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= December 4 =
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== Wood ==
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What is the kind of wood that makes wooden planks? [[User:Informationappeared|Informationappeared]] ([[User talk:Informationappeared|talk]]) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
= September 18 =
: There are probably hundreds. Common ones are pine, maple, cherry, walnut, teak, oak, kiaat and many more. It will vary from country to country. The are 2 main categories - [[hardwoods]] and [[softwoods]]. [[Special:Contributions/196.50.199.218|196.50.199.218]] ([[User talk:196.50.199.218|talk]]) 05:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
: The [[lumber]] article may be of interest. [[Special:Contributions/196.50.199.218|196.50.199.218]] ([[User talk:196.50.199.218|talk]]) 05:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


::In Europe, nearly all floorboards and general-purpose wood sold in DIY stores is spruce, mostly [[Norwegian spruce]] or [[Sitka spruce]] - it's known in the timber trade as "white deal", although actually a very pale yellow colour. [[Scots pine]] or "red deal" is sometimes also used and can be distinguished by its prominent grain and darker colour (pine kitchen furniture was popular in the 1980s). Larch is used for fence panels, pallets and other purposes where a smooth finish is not required. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 21:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
== Dating and sex ==
:::Besides spruce, [[Fagus sylvatica|beech]] is also popular for furniture in Europe. The really heavy furniture designed to last for centuries (i.e., mostly antique by now) is usually made of [[Quercus robur|oak]]. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 11:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:It appears the user is writing a new draft article for planks, but Wikipedia already has [[plank (wood)]]. [[Special:Contributions/64.53.18.252|64.53.18.252]] ([[User talk:64.53.18.252|talk]]) 22:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


== 19th century American blind schools ==
How long should you date someone before sleeping with them? --[[Special:Contributions/124.254.77.148|124.254.77.148]] ([[User talk:124.254.77.148|talk]]) 00:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's up to you and your boy/girlfriend/partner/whatever. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::However long it takes you to feel comfortable. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 01:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


:It depends on your own situation, feelings, beliefs, etc. There's no "right" answer to this. There are plenty of "wrong" answers. ;-) --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 01:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Were there blind schools in 19th century America? [[Special:Contributions/81.152.221.213|81.152.221.213]] ([[User talk:81.152.221.213|talk]]) 20:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::I know [[wiktionary:oodles|oodles]] of people who waited over a year, but there is no hard-and-fast rule. I also know plenty of people who had sex first and relationships later, and are very happy with the result. It is 100% up to you and your significant other. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Or your religion. Your parents might also have something to say about it, if you're not an adult, at least. --Anonymous, 04:10 UTC, September 18, 2008.


:Googling "19th century American blind schools" easily found [https://www.disabilitymuseum.org/dhm/edu/lesson_details.html?id=21 ''Educating The Senses In The Second Great Awakening''] which mentions [[Perkins School for the Blind]]. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 21:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:As short a time as possible?? Seriously though there isn't a rule, it's a case of when you both are ready to move things to that stage. [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 10:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:{ec} Yes, see e.g. [https://books.google.com/books?id=fKzJAAAAMAAJ&hl=en], [https://books.google.com/books?id=uaQWAAAAIAAJ&hl=en], [https://books.google.com/books?id=SQMBAAAAYAAJ&hl=en]. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 21:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::In the [[Bonanza]] episode ''Gabrielle'', the 11 year old title character is blind has never went to school. See the episode on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDrLAed5sk Youtube] and the scene of her talking to her foster brother at 25:10 to 26:07. [[Special:Contributions/81.152.221.213|81.152.221.213]] ([[User talk:81.152.221.213|talk]]) 23:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::The [[Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School]], mentioned in Laura Ingalls Wilder's Little House on the Prairie novel ''[[By the Shores of Silver Lake]]'', opened in 1852. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


== Stereo balance/phase correlation meter in surround sound ==
: Wait – dating goes ''before''? —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 05:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
: If you can stand waiting that long, you can't really go wrong with sex only after marriage. At least that way you know she'll be faithful, at least at first. But really, it's up to you. --[[User:Sapphire Flame|Sapphire Flame]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Flame|talk]]) 12:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


I've finally implemented stereo balance (level difference between left and right channels) and phase correlation (level difference between mid and side representations) metering into [https://codepen.io/TF3RDL/pen/gONWJby my own peakmeter project] so I'm wondering, are correlogram/pan meters still useful for [[surround sound]]? Basically if you put something like [[commons:File:Sol Levante (5.1 surround sound).flac|this]] into my own peakmeter, there are 2 phase correlation and stereo balance meters for each pair in [[5.1]] and [[quadraphonic sound]] when shown. [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96|2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96|talk]]) 23:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
== Injured Rat ==


= December 5 =
Hey


== Encoding "rebassed" songs into 2.1 stereo ==
I believe my pet rat has been bitten by my large dog. Although he did not peirce her flesh she was very still and not moving after the attack. I began to notice her eye was unusually red and it began to bleed. Unresponsive to food, i lay her in her cage and kept her warm, the next morning she was walking around, cleaning herself and strecthing in her cage, although still moving very slowly and prefering to be still. Is it possible she has internal bleeding and is there anything else i should be doing ?


Why rebassed songs like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSfMC72MrOE this one] involves replacing bass from original with a "new" one (essentially applying a [[highpass filter]] on original signal), instead of encoding the rebassed part into the LFE channel and keeping the original two channels intact (essentially making it a 2.1 stereo)? By 2.1 stereo, I mean 3 separate channels (first two are left and right channels respectively with the last one is dedicated LFE channel). [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96|2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96|talk]]) 00:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks [[User:QueeniePen|QueeniePen]] ([[User talk:QueeniePen|talk]]) 03:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:The OP's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSfMC72MrOE example sound-only video] is a [[YouTube poop|remix called "rebassed"]] of a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmqqimN_6M&t=0s sound-only video popular a decade ago]. The normal lossy audio coding on YouTube videos stands in the way of attempts to boost the dynamic ranges of loudness or frequency. The "rebassist" may hope to have increased the song's dramatic effect but I regret that on my audio system his manipulated low frequency tones intrude as unpleasant distortions. I don't see that this "rebassing" example was more than a poorly controlled re-coding of an analog mashup that fails the claim to make bass notes "much louder without any audible distortion". The OP can be correct in proposing that bass tones could be mixed with better control in the dedicated LFE ([[Low-frequency effects]]) channel of a 2.1 stereo system. However encoding <i>and reproducing</i> the dramatic result will likely go beyond the capabilities of both YouTube and my ordinary loudspeakers.
:As I see it, you have two options. Either take her to a vet or just hope for the best. If she is walking around a little more and generally showing signs of improvement, things might just be okay. Why do you suspect that she was bitten by the dog? Could her lethargy be caused by some unrelated incident? [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


:After a music recording is produced in a modern studio equipped to balance audio dynamics across the frequency range, a serious listener ("audiophile") can adjust the bass content using the Baxandall bass control [[Peter Baxandall|(Baxandall,]] [https://www.learnabout-electronics.org/Downloads/NegativeFeedbackTone.pdf 1952, -6 dB/octave]) built into many amplifiers or invest in a multi-band [[Equalization (audio)|graphic equaliser]]. Neither action involves irrecoverable distortion or paying a 3rd party to re-record the source sound. [[User:Philvoids|Philvoids]] ([[User talk:Philvoids|talk]]) 16:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
I know she was bitten by the dog as she had his saliva on her mid body as well as hearing him running around afterwards. Ive known him to be snappy around her but this was an unfortunate event when someone had let him in the house unexpectedly. She is ok now roaming around and climbing, the usual. Its just her eye that keeps bleeding hopefully all goes well!
::@[[User:Philvoids|Philvoids]]: though YouTube does support [[5.1 surround sound]] so theoretically, you can encode a 2.1 stereo as 5.1 surround (either encoding silence to center and rear channels, or a center part of center-extraction to center channel and a non-center counterpart of the aforementioned extraction to rear channels) if YouTube doesn't support 2.1 stereo (L/R w/ dedicated LFE). [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43|2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43|talk]]) 05:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
thanks for your help :) [[User:QueeniePen|QueeniePen]] ([[User talk:QueeniePen|talk]]) 08:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


== Creating jersey images ==
::Take it to a veterinarian immedatly. Nobody here can give you the help you need because we cannot see the rat, nor are we qualified to give such advice. If there are serious internal injuries then there may be nothing that can be done to save it, but taking it to the vet is still better than letting it suffer. I had a pet mouse who had a tumor behind her eye, very similar to how you describe, but it died in surgery because it was just so small. [[User:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="color:red">'''Jessica'''</span>]][[User talk:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="background-color:black;"><span style="color:yellow">Thunderbolt</span></span>]] 15:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


I have a personal project for which I'd like to make images of jerseys and put player numbers on them. Basically what WP has on the page for any sports team. I only need the jersey and not pants, socks, etc. The project is for creating digital flashcards. For instance, if I were making a card for Michael Jordan, I'd grab my template of a basketball jersey, change the colors to the appropriate colors for the team, overlap a "23" on the jersey, and save that as an image to use on my flashcard. Optimally, I'd like to have different jersey templates for US sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, PWHL, NWSL). How can I do this most easily? As you probably suspected, I have no image manipulation experience. FWIW, I'm on a Mac. Thanks! †<span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|dismas]]</span>†|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
== Sir Anthony Carlisle ==


:I wonder if [[Template:Basketball kit]] helps.
Hello
:{{Basketball kit|
: pattern_b=_thinwhitestripes|
: body=CC0000|
: shorts=000066|
: title=Example
:}}
:In theory you could use it (in a sandbox) to produce arbitrary jersey images and take screenshots of the results. But it's gone wrong here, evidently it wants some data from some kind of context. Well, it works fine in a sandbox, just not here. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;">&nbsp;Card&nbsp;Zero&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 06:36, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::It did not work because of the indentation colons inside the template body. This should work:
{{Basketball kit|
pattern_b=_thinwhitestripes|
body=CC0000|
shorts=000066|
title=Example
}}
::AFAIK there is no way to overlay the number 23. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I suppose there's no way to scale these up nicely, either. The number could potentially be added in an image editor (in [[Impact (typeface)]], most likely), if imprecise centering is acceptable. There's [[:Category:Kit_and_uniform_templates]] for other sports.
:::Using <code>subst:</code> before the template name makes the SVG code visible upon editing, but I can't think of a lazy way to then scale the whole image up to something approaching fullscreen. (This is best done at the SVG stage rather than in a raster editor, to avoid [[jaggies]] or blurred edges. An alternative would be to save the svg and open it in [[Inkscape]] for scaling and further modification.)
:::Oh, what am I saying, it's not one SVG, it's CSS with several SVGs arranged within it. Maybe a screenshot followed by crappy raster upscaling is the best way, depending on tolerance for low quality in whatever this project is. Or ... there are [[Pixel-art scaling algorithms|upscaling algorithms suitable for simple images]] that maintain sharp edges, but I'm not sure what software allows their use. [[Imagemagick]]?
:::This whole thing might be a valid use for AI, if you can get it to behave itself.
:::OTOH the SVGs are on commons, of course: see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kit_body_basketball.svg Kit_body_basketball.svg] and the categories that it belongs to ([https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sports_kit_templates Sports_kit_templates] is several levels up from there). And, organized separately in typical Commons style, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_association_football_kit_templates SVG_association_football_kit_templates]. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;">&nbsp;Card&nbsp;Zero&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 09:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you! I'll look into those options. The images don't have to be big. They're going on flashcards, so maybe a few hundred pixels per side. †<span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|dismas]]</span>†|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't really know what a digital flashcard ''is.'' If this is for [[Anki (software)]], it seems that its flashcards are essentially webpages and would probably accept svg images, making pixel size irrelevant. (Or maybe not, its manual is vague, I can't find a list of supported image formats.) [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;">&nbsp;Card&nbsp;Zero&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 14:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Yes. It is for an Anki deck. And yes, SVG is supported. †<span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|dismas]]</span>†|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


:Might there be licensing / trademark issues? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 17:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
I have my own website where I freely post much information about famous people and my own research in connection with an art collection.
::Not for a personal project. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 08:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm not clear. I'm not recreating the uniforms exactly. Using my Michael Jordan example again, I'm just making a red basketball jersey with the number 23. That could be anyone's. Why would I run into any legal issues if it weren't for a personal project? †<span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|dismas]]</span>†|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::We cannot provide legal advice. Trademark laws vary by jurisdiction. In Vermont, [[United States trademark law]] would apply. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 7 =
However, I regret I do not really have the time to add to learn how to add the research to Wikipedia as well as my own website, which is at www.portrait-miniature.blogspot.com and has many supporting pages.


== Australian companies ==
Quite a lot of the research could benefit Wikipedia. Thus I was wondering if there is anyone who would like to select and add information from my website to Wikipedia as they felt appropriate?


Are there any Australian multinational companies? None comes to mind. There are many American multinational companies, but are there any Australian ones? --[[User:40bus|40bus]] ([[User talk:40bus|talk]]) 10:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
For example Sir Anthony Carlisle is only a small stub, but I have just published a lot of amazing information about him on a subsidiary website page at http://british-miniatures2.blogspot.com/2008/09/bone-henry-portrait-of-sir-anthony.html
including his attempts to fly in 1796, his connection with photography, and his being the likely model for Dr Frankenstein.


:Googling "Australian multinational" suggests numerous companies. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 12:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
If required I can be reached via email via my profile on my website home page.
:[[BHP]], [[Bailey Nelson]], [[Boost Juice]], [[Breville Group]], [[CSL Limited]], [[Canva]], [[Commonwealth Bank]], [[Donut King]], [[Gloria Jean's Coffees]], [[Harvey Norman]], [[Incitec Pivot]], [[Lendlease]], [[MYOB (company)]], [[Macquarie Group]], [[Ramsay Health Care]], [[The Coffee Club]], [[Westpac]], [[Woolworths Group (Australia)]], [[Zambrero]]. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 8 =
Regards
Don <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.154.153.220|202.154.153.220]] ([[User talk:202.154.153.220|talk]]) 05:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== What's the process regarding submitting a record-breaking joke to [[Guinness World Records]]? ==
:Nice article, but unfortunately Wikipedia could only use material directly if it was released under a free licence. The only copyright statement I could find on your site was:
::''Please note that Copyright for all portraits remains with the Owner, but images may be copied for private or educational research with an appropriate credit or an Internet link to this website.''
:This is not acceptable for use here as Wikipedia requires a free licence allowing any re-use, including commercial. If you were to release the text under a [[GFDL]] (preferably by putting a licence statement at the bottom of the appropriate pages) we could then use the text but the images are still problematic if the owners have not released them with a free licence. [[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<font style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<font style="color:#C08000">ni</font></font><font style="color:#C00000">ng</font></font><font style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</font>]] 09:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::I'm afraid we're unlikely to use your site, good as it seems, because of our rules on [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources|self-published sources]] such as blogs. Thank you for the offer though. [[User:AlmostReadytoFly|AlmostReadytoFly]] ([[User talk:AlmostReadytoFly|talk]]) 09:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't be too hasty, I didn't look too carefully but a lot of the material seemed to be referenced. While you are right of course that a blog should not be used as a source, it could be used as ''article copy'' if the refs to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] were included as well. [[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<font style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<font style="color:#C08000">ni</font></font><font style="color:#C00000">ng</font></font><font style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</font>]] 12:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


I'd like for my mother's 600-[[Bitcoin]] joke to be submitted to Guinness World Records for the most expensive joke ever told to anyone in the world, because 600 Bitcoin is now worth >$60,000,000.
== engineering jobs ==


She told me in 2014 that she had invested 600 Bitcoin in 2011. Years later, getting desperate about figuring out a way out of my student loans, I asked her to cash out a little of her bitcoin investments in order to pay off my loans, and my siblings', because it appreciated so much. She didn't know what I was talking about. So I reminded her about her 600 bitcoin investment claim that she told me in 2014.
lets pretend that I have a Mechanical Engineering degree. Where in the United States/English speaking world are places with high rates of engineering jobs? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.8.100.90|173.8.100.90]] ([[User talk:173.8.100.90|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[[Silicon Valley]]? --[[User:Blue387|Blue387]] ([[User talk:Blue387|talk]]) 08:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


Then she said "I was only joking."
::Silicon Valley is not overly relevant for a mechanical engineer. The good news, though, is that such jobs are nearly everywhere. I would expect a high concentration, though, in major manufacturing areas (such as automotive plants) or the R&D facilities that support said manufacturing (Detroit). &mdash; [[User talk:Lomn|Lomn]] 13:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


Now I wonder whether that was the most expensive joke anyone has ever made in recent history. If there were more expensive jokes than that, may I know about them? But if not, how do I submit that joke to GWR for being the most expensive joke ever? What criteria do jokes have to meet to be recorded on Guinness World Records? Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/2600:100A:B037:56CA:C994:6FC:E8CE:B0CE|2600:100A:B037:56CA:C994:6FC:E8CE:B0CE]] ([[User talk:2600:100A:B037:56CA:C994:6FC:E8CE:B0CE|talk]]) 04:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:::If it's simply a degree in mechanical engineering (rather than a specialized degree in automotive engineering), I'd stay away from Detroit. Most of the jobs are for automotive engineers, and there are a number of colleges in the area that produce nothing else. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 21:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know what you're talking about. How is that an ''expensive'' joke? What's expensive about it, anyway? An expensive joke would be a joke that led to some expenditure. --[[User:Viennese Waltz|Viennese Waltz]] 06:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:As it happens, I personally own the asteroids in the solar system, no joke. They contain quadrillions worth of gold. Reveal your identity, and I'll bestow all this wealth to you in my will. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::<small>Shipping and handling extra. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 14:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
:I think you'll find it's dwarfed by Russia's "joke" fine of Google to the tune of $20,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. April foolski! [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 14:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[The Funniest Joke in the World|Chamberlain's joke]] turned out to be pretty expensive. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 18:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


== Question about the bust of Lenin in the Tallinn City Museum ==
== Oreo ==
In [[:File:Musée de la ville de Tallinn (Estonie) (7622411298).jpg|this photo]] I saw a bust of Lenin in the Tallinn City Museum, who know about its origin? -- [[User:Great Brightstar|Great Brightstar]] ([[User talk:Great Brightstar|talk]]) 06:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


Which side of an [[Oreo]] are you supposed to dunk, the creamed side or the other side? [[User:February 15, 2009|February 15, 2009]] ([[User talk:February 15, 2009|talk]]) 08:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[Tallinn City Museum]] know about its origin. Contact details are on their website. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::A reasonably thorough Google search failed to find anything. They have a whole park full of old Soviet statuary at [[Maarjamäe Palace]].
:Have a look at the first few pictures [http://images.google.co.za/images?hl=en&q=how%20do%20you%20dunk%20a%20biscuit&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi here]. Both sides are [[Dunking (biscuit)|dunked]] together. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Our [[Soviet-era statues]] article says: {{xt|Statues of prominent socialist figures - particularly of Lenin - were mass-produced and installed in villages, towns and cities across the Soviet Union.}}
::Neither. You only dunk ginger nuts. -- [[User:SGBailey|SGBailey]] ([[User talk:SGBailey|talk]]) 14:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::[[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 14:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:::There is no cream side; the cream is in the middle [[User:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="color:red">'''Jessica'''</span>]][[User talk:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="background-color:black;"><span style="color:yellow">Thunderbolt</span></span>]] 15:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


= December 10 =
::: For God's sake! No biscuit with cream should be dunked. What the hell is happening to the world! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.4.187.55|86.4.187.55]] ([[User talk:86.4.187.55|talk]]) 18:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Photo of a family of four enjoying a meal ==
::::Oh, I don't know. It would be a good way to get some cream in your coffee. :) -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 19:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


Is anything known about the members of the family in [https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/family-of-four-enjoying-a-meal-together-gm95664360-11497764 this photo]? [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 04:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::The Oreo filling isn't really cream. It's mostly [[shortening]] and [[sugar]] with some vanilla flavor. —[[User:D Monack|D. Monack]] [[User talk:D Monack|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 22:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


:They are (probably unrelated) [[photo model]]s hired for this lifestyle [[photo shoot]]. [https://healthy-food-choices-in-schools.extension.org/meals-at-home-keep-families-healthy-close/ Here] you can see another photo from the same shoot. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: 86.4, I think, You're thinking of dunking in coffee or tea. He could be drinking milk. [[User:APL|APL]] ([[User talk:APL|talk]]) 21:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. What suggests {{u|Lambiam}} they may not be related?
::BTW would one of the other sections be more appropriate? I posted here as I wasn't sure which would be the best. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 13:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::There is nothing to suggest they ''would'' be related; they are paid models. Just like "families" shown in movies are not actually related; they are actors. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 15:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::::For use in such posed photographs there are [[List_of_modeling_agencies|many agencies]] that offer well-prepared socially presentable [[White Anglo-Saxon Protestants|WASP]] models of whatever ages you specify at short notice and at competitive prices. To add the requirement that the models are related in real life is unnecessary, would incur greater hiring expense and is therefore less than probably done here. The ostensible mother could in that case be complimented on her fresh appearance after gestating and birthing the two siblings. Shantaviraj mentions movie stardom where being born to an established star has for many, with some salient exceptions, proven to be more a burden than a boon on their career. [[User:Philvoids|Philvoids]] ([[User talk:Philvoids|talk]]) 15:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 11 =
::@JT: I think the OP twisted it first.
::@86: I think the OP licked it second. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 14:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


== If I ever opt to live in a [[group home]] for [[mental health client]]s, could my [[health insurance]] pay the rent and utilities? ==
== shlungenfunger (phonetic): an African meat grilling tool ==


What is it like for mental health clients to live in group homes? What is paid out-of-pocket? What is paid by insurance?
A world traveler friend who had spent a few years living and working in South Africa said they used a common meat grilling utensil termed a "shlungenfunger"(phonetic) and intended to patent and market it in the U.S. It was basically a handled long skinny metal rod with a sharp 90-degree hook at the end. One used it by grasping it with one hand and twisting the "hook" into the meat, lifting the meat off the grill, turning it over, and UNtwisting the meat back on the grill. I saw the prototype that was built but have been unable to "find" the word "shlungenfunger" (phonetic) anywhere on the web?
Can anyone confirm the existence of the word in conjunction with the use stated above?
[[User:Wikimoid|Wikimoid]] ([[User talk:Wikimoid|talk]]) 15:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


As a diagnosee of [[schizotypal personality disorder]] and other disorders, and being thought to still be on the [[Autistic Spectrum]] by some therapists despite a rediagnosis to the above disorder, is there a group home near or in [[Hutchinson, KS]] for anyone with my types of disorders?
Yeah, i have used one on many an occasion when in SA, didnt really have a name though, and its utillity was vastly surpassed by BBQ tongs. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 15:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Could my Medicaid [[KanCare]] [[Sunflower health insurance]] pay for all expenses associated with living in the group home?
*Well, I don't know about the word, but the device is already sold in the US under the name "E-Z Hook", and another version (with rounded instead of squared handles) under the name "Pig tail". Wondrously good for grilling with; I give them as presents to fellow carnivores. The only South African term I've found so far for it is "gaffel", which appears to be the same word as [[wikt:gaffer]]. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 15:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
**Oh, on a whim I tried an alternate spelling possibility and did find a German-sounding "Schlangenfanger" [http://www.findownersearch.com/brand/4724617/ here] as a brand name for a barbecue utensil. Afrikaans will possibly have an equivalent. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 15:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
***Schlangenfanger translates to "snake catcher"... --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 17:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
****Which sounds about right—you use long hooks like that ("snake hooks") to wrangle snakes. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 19:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


I hope to no longer have to pay $450/month in rent and over $100/month in energy bills as well as $70/month in [[Cox Communications|Cox internet]] at 1 GBPs if I move into a group home and have health insurance pay for it all.
== Paul von Hindenburg ==


I would only intend to live there until all of my debts are paid off and once I have substantial investments saved up, including [[dividend stocks]] so I can live off of a [[passive income]] that pays for basic living expenses in a normal residence again.
I was trying to read some quotes by P von Hind. but could only find the wikiquote section for him in German. Understandable, but being such a large historical figure there must be a english sectio on him.


And lastly, what freedoms might I possibly be giving up if I were to ever move into a group home? Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/2600:8803:1D13:7100:7CBD:B058:3248:4DA3|2600:8803:1D13:7100:7CBD:B058:3248:4DA3]] ([[User talk:2600:8803:1D13:7100:7CBD:B058:3248:4DA3|talk]]) 04:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Further more, was he the guy with the spiked hat in the simpson when Burns gets married and he is the only guest on Burn's side exept Homer, Homer says down in front and he say NEIN!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 16:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Nah, that would have been [[Kaiser Wilhelm II]] (see [http://courses.gdeyoung.com/pages/encryption/kaiser_wilhelm.jpg here] for an example.) --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 16:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:Or [[Otto Von Bismarck]]. It was a common look at the time. As for quotes, there is no english wikiquote page for him, no. Googling will get you a limited selection. Seems he wasn't that quotable. [[User:Fribbler|Fribbler]] ([[User talk:Fribbler|talk]]) 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


:The ''only'' people who could possibly answer this are KanCare Sunflower health insurance. Look at the terms of your agreement or ask them directly on their help line. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 12 =
==Distance from Brooklyn Bridge to...==


== How to revert a company ==
Ground Zero? Anyone know? [[Special:Contributions/80.229.160.127|80.229.160.127]] ([[User talk:80.229.160.127|talk]]) 18:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


I received an unsolicited email soliciting a contribution to an upcoming issue of a biomedical journal. My contribution, they assured me, coming from an eminent researcher like me, would greatly enhance the quality of said issue. This may well be true, but, since my knowledge of biomedical issues has largely been formed by doing research to answer questions at the Reference desk, this does not bode well for the quality of this issue, even with my eminent contribution. I don't want my name to be associated with low-quality journals, so I'll refrain from contributing.
:Well, it depends on where you measure. From the center of the World Trade Center site to the center of the Brooklyn Bridge would be almost exactly one mile (1.6 km). From the Manhattan shoreline to the east side of the WTC site would be about 3/4 mile (1.2 km). The bridge's approach roads extend still closer to the site. (Distances measured from the downtown NYC map in the 2001 edition National Geographic Road Atlas.) --Anonymous, 19:00 UTC, September 18, 2008, copyedited later for clarity.


The email states at the bottom, in fine greyish print,
== Has any human being gone a lifetime without sleep? ==
:{{small|{{color|#888|BioMed Grid LLC, California, USA. If you do not wish to receive this email, revert us.}}}}
I indeed do not wish to receive this email and would like to unreceive it. But I can't figure out how to revert this company. Can anyone help me? (There are some more companies I'd also like to revert.) &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 09:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


:I guess it means block them or tag it as spam. I assume you've read ''[[American Journal of Biomedical Science & Research]]''. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 11:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I figure there must have been a few people out there with this odd, highly useful genetic quirk. There's certainly been a few that got by on an hour or two a night. How can you train yourself to do this? I, for one, would be extremely grateful, and would say ''even nicer'' things about you guys if you could simply give me a few more hours to my day.--[[User:Sunburned Baby|Sunburned Baby]] ([[User talk:Sunburned Baby|talk]]) 20:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I believe it's just corporate talk for "email us back". See definition 14 in [[wikt:revert#Verb|Wiktionary]]. [[User:AndrewWTaylor|AndrewWTaylor]] ([[User talk:AndrewWTaylor|talk]]) 20:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:I have heard of well-documented cases of people who had some sort of accident or trauma and they never slept again. In one case the person lived for another 30 or more years, without a wink of sleep that whole time. This is of course exceedingly rare, and to my knowledge medical science has no explanation. Therefore, there would be no known method of making it happen deliberately. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 20:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Definition 14 has the label ''[[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#intransitive|intransitive]]'', while the spotted use has a transitive sense. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 10:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'd want to see a reference on that. My understanding is that an acquired inability to sleep ''at all'', which can occasionally happen, is invariably lethal within a fairly short time (though it probably doesn't ''feel'' short — see for example [[familial fatal insomnia]]). Extrapolating and speculating, probably some babies are ''conceived'' without the ability to sleep, but they die before birth.
::Summary for the OP: This is not a thing worth wishing for. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to add that it's Indian English - but the Wiktionary entry says it is now global. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::But is it? I'd never seen this before. Our article on the journal states that the publisher, Biomedgrid LLC, was first registered in California in 2018 by Sasidhar Vontethina and Sushma Manchikanti, both Indian (more specifically [[Telugu language|Telugu]]) names. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 08:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Perinatal mortality|Many people]] have gone from birth to death without sleeping. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 21:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::[http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/10/threeyearold-boy-has.html Here]'s a report of a 3-year old Russian boy who has never slept. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::I've only heard of such things happening after severe brain damage. While they are technically awake, they aren't actually able to function at all (a [[Persistent vegetative state]], probably, although I don't know the exact definition of the term). --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 21:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I've heard that you can reduce your sleep requirements by spreading your sleep out throughout the day. Rather than one 8 hour sleep, say, you'd have four 1 hour naps. I haven't read any real studies into it, though, so I don't know how well it works. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 21:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:You might find [[Polyphasic sleep]] interesting. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 02:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:There are a few people, such as [[Thai Ngoc]], who claim they do not need sleep and have not for many years, usually as the result of some trauma. Sleep scientists tend to think they are either regularly napping without being aware of it or are just liars. An old Guinness book of records had some of these people listed along with short term sleep deprivation records from people like [[Peter Tripp]] but they have stopped listing them now as they believe they are a danger to health. ''<small><font color="#000000">[[User:MeltBanana|meltBanana]]</font></small>'' 03:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::This week's ''Economist'' has [http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12253173&fsrc=rss an article] that might be of interest: "THE function of sleep, according to one school of thought, is to consolidate memory. Yet two Italians have no problems with their memory even though they never sleep. The woman and man, both in their 50s, are in the early stages of a neurodegenerative disease called multiple system atrophy. Their cases raise questions about the purpose of sleep." [[User:David Šenek|D<small>AVID</small> Š<small>ENEK</small>]] 12:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


= December 13 =
: There are animals (Dolphins are one example) who sleep with only one hemisphere of their brain at a time - this enables them to be alert to danger yet still gain the benefits of sleep. Dolphins can't breath without conscious thought - so if they slept, they'd die. It's possible that some of these weird human cases are like that - but I suspect that most of their claims are simply untrue. Who is watching these two Italians for days and days to be sure they never take a catnap? People who (through some kind of brain injury) lose the ability to sleep usually die within a month or two. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 20:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


== LUFS meter vs. Audiosurf algorithm ==
==How quickly does Google recognise new words?==
I thought about putting this question on the Computing desk and I'm sure there's a case for that, but on balance I thought Misc was more appropriate. Let me know if I made a bad choice.


What are similarities and differences between [[LUFS]] meter (especially momentary) and [[Audiosurf]]'s audio analysis algorithm (when comes to how tracks are colored in particular way depending on the song intensity)? Considering the color (when "fancy coloring" mode is enabled) of momentary LUFS bar on my own [https://codepen.io/TF3RDL/pen/gONWJby multichannel peakmeter] when fed with the same song as the video, lines up with the color of the blocks and the tracks on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_YLetFU9bg this video] and/or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpV4jFzOXj4 this] sometimes and at other times, it doesn't line up assuming they somehow sync with the video. [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43|2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43|talk]]) 03:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I recently unintentionally coined the word [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Upside|novomundane]], right here on good ol' Wikipedia. It was a nice surprise when I discovered it was unknown to Google. However, Google still produces no hits over 30 hours later. When could one reasonably expect it to have been recognised? -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 20:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[Audiosurf|The article]] about the Audiosurf game tells that the game engine analyzes an imported song to create and save its dynamics in an ASH file. [[Reverse engineering]] these files to extract the generating algorithms is research that is beyond anyone here. This is proprietary information that the game creator Dylan Fitterer may choose to withold. Already as you look for correlation between your objective LUFS detector and the game screen, bear in mind that where the object of Audiosurf is more to entertain than analytical logging, some degree of randomity may be deliberately included. [[User:Philvoids|Philvoids]] ([[User talk:Philvoids|talk]]) 16:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:I would expect in a month or so. I may have to use this word somewhere! Perhaps I should get back to writing my sci-fi novel for this reason...that is if I have your permission to use it. :P<font color="#800080"><i>Avnas Ishtaroth</i></font> <b><sub><font color="#B048B5">[[User_talk:Schwarzes_Nacht|drop me a line]]</font></sub></b> 01:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Of course, Avnas Ishtaroth. Be my guest. Words belong to the world (and not just the New World, either). A month sounds a little slow if Google prides itself on being the best search engine in existence. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 01:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Interestingly, Google does recognize the similar "novimundanus" as part of a species name. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 01:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::That is interesting. Thanks, Adam. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 01:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Google seems quite slow to pick it up; I don't know how long one would usually expect, but I wrote a WP article last week which showed up first in a search less than an hour later: and I wasn't searching by title, either, but for a name within the article I wanted further information on. [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 01:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


= December 15 =
:After a few searches, I see that Google picks up threads after they're archived. So after a few days, it should be there. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 14:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::OK, ta. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 08:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


= September 19 =
== Meta physics ==


about things beyond nature [[Special:Contributions/105.113.11.194|105.113.11.194]] ([[User talk:105.113.11.194|talk]]) 20:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
== food cover name? ==
:See [[Metaphysics]]? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 21:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:Note that metaphysics is not about phenomena or entities that are ''beyond'' the [[Scientific law|laws of nature]]. The usual term for these is "the [[supernatural]]". &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 16 =
Okay, so the title is lame, but that's what I need. It's for a project. I looked it up, and the best I can find is a picture, which is here. [http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-17201059.jpg?size=572&uid={5117C7CA-475B-4274-A30E-A4891BBBC794}]
yeah. so does anybody know what the formal name is for these things? A metal food cover. Like the ones you see in medieval movies, or fancy restaurants. Thanks in advance for your help, and if I could ask you, please post any answers you have on my talk page. I sometimes forget where to look for the answers. --[[User:Ninjawolf|Ninjawolf]] ([[User talk:Ninjawolf|talk]]) 02:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


== My habit of feature requests scared a developer? ==
dome plate? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.8.100.71|173.8.100.71]] ([[User talk:173.8.100.71|talk]]) 02:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Reading these posts ([https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,115912.msg1047396.html#msg1047396 this] and [https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,115912.msg1051731.html#msg1051731 this]) on a thread about foo_enhanced_spectrum_analyzer in [[HydrogenAudio]] forum about my doings that "scared" off a developer of foo_enhanced_spectrum_analyzer and foo_loudness_peakmeter components for [[foobar2000]] player and yet, the developer of a [https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=39765.135 spectrum analyzer plugin] for [[MusicBee]] did implement my feature requests into this plugin despite I've not have written fanon wiki pages about future version of CoolEdit Nostalgia (like I did [https://fanon.fandom.com/wiki/Enhanced_Spectrum_analyzer_2.0.0.0 this] and [https://fanon.fandom.com/wiki/Loudness_Peakmeter_2.0.0.0 this] before). So, why would they? [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:EA0F:F1A2:31A3:43A5:587B|2001:448A:3070:EA0F:F1A2:31A3:43A5:587B]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:EA0F:F1A2:31A3:43A5:587B|talk]]) 18:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:[[Cloche]]? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 03:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:What has this got to do with wikipedia or finding references for anything? [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 19:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ahoy, me hearty. "Dome cover" be what you're lookin for? [http://www.pillsburystore.com/p-307348-2740%202694%204294966576-Dishes-Dining-Specialty-Serveware_Luigi-Bormioli-4-in-1-Pedestal-Cake-Stand-with-Dome-Cover-1225-in.aspx?back=c-2740%2B2740+2694+4294966576-Dishes-Dining-Specialty-Serveware.aspx] [http://www.bettymills.com/shop/product/view/Carlisle/CFS607803CCS.html] , [http://www.inmagine.com/fdc_single15/fdc906963-photo], [http://www.thefind.com/kitchen/info-clear-dome-cover] etc. Arrgh! <small>(Shiver me timbers, it be [[International Talk Like a Pirate Day]])</small> [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 03:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::{{ping|Nanonic}} perhaps finding a reliable reference for what some bad habits when comes to feature requests that are likely to made software developers quit their job. [[Special:Contributions/2001:448A:3070:EA0F:A59D:BE84:1D03:3CD|2001:448A:3070:EA0F:A59D:BE84:1D03:3CD]] ([[User talk:2001:448A:3070:EA0F:A59D:BE84:1D03:3CD|talk]]) 21:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Avast & belay, [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]], all decent catering terms are french, arrrrr. Cloche. It be the plank for 'ee :) [http://www.bywordofmouth.co.za/hire/index.php?prodCat=19&prodId=CRO_036] [http://www.rillcatering.com/en/shop/talalas/cloche-oval-32-cm-2.html] --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 11:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Your questions are scaring off the Reference desk respondents. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 09:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Ahoy, [[Row cover|cloches]] be for plants, Tagishsimon my matey, not food. Arrr, why do pirates need food co'ers, anyway? Aye. [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 11:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Whatever drama you're involved with on that board, I suggest you keep it there and don't post about it here. --[[User:Viennese Waltz|Viennese Waltz]] 10:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Be this the [[Clash of the Titans|Cloche of the Titans]], ye scurvy bilge rats? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 16:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


= December 17 =
:"Domed serving tray" is the best I can find. [[Wedgwood]] (an up-scale tableware maker) apparently calls it a "Round Dome and Serving Tray", if their [[Amazon.com]] listing can be believed. -- [[Special:Contributions/128.104.112.147|128.104.112.147]] ([[User talk:128.104.112.147|talk]]) 00:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


== Futures contract ==
== Question about dish that is probably Korean ==


I don't understand finance, so I thought I'd ask. If I buy a [[futures contract]] for say a ton of corn at a specific price, and I hold it until the delivery date, will someone literally deliver a ton of corn to me? Thanks. [[User:Therapyisgood|Therapyisgood]] ([[User talk:Therapyisgood|talk]]) 00:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm reposting this question that was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous&diff=prev&oldid=239200541 posted to the top of the page] and probably wasn't seen before. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 05:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:The contract is likely to read "FOB Kansas City," or something like that. You'll probably have to move it from whatever transportation it is on (train, ship) yourself. Or, arrange (pay for) delivery. [[User:DOR (HK)|DOR (ex-HK)]] ([[User talk:DOR (HK)|talk]]) 01:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::At the delivery date, the current buyer will have become the proud owner of a ton of corn ''somewhere''. The identity of the buyer of the contract almost always changes, so the seller drawing up the contract does not know the identity of the eventual buyer at the delivery date. Therefore, wherever the "somewhere" may be, you as the buyer can be reasonably sure it will not be delivered to your doorstep. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 09:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:Oil futures have even been known to have a negative price, when the producers' local storage was full and demand was low. At that point the buyer of the contract is being paid to take it away. [https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52350082] --[[User:Amble|Amble]] ([[User talk:Amble|talk]]) 20:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


== Which Political Bloggers are Former Programmers? ==
Okay, I need help finding out about this one food dish (I believe it is Korean). It is gluttinous rice, molded and with some sort of thin, sweetened coat. The coat is very loose (like a dumpling), and it's brown. The rice is NOT ground or pounded. I've only eaten this dish once before, but couldn't get a name. If someone knows what I'm talking about, could you please tell me the name of this dish? I also heard that it is eaten with gimbap, but this may not be canon. [[User:Kikiluvscheese|Kikiluvscheese]] ([[User talk:Kikiluvscheese|talk]]) 05:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds like inari [[sushi]. The brown coating is tofu. Is that eaten in Korea too? [[User:Saintrain|Saintrain]] ([[User talk:Saintrain|talk]]) 17:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


Such as [[Curtis Yarvin]] and [[Ruan Xiaohuan]]. [[User:Saedeer|Saedeer]] ([[User talk:Saedeer|talk]]) 13:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I think that dish is a type of [[tteok]], Korean rice cake. If these two are not the one you're looking for, you can browse [[:Commons:Category:Tteok]] or [[:Commons:Category:Cuisine of Korea]]. How does it taste? --[[User:Caspian blue|Caspian blue]] ([[User talk:Caspian blue|talk]]) 17:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
<gallery>
Image:Korean_rice_cake-Sirutteok-01.jpg|''[[Sirutteok]]'', steamed rice cake covered with [[azuki bean]]
Image:Korean dessert-Yaksik-01.jpg|''[[Yaksik]]'', steamed rice cake made with honey, [[soy sauce]]
</gallery>


= December 18 =
Yes, yes! That's it, inari! I don't know why I was so sure it was Korean; that's probably why I didn't find it on my own. Thank you. [[User:Kikiluvscheese|Kikiluvscheese]] ([[User talk:Kikiluvscheese|talk]]) 03:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== why is attitude indicator set to 4 degree up in bell 212 helicopter ==

It is mandatory to put Attitude Direction indicator 4 degrres up in bell 212 helicopter. The reasons I have not been able to find out any where, but nevertheless the reason exists. Can anyone please help. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.134.59.78|202.134.59.78]] ([[User talk:202.134.59.78|talk]]) 06:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Without having found a specific source, it's likely a case of "true" level being distinct from the orientation of the gyros or whatever feeds the ADI on the aircraft. Maybe the 212 sits at a 4 degree angle when on the ground? It may also be a response to various 212 crashes -- I found examples of controlled flight into ground accidents that suggested the pilots were relying on the ADI for guidance when they crashed. [[Special:Contributions/199.209.144.218|199.209.144.218]] ([[User talk:199.209.144.218|talk]]) 13:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Zoosadism ==

I remember watching a history show a number of years ago and it detailed a famous historical political leader who as a child partook in zoosadism. Does anyone know who this was, it might have been Napoleon or some one like that. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 08:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[boredom]] ==

is it possible to acctually die of boredom? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 11:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Indirectly, maybe. Boredom could cause [[depression]], which could means you stop taking care of yourself, maybe even stop eating, and that could kill you. It would take days or weeks of boredom, though, one boring lecture isn't going to do it! --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 13:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Hm. More like, depression causes boredom. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 16:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

:Although boredom is not mentioned you may find [[Motif of harmful sensation]] and [[Fatal hilarity]] interesting. -[[User:Phydaux|Phydaux]] ([[User talk:Phydaux|talk]]) 15:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

:If you fell asleep at the wheel, that could do it pretty quick. --[[Special:Contributions/140.247.240.38|140.247.240.38]] ([[User talk:140.247.240.38|talk]]) 16:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

:Probably not, or I'd be a goner for sure. -- [[Special:Contributions/79.71.223.82|79.71.223.82]] ([[User talk:79.71.223.82|talk]]) 16:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

--[[User:Rustycoke|Rustycoke]] ([[User talk:Rustycoke|talk]]) 17:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:If you stop actively using your brain beyond what you can do alone, stop stimulating it (books, tv, social life, leaving the house once in a while, doing non-routine tasks, work, learning, etc.), then this probably could effectively also be bad for you. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 11:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:I heard a story somewhere about two orphanages in Victorian England. One was much better funded than the other, but had a much higher baby mortality rate. It was found that, following contemporary ideas about child rearing, the attendants did not socially interact with the babies, who died from boredom/lack of attention, while the workers in the poorer institution were not so "enlightened". I have no idea if this is an old wives tale or what. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 23:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::The story is interesting - but I don't think it answers the question. If the children were not regularly "interacted" with, then there would be a longer delay between one of them getting sick and one of the attendants noticing and summoning medical help - which would of course impact the mortality rate. The theory that it was "boredom" that killed them is still possible - but this anecdote doesn't really prove that. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 20:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::When you (anybody) are in a very stable place emotionally, see [[Harry_F._Harlow#Surrogate_mother_experiment]]. [[User:Saintrain|Saintrain]] ([[User talk:Saintrain|talk]]) 21:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Walther Pistol ==

Have a MOD 1 Walther Pistol. Can't find it on any web site or when I took it to a antique road show. The paper in the box is two sided, one is in color with a blonde lady pulling the pistol out of her purse and an old black sedan.The other is a description written in german. Some one I found that knew a little german said he thought it was used during the nazi occupation and wasn't considered a real pistol becase they were outlawed at the time. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rustycoke|Rustycoke]] ([[User talk:Rustycoke|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rustycoke|contribs]]) 13:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Do you have a question? [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 13:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

:We have a page on [[Walther arms]] - you may find the information you want there, or on one of the pages linked therein. If you want to know what the German writing means, you might want to ask at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language]]. -- [[Special:Contributions/128.104.112.147|128.104.112.147]] ([[User talk:128.104.112.147|talk]]) 00:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Google Earth - how often does it update? ==

How long would I have to lie on my roof if I wanted to get onto the google earth? Do they update it bit by bit, or are they going to wait until they have everything at very high quality? [[User:Dolphus9091|Dolphus9091]] ([[User talk:Dolphus9091|talk]]) 13:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[Google Earth#Resolution and accuracy]] has some information. --[[User:Richardrj|Richardrj]] [[User talk:Richardrj|<sup>talk </sup>]][[Special:Emailuser/Richardrj|<sup>email</sup>]] 13:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::I think you'd be better off tracking down the Google Van and getting on Google Street View. [[User:Useight|Useight]] ([[User talk:Useight|talk]]) 15:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::2-3 years or so. You'll want to bring some snacks. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 16:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Family History of James David Manning ==

Can you find out or direct me to where I can research the parentage of James David Manning? Below I have included the link to your article.

[[James David Manning]]

[[User:Abeytasback|Abeytasback]] ([[User talk:Abeytasback|talk]]) 18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

:Not sure, but if you knew his parents and where they were from, you might be able to backtrack a bit on ancestry.com, where you can view data from the 1880 and 1900 censuses mostly for free, and people in household for a few others. I'm afraid, looking at the article, he's going to be tough, though; probably too young for that, and not famous enough to be in one of the genealogy trees of famous people at www.genealogy.com. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.244.187.155|209.244.187.155]] ([[User talk:209.244.187.155|talk]]) 20:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== chinese zodiac signs ==

I would like to find the characteristics of people born in the year of rabbit. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/218.111.30.101|218.111.30.101]] ([[User talk:218.111.30.101|talk]]) 23:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Here you go (http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/chinesehoroscopes/Rabbit.htm) - the main characteristics it says are...Keen, Wise, Fragile, Tranquil, Serene, Considerate, Fashionable, Sneaky, Obsessive [[User:Ny156uk|ny156uk]] ([[User talk:Ny156uk|talk]]) 23:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Or you could just walk into any cheap Chinese restaurant and look at the placemat. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] ([[User talk:DJ Clayworth|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

= September 20 =

== I-710 Long Beach Frwy extension ==

Will the I-710 in Los Angeles ever been extend? What does Pasadena have a big fight over extending the I-710? Is this because of houses or what makes it so arguemental to extend?Besdies neighborhood or what? is the I-710 extension further away from being successful than the SR 241 in Orange County?--[[User:Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">57</font>]][[User talk:Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">Free</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">ways</font>]] 00:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-710_ca.html So what's] wrong with just putting the I-710 in. Elimination of many homes won't kill people. Do they have other excuse than just losing homes. pasadena just have strong opposition over the I-710 extension.--[[User:Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">57</font>]][[User talk:Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">Free</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Freewayguy|<font color="#00BB00">ways</font>]] 00:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The obvious difficulty is that 'just losing homes' isn't really a small thing. If tomorrow you were told that you have 6 months to get out of your house because the land was being reclaimed for public-highways it might not be a big deal to you. If you've lived in the home for 20 years, or you feel a big sense of community around the local area then being made to leave the area to make way for a road-extension could be a big deal. Ultimately the government doesn't want to upset too many residents, doesn't want to get too much bad press, but will want to improve the road-networks. The counter-argument could just as easily be 'it's just a highway extension, other roads exist to get people where they need to go. Why do they need this road, not having it won't kill anyone'. There is no wrong and right, there is a need to compromise between both groups so that each can achieve something that is manageable and forward-thinking. [[User:Ny156uk|ny156uk]] ([[User talk:Ny156uk|talk]]) 10:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Larry King ==

When you call Larry King, what are you asked? [[Special:Contributions/66.53.220.172|66.53.220.172]] ([[User talk:66.53.220.172|talk]]) 02:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:Presumable to succinctly present your question/statement to the call-screener. If you want more detail I know a cheap way to find out. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== City name ==
name of city or town that means dry grass and a cave. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.220.151.79|71.220.151.79]] ([[User talk:71.220.151.79|talk]]) 05:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:<small>Created new section for question.</small> --[[User: Antilived|antilived]]<sup>[[User_talk:Antilived|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Antilived|C]] | [[User:Antilived/Gallery|G]]</sup> 06:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

:: ?? [[Hayden]], Alabama. Hayden, Arizona. Hayden, Colorado. Hayden, Idaho.[[Special:Contributions/86.4.187.55|86.4.187.55]] ([[User talk:86.4.187.55|talk]]) 08:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Destructive power of securitization? ==

Can someone explain to me this section of our subprime article?

"Securitization is a structured finance process in which assets, receivables or financial instruments are acquired, classified into pools, and offered as collateral for third-party investment.[53] There are many parties involved. Due to securitization, investor appetite for mortgage-backed securities (MBS), and the tendency of rating agencies to assign investment-grade ratings to MBS, loans with a high risk of default could be originated, packaged and the risk readily transferred to others. Asset securitization began with the structured financing of mortgage pools in the 1970s.[54] The securitized share of subprime mortgages (i.e., those passed to third-party investors) increased from 54% in 2001, to 75% in 2006.[46] Alan Greenspan stated that the securitization of home loans for people with poor credit — not the loans themselves — was to blame for the current global credit crisis.[55]"

So let's say 2-3 million loans default and banks take the hit. Why would that effect be so much less dire than a securitized package failing?

[[User:Lotsofissues|Lotsofissues]] ([[User talk:Lotsofissues|talk]]) 11:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

:That loss would all be taken by someone that had consciously decided to take a high risk investment (in exchange for higher return), those that wanted a low risk investment wouldn't lose anything. It all goes wrong when far more people default that expected and the so-called "low risk" investments start losing money because all the high risk investments are used up. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 12:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

:Also note that large losses in the securitisation [[Special purpose entity|entity]] means that the low-risk [[tranches]] suffer [[mark to market]] losses even though they experienced no direct losses (all the tranches are revalued by the market after a certain "trigger event" occurs) and remember that the rating agencies gave these assets AAA [[credit rating|ratings]]. These losses were very large over the last year or so becasue no one wanted to buy any tranches. And I think Greenspan was saying that the availability of [[securitisation]] enabled lenders to free up capital to [[underwriting|underwrite]] more subprime loans. Much more than they would have if they had to keep all the original loans. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 12:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

::[[Securitization]] is awesome and is not the problem here. The problem is that people bought these CDOs without understanding what they were, and now the market for them has seized up. It is hard to [[mark to market]] when the market is totally illiquid! Some of the the underlying securities are solid, but no one can/wants to buy them. That is why the government bailout is such a great idea. The Government can buy tons of these securities, which gives the banks the cash they need now (saving the financial system), and the Government can hold the securities to maturity a probably reap a small profit. Hooray! [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 15:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately it is not at all clear that these securities are worth what the government is paying for them and it is also not at all certain that if the banks just get some liquidity they will be healthy again. Comrade Paulson is taking a big risk. [[Special:Contributions/194.171.56.13|194.171.56.13]] ([[User talk:194.171.56.13|talk]]) 19:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It is infinitely better than the alternative. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

= September 21 =

== How can there be more than one singularity? ==

Supposedly, at the bottom of every black hole, lies a singularity. A one point, eternal, foundation of nowhere and nowhen. How is this possible? Is it mathematically related to infinite subsets of infinity? i.e. {all even numbers}, {all numbers greater that 16} {all fractions between 1 and 2}, etc.

For that matter, what exactly ''is'' a singularity? I realize we're all gonna find out any day now, but it still would be nice to know something in advance. I'm not into visiting places ''on Earth'' I know nothing about, and I aint to crazy about being yanked out of town to visit Singularityville. So if it isn't too much trouble, please brief me a little about the weather, interesting places to visit, etc so I can at least make the best of it. :)--[[User:Dr. Carefree|Dr. Carefree]] ([[User talk:Dr. Carefree|talk]]) 03:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:I think you've worn out this topic on the Science desk. Is that why you brought it here, or is your intention simply to share your irrational fear with others? --[[User:Scray|Scray]] ([[User talk:Scray|talk]]) 04:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:You may find [http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/singularity.html this] interesting. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 11:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:"Singularity" in the context of a black hole means a [[mathematical singularity]]. The theory (general relativity) breaks down there; nobody believes that it correctly predicts the "breakdown of the real world". So, it isn't possible. Also, we're not going to find out any day now, since (a) the LHC is currently out of commission pending repairs that will take months, (b) it will take months to years of data collection and analysis to identify new phenomena at a high confidence level, (c) it's very unlikely that the LHC will produce black holes to begin with, and (d) observing a black hole in the lab wouldn't tell us what's happening inside the event horizon. -- [[User:BenRG|BenRG]] ([[User talk:BenRG|talk]]) 11:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I brought this topic here because I wasn't quite sure if this was math, science, or what. Sorry if I was beating a dead horse, but yes, I've been thinking alot about black holes per my Science Desk posts. I'm a really curious person, and as any scientist can tell you, one question often leads to many others.

I was more interested in the first question, anyways. Because, from a logical standpoint, "many singularities" doesnt seem to make any more sense than "many infinities". The second half was just a humorous attempt (note the smiley face) to pad a worst case scenerio so it can sit in my mind somewhat comfortably. I think about worst case scenerios alot, because like any uncomfortable guest, -once you stop paying attention, he's likely to trash the place.[[User:Dr. Carefree|Dr. Carefree]] ([[User talk:Dr. Carefree|talk]]) 18:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:Many infinities does make sense, though. If we consider regular Euclidean space, you can think of an infinity in every direction - each direction yields a different point at infinity. Singularities can, in the right coordinate system, be thought of as points at infinity, and there can be more than one of them. Also, I don't believe there is any requirement in general relativity for there to exist a single coordinate system describing the whole of a given space, you may have to patch together different systems in order to describe the whole space - there could be only one singularity per patch. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 18:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Damper Pedal ==

Well, about the squeaking pedal in this question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#Squeaking_Pedal , it's not the bottom part of the pedal squeaking, but the mechanism inside the piano. How can you lubricate the mechanism?

btw, I can't reach the thing inside ;) [[Special:Contributions/220.244.109.31|220.244.109.31]] ([[User talk:220.244.109.31|talk]]) 05:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:I agree that graphite powder is probably the way to go. Have you managed to get the front panel off? They usually come away quite easily without requiring any tools. Further to that I suggest you find a piano forum where you can get expert advice.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 08:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Einstein refrigerator]] ==

<small>Moved to [[WP:RD/S|the science desk]]. My mistake. --[[User: Antilived|antilived]]<sup>[[User_talk:Antilived|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Antilived|C]] | [[User:Antilived/Gallery|G]]</sup> 10:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)</small>

== "God created the inegers" by stephen hawking ==

Im thinking of getting this book. Do you think Id be able to understand it? Im an A-level student doing the sciences and maths. --[[User:RMFan1|RMFan1]] ([[User talk:RMFan1|talk]]) 13:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:I've never read it, but it looks like it contains actual mathematical papers, so you will probably struggle to understand it all of it. However, that's no reason no to give it a go - try and understand as much as you can, and then come back to it in few years once you've got a greater mathematical background. I read a book on [[p-adic number]]s in my 1st year of Uni that was very much over my head, but I'm now reading it again because I'm going to do my 4th year project on them - having read it before (even though I didn't understand much of it) meant I knew I found the topic interesting enough to do a project on, and gives me a head start in understanding the book the second time through. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 14:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:It depends what you are looking for. ''[[God Created the Integers]]'' is a collection of English translations of 31 important works in the history of mathematics, from [[Euclid]] to [[Alan Turing]]. There is some introductory material about each author written by Hawking, but it does not attempt to explain the concepts of mathematics in any systematic way. Some parts, such as Turing's paper ''On Computable Numbers'', are reasonably accessible, but most parts are mainly of historical interest. If you are looking for a general introduction to mathematics you will probably be better off with something like Ian Stewart's ''[[From Here to Infinity]]'' or Courant and Robbins' ''[[What is Mathematics?]]''. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 15:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::The newly released Princeton Companion to Mathematics is also at about the right level, and looks very good (disclosure: I am acquainted with two of the editors). [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 18:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Two questions regarding the movie - Wanted ==

1. Is it really possible to curve the bullet?
2. Is there a bath anything like that showed in the movie, that can refresh / cure your body? --[[User:V4vijayakumar|V4vijayakumar]] ([[User talk:V4vijayakumar|talk]]) 13:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:1. Not practically. In order to change an objects direction, you need to apply a force ''when the object is changing directions''. Once the bullet leaves the gun, any force given to the gun stops, leaving the bullet to travel in a straight line. Only forces which act on the bullet after it leaves the gun can curve its trajectory. One of these is gravity. Like any object, a bullet will curve downward in the shape of a parabola. (Not what you're looking for, though.) The only other force which can act is [[aerodynamics]]. It may be theoretically possible to get a "curve" on a bullet by shaping the exterior of the bullet such that it generates an aerodynamic force. This is what causes the curve of a [[curveball]]. Any force would likely be minor, though, and unlikely to do things like you see in the Wanted trailers. Additionally, most guns are [[rifled]], to spin the bullet and stabilize it. You would need a special gun to shoot your curve-bullet.

:2. Haven't seen the movie, but if there was a bath which had remarkable regenerative powers, [[Hollywood]] would be using it left and right, and we'd be plagued with late-night [[infomercials]] for "at home" regenerative baths. -- [[Special:Contributions/128.104.112.147|128.104.112.147]] ([[User talk:128.104.112.147|talk]]) 23:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::No, and no. And to preempt your next question, there is also no secret cult of assassins talking to God through a loom. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:But the movie is excellent, ain't it? --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 06:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I didn't think so, no. I even went in expecting a dumb and exciting action movie, but it had pretensions of being so much more. I don't mind dumb movies that don't take themselves seriously, but there is nothing worse than a bad movie that tries to be "deep". [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:: It's possible (theoretically) to have a bullet curve in flight...but we have to be careful how we describe this:

:: Newtons' laws of motion requires that some outside force is applied in order to have the bullet change direction after it leaves the gun. A bullet fired in a vacuum would require little 'rocket thrusters' to apply forces to make it curve. But in air, there are some other options.

:: Soccer players and baseball pitchers can easily cause a ball to curve...to change direction after the 'projectile' has left the 'launcher'. They do this by spinning the ball and rely on the fact that air drag increases as the square of the velocity - so the side of the ball that's rotating forwards gets more drag than the side that's rotating backwards - hence the drag force through the air is asymmetrical and the ball curves in flight. It would be perfectly feasible to construct a gun that spun the bullet to make it curve in flight. However, that curve would be 'built in' to the way the bullet was spinning as it left the barrel.

:: However, one could imagine a bullet containing a gyroscope with a teeny-tiny motor and battery to change the rate of spin of the outside of the bullet by rotating the gyroscope in the opposite direction. A sensor in the nose of the bullet - or radio control from the gun - could cause the motor to spin up or slow down - and thereby steer the aerodynamic curve of the bullet after it left the gun. Alternatively, the bullet could pop out little fins and steer itself like a missile - or use tiny jets of compressed air to adjust its trajectory. So it's not 100% impossible...in theory at least.

:: If the bullet aimed itself using some kind of tiny thermal camera - then it's possible that it could be fired from a conventional gun. The spin imparted by the gun would greatly complicate matters - but an undersized and very hard bullet would fail to adhere to the spiral 'rifleing' inside the barrel so it wouldn't spin so much - and whatever gyro/thruster/fin mechanism steers it could be designed to remove any undesirable spin or account for it while steering.

:: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 11:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::In the movie the bullet travels in a complete circle. I haven't taken a physics class in a while, but changing the direction that much would require as much energy as was originally put into the bullet, yes? Maybe? [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:26, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Applying to Cambridge ==

I got 3 Bs and a C at AS level but only because I had a shit year, didnt study much etc. But I am definitely capable of all As. So Im working my ass of this year and think I can end up with 3 As at A level and could get the C at AS up to an A as well. So I think I can get the grades required for a competitive application to cambridge but since i have to apply now, all they're going to see is what Ive got right now: 3 Bs and a C. Is there any chance of them giving me a conditional offer, the condition being I get my grades up to As or whatever? Or is there a way I could explain that I am capable of getting the required grades so that they at least consider me?
From my knowledge of how applying works, I fear that as soon as they see my current grades they'll turn me down and I won't have a chance of getting in --[[User:RMFan1|RMFan1]] ([[User talk:RMFan1|talk]]) 14:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'm afraid that you may be right, Cambridge is likely too look at your current grades and your predictions and say, NO. You have a chance though if you got very good GCSE grades and write an excellent personal statement, you might get an interview, and if you do it had better go very well for yo to have a chance. But really, no I'm sorry it's not likely. [[User:Harland1|<span style="color:DarkRed">Harland1]] (<sup>[[User talk:Harland1|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Harland1|c]]</sub>)</span> 14:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:They may consider your expected grades, rather than you currently obtained grades, do your teachers agree that you can get them to A's? I think you would need to give a very good reason for having done badly in the 1st year ("didn't study much" isn't going to cut it!). If they give you an offer, it will almost always be conditional (they sometimes give low offers (3 E's, say) to extremely good applicants that they really want and don't want to lose just because they have a bad day for the exam, but they don't give many of those). Cambridge will also require something more than just good grades to get in - if you have some impressive extra-curricular stuff it would definitely help. (Disclaimer: I applied to Cambridge, reached the interview stage, but was rejected, so I'm not an expert on how to get in! I suspect the lack of any good extra-curricular stuff let me down.) --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 14:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well my teachers feel the same way I do, I was too lazy at AS so until they see that I '''am''' working hard this year I dont think theres anything they can do. As for extra-curricular activities, rowing will definitely give me a boost, I am a prefect, and am taking part in other activities but i doubt that alone will make much of a difference --[[User:RMFan1|RMFan1]] ([[User talk:RMFan1|talk]]) 14:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If it's just that you didn't work hard last year, I really don't think you'll be able to get in. You could try taking a gap year and applying afterwards once you have your A-level results and have done something worthwhile for a year, but it's a long shot (and they'll want to know why you didn't apply now and just defer, which is the usual way of taking a gap year). You're probably better off settling for another Uni. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 14:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Do have a good read through [http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/apply/index.html], as well as speaking to your school's careers advisor. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 14:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
If a selective school has a choice between an applicant who got bad or mediocre grades and has hopes or promises of getting better grades, and another applicant who got good grades consistently, the school is ikely to take the student with the unblemished record, unless there are countervailing factors in favor of the less diligent scholar, such as a desire for geographical balance in the student body, athletic prowess, influential relatives or relatives likely to donate huge sums of money to the school. It is pretty common for people who have had a bad year to aspire to do better. It does not always happen. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 15:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the particulars of the English system or your personal resources but if you, say, were in the US, I'd tell you to try and find a real college counselor (e.g. the type that work for expensive private schools, not the schmoes they use at public schools who get paid a shit salary), because someone like that can really make the difference in applications and can tell you with reasonable precision what your options really are. Hiring one for personal work is not cheap but if you're serious about playing in the big leagues they can make the difference, at least in the US. Most people who don't experience with those sorts of institutions directly are not aware of how vital someone like that can be. It's not about shady dealings (at those levels of education, money doesn't mean much unless you've REALLY got it), it's about knowing exactly how the admission offices of these sorts of institutions work and knowing exactly how to market the student. (And knowing what's a lost cause.) --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 19:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:I've never heard of anyone in the UK paying for someone to help them fill out Uni applications. Most schools/colleges will have people that can help, though, and it's a good idea to talk to them. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 20:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::The important step in getting into Cambridge is to perform well at interview, not to fill in the form well. There are certainly people who charge (a lot of) money to coach people for the interview. Of course, a good school will do this for free. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 21:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Even if you got 5 As at AS you would not necessarily get an interview at Oxbridge. But why fret about it? Sounds like you will get the grades to get into into a good "pre-1992" uni and so long as you work consistently you'll enjoy your time and do really well there. If that doesn't appeal, then consider doing an apprenticeship and earning some money straight away. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] ([[User talk:Itsmejudith|talk]]) 22:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
For the benefit of non-UK readers, what is "AS?" In the US there is high school. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 23:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:The last two years of what you would call [[High school]] is what we call [[sixth form]]. Just under half of 16-18 year olds take the traditional "General Certificate of Education Advanced level" university entrance route in this phase. They can study either in the same school where they were from 11-16 or in a [[sixth form college]] or in a [[further education]] college, depending on what the set-up is in the area where they live. After one year, students take Advanced Subsidiary Level (AS), usually in four or five subjects. Then in the second year they go on to take A2, usually in three to four subjects. The pass grades are A, B, C, D and E. You apply to uni through [[UCAS]] at the start of your second year (i.e. about now), when you know your AS grades and your teachers predict your A2 grades. The unis give offers ''conditional'' on obtaining certain grades at A2. Generally speaking, Oxford and Cambridge universities (the equivalent of your Ivy League) are looking for straight As. Other internationally-renowned universities might want ABB at A2. Even if you only get two Es, you can probably get in ''somewhere'' to do ''something'', but at that point you really do need good careers advice. The above applies in England. Totally different in Scotland. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] ([[User talk:Itsmejudith|talk]]) 23:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::See also [[Advanced Level (UK)]], for examination & assessment details. [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 23:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::To the OP: if you really want to go to Cambridge, then give a shot...you'll never know unless you try. It might also depend on what school you now attend: in an attempt to widen the applications (ie get a balance of people from various education backgrounds), Oxbridge have in the past interviewed some students with low grades, if they believed they might achieve higher results given a better environment. But while Cambridge has a certain name and status, there are many other quality universities in the UK worth considering. Depending on your subject, your extra-curricular interests, or your socialising preferences, other universities might be more suitable (just one example: if you like city life, you might find Cambridge too small). Talk to people you know who have been to different universities. Visit some of them. Consider the lecture sizes, the pastoral care and support, the cost of living, the student facilities and accommodation, the availability of part time work to supplement your money, and so on. [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 23:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You have other university choices to fall back on, so you might as well apply to Cambridge if you really want to. You will, needless to say, have to devote part of your personal statement to explaining your low AS grades, and it may be advisable to ring the admissions secretary or similar at the college you apply to (don't submit an open application in your situation) in order to clarify your chances. If you get rejected before the interview stage, then it is still worth attempting to ring up or communicate directly with the college to argue your case. As was mentioned before, however, I think it would be best to take a year out and wait for your A2 results before applying.--<font face="Forte">[[User:Diniz|<span style="color:#FFFF00;background:black">Diniz</span>]][[User talk:Diniz|<span style="color:#000000;background:yellow">(talk)</span>]]</font> 23:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

If you're not familiar with Cambridge, go and take a look around, and also look at some other universities with good reputations in the subject you wish to study. If your heart is still set on Cambridge, I'd go for the year out option - the chances of being interviewed for Cambridge with BBBC at AS are slim; the chances of being interviewed with AAA achieved at A level are high, and you may be able to use the year out to gain some valuable relevant experience. If a year out isn't an option, then by all means apply to Cambridge, but don't expect too much, and look seriously at your other options - BBBC should get you offers on most courses at most universities. Part of my job involves working on university admissions; most of the advice above looks sound to me, but don't think of getting someone else to write your personal statement - we would take a very dim view of this, and have in the past withdrawn offers due to personal statements being plagiarised from websites. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 09:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for all your advice guys. If I applied to the unis I want to go to this year including cambridge and say cambridge didnt give me an offer. Then at A2 I did in fact achieve all As and decided I wanted to take a gap year to try and get into cambridge the following year, would I be at any disadvantage because of the fact Ive already applied or would they still have to reconsider me? --[[User:RMFan1|RMFan1]] ([[User talk:RMFan1|talk]]) 14:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::I couldn't say for sure whether this would put you at a disadvantage, but I'm sure that Cambridge would have your previous rejection on file, and might choose to take it in to account. Universities have to, on request, give reasons for their rejections, and if this situation did arise, it might be wise to check the reason (to see if the rejection is solely on the grounds of your predicted grades), and enquire directly from the department you are applying to how they would view an application based on actual grades, after a year out. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 15:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Laminated padlocks ==

What exactly is a [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22laminated+padlock%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a laminated padlock]? What is the lamination, that is :-) Thanks! <font color="#FFA000">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]]§[[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|contribs]]─╢</font> 15:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:The word "laminated" appears to be in the sense of "flat plate" (which I think is what a lamina is but haven't looked it up). Thus a laminated padlock is one made of stacked metal plates instead of a solid block of metal. Look at "laminated padlock" on Google Images. Also, [http://www.answers.com/topic/padlock this] on Answers.com has a clear explanation (paragraph beginning "In the early 1920s...").--[[Special:Contributions/212.248.232.249|212.248.232.249]] ([[User talk:212.248.232.249|talk]]) 16:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks. Would you happen to know what the security benefit of such a structure is? <font color="#FFA000">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]]§[[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|contribs]]─╢</font> 16:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:::There may be better answers, but my sense has always been that they are easy to manufacture, but not the ideal design from a security standpoint. --[[User:Scray|Scray]] ([[User talk:Scray|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:::From [http://www.masterlock.com/about/history.shtml Master Lock: About Us]: "In 1919, locksmith and inventor Harry Soref had a thought: if bank vault doors and battle ships were built in laminated layers of steel for greater strength, why not make padlocks the same way?" Note that this is compared to the hollow locks then in use - no word on if laminated locks are better than solid locks. However, constructing the lock out of many thinner layers may allow you to use a better grade of steel, one that might be impossible or very expensive to machine a solid padlock from. So while a solid padlock made of the same material might be better (although I can't say for sure), at a given price point you may be able to afford a better quality laminated lock than a solid lock. -- [[Special:Contributions/128.104.112.147|128.104.112.147]] ([[User talk:128.104.112.147|talk]]) 23:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::::With the laminated locks, you only have to hacksaw or drill through the two rivets that hold it together. Those don't seem to be as hard as the shackle - and they probably can't be because they have to be soft enough to form as rivets. So for that reason, I presume the laminated kind are somewhat less secure than the solid body kind. However, it's possible that some detail of the construction of solid padlocks makes them less secure for some other reason. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== 2008 China Milk Scare ==

Generally speaking, will the babies that are affected by the melanin in the 2008 China Milk scandal recover from their kidney stones? Or will they suffer permanent kidney damages? [[User:Acceptable|Acceptable]] ([[User talk:Acceptable|talk]]) 15:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:Since, as far as I know, there were some deaths reported among the infected babies, I'd say the damage is rather permanent. Start [[2008 baby milk scandal|here]]. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 06:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::From [[melamine]]: "these melamine cyanurate crystals don’t dissolve easily. They go away slowly, if at all, so there is the potential for chronic toxicity.", so I'm guessing yes. --[[User: Antilived|antilived]]<sup>[[User_talk:Antilived|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Antilived|C]] | [[User:Antilived/Gallery|G]]</sup> 07:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Shipping cost, cheapest prices ==

What would be the cheapest way to ship a 20" - 24" CRT television from Colorado to Texas? Ground shipping would be the cheapest, of course and I am pretty sure USPS would be the cheapest carrier. However, I am not familiar with the way I can minimize my shipping costs. Please advise. [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 16:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

: I recommend using eBay's "Shipping calculator". The cost depends on both the size and weight of your package. I'd guess that a 24" TV would need a 30"x30"x30" box and probably weighs about 30lbs. That's too flat out too big and too heavy for USPS. UPS Ground will charge you $130! (UPS Air, next day deliver is $750!!!) No matter what, something that heavy will be costly to ship. Have you considered selling your TV in Colorado and buying a new one in Texas? You can pick up a used 24" TV in Dallas for ~$35 (I looked on Craigslist for about 30 seconds and found three at around that price) - you could do even better if you spent an afternoon cruising local garage sales. I'd be very surprised if you could ship your TV to Texas for as little as $35 - so even if you gave away your TV for $0 - you'd still be better off! Another consideration: Dunno whether you intend to get cable or satellite when you arrive in Texas - but remember that the impending change to digital TV in February means that there will be an awful lot of old Analog TV's on the market very soon! [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 21:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I do have cable, SteveBaker. I am not worried about the transition at all (who watches over the air, anyways?). A second television would be great. I can certainly wait for the old Analog TVs. Do you have any idea when this junk will start arriving in the market? I am giving the TV in Colorado away. There's no point. [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 22:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:::"''Full-power terrestrial broadcasts using the analog NTSC standard will be required by law to cease by February 17, 2009.''" (see [[List_of_digital_television_deployments_by_country#United_States]]). People can buy convertors - and there is a government voucher program to assist people with buying them - and cable/satellite TV will support analog TV for some time to come - so it's not like analog TV's suddenly become worthless. However, the end of the line for analog TV is on the horizon and people will presumably start replacing them as the deadline looms. So I presume (without proof) that the cost of used analog TVs has already dropped - or will soon start to drop.

:::At any rate - the answer to your original question remains the same - don't ship your TV - dump the old one and buy a used one in Texas to replace it. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 23:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Thank you very much, Steve. You have been most helpful. [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 21:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Roommates and Sex ==

What does one do when one has been walked in on by one's roommate during sex? There was a warning sock on the door handle, so he just misunderstood, but I have no idea whether I should apologize, or leave for a week, or what.

So, what does one do?

[[Special:Contributions/146.57.84.68|146.57.84.68]] ([[User talk:146.57.84.68|talk]]) 17:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:Laugh it off? You should probably talk about it to ensure it won't happen again - clearly he wasn't familiar with the sock convention. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 18:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:I've always thought it was pretty mandatory to have a "sex talk" with the roommate early on. Make sure you're on the same base with the conventions (socks on doors) and some basic rules (stay in your own bed, be courteous about how you are forcing people out of the room, don't be a pig about it during exams, etc.). Figure out, say, whether it is acceptable to have people occasionally spend the night (which is a burden on the other roommate and so should probably be limited). You probably should have already done that but now that you've had this you should confront it directly and have a good sit down over it. Don't overreact and don't be overly embarrassed but try to be sympathetic to your roommate, esp. if he is not actually going to likely be having over many ladyfolk of his own. In almost all roommate interactions the best policy is to know where the boundaries are and to then respect them—that way there are no surprises, no irritations, no awkward moments. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 19:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:My kid just started at college and although they have individual bedrooms, they do share apartments. The college gives every student a copy of "The Naked Roommate: And 107 Other Issues You Might Run Into in College" by Harlan Cohen. It's a really good book (and funny too) that covers exactly this kind of situation. I strongly recommend it for both you and your <s>victim</s>roommate. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 20:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


:Get a room! Your roommate is paying as much as you are. The only excuse for excluding the roommate from enjoyment of the premises is that the roommate has an equal expectation of privacy for such lyrical interludes as yours that that was briefly interrupted. You certainly have no expectation of seizing exclusive use of the room overnight, with the roommate left to sleep in a chair in the lounge. Get the dirty deed done, and send the correspondent on the "walk of shame" back to his/her residence. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 22:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::You could always invite him for a threesome I guess. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 23:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd never heard of the sock convention. Good thing to know (although I think it unlikely I'll ever be living in an American dorm). [[User:Steewi|Steewi]] ([[User talk:Steewi|talk]]) 23:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::::My room mate and I were able to talk about it. Whenever one of us had a friend over the other would sleep on the couch. Neither of us really abused the situation, and it worked out fine. It doesn't have to be a big deal if you both talk sensibly about it. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Any Way I could hear how this sounds? ==

[[Image talk:Lead Sheet.jpg]]
Could someone upload a music file playing this short? (I'll give you a barnstar!)--[[User:Ye Olde Luke|Ye Olde Luke]] ([[User talk:Ye Olde Luke|talk]]) 19:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:I made a MIDI file. www.geocities.com/bavi_h/Lead.mid --[[User:Bavi H|Bavi H]] ([[User talk:Bavi H|talk]]) 01:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::A barnstar pimp! [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::that actually sounds pretty cool. Thanks Bavi! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ye Olde Luke|Ye Olde Luke]] ([[User talk:Ye Olde Luke|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ye Olde Luke|contribs]]) 23:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== I want this headwear ==

[http://www.csmonitor.com/photosoftheday/index.php?image=4&date=2008/0921/] What's it called? Looks like I'll head to Turkmenistan one day. [[User:Lotsofissues|Lotsofissues]] ([[User talk:Lotsofissues|talk]]) 22:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.turkmenistaninfo.ru/?page_id=6&type=article&elem_id=page_6/magazine_33/264&lang_id=en This page] says it's a 'telpek'. [[User:Steewi|Steewi]] ([[User talk:Steewi|talk]]) 23:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

= September 22 =

== Health draw (dessin santé) ==

I m wondering if the "sun"; that suposed to reflect the father; could reflect "autority" too?
Thank you for your time and devotion, Marie-Eve <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.55.245.184|69.55.245.184]] ([[User talk:69.55.245.184|talk]]) 00:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[[Son]] or [[sun]]? [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Potentially, both. The ambiguity is possible when the picture on French website [http://www.dessinsante.com/ dessin santé] is read by an English speaker. But I don't think we can give an answer, as the point of the website seems to be that your personal interpretation of the picture is supposed to reveal insights into your psychological make-up. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] ([[User talk:Itsmejudith|talk]]) 10:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Which means, yeah, if you see a way that it could reflect authority, then it does. It depends entirely on whomever is viewing the picture. --[[User:Ye Olde Luke|Ye Olde Luke]] ([[User talk:Ye Olde Luke|talk]]) 23:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Debt (and more) ==

Since the United States has such a staggering debt and is spending so much money on things such as bailing out gigantor bank companies and fighting terrorists in the Middle East, why can't the treasury just whip up a $50,000,000,000,000 bill to cover the debt and save all the failing companies? [[Special:Contributions/75.169.212.113|75.169.212.113]] ([[User talk:75.169.212.113|talk]]) 02:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because that would reduce the value of all the other money. It's is called [[inflation]], or even [[hyperinflation]]. The [[Weimar Republic]] used that trick once. [[Zimbabwe]] is using it now. The consequences are disastrous. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply. Just curious, if you don't mind my further inquiring, how does this devalue all other money? Why does this devalue money? It would seem that, with the elimination of debt that an economy would perhaps rebound, but apparently not so? [[Special:Contributions/75.169.212.113|75.169.212.113]] ([[User talk:75.169.212.113|talk]]) 03:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Think of it this way. You have one vase. It's so beautiful that someone will pay you $100 for it. If you had two then you should get $200, right? Not really. Because the person buying it wants that one special vase. The more there are, the less someone will pay for it. Some economist is probably going to tell me that my comparison is flawed in a lot of ways but the basics are basically the same. If you pour a bunch of something into a market, the price or value should go down. And I think that Plasticup meant the [[Weimar Republic]]. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I did mean the Weimar Republic, and you edit-conflicted my correction! [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Imagine that a market is selling 5 apples. 5 people show up, each with $1. The market equilibrium price is $1 per apple. Now imagine that the government prints a whole load of money, and everyone at the market has $3 each. When they show up to buy the 5 apples each of them can offer more, trying to outbid the others, and the market equilibrium price will rise to $3. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]'s explaination is pretty good, just backwards. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::: If the government prints more money - then someone somewhere ends up with more money - that eventually gets into the economy and makes lots of people have more money. Suppose everyone magically wins a million dollars - nobody will go to work for $10 per hour - if nobody works, no food is grown, no products are on the shelves - we all die. Hence salaries have to go up enough so that people will work - $1000 an hour will do that. That'll drive prices up. Pretty soon, people will need to work because a loaf of bread costs a thousand dollars.

::: If those were the only consequences, maybe we wouldn't care - just write an extra zero on the end of all of the bank notes every year and nobody cares - right?

::: Sadly, no. The process of money losing value is devastating. Anyone who has been saving suddenly finds that the money they had doesn't buy anything anymore - inflation is like stealing money from careful savers and rewarding people who run up large credit card debts. However, many of the people who are sitting on large piles of "saved" money are banks and investors who lend it out to people...when they see their large pile of cash shrinking in value due to inflation, they try to make it grow more quickly by pushing up borrower's interest rates. That means that the people who have shrinking debts now get stung with high interest rates on those debts - which is bad for them too. All of this is disruptive and scares people - confidence in the currency is lost - other countries no longer want to trade X of their currency for Y amount of dollars - they start to demand 2Y dollars. As your currency falls in value, initially, it seems like a good thing. Your goods that you make for Y dollars now sell for X/2 in other countries so your exports start to look attractive. Sadly, things you used to be able to buy for Y dollars from China - now cost 2Y dollars - which pushes prices up...more inflation.

::: Inflation is tough to control - prices go up - people demand more wages - that increases prices - round and round. Government is not immune to price rises - they have to buy stuff too, but increasing taxes while prices are spiralling upwards is VERY unpopular. So instead of raising taxes - they print more money. The more money they print, the worse things get. Pretty soon it takes a wheelbarrow full of dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread...then a truckload. People DARE not save...as soon as they get their pay, they must rush out and spend it all on...anything...because within a few days, it's going to be worth nothing. Now nobody dares to save - so there is no capital to be had to start businesses, to buy machinery. Industry is rapidly crippled. Unemployment and food shortages are inevitable. Before you know it, you're a third-world country.

::: So you can't print money to get yourself out of a crisis...although that is precisely what the US government are doing.

::: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 03:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Firstly, you are describing hyperinflation, which is many many orders of magnitude larger than regular old 3-20% inflation. Mild to moderate inflation isn't that bad, especially when it is steady. Secondly, that is ''not'' what the U.S. Government is doing. They are financing their debt through the sale of securities, not by printing money. Your solution causes inflation, their solution causes a government deficit. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 04:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gasoline Consumption ==

What would use up more gas: using the air conditioner or wind resistance from having the windows down? i must know, i live in the freaking desert![[User:The juggresurection|<font color='#ff0000'>'''the juggresurection'''</font>]] [[User Talk:the juggresurection|<sup>(>-.-(Vಠ_ಠ)</sup>]] 03:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:I would imagine that this depends on how fast you go, the faster you go, the more effecient the AC becomes when compared to opening the windows, since the wind resistence will increase with the speed of the car. - [[User:Akamad|Akamad]] ([[User talk:Akamad|talk]]) 03:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::well, on my way to my college campus, i encounter speed limits varying between 35 and 55 mph. [[User:The juggresurection|<font color='#ff0000'>'''the juggresurection'''</font>]] [[User Talk:the juggresurection|<sup>(>-.-(Vಠ_ಠ)</sup>]] 03:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::This was covered by a [[MythBusters (season 3)#AC vs. Windows Down|''Mythbusters'' episode]]. According to our article, windows down is better below 50 mph. As I recall however, they didn't test it in the desert. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 03:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:cool. thank you, as you can imagine with gas prices these days, any kind of gas reducing technique will help. [[User:The juggresurection|<font color='#ff0000'>'''the juggresurection'''</font>]] [[User Talk:the juggresurection|<sup>(>-.-(Vಠ_ಠ)</sup>]] 03:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:::[[Mythbusters]] did a really careful set of tests on this and decided that there was a threshold speed - above which closing the windows and turning on the AC was more fuel-efficient than turning off the AC and opening the windows. However, what that speed is will depend on the kind of car you drive. I believe that the threshold is likely to lie somewhere between 35 and 55mph though - so you might find yourself opening and closing windows like a madman as you do your daily drive in an effort to optimise your gas consumption. That would be bad because every time you open the windows, all of that cool air spills out and when you close them again, the AC will have to work hard to get the temperature back down again. I suggest that a simple rule would be to close windows and turn on the AC for freeway driving and open the windows and turn off the AC when you're in town. Sadly, I find that the reverse is comfortable. Here in Texas, 110F daytime temperatures are possible. At low speeds, the airflow isn't enough to compensate for the higher air temperatures so I NEED the windows to be closed and the AC to be on. Airflow only cools you down when the ambient air is below body temperature - once the thermometer hits 100F - forget opening the windows! But the savings are of the order of 5% for small cars and much less for big SUV's - so it's not that big a deal. You can get better fuel savings by driving a manual transmission car and shifting so as to keep the RPM's solidly in the 2000 to 3000 range (especially when accellerating). [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 03:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't really like that Mythbusters experiment: the 2 car experiment they did had the AC on full blast for the whole journey, and they had to wear heavy jackets and things to keep warm. Who would do that? If the AC was left at a sane setting I think it would have lasted a lot longer. --[[User: Antilived|antilived]]<sup>[[User_talk:Antilived|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Antilived|C]] | [[User:Antilived/Gallery|G]]</sup> 07:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I live over here in central Arizona, and at this time of the year, its starting to get cooler out, so i might not have to worry about it for very much longer. but as far as what car i drive, its a 1992 Ford Crown Victoria LTD Police edition. not very car savvy so i couldnt tell you the engine size or anything.[[User:The juggresurection|<font color='#ff0000'>'''the juggresurection'''</font>]] [[User Talk:the juggresurection|<sup>(>-.-(Vಠ_ಠ)</sup>]] 03:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Why do American Colleges have two people per dorm room? ==

Why do American Colleges have two people per dorm room? It also can happen in the UK, but 1 per room is much more common and generally the two per room only applies to non-first year students who choose to do this. -- [[User:SGBailey|SGBailey]] ([[User talk:SGBailey|talk]]) 05:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty obvious that the reason to stuff multiple students in a room is money. As to why this would be different between the States and the UK, I don't really know, but I can speculate that more of the American dorms were built more recently, and the market conditions had changed (though I don't know in exactly what way). As a possible data point, at [[Caltech]], where I did my undergrad, there were two groups of houses (see [[House System at the California Institute of Technology]]), called the ''old houses'' and ''new houses''. The old houses were built in the 1930s and had mostly single rooms; the new houses were built in the sixties or so and had mostly doubles. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 07:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Dorm rooms for more than one person are the norm in Poland wherever you go, with fairly typical rooms having 2-4 persons, in a variety of configurations (i. e. two double/triple rooms sharing a bathroom and kitchen area). The obvious reason is money, furthermore it's easier to build fewer doubles than more singles, and allows to house more people in a building of roughly the same volume. Rooms for multiple persons can also induce socialisation, which is what dorm life is about after all. A single room is considered a luxury here, although I have had the pleasure of living in a single room in a dorm in Cologne in Germany, where nine single rooms shared a common room, kitchen and four bathrooms on one half of a dorm floor. Cheers, [[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 09:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I think there's a supervision aspect to it, as well as the financial one. Roommates watch each other. Suicidally depressed people often get reported to the college authorities by their roommates, etc. [[User:Darkspots|Darkspots]] ([[User talk:Darkspots|talk]]) 10:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::So we have several reasons for having double rooms, but none for why they should exist in some places but not in others (Trovatore's speculation fails, alas; many UK universities have been built since the '60s, and the rest all have lots of new accommodation, but little of it is double-rooms). Here's my random try: is it normal in the US for undergraduates to be offered accommodation by their college throughout their degree? It isn't in the UK, so that could explain the difference. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 11:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::When I was at an old UK university the newer dorms almost all had single rooms, whereas the older ones had shared rooms. I was told that the older shared rooms used to be single rooms, because pre-launderette and pre central heating one person would need the space for coal scuttles, ash pans, drying racks and ironing boards. In the 70s my clothes never saw an Iron unless I went home to my parent's house but in Victorian times evidently suite shirt and tie and neat appearance was the order of the day. -- [[User:Q Chris|Q Chris]] ([[User talk:Q Chris|talk]]) 12:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:There is a false premise here. Not all US colleges work that way. My son is at the [[University of Texas at Dallas]] - they have apartments with four small study/bedrooms for four students. There is a shared kitchen, laundry-room, balcony, storage space and lounge area plus two full bathrooms. The apartments are unfurnished - although they come with a full set of appliances (Cooker, fridge, washer, drier) and there are built-in desks in each bedroom. The bedrooms are small - but perfectly adequate for one person. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 11:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::The premiss can, I think, be saved by the word 'usually'. I don't have figures (does anyone here have them?), but I believe this practice is quite normal in the US, while to me (in England) it is almost unthinkably barbaric. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 14:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::At my UK Uni (Durham) we have some shared rooms, but they're a tiny minority, and you only have to share for a maximum of one term unless you volunteer to share again. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 14:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Because two dissimilar people sharing one room is a theme of American comedy? (i.e. don't watch too much American television.) [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 11:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

So far as I can tell, the norm here in Ontario is to have two people per room. At [[Wilfrid Laurier University]] we noticed that the pairings were not random, but rather generally followed a rule of thumb: same or similar major, one person local and one person from far away, one person from a large city and one person from a rural area or small town. Not always; the numbers just wouldn't work all the way through, but often enough that it was obviously intentional. Worked well! [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:Folklore<sup>[verification needed]</sup> has it that my college, once upon a time, had four persons in one room in a boys' dorm - an altogether of eight people sharing a common bathroom. Even if it really happened, it did not last long and things went back to four people sharing a bathroom really soon. It seems that at least on-campus freshmen are supposed to have roommates, unless they specifically request to have a room by themselves. [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 21:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::If you can request a single room, why doesn't everyone do so? --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 21:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Presumably because, as we are discussing, in the US (but not the UK) it is considered normal and healthy for students to share a bedroom. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 21:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::On-campus student accommodation in North America tends to be very low-grade compared to normal people's housing -- typically crowded and dreary. This is considered part of the college experience, at least for the first year or two. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Single rooms are more expensive. --[[User:Nricardo|Nricardo]] ([[User talk:Nricardo|talk]]) 02:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:::When I was an undergraduate, the supply of single rooms was limited, and preference was given to upperclassmen. When I was a freshman, some friends of mine got singles in the middle of their sophomore (2nd) year. But I couldn't get one until my senior (4th) year, due to higher demand. (The singles also cost more, as Nricardo said.) -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 11:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I assume that "upperclassmen" means 3rd or 4th years, not aristos? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes. If we had any aristocrats at my large state university, I expect they lived in nicer off-campus apartments or houses, not the dorms. (Actually, I recently found out that some of our undergraduate [[American football|football]] players live in on-campus "graduate student apartments", which are much nicer than the dorms. I suppose they are our aristocrats.) -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 13:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Presumably, then, part of the reason is that US students have less money than UK ones. In the UK the student loan is usually easily enough to pay for university-provided single accommodation. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 12:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not really, at least in my experience. It was simply a matter of there not being enough single rooms. (Perhaps it's not clear&mdash;the single rooms were physically smaller than the normal double rooms. They accounted for maybe 10&ndash;15% of the rooms in my dorm. There was no provision for getting a regular double room to yourself.) -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 13:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Anti-Islamist bias in Muslim countries ==

"In Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Algeria, a man with a long beard is often treated as an Islamist — and sometimes denied work. Not here in Dubai." [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/world/middleeast/22dubai.html?ref=world]

I've been to the Levant and don't remember seeing long beards but also don't recall hearing anything about discrimination against Islamists. I always assumed many people would identify as such. Background behind that passage? Thanks.

[[User:Lotsofissues|Lotsofissues]] ([[User talk:Lotsofissues|talk]]) 07:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:In at least two of those countries (Egypt and Syria), the [[Muslim Brotherhood|main Islamist party]] is an illegal organization. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 10:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::But is the ban on the Muslim Brotherhood directed by anything resembling popular opinion? [[User:Lotsofissues|Lotsofissues]] ([[User talk:Lotsofissues|talk]]) 07:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Earliest Egyptian Sea Voyage ==

When was the earliest Egyptian sea voyage? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.91.37.33|199.91.37.33]] ([[User talk:199.91.37.33|talk]]) 11:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The ancient Egyptians probably sailed in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea their entire history but like other ancient people they most likely never went far out to sea preferring to stay in sight of land. It is likely that their furthest voyage was to the [[Land of Punt]] and as that article says that was first recorded in the [[25th century BCE]]. ''<small><font color="#000000">[[User:MeltBanana|meltBanana]]</font></small>'' 23:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Space exploration ==

<sub><Question Moved to the [[WP:RD/s|Science Desk]]> [[User:Fribbler|Fribbler]] ([[User talk:Fribbler|talk]]) 12:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</sub>

== irish surnames ==

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames#Ireland]]. I am concerned that the 5th and 20th name are in fact the same. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.16.148.143|92.16.148.143]] ([[User talk:92.16.148.143|talk]]) 16:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:They are the same. The list has been mangled by repeated questionable edits. And the original source from The Observer, I can't seem to get that on their website any more. [[User:Fribbler|Fribbler]] ([[User talk:Fribbler|talk]]) 17:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::I was trying to go back through the history to figure it all out. It appears that 19 and 20 should be Quinn and Moore - and that even predates the addition of the reference to the Observer list. I also was unsuccessful in located that original source. I am almost positive that 20 shouldn't be "Smidt". Who knew such a trivial article would attract so much vandalism? --[[User:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F">LarryMac</font>]][[User talk:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F"><small> | Talk</small></font>]] 18:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Name of model ==

I'm looking for the name of the model in an advert. It's a strange ad because there is no apparent brand name or product being sold. It features a scantily clad woman holding the moon in her hand, and the word "diesel" below her. Any know it? It's in England BTW, I saw it on the Tramlink. [[Special:Contributions/79.76.159.93|79.76.159.93]] ([[User talk:79.76.159.93|talk]]) 19:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

: Are you certain there's [[Diesel S.p.A.|no brand name]]? -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 19:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::Are you looking for the name of the woman, OP? OR the brand that is being marketed? [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 21:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The first sentence of the OP's post is "I'm looking for the name '''of the model''' in an advert" (emphasis added). <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::There is apparently a brand of jeans called Diesel. Their advert [http://memeticmoon.blogspot.com/2008/05/diesel-jeans-elle-magazine-sept-2007.html here] involves the moon or some similar celestial object. Did the word "diesel" look like the logo on that image? Was the model in the advert wearing jeans? <small>(Oops, I just noticed that Coneslayer has already pointed you in the same direction.)</small> [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 13:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::I know the ad you're talking about. I'll try and get a picture on my way home so others might be able identify for you. [[User:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="color:red">'''Jessica'''</span>]][[User talk:Jessica Thunderbolt|<span style="background-color:black;"><span style="color:yellow">Thunderbolt</span></span>]] 13:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== NFL and MLB ==

Why some teams are belong to American side and others are belong to National? What is the difference between National and American? Why Toronto is called an American while Montreal was called National? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.204.74.94|142.204.74.94]] ([[User talk:142.204.74.94|talk]]) 20:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Your title references the NFL, but your question doesn't seem to mention anything about (American) football. Major League Baseball (MLB) comprises two ''leagues'', the [[National League]] and the [[American League]]. The [[Montreal Expos]] were created as a National League team simply because they applied for membership at a time when the NL was undergoing expansion. Similarly, the [[Toronto Blue Jays]] were awarded their franchise at a time when the AL was expanding. --[[User:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F">LarryMac</font>]][[User talk:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F"><small> | Talk</small></font>]] 20:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:For the NFL side of things, the league is divided into two conferences, named the [[National Football Conference]] and [[American Football Conference]]. Unlike MLB, these are not distinct leagues -- rules and suchlike are identical between them. The names, however, date back to the AFC's origins as the [[American Football League]], an upstart competitor of the NFL that became significant enough that it forced a 1970 [[NFL-AFL merger|merger]]. At the present time, though, a team being "American" or "National" signifies nothing more than its present conference affiliation. &mdash; [[User talk:Lomn|Lomn]] 20:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::The only significant difference between the American and National leagues is the use of the [[designated hitter]]. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 21:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The National League of baseball was founded in 1876; the American League became a major league in 1903. Until recently, these were two separate organizations with their own umpiring crews and rulemaking bodies. Why were the Expos assigned to the NL? Don't know; I'm sure there was a reason why Montreal and San Diego were put in the NL while Kansas City and the Seattle Pilots were put in the AL. Toronto was added to the AL because that was the only league that expanded in 1977. They added two teams, and it's hard to make schedules for an odd number of teams, so they added both teams to the AL. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Another difference is the "1 o'clock" AM rule in the AL. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.88.205.224|68.88.205.224]] ([[User talk:68.88.205.224|talk]]) 12:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The correct date for the American league becoming a major league is 1901; 1903 was the first [[World Series]] between the two leagues. Montreal ended up in the National League because the AL was first to chose its expansion teams in 1968, picking KC and Seattle. Montreal joined the process late and the two spots left to fill were in the NL. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.236.147.118|207.236.147.118]] ([[User talk:207.236.147.118|talk]]) 18:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Paying rent ==

My 24 year old son (from a previous marriage) lives with my husband and I. He pays us $200. a month in rent. Not because we need the money, more to teach him responsibility. He started working out of town this week (he pays for a hotel room 4 nights a week) and doesn't plan on comming home most weekends (opting to stay with friends in the area instead). Should he still pay us rent even tho he is basically never here? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.150.20.248|98.150.20.248]] ([[User talk:98.150.20.248|talk]]) 21:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Why would he pay you rent if he's not living in your house? This seems a very strange question... --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 22:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


-There may the occassional weekend that he does come home and the majority of his things will still be here. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.150.20.248|98.150.20.248]] ([[User talk:98.150.20.248|talk]]) 22:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Well, you could charge him for storage and per night, but it would seem petty to me. He's not staying with you because he doesn't want to support himself, he's just coming home to visit his parents, by the sound of it. Most parents complain their children don't visit enough, charging him to visit would be an unusual parenting style... --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 22:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks....I agree with you. I'm simply gathering ammo for the possible disagreement that may occur with my spouse. lol Thanks again! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.150.20.248|98.150.20.248]] ([[User talk:98.150.20.248|talk]]) 22:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The storage is probably most likely to be an issue - your spouse might not like having your son's stuff stored in the house as though he's living there when he's not actually living there. Perhaps you could entice him to pack a lot of his stuff to be kept as storage. That might ameliorate the issue a bit more. [[User:Steewi|Steewi]] ([[User talk:Steewi|talk]]) 02:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:If he had a traditional landlord/tenant relationship, he would still owe the landlord the rent every month. If you're trying to teach him responsibility, why not charge him the $200 each month whether he's there or not? What are you teaching him otherwise? That as long as he's related to the landlord, he can get free storage for his stuff whether he "lives" there or not? That's not how the outside world works, so what really are you teaching him? <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::I disagree, the "outside world" includes families and most families won't ask for storage charges or put a kids belongings on the front lawn as soon as he moves out. Depending on the space you have I would get him to go through his belongings and pack them in crates you can store in the attic or somewhere. When my daughter moved out we got her to sort things into categories of rubbish, e-bay, charity shop, things to store and things to take. She made £50 on e-bay, a considerable donation to charity and had a surprising amount of rubbish tucked away in her room! We now store some crates in the attic and will probably keep them until she has a more permanent address. -- [[User:Q Chris|Q Chris]] ([[User talk:Q Chris|talk]]) 09:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:::I also disagree with Dismas. One's parents can never be traditional landlords (which doesn't mean I'm against charging rent to adult children who live with their parents). Providing free storage for stuff is part of what family members sometimes do for each other. One way you can show your husband that your son has moved out, is by starting to use the room, for instance for storing some of your own stuff there. Keep the bed there of course, because I guess you still want your son to be able to stay the night when he comes. Good luck with your husband! --[[User:Lova Falk|Lova Falk]] ([[User talk:Lova Falk|talk]]) 18:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


:If the rent really isn't about the money then continue to charge him rent but keep the rent money stashed away. You could always return it to him when he wants to put a down payment on a house or security for his own apartment.--[[User:Droptone|droptone]] ([[User talk:Droptone|talk]]) 11:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== pebble tec ==

folks have made comments about the swimming pool finish called pebble tec, but i cannot find them ... HELP???


http://www.pebbletec.com/ <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.150.20.248|98.150.20.248]] ([[User talk:98.150.20.248|talk]]) 22:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Dear OP,
::Please explain what your did to try to find this? I mean, I went to the most well known search engine on the planet (Google.com) and typed "pebble tec" into the only available space and pressed the RETURN key. http://www.pebbletec.com was the first AND second result it returned. How the heck did you not find them? Your computer skills are clearly good enough to find the Wikipedia help desk. How the heck is it possible that you didn't try google?!?!
::[[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Is it possible this is an advertisement? --[[User:Scray|Scray]] ([[User talk:Scray|talk]]) 01:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::'s good to know that Wikipedia is more popular than Google or that swimming pool finish (thing). --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 05:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)



= September 23 =

== McCowan Subway Station ==

Why is there a McCowan and Scarborough centre station if they are 600 metres apart, there is an elevator at the Scarborough Centre Station, the 4 bus routes that stop at McCowan also stop at Scarborough and there are 9 more stations there and a bus terminal? Also there is connection to Go transit and a mall from Scarborough. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.247.0.42|99.247.0.42]] ([[User talk:99.247.0.42|talk]]) 00:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Well, crossing the road either way is kind of a pain in the ass, so maybe it was useful to have another stop after the mall (although according to [[McCowan (TTC)]] it is one of the least busiest stops). Maybe the RT was supposed to go farther, it's not unheard of to have stops that close elsewhere, like downtown; maybe they expected Scarborough to grow faster. Maybe McCowan was supposed to be the spot where the trains turn around, not a station, but they put one there anyway. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 03:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Bush's SAT Scores ==

What did President George W. Bush score on his SAT I and II's? [[User:Acceptable|Acceptable]] ([[User talk:Acceptable|talk]]) 01:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Bush is about 30 years to old to have taken those tests. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 01:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Say what? Bush would have been at the age to take the tests in around 1963 or 1964; the tests certainly existed then. Of course they were ''called'' something slightly different (probably ''Scholastic Aptitude Test'' and ''Achievement Tests''). --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 01:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The [[SAT I]] and II were created in 1994 according to the article. They are not scored the same or cover the same subject matter as the old tests. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 01:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::That's an absurdly pedantic approach to take to the question. The SAT I and II are the direct successors to the Scholastic Aptitude Test and the Achievement Tests. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 01:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hey, if it's not pedantic non-answers, it's not the Ref Desk! --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 02:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/George_H._W._Bush%27s_most_famous_quote 566 verbal and 640 math]. [http://2004.georgewbush.org/images/bios/transcript.jpg And here is his transcript from Yale]. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it rational to hypothesize that being the son of the President certainly aided in his entry into both Yale and Harvard Business School? [[User:Acceptable|Acceptable]] ([[User talk:Acceptable|talk]]) 03:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:As his father was not President at the time of his admission to either of those institutions, no. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It is worth mentioning that in 1964 Yale wasn't requiring (or paying any heed to) SATs. Jews were doing well on standardized tests and the entrenched antisemitic establishment was rejecting the tests as a way to keep them out. Interesting, Jews are now one of the most over-represented minorities in current Ivy League faculties. Some prejudices dissolve away so fast, yet others persist for centuries. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 03:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::It is rational to hypothesize that his being a [[legacy student]] helped (legacy preferences are often an "affirmative action" for the rich and white). And his father being politically connected (and rich) couldn't have hurt. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 13:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting fact. At Yale (and presumably other Ivy League schools) legacy students have higher test scores than non-legacy students. Make of that what you will. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 16:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Subsequent question on Bush's SAT==
Given that i've heard the 'because of his daddy' thing about a milion times from people and considering the above responses here's my Q: Was Bush's SAT (or whatever) scores notably worse than his fellow students at Yale joining that year? What % of students entering Yale that year had scores around his level? What % of all students entering the university system had scores at his level? I would note - I don't understand the idea that Bush is unintelligent. His academic skills may (if the evidence mounts up) be lacking, but it seems evident that he is at least socially-intelligent. [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 13:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Out of a country of 300 million people wouldn't it be possible to find a person who was both ''socially'' intelligent and ''actually'' intelligent? {{unsigned|DJ Clayworth}}
:[http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/academictracker/servlet/ACTServlet?pg=2&collegeId=4123 This] shows current ranges for the middle 50% of Yalies. Of course the test has changed, but the scores are (I assume) normalized. With that in mind, Dubya seems to be, as [[Bob Uecker]] used to say, "''Just'' a bit outside". [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::The scores were [[SAT_I#Name_changes_and_recentered_scores|recentered]] in 1995, so you can't directly compare scores from the two eras. -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 17:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Taming budgerigars/parakeets==

I have 7 baby budgerigars (yeah, that's what happens when you have a boy and a girl) and I was wondering what the easiest way to tame them was. They're pretty afraid of me and when I try to take them out of the cage they fly around. I don't want to traumatize them being to forceful trying to take them out, and I want them to be able to trust me enough to not fly away. Do you have any advice for me? --[[User:Sapphire Flame|Sapphire Flame]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Flame|talk]]) 12:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:[http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/tips/tips16.html This] site seems okay. Hope it helps! [[User:Utan Vax|Utan Vax]] ([[User talk:Utan Vax|talk]]) 13:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[British Airways|BA]] planes that fly from Heathrow to Munich ==

Can anyone tell me the make/type of short haul plane that flies from Heathrow to Munich for BA? If it helps, the flight numbers are usually around BA0948 to BA0956. I've tried looking at the fleet on the BA website, but to no avail. Any help much appreciated, thank you in advance. [[User:Utan Vax|Utan Vax]] ([[User talk:Utan Vax|talk]]) 12:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

: Go the BA website, and start booking flights from Heathrow to Munich. After picking your dates, it will list all of the flights on each day. Click on the flight number (e.g. "BA0950") and you'll get a pop-up window that includes the equipment type. It looks to me like [[Airbus A320 family|Airbus A319/A320]] are typical. -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 13:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::That's great! Thanks very much. [[User:Utan Vax|Utan Vax]] ([[User talk:Utan Vax|talk]]) 14:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Indian book ==

Dear Wikipedians,

i'm still searching for a book, which is mentioned in this online article: [http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/27/stories/2004112702820300.htm 125 years later Indian circus struggles to survive], The Hindu (2004): '''Pravin Walimbe: ''The World of Circus'''''. Well i've searched in all online catalogues I know (WorldCat and so on) and with search engines but I couldn't found anything. I've written to ''The Hindu'' but no answer. Maybe it's on hindi? I've found alternative spellings (Praveen Valimbe or Pravin Valimbe). Any indian librarian here ;) ? I want to know the publisher, the publishing year and maybe (if it’s given) an ISBN. Or maybe somebody can find a contact adress of the author. Thanks in advance for your help! --[[Special:Contributions/130.133.152.127|130.133.152.127]] ([[User talk:130.133.152.127|talk]]) 13:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Democracy and Republic ==

I don't see much difference between these democracy and republic political philosophies. Is it really possible to directly relate, election campaigns, or the way candidates are going to solve national issues (like outsourcing, energy, global warming, etc.) to these philosophies? --[[User:V4vijayakumar|V4vijayakumar]] ([[User talk:V4vijayakumar|talk]]) 13:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:Do you mean [[US Democratic Party]] and [[US Republican party]] and their political philosophies? I don't know about the US but in the Uk major political parties produce an [[Election Manifesto]] that outlines their policies and ideas for how to deal with the major issues/running of the country. I suspect the same will be true in the US. The parties will be looking to offer policies that are popular with their [[core voter]]s and also popular with swing-voters. They will also use their own political compass/ideological beliefs in how they decide what policies to promote, and the 'inner workings' of them. Traditionally parties are aligned on the political 'wings' (usually defined on the [[left wing]] or [[right wing]]). Of course parties change and there is much movement around by parties historically as the public and media influence what policies are 'important' and thus (to a degree) that dictates how the parties line-up. E.g. in the UK nowadays most major parties seek to be 'low tax' - because that is what is favoured by much of the public. Previously this was not always favoured and the Uk was more 'socialist' in its taxation policy. [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 15:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::At the bottom of the two parties' articles linked above, you will find links to their "2008 National Platforms". These, I think, are analogous to the "Election Manifesto" mentioned above. The describe each party's philosophy and policy goals. -- [[User:Coneslayer|Coneslayer]] ([[User talk:Coneslayer|talk]]) 17:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== how to place an ad? ==

<This question has been removed since it was an advertisement and I the poster should not receive any sort of PR however small from this question> [[User:Gunrun|Gunrun]] ([[User talk:Gunrun|talk]]) 17:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:This is the reference desk of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is not a paper of any sort, and it won't advertise your book for you. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 17:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Oil Depletion tax allowance.

Back in the 70s, as reported in Phillip Stern's book, "The Rape of the American Taxpayer," oil drilling companies could automatically write-off 22% of the monies they made BEFORE paying taxes. Does an oil depletion tax allowance continue to exist and if so, what is the current write-off?

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December 4

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Wood

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What is the kind of wood that makes wooden planks? Informationappeared (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are probably hundreds. Common ones are pine, maple, cherry, walnut, teak, oak, kiaat and many more. It will vary from country to country. The are 2 main categories - hardwoods and softwoods. 196.50.199.218 (talk) 05:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The lumber article may be of interest. 196.50.199.218 (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Europe, nearly all floorboards and general-purpose wood sold in DIY stores is spruce, mostly Norwegian spruce or Sitka spruce - it's known in the timber trade as "white deal", although actually a very pale yellow colour. Scots pine or "red deal" is sometimes also used and can be distinguished by its prominent grain and darker colour (pine kitchen furniture was popular in the 1980s). Larch is used for fence panels, pallets and other purposes where a smooth finish is not required. Alansplodge (talk) 21:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides spruce, beech is also popular for furniture in Europe. The really heavy furniture designed to last for centuries (i.e., mostly antique by now) is usually made of oak. PiusImpavidus (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears the user is writing a new draft article for planks, but Wikipedia already has plank (wood). 64.53.18.252 (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19th century American blind schools

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Were there blind schools in 19th century America? 81.152.221.213 (talk) 20:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googling "19th century American blind schools" easily found Educating The Senses In The Second Great Awakening which mentions Perkins School for the Blind. Alansplodge (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
{ec} Yes, see e.g. [1], [2], [3].  --Lambiam 21:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the Bonanza episode Gabrielle, the 11 year old title character is blind has never went to school. See the episode on Youtube and the scene of her talking to her foster brother at 25:10 to 26:07. 81.152.221.213 (talk) 23:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, mentioned in Laura Ingalls Wilder's Little House on the Prairie novel By the Shores of Silver Lake, opened in 1852. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stereo balance/phase correlation meter in surround sound

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I've finally implemented stereo balance (level difference between left and right channels) and phase correlation (level difference between mid and side representations) metering into my own peakmeter project so I'm wondering, are correlogram/pan meters still useful for surround sound? Basically if you put something like this into my own peakmeter, there are 2 phase correlation and stereo balance meters for each pair in 5.1 and quadraphonic sound when shown. 2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96 (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Encoding "rebassed" songs into 2.1 stereo

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Why rebassed songs like this one involves replacing bass from original with a "new" one (essentially applying a highpass filter on original signal), instead of encoding the rebassed part into the LFE channel and keeping the original two channels intact (essentially making it a 2.1 stereo)? By 2.1 stereo, I mean 3 separate channels (first two are left and right channels respectively with the last one is dedicated LFE channel). 2001:448A:3070:D641:A0A3:AF2:596E:8A96 (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The OP's example sound-only video is a remix called "rebassed" of a sound-only video popular a decade ago. The normal lossy audio coding on YouTube videos stands in the way of attempts to boost the dynamic ranges of loudness or frequency. The "rebassist" may hope to have increased the song's dramatic effect but I regret that on my audio system his manipulated low frequency tones intrude as unpleasant distortions. I don't see that this "rebassing" example was more than a poorly controlled re-coding of an analog mashup that fails the claim to make bass notes "much louder without any audible distortion". The OP can be correct in proposing that bass tones could be mixed with better control in the dedicated LFE (Low-frequency effects) channel of a 2.1 stereo system. However encoding and reproducing the dramatic result will likely go beyond the capabilities of both YouTube and my ordinary loudspeakers.
After a music recording is produced in a modern studio equipped to balance audio dynamics across the frequency range, a serious listener ("audiophile") can adjust the bass content using the Baxandall bass control (Baxandall, 1952, -6 dB/octave) built into many amplifiers or invest in a multi-band graphic equaliser. Neither action involves irrecoverable distortion or paying a 3rd party to re-record the source sound. Philvoids (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Philvoids: though YouTube does support 5.1 surround sound so theoretically, you can encode a 2.1 stereo as 5.1 surround (either encoding silence to center and rear channels, or a center part of center-extraction to center channel and a non-center counterpart of the aforementioned extraction to rear channels) if YouTube doesn't support 2.1 stereo (L/R w/ dedicated LFE). 2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43 (talk) 05:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating jersey images

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I have a personal project for which I'd like to make images of jerseys and put player numbers on them. Basically what WP has on the page for any sports team. I only need the jersey and not pants, socks, etc. The project is for creating digital flashcards. For instance, if I were making a card for Michael Jordan, I'd grab my template of a basketball jersey, change the colors to the appropriate colors for the team, overlap a "23" on the jersey, and save that as an image to use on my flashcard. Optimally, I'd like to have different jersey templates for US sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, PWHL, NWSL). How can I do this most easily? As you probably suspected, I have no image manipulation experience. FWIW, I'm on a Mac. Thanks! †dismas†|(talk) 20:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if Template:Basketball kit helps.
{{{title}}} jersey
Team colours
Team colours
{{{title}}}
In theory you could use it (in a sandbox) to produce arbitrary jersey images and take screenshots of the results. But it's gone wrong here, evidently it wants some data from some kind of context. Well, it works fine in a sandbox, just not here.  Card Zero  (talk) 06:36, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It did not work because of the indentation colons inside the template body. This should work:
Example jersey
Team colours
Team colours
Example
AFAIK there is no way to overlay the number 23.  --Lambiam 07:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I suppose there's no way to scale these up nicely, either. The number could potentially be added in an image editor (in Impact (typeface), most likely), if imprecise centering is acceptable. There's Category:Kit_and_uniform_templates for other sports.
Using subst: before the template name makes the SVG code visible upon editing, but I can't think of a lazy way to then scale the whole image up to something approaching fullscreen. (This is best done at the SVG stage rather than in a raster editor, to avoid jaggies or blurred edges. An alternative would be to save the svg and open it in Inkscape for scaling and further modification.)
Oh, what am I saying, it's not one SVG, it's CSS with several SVGs arranged within it. Maybe a screenshot followed by crappy raster upscaling is the best way, depending on tolerance for low quality in whatever this project is. Or ... there are upscaling algorithms suitable for simple images that maintain sharp edges, but I'm not sure what software allows their use. Imagemagick?
This whole thing might be a valid use for AI, if you can get it to behave itself.
OTOH the SVGs are on commons, of course: see Kit_body_basketball.svg and the categories that it belongs to (Sports_kit_templates is several levels up from there). And, organized separately in typical Commons style, SVG_association_football_kit_templates.  Card Zero  (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'll look into those options. The images don't have to be big. They're going on flashcards, so maybe a few hundred pixels per side. †dismas†|(talk) 13:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really know what a digital flashcard is. If this is for Anki (software), it seems that its flashcards are essentially webpages and would probably accept svg images, making pixel size irrelevant. (Or maybe not, its manual is vague, I can't find a list of supported image formats.)  Card Zero  (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It is for an Anki deck. And yes, SVG is supported. †dismas†|(talk) 22:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might there be licensing / trademark issues? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots17:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not for a personal project.  --Lambiam 08:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not clear. I'm not recreating the uniforms exactly. Using my Michael Jordan example again, I'm just making a red basketball jersey with the number 23. That could be anyone's. Why would I run into any legal issues if it weren't for a personal project? †dismas†|(talk) 22:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot provide legal advice. Trademark laws vary by jurisdiction. In Vermont, United States trademark law would apply.  --Lambiam 07:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian companies

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Are there any Australian multinational companies? None comes to mind. There are many American multinational companies, but are there any Australian ones? --40bus (talk) 10:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googling "Australian multinational" suggests numerous companies. Shantavira|feed me 12:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BHP, Bailey Nelson, Boost Juice, Breville Group, CSL Limited, Canva, Commonwealth Bank, Donut King, Gloria Jean's Coffees, Harvey Norman, Incitec Pivot, Lendlease, MYOB (company), Macquarie Group, Ramsay Health Care, The Coffee Club, Westpac, Woolworths Group (Australia), Zambrero.  --Lambiam 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What's the process regarding submitting a record-breaking joke to Guinness World Records?

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I'd like for my mother's 600-Bitcoin joke to be submitted to Guinness World Records for the most expensive joke ever told to anyone in the world, because 600 Bitcoin is now worth >$60,000,000.

She told me in 2014 that she had invested 600 Bitcoin in 2011. Years later, getting desperate about figuring out a way out of my student loans, I asked her to cash out a little of her bitcoin investments in order to pay off my loans, and my siblings', because it appreciated so much. She didn't know what I was talking about. So I reminded her about her 600 bitcoin investment claim that she told me in 2014.

Then she said "I was only joking."

Now I wonder whether that was the most expensive joke anyone has ever made in recent history. If there were more expensive jokes than that, may I know about them? But if not, how do I submit that joke to GWR for being the most expensive joke ever? What criteria do jokes have to meet to be recorded on Guinness World Records? Thanks. --2600:100A:B037:56CA:C994:6FC:E8CE:B0CE (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you're talking about. How is that an expensive joke? What's expensive about it, anyway? An expensive joke would be a joke that led to some expenditure. --Viennese Waltz 06:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As it happens, I personally own the asteroids in the solar system, no joke. They contain quadrillions worth of gold. Reveal your identity, and I'll bestow all this wealth to you in my will.  --Lambiam 07:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shipping and handling extra. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you'll find it's dwarfed by Russia's "joke" fine of Google to the tune of $20,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. April foolski! Clarityfiend (talk) 14:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chamberlain's joke turned out to be pretty expensive. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots18:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the bust of Lenin in the Tallinn City Museum

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In this photo I saw a bust of Lenin in the Tallinn City Museum, who know about its origin? -- Great Brightstar (talk) 06:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tallinn City Museum know about its origin. Contact details are on their website. Shantavira|feed me 09:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A reasonably thorough Google search failed to find anything. They have a whole park full of old Soviet statuary at Maarjamäe Palace.
Our Soviet-era statues article says: Statues of prominent socialist figures - particularly of Lenin - were mass-produced and installed in villages, towns and cities across the Soviet Union.
Alansplodge (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

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Photo of a family of four enjoying a meal

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Is anything known about the members of the family in this photo? Mcljlm (talk) 04:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are (probably unrelated) photo models hired for this lifestyle photo shoot. Here you can see another photo from the same shoot.  --Lambiam 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. What suggests Lambiam they may not be related?
BTW would one of the other sections be more appropriate? I posted here as I wasn't sure which would be the best. Mcljlm (talk) 13:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing to suggest they would be related; they are paid models. Just like "families" shown in movies are not actually related; they are actors. Shantavira|feed me 15:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For use in such posed photographs there are many agencies that offer well-prepared socially presentable WASP models of whatever ages you specify at short notice and at competitive prices. To add the requirement that the models are related in real life is unnecessary, would incur greater hiring expense and is therefore less than probably done here. The ostensible mother could in that case be complimented on her fresh appearance after gestating and birthing the two siblings. Shantaviraj mentions movie stardom where being born to an established star has for many, with some salient exceptions, proven to be more a burden than a boon on their career. Philvoids (talk) 15:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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If I ever opt to live in a group home for mental health clients, could my health insurance pay the rent and utilities?

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What is it like for mental health clients to live in group homes? What is paid out-of-pocket? What is paid by insurance?

As a diagnosee of schizotypal personality disorder and other disorders, and being thought to still be on the Autistic Spectrum by some therapists despite a rediagnosis to the above disorder, is there a group home near or in Hutchinson, KS for anyone with my types of disorders?

Could my Medicaid KanCare Sunflower health insurance pay for all expenses associated with living in the group home?

I hope to no longer have to pay $450/month in rent and over $100/month in energy bills as well as $70/month in Cox internet at 1 GBPs if I move into a group home and have health insurance pay for it all.

I would only intend to live there until all of my debts are paid off and once I have substantial investments saved up, including dividend stocks so I can live off of a passive income that pays for basic living expenses in a normal residence again.

And lastly, what freedoms might I possibly be giving up if I were to ever move into a group home? Thanks. --2600:8803:1D13:7100:7CBD:B058:3248:4DA3 (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only people who could possibly answer this are KanCare Sunflower health insurance. Look at the terms of your agreement or ask them directly on their help line. Shantavira|feed me 09:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

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How to revert a company

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I received an unsolicited email soliciting a contribution to an upcoming issue of a biomedical journal. My contribution, they assured me, coming from an eminent researcher like me, would greatly enhance the quality of said issue. This may well be true, but, since my knowledge of biomedical issues has largely been formed by doing research to answer questions at the Reference desk, this does not bode well for the quality of this issue, even with my eminent contribution. I don't want my name to be associated with low-quality journals, so I'll refrain from contributing.

The email states at the bottom, in fine greyish print,

BioMed Grid LLC, California, USA. If you do not wish to receive this email, revert us.

I indeed do not wish to receive this email and would like to unreceive it. But I can't figure out how to revert this company. Can anyone help me? (There are some more companies I'd also like to revert.)  --Lambiam 09:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it means block them or tag it as spam. I assume you've read American Journal of Biomedical Science & Research. Shantavira|feed me 11:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it's just corporate talk for "email us back". See definition 14 in Wiktionary. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 20:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definition 14 has the label intransitive, while the spotted use has a transitive sense.  --Lambiam 10:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to add that it's Indian English - but the Wiktionary entry says it is now global. ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But is it? I'd never seen this before. Our article on the journal states that the publisher, Biomedgrid LLC, was first registered in California in 2018 by Sasidhar Vontethina and Sushma Manchikanti, both Indian (more specifically Telugu) names.  --Lambiam 08:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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LUFS meter vs. Audiosurf algorithm

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What are similarities and differences between LUFS meter (especially momentary) and Audiosurf's audio analysis algorithm (when comes to how tracks are colored in particular way depending on the song intensity)? Considering the color (when "fancy coloring" mode is enabled) of momentary LUFS bar on my own multichannel peakmeter when fed with the same song as the video, lines up with the color of the blocks and the tracks on this video and/or this sometimes and at other times, it doesn't line up assuming they somehow sync with the video. 2001:448A:3070:DCCD:D862:849B:9C69:6E43 (talk) 03:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article about the Audiosurf game tells that the game engine analyzes an imported song to create and save its dynamics in an ASH file. Reverse engineering these files to extract the generating algorithms is research that is beyond anyone here. This is proprietary information that the game creator Dylan Fitterer may choose to withold. Already as you look for correlation between your objective LUFS detector and the game screen, bear in mind that where the object of Audiosurf is more to entertain than analytical logging, some degree of randomity may be deliberately included. Philvoids (talk) 16:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

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Meta physics

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about things beyond nature 105.113.11.194 (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Metaphysics? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that metaphysics is not about phenomena or entities that are beyond the laws of nature. The usual term for these is "the supernatural".  --Lambiam 07:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 16

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My habit of feature requests scared a developer?

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Reading these posts (this and this) on a thread about foo_enhanced_spectrum_analyzer in HydrogenAudio forum about my doings that "scared" off a developer of foo_enhanced_spectrum_analyzer and foo_loudness_peakmeter components for foobar2000 player and yet, the developer of a spectrum analyzer plugin for MusicBee did implement my feature requests into this plugin despite I've not have written fanon wiki pages about future version of CoolEdit Nostalgia (like I did this and this before). So, why would they? 2001:448A:3070:EA0F:F1A2:31A3:43A5:587B (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has this got to do with wikipedia or finding references for anything? Nanonic (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nanonic: perhaps finding a reliable reference for what some bad habits when comes to feature requests that are likely to made software developers quit their job. 2001:448A:3070:EA0F:A59D:BE84:1D03:3CD (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your questions are scaring off the Reference desk respondents.  --Lambiam 09:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever drama you're involved with on that board, I suggest you keep it there and don't post about it here. --Viennese Waltz 10:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

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Futures contract

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I don't understand finance, so I thought I'd ask. If I buy a futures contract for say a ton of corn at a specific price, and I hold it until the delivery date, will someone literally deliver a ton of corn to me? Thanks. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The contract is likely to read "FOB Kansas City," or something like that. You'll probably have to move it from whatever transportation it is on (train, ship) yourself. Or, arrange (pay for) delivery. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 01:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the delivery date, the current buyer will have become the proud owner of a ton of corn somewhere. The identity of the buyer of the contract almost always changes, so the seller drawing up the contract does not know the identity of the eventual buyer at the delivery date. Therefore, wherever the "somewhere" may be, you as the buyer can be reasonably sure it will not be delivered to your doorstep.  --Lambiam 09:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oil futures have even been known to have a negative price, when the producers' local storage was full and demand was low. At that point the buyer of the contract is being paid to take it away. [4] --Amble (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which Political Bloggers are Former Programmers?

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Such as Curtis Yarvin and Ruan Xiaohuan. Saedeer (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

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