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== video section ==
Anyone know what this section is actually referencing? I.e., have the title of the film available? If not, seems like it should be ditched. [[User:68.80.213.219|68.80.213.219]] 16:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm gonna remove it. It is unreferenced, and really reads like the liner notes to the video. Of course this whole article reads like it was taken from the bio section of the program at some lecture or seminar. [[User:Andyparkerson|Andyparkerson]] 11:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== error in the career dates==
article says she began teaching in 76 as a senior lecturer, then that she published a book in 81 as an undergraduate. If the book was written in the early 70s and not published till 81 we should make that clear otherwise this is very confusing...[[User:Jackbrown|jackbrown]]

== "Protecting the page" ==
Has anyone noticed that the bell hooks page has been vandalized? Someone has put, bell hooks is a dumb nigger. Is slander and hate speech permissible at Wikipedia? Please protect the page from racist vandalism. {{unsigned|216.204.233.178|03:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)}}
: We've been protecting it by reverting it as soon as we catch it. You can do that, too. [[WP:VANDAL]] explains more about the process of catching, reverting, preventing vandalism. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 03:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== archives ==

I've archived all the old material. Because there was so much extensive discussion on (a) case/capitalization and (b) the criticism brouhaha, I set up special archives for those, following the precedent already established for the criticism section discussion (which I renamed for consistent naming). See the tidy archives box with descriptions. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 04:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== Pen name ==

What does the pen name section have to do with her pen name? [[User:134.173.95.106|134.173.95.106]] 10:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)134.173.95.106

== Capitalization ==

Forgive my ignorance, but is bell hooks' name necessarily lowercase at the beginning of a sentence, where, one would think, even words that generally lack capitalization are capitalized? If the convention is to write her name as lowercase in all situations, and in all contexts, then by all means, the article should stay as it is. But if there is no such convention, then I think sentences beginning "hooks is" should probably be changed to "Hooks is." [[User:Hlemonick|Hlemonick]] 12:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that her name should definitely be capitalized at the beginning of sentences and paragraphs, just like any other word. It probably should be capitalized throughout to comply with standard English capitalization conventions. [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] 23:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::You know, that is a really good question. I know that she doesn't capitalize her name in general, but I don't know if the intention is to never capitalize, or to treat the name like any other word. [[User:Natalie Erin|Natalie]] 23:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::To treat her name as some kind of "superword" exempt from all rules of capitalization would seem to contradict her stated goal of focusing on "substance of books, not who I am." On the other hand, insisting on special treatment of her name at all has the result of focusing an unusual degree of attention on her rather than the substance of her books, so maybe she hasn't thought this thing through completely. [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] 00:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I totally disagree with both of you, her name is meant to be lowercase, all her books she signs bell hooks in a lowercase fashion. I think we need to respect the thinker's intention and not look to conform to the rules of English grammar. To say that she has not thought this out, is not for you or I too say. By trying to capitalize it, is to take away from her, her desire to stand out. I mean Madonna doesn't use a last name for artistic purpose, so the same arguement is applied in this case [[User:ForrestLane42|ForrestLane42]] 02:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)ForrestLane42
:I think you misunderstand the question. I, for one, am not arguing that her name should be capitalized in general. However, we are questioning if either of her names should be capitalized when they are the first word in a sentence, like words generally are. [[User:Natalie Erin|Natalie]] 03:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

:Natalie is right about this particular question. For what it's worth, I ''am'' inclined to think that her name should always be capitalized. The spirit of the Wikipedia [[WP:MOS|Manual of Style]] says we should respect the rules of English above the thinker's intention. Look at how [[WP:MOSTM]] explicitly rejects the "thinker's intention" when it comes to Thirtysomething (not thirtysomething) and Realtor (not REALTOR). [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] 04:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I dont think I am misunderstanding the question. As for WP:MOSTM, it is used in reference to trademarks, her name I can't see as a trademark, it is the author's linguistic intention to lowercase her name. When you do read WP:MOSTM, it seems to me to be splitting hairs in painful way. Just my opinion, I just find it that the issue of capitalization plagues her site over and over again. The question as far as I can see was resolved, if one would take the time to read the ensuing discussion in the archives... why rehash old issues?[[User:ForrestLane42|ForrestLane42]] 10:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)ForrestLane42

:As far as I have seen, no one has mentioned MOSTM. It does seem like the rough consensus in the archives, though, was that bell hooks' name should be treated like a normal word and capitalized at the beginning of sentences. [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] 22:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

::The [[Chicago Manual of Style]] demands that bell hooks be lower case, except at the beginning of a sentence. As reason, the manual states that the author was personally quite insistent on the matter. The Oxford University recommendation is the same. On the other hand, many other lesser style guides require that the name be treated as a proper name with ordinary capitalization. [[WP:CL]] stands astride these two alternatives: the name is to be lower case in the lede and article title, but capitalized elsewhere. This is stated quite unambiguously in the style guide, so the case is closed (in my opinion, at least). [[User:Silly rabbit|Silly rabbit]] 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoops - I just changed all instances of her name in the article to read lowercase before reading the talk page. Will revert ASAP. For the record, I'd agree with the people who assert that bell hooks's work implies that she'd want her name to be treated as a standard lower-case word (i.e. capitalized at the beginning of a sentence, lowercase elsewhere including the article heading and lead.) Apologies. On another note, the book in front of me (Key Thinkers on Space and Place) uses hooks's name only in lower case regardless of the context. The book is a formal, academic text, so if they can do it, why not Wikipedia? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.206.234.87|69.206.234.87]] ([[User talk:69.206.234.87|talk]]) 04:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Wikipedia ''could'', but Wikipedia has its own editorial guidelines which say to follow standard English usage rather than applying the preferences of individuals. [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] ([[User talk:PubliusFL|talk]]) 18:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm, this is the same issue that's driving me nuts over on the k.d. lang page. I still think that the Wiki entry should reflect the artists' "stage names" and and should not "correct" them. There is a Wiki page for the band !!!; someone decided they should be called !!! and Wiki complies. When someone decides they should be consistently lowercase, Wiki freaks out. It doesn't make sense. A few moderators have made the case that lowercase brings improper attention to these artists, but I think !!! is fairly attention-grabbing. If a writer made a brand for herself with the name !!!bellhooks!!! (one word) that would be permissable by Wiki standards, am I right? [[User:Steverino|Steverino]] ([[User talk:Steverino|talk]]) 00:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's abundantly clear just how we would handle such a stage name. We'd probably have to discuss it, and come up with a rule, because it's a situation we haven't quite seen before. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 18:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

:::I don't think so (that "!!!bellhooks!!!" would be permissible). Such a stage name is basically a trademark or service mark (as is k.d. lang), and [[WP:MOSTM]] says: "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words (e.g. ♥ used for 'love'). In the article about a trademark, it is acceptable to use decorative characters the first time the trademark appears, but thereafter, an alternative that follows the standard rules of punctuation should be used." [[User:PubliusFL|PubliusFL]] ([[User talk:PubliusFL|talk]]) 19:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::My two cents... There is absolutely no disadvantage to writing hooks' name as she intends it, aside from the fact that it might infringe on a rather arbitrary allegiance to Wikipedia's editorial guidelines. However, there IS a disadvantage in writing her name in a way she explicitly does not intend. Who are we to say that hooks should be Hooks, or Ann Anne, or MacLeod McLeod? [[User:Hurtsmyears|Hurtsmyears]] ([[User talk:Hurtsmyears|talk]]) 07:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::We have a guideline that mandates arbitrary changes in spelling? – [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] <sup>([[User talk:Cyrus XIII|talk]])</sup> 08:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::Why is this even an issue? Bell hooks' name should be in all lower-case unless it's at the beginning of a sentence (as in this very sentence). That's the way she intends it to be written and that's the way it should be written. Chicago Manual of Style says so. Every literature professor in the world says so. I fail to see how it draws any kind of improper attention given that every other respectable source on the planet will spell her name in lower case, per her convention. Spelling it with capital letters amounts to misspelling it. People who come here to learn about her should learn that she spells her name all in lower-case. I honestly can't think of a single good reason why we should capitalise her name. At minimum, it should be in all lower-case as the default while people talk here about possibly changing it to upper-case, as opposed to the reverse. In fact, I'd like to come back here in a couple of days and do that if nobody objects. Not to kill the conversation, just to change the way the page looks now. [[User:my_rain_face|my_rain_face]] <sup>([[User talk:my_rain_face|talk]])</sup> 13:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I just realised that this conversation started with discussion about whether it should be capitalised at the beginning of sentences, not at the rest of occasions. That, I think, merits reasonable discussion, but at other times -- as in when her name is used in the middle of sentences -- it should be lower case. Surely everyone can agree that at least while this conversation continues, her name when written in mid-sentence ought *not* to be capitalised, since that's the conventional way it's written? (sorry for unsigned, having password issues and need to reset it. My username, as above, is my_rain_face) [[Special:Contributions/70.239.94.25|70.239.94.25]] ([[User talk:70.239.94.25|talk]]) 12:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a way of compromising here. Instead of capitalizing bell hooks at the start of sentences (which is incorrect, and even though WP policy mandates it the [[Chicago Manual of Style|CMS]] and her self-definition make that mandate unworkable) either find a sentence structure that does not use her name as the first word or use "Watkins" at the start of sentences--[[User:Cailil|<font color="grey" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="grey">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 21:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

=== Alternative lede sentences ===

We need to stop the pointless edit war here. So I'm going to suggest an alternative lede.
<blockquote>'''Gloria Jean Watkins''' (born [[September 25]], [[1952]]) is better known by the pseudonym '''bell hooks''' (which is deliberately not capitalized<ref>Hooks, Bell, ''Talking Back: Thinking Feminist, Thinking Black'' (south End Press, 1989) ISBN:9780896083527</ref>). She is an [[United States|African-American]] [[author]], [[Feminism|feminist]], and [[social activist]].</blockquote> This lede a) is within the MOS and b) uses the subject's preferred spelling of her pseudonym. Any views?--[[User:Cailil|<font color="grey" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="grey">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 12:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:The current lead paragraph already satisfies the Manual of Style's call for noting preferred typeset of an article's subject and in a very descriptive, matter-of-fact fashion. What makes you think that your proposed wording of the lead would not just be continuously removed as well (along with every other "wrongfully" capitalized instance of the name)? – [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] <sup>([[User talk:Cyrus XIII|talk]])</sup> 13:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

::I do see you point Cyrus but the first thing that troubles me about the current lede is that it puts the pseudonym first. Usually real names are put first when dealing with authors who use pseudonyms (see [[Mark Twain]] as an example). Secondly I see compromise in this situation as the best way forward. You are right that "Hooks" should be capitalized as the first word in sentences and others are correct that her self-definition should leave "hooks" uncapitalized. There is a way to satisfy both without damaging the article. I made a post yesterday explaining such a compromise[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bell_Hooks&diff=207961745&oldid=207841660]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="grey" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="grey">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 14:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:::You got me wrong there, the name should be capitalized throughout the article, except for single instances in the lead paragraph and the passage that explains how the pen name came about. No objections to putting the birth name first and add a reference to the lead paragraph instance of her personal style though. – [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] <sup>([[User talk:Cyrus XIII|talk]])</sup> 15:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

::::I think that much is a step forward. I've gone ahead and added the new lede lines. We can reword as appropriate/necessary.
::::On the wider issue my over all point is that we can write this article without the contention of the capitalized/not-capitalized issue. Starting so many sentences with a name (and I'm aware that this is a biography) is lazy writing - in other words the page needs copy-editing and clean-up. Within that process we could also try to resolve or remove the "hooks" / "Hooks" issue, partially by using "Watkins" and at other times using appropriate pronouns. This will reduce the instance of ''Hooks says'' and ''Hooks did''. Hopefully this will help make the page more stable.
::::BTW I do take your point about the MOS Cyrus, but the 'self-definition' clauses gives me pause in this case. Hence my suggestion to remove, resolve or at least reduce the issue--[[User:Cailil|<font color="grey" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="grey">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 12:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:Cailil/cailil_sandbox_3|This is]] a very very preview of my above suggested copy-edit of the page. This reduces the number of "Hooks" references to two - which need to be capitalized and to quotes in which her name is capitalized. What do you think?--[[User:Cailil|<font color="grey" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="grey">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 12:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

==Criticism Section==
I think we need to put the criticisms in perspective Horowitz and Glazov have dubious reputations, highly controversial and are far from respectable sources of criticism of hooks, I am sure that someone can find criticism of hooks that is not tied to an right-wing agenda. [[User:ForrestLane42|ForrestLane42]] 03:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)ForrestLane42

:Following [[WP:ATT]] and [[WP:NPOV]], we ourselves can't put their criticism into perspective. If other people have offered counter criticisms or hooks herself has responded to their criticisms, then those would be great. Sourced, of course.

Also, please put new comments at the bottom of the talk page. I have moved this one for you. [[User:Natalie Erin|Natalie]] 03:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

they make good points about her, and their opinions aren't to be discounted just because they have an agenda you don't agree with. if hitler had found the cure for aids, and you had aids, would you not take the cure because hitler invented it? [[User:76.25.115.99|76.25.115.99]] 02:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

what?!? Hitler? Your comment is absurd, and irrelevant. [[Special:Contributions/67.78.235.101|67.78.235.101]] ([[User talk:67.78.235.101|talk]])

== Image cleanup ==


== Additional section on hooks' Buddhist beliefs ==
The current headshot has severe compression artifacts. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 21:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, I'll put the image cleanup tag on the image itself so it might get a response. --[[User:Bsayusd|<font color="#6666aa"><b>Bsay</b></font><b><font color="#ad0000">USD</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Bsayusd|<font color="#6666aa">[Talk]</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bsayusd|<font color="#6666aa">[contribs]</font>]] 20:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


I noticed that there is no mention of hook's buddhist beliefs and its influence on her life. I plan on fleshing out an entire section about her journey and experience with Buddhism as well as the specific influence it’s had on her life and her work. Buddhist thought has influenced and shown up in many of her academic and activist work. I will also include details of her identity as a Black Buddhist and its importance in her writing and personal life. I will use the article “bell hooks, Black Feminist Thought, and Black Buddhism: A tribute” <ref>Medine, Carolyn M. Jones Medine. “bell hooks, Black Feminist Thought, and Black Buddhism: A Tribute.” Journal of World Philosophies. 7 (Summer 2022): 187-196.</ref>as well as hooks' interview with Helen Tworkov from 1992 to detail hooks’ discovery and incorporation of Buddhist theories.<ref>Tworkov, Helen. “Agent of Change.” Tricycle, 15 Dec. 2021, https://tricycle.org/magazine/bell-hooks-buddhism/.</ref>
== Seating issues ==


So poster #1 (IP 132.235.205.166 ) added, ''Hooks and her traveling companion had simply been involved in an honest mistake made by the airline. In addition, Hooks and her friend had not actually paid for their seats in first class...
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[[User:Beabeets|Beabeets]] ([[User talk:Beabeets|talk]]) 04:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Poster #2 (IP 74.185.0.47) removed the entry, saying that ''"Poster cannot account for the experiences of bell hooks"'', which may be true, as Poster #1 did not cite any references.


{{reflist-talk}}
Does anyone know?--[[User:Knulclunk|Knulclunk]] 02:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


== Consistency ==
hooks states that her friend did NOT have the correct boarding pass. the man she wanted to kill did. hooks claimed they were being discriminated against because her friend, who was in a seat not assigned to her (as far as the flight attendant was concerned), was asked to move for the man who DID have the correct boarding pass. on an airplane, you sit where you are assigned. she admits to her friend not being assigned to that seat. plus, airlines care more about people who actually pay for first class than those who upgrade using miles. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.25.115.99|76.25.115.99]] ([[User talk:76.25.115.99|talk]]) 19:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


The article switches from referring to her as Watkins, to referring to her as hooks. It looks really sloppy and inconsistent. We need to pick one and stick to it for the whole article. [[User:Jozsefs|Jozsefs]] ([[User talk:Jozsefs|talk]]) 11:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
It seems more like hooks and her friend paid for first-class tickets, but the airline made an error and issued hook's friend a coach ticket. Indeed, the article says hooks did possess a first-class ticket, and they both uprated at the same time. Seems hook's friend should have at least had an apology from the airline and a refund of any money or miles used to upgrade. In any case, is this "drama" really worth raking someone over the coals for? I agree it should be in the text as "controversy" for it raises questions to her character and was written about by an eminent individual, but it seems liek it's hogging an inordinate amount of space. Surely she must have attracted OTHER criticism; criticism that is related to her ideology. No tats with second-wave feminists? No OTHER critiques by right-wing ideologues?
--[[Special:Contributions/128.119.16.147|128.119.16.147]] ([[User talk:128.119.16.147|talk]]) 06:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


:Actually, I think the article currently does a really good job at handling her name. Both "Watkins" and "hooks" appear in both the first sentence and the infobox, as is appropriate. Otherwise, she is only referred to as Watkins in the Early Life section, with the article switching to using hooks at the point of her adoption of the pen name and then consistently using hooks after that. All this strikes me as for the best, including for readability. [[User:CAVincent|CAVincent]] ([[User talk:CAVincent|talk]]) 05:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
== hooks's thoughts ==


== Corrupted link ==
The following section was removed with the note we could not get inside hooks's head. I disagree. As a thinker, essayist and writer, what she publishes '''''is''''' inside her head. The problem is that this section was unsourced, either to her or an mainstream source about her. I think if we can source this section, we can keep it.
<blockquote>
Hooks believes that in order for the feminist perspective to make a difference in the world, feminists must return to their original positive grassroots efforts. She believes that most feminist thinkers and theorists today do their work in an University elite setting ; consequently, their work is written in highly academic language not readily understood by those who have not completed post-secondary education. She believes this type of language is evident in the works she herself produced during the first half of her career; furthermore, she endeavors to return feminism to its roots by striving to write her works in accessible language to all.
</blockquote>


In citation #42 —The link to article “What bell hooks taught me” is corrupted. [[User:Mlh414|Mlh414]] ([[User talk:Mlh414|talk]]) 15:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
--[[User:Knulclunk|Knulclunk]] 11:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:What she publishes is not in her head. It is on paper. We can write about that. We can say that her writing touches on certain subjects, or that she advocates certain perspectives, as evidenced in her works. We cannot write about what she thinks or believes, because we cannot observe that. [[User:Andyparkerson|Andyparkerson]] 14:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


:{{Done}} Fixed using an archive link. Thank you for reporting this. [[User:StefenTower|<span style="color: green;">'''Stefen <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Tower<sub>s among the rest!</sub></span>'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:StefenTower|Gab]] • [[Special:Contributions/StefenTower|Gruntwerk]]</sup> 02:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I can agree to that.--[[User:Knulclunk|Knulclunk]] 02:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


== "Bell hooks" or "bell hooks" ==
You can find citations for hooks' above noted views in several of her works, e.g. Feminism is for Everybody. I don't have a page citation with me or I would provide it. From a wiki reader (I am not generally involved in editing and don't know how you typically sign these things).


I understand the name is in lowercase. However, the image captions "bell hooks in October 2014", "bell hooks in 2009" and et cetera seem confusing.
== npov ==
this article is full of non-npov statements and bias against anyone who disagrees with bell hooks. its full of "Weasel words" (for example the criticism section before i removed it, if you take a look it just plainly states that the man she wanted to kill had recieved preferential treatment, which is just one example of non-npov) someone who isn't a bigot probably should fix this article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.25.115.99|76.25.115.99]] ([[User talk:76.25.115.99|talk]]) 02:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Shouldn't "Bell" be capitalized simply because it is the first word in the sentence, regardless of stylization? <br />— [[User:Urropean|Urro]]<sup>[[User_talk:Urropean|<nowiki>[</nowiki>''talk''<nowiki>]</nowiki>]][[Special:Contributions/Urropean|<nowiki>[</nowiki>''edits''<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]</sup> ⋮ 17:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
== photo ==


:It seems to me that her name should be in lowercase even when it starts a sentence. A lot of other writings that use her name (such as her obituaries) opt to still start sentences with an all lowercase "bell hooks". — [[User:Toothlesswalrus|Toothlesswalrus]] ([[User talk:Toothlesswalrus|talk]]) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Don't misplace the old picture, because this one will surly be tagged NFC before long. --[[User:Knulclunk|Knulclunk]] 14:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wikipedia policy as per [[MOS:PERSONAL]] is quite clear on the matter, as is long-established consensus on the pages of other persons with names stylized in all-lowercase (cf. [[k.d. lang]], [[danah boyd]], [[maia arson crimew]]).
::On a more abstract note, while Wikipedia depends on reliable secondary sources for facts (e.g. "bell hooks' name is stylized in all lowercase"), attempting to make it dependent on such sources for ''style'' would be a massive headache, given the wide variety- and inconsistent usage- of standards and conventions of style. American vs English spelling conventions are quite enough without opening up equivalent headaches for capitalization, punctuation, and spacing. Anything that ''can'' be a wiki-wide standard ''should'' be, for the sake of both editor workload complexity and reader experience consistency.
::[[User:Thepsyborg|Thepsyborg]] ([[User talk:Thepsyborg|talk]]) 18:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarity! <br />— [[User:Urropean|Urro]]<sup>[[User_talk:Urropean|<nowiki>[</nowiki>''talk''<nowiki>]</nowiki>]][[Special:Contributions/Urropean|<nowiki>[</nowiki>''edits''<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]</sup> ⋮ 23:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Additional section on hooks' Buddhist beliefs

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I noticed that there is no mention of hook's buddhist beliefs and its influence on her life. I plan on fleshing out an entire section about her journey and experience with Buddhism as well as the specific influence it’s had on her life and her work. Buddhist thought has influenced and shown up in many of her academic and activist work. I will also include details of her identity as a Black Buddhist and its importance in her writing and personal life. I will use the article “bell hooks, Black Feminist Thought, and Black Buddhism: A tribute” [1]as well as hooks' interview with Helen Tworkov from 1992 to detail hooks’ discovery and incorporation of Buddhist theories.[2]


Beabeets (talk) 04:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Medine, Carolyn M. Jones Medine. “bell hooks, Black Feminist Thought, and Black Buddhism: A Tribute.” Journal of World Philosophies. 7 (Summer 2022): 187-196.
  2. ^ Tworkov, Helen. “Agent of Change.” Tricycle, 15 Dec. 2021, https://tricycle.org/magazine/bell-hooks-buddhism/.

Consistency

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The article switches from referring to her as Watkins, to referring to her as hooks. It looks really sloppy and inconsistent. We need to pick one and stick to it for the whole article. Jozsefs (talk) 11:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think the article currently does a really good job at handling her name. Both "Watkins" and "hooks" appear in both the first sentence and the infobox, as is appropriate. Otherwise, she is only referred to as Watkins in the Early Life section, with the article switching to using hooks at the point of her adoption of the pen name and then consistently using hooks after that. All this strikes me as for the best, including for readability. CAVincent (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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In citation #42 —The link to article “What bell hooks taught me” is corrupted. Mlh414 (talk) 15:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Fixed using an archive link. Thank you for reporting this. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Bell hooks" or "bell hooks"

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I understand the name is in lowercase. However, the image captions "bell hooks in October 2014", "bell hooks in 2009" and et cetera seem confusing.

Shouldn't "Bell" be capitalized simply because it is the first word in the sentence, regardless of stylization?
— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮ 17:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that her name should be in lowercase even when it starts a sentence. A lot of other writings that use her name (such as her obituaries) opt to still start sentences with an all lowercase "bell hooks". — Toothlesswalrus (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia policy as per MOS:PERSONAL is quite clear on the matter, as is long-established consensus on the pages of other persons with names stylized in all-lowercase (cf. k.d. lang, danah boyd, maia arson crimew).
On a more abstract note, while Wikipedia depends on reliable secondary sources for facts (e.g. "bell hooks' name is stylized in all lowercase"), attempting to make it dependent on such sources for style would be a massive headache, given the wide variety- and inconsistent usage- of standards and conventions of style. American vs English spelling conventions are quite enough without opening up equivalent headaches for capitalization, punctuation, and spacing. Anything that can be a wiki-wide standard should be, for the sake of both editor workload complexity and reader experience consistency.
Thepsyborg (talk) 18:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarity!
— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮ 23:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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