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Discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 19 August 2013, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia, U.S., Withdrawn, 24 July 2014, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 23 November 2016, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (American state), Not moved, 5 January 2018, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 6 April 2019, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 11 July 2021, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Procedural close, 17 January 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Speedy close, 24 April 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 29 September 2023, Discussion

Older discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 2003
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 6 May 2004, Discussion (Poll)
RM, Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia, Opposed, 23 May 2005, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 5 July 2006, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 11 July 2007, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 15 March 2008, Discussion

The "Georgia" move discussions in a nutshell:

On Wikipedia, the placing of a word in parentheses in the title of an article is primarily used as a method of disambiguation, with the parenthesised word usually being a set that the article's subject is a part of.
The basic debate has been whether the Eurasian country should be the primary topic, and therefore does not need any parenthesised word in the title. Those in favor of such a move often argue that internationally recognised countries should take precedence over sub-national units like the U.S. state, though there are other suggested reasons for primary topic. Some proponents of a move have also argued that the current failure to recognize Georgia (the country) as the primary topic displays a U.S.-centric bias.
Opponents of such a renaming note that under Wikipedia's guidelines, the primary topic can be determined based on which one is significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings as well as which one is more important or significant. They generally dispute that the U.S. state of Georgia is any less important; in fact, given the significantly greater size of its population, economy (especially its film industry), geographical area, and main airport, many argue the U.S. state is actually more important despite sharing some of its sovereignty with the United States federal government and not having a seat in the United Nations. They have also argued in the past that since the Eurasian country was (at the time of the above linked discussions) being actually slightly less searched for than the U.S. state, the former should not be the primary topic. Based on all of the foregoing factors, some contend the U.S. state should be the primary topic with no qualifier in its title. Some opponents have also argued that having Georgia as a disambiguation page is a better way to catch cases where an article contains wikilinks to the bare name "Georgia" that should be disambiguated.

On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Republic of Georgia. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Identity?

"Georgia (country)" seems to be the many origins of the images displayed in the "Rumi tarot", the country has Persian roots alongside its neighbors such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran.

this nation was once Achaemenid Empire, and can be proven to be the belligerent in the Battle of Chaldiran.

What truly is the identity of this interesting nation? 103.245.194.28 (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Violent demonstrations in Tiflis since 11/28/2024

Missing topic in article 2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317 (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTNEWS, an article isn't a journal of the week's news. Some editor would have to feel that these demonstrations are key to a general article about the country, and that probably can't be established until a while afterwards so that it can be seen whether, in retrospect, those demonstrations played a prominent role in shaping the face of the country. Largoplazo (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Election 2024 missing in article

Election 2024 missing in article in topic "Georgian Dream government (2012–present)" 2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317 (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgia reached its Golden Age during the High Middle Ages under the reigns of King David IV and Queen Tamar.

Change Queen to King 212.58.120.37 (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Why would we call the queen a king? Largoplazo (talk) 13:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because in Georgian language we have called her and will always call her King. You can check any Georgian source.

thanks in advance 91.151.136.145 (talk) 18:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that she's called "king" in Georgian. Presumably you mean she's referred to by the word that usually translates to the English word "king". However, this is English Wikipedia and in English a woman who is the monarch of a country is a queen. Largoplazo (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamar Mepe (თამარ მეფე) is the Georgian name, which is King Tamar. So the IP user is correct. However, calling her Queen Tamar is also correct and the generally used name in English. Labrang (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamar Mefe means King Tamar, stop talking about what you don't know. Zlad! (talk) 00:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, this is English Wikipedia. The article is in English, not Georgian. I am a native speaker of English, I know it very well, and I can tell you that in English the title of a woman who is the monarch of a country is "queen". Largoplazo (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason to change anyways, as the article on Tamar is clear in its opening sentence(s) on the fact that she is (also) called King Tamar via the non-genderized word. So there's really no need to change it here. Labrang (talk) 08:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt that in any language "Queen" and "King" have their own strict definitions. But the fact that a woman held so much power during that period is so unique that the monarch was given the title of King and was never referred to as a Queen (which at that time implied lesser power). It is incorrect from the outset to refer to her as a Queen (even in the article about Tamar herself) 91.151.136.145 (talk) 09:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That may be the case in Georgian, but the English language has a long history of using Queen to refer to people with power, and calling Tamar a King would directly mislead the vast majority of readers regarding her gender. CMD (talk) 12:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamar is predominantly a female name in various countries :) (Israel, Netherlands, United States). The reader can read further, it's a shame that a fact is written wrong 91.151.136.145 (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is correct in English. CMD (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"King" is exclusively a masculine title in English-speaking countries, and we shouldn't leave the reader guessing whether the femininity of "Tamar" overrides the obvious masculinity of "king".

It's a fact that in English terminology she was a queen regardless of what Georgians call her in Georgian. It's like insisting that we have to say, despite his being 1.85 cm (6'1") tall, that Nate "Tiny" Archibald was tiny because he was called "Tiny". That he was called "Tiny" is a true fact. That he was tiny is not a true fact. Largoplazo (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you've inadvertently argued against yourself: her titled name was King Tamar (when translated), she was a queen, both true facts. In other words King when referring to her name, queen when referring to her role.

89.47.236.96 (talk) 01:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, she wasn’t a queen, neither by name nor by role. She held the role of a king, thereby earning her title. You are all just throwing out nonsense facts to justify something that was wrongly established long ago. 212.58.120.37 (talk) 12:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In English, ruling monarchs labeled "king" and "queen" have identical roles. Do you think Elizabeth II had a different role from the one her son Charles III has? She didn't. Do you think she and he differ in the way they "earned" their titles? They don't. So when you say Tamar had the "role" of a king, that's meaningless as a distinction between her role and the role of a queen. The only distinction is that the terms are sex-distinct. Largoplazo (talk) 13:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please raise this on Talk:Tamar of Georgia instead. This has been mentioned before. Mellk (talk) 10:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikheil Kavelashvili

ist not president of Georgia ?

Hoffmansk (talk) 12:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikhail Kavelashvili has been elected President of Georgia by the Electoral Collage - however the Georgian Parliamentary elections produced a majority for people who are not liked by the forces who influence Wikipedia. Of course conservatives also sometimes claim that elections are rigged - for example the 2020 United States Presidential election and the last Presidential election in Brazil. So it is a matter of perspective. 2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70 (talk) 11:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The term of office of Salome Zourabichvili has expired - this person is no longer President of Georgia.

The article lists Salome Zourabichvili as the President of Georgia - the term of office of this lady has expired, this person is no longer President of Georgia. 2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70 (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Check what Irakli Kobakhidze said today: reiterating that [Zurabishvili's] term would end on December 29 and she would be replaced “by elected president Mikheil Kavelashvili”.

There seems to be some misunderstanding that since she was inaugurated on 16 December 2018, it should be exactly the six years (until 16 December 2024). That is not the case. The procedure is that transfer of power is when the new president is inaugurated. See also the previous presidents (see for example Giorgi Margvelashvili - he was a month beyond the exact 5 years). They don't get dismissed at exactly the 5 years, with weeks until the inauguration of the new president the speaker of parliament as placeholder. It is a standard procedure she is still the president until the 29th, regardless what one thinks of the election and the legitimacy of Kavelashvili (which is a separate discussion). So, she is still the president, fully legal. Labrang (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting my error. 2.126.135.62 (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Identity? ==
-== [[Post-Soviet states]] article edit by anon ==
-Please process [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Post-Soviet_states&curid=1609192&diff=236097690&oldid=234414092 this issue] (confirm, add refs, rewrite the paragraph historically, etc.). `'[[user:mikkalai|Míkka]][[user talk:mikkalai|>t]] 00:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
-* "Processed" to the best of my ability on 8 September 2008. --[[User:Zlerman|Zlerman]] ([[User talk:Zlerman|talk]]) 12:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
-== Interesting Article comparing Georgia and Kosovo. ==
-Interesting article here.
-[http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Columnists/1076341.html Georgia shows Canada was rash on Kosovo ON TARGET] By SCOTT TAYLOR - Tue. Sep 2 - 5:36 AM
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-BACK ON March 18 when Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that Canada would recognize Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence many decried this decision as a violation of the United Nations charter.
-It was without a UN mandate that NATO had intervened in the clash between Serbian security forces and Albanian separatist guerrillas in 1999. However, it was UN Resolution 1244 that brought a ceasefire to the disputed province, and although NATO troops were to replace Serb forces in providing security, Kosovo was to remain the sovereign territory of Serbia.
-(MORE @ LINK)
-Kinda true, shouldn't South Ossetia and Abkhazia have the right to breakaway if they want too?
-[[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 02:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
+"Georgia (country)" seems to be the many origins of the images displayed in the "Rumi tarot", the country has Persian roots alongside its neighbors such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran.
-I've seen alot of comparisons of Kosovo and S. Ossetia, superficially they seem similar but the history of alignment is very different. In the most generalized terms-
+this nation was once [[Achaemenid Empire]], and can be proven to be the belligerent in the [[Battle of Chaldiran]].
-South Ossetia and Abkhazia have traditionally been in the family of kingdoms that repeatedly came under Georgian control, often by their own choosing for collective protection. This goes back well over 1000 years. Historically they have closely associated themselves with the Georgian Identity.
+What truly is the identity of this interesting nation? [[Special:Contributions/103.245.194.28|103.245.194.28]] ([[User talk:103.245.194.28|talk]]) 21:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-Kosovo, on the other hand, spent 500 years under Ottoman rule, entrenching Islam amongst these Albanian people. Christian Serbia, while also under Ottoman control for a couple hundred years as a quasi-independent principality, remained the domain of the Hapsburgs, with intermittent full independence and was dominated by Austrian influences.
+== Violent demonstrations in Tiflis since 11/28/2024 ==
-I'm not making any judgments on S. Ossetia or Abkhazia and their bid for freedom, I am just pointing out they are not like Kosovo.
-[[User:Miglewis|Miglewis]] ([[User talk:Miglewis|talk]]) 13:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
-:Perhaps all you are writing is correct. However, I do not think that it helps to analyze these details when trying to set up a global solution to this and related issues. Try to find some objective arguments on which basis we can distinguish such cases. Based on this, we might be able to establish objective guidelines for the past and future cases that global history provides. You are welcome to contribute [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries#Locator_maps_and_de_facto_independence|here]]. Keep in mind that we try to find a general guideline and arguments should be formulated in a generic way; abstain from specifics for individual cases.
-:Just to give an example: If you tried a generic formulation for your above reasoning, it would be along the lines ''how closely were the entities aligned in the past?'' Such a qualifier has apparently many problems as it is subjective how ''close'' will be defined and evaluated, and also how far back or enduring was the ''past''? Well, that's (on an abstract level) what makes me reluctant to take your above comment into consideration. [[User:Tomeasy|<span style="color:#0000f1;font-family:Papyrus;cursor:help">'''''T<font color="#009ef2">om<font color="#6bd5f5">ea</font>s</font>y'''''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Tomeasy| T]][[Special:Contributions/Tomeasy| C]]</sub> 14:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
+Missing topic in article [[Special:Contributions/2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317|2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317]] ([[User talk:2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317|talk]]) 16:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
-== Discussion about map and de facto indepence started on Country project ==
+:See [[WP:NOTNEWS]], an article isn't a journal of the week's news. Some editor would have to feel that these demonstrations are key to a general article about the country, and that probably can't be established until a while afterwards so that it can be seen whether, in retrospect, those demonstrations played a prominent role in shaping the face of the country. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 16:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
+== Election 2024 missing in article ==
-Hi all, as the discussion here has been about how to deal with the de facto independence on maps, and since different examples from different cases has been presented, I think this issue has a lot to do with consistency within Wikipedia. Therefore I have opened a thread at [[:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries#Locator_maps_and_de_facto_independence|WikiProject Countries]] to discuss how this issues should be dealt with for all similar cases within Wikipedia. I suggest we discuss the map issues there, and accept whatever Wiki wide consensus is achieved there. Thanks [[User:Arnoutf|Arnoutf]] ([[User talk:Arnoutf|talk]]) 07:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
+Election 2024 missing in article in topic
-== Similarity in name between [[Georgia (country)]] and [[Georgia (U.S. state)]] ==
+"Georgian Dream government (2012–present)" [[Special:Contributions/2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317|2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317]] ([[User talk:2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317|talk]]) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2024 ==
-I've been having fun joking about this similarity. AFAIK the names aren't actually related: there was a massive coincidence (the etymologies were entirely different, with the US Georgia being named after one of the British kings by the name of George and the Asian one perhaps having to do with farming). [[Special:Contributions/204.52.215.14|204.52.215.14]] ([[User talk:204.52.215.14|talk]]) 12:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
+{{edit semi-protected|Georgia (country)|answered=yes}}
-== This is dumb, you guys are dumb. ==
+Georgia reached its Golden Age during the High Middle Ages under the reigns of King David IV and Queen Tamar.
-South Ossetia is now part of Russia. Including it on the Georgia map is dumb. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] ([[User talk:Xizer|talk]]) 06:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
+Change Queen to King [[Special:Contributions/212.58.120.37|212.58.120.37]] ([[User talk:212.58.120.37|talk]]) 11:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
+:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> Why would we call the queen a king? [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 13:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
+::Because in Georgian language we have called her and will always call her King. You can check any Georgian source.
+::thanks in advance [[Special:Contributions/91.151.136.145|91.151.136.145]] ([[User talk:91.151.136.145|talk]]) 18:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::I doubt that she's called "king" in Georgian. Presumably you mean she's referred to by the word that ''usually translates to'' the English word "king". However, this is English Wikipedia and in English a woman who is the monarch of a country is a queen. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 20:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::Tamar Mepe (თამარ მეფე) is the Georgian name, which is King Tamar. So the IP user is correct. However, calling her Queen Tamar is also correct and the generally used name in English. [[User:Labrang|Labrang]] ([[User talk:Labrang|talk]]) 23:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::Tamar Mefe means King Tamar, stop talking about what you don't know. [[User:Zlad!|Zlad!]] ([[User talk:Zlad!|talk]]) 00:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::::As I said, this is English Wikipedia. The article is in English, not Georgian. I am a native speaker of English, I know it ''very well'', and I can tell you that in English the title of a woman who is the monarch of a country is "queen".  [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 02:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::::I don't see a reason to change anyways, as the article on [[Tamar of Georgia|Tamar]] is clear in its opening sentence(s) on the fact that she is (also) called King Tamar via the non-genderized word. So there's really no need to change it here. [[User:Labrang|Labrang]] ([[User talk:Labrang|talk]]) 08:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::::I don't doubt that in any language "Queen" and "King" have their own strict definitions. But the fact that a woman held so much power during that period is so unique that the monarch was given the title of King and was never referred to as a Queen (which at that time implied lesser power). It is incorrect from the outset to refer to her as a Queen (even in the article about Tamar herself) [[Special:Contributions/91.151.136.145|91.151.136.145]] ([[User talk:91.151.136.145|talk]]) 09:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::That may be the case in Georgian, but the English language has a long history of using Queen to refer to people with power, and calling Tamar a King would directly mislead the vast majority of readers regarding her gender. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 12:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::Tamar is predominantly a female name in various countries :) (Israel, Netherlands, United States). The reader can read further, it's a shame that a fact is written wrong [[Special:Contributions/91.151.136.145|91.151.136.145]] ([[User talk:91.151.136.145|talk]]) 15:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::::It is correct in English. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 15:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::::"King" is exclusively a masculine title in English-speaking countries, and we shouldn't leave the reader guessing whether the femininity of "Tamar" overrides the obvious masculinity of "king".
+:::::::::It's a fact that in English terminology she was a queen regardless of what Georgians ''call'' her in Georgian. It's like insisting that we have to say, despite his being 1.85 cm (6'1") tall, that [[Nate Archibald|Nate "Tiny" Archibald]] was tiny because he was ''called'' "Tiny". That he was ''called'' "Tiny" is a true fact. That he ''was'' tiny is not a true fact. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 17:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::::I believe you've inadvertently argued against yourself: her titled ''name'' was King Tamar (when translated), she was ''a'' queen, both true facts. In other words King when referring to her name, queen when referring to her role.
+::::::::::[[Special:Contributions/89.47.236.96|89.47.236.96]] ([[User talk:89.47.236.96|talk]]) 01:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::::::No, she wasn’t a queen, neither by name nor by role. She held the role of a king, thereby earning her title. You are all just throwing out nonsense facts to justify something that was wrongly established long ago. [[Special:Contributions/212.58.120.37|212.58.120.37]] ([[User talk:212.58.120.37|talk]]) 12:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::::::In English, ruling monarchs labeled "king" and "queen" have identical roles. Do you think Elizabeth II had a different role from the one her son Charles III has? She didn't. Do you think she and he differ in the way they "earned" their titles? They don't. So when you say Tamar had the "role" of a king, that's meaningless as a distinction between her role and the role of a queen. The only distinction is that the terms are sex-distinct. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 13:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
+:Please raise this on [[Talk:Tamar of Georgia]] instead. This has been mentioned before. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 10:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Mikheil Kavelashvili ==
-:Seriously it's like throwing Minnesota in as part of Canada. Dumb dumb dumby dumb! [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] ([[User talk:Xizer|talk]]) 06:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
+ist not president of Georgia ?
-::Maybe we should throw in the Mexican state of Chihuahua with the map of the United States. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] ([[User talk:Xizer|talk]]) 06:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
+ [[User:Hoffmansk|Hoffmansk]] ([[User talk:Hoffmansk|talk]]) 12:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
+:Mikhail Kavelashvili has been elected President of Georgia by the Electoral Collage - however the Georgian Parliamentary elections produced a majority for people who are not liked by the forces who influence Wikipedia. Of course conservatives also sometimes claim that elections are rigged - for example the 2020 United States Presidential election and the last Presidential election in Brazil. So it is a matter of perspective. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70|2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70|talk]]) 11:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
-:::Or how about adding California to Mexico's map. After all, there's probably more Mexicans in California now than Americans. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] ([[User talk:Xizer|talk]]) 07:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
-Neither Russian nor Georgian law support your idea. End of debate [[User:Arnoutf|Arnoutf]] ([[User talk:Arnoutf|talk]]) 07:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
+== The term of office of Salome Zourabichvili has expired - this person is no longer President of Georgia. ==
-Neither South Ossetian, actually:) SO are independent and they want to be independent from now on.{{unsigned}}
+The article lists Salome Zourabichvili as the President of Georgia - the term of office of this lady has expired, this person is no longer President of Georgia. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70|2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70|talk]]) 09:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
-Apropos the title: 'you guys' I suppose means the editors of Wikipedia, which includes Xizer. So he is effectively calling himself dumb. [[User:Amrad|Amrad]] ([[User talk:Amrad|talk]]) 10:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
+:No. Check what [[Irakli Kobakhidze]] said [https://civil.ge/archives/645580 today]: ''reiterating that [Zurabishvili's] term would end on December 29 and she would be replaced “by elected president Mikheil Kavelashvili”''.
-==Including South Ossetia in the map of Georgia==
+:There seems to be some misunderstanding that since she was inaugurated on 16 December 2018, it should be exactly the six years (until 16 December 2024). That is not the case. The procedure is that transfer of power is when the new president is inaugurated. See also the previous presidents (see for example [[Giorgi Margvelashvili]] - he was a month beyond the exact 5 years). They don't get dismissed at exactly the 5 years, with weeks until the inauguration of the new president the speaker of parliament as placeholder. It is a standard procedure she is still the president until the 29th, regardless what one thinks of the election and the legitimacy of Kavelashvili (which is a separate discussion). So, she is still the president, fully legal. [[User:Labrang|Labrang]] ([[User talk:Labrang|talk]]) 13:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
-I restarted this under a decent header and because Xizer (above) sounds like a sockpuppet, making those who hold 'his view' look dumb. But the issue is there. SE has declared itself independent and a major nation has acknowledged its independence. Doesn't that make it qualify as a region with disputed status? On maps, such regions are usually 'shaded' or such (sorry, I'm Dutch and I don't know the right word for it - [[hatching]]?). Then again, the same should go for [[Chechnya]] on the [[:Image:Russian-regions.png|map of Russia]]. [[User:Amrad|Amrad]] ([[User talk:Amrad|talk]]) 10:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
+::Thank you for correcting my error. [[Special:Contributions/2.126.135.62|2.126.135.62]] ([[User talk:2.126.135.62|talk]]) 20:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)