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== Basic biographical info ==
"I am so excited to be starring in 'Fresh Takes' created by Dove go fresh because it puts the pressures that I deal with every day in a new light and opens my eyes to the reality that I can be successful in many different ways and have every reason to feel beautiful right now," says Keys. "I hope the series inspires other 20-somethings to get a fresh take on the pressures in their lives and start enjoying the ride."


Someone should add a source for her date of birth, since the linked sources do not. I have seen her DOB as 25 Jan 1980, rather than 1981, in a public record and her YOB as 1980 in "Who's Who among African Americans." 25th edition. Detroit: Gale, Cengage Learning, 2012.
Critical Inner Voice


Also, her great-grandfather was not in fact from Sciacca but rather from Sambiase, a part of the city of Lamezia Terme in Calabria. Unfortunately the only sources I have for this are primary ones (i.e., actual civil records) so I will not be editing this page yet, but I note that the 2 linked Italian articles contradict one another - one says that her mother's grandparents (plural) were from Sciacca while other says that one of her mother's grandparents was from Calabria (and even correctly identifies the 2 towns that this great-grandmother's parents were from in Calabria) and one was from Sicily (without specifying where). You can't just pick and choose which parts of 2 conflicting sources you want to use! If these are your only sources you should acknowledge the uncertainty. [[User:Gmalcolms2|Gmalcolms2]] ([[User talk:Gmalcolms2|talk]]) 06:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The next phase of the Campaign for Real Beauty, Dove go fresh, is inspired by today's real-life 20-something women who are more accomplished and independent than ever. Driven by their own critical inner voice, this age group is pursuing – and attaining – significant achievements before turning 30. However, this race to achieve success is keeping many of them from fully enjoying what they have worked so hard to accomplish.


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"Today's 20-something women grew up with 24-hour Internet access and working moms who juggled it all. Now they are trying to outpace that world," notes Ann Kearney-Cooke, Ph.D., licensed psychologist and distinguished scholar for the Partnership for Women's Health at Columbia University. "As a result, 20-something females are suffering from 'inner critic syndrome,' a thought process which heightens the amount of pressure they feel to measure up to, and surpass, the previous generation."
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According to recent Dove research, women cannot ignore their inner voice, which is often critical and influential: 96 percent of women in their twenties say their inner voice speaks to them on a typical day More than half (55 percent) admit their inner voice criticizes them on a daily basis 85 percent admit they are their own worst critics


== Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2023 ==
The critical inner voice is preventing 20-something women from celebrating their independence and success: 68 percent believe that their lives would be much more fulfilling if they did not put so much pressure on themselves


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She was born in 1981 not 1980 [[Special:Contributions/87.75.168.118|87.75.168.118]] ([[User talk:87.75.168.118|talk]]) 08:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 09:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
She says or implies 1981 in her memoir ''More Myself'' a few times:
* "on a spring evening in 1980, I was conceived." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
* "TERRI AUGELLO, ALICIA’S MOM - When I got pregnant with Alicia, I was almost thirty and thinking about moving from New York to LA to see what acting opportunities I could get out there. It was 1980. I’d never had a pregnancy, and I called my mother." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
* "My father wasn’t there when I was born. On that January evening in 1981, as the city’s temperatures flirted with the freezing mark, Mommy arrived at the hospital already in labor." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
* "I am nineteen. In a few months, my first album will drop and my life will suddenly be divided into two distinct halves ... As 2000 draws to a close..." - (First Word)
But, that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. [[Nancy Reagan]] used a fake date in her memoir. AP and People both interestingly give her YOB as 1980.
--[[User:Shivertimbers433|Shivertimbers433]] ([[User talk:Shivertimbers433|talk]]) 00:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


== Alicia Keys antisemitism ==
"Fresh Takes" uses entertainment and humor to give viewers a look at three 20-something girlfriends as they put their everyday pressures in a fresh perspective. Using the budding micro-series TV format, "Fresh Takes" will broadcast three-minute episodes nationwide during "The Hills," MTV's No. 1 show for 20-something women, over a five-week period beginning March 24 (10 p.m. EDT / 9 p.m. Central). The micro-series was created and produced by MindShare Entertainment and MTV.


Is wikipedia going to include Alicia Keys's antisemitic social media post about hang gliding after the terrorist Hamas attack on October 7th, 2023? [[User:Boing55|Boing55]] ([[User talk:Boing55|talk]]) 01:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Alicia Keys headlines the series, alongside up-and-coming actresses Desi Lydic and Jessalyn Wanlim. Alex (Alicia Keys): Fearless, fun and always falling in love, the stylish Alex works at a trendy music PR firm Diane (Desi Lydic): Type A personality, she is focused and ambitious, although her friends urge her to loosen up Lizzie (Jessalyn Wanlim): The "lost" friend struggling to find who she is and what she wants to do with her life


:You are absolutely right. Added a reliable source that covered it. Let's see how long it lasts here. [[Special:Contributions/2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8349:6307:2D41:BDA4|2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8349:6307:2D41:BDA4]] ([[User talk:2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8349:6307:2D41:BDA4|talk]]) 12:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
"We believe their twenties should be a wonderful time for women as they embark on their first, real adult adventures and begin to discover their own unique beauty," said Kathy O'Brien, Dove Masterbrand marketing director. "We hope the go fresh program will help give them a new perspective on their lives and expand how they define success, ultimately making this a more beautiful time." Bringing Fresh Takes to You


== Not neutral POV / Fictitious references ==
Women can interact with "Fresh Takes" in several ways, including viewing content on their PC or mobile phone. All five episodes will be available on www.dovegofresh.com after each air-date as well as exclusive behind-the-scenes footage of Alicia and the entire cast. Episodes will also be available on www.dovefreshtakes.mtv.com. www.dovegofresh.com can be found on the new dove digital channel, www.dove.com, a consumer destination site that brings Campaign for Real Beauty and the Dove product portfolio to life for visitors.


I would like to call your attention to this part, specifically:
Refresh, Energize and Cool Off


"From a young age, Keys struggled with self-esteem issues, hiding little by little when her differences made her vulnerable to judgment, and later <u>uninvited sexual attention.</u> Living in the rough neighborhood of Hell's Kitchen, she was, from an early age, regularly exposed to street violence, drugs, prostitution, and <u>subjected to sexual propositions</u> in the sex trade- and crime-riddled area. "I saw a variety of people growing up, and lifestyles, lows and highs. I think it makes you realize right away what you want and what you don't want," Keys said. <u>Keys recalled feeling fearful early on of the "animal instinct" she witnessed, and eventually feeling "high" due to recurrent harassment.</u>"
New Dove go fresh is designed to help 20-something women gain a fresh perspective. The collection's vibrant fragrances deliver invigorating and crisp sensory experiences for the body and mind. According to Dove research, scents have the power to inspire women with 60 percent reporting that fragrance can lift their spirits or change their mood. Available in three fragrances – Refreshing, Energizing and Cooling – Dove go fresh offers bursts of freshness with trusted Dove moisturizers. The collection includes deodorants, matching body mists, body wash, beauty bar, hand and body lotion, shampoos and conditioners. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.23.7.45|82.23.7.45]] ([[User talk:82.23.7.45|talk]]) 18:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


# I want to first state that this is not my subject area and I just stumbled upon this page and these issues at random. First, I was taken aback by the latent misandry present in the description of Keys' childhood neighborhood. I visited the cited sources and noted that the summaries in the article overstate the "harassment" that she endured as a teenager (she never actually used that word). Looking specifically at reference 27, Keys never mentions any specific or tangible action taken by anyone toward her and instead cites feelings that she had and assumptions that she made about men that caused her to "hide herself". That is a major point of what that blog post she made is trying to convey. Near the end where she has her awakening and realizes that she no longer needs to hide, why is that? The men didn't change. Therefore, they could not have been the problem in the first place! She changed. That's the point. Her problems as a teen weren't the fault of random men hitting on her due to the unwelcome intrusion of puberty, they were caused by not growing up with a father figure to socialize her to being around a mature male presence, so it scared her. As she matured and had more experience with men, she realized that her teen self had over-reacted. The article should be changed to reflect this perspective. But I'm not volunteering because, as I said, this ain't my area.
# To further prove the case about misandry, I would like to call your attention to the last underlined sentence in the quote above. This statement is a jumble of multple statements made at different times about different things. The "animal insinct" part is in reference to how she felt about guys leering at her on the streets. That then implies that 'guys on the streets' is the subject of the sentence which goes on to talk about "feeling high due to recurrent harassment". The only source that quotes Keys as saying anything about feeling high is the short movie The Gospel at 14:56 - 15:10 which is given as reference 33. The exact quote is: "I grew up around a lot of pimps and prostitutes. They solicited[sic] me all the time and it made me, um, it made me high. Like it made me not want to be a woman." So it wasn't men doing what men do and her having a coming of age crisis as the article seems to be implying. Instead, she's having a very specific - and quite alien to most readers - experience of being recruited (not solicited) into sex work. To me, this is no minor issue. The article reads like its skewing her words to support an anti-male agenda. But this is just a talk page and I've said my piece.


Note: I apologize in advance that I likely didn't fully support an accusation of fictitious references. I just don't know what else to call what's going on here. [[User:Adamtakvam|Adam Takvam]] ([[User talk:Adamtakvam|talk]]) 14:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
==Cite sources==

:"Critical reviews were mostly positive, though '''many''' found Keys derivative, with a sound reminiscent of 1970s soul singers like Curtis Mayfield and Marvin Gaye with hip hop influences that were less original than similar blends from nu soul artists like Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu and D'Angelo."

Who are these "many"? Please avoid "[[Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms|weasel words]]" and [[Wikipedia:Cite sources|cite sources]]. It's probably true that someone said this, but we should say who said what. --[[User:Sketchee|Sketchee]] 03:16, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

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''Original version:''

'''Alicia Keys''' is a [[singer-songwriter]] born [[January 25]], [[1981]] in [[Harlem]], [[New York, New York]].

Keys plays multiple instruments and is a classically trained [[piano|pianist]]; she is noted for her emotive voice, which set her apart from other popular American singers after she achieved fame in the late [[1990s]]. Keys attended the [[Professional Performance Arts School]], and [[Columbia University]] (at the age of 16).

Having signed a contract with [[Arista Records]], she followed Arista president [[Clive Davis]] to [[J Records]], where her multi-platinum album "''Songs in A Minor''", was released. The single "''Fallin''" was a large hit, and she was nominated for several [[Grammy Award]]s.
Please add to this Alicia Keys film and television career section


[edit] MTV Dove Fresh Takes
Can put in main article http://youtube.com/watch?v=2C4IusV9K5c Today, Grammy-winning artist Alicia Keys is starring in "Fresh Takes," a new micro-series created by Dove go fresh, aimed at giving women a fresh take on life in their twenties. The series, premiering tonight during "The Hills" on MTV, follows three girlfriends as they embark on their adult lives juggling the pressures of being a 20-something woman – career, relationship, beauty, family and friends – all intensified by their own critical inner voice. Amidst these pressures, friendship, humor and honesty help them realize a wider definition of success and ultimately feel beautiful. This premiere celebrates the launch of new Dove go fresh – a fragrance-driven product collection.

"I am so excited to be starring in 'Fresh Takes' created by Dove go fresh because it puts the pressures that I deal with every day in a new light and opens my eyes to the reality that I can be successful in many different ways and have every reason to feel beautiful right now," says Keys. "I hope the series inspires other 20-somethings to get a fresh take on the pressures in their lives and start enjoying the ride."

Critical Inner Voice

The next phase of the Campaign for Real Beauty, Dove go fresh, is inspired by today's real-life 20-something women who are more accomplished and independent than ever. Driven by their own critical inner voice, this age group is pursuing – and attaining – significant achievements before turning 30. However, this race to achieve success is keeping many of them from fully enjoying what they have worked so hard to accomplish.

"Today's 20-something women grew up with 24-hour Internet access and working moms who juggled it all. Now they are trying to outpace that world," notes Ann Kearney-Cooke, Ph.D., licensed psychologist and distinguished scholar for the Partnership for Women's Health at Columbia University. "As a result, 20-something females are suffering from 'inner critic syndrome,' a thought process which heightens the amount of pressure they feel to measure up to, and surpass, the previous generation."

According to recent Dove research, women cannot ignore their inner voice, which is often critical and influential: 96 percent of women in their twenties say their inner voice speaks to them on a typical day More than half (55 percent) admit their inner voice criticizes them on a daily basis 85 percent admit they are their own worst critics

The critical inner voice is preventing 20-something women from celebrating their independence and success: 68 percent believe that their lives would be much more fulfilling if they did not put so much pressure on themselves

Fresh Takes

"Fresh Takes" uses entertainment and humor to give viewers a look at three 20-something girlfriends as they put their everyday pressures in a fresh perspective. Using the budding micro-series TV format, "Fresh Takes" will broadcast three-minute episodes nationwide during "The Hills," MTV's No. 1 show for 20-something women, over a five-week period beginning March 24 (10 p.m. EDT / 9 p.m. Central). The micro-series was created and produced by MindShare Entertainment and MTV.

Alicia Keys headlines the series, alongside up-and-coming actresses Desi Lydic and Jessalyn Wanlim. Alex (Alicia Keys): Fearless, fun and always falling in love, the stylish Alex works at a trendy music PR firm Diane (Desi Lydic): Type A personality, she is focused and ambitious, although her friends urge her to loosen up Lizzie (Jessalyn Wanlim): The "lost" friend struggling to find who she is and what she wants to do with her life

"We believe their twenties should be a wonderful time for women as they embark on their first, real adult adventures and begin to discover their own unique beauty," said Kathy O'Brien, Dove Masterbrand marketing director. "We hope the go fresh program will help give them a new perspective on their lives and expand how they define success, ultimately making this a more beautiful time." Bringing Fresh Takes to You

Women can interact with "Fresh Takes" in several ways, including viewing content on their PC or mobile phone. All five episodes will be available on www.dovegofresh.com after each air-date as well as exclusive behind-the-scenes footage of Alicia and the entire cast. Episodes will also be available on www.dovefreshtakes.mtv.com. www.dovegofresh.com can be found on the new dove digital channel, www.dove.com, a consumer destination site that brings Campaign for Real Beauty and the Dove product portfolio to life for visitors.

Refresh, Energize and Cool Off

New Dove go fresh is designed to help 20-something women gain a fresh perspective. The collection's vibrant fragrances deliver invigorating and crisp sensory experiences for the body and mind. According to Dove research, scents have the power to inspire women with 60 percent reporting that fragrance can lift their spirits or change their mood. Available in three fragrances – Refreshing, Energizing and Cooling – Dove go fresh offers bursts of freshness with trusted Dove moisturizers. The collection includes deodorants, matching body mists, body wash, beauty bar, hand and body lotion, shampoos and conditioners.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_You%27ll_Never_See_Me_Again" <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.23.7.45|82.23.7.45]] ([[User talk:82.23.7.45|talk]]) 18:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Links==
* [http://rememberthefifth.com/ Rememberthefifth.com] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jpiece|Jpiece]] ([[User talk:Jpiece|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jpiece|contribs]]) 02:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*[http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/black.history/stories/18.keys/ CNN bio]
*[http://www.aliciakeysfan.com Alicia Keys Fan.Com]
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I spent 10 minutes searching, and there is no "Professional Performance Arts School" listed anywhere, except in hundreds of Alicia Keys biographies, all almost word-for-word the same. I don't know what else is made up about this pop singer.

Let's start over with the FACTS we know. Anything that just appears in a PR release, cite as "According to XYZ Record Company, she attended Columbia University ..."

The "Fame" school isn't called "Professional Performance Arts School", by the way, although it is indeed a ''professional performing arts school''.

--[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]]

*Ugh. Real musicians don't have to pad their resumès. -- [[User:Goatasaur|goatasaur]]
**I wonder if I should call up the principal of the school and ask who was valedictorian in 1996? --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]]
***Somehow I doubt she attended Columbia U. at the age of sixteen. It takes a ''lot'' of work to prematurely graduate grades, especially two years' worth. I smell crap. -- [[User:Goatasaur|goatasaur]]

::::Who says she skipped two years? Many people who don't skip grades start college a few months before they turn eighteen, so if she started a few months before turning seventeen (her birthday is in January) she would only have skipped one year.

Yeah, the bio I found (instead of the CNN puff piece) makes it sound more like she ''signed with Columbia Records'' than ''attended Columbia University'' -- not that I'm saying she didn't, of course. I know people at LaGuardia High School -- if that's the "Fame" school her publicity keeps harping on -- and I guess I'll have to ask them if Alicia Keys ever attended or spoke there. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]]

:'''See my note below. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]]'''
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alicia keys also sites a teacher at the Professional Performance Arts School in Manhattan who, while she was majoring in Choir, gave her valuable instruction on her voice. "This teacher spent so much time with me, she became the closest thing to vocal training I received," alicia keys recalls.

I found hundreds of articles all misspelling "cites" as "sites", as above. So I am, if not suspicious, at least incredulous. --Ed

:I agree. That would be a well-known fact if it were true, I think (would have been drilled into every American's skull during the advertising blitzkrieg about her actually writing songs and playing on her own albums, as if that wasn't standard for the last thirty years or so). Her biography (at aliciakeys.net) says (or implies) that it is so, but I still have grave doubts. It also says she is influenced by Wu-Tang Clan, which is utterly incomprehensible to me (and one of my best friend's friend loves Keys, so I've heard her whole album). May as well say she's influenced by Pat Boone or Ali Farka Toure, so I certainly won't accept that as a source. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 04:34 Apr 3, 2003 (UTC)

Geez, are we bitter much? This article seems unreasonably harsh. -- [[User:Zoe|Zoe]]

Yeah, I'm having second thoughts now. I finally found a website that got the high school's name right:

"By age nine, Alicia could paly sonatas by Mozart and Chopin. At 12, she got into New York City's High School for the performing Arts (which Fame made famous) she graduated as valedictorian in 1996. "

...although the spelling and capitalization is a little off. Maybe I'm placing too much emphasis on credentials, anyway. --Ed

:Sounds better, but I think the :highly derivative" in the article still should go. -- [[User:Zoe|Zoe]]
::I just made a few changes -- does it seem better? (''highly derivative'' is still there, though I could accept the removal of ''highly'' without much problem). It's hard to write about something so inherently POV as musical influences in a NPOV way, but there is a large faction of critics and listeners who think Keys and other label-hyped "original" artists don't do anything D'Angelo didn't do ten times better five years before. Feel free to revise as needed. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]
:::I can accept Zoe's compromise. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]
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Okay, I did my research. Alicia Keys attended [[PPAS]], which is ''another high school'' in Manhattan -- not the "Fame school" mentioned in several on-line bio pieces. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 18:21 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

==Alicia Augello Cook==
We should add her other name, Alicia Augello Cook.--[[User:Sonjaaa|Sonjaaa]] 03:35, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)]]]]]]]]

Sorry if I ask... I'm an Italian Alicia's fan. Does anybody know WHY she choose KEYS as artistic name? Please answer.... SMKL

Alicia has taken the last name: "Keys", because she thought it would be cool since she was able to play the piano. And still has since she was just a little girl! Wonderful, beautiful, sexy soul star that will always be top-charted!
-Rodney

I read somewhere that had another middle name, "Joseph". Weird, I know. Can anyone else verify this info? [[User:TamYum|TamYum]] 03:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Joseph? I see a ''J'' have ben added in the article. So, the info has been verified?

She attended P.S. 116 in Manhattan (K-6) and DID NOT grow up "in poverty."

==Copyright violation==
The current state of this article looks like a copyright violation from
http://www.proactiv.com/celeb/alicia.php, doesn't it? It reads like something a professional publicist has written, not a WP editor. [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] 21:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:I've reverted the main text back to the last version before the copyvio was added. The subsequent sections (discography, awards, etc.) were unaffected. [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] 21:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I think she is both but she is puerto rican.



UMMMM, QzDaddy, if her mother is white and her father is Jamaican, that doesn't make her African American because her black heritage isn't from America. And the term Mulatto is still in use because if someone, like me, is half black and half white, what are we if we aren't Mulatto? Plus census still refers to us as Mulattoes.


I couldn't agree more. Actually I can agree. Just A Little More. AAC is awaiting the success of her up coming album which speaks of her current state of mind. I await the beautiful music she will deliver with upmost aniticipation. I have an idea of how she will really pour out her soul in a very New Righteous manner in which she must have experienced during her trip to Egypt to find herself. I believe she has fianlly come to realize her purpose and I hope to see her truly happy with whom ever it may be she is in love with. For I believe she is finally aligned with her destiny in this Grand Plan we call creation. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.172.197.74|71.172.197.74]] ([[User talk:71.172.197.74|talk]]) 14:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Voice==
please can someone add her vocal range and profile



==sort==
the records etc are sorted from old to new. The tours in reverse order. shoudn't this be the same? [[User:Aleichem|Aleichem]] 13:55, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:all fixed :) [[User:Sarz|Sarz]] 03:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


== Keys also became the first female R&B artist to have three consecutive number one debuts on the Billboard 200 album chart in as many releases. ==

This was edited, [[Janet Jackson]] was the first female R&B artist to have 3 #1 debuts on the Billboard 200 ([[janet.]], [[The Velvet Rope]], and [[All For You]]). She's is also the only female artist to score 5 back to back #1 hits albums on the chart.[[User:OperativePhrase|OperativePhrase]] 02:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC) ''''However it is correct Key is the first R&B female singer to her first 3 albums hit #1 as "Janet" is NOT Janet jackson's first lp but her third following "Janet Jackson" and "Dream Street" which did not hit top of the charts.''''

:No. ''[[janet.]]'' is NOT Janet Jackson's third album as a solo artist. That would be ''[[Control_(Janet Jackson album)|Control]]''. She released two unsuccessful albums (''Janet Jackson'' and ''Dream Street'') before hooking up with producers [[Jimmy Jam]] & [[Terry Lewis]] and coming out with ''Control'' in 1986. See: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002GFE/002-2717084-9816042?v=glance&n=5174
-- [[User:Jalabi99|Jalabi99]] 04:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

== Piano history ==

Did Keys start learning piano at five or seven? The article currently says five, but many websites say seven, and she says "six or seven" in an interview with ASCAP.

She started playing the piano at seven. Remember that people put whatever they feel like in these articles but they are false sometimes. It's good you asked though! [[User:Roku|Roku]] 13:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Roku

: Part of it is probably vandalism, but there have been so many contradictory things put out about Keys by her people and by her herself. Who knows to believe. I quit. (kidding) [[User:Hesperides|<font color="000077">Hesper</font><font color="666699">ides</font>]] 20:09, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rewrite ==
A lot of this article seems to be copied and pasted from [http://www.proactiv.com/celeb/alicia.php?PHPSESSID=5175f2e42bdc4b527c37725553255909|Celebrity], the bottom of which reads "Copyright © 2003 Guthy-Renker®, All rights reserved". [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 14:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
: At first glance, they appear to be different enough so as to not be a copyvio. Are there any specific paragraphs you are concerned about? [[User:Hall Monitor|Hall Monitor]] 19:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

::Here's one example: ''"After relentless touring, Alicia followed up her successful debut with, The Diary of Alicia Keys released in December 2003. The album was hailed by critics and sold over 618,000 copies its first week of release in the United States."'' [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 16:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Unrelated, I know, but I'm not familiar with WP editing yet. I just happened to be here and noticed that the article claims Keys is a soon-to-be actress (implying she has never acted before), but further down in the page states that she has acted on The Cosby Show in 1985. Thus I removed the phrase "is a soon-to-be actress" from the section on what she is up to now.


::I'm going to go on a limb and guess that since the guest episode, she hasn't aced until recently, she doesn't consider herself a proven actress. In the cobsy episode, she had no speaking lines and basically had to be a cute girl. So, is she a veteran for it?

== Birth Date ==

Alicia Keys's birthday year is actually 1980. Record companies tend to thwart the minds of the consumer to make them think artists are younger than they really are. They use that to try and boost record sales and make the artist more appealing to a certain age group.
:I don't believe that. Any proof? [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 18:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
:Public records list: AUGELLO COOK, ALICIA J Jan 25, 1980 New York, NY Rosedale, NY Uniondale, NY Jamaica, NY [[User:Questors|Questors]] 03:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
::Which "public" record?? [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 08:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:::There are a number of public record databases on the Internet, some are fee- or subscription based. This one just gives an age, not a birthdate: [http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/index.jsp US Search]. Others give actual birthdates. As far as what the public records actually are, [http://www.ancestry.com/ Ancestry] says: "The US Public Records Index is a compilation of various public records spanning all 50 states in the United States from 1984 to the present. These records are all accessible to the general public by contacting the appropriate government or municipal agency. Ancestry.com has simply made the process of finding certain public records easier by making them available in an online searchable database." [[User:Questors|Questors]] 18:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::::So, in other words, you retrieved this information from the subscription based Ancestry.com? [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 03:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::::BTW, I'm on the fence with this one, still leaning slightly towards 1981. [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 07:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I think it's very suspect that legal documents says she was born in 1980 when her "official" year of birth is 1981.--[[User:Fallout boy|Fallout boy]] 01:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::I was looking on IMDb today, and they changed her birthdate to 1980.--[[User:Fallout boy|Fallout boy]] 23:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Now, this has gotten more confusing... [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 23:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Why don't ask Alicia herself, What is your DOB? This is not a joke. Let her tell whatever she prefers to. And lets accept it. To whom does it matter if its 1980 or 1981. Some journalist needs to ask this question. or might be some family friend might answer.[[User:Yoursvivek|Vivek]] 19:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::As for "To whom does it matter if it[']s 1980 or 1981", we have a policy here for [[Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute|factual accuracy]]. It would be interesting to see their response (although I doubt Alicia Keys answers inquiries personally). If someone actually does email her, make sure to mention we found her on the US Public Records Index which says 1980.--[[User:Fallout boy|Fallout boy]] 04:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Apparently, Alicia Keys has also decided 1980 is correct. She told People magazine she's currently 26.[http://www.alicia-keys.net/newsy/peoplem.jpg]
::::Some of you obviously know nothing about Alicia Keys

: I added IMDB and BBC as references to 1980, as both have a reputation for getting things right. But it's true that many places say 1981. --[[user:h2g2bob|h2g2bob]] ([[user talk:h2g2bob|talk]]) 18:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This has come up again. We can ignore IMDB as it is about as reliable as Wikipedia for factual accuracy - it is driven by anonymous users who get their data the same way we do. We shouldn't be making a choice or doing original research in these articles either. Just state that there are conflicting reliable sources and show both should be the extent of it. --[[User talk:NrDg|NrDg]] 18:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

:Can I say something? <small>(Nobody cares about me in this Wikipedia, but I'll try once more.)</small> You can't rely on sources like IMDB: it is probably using Wikipedia as a source. As we say in Italy, it is "a snake biting its own tail". Why don't you log on Alicia Keys' website and try to ask the birth date directly to ''her''? The answer won't probably arrive in a short time but it can be an attempt. It is ridiculous to say ''1980 '''or''' 1981''... It looks like she's an almost unknown artist of the Middle Ages... <small>Sorry for my English</small> [[Special:Contributions/79.18.2.44|79.18.2.44]] ([[User talk:79.18.2.44|talk]]) 16:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::A new source on this debate: [[The Times]], which put an [http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article3403940.ece article] up on the website which'll appear in the Sunday Times. It says point blank: "Keys was born in 1981." [[User:Tabercil|Tabercil]] ([[User talk:Tabercil|talk]]) 00:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Controversy ==

First off, on the Performance Arts high School: here is a link http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/ny/1916/

Second, Alicia Keys is an contralto. This is evident by her deep speaking voice.

Thirdly, Alicia Keys signed a demo deal with Jermaine Dupri and his So So Def label, then distributed to Columbia. However the deal didn't work out, but not before Clive Davis took notice and quickly signed her to Arista Records. Clive has a reputation for allowing artists to mature and is not strictly looking for dollar signs. BMG (Arista's parent had a rule that executives had to retire at 60). As part of Clive's severance package, he got $800 million and his own indpendent label (J), which is distributed by BMG. He was allowed to take some of the Arista roster with him including Deborah Cox and Alica Keys. This was the reason for some of the brief fallout between Davis and Whitney Houston, herself a former protegé)

Fourthly, its a misnomer she went to Columbia. She took classes, but under the school's gifted high school program (I took college classes myself while in high school). So she's an alumni, but not as its being reported.

Fifthly, she mentions the choir director spending a lot of time with her so it was like personal instruction. But her "major" was always piano performance, never voice. It just happened that because she was in choir and had this teacher's assistance that her voice would be "discovered". She mentioned this many times in early BET appearances.

Sixthly, it is 1981 (she was 21 when Fallin came out and she was 2001's) Which was 4 years ago. Right now alicia is 25 years old about to be 26 on january 25

Hope that helps.[[User:Antares33712|Antares33712]] 06:00, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Check your math. If she was 21 in 2001, she was born in 1980.--[[User:Fallout boy|Fallout boy]] 06:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

:She wasn't 21, she was 20 when Fallin' came out so her birth year is 1981. -- [[User:Sarz|Sarz]] 12:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
::I'm a little curious how it's a known ''fact'' that she was 20 when "Fallin'" came out. Did she explicity state she was 20?--[[User:Fallout boy|Fallout boy]] 06:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall her EVER specificly saying what age she was when "Fallin" was released in 2001, however, if she was 21, her birth-year would be 1980. Does that help any? [[User:Roku|Roku]] 13:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Roku

What does her "deep speaking voice' have to do with her singing voice, Mariah Carey has a deep speaking voice but a high singing voice, Christina Aguilera has a deep singing voice and a high speakng voice, that is not proof that she is a contralto like Toni Braxton. [[User:67.175.23.73|67.175.23.73]] 11:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

== Columbia University==
I'm removing the Columbia University alumni category because Keys never received a degree from said institution. [[User:Hesperides|<font color="000077">Hesper</font><font color="666699">ides</font>]] 00:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

:I'm putting it back because the definition of alumni includes all who matriculate, even if they leave without a degree. As far as I know, she did enroll as a candidate for a bachelor's degree.

:: As far as you know, which is what? Don't take her statements in interviews and her press releases at face value. Reading this discussion page and doing a little research shows a consistent streak of dishonesty and exaggeration on her part, particularly in areas concerning musical talent and her schooling. [[User:Hesperides|<font color="000077">Hesper</font><font color="666699">ides</font>]] 20:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== First Song Written ==

Because there couldn't be any more ambiguity surrounding Keys and the hype/fabrications she and her PR and label people have desseminated, the article currently states she wrote her first song "Butterflyz" at the age of 14; a google search comes up with a plethora of websites that say the same. However, below are two contradicting quotes from Keys, which in turn contradict what's currently written in the article and on those sites:

"I wrote my first song when I was '''11'''. And it was actually inspired by the movie Philadelphia. It was about a year after my grandfather had passed away and I was very close to him..." [http://www.ascap.com/playback/2005/summer/features/keys.html]

In response to the question "What was the first song you ever wrote?":

"I was '''14''' and had just seen the movie Philadelphia. It was such a sad movie, and it was about a year after my grandfather passed and I wasn't really able to grieve. So I saw that movie, came home to my little player piano, sat down and took that whole night writing. The song was called "I'm All Alone." Through it, I was able to finally grieve for my grandfather." [http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=19165&pageIndex=0]

For what it's worth, Philadelphia came out in 1993, which would have made Keys 13 at the time, so the ASCAP statement must be false. So which was the first song she wrote and when did she write it? I'll bow out and let someone else make the edit due to my bias. [[User:Hesperides|<font color="000077">Hesper</font><font color="666699">ides</font>]] 20:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

== Where's the duet with Cham ==

Um someone's not updating this page, I just saw her in the video with Cham, yet it's not on here...

Well I do not know of Cham yet but I know of this; Alicia's contraversy about when she wrote her first song is finally being revealed. She says she wrote her first song after seeing Philadelphia because the movie taught her a valuable lesson. She knew that creation follows a spiritual pattern of 3. Father=son=Righteousness. She then says 14 so that we can ask ourselves the question of why she says 14 afer 11 and why she said 11 before 14. 14-11=3. 11-14=-3. They both cancel out and cancel out the mysteroius wonder of how they differ/Similar (11)(14)=(3) The Result is 3. THe pattern of creation revealed. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.172.197.74|71.172.197.74]] ([[User talk:71.172.197.74|talk]]) 15:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Merging ==

I don't think the [[Alicia Keys' awards and nominations]] page should be merged with this one. It is far too long. -- [[User: Cielomobile|Ci]][[User:Cielomobile/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[user:Cielomobile|lomobile]] <sup>[[User talk:Cielomobile|minor7]][[Special:Contributions/Cielomobile|♭5]]</sup> 01:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
:I agree; I cant see that a discussion has taken place here, so I am going to de-merge the article; its far too long to put into the main article and all other artists have a seperate article for awards and nominations - there is no reason to be different with this article. [[User:Rimmers|Rimmers]] 16:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


The duet with Cham becomes the duet with Dhan. Danny. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.172.197.74|71.172.197.74]] ([[User talk:71.172.197.74|talk]]) 15:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Middle name? ==

The article only says that her middle initial as "J.". Does she only have an initial or does the "J." stand for something? Wikipedia is the only source that shows she even has a middle name. Everywhere else I've looked only shows her full birth name as "Alicia Augello Cook". Where is the source of this middle initial? [[User:Rhythmnation2004|Rhythmnation2004]] 15:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


i believe it has been stated in article that her middle name is Joseph... after her grandfather. i'll locate the article shortly. [[User:Heartburn2005|Heartburn2005]] 09:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


The article only says that her middle initial as "J.". Does she only have an initial or does the "J." stand for something? Wikipedia is the only source that shows she even has a middle name. Everywhere else I've looked only shows her full birth name as "Alicia Augello Cook". Where is the source of this middle initial? [[User:Rhythmnation2004|Rhythmnation2004]] 15:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


i believe it has been stated in article that her middle name is Joseph... after her grandfather. i'll locate the article shortly. [[User:Heartburn2005|Heartburn2005]] 09:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Her duet with Dhan Danny will become the duet with Dan Seran of New Arch New Jerusalem. It is a secret album that is currently being spoken about with Alicia and her people and the people of Dan. If Dan can show them the brilliance of the project, they will comply. This Project will come shortly after the Element Project that will debut later next year in 2008 brought to you in part by the Genesounds Entertainment Family. Alicia and Dan will meet very soon and will speak personally without the intervention of the labels to allow the final decision of the project. The time of their meeting will be decided by Alicia.

== Why so many= Answer? ==

It is official now that alicia keys dad is an african - american, and her mother is irish - italian. I don't know where people are gettin jamaican and puerto rican from. She said herself shes african, irish and italian.

Her duet with Dhan Danny will become the duet with Dan Seran of New Arch New Jerusalem. It is a secret album that is currently being spoken about with Alicia and her people and the people of Dan. If Dan can show them the brilliance of the project, they will comply. This Project will come shortly after the Element Project that will debut later next year in 2008 brought to you in part by the Genesounds Entertainment Family. Alicia and Dan will meet very soon and will speak personally without the intervention of the labels to allow the final decision of the project. The time of their meeting will be decided by Alicia.

== New Pic ==
Honestly this article needs a new picture. The current one is gritty and unrecognizable. [[User:Wuthai|Wuthai]] 22:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==She is not a classical pianist.==
Someone keeps identifying her genre as classical in the info box. Until she comes out with a classical album, she ain't classical, folks. Someone about a year ago did the same regarding jazz. She isn't jazz either.

I've also snipped out the sentence about her writing her first song at age 14. See the above section "First Song Written" for reasons why. If it's in doubt, it gets taken out. [[User:Hesperides|<font color="000077">Hesper</font><font color="666699">ides</font>]] 20:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

==Coloratura Soprano?==
I think not. She really isn't that dramatic either. I would give her either a plain alto or ''maybe'' mezzo-soprano.
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== "As I Am" release date has not been specified ==

Alicia nor her label have specified that October 23rd is the release date for As I Am. There is no source that even mentions the 23rd; only October in general. [[User:Heartburn2005|Heartburn2005]] 09:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Who messed up the Albums section?! ==

The table is gone. also the certification was wrong. if u check riaa.com, u'll see that Songs in A minor (12mil) and The diary of alicia keys (9.1mil) have all sold more than what people keep putting on there. Also Gangsta lovin with Eve should be added to the #1's section

== Keys' comments on Wikipedia ==
For curiosity, and perhaps adds for the article, the Finnish tabloid [[Iltasanomat]] has interviewed Alicia Keys, and she commented on Wikipedia [http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/uutinen.asp?id=1433280]: "Dear people, don't trust Wikipedia. Anyone can add anything to Wikipedia, even if the information isn't correct" "

Then she comments this article: "They say John Legend and Justin Timberlake would be on my up-coming album, eventhough it is not correct. Wikipedia is the most unreliable source in the world.". --[[User:Pudeo|Pudeo]][[User talk:Pudeo|⺮]] 19:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

:She said that John Legend and ''Timbaland'' (not Justin Timberlake, which Pudeo mistyped here - JT isn't even mentioned in the As I Am (2007) -part) are not featured on her upcoming album. --[[User:Makkon|Ras]] 23:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

: This is amusing considering a lot of the inaccuracies on her wikipedia page originate from her publicity crew/record label. And as reading this page's history seems to show, people are trying to wade through the contradictory information she's put out about herself to get to some kind of objectivity. [[User:BlueGreen|BlueGreen]] 05:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

: Also, it's stupid and silly of her to call wiki "the most unreliable source in the world" when she told MTV last year she wanted to work with Legend on her next album (link 17 on the wiki page) and on doing a google search, her own fansites were reporting (from press releases?) all through this year that Legend was collaborating with her.

:On reading this talk page, sounds like SHE'S the most unreliable source in the world. She has to have some major psychological issues.

:[[User:BlueGreen|BlueGreen]] 05:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

: What she said is an unforgivable exaggeration. She should have said, "Wikipedia is ONE of the most unreliable sources in the world." I guess, like so many others, she should be secretly editing the entry about her. So, now mistrustring Wikipedia is a mental illness? Don't cross the Wikicult, Alicia! [[User:Nicmart|Nicmart]] 11:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Why don't you read this talk page first before opening your mouth? The woman lies about herself to the press every time she opens her mouth. [[User:BlueGreen|BlueGreen]] 20:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

::: Oh, no! She criticized teh Wiki! noes! let's strike her down with our collective vengeance!!1

== nationality? ==

How come Ive read in multiple places that her mother is Puerto Rican too, and even in an interview I read with her talking about her name she said she pronounces Alicia as Uh-Leesh-Uh but its actually after her maternal grandmother and supposed to be pronounced Uh-lees-see-yuh. So why doesnt it list she is Puerto Rican too? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/24.128.141.162|24.128.141.162]] ([[User talk:24.128.141.162|talk]]) 00:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:your right on point...Jamaicans call themselves Jamaicans. Key is a Jam'Merican. Jamaicans would just call her Mix, or redbone.

I was reading young voices, and it clearly states in an interview with her that she is not actually Jamaican. Her mother is white Irish - Italian, and her father is black African - American. So can we please change the incorrect facts. Lauren.I.Machel 17:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lilac101293|Lilac101293]] ([[User talk:Lilac101293|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lilac101293|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::The current information about her father being from Jamaica has a good reference to back it. Wiki is more about what can be verified as opposed to what is actually true. To change the information it is really important to get a reference and put the reference in the article to back up what you say, we just can't take your word on it. If two different and reliable references conflict, then we state what both say, note the conflict, and let the reader make the determination which one is true. See [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:V]] for more information on what is needed. I expect the conflict is more about the definitions of what is "African" what is "Jamaican" since a lot of Jamaicans are of African decent. --[[User:NrDg|NrDg]] 18:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

You left me a message saying "why is this such a big issue with me" I'd be pissed if someone was putting the wrong infromation about me, on countless websites it states that she is half african-american. Only on about two websites have I seen Jamaican, and this isn't a "big" issue with me, its just that I don't want wrong infromation to be recorded, cause like I said, I'd be pissed if that was me. Also If like you said there is a good reference to back that shes jamaican, then please tell me what that reference is NrDg|NrDg Lauren.I.Machel 13:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lilac101293|Lilac101293]] ([[User talk:Lilac101293|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lilac101293|contribs]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The good reference is in the article. Her father is from Jamaica and that is a fact that is not under any dispute. That means she has half Jamaican ethnicity. The other fact is that at least some of her father's ancestors were from Africa. That ALSO makes her half African ancestry. These two facts do not conflict with each other, each is true. She is half African-American by racial ancestry and current nationality and half Jamaican by cultural ethnicity. It is a bit unfortunate that African-American as the current correct term has replaced the old black-American term which has replaced negro, but they do mean the same thing and imply no specific cultural ethnicity, just race. Also American blacks descended from the slaves DO have a different cultural identity than immigrant blacks from different countries so the Jamaican influence is meaningful to her identity. --[[User talk:NrDg|NrDg]] 16:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Alicia's MySpace ==

Key's MySpace got infected by some type of malware. [[http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1683361,00.html?imw=Y]] Notable or no? --<font color="#808080"><i>Is this [[User_talk:WhereIsTheCite|fact]]...[[User:WhereIsTheCite?|?]]</i></font> 10:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== ???? ==

Excuse me... '''[[:Category:Americans of Scottish descent]]'''? Are you sure? In the article only Irish, Italian and Jamaican descent are cited... [[User:SimoneMLK|SimoneMLK]] ([[User talk:SimoneMLK|talk]]) 19:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


== Category: African American... ==

She is not an African American. Her father is a Jamaican (Afro-Caribbean, NOT African American) and her mother is mixed with several European ethnicities. Afro-Caribbeans and African Americans are very different from each other culturally, so they cannot be lumped together. The same goes for recent African immigrants and immigrants from other parts of the world (e.g. South America) who are of African ancestry, and their children. I'm going to remove her from the African American category because of this. [[User:ElijahTM|ElijahTM]] ([[User talk:ElijahTM|talk]]) 09:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
*this is an enormous nonsense. Caribbeans are people born in America, not in Asia. and there isn't a country called America, but there is a country called United States of America.[[Special:Contributions/213.140.17.100|213.140.17.100]] ([[User talk:213.140.17.100|talk]]) 22:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? That statement of yours makes no sense at all. When did I even mention Asia in my comment? Are you just trying to flame me? That's all it seems your comment was for. Go waste your time somewhere else, the only nonsense here is your post. [[User:ElijahTM|ElijahTM]] ([[User talk:ElijahTM|talk]]) 22:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Tobacco adverts - worthy of inclusion in article? ==

See [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7529354.stm this external article] {{unsigned|GeneralBelly}}
:I thought it was pretty notable, so I added it. Edits are welcome. [[User:DiverseMentality|<font color="D80B0B">'''DiverseMentality'''</font>]][[User_talk:DiverseMentality|<font color="4173E4"><sup>(Discuss it)</sup></font>]] 01:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Former good articleAlicia Keys was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Basic biographical info

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Someone should add a source for her date of birth, since the linked sources do not. I have seen her DOB as 25 Jan 1980, rather than 1981, in a public record and her YOB as 1980 in "Who's Who among African Americans." 25th edition. Detroit: Gale, Cengage Learning, 2012.

Also, her great-grandfather was not in fact from Sciacca but rather from Sambiase, a part of the city of Lamezia Terme in Calabria. Unfortunately the only sources I have for this are primary ones (i.e., actual civil records) so I will not be editing this page yet, but I note that the 2 linked Italian articles contradict one another - one says that her mother's grandparents (plural) were from Sciacca while other says that one of her mother's grandparents was from Calabria (and even correctly identifies the 2 towns that this great-grandmother's parents were from in Calabria) and one was from Sicily (without specifying where). You can't just pick and choose which parts of 2 conflicting sources you want to use! If these are your only sources you should acknowledge the uncertainty. Gmalcolms2 (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2023

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She was born in 1981 not 1980 87.75.168.118 (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She says or implies 1981 in her memoir More Myself a few times:

  • "on a spring evening in 1980, I was conceived." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
  • "TERRI AUGELLO, ALICIA’S MOM - When I got pregnant with Alicia, I was almost thirty and thinking about moving from New York to LA to see what acting opportunities I could get out there. It was 1980. I’d never had a pregnancy, and I called my mother." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
  • "My father wasn’t there when I was born. On that January evening in 1981, as the city’s temperatures flirted with the freezing mark, Mommy arrived at the hospital already in labor." - (P1, Ch 2 Beginnings)
  • "I am nineteen. In a few months, my first album will drop and my life will suddenly be divided into two distinct halves ... As 2000 draws to a close..." - (First Word)

But, that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Nancy Reagan used a fake date in her memoir. AP and People both interestingly give her YOB as 1980. --Shivertimbers433 (talk) 00:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alicia Keys antisemitism

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Is wikipedia going to include Alicia Keys's antisemitic social media post about hang gliding after the terrorist Hamas attack on October 7th, 2023? Boing55 (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right. Added a reliable source that covered it. Let's see how long it lasts here. 2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8349:6307:2D41:BDA4 (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not neutral POV / Fictitious references

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I would like to call your attention to this part, specifically:

"From a young age, Keys struggled with self-esteem issues, hiding little by little when her differences made her vulnerable to judgment, and later uninvited sexual attention. Living in the rough neighborhood of Hell's Kitchen, she was, from an early age, regularly exposed to street violence, drugs, prostitution, and subjected to sexual propositions in the sex trade- and crime-riddled area. "I saw a variety of people growing up, and lifestyles, lows and highs. I think it makes you realize right away what you want and what you don't want," Keys said. Keys recalled feeling fearful early on of the "animal instinct" she witnessed, and eventually feeling "high" due to recurrent harassment."

  1. I want to first state that this is not my subject area and I just stumbled upon this page and these issues at random. First, I was taken aback by the latent misandry present in the description of Keys' childhood neighborhood. I visited the cited sources and noted that the summaries in the article overstate the "harassment" that she endured as a teenager (she never actually used that word). Looking specifically at reference 27, Keys never mentions any specific or tangible action taken by anyone toward her and instead cites feelings that she had and assumptions that she made about men that caused her to "hide herself". That is a major point of what that blog post she made is trying to convey. Near the end where she has her awakening and realizes that she no longer needs to hide, why is that? The men didn't change. Therefore, they could not have been the problem in the first place! She changed. That's the point. Her problems as a teen weren't the fault of random men hitting on her due to the unwelcome intrusion of puberty, they were caused by not growing up with a father figure to socialize her to being around a mature male presence, so it scared her. As she matured and had more experience with men, she realized that her teen self had over-reacted. The article should be changed to reflect this perspective. But I'm not volunteering because, as I said, this ain't my area.
  2. To further prove the case about misandry, I would like to call your attention to the last underlined sentence in the quote above. This statement is a jumble of multple statements made at different times about different things. The "animal insinct" part is in reference to how she felt about guys leering at her on the streets. That then implies that 'guys on the streets' is the subject of the sentence which goes on to talk about "feeling high due to recurrent harassment". The only source that quotes Keys as saying anything about feeling high is the short movie The Gospel at 14:56 - 15:10 which is given as reference 33. The exact quote is: "I grew up around a lot of pimps and prostitutes. They solicited[sic] me all the time and it made me, um, it made me high. Like it made me not want to be a woman." So it wasn't men doing what men do and her having a coming of age crisis as the article seems to be implying. Instead, she's having a very specific - and quite alien to most readers - experience of being recruited (not solicited) into sex work. To me, this is no minor issue. The article reads like its skewing her words to support an anti-male agenda. But this is just a talk page and I've said my piece.

Note: I apologize in advance that I likely didn't fully support an accusation of fictitious references. I just don't know what else to call what's going on here. Adam Takvam (talk) 14:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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