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==Why do you like her?==
I've never understood the fascination with, or why so many people like Nevada-tan. She's a murderer, and that's that. Sickos = bad.


::I don't quite understand it either. But people seem to like the macabre. Though honestly, the Nevada-tan case is too macabre for me. It's horrible how people have glorified a murder committed by a preteen girl who is emotionally unstable. I feel awful for her and the girl she killed.[[User:Feiriri|Feiriri]] [[User_talk:Feiriri|(talk)]] 23:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

::Some feel sorry for her. The fact that she was made fun of lead to the murder so people feel bad about her as she was pushed into doing it. Of course, I don't really believe that (and she doesn't either, to be honest) but it's just some people's opinion. I feel bad for both girls involved.

It is much like any other serial killer worshipping in the states for the likes of Charles Manson or Ted Bundy. The problem here is that there's an obvious tack-on for loli and hentai because of her interest in guro. Either way, it makes my skin crawl.

:There's a difference between -liking- someone and being -fascinated- by them. The bizarre idea of a young-girl-murderer is even more fascinating than most weird sickos, therefore people pay attention to it. It's not like anyone's endorsing the concept any more than they would be for drawing funny pictures of hitler in a tutu. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/64.122.208.51|64.122.208.51]] ([[User talk:64.122.208.51|talk]]) 17:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==Image deletion==

There is a discussion on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#November 30]] on whether we should delete the picture. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 17:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:No longer accessible. --[[User:WCityMike|WCityMike]] 02:24, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
::Anyway, after reading up on [[Japanese copyright law]], I placed a notice in the image description. Someone ought to make a template for that... --[[User:Paul Soth|Paul Soth]] 06:31, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, how can we get at least a caricature up? If you don't know what she looks like, then even the description is kind of vague. [[User:ForestAngel|ForestAngel]] ([[User talk:ForestAngel|talk]]) 08:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

=="Believed to be"==

I have a problem with the phrase "Believed to be". In short, it needs attribution. Who believes? [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] 06:17, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

=="at the time this entry is being written"==

Does that phrase make sense in the Wiki medium?
:It is allowed but it's better to use "present day". [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 22:58, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== "-Tan"? ==

I have a problem with "Nevada-Tan", or at least the "-Tan" part of it. Considering that Japanese honorifics are usually written in lower case, shouldn't this be "Nevada-tan" (it's even used at one point in the article itself).

This is also borne out by the fact that a standard was already set in place for this on Wikipedia as well: the [[OS-tan]]s. Considering that ME-tan, XP-tan, 2K-tan, et al, are already in this format, it would stand to reason that the article should be Nevada-tan vice Nevada-Tan. [[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 14:50, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I moved the page, since noone opposed. The names in the article should be edited to reflect the capitalization of the title. [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue]] [[User_talk:Lachatdelarue|(talk)]] 14:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

==Link Deletion==
Removed "* [http://www.asahi.com/english/opinion/TKY200409180144.html EDITORIAL: The tragedy in Sasebo] ''Asahi,'' September 18, 2004." as the Asahi Shimbun/Daily Asahi no longer has the article up on its English sites. If anyone has a mirror to it, perhaps this could be redirected there.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 13:29, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
* Adding the Google mirror of the article. --[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 23:27, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== a few questions ==

"Nevada-tan is an Internet meme character that began appearing in the wake of a Japanese news story. An 11-year-old schoolgirl was charged with the murder of a classmate on June 1, 2004 by slitting her throat and arms with a box cutter at an elementary school in Sasebo, Japan."

#Was June 1 the day that the girl was charged with murder? Or was it the day of the murder?
**June 1 was the date of the murder, as per several news reports.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
#What is the date of the first known appearance of Nevada-tan?
**Nevada-tan appeared sometime within the first or second week of June. I haven't been able to pin down an exact date yet, as most of the entries from 2ch and Futaba Channel are inacessible to non-Japanese, and most of the stuff on 4Chan is already gone. Will continue to look into this until a date (or at least a closer approximation of the week) can be pinpointed.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
***June 5, or earlier. [http://wakaba.c3.cx/tools/timestamp.pl This] might help. (filenames like "1086478484059" are unix timestamps.) -[[User:Asciic|asciic]] 23:22, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 05:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
****Many people were befriending her "LiveJournal" account on June 4 (as the archive of it shows), so I suppose that's when it turned from a news story into a meme. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] ([[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]) 17:26, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== memetic terminology ==

As I have posted on various other discussion pages (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Meme), I don't think we should use memetic terminology in articles not directly concerned with memetics. I think it violates the NPoV because it's yet to be seen whether memetics is a proto-science or a pseudo-science, and by using unnecessary memetic terminology we are tacitly endorsing meme theory. As I've said, on E-Philosopher we're still debating memetics (see http://www.ephilosopher.com/phpBB_14-action-viewforum-forum-4.html), and even on this website actually, memetics is listed among [[Creationism]], [[Astrology]], and [[Intelligent Design]] on the [[List of alternative, speculative and disputed theories]]. Therefore, any memetic term not directly concerned with memetics or meme theory is a violation of the NPoV and ought to be deleted.
[[User:63.236.244.241|63.236.244.241]] 13:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
*However, even if incorrectly, the term "meme" does apply to things such as this (another example would be the [[All your base are belong to us]] "meme", as the term has been in use for some time (the earliest I can remember "meme" used in conjunction was in the mid-90s). Perhaps a seperate article for "Internet meme" should be created. --[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 17:35, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
::What information is there in calling Nevada-tan a meme? I don't know anything about memes except that they are ideas that spread around, but then every cartoon character is a meme. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 10:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
:::To extend your arguement, what is the purpose of calling an orange an orange? The color came first, and the fruit was named after it, yet they share a link. Yes, the concept of the internet meme is slightly different than that of the other memes, but just because there's been an evolutionary branch made in the language that fits this new term (it's been around long enough that it's not a neologism), that's no reason to cry foul for the usage. Nevada-tan, like Zero-wing references, "...in Russia (blank) YOU" and other net memes are still memes. Just a different meaning of the word. --[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 13:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

No you weren't extending his argument, you were making a straw man out of it.

I think Jitse had a good point (if I understood him correctly) in pointing out the useless and unnecessary nature of the term. Why call it a meme. Why not instead call it a picture which has popped up all over the internet. A neologism should be judged by it's usefullness in conveying meaning, and a meme is so vague it could mean most anything.

I'll show you what I mean by shoehorning (as I've called what I've heard people defending meme theory say.) It's really just circular reasoning. They'll say something that is widely circulated is a meme. You ask them why it's meme, they'll say because it's widely circulated! Well, what couldn't it be then? They say it's a 'unit of imitation' which could be anything.[[User:Maprovonsha172|Maprovonsha172]] 23:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
::Thank you, Maprovonsha, for explaining with far more clarity what I wanted to say. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 23:51, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

::The word is in the [[Merriam-Webster]] Dictionary. It is not a "neologism" - as I posted elsewhere, the dictionary defines "meme" as "an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture." Clearly, this is not POV nor is it useless or unnecessary. It is widely accepted and known as a term that refers to spreading phenomena on the Internet, which "Nevada-tan" is. I am reverting again. --[[User:FCYTravis|FCYTravis]] 20:13, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Thank you, FCYTravis, for saying what I've been trying to come with a way of explaining all day. And to Maprovonsha and Jitse, I don't think any of us are here to start a pissing contest about everything "meme". It's just that the word meme in reference to its internet use has been around long enough that it's not a neologism and should be realized as such. Again, not trying to step on anyone's toes, just trying to do the best possible job on this article. --[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 20:27, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::I agree with most of what FCYTravis says: ''meme'' is not a neologism and the term does have its uses. However, it seems that you reserve the term ''Internet meme'' for ideas that have spread widely on the Internet. Is this correct? I understood from [[meme]] that a meme is any idea that could possibly spread; in fact, a meme may not spread at all, or it may spread to a couple of people but not catch on. In particular, calling Neveda-tan a meme does not imply that it has popped up all over the net. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 21:08, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Okay, I'm going to propose this idea, which I hope will shut the door on this thing that I'm sure we're all sick of taking about. ^_^;;; When I rewrote the article, there was a sentence from one of the analysis documents that referred to Nevada as a "mascot for [[EroGuro|guro]]". Since that definition fits well (she does pop up a lot in internet guro imageboards), I propose we change the sentence to read "...an Internet [[mascot]] character....". That should meet everyone's thoughts on this, hopefully, and we can bicker about the use of "Internet meme" in other fashions. ^_^ --[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 22:50, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

== Peer Review ==

I don't see anything wrong with the article. You did a good job of merging the Satomi Mitarai and Nevada-tan articles, as well as listing down some information I hadn't put earlier. I would say that it still requires a definitive date for the first appearance of the meme, as well as a DOB for Mitarai, if at all possible. I haven't seen anything else lately on Girl A, so I've nothing to add there, though I'm considering doing an article on the Tochigi Mental Health Institution, considering its links to Girl A, Sakakibara and others.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 15:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Broken Links==

[http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=312033 http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=312033]
- requested item is unavailable

[http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=44426&format=text http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=44426&format=text]
-article expired or archived off the site

what to do???

:Looks like both articles expired. The Japan today one can be completely removed; they don't archive their stuff and they meta to prevent caches for some bizarre reason. The Boston Herald one can probably be found on a Google cache of the page.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 28 June 2005 14:23 (UTC)

:: cheers, i replaced the japantoday one with a washington post one that covers the hikimori stuff. BUT i can't find any other news sources apart from the removed bostonherald one that confirm this sentence: ''September 15, 2004, a Japanese Family Court ruled to institutionalize "Girl A", putting aside her young age because of the severity of the crime. "Girl A" was sent to a reformatory in Tochigi prefecture''

Where can i reference this?

:I'll see if I can find a cache. In the meanwhile, I just found a treasure trove of articles [http://news.surfwax.com/worldcities/files/Sasebo_Japan.html here] that might be able to help you. Some of them are gone already, but a lot of them are on the Japan Times site, which never pulls its articles. Another place you might want to look for that missing phrase is on the offsite in-depth analysis, as the author of that pulled from several US articles on the attack and that phrase might be located there.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 28 June 2005 16:57 (UTC)

==Translation of japaese article==

i include this worldlingo'd translation of the japanese wikipedia entry for reference (provides some more details than the english article):

It is the incident where Nagasaki small 6 girl classmate murder
incidents (length to come, - to do, the ょ う ろ く - the じ ょ
じ - how to come, ゅ う consequence - the Tsuga to be, - the じ
け it is), 2004 June 1st in the afternoon, in elementary school of
Nagasaki prefecture Sasebo city, in the girl of the classmate it can
sculpt the 6th grade woman child with the cutter knife, dies. It was
the murder case by the woman child of the elementary school student,
furthermore the school was the stage, big impact and the ripple were
thrown to the world.
The victim girl everyday was as for cause of death the daughter of
newspaper Sasebo branch manager, abundant bleeding with being cut the
neck with the cutter knife was. At the education scientific ministry
conversation this incident as a Nagasaki prefecture Sasebo city woman
child murder incident concerning this is announced.

Table of contents [ non indication ]
Lapse of 1 incident
Reaction of 2 societies
The problem speech by 3 politicians
Movement with 4 nets
Judgement of 5 Family Courts
6 related items
Link outside 7
[ Compilation ]

Lapse of incident

They were the relations where crime the girl and the victim
who do manage the web sight mutually, with the personal computer write
in the kyat and the bulletin board. Concerning the motive of crime,
the girl has listed the fact that the contents which slander body
feature in the bulletin board and the like on the web sight are
written. But, the third party who knows the assault girl well does not
feel, speaking objectively, completely, you speak that it is not
recognized, there is that kind of body feature e.g., with.
Circumstances of the incident day which future knows are according to
reporting as follows.
After calling to the study room where crime was done, closing the
curtain, making the floor sit down, it hid the eye by the hand and was
accustomed to cutting the neck. The scar of the neck of the victim
reaches depth approximately ten centimeters (thickness of neck of
normal adult at diameter about 13 - 15cm), and length approximately
ten centimeters calls to the shell of the hand, that the extent where
the bone is visible there was a deep scar. It is thought that cutting
after attaching, it was found, that the child approximately 15 minutes
has been restricted to actual place, verified that you die.
From the fact that it is the scene which with the television drama
which was seen in eve murders the person with the cutter knife, after
that, each TV station broadcast of homicide drama became also the
situation which practices self-control. In addition, the girl of the
assailant was devoted, also influence to incident is pointed out to
partly due to the fact that it is the scene which is similar "battle
ロワイアル".
In addition, in the victim family and the school authorized personnel,
in the emergency soldier "of PTSD" it became a state where you can see
the sign of "disaster stress".

[ Compilation ]

Reaction of society

As for unique point of at this incident,
The point which is murder of the child, by the child in
elementary school campus
The point which is the familiar knife, is the murder by the
cutter knife
The point which trouble on Internet is making one of motive
It is possible to collect to 3 largely. Furthermore, the
brutal crime by the elementary school student occurs often even so far
(external link reference). In addition, it does not mean that also the
brutal crime due to the woman boy is unusual. Simply, recently it had
decreased, plain harmful act such as campus violence with the group.
Same as the time before, the nineties latter half? As much as 2000 age
first half, the brutal incident in the Konaka school which makes the
Kobe continual child killing and wounding incident and Ikeda child
child killing and wounding incident typical occurs, on education site
plan in order to prevent the penetration of the public person should
be taken from viewpoint of child protection, when, the educator
guardians reached the point where you insist. On the other hand, this
way either criticism and the anxiety for the school which it closes
converts are not little. But in at this incident it is not the
outsider, with the murder behavior inside the school, in the point, at
the same time the assailant victim classmate, there is trembling on of
site concerning incident.
In addition the communication expedient due to the network, Internet
already having filtered into also the elementary school student
widely, at this incident impressed strongly. The NEC to sell the
micro-computer for home on the seventies end, predominating one world,
approximately 35 years. It is the personal computer which is
generalized completely, but as for correspondence to the information
orientation education with the utilization of computer Internet which
on education site just started and in the time and the like of
comprehensive study, it became the shape which is accustomed to
piercing one topic promptly. There is also a voice which was propelled
Mori Nobuo Cabinet at that time, points out hasty of generally known
"e-Japan conception".

[ Compilation ]

The problem speech by the politician

Assuming, that June 4th and happy one Cabinet prefecture
special life charge Minister of State Inoue concerning this incident
because "the kana which is the thing where the vigorous woman became
many," etc. you spoke, it has deviated from the essence of problem, it
poured criticism. Receiving this speech, Tanigaki 禎 one financial
affairs minister of state June 5th, Okayama city and in the lecture of
each one with the political financial party of foreign-affairs
secondary Minister of State Ichiro Aizawa ", as for the kind of crime
which cuts the carotid artery with the cutter knife, former times it
was crime of the man", "arson that how you say, when if anything,
spoke the kind of nuance where type of crime has been decided crime of
the woman" etc. by sex poured criticism similarly. As for the number
of women who serve time with respect to statistics, with the crime of
arson 2000 age and with the sixties being less than the man together
has been ascertained.

[ Compilation ]

Movement with net

Don't you think? enormous bulletin board system 2 with the
る, as an assailant of at this incident

==Nevada-tan's real name==

Where does Wikipedia stand on ethics and stuff? =) If her real name has been revealed, should it be in the article? [[User:Sippan|Sippan]] 22:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
:It's a tough question. There was a similar discussion on whether to include the photograph [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion&oldid=8275377#November_30 here]. Opinions were fairly evenly divided. A more general discussion, also inconclusive, is at [[Wikipedia:Divulging personal details]]. I think that adding her real name adds so little information to the article that her right to privacy is more important. My impression from the article is that this agrees with the general opinion in Japan (please correct me if I'm wrong here). -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 23:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
::Personally, I added the information about her real name being revealed, because that's newsworthy. Aside from that, her parents (and Satomi's family) have had enough hell without us inadvertently triggering any problems caused by potential western freakshows based on all this. And Jitse, you're absolutely right regarding the privacy thing. Pictures are one thing, sinc it could be anyone, but adding the name to it is too far. I say we mention the name has been revealed and go no further; if you even want to remove the reference page that I listed, it's fine by me.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 01:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
:::Additionally, it is illegal to reveal the name of a minor offender even if it has already been revealed. While Wikipedia is would almost certainly not get into any legal troubles from doing so, there is no reason why it should violate a given country's law when it stands to gain so little from doing so. - [[User:67.172.124.99|67.172.124.99]] 07:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Put it in. This is not Japanese Wikipedia and isn't bound by Japanese law. I never understood their logic of protecting criminals and then blathering the names of innocent victims everywhere. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 05:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Then consider her '''parents''', who '''are''' innocent, or that of the Mitarais, who probably do not feel happy (to massively understate things) about the whole situation being brought up time and time again. Yes, Nevada-tan is admittedly guilty of murder by her own words, but she is still legally a child, and is still entitled to certain rights both nationally and internationally by laws and standards.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 12:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::I do not necessarily consider the her parents innocent. And, there have been nothing from the Mitarai's about wanting their daughter's killer's name withheld. It's newsworthy and belongs here. This isn't Japan and their laws do not apply to English Wikipedia. Just like Mohammed's picture ''should'' be shown, so should Nevada-tan's name. Besides, other Japanese minor murderers' names have been revealed here.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Kamisaku] [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 02:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Exactly why is mentioning the name newsworthy, and more importantly, encyclopaedic? Even though Japanese laws do not apply (assuming they don't), they do give a hint on public opinion in Japan, which is a strong argument to follow them. And please do not use misleading edit summaries. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 11:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::An interesting note: Though Nevada-tan's real name is not listed anywhere on her own page, it is (at the time of this posting) listed on Wikipedia, on the [[Sakakibara]] page (along with his real name as well). I just thought that odd, which is why I stumbled into here to see what you all thought about mentioning her name, and to maybe bring its existance in the Sakakibara article to your attention. [[User:Protocoi|Protocoi]] 03:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I just removed it from there. Please read [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]]: the names must not be added without reliable sources. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 04:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

== Move to [[Sasebo Slashing]]? ==

This article is primarily about the murder of one Japanese girl by another, and the discussion of Nevada-tan as a fictional character is minimal. Shouldn't it therefore be moved to [[Sasebo Slashing]] or something similar? [[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 11:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:I strongly disagree. The "Sasebo Slashing" seems to be about the actual event itself, not the whole that surrounds the case. For that, most people, both in Japan and here, seem to refer to the "Nevada-tan" or "Nevada-girl" case. Besides, there's already a precedent: the murders that took place in Kobe in the late 90s aren't known as the "Kobe Killing", although the specific murder of [[Jun Hase]] is; most people are more likely to recall the actual name of the killer, [[Sakakibara]]. There is also the fact that most people outside of Japan who will remember any "Sasebo Slashing" may recall the incident in which a US Sailor assigned to a ship that stopped at Naval Station Sasebo slashed to death a woman in the park across the street vice the death of Satomi Mitarai. In the end, I think it's better left where is, though perhaps we should separate the [[Satomi Mitarai]] article from here again and move the factual events there, with information on the Internet meme to remain here.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 12:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::That's my major complaint. The leader to the article says that Nevada-tan is an internet meme, then goes on to describe in detail real-world events. Granted, it does discuss the meme part a bit, but the real-world stuff is more of the overall focus in my opinion. So, some possible solutions might be: 1) Rename the article to something more generic ([[Sasebo Slashing]] was just one suggestion, another might be [[Nevada-tan incident]]); 2) Reword the introduction to say that "Nevada-tan" is the name by which the killer is known, not just an "internet meme". The article then falls into the same category as [[Son of Sam]] or [[Jack the Ripper]]; 3) Split the article into two. I don't think the last is a good idea; the article holds together pretty well as is; it just has a misleading focus in the beginning. Keep in mind that the sum total of my knowledge on this incident comes from Wikipedia; I'm sure there are facts or solutions I'm overlooking. [[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 13:05, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:::Then the beginning should be reworded both to address your concerns as well as the fact that (I suspect) the meme will be the thing long remembered years after Girl A gets out of the institution.--[[User:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]] 16:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::::hi, made some edits in line with the above, hope its ok [[User:Niz|Niz]] 19:15, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:::::That works nicely; thanks. [[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 01:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
In Japan Wikipedia, this article is called "6th Grade Sasebo Slashing" or something like that. Of course Japanese Wikipedia is much smaller and article names are frequently decided arbitrarily over there. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] ([[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]) 02:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is not Japan, and the name will go back. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 02:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

==Real appearance?==
More of curiosity than anything, but considering that the only official image released was a grainy class photograph, has anyone else wondered as to what she really looked like? It seems like every site Google digs up on her either has the same image or one of questionable authenticity. Take [http://www.nndb.com/people/219/000062033/ this] for instance. Cute as that is, it doesn't really seem to match the other images that are in more widespread circulation. [[User:CABAL|CABAL]] 17:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
*it's said that http://www.shrinemaiden.com/NEVADA_Artwork/sa1854.jpg is her- I personally don't know what to believe. But yes, the class photo is the only official one we know of. Also:
::"While producing the album, school officials took extra care to prevent photos of the assailant from being leaked to outsiders. They received the girl's photo on a CD and printed out the snapshots at the school. The CD was then destroyed, they said."
from a news article, http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200503290153.html, now dead link. '''[[User:Humblefool|humble]]'''[[User talk:Humblefool|fool]][[Special:Randompage|&reg;]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Deletion reform|Deletion Reform]]</sup> 05:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
== Hikikomori ==

Could the fascination with the killing and ''Girl A'' not be linked to sympathy towards sufferers of Hikikomori. I think this is an important aspect of the obssession. i don't think it can be compared to Jack The Ripper or just a general fascination with gore. Makrugaik 8 December 2005
:You're looking at it from an eastern view if you're thinking hikikomori, which the grand majority of the western world is largely unaware of. I guarantee they're looking at it from a "fascination with death"/Jack the Ripper standpoint here in the west. --<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font><font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Could this article include in [[Wikipedia:Unusual articles]]? [[User:L-Zwei|L-Zwei]] 12:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:yes it could [[User:Zzzzz|Zzzzz]] 17:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== Name & Slight Error ==

If her name was leaked / discovered; why isn't it mentioned in this article? I don't believe it to be illegal to show her name, even if it hasn't officially been announced. ALso, the very first paragraph is a little confusing (in the summary of the crime section) -- the article states that Girl A returned to her classroom after lunch, after the murder. The next line states that the teacher found out that they were both missing. She couldn't have been missing, since she had returned to her classroom. The rest of the paragraph is also lacking in details and is confusing at times. Has this changed a lot since it's "FEATURED ARTICLE" days, or do they allow these kinds of errors in a featured article? Maybe it should be reverted to it's original Feature Article state?
*You might want to read [[Talk:Nevada-tan#Nevada-tan's real name|the relevant section above]] as well as [[Wikipedia:Divulging personal details|this page]]. There are multiple reasons as to why her name should not be divulged, some of which might be legally binding. While WP is about facts, it is not a catch-all for every single bit of information, and her name is one of those bits of data that most of the editors here agree should not be a part of this article.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 20:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

== "Nevada" actually "University of Nevada"? ==

I'm surprised that no one has yet noticed that the hoodie appears to be one from the University of Nevada Reno, especially because of the collegiate typeface and blue coloration. I'm sure [http://store.fansonly.com/marketplace/store_contents.cfm?cart_id=0201442397810111897100975356720060505&store_id=145&dept_id=1769&product_id=42821 this is it], or at least an earlier version of it (due to the curve in the lettering, which I think was dropped not too long ago). I don't know if this necessarily belongs in the article, but it certainly is more descriptive and accurate than just "Nevada".
:Yes, it's a reference to the University of Nevada. You'll note that a store carrying the sweater had brisk sales, then suddenly stopped; that was like the point at which the store was notified for the grisly reasons behind the hot sales.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 12:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
::I can confirm that it is indeed a UNR sweatshirt. I actually have one of those myself somewhere. --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 06:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Victim's name and photo hasn't anything to do with "Nevada-tan" ==

There seems to be an error with the victim's one. According to this news page [http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/archive/news/2005/06/20050608p2g00m0fe016000c.html], the photo and name belongs to a 7 years girl who was hijacked and killed by a sadistic man, and hasn't anything to do with "Nevada-tan"'s case. Perhaps someone who understands japanese should verify that on another sources. [[User:Pelayo|Pelayo]] 06:59, 19 May 2006 (GMT)

Edit: according to this article from the same news site [http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/archive/news/2005/06/20050608p2g00m0fe019000c.html], it's the same girl. Anyone knows which article is wrong? I think the girl looked more like 12, but the article should feature verified information. [[User:Pelayo|Pelayo]] 07:14, 19 May 2006 (GMT)
:The article/photo link is messed up. The girl in the photo is Mitarai, as I'm the one who found said picture on an article. However, bear in mind that the article text is dicussing a death in Nara, which is a substantial distance away from Sasebo - it's like showing a picture of a girl who died in Los Angeles on an article detailing a death in Seattle.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' </font>'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 12:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

== Why the Inconsistencies Among the "Fans"? ==

If anyone is familiar with the fans of this internet phenomenon, they'll understand that the only thing needed to define Nevada-tan is that the character in the drawing must be a girl; nothing more. Not the color of her hair, not her assumed age, not even the presence of a box-cutter or blood is required. If you draw any random girl and claim she is Nevada-tan, then she is Nevada-tan. Why is this so?

:Well, out all the Nevada-tan pictures I have seen, her short hair and her trademark Nevada-tan hooded sweater are all common between them, assuming the picture shows the torso and head areas.

==Shock and Distrub==
None of the things linked on her site can shock or disturb anyone. Too much hype has bled into this article, and has drawn away from NPOV.

:That may well be the case, but [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nevada-tan&diff=67141762&oldid=65883734 the change you made] was in a quote from the provided reference. Surely, we cannot change what another reference states. I'd appreciate it if you could be more careful in the future. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 03:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

== Release date? ==

I've heard she is supposed to be released very soon!
Either this year or next year, my souce wasn't sure.
Can anyone verify this?
Or does anyone have any details about her sentence?

:[http://nevada.natural20.net/nevada.html This site] says until 2013. --[[User:Kitty the Random|Kitty]] <sup>[[User_talk:Kitty_the_Random|who?]]</sup> 22:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Apparently, she's being released this Friday (Friday 25th September.).

Where did you get this information? I'd be interested to see it.
[[User:66.21.220.143|66.21.220.143]] 02:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

:http://www.nishinippon.co.jp/nnp/national/20060907/20060907_091.shtml

Hmm, we can't get an English version? Either way, she was too young to be imprisoned for life for this, and if she is getting better and not likely to do this again (and is monitored), then she should be released. Still, she will have to live with what she did for the rest of her life.

(Though, there seems to be a dearth of information referencing her release.)
[[User:66.21.220.143|66.21.220.143]] 00:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Disturbing pornography. ==

The link to the archive containing Nevada images (http://www.shrinemaiden.com/NEVADA_Artwork/) contains violent pornography of a disturbing nature, that might well be illegal in certain jurisdictions. I suggest removal or giving the users a fair warning about the link.

[[User:85.226.239.61|85.226.239.61]] 22:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

:Fair enough. I looked at some images, but didn't find any pornography, so I added a toned-down warning. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::Umm... Clearly pornography: http://www.shrinemaiden.com/NEVADA_Artwork/1086484338657.png [[User:Em-El|Em-El]] 21:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:::with the warning, I beieve it to be fair[[User:EAB|EAB]] 05:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

'''DEAD LINK'''

The links provided on this section are all ''DEAD''.

[[Special:Contributions/88.105.88.93|88.105.88.93]] ([[User talk:88.105.88.93|talk]]) 08:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:I removed the {{tl|npov}} and {{tl|tone}} tags you put on the article, because it's not clear in what respect the article is biased or has the wrong tone. Please explain why you put these tags on the article. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 09:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


== Illustration ==
== Asperger's diagnosis ==


The Japanese version of this article states thus:
Is there any public domain images to illustrate Nevada-tan? An imageless GA article seems awkward. Also, why there isn't content telling what penalty did the murderer receive? [[User:Wooyi|Wooyi]] 04:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:To my knowledge, no, since copyright terms in Japan are 50 years (for now). [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 03:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


:"加害女児は事件後、収容先の自立支援施設でアスペルガー症候群と診断されている[15]。"
== The sweater ==
[[Image:Nevada Sweater.JPG|250px|thumb]]
As a Reno native, I own a sweater similar to the one worn by Nevada-tan. If you guys want to use this picture of it, go ahead. It's not the exact same, but hopefully it helps. --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 20:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


:"After this case, the perpetrator girl while in the institutional facility was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome."
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The Japanese text references a book written by journalist Atsuko Kusanagi titled (in English) ''Tracked down! The Case of the Homicide by a Sasebo Elementary 6th Grade Girl of Her Peer'', which I do not have access to.
[[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] 10:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


How should we incorporate this information into the English Wikipedia? --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 07:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The reasons:
:Are you sure thats a real book? I doesnt register a hit on WorldCat, google books or amazon.-- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 22:39, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:The book is real; the title above is the translated version, but the book is in Japanese. ISBN: 4062130416 -- [[User:Lostparabola|Lostparabola]] ([[User talk:Lostparabola|talk]]) 01:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


: I got the book and can verify the diagnosis. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 21:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
1) Article contains too many claims without citations. Some of these claims are rumors, which are difficult to corroborate. I put appropriate tags into the article.
::If there is only one source mentioning it, per BLP I think we should not. The diagnosis doesnt seem to have played any active role in what happened or the reaction. If her lawyers go on to use that diagnosis for later legal recourse- like expungement - or if it becomes a standard addition to criminal defense/prosecution to do mental health checks and this case is cited as the reason, ''then'' probably we should. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 22:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Found another source that confirms it (emphasis added): "藤本氏は「今回の事件（高1女子殺害事件）にあてはまるかどうかは分かりませんが…」と、前置きしながらも'''「彼女（小6女児同級生殺害事件の加害者）が『アスペルガー障害（本来はアスペルガー症候群）』という事実が分かってきた」とコメントし'''、高1女子殺害事件にも同様の可能性があることを指摘した。"(translated; "Tetsuya Fujimoto commented that he understood it was true that the killer in the case of the elementary 6th grade girl who killed her classmate has Asperger's disorder (originally Asperger syndrome)." http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/9089239/


:::--[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 22:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
2) The words "Satomi Mitarai", "Sasebo Slashing" and "Girl A" should be unbolded.


Also, when I read the Japanese Wikipedia, I got the sense her fixations on ''[[Battle Royale]]'', a novel about students who are stranded on an island with weapons or other items and told that only the last one to survive would get to leave, and other morbid subjects often involving death and gore, and her problems with communication helped lead to the slashing. According to the Japanese Wikipedia, in the weeks before the murder, she started carrying a knife in her [[randoseru]] and at one point even chased a boy with the knife. I think that once we can get as much information on this page as is on the Japanese Wikipedia, the relevance of the Asperger's diagnosis should be quite apparent. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 22:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
3) Too many one sentence paragraphs. They should be merged.
:We would need reliable sources to be making the connection between the obsession with a movie and a mental health condition and since the mental health issue didnt come up until ''after'' everything else, we would still need a really good reason to include it. We dont really need post hock armchair psychiatrists asserting diagnoses. [[WP:COATRACK]] / [[WP:BLP]]. And we are writing an encyclopedia, not a true crime drama - the amount of details and history we need for a good coverage of the encyclopedic events are pretty limited. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 22:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
::A mere, brief mention that a diagnosis has been given following the murder, per a reliable source, is not [[WP:COATRACK]]:
:::It would be reasonable to include brief information of the background behind a key detail, even if the background has no relevance to the article's topic, as long as such information is used sparingly and does not provide any more explanation than a reasonably knowledgeable reader would require. An article on the anatomical feature Adam's apple could explain the term arose from the biblical character Adam (a regurgitation of the Book of Genesis, or an outline of the full story of original sin would not be necessary).
::Also, please quote the section of [[WP:BLP]] that warns against mentioning this diagnosis. I checked [[WP:BLPSOURCES]] and saw that there was nothing wrong with the addition. The source is a secondary-source book published by a major and reliable Japanese publisher.
::> We dont really need post hock armchair psychiatrists asserting diagnoses.
::I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, since we must assume [[WP:GOODFAITH]], but I found being called an "armchair psychiatrist" to be both inaccurate and insulting. Please do not use such a term again. None of us is playing an "armchair psychiatrist." The diagnosis given is confirmed by a reliable secondary source, which is acceptable per [[WP:BLPSOURCES]]. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 23:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Of course a post hoc diagnosis is [[WP:COATRACK]] - it has zero to do with what made the case notable. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 23:26, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::The reliable source I used seemed to think the matter of the diagnosis was quite relevant, as does the Japanese Wikipedia. Think about it: it isn't like she only started having [[Asperger syndrome]] ''after'' the killing so the diagnosis afterward is ''not'' post hoc, but merely confirmed the existence of something already long present. The reliable secondary source I used mentioned that she was noted to have communication problems and fixations for most of her life leading up to that point and devoted an entire chapter to investigating if she had any psychiatric conditions; in the "Epilogue," she mentioned that she was able to confirm the diagnosis on page 216. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 23:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::While I was not referring to you in the first "armchair psychiatrist" comment (I was referring to the people who would be writing about the potential disease and what it may have had impact on the incident without ever first hand diagnosing the person), you have just now established that you are in fact the armchair psychiatrist attempting a diagnosis. We dont do that, particularly with living people.-- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 02:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Uh, no. I was referring to the the reliable secondary source, which mentioned these issues as having long been present for the girl, which I have related, in accordance with [[WP:BLPSOURCES]]. The source also confirms that she was indeed diagnosed, devoting an entire chapter to trying to confirm the diagnosis; because our reliable secondary source considers the diagnosis relevant, then we at Wikipedia must consider the diagnosis relevant, as well. It is clear that you are now trying to play "gotcha" with the whole "armchair psychiatry" thing, so further discussion will lead us nowhere. You have shown me that much. I WILL maintain the statement and the source in the article. If you remove it, then I ''will'' go to dispute resolution. If you wish to go to dispute resolution yourself, then be my guest, but this discussion is quickly headed nowhere. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 06:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


Please ignore the above post. It is clear, you've got me. You have proven my terribleness and lying nature to the world and that I am nothing more than an armchair psychiatrist. Like the soldiers on a propaganda poster who are knocking down the enemy with righteous anger, so you have been here in opposition so many times to uphold righteousness and to defeat the evil that I may spread. You are a plucky, young fighter who won't let that brainy, delusional monster take over a wonderful article and you have the weight of the truth of the universe behind your back. I can only concede defeat and remove the statement and the source. That source is evil, just like me. So the source should never appear on this Wikipedia page. --[[User:Beneficii|Beneficii]] ([[User talk:Beneficii|talk]]) 07:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
[[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] 10:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


== [[Sasebo schoolgirl murder]] is a duplicate of this article ==
== The band? ==
I was recently looking up the german band [[Nevada Tan (band)|Nevada Tan]], and found no link to or mention of it on this page. It links here, but not vice versa. There probably shouldn't be a disambiguation page, and it doesn't really fit under 'Internet Popularity', how should I add it? [[User:76.205.79.11|76.205.79.11]] 05:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:It has been added and reverted on many occasions. [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 07:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::The band's article was created in July. I think that until that point, the link was always deleted as a lack of notoriety was provided, and the link was red. [[User:Neier|Neier]] 08:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


[[User:Equinox|Equinox]] ([[User talk:Equinox|talk]]) 19:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
''(The comment below was moved here from related section by [[User:XMog|XMog]]. Send complaints [[User_talk:XMog|here]].)''


Apparently not, as they occured on two different dates.
The band called Nevada tan is now called panik, do you think that this should be removed?
--[[User:PWNGWN|PWNGWN]] ([[User talk:PWNGWN|talk]]) 18:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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== External links modified ==
== Interwiki to Japanese Wikipedia ==


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I moved the interlanguage link to the article in Japanese Wikipedia from "interwiki" section to “See also” section. I understand the link does not involve any problem in En:Wikipedia. On the other hand, JAWP has the official policy that it should delete the articles including any personal information of crime/accident victims and of accused person unless the personal information is essential to Encyclopedia. The interlanguage link in ENWP makes bots to create its counter link in JAWP; which lead readers in JAWP to this article and the accused person’s information. I note here that Japanese quality newspapers do not provide the person's name because the accused person is too young. You can find previous discussion at [[Talk:Fusako Sano#Japanese interwiki]]. --[[User:Kurihaya|Kurihaya]] 06:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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: Placing the {{tl|nobots}} template on the page is overkill. This is going to prevent all bots from making any edits to the page, even if those edits have nothing to do with a Japanese interwiki link. There must be some less intrusive means of addressing this issue. --[[User:R'n'B|Russ]] [[User talk:R'n'B|(talk)]] 13:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080705172548/http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20050318a6.html to http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20050318a6.html


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Is it really necessary to have the name inside quotation marks? It is told that it's the name that's used to refer to this girl so I don't think it's required to have quotes every time the name is mentioned. It's just disturbing. [[User:Apoyon|Apoyon]] ([[User talk:Apoyon|talk]]) 10:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


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[http://www.myhomepage.vgocities.net/aoiryuyu/saseboshogakuzansatsu.htm Here] is another Japanese source with all kinds of details about the case (including real names). You guys can decide what (if anything) do do with it. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] ([[User talk:Evan1975|talk]]) 03:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


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I think that 2ch is a crappy source, however due to Fuji TV's fuck up, the name is out there, there is photographic proof and it is pretty reliable.
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080801163316/http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/archives/312/312905.html to http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/archives/312/312905.html
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I have removed the real name, despite still thinking it should be included, while we are resolving this situation.


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:Thanks. I'm sorry that I rolled back your first edit without explaining why; I should know better.
:I admit that this bit of evidence seems not to have been discussed, even though I (and probably others) already knew about it. The first question is how reliable the evidence is. I will assume that the picture clearly reveals the name, but are these really the pictures broadcast by Fuji TV? Probably, but I don't think we can be sufficiently certain. [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources]] says that personal websites are usually not acceptable. The other question is whether we should mention the name even if we decide that we have sufficient evidence. I think it does not add much to the article, but this is probably more controversial.
:But let's first see what others think of it. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


== The killer's name, again ==
::: I would have understood the reason for the roll-back, if I had taken the time to read all of the talk page first, so no problem. I do have one question, is the issue here finding a decent source, or even with a decent source are there still problems? I am 50/50 on this issue, I don't feel that it adds much to reveal her name, however the name along with pictures of her house are already online for people who care to look. I think if I can find a little more information regarding the Fuji TV incident then I would like to at least mention Fuji TVs' role - however if that mention includes her name, I should wait for more opinions, consensus, etc [[User:Sennen goroshi|Sennen goroshi]] ([[User talk:Sennen goroshi|talk]]) 05:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


I just reverted an anonymous user's edits to again add what some believe to be the killer's name, and a partial cite to a book that is claimed to make the connection between this name and Girl A. If the book qualifies as a reliable source then as far as I'm concerned there would be no more objection - the person would have reached the age of majority, and the reliable source would eliminate any verifiability concerns. The edit stated the author was Haruto Sato - I could not locate this author with a Google search. The book was described as being titled Hanzai Kogal. I could not find a book by that title using romaji, or under はんざい Kogal, or 犯罪 Kogal, or はんざい コギャル, or 犯罪 コギャル. It is listed as being published in 2005, at which time Girl A would have been 12 or so. It seems unlikely that the name would have been published in Japan under those conditions. So I'm putting this out there for anyone with knowledge of this book to please give us information to verify it's contents. In the meantime, I'm requesting pending changes protection for the article. [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 18:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
::::: It is starting to look as if no one cares. [[User:Sennen goroshi|Sennen goroshi]] ([[User talk:Sennen goroshi|talk]]) 16:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:I reverted another edit by an anonymous user's same edit left 9 days,which I happened to find.[[User:Paperworkorange|Paperworkorange]] ([[User talk:Paperworkorange|talk]]) 14:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:Another user reverted my revert,but there was no trustworthy source in Japanese media about minor killer's name.I had to revert again because It was harmful.I don't want to commit edit war.[[User:Paperworkorange|Paperworkorange]] ([[User talk:Paperworkorange|talk]]) 04:26, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


== Requested move 7 April 2023 ==
:::::: I don't think there is a problem with mentioning that Fuji TV accidentally revealed her name if you can get a decent source for that (I suspect that this must have been discussed in the Japanese newspapers). I had rather we don't mention the the name ourselves in the article, even if a decent source can be found for it. But that is an issue on which I'm not sure the Wikipedia community agrees.
:::::: I asked for more opinions on [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard]]. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 16:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


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:'''BLP/N response''': I think the name should remain out of the article for BLP concerns. The article states the name is not allowed to be released officially, and a single screw-up should not be perpetuated here. --[[User:FaithF|Faith]] ([[User talk:FaithF|talk]]) 18:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''Moved to [[Killing of Satomi Mitarai]].''' The discussion has not progressed despite relisting. With a single opposition due to the ambiguity of the current title and proposed title, it does not seem right have the article remained as it. There are options however in the counterproposal, and as the [[WP:BARTENDER{{!}}bartender]], I have picked the one that is similar to the outcome of [[Talk:Murder_of_Aiwa_Matsuo#Requested_move_7_April_2023]] discussion that ran concurrently to this article. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 13:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
:Question: In Japan, is there a law against revealing the identities of minors who are parties in cases? (i.e. either defendant or plaintiff) '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 21:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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[[:Sasebo slashing]] → {{no redirect|Sasebo stabbing}} – The English-language sources present in the article do not use the word "slashing". They use the word "stabbed" or "murdered". It would therefore be more representative to call the incident the "Sasebo stabbing". <nowiki>:</nowiki>3 [[User:Freedom4U|F4U]] ([[User talk:Freedom4U|they]][[Special:Contributions/Freedom4U|/it]]) 02:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp; ■&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b>]]&nbsp;⇔&nbsp;∃&nbsp;[[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|<b style="color:#613583">Part&nbsp;of&nbsp;me</b>]]&nbsp;''';''' 08:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)</small>
== Proposed move ==
*'''<s>Comment</s> Oppose''': "Stabbing" doesn't seem like a factually accurate description. A [[box cutter]] is not an implement that can [[stabbing|stab]] effectively, and indeed the word ''[[Slashing (crime)|slashing]]'' seems more accurate as a description of what happened in this incident. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 04:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
**'''If moved, rename to {{-r|Sasebo box-cutter killing}} or {{-r|2004 Sasebo schoolgirl killing}} or {{-r|Killing of Satomi Mitarai}}''' as a direct and accurate description of the event. Although this article describes the incident as a ''murder'', it does not mention a conviction for the crime of murder, and in fact it seems to say that a conviction for murder was not possible due to the age of the killer (11 years old), so using "murder" in the title does not seem appropriate (and is thus not suggested). Note also that the title of this article should not be ambiguous with the title of {{-r|Sasebo schoolgirl murder}}, which is why the year is included in one of my suggestions. Note also that I have opened an RM at [[Talk:Sasebo schoolgirl murder#Requested move 7 April 2023]] to resolve the ambiguity of that article's title. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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== "no [wp:reliable source|] has ever published the perpetrators name.", "These are not reliable sources." ==
Perhaps the article should be moved to "Sasebo Slashing", a name used for the incident. [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:· ]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 21:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since the article discusses the incident and not the person, that makes sense. However, it makes sense to preserve Nevada-tan as a redirect, since the popular moniker for the person is a reasonable search term. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
<small>The discussion above was moved from [[WP:BLP/N]]. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 22:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)</small>
::Sounds fine to me. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 22:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:Done per this and per [[WP:BLP1E]]. [[User:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl</u>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226"><B>龱</B></u>]] 10:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::I saw this discussion on BLP/N concur with all the above, although I thought all the fuss over this unfortunate incident had calmed down a couple of years ago. The name and photo are out there, but I doubt they ever will be reliably sourced as the news cycle life for this has long since passed, and it's not of much interest internationally. Even if reliable sources do appear, I would agree with leaving her name out of the article; I do believe that under Japanese law the names of minors accused of crime is not to be released to the press. By the way, we do have a [[Red Room]] article that currently is unlinked, but probably could be; I'll leave that to others. [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 15:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


One of the sources which Mcorrlo provided for the perpetrator's name when restoring it in January 2023 was [https://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/asia/nevada-tan-la-nina-genio-que-degollo-a-su-amiga-por-bullying-en-internet-676509 an article] from [[El Tiempo (Colombia)|El Tiempo]], a major Colombian newspaper. Yet of course someone else quickly reverted this, saying "These are not reliable sources.", likely not even giving any consideration to whether they were actually reliable or not - as it often plays out on Wikipedia when someone really, really wants to revert something. [[User:TVShowFan122|TVShowFan122]] ([[User talk:TVShowFan122|talk]]) 22:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
=="Nevada" meme==
On checking all reliable sources I could find in the article, I could find nothing about this whole "Nevada" thing, much less a reference to a nickname (which in any case appears to have been given to the killer ''after'' the crime). Since it merely seems to be an internet meme, and even the Wikipedia article claimed that there was no knowing whether the Nevada pictures related to the killing, I've removed the references. If the girl in the Nevada pictures is not known from reliable sources to be the killer, it's obviously grossly irresponsible for us to represent the pictures, and the unreliable websites that refer to them, as those of the murderer. If we can come up with a reliable source that actually refers to the Nevada meme, then we can document it as such. --[[User talk:Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The|Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The]] 22:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
:Let's face it, "Nevada-tan" is what people refer to when they're speaking about this case. I came to this page through another link and my first reaction was "Why the hell doesn't it say 'Nevada-tan' anymore?" Yes, it's all based around a meme, but that meme is a very likely vector through which someone would know this case. Above, the redirect to this page from "Nevada-tan" was preserved for that reason. If that's the case, I think it makes sense to mention in the article that this killer is commonly known on the internet as Nevada-tan (and why, in general terms.) There's no need to link the image(s) (people can Google it up if they want to.) It just makes sense. There are plenty of articles about memes on Wiki, so I don't see as it's not a legitimate topic for the site. Abd it's a mildly interesting cultural phenomenon, at least in my opinion. But I won't make the changes because, hey, I'd like to hear more about why it's not legit, and I've only once edited a page before. [[User:ferricide|ferricide]] [[User:Ferricide|Ferricide]] ([[User talk:Ferricide|talk]]) 07:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:As the article currently stands, it's hard to tell what the connection is between Nevada-Tan and the Sasebo Slashing, or for that matter between Nevada and the Sasebo Slashing, which would lead people to wonder why exactly Nevada-Tan leads them here. (Which could be a problem--there should at least be an explanation of why [[University of Nevada, Reno]] alumni like myself should be circumspect about wearing our college sweatshirts on trips to Japan.)
:You could argue that Nevada-Tan is a separate character whose creation is an outgrowth of the publicity about this case and therefore a separate entity deserving a separate web page, instead of just a redirect here. It could also be sort of an object lesson on memes themselves--it's very doubtful that the slasher was actually wearing the Nevada shirt during the slashing, yet the bloodied Nevada shirt has become part of the meme.
:Then again, I'm new. What do you think? --[[User:Knockwood|Knockwood]] ([[User talk:Knockwood|talk]]) 23:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Former good articleKilling of Satomi Mitarai was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Asperger's diagnosis

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The Japanese version of this article states thus:

"加害女児は事件後、収容先の自立支援施設でアスペルガー症候群と診断されている[15]。"
"After this case, the perpetrator girl while in the institutional facility was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome."

The Japanese text references a book written by journalist Atsuko Kusanagi titled (in English) Tracked down! The Case of the Homicide by a Sasebo Elementary 6th Grade Girl of Her Peer, which I do not have access to.

How should we incorporate this information into the English Wikipedia? --Beneficii (talk) 07:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure thats a real book? I doesnt register a hit on WorldCat, google books or amazon.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:39, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The book is real; the title above is the translated version, but the book is in Japanese. ISBN: 4062130416 -- Lostparabola (talk) 01:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I got the book and can verify the diagnosis. --Beneficii (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If there is only one source mentioning it, per BLP I think we should not. The diagnosis doesnt seem to have played any active role in what happened or the reaction. If her lawyers go on to use that diagnosis for later legal recourse- like expungement - or if it becomes a standard addition to criminal defense/prosecution to do mental health checks and this case is cited as the reason, then probably we should. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Found another source that confirms it (emphasis added): "藤本氏は「今回の事件（高1女子殺害事件）にあてはまるかどうかは分かりませんが…」と、前置きしながらも「彼女（小6女児同級生殺害事件の加害者）が『アスペルガー障害（本来はアスペルガー症候群）』という事実が分かってきた」とコメントし、高1女子殺害事件にも同様の可能性があることを指摘した。"(translated; "Tetsuya Fujimoto commented that he understood it was true that the killer in the case of the elementary 6th grade girl who killed her classmate has Asperger's disorder (originally Asperger syndrome)." http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/9089239/
--Beneficii (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when I read the Japanese Wikipedia, I got the sense her fixations on Battle Royale, a novel about students who are stranded on an island with weapons or other items and told that only the last one to survive would get to leave, and other morbid subjects often involving death and gore, and her problems with communication helped lead to the slashing. According to the Japanese Wikipedia, in the weeks before the murder, she started carrying a knife in her randoseru and at one point even chased a boy with the knife. I think that once we can get as much information on this page as is on the Japanese Wikipedia, the relevance of the Asperger's diagnosis should be quite apparent. --Beneficii (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We would need reliable sources to be making the connection between the obsession with a movie and a mental health condition and since the mental health issue didnt come up until after everything else, we would still need a really good reason to include it. We dont really need post hock armchair psychiatrists asserting diagnoses. WP:COATRACK / WP:BLP. And we are writing an encyclopedia, not a true crime drama - the amount of details and history we need for a good coverage of the encyclopedic events are pretty limited. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A mere, brief mention that a diagnosis has been given following the murder, per a reliable source, is not WP:COATRACK:
It would be reasonable to include brief information of the background behind a key detail, even if the background has no relevance to the article's topic, as long as such information is used sparingly and does not provide any more explanation than a reasonably knowledgeable reader would require. An article on the anatomical feature Adam's apple could explain the term arose from the biblical character Adam (a regurgitation of the Book of Genesis, or an outline of the full story of original sin would not be necessary).
Also, please quote the section of WP:BLP that warns against mentioning this diagnosis. I checked WP:BLPSOURCES and saw that there was nothing wrong with the addition. The source is a secondary-source book published by a major and reliable Japanese publisher.
> We dont really need post hock armchair psychiatrists asserting diagnoses.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, since we must assume WP:GOODFAITH, but I found being called an "armchair psychiatrist" to be both inaccurate and insulting. Please do not use such a term again. None of us is playing an "armchair psychiatrist." The diagnosis given is confirmed by a reliable secondary source, which is acceptable per WP:BLPSOURCES. --Beneficii (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course a post hoc diagnosis is WP:COATRACK - it has zero to do with what made the case notable. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:26, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The reliable source I used seemed to think the matter of the diagnosis was quite relevant, as does the Japanese Wikipedia. Think about it: it isn't like she only started having Asperger syndrome after the killing so the diagnosis afterward is not post hoc, but merely confirmed the existence of something already long present. The reliable secondary source I used mentioned that she was noted to have communication problems and fixations for most of her life leading up to that point and devoted an entire chapter to investigating if she had any psychiatric conditions; in the "Epilogue," she mentioned that she was able to confirm the diagnosis on page 216. --Beneficii (talk) 23:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While I was not referring to you in the first "armchair psychiatrist" comment (I was referring to the people who would be writing about the potential disease and what it may have had impact on the incident without ever first hand diagnosing the person), you have just now established that you are in fact the armchair psychiatrist attempting a diagnosis. We dont do that, particularly with living people.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. I was referring to the the reliable secondary source, which mentioned these issues as having long been present for the girl, which I have related, in accordance with WP:BLPSOURCES. The source also confirms that she was indeed diagnosed, devoting an entire chapter to trying to confirm the diagnosis; because our reliable secondary source considers the diagnosis relevant, then we at Wikipedia must consider the diagnosis relevant, as well. It is clear that you are now trying to play "gotcha" with the whole "armchair psychiatry" thing, so further discussion will lead us nowhere. You have shown me that much. I WILL maintain the statement and the source in the article. If you remove it, then I will go to dispute resolution. If you wish to go to dispute resolution yourself, then be my guest, but this discussion is quickly headed nowhere. --Beneficii (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please ignore the above post. It is clear, you've got me. You have proven my terribleness and lying nature to the world and that I am nothing more than an armchair psychiatrist. Like the soldiers on a propaganda poster who are knocking down the enemy with righteous anger, so you have been here in opposition so many times to uphold righteousness and to defeat the evil that I may spread. You are a plucky, young fighter who won't let that brainy, delusional monster take over a wonderful article and you have the weight of the truth of the universe behind your back. I can only concede defeat and remove the statement and the source. That source is evil, just like me. So the source should never appear on this Wikipedia page. --Beneficii (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sasebo schoolgirl murder is a duplicate of this article

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Equinox (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently not, as they occured on two different dates. --PWNGWN (talk) 18:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The killer's name, again

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I just reverted an anonymous user's edits to again add what some believe to be the killer's name, and a partial cite to a book that is claimed to make the connection between this name and Girl A. If the book qualifies as a reliable source then as far as I'm concerned there would be no more objection - the person would have reached the age of majority, and the reliable source would eliminate any verifiability concerns. The edit stated the author was Haruto Sato - I could not locate this author with a Google search. The book was described as being titled Hanzai Kogal. I could not find a book by that title using romaji, or under はんざい Kogal, or 犯罪 Kogal, or はんざい コギャル, or 犯罪 コギャル. It is listed as being published in 2005, at which time Girl A would have been 12 or so. It seems unlikely that the name would have been published in Japan under those conditions. So I'm putting this out there for anyone with knowledge of this book to please give us information to verify it's contents. In the meantime, I'm requesting pending changes protection for the article. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 18:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted another edit by an anonymous user's same edit left 9 days,which I happened to find.Paperworkorange (talk) 14:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another user reverted my revert,but there was no trustworthy source in Japanese media about minor killer's name.I had to revert again because It was harmful.I don't want to commit edit war.Paperworkorange (talk) 04:26, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Killing of Satomi Mitarai. The discussion has not progressed despite relisting. With a single opposition due to the ambiguity of the current title and proposed title, it does not seem right have the article remained as it. There are options however in the counterproposal, and as the bartender, I have picked the one that is similar to the outcome of Talk:Murder_of_Aiwa_Matsuo#Requested_move_7_April_2023 discussion that ran concurrently to this article. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sasebo slashing → Sasebo stabbing – The English-language sources present in the article do not use the word "slashing". They use the word "stabbed" or "murdered". It would therefore be more representative to call the incident the "Sasebo stabbing". :3 F4U (they/it) 02:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 08:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"no [wp:reliable source|] has ever published the perpetrators name.", "These are not reliable sources."

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One of the sources which Mcorrlo provided for the perpetrator's name when restoring it in January 2023 was an article from El Tiempo, a major Colombian newspaper. Yet of course someone else quickly reverted this, saying "These are not reliable sources.", likely not even giving any consideration to whether they were actually reliable or not - as it often plays out on Wikipedia when someone really, really wants to revert something. TVShowFan122 (talk) 22:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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