attacks has to be considered with a potential phone OS (or in maemo's case to possibly explain why although it is sponsired by a phone company it is NOT used on phones) |
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:It's a made up nonsense word (pwgen). —[[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 00:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::Okay, thanks. I'll delete. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 01:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I deleted an assertion that it stands for "my mobile", since [http://test.maemo.org/faq/faq.html#general it clearly doesn't]. [[User:The Wednesday Island|The Wednesday Island]] ([[User talk:The Wednesday Island|talk]]) 13:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:Your "sources" consist of links to the Register (not a source known for its reliability), a google search page (which changes daily) and original research (''you'' need to read the Wikipedia guidelines [[Wikipedia:No original research]]), and it's certainly not NPOV. You've also managed to completely break the footnotes with your "sources". [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 17:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::::So how does one pronounce Maemo? [[User:Cigydd|Cigydd]] ([[User talk:Cigydd|talk]]) 04:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I am the person who came up with the name (check maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=287259&postcount=25). The explanation is there. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.125.57.36|74.125.57.36]] ([[User talk:74.125.57.36|talk]]) 19:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I have reintegrated most of the content. I have tried to use high quality sources for the future software where possible, but it could probably use some more [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Nokia N900 Maemo section== |
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== maemo software architecture == |
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It would be worth mentioning that we are having a discussion on the Nokia N900 talk page[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nokia_N900#Maemo_is_Linux] on moving part of the software section[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900#Software] here.--[[User:Mandor|Mandor]] ([[User talk:Mandor|talk]]) 03:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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Full disclosure: I work at Nokia, being responsible of the maemo.org project. I won't edit the page nor will I try to influence the content, but I guess it's ok to help with corrections and question here in the discussion page. |
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== Names == |
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The graphic with the architecture is not correct. What is the source? You can find accurate information in the Architecture section of http://maemo.org/development/documentation/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf and all the details at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html --[[User:Qgil|Qgil]] ([[User talk:Qgil|talk]]) 19:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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: I pulled it from a presentation slide on maemo.org, actually. I believe it may have been from the GNOME Mobile and Embedded Initiative conference. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 19:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::I see: all my fault, sorry about that. http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/nokia-and-maemo-in-the-new-gnome-mobile-context/ slide 13. The URLs above are more recent and accurate. --[[User:Qgil|Qgil]] ([[User talk:Qgil|talk]]) 20:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Maemo sounds velvety and sexy, while MeeGoo sounds gooey, sticky and annoyingly high pitched :( --[[User:TiagoTiago|TiagoTiago]] ([[User talk:TiagoTiago|talk]]) 03:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC) |
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== ITOS 2008 == |
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:Try to stay within Wikipedia talk guidlines. This is not a forum to discuss the subject, but to discuss the article. If you '''really''' want to carry this discussion on, put it on talk.maemo.org. In any case, the thread will not be very welcome there, either. [[User:Xomm|Xomm]] 20:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC) |
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There is a reference to "ITOS 2008". The previous versions were called "Internet Tablet OS 200*" and "ITOS" is the short version used by the community, but not an official denomination. Since the name was long it was changed to "OS2008" i.e. http://nokia.com/os2008 --[[User:Qgil|Qgil]] ([[User talk:Qgil|talk]]) 19:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Maemo |
== Link "Huge Maemo software directory" - advertising == |
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The link "Huge Maemo software directory" at the end of the page sounds pretty much like link spam. |
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I don't want to edit the article myself since I am only "visiting" and don't want to start an edit-war or anything I think it would be better to remove it. The link is not directly relevant for the lemma and Wikipedia is (luckily) not the same as the open directory. |
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The maemo page itself states that maemo is properly distinct from the Internet Tablet OS; however, most of the page focuses upon the OS. Should these topics be split into separate pages? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.66.56.73|166.66.56.73]] ([[User talk:166.66.56.73|talk]]) 20:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Probably worth doing now, but the article was a little underweight for that when I started out and the maemo page is going to be very stubbish once it gets split at this point. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 20:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Agreed, right now I would even argue that too many of the linked pages are stubs and should be pulled back into the maemo page until there it more meat as well. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 01:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Eh, I dunno. I suppose you could make an argument about Matchbox, Hildon, and Scratchbox, but they're all relevant outside of maemo, so including them in this article (despite their small size) wouldn't really make sense. Modest, maybe, I could understand, but it's new today and going to be expanded soon. [[User:GeneralAntilles|GeneralAntilles]] ([[User talk:GeneralAntilles|talk]]) 01:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Special:Contributions/79.171.56.73|79.171.56.73]] ([[User talk:79.171.56.73|talk]]) 08:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC) |
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== Logo is outdated == |
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The Maemo logo in this article is outdated and was only used until Maemo 4.1. --[[Special:Contributions/82.208.42.129|82.208.42.129]] ([[User talk:82.208.42.129|talk]]) 11:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC) |
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I restored the previous security section for three reasons: |
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: The new logo can be found at http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ although the page states that it should only be used for the Maemo the Community, not Maemo the OS. See http://maemo.nokia.com/ for the logo on of Nokia's official Maemo page. --[[Special:Contributions/91.118.56.81|91.118.56.81]] ([[User talk:91.118.56.81|talk]]) 15:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC) |
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1. It contained sourced, relevant discussion that seems to have been delete just because would-be maemo evangelists don't want potential weaknesses of the OS discussing. These points should only be removed after discussion which proves them to be untrue. Which I suspect is unlikely as much of the material objected to comes from Nokia. |
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== Bizarre edit == |
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2. The new version was deep in weasel wording and obscuring spin, eg saying "Internet Tablet OS security concentrates on preventing remote attacks[12] (e.g. by wireless networking and Bluetooth)" by way warning that ITOS is stated by Nokia to have little or no provision for stopping attacks by hosile applications installed on a machine. |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=prev&oldid=425284314 this edit] is weird. It's unsourced and unclear usage of English with "...it is too a part...". Perhaps someone with more understanding of the subject matter could have a look and fix things up. -- [[User:Ke4roh|ke4roh]] ([[User talk:Ke4roh|talk]]) 20:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC) |
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3. Maemo is a mobile OS. Discussing it's security features against those of other mobile OS's makes the most sense for users, developers, analysts, investors - in fact, absolutely anyone who doesn't object to a comparison that they feel shows maemo, which is weak here, in a poor light. |
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4. It was stated that >>> "maemo makes use of a root account like Debian does but has a trivial default password"—meaning if a user installed a hostile or malicious application it could seize control of the operating system. However, root logins are disabled by default, so extra software such as OpenSSH must be installed to expose this vulnerability. Recommended practice is to change the root password before installing such software (which is forced during the installation of the OpenSSH server). <<< Now, this implies (but does not absolutely state) that OpenSSH or an equivalent is required for the vulnerability to be present. However: |
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i. It doesn't quite say that, and given the obvious effort to put in spin into the article discussed above (often showing a very professional level of PR writing...) this requires disambiguation. |
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ii. No source is given, but only a link to the OpenSSH article on wikipedia. This article does NOT support the view that OpenSSH is required for the vulnerability to be useful to an attacker, but instead that OpenSSH is just a safe way of performing certain tasks (such as changing the password involved) that might otherwise be dangerous. |
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But definitely, if someone is willing to make an un-spun, definite statement, backed by a source, this would be very useful. |
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:2. I don't see any [[Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words|weasel words]] there. Perhaps you could be more specific. The quote you mention seems perfectly accurate; my only concern with it would be that it's a direct copy from a Nokia document, presumably not GFDL-compatible. |
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:4.i You seem to claim that "However, root logins are disabled by default, so extra software such as OpenSSH must be installed to expose this vulnerability." isn't an absolute statement that "OpenSSH or an equivalent is required for the vulnerability to be present". To me, it seems that it is an absolute statement to that effect; I can see no other way of interpreting it. |
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:4.ii It seems to be supported by the source referenced at the end of that paragraph. Quoting from that source (the Maemo Quick Start Guide): |
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''- The source given follows a claim re the screen lock code and supports that claim. It doesn't support - or even mention - any claim regarding the root password, which is quite different and much more important. |
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''- 1. This quote doesn't come from the source given, which was P14 of the guide. If you want to quote the whole guide, well, that would be poor style - but link to the whole guide. If you to quote different pages to prove different things, use multiple quotes with the correct page reference in each one.'' |
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''- 2. There is a BIG difference between "There is no vulnerability unless you install X" and "If you install X, be sure to do Y". This is fairly basic logic. You can't use the second to prove the first. In this case, the second warning actually seems to mean that installing OpenSSH adds a vulnerability to networking attacks as well as on-board ones - this is what happens if you add a network administration tool to a device with an unsecure root password! Is there a Nokia support forum where we could clarify this if you disagree? If not I will pick a respectable security or OpenSSH forum and ask (although Nokia probably won't thank you, either way if I'm right..)'' |
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''- 3. Believe it or not, I would be glad if you were correct on this issue vulnerability was lower than I thought! However, the responsible thing to do would then to be to define the remaining level of vulnerability correctly, not to brush the whol issue under the carpet. Eg if keyloggers are prevented this way, can a program still read other program's files?'''' |
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:If that's not good, what exactly do you think we need a reference to support? (I'm not sure about the assertion that installing OpenSSH forces a root password change; I installed it so long ago I don't remember if it's true, much less have a reference. I agree that that needs a reference.) |
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''-- Again, see 2. immediately above. I think you don't understand the basic logic here, although it's nice to see an attempt to discuss.'' |
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:Also, it'd seem good if you separated your additions regarding matchbox and such from your alterations of the security section, for the same reasons you pointed out to General Antilles.[[Special:Contributions/129.74.64.45|129.74.64.45]] ([[User talk:129.74.64.45|talk]]) 18:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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- ''Quite true. All I can plead in my defence is that I am dealing with a concerted attempt by a group - whose members often use personal abuse and disregard basic wiki ettiquette. Under those conditions, standards will slip. Be polite, sign in to edit, use the discussion page correctly, etc, and no doubt things will improve....'' |
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:: You not only "restored" it you reverted all of the work that other had placed on that paragraph. It equivocated Maemo with iPhone and smartphone despite the fact that have no phone hardware in any of the devices. Most of the section was a rant against either native code or cell phone attached computers and is NOT related to maemo. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 19:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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: Stop breaking up discussions on this page, it makes the text impossible to follow [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 19:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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: Maemo is "mobile" in that it's a handheld peice of consumer electronics, it is not "mobile" as in directly attached to the cellular network. Your rant against the platform continues to equivocate physical mobility and cell-phone based mobility. Neither the fact that this system could a bt phone for data or it's new WiMAX edition change the fact that no NIT produced has phone hardware built in or has the ability to damage the cellular network. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 19:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I have added the OR tag since the whole paragraph, continually reverted by Umpitious, is a rant against native code and cellular attached computing. The Nokia hardware does not have a cell phone or a way to dial a cell phone except through some very specialized software when paired with a bluetooth phone. [[User:Brontide|Brontide]] ([[User talk:Brontide|talk]]) 19:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Brontide: I was very specific about maemo not being used on phones. The question from an analyst/investors' POV is why not? Nokia IS a phone company! Reasoning is not necessarily the same as original research. The sources I used clearly showed that the degree of security maemo has would NOT be considered appropriate in a phone - that's definite, non-OR material, and I think it's worthwhile, but I'm definitely open to ***civil argument***. From someone who bothers to provide it. Btw, "rant" is a breach of wiki civility. Try harder. |
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No soure for informations in section Future/n900
[edit]There is no soure for the information in this section. It talks about an anounment from Nokia, so why isn't that linked? Or any other source? I think that section should be removed. 93.232.65.165 (talk) 15:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Internet Tablet Article
[edit]Three (four if you count the N810 WiMAX Edition) devices is a lot to juggle around when talking about the platform. As it seems likely we can expect more devices in the future, I believe it would be worthwhile to create a "Internet Tablet" article to provide an overview/list of all devices and simplify "the Nokia 770, N800 and Nokia N810 Internet Tablets" to "Nokia Internet Tablets". GeneralAntilles (talk) 03:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I went ahead and created the Internet Tablet article. Very stubbish at the moment, will hopefully be expanding later. GeneralAntilles (talk) 05:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Organisation of article structure and Headings.
[edit]I've trawled through various operating sytem articles (Windows, Linux, MacOSX, etc, plus all of the mobile OS articles), in order to try and figure out what categories of information are typically presented, and which subject headings seem to cover all the bases. Unfortunately, most of Wikipedia's operating system articles are very disorganised. But having gone through them, plus a couple of "operating system feature comparison" tables, here's what I've come up with, a sort of "Generic template for operating system articles":
Intro - What category of devices is it aimed at? When was it first made? Who made it? What does it cost--is it free or proprietary?
Usage - How do you use it? What's the GUI like? What does it look like? How does it start up?
Features - What filesystems does it support? What security does it employ? How can it be updated?
Components - What's it made of?
Software - What software can it run (Java, native code, etc)? How do you install it (package management, etc)?
Hardware - What hardware can it run on?
Software Development - How do you make programs for it (SDK, API, Java, native code, etc)?
Version History - How has it changed over the years? What other versions are there? What versions are being developed? What Alternate Desktops are there?
Obviously, as with any form of categorization, some sub-sections could fit equally well under other headings, or could be deserving of their own separate heading. But as a starting point for better organisation--what do you guys think? InternetMeme (talk) 04:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Limiting "software" section to bundled apps
[edit]The Software section currently contains an eclectic mix of different apps which happen to have maemo ports. I don't think this is especially useful, considering that it's basically just an ARM Linux distro. I think this should be limited to apps which are integral to the OS in some way, i.e. bundled with devices. That way it wouldn't just be an arbitrary collection of information. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- I definitely agree that the current setup is less than ideal, but I do think it's important to cover some of the notable 3rd party software available. Yes, it is basically ARM Linux, but this fact isn't necessarily apparent to everybody reading the article, and everyone who gets that point may not understand the consequences of it.
- Part of what I've been working on here has been expanding the other maemo-related articles, and third-party software has been a part of this, so, what if we got a number of the notable third-party application articles up to speed (we'll have to thrash out a list) and did a quick 3 or 4 paragraph overview? GeneralAntilles (talk) 21:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't mind the odd third-party app so long as there's something notable about it. The important thing is that any third-party software has its notability established by an external party. ScummVM in particular seems to get picked up by reliable third-party news sources as a nifty thing to have on mobile devices all the time, so that might be a good one. GPS apps too. Wesnoth and a half-dozen random email / calendar apps, not so much. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. Software notability should be established by multiple external acknowledgement ON the maemo platform ( as opposed to Debian/Linux in general ). Brontide (talk) 01:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Usage section
[edit]I thought that from the perspective of a simple user, the article was somewhat lacking, and so created this section for any person who was curious about Internet Tablet OS; and who might've used a computer or a smartphone before, but otherwise had no idea of what Internet Tablet OS is. Given that I've never seen or used ITOS myself, it's quite possible that I've gotten a few things wrong, so be my guest in correcting any mistakes I've made, guys! (I'm looking at you, GeneralAntilles : ) )
Also, as I mentioned before, I think it'd be nice to have a "Software Development" section, so any people who might potentially be interested in porting/developing applications for Internet Tablet OS can get a quick overview of the options available to them. If that that section were added, I think the article would be fairly complete from all the different perspectives of the various interest groups that are looking it up. InternetMeme (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- As far as development goes, that should be maemo, but, as yet, it's lacking any sort of useful content. I've been trying to prod any and all knowledgeable parties into fleshing it out, but no luck so far. . . . Once that gets up to speed, adding a short paragraph about the SDK and development here with one of those Main Article links would be good. GeneralAntilles (talk) 22:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- OK, clarified the Usage section a bit. Could still use some work (and maybe a focus revamp to discuss OS usage more generally) and a couple more citations, but it seems fine for now. GeneralAntilles (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Page Archival?
[edit]I don't want to do this myself, as I'm directly involved with much of the furor here, but does anybody else think it's time to archive the "vandalism" and related discussions? They're very poorly formated and hard to read right now due to Umptious's insistence on not following the talk page guidelines, and I, personally, feel that the issues have been settled well enough, and it's just getting in the way of productive discussion. GeneralAntilles (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be archived and a new discussion page started. 169.226.69.156 (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- Started. I'll do more as the page expands. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- I have moved the older topics to an archive page brontide (talk) 18:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Template for version history
[edit]It would be great to move the version history table into a template. Then it would be easy to insert the table directly in other maemo articles, like the german one. There's nearly no language specific information in the tabele i think. --Uwe Kaminski (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Improvements Needed
[edit]The style in which the entire article is authored needs to change. I mean the article starts with the usage? dont u think it would be better structure it by giving a overview or history. some links are also missing. Please reply on my talk page JMM|Whatup!? 06:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- I figure that most people using Wikipedia are normal folks; not programmers etc. Therefore, the first thing most people are gonna want to know is what maemo is, what it looks like, and what it's like to use, hence placing the "Usage" section at the start. What do you think? InternetMeme (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry meme, for the late reply. I understand what you mean and it is perfectly what we should be doing. Why not make the usage title link into smaller sub headings like What is maemo?, Nokia and Maemo, User Interface, etc maybe adding a few good screen shots? That will make it more structured dont you think? JMM|Whatup!? 11:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
pronunciation
[edit]The pronunciation was ID'd as English, but that isn't possible. Nor would it appear to be Swedish. kwami (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's a made up nonsense word (pwgen). —GeneralAntilles (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. I'll delete. kwami (talk) 01:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- I deleted an assertion that it stands for "my mobile", since it clearly doesn't. The Wednesday Island (talk) 13:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- So how does one pronounce Maemo? Cigydd (talk) 04:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am the person who came up with the name (check maemo.org: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=287259&postcount=25). The explanation is there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.125.57.36 (talk) 19:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Nokia N900 Maemo section
[edit]It would be worth mentioning that we are having a discussion on the Nokia N900 talk page[1] on moving part of the software section[2] here.--Mandor (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Names
[edit]Maemo sounds velvety and sexy, while MeeGoo sounds gooey, sticky and annoyingly high pitched :( --TiagoTiago (talk) 03:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Try to stay within Wikipedia talk guidlines. This is not a forum to discuss the subject, but to discuss the article. If you really want to carry this discussion on, put it on talk.maemo.org. In any case, the thread will not be very welcome there, either. Xomm 20:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Link "Huge Maemo software directory" - advertising
[edit]The link "Huge Maemo software directory" at the end of the page sounds pretty much like link spam.
I don't want to edit the article myself since I am only "visiting" and don't want to start an edit-war or anything I think it would be better to remove it. The link is not directly relevant for the lemma and Wikipedia is (luckily) not the same as the open directory.
79.171.56.73 (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Logo is outdated
[edit]The Maemo logo in this article is outdated and was only used until Maemo 4.1. --82.208.42.129 (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- The new logo can be found at http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ although the page states that it should only be used for the Maemo the Community, not Maemo the OS. See http://maemo.nokia.com/ for the logo on of Nokia's official Maemo page. --91.118.56.81 (talk) 15:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Bizarre edit
[edit]this edit is weird. It's unsourced and unclear usage of English with "...it is too a part...". Perhaps someone with more understanding of the subject matter could have a look and fix things up. -- ke4roh (talk) 20:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
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