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== drafts of Pakistani dramas == |
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{{Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2008 October 13}} |
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should add second drafts from redirect for Pakistani dramas because i learn about putting reliable soruces by [[User:Sunuraju|Sunuraju]] ([[User talk:Sunuraju|talk]]) 13:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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= October 14 = |
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:I'm sorry, @[[User:Sunuraju|Sunuraju]], I don't understand what you are asking. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Image policy == |
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::because i learns how to put citation sources today and i need add drafts for paksitani dramas for citation sources [[User:Sunuraju|Sunuraju]] ([[User talk:Sunuraju|talk]]) 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::because of sockpupprt accounts without add ciation sources which dramas wiki pages like [[Hook (2022 TV series)|Hook]] are redirected to Ary Digtal [[User:Sunuraju|Sunuraju]] ([[User talk:Sunuraju|talk]]) 14:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:The target of the redirect can only be changed when the drafts get accepted and published into the mainspace, if that answers your question. [[User:Tutwakhamoe|Tutwakhamoe]] ([[User talk:Tutwakhamoe|talk]]) 14:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::See [[User_talk:Sunuraju]]. There are several draft articles that were turned down because they were improperly sourced or written like an advertisement. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT|not IMDb]] or a similar resource, so all articles about actors, films etc need to meet the [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]].--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Ahh, how long I'm waiting for an article review?!! == |
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Am I able to use the images on [http://brianbutko.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/vintage-postcards-from-idlewild-park-ligonier-pa/ this page] here? '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font></b>]]''' 00:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Help! I'm NOT patient with my article review and I'm tired of waiting for weeks and weeks. What can I do? |
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:Those images are probably copyrighted. Do you have any information to suggest they aren't, by any chance? <font color="amaranth">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NuclearWarfare]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="purple">[[Special:Contributions/NuclearWarfare|My work]]</font></sub> 01:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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{{smiley}} [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 16:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I do not. What is the best way to go about obtaining historical photos? '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font></b>]]''' 02:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Emailing the picture-taker or organization owning the copyright "on behalf of Wikipedia" kindly asking if we can use it here on Wikipedia. For example, see [[Image talk:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg#Permission Obtained from AP]] (that's a reply from the Associated Press in response to a fax asking for permission to use that image). [[User:Calvin 1998|Calvin 1998]] <sup>([[User talk:Calvin 1998|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Calvin 1998|c]])</sup> 02:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Hello @[[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]], I find it rude to be impatient with volunteer reviewers who review drafts in their own time. We receive hundreds of new drafts a day for review with a very limited amount of volunteer reviewers. The current wait time is 8 weeks or longer. You can continue to be patient. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 16:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Third-party references == |
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::Having had a look at [[Draft:Hong Jen Yee]], it has zero chance of reaching article mainspace at the moment. I could review it and turn it down today, but this wouldn't help much. It is way too short and lacks sourcing, see [[WP:NPERSON]].--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 16:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm having trouble finding third-party references for [[List of Pi Kappa Phi chapters|a fraternity article]] that I'm working on. The article is a list of chapters and all of the chapter information (i.e. founding dates, etc.) for the entire list seems to be found only in fraternity sources. As references, I currently have one book (that lacks an ISBN and is published by the fraternity), and two websites that are both tied to the fraternity. Does anyone have any advice to make this article verifiable? — [[User:Littlealien182|<font size="+1">''Ł''</font>ittle<font size="+1">''Ä''</font>lien¹<sup>8</sup>²]] (<sub>[[User talk:Littlealien182|talk]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Littlealien182|contribs]]</sup>) 01:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Might also be [[Draft: Pelles C]]? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 16:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:You could try looking on [www.rottentomatoes.com], and look up the movie. They might provide characters. You can also try googlein' it, and place the term "Pi Kappa Phi movie characters". [[User:Javascap|Javascap]] ([[User talk:Javascap|talk]]) 02:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Basically there are almost 2,000 articles waiting for review right now, and there aren't many people who look through them. So it's hard to say when drafts get reviewed. It could be a couple minutes or a couple months. Your best bet is just to find another thing to work on for a little while. There are countless tasks that help out Wikipedia if you're looking for more ways to participate. Also make sure that the article you submitted meets the standards generally expected. Each article should have a few good sources about the subject (like newspaper pieces about them or something like that). Thanks for your help in expanding Wikipedia! [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 18:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Are you trying to be funny? — [[User:Littlealien182|<font size="+1">''Ł''</font>ittle<font size="+1">''Ä''</font>lien¹<sup>8</sup>²]] (<sub>[[User talk:Littlealien182|talk]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Littlealien182|contribs]]</sup>) 02:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I think I'm bad at writing articles. Sorry for that but I have big problems with that. [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 10:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Oh crud, my apologies, I thought you were talking about a movie. My sincere apologies. With that mistake a bit in the past, you can try looking on their main page, and use the search feature on the website to find the information you need. You can also look up the title of the book and see if you can get the ISBN from another page. I hope this response helps more than my prior one o_O [[User:Javascap|Javascap]] ([[User talk:Javascap|talk]]) 02:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::An average wait of weeks is actually pretty good, I've seen it as high as 6 months or more. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Yeah, dude. It took me over maybe 2 months or something. [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 11:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Editing a repeatedly-declined AfC draft from scratch? == |
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Thank you for your efforts to help. I already used their website and looked for an ISBN in the library of congress. What I need, though, is a reliable '''third-party source''' that contains pertinent information. I have sources --but what I want is a third-party source (or two, or three). Any suggestions? |
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Hello! I am not actually sure what the correct process is for this. I am a librarian who is killing time at the reference desk reading old Help Desk archives (because I have learned a ton about Wikipedia and its policies by doing so), and I encountered a discussion of [[Draft:Uman (artist)]] being repeatedly declined through the AfC process in January of last year. In viewing the draft, I see that it was further declined for the subject's purported lack of notability in July 2024. However, I think this person easily meets general notability guidelines if not WP:ARTIST, having received significant independent coverage (ranging from lengthier profiles to briefer exhibition reviews) from credible publications like [[CNN]] (see [https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/18/style/uman-artist-hauser-wirth/index.html here]), [[Artnet|Artnet News]] (see [https://news.artnet.com/art-world/umans-painting-hauser-wirth-2426374 here]), [[ARTnews|ARTNews]] (see [https://www.artnews.com/art-news/artists/uman-artist-profile-best-practices-1234685155/ here]), the ''[[The New York Times Magazine|New York Times Magazine]]'' (see [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/28/t-magazine/uman-hauser-wirth.html here]), ''[[Artforum]]'' (see [https://www.artforum.com/events/uman-250558/ here]), and [[The New Yorker|''The'' ''New Yorker'']] (see [https://www.newyorker.com/goings-on-about-town/art/uman here]). The artist also has a [https://thealdrich.org/exhibitions/uman major solo show upcoming] at a notable art institution, the [[The Aldrich Contemporary Art Museum]], that has [https://warholfoundation.org/grants/archive/the-aldrich-contemporary-art-museum/ also received support] from the notable [[Andy Warhol|Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts]]. |
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:Let me see what I can cook up on "Teh google" Stand by, please... [[User:Javascap|Javascap]] ([[User talk:Javascap|talk]]) 03:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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With all due respect to the folks who reviewed this page through AfC, I acknowledge that the current draft is written to be too complimentary to the subject, but I think that is a separate issue from notability, and if this were not already part of the AfC process, I do not think that I, as an extended confirmed user, would have had any issue creating a NPOV draft and passing NPP based on the subject's notability as documented through the above links. Creating an article for this artist falls directly in my expertise wheelhouse, and I think it is important and helpful to continue to contribute articles about BIPOC and female contemporary artists to the encyclopedia due to their relative lack of coverage. |
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== Privacy Concerns Regarding Someone's E-mail Address in an AfD == |
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My question is, because a draft was begun through AfC, do I need to edit the problematic draft that has repeatedly been declined--or can I erase it and start anew? Further, do I need to submit it again through AfC if I can completely redraft it, or can I move it to the mainspace myself--as I have no COI here and do not need help drafting an article, and the WP:AFC page says that "Established users are encouraged to create articles on their own if they do not need support from reviewers." |
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I was reading through the AfDs and noticed that the author of the targeted article posted the text of a personal e-mail he'd received as a way to argue against the article's deletion. I was concerned to note that the article author had included the headers in the e-mail (including the e-mail address of the author of the e-mail). I've searched policies and read instructions on the Administrator's Noticeboard and Requests for Oversight to see if posting e-mails written by others and/or e-mail addresses of other people like this is permitted, but I couldn't find clear guidance. I suspect it is not, especially since it seems likely that the content of the e-mail and the e-mail address were posted without the permission or knowledge of the e-mailer. Am I totally off base here, or is there someone I should notify to redact this info? The AfD is here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_October_11#Alexander_R._Povolotsky.27s_problem_1] The place where the e-mail occurs is obvious as a major formatting break if you scroll down. By the way, this email was also copied to two users' talk pages (I can give the details if needed). |
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Thank you very much! --[[User:Silverneko|Silverneko]] ([[User talk:Silverneko|talk]]) 02:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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If this is not the best place to ask, is there a more specific forum for AfC-related issues in which to ask this question? Thank you for your time. [[User:Peachseltzer|<span style="color:orange;">'''Peachseltzer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Peachseltzer|hello!]]) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:The general answer to that would be no, this is not a good thing. Firstly, the publishing of an email address on a website such as Wikipedia makes it liable to be harvested by spambots (among others), and as you say raises privacy issues (which are not specifically covered by the [[foundation:Privacy policy|privacy policy]], but in general terms would be considered a poor thing to do without permission and especially without knowledge). Even in cases where someone posts their own email address on a Wikipedia page, such as here or on the Reference desk, the address is usually removed as a courtesy. The other problem is that posting the content of the email, as well as again being something of a privacy issue, is potentially a copyright violation. So I would personally say that the best course of action would be to remove the posting of the email, leave a politely worded message on the poster's talk page, and possibly put a note at the admin noticeboard in case they think the revisions should be deleted and/or oversighted. [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]]<small>([[User talk:ConMan|Say hi!]])</small> 03:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Peachseltzer}}, the AfC process is entirely optional for competent autoconfirmed editors, and you are significantly more experienced. The draft in question has not had any substantive content edits for nine months, and the editor who created the draft has been inactive since then. I think it would be perfectly acceptable for you to write a policy compliant article from scratch, and just allow the draft to be deleted in due course. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for your kind and speedy reply @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]]! My desk shift is wrapping up now, so I will do just that on Monday. [[User:Peachseltzer|<span style="color:orange;">'''Peachseltzer'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Peachseltzer|hello!]]) 18:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|Peachseltzer}} you could start a new article from scratch in you sandbox, or a subpage of your user space. If you are satisfied that notability is met via verification by reliable sources, you can move it to mainspace yourself. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 07:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How to properly add annotations to entries in a bibliography? == |
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::Thanks so much for your reply. I'm not entirely comfortable removing the e-mail myself for fear of totally hosing formatting and content. My proficiency with Wikipedia tools is nonexistent; you can see from my contributions history that my grand plans for helping out at Wikipedia are as yet unrealized :) I came across this just because I think AfDs are interesting to read once in a while. Do you think it is appropriate to just post on the Administrator's Noticeboard to have somebody more proficient help me out? I don't want to shirk, but...--[[User:Silverneko|silverneko]] ([[User talk:Silverneko|talk]]) 03:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Many Wikipedia pages have a "Further reading" or "Bibliography" section. They list useful important books that the reader of the article may use to learn more about the topic of the main article. Are there any tools (templates) or best practices for adding annotations, that is, additional information for each entry that would explain what the referenced work is (e.g. a seminal work, a monography or a review), so the reader will have an easier time deciding which book to read? |
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:::Actually, I'm going to give it a try... wish me luck! Thanks for your help.[[User:Silverneko|silverneko]] ([[User talk:Silverneko|talk]]) 04:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Many high quality articles on Wikipedia have a dedicated "Bibliography" section. It has various names, such as "Bibliography", "Further reading", "References", "Sources". They can be found on these articles, for example: |
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== capital == |
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* [[Philosophy]] |
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* [[Existence]] |
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* [[Cynicism (philosophy)]] |
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* [[Humanism]] |
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* [[Eliminative materialism]] |
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* [[DNA]] |
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* [[Metabolism]] |
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* [[Wolf]] |
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* [[Charles Darwin]] |
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* [[Binary search]] |
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* [[Apollo 11]] |
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* [[Archaea]] |
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* [[Ancient Egyptian literature]] |
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* [[Confirmation bias]] |
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* [[Metaphysics]] |
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Thanks for any pointers. Regards, [[User:Fantastiera|Fantastiera]] ([[User talk:Fantastiera|talk]]) 19:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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could uyou please tell us capitals of the all countries in the world? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.229.241.173|195.229.241.173]] ([[User talk:195.229.241.173|talk]]) 05:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Try looking at [[Lists of capitals]]. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 05:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Or [[List of national capitals]].--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 05:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:"Bibliography" and "Further reading" are not the same thing. Take [[Philosophy]] as an example, the "citations" section points out the specific pages of the cited sources, whereas "bibliography" section list out all the books that the entries in "citations" came from. If you click/tap on the link of an entry in "citations", it will bring you to the corresponding book in "bibliography". In that sense, bibliography is a part of the reference, while further reading is not. |
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== problem editing the "Pieing" article== |
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:To add citations like those, you'll need to list the sources in a "bibliography" section, then cite specific pages by adding "<nowiki><ref>(Book title), p.(page number)</ref></nowiki>" to the part of article where you want to add citations to. See [[WP:SFN]]. [[User:Tutwakhamoe|Tutwakhamoe]] ([[User talk:Tutwakhamoe|talk]]) 22:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, this is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the proper way to add annotation for entries in a "Further reading" section for the purpose explained above. This is not to link the references. [[User:Fantastiera|Fantastiera]] ([[User talk:Fantastiera|talk]]) 22:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You might find [[Wikipedia:Further reading]] helpful. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There does not seem to be a standard format. You can follow the instructions at [[MOS:FURTHER]]. [[User:Tutwakhamoe|Tutwakhamoe]] ([[User talk:Tutwakhamoe|talk]]) 22:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you. This looks very useful. [[User:Fantastiera|Fantastiera]] ([[User talk:Fantastiera|talk]]) 09:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Redirects == |
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I am a new editor. Having edited the intro to the [[pieing]] article I attempted to add 2 references, somehow scrambling the references. I apologize. Help from some kind person would be appreciated. --[[User:Zanthorp|Zanthorp]] ([[User talk:Zanthorp|talk]]) 07:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Another user has already fixed it. You hadn't added the references correctly, however. [[WP:REF]], [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Wikipedia:Citation templates]] might help you with it. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span>'''h'''<span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<sub>work</sub>]] 07:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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How do you make a redirect? [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 21:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Alphabetical table == |
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:See [[Help:Redirect]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 21:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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= December 21 = |
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Heya... I'm trying to create an alphabetical table/list - ie sorts itself alpha-automagically ... its for [[poleconomy]] page . Is this possible ? [[User:Boomshanka|Boomshanka]] ([[User talk:Boomshanka|talk]]) 08:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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: just found [[Help:Sorting#Alphabetic_sorting_with_hidden_sortkey|solution]], cheers [[User:Boomshanka|Boomshanka]] ([[User talk:Boomshanka|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 08:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==[[Marshall Brooks]]== |
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== Advice needed - slightly spammy editing == |
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This page is great but I placed the name by which he was known on top of the info box - should it be inside it ? (please see my citation which has his full title: The Hon. Marshall Jones Brooks) |
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Hi, I have noticed that some pages that I have worked on have been modified in a way that looks OK at first, but doesn't quite feel right and the more I dig the more like spam it feels. The pages are related to the Northeast of Scotland and have had text added relating to the prehistory of the area. All these additions seem to end up on the new page [[Catto_Long_Barrow]], which is currently little more than excuse to hold a link to http://letmespeaktothedriver.com/site/11227/catto.html#fieldnotes. This same link has also been added as a reference to all the modified pages. |
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Thank you [[User:Srbernadette|Srbernadette]] ([[User talk:Srbernadette|talk]]) 02:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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This may be a genuine good-faith attempt to improve these articles, but it looks like it may also have been an attempt to drive up traffic to that blog-ish site (which also promoted a book) and even to boost its search engine position (which won't work as Wikipedia uses nofollow!). My biggest problem is that the pages edited are not even that close Cairn Catto (the proper name for Catto Long Barrow). My second problem is that this minor local feature has been added to almost all the geographical pages for anywhere near it! |
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:Full name and title can be placed in either the lede sentence or the infobox. [[User:Tutwakhamoe|Tutwakhamoe]] ([[User talk:Tutwakhamoe|talk]]) 03:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Pages affected include: |
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*[[Aberdeenshire]] |
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*[[Bullers of Buchan]], 4 miles from Cairn Catto |
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*[[Hatton,_Aberdeenshire]], 5 miles from Cairn Catto |
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*[[New Deer]] 15 miles from Cairn Catto |
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*[[New Pitsligo]], 17 miles from Cairn Catto |
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*[[Gardenstown]], 29 miles from Cairn Catto |
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::: I cannot work out how to place the name and title IN the actual info box. Please assist. Thank you [[User:Srbernadette|Srbernadette]] ([[User talk:Srbernadette|talk]]) 08:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The same links are also on pages including: |
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::::@[[User:Srbernadette|Srbernadette]] I think that the infobox "rugby biography" is designed so the name doesn't go into the box. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_rugby_biography/testcases this example] in the template documentation. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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*[[Viking Age]] |
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*[[Point d'appui]] |
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*[[Gorse]] |
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[[User:Matt Beard|Matt Beard]] ([[User talk:Matt Beard|talk]]) 11:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== I wished Wikipedia supported wallpapers in pages... == |
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:Were the links all added by the same editor or IP? --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] | [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 14:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Oops - yes, sorry I forgot to say that they were all added by [[User:Hadrianheugh]], [[User:Matt Beard|Matt Beard]] ([[User talk:Matt Beard|talk]]) 14:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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It would be even more awesome if we could change the wallpaper of pages in Wikipedia. But the fonts' colors could change to adapt to the wallpaper. The button for that might look like this: [[File:Gnome-settings-background.png]] [[Change wallpaper]] [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 10:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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==Pictures at the Commons?== |
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{{resolved}} ←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Ravie"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 18:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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(Maybe I should ask this there, but I'm not too familiar over yonder, so can you help me?) |
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So, I've uploaded three pictures with me and some political figures that I would like to be used in their articles that have no pics. Can someone help me to rename them appropriately? Do I just cut me out the picture with Paint? Thanks! |
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:Hello, @[[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]]. The place to suggest features is [[WP:VPR]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:L_0b8bc2b5fdced94f06dd11fda13832a4.jpg |
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::Thanks! You replied quickly! [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 11:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Me with [[Lupe Valdez]] |
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:::I will add that personally, I do not want the WP developers to spend time adding features that in my view do not contribute to the sole task we are here for: building an encyclopaedia. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] Did you know you have a choice of five skins? See [[Wikipedia:Skin]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 19:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::@Shantavira I know them. But how about wallpapers? |
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::Thanks, [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 06:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== List of pages using a shortcut == |
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:L_6b34be4e2da0e1de5aeeb6e947186661.jpg |
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Me with [[Tom Leppert]] |
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Before deciding to retarget a redirect of a shortcut, it would be helpful to know the pages that are using the shortcut, so that any disruption by the retargeting can be considered in the decision to retarget. Is there some way to find that out?<br> |
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:L_7510b24ac30a8504f00c19a42af343e6.jpg |
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(I'm asking this question because of the discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_16#Wikipedia:PCR Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Wikipedia:PCR], which resulted in a retargeting of a redirect that disrupted a section, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:How_to_apply_WP:NOR%27s_%22Directly_related%22_principle&oldid=932060024#Provide_context_for_the_reader Provide context for the reader], of a page that I was reading.)<br> |
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Me with [[Roberto R. Alonzo]] |
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Thanks. [[User:Bob K31416|Bob K31416]] ([[User talk:Bob K31416|talk]]) 17:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Unless I've misunderstood you, you can navigate to the redirect page (for example, go to [[WP:PCR]], and then pick "Redirected from PCR" at the top) and then pick "What links here" [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Ravie"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 14:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::That was what I was looking for. Thanks. [[User:Bob K31416|Bob K31416]] ([[User talk:Bob K31416|talk]]) 21:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: I think this probably falls foul of [[Wikipedia:Conflicts_of_interest|Conflict of Interest]] on the grounds of "Do not edit Wikipedia to promote your own interests". Unless you can (almost) totally remove yourself. [[User:Matt Beard|Matt Beard]] ([[User talk:Matt Beard|talk]]) 14:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Seconded, and I would remove such pictures from any articles if I found them without you cut out because it is not encyclopedic to have a picture of the figure posing next to some unrelated person. See also [[Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement]].--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 15:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Well, what I'm saying, I guess, is I wanted to provide pictures for those articles. I wouldn't put ''me'' in the article. That's just weird. I wanted to know if it'd be okay to just cut myself out of the picture and leave their picture, upload only them, and use ''that''. I hope I'm explaining correctly. ←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Ravie"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 15:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Sure. Cut yourself out and upload them to commons naming them intuitively, i.e., <code>Tom_Leppert.jpg</code>. The only thing I wonder if what they will end up looking like just cut out. For example in the picture of you and Lupe Valdez, she has her arm behind your back. I think you might be better off just doing a cropping showing her head and whatever else fits appropriately. Just cutting your outline out and placing a false background or something will probably result in odd looking pictures.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 18:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Alrighty. Thanks for your answers, Fuhghettaboutit and Matt Beard. I will play around with them and see how it turns out. If it seems just a bad picture, I'll just leave it alone. Rest assured you won't be seein' '''me''' in any articles! Cheers. ←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Ravie"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 18:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::You could [[Pixelation|pixelate]] your face in the photos. If someone later takes a better photo of the subjects, they can upload theirs over yours. In my opinion (which counts for zip) I'd consider almost any legible photo of an article's subject to be a huge improvement over no photo. A perfect photo is better than an imperfect photo, but I think the biggest improvement occurs when an article goes from zero photos to the first (possibly imperfect) photo. This is an instance of the general rule that "something is usually better than nothing." Another example: having bad food is better than having no food, as long as the food is not so bad that it kills you faster than starvation will. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Awesome! I'll try that, too! Thx! ←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Ravie"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 03:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== can i speak to a global renamer or steward == |
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== [[Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon]] infobox image == |
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{{resolved|[[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 16:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)}} |
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Hi. I'm trying to add [[commons:Image:Princess_Margaret.jpg]] to the article, but the image isn't showing in the infobox. I tested another image and it worked fine, so I'm guessing it's not the template. Any help would be appreciated! :) Best, [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 15:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Uploaded images not appearing in articles]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Ah, thanks. :) [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 16:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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please [[User:FeistyRooster|FeistyRooster]] ([[User talk:FeistyRooster|talk]]) 21:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Monobook == |
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:This is an en Wikipedia Helpdesk, there is information and contact info at [[:meta:Global renamers]] and [[:meta:Stewards]]. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 21:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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What is the reason that the twinkle in my monobook doesn't work? |
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::Where does the question belong? [[User:Tamfang|—Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 00:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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<font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 15:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] I meant that I wouldn't expect global renamers or stewards to frequent this help desk, which I could be wrong about, rather than that this is the wrong venue. There is a helpdesk at [[:meta:Help Forum]], I don't know much about it. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 03:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hmm. The first step is to try bypassing your cache to see if that fixes the issue. Go to your monobook page and press Ctrl+Shift+R. That may resolve the issue. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 15:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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= December 22 = |
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Nope. That didn't work. I'm using Internet Explorer if that helps with anything. |
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<font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 15:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:If that didn't work, I would suggest installing all of the modules, by removing any Twinkle stuff you currently have in your monobook and pasting <nowiki>importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');</nowiki> (and only that) into your monobook. If that works, you can tweak the settings from there. See the install directions at [[WP:TWINKLE]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 16:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Query re: Search Engine Optimization == |
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:See [[Wikipedia:Twinkle#Browser support]]. There is apparently no suppport for Internet Explorer. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::See also the reply at [[Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#Problem with IE]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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There was recently a very long thread at ANI about a user who was eventually site blocked. I won’t link to the thread because, frankly, life is too precious. |
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== Why aren't two images appearing at [[Stephen Crane]]? == |
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The user was a promo-only account who initially attracted attention to themselves by opening multiple threads to try to rush 3 film articles through AfC. The stated aim of the user was to get the articles to appear on Google searches to coincide with the US release of one of the films – i.e. apparent search engine optimization (SEO), as can be seen here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_216#Incorrect_robots_meta_tag_on_live_article]. |
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[[:Image:SCrane2.JPG]], which I just uploaded a new version of at the Commons, and [[:Image:Battle of Chancellorsville.png]], which is newly added to this particular article, but has been on Wikipedia since 2004, are for some reason not appearing at the [[Stephen Crane]] article. Is there some issue with the formatting? Am I just not seeing a typo or something? Any advice would be much appreciated, as I hope to submit this for FAC soon. <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 15:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The user also went to great lengths (again across multiple threads) trying unsuccessfully to remove PAID and/or COI tags from the articles. |
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:See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Uploaded images not appearing in articles]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The intersection between these two aims is clarified by the user’s suggestion that {{tq|These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability [in Google searches], reducing accessibility for readers. This is not about SEO but ensuring that notable topics are properly represented and accessible}}. |
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==New Question== |
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Hey There |
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My name is Jeff, and I am a student at Brock University. |
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A professor has requested a report to be done on Wikipedia. |
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My question is what are the Web 2.0 Technologies (wiki's, blogs) used by Wikipedia? |
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I’d be interested to hear from other users on the issue of whether or not the presence of such tags would represent a serious impediment to the aims of someone involved in SEO. The film mainly in question here ([[It's Coming (film)]]) currently has 2 tags and appears 5th on a Google search for “It’s Coming film” and not on the first few pages of results if searching for “It’s Coming” (which is evidently far too generic a search term). |
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Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeppy88|Jeppy88]] ([[User talk:Jeppy88|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeppy88|contribs]]) 17:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Well, from what I gather, Web 2.0 isn't really a technology per se. You may want to look at the [[Web 2.0|Web 2.0 article]]. Wikipedia is an online collaborative effort to build an encyclopedia. It doesn't really use blogs or things of that nature. I hope this helps. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::As a follow-up, the article on [[Wikipedia|Wikipedia itself]] may have some useful info. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Wikipedia is a project of [[Wikimedia]], if that helps. --[[User:Alinnisawest|Alinnisawest]],<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Alinnisawest|<font color="black">'''Dalek Empress'''</font>]]</sup> ([[User talk:Alinnisawest|<font color="#cf0021">'''extermination requests here]]'''</font>) 17:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I like [[Marshall Poe]]'s essay: |
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|url=http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200609/wikipedia |
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|title=The Hive |
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::::I have a few notes and links at [[User:Teratornis/Theory of Wikipedia]] and [[User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers]] which may or may not help. See also [[WP:EIW#Research]] and [[Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia]]. From what I understand of [[Web 2.0]], it's kind of a catch-all label that encompasses a wide range of collaborative software which includes things like [[blog]]s and [[wiki]]s. (Wikipedia is just one of many thousands of wikis, albeit the most-visited.) Both types of collaborative software appeared several years before (some) people started calling them "Web 2.0". Blogs and wikis are both editable by their users, but they differ broadly in their organizing principles. On a wiki, users take turns editing and re-editing [[WP:WIAA|articles]] (or, more generally, pages), so the organizing principle is by ''topic''. Any user can edit any other user's writing. On a blog, an individual editor writes entries in serial order by ''date'', without restriction as to topic, and other users can merely add comments - they cannot edit the primary editor's entries. Thus a blog functions somewhat similarly to [[e-mail]], whereas a wiki is more similar to publishing software that people use to write formal documents. Perhaps the most critical feature for a wiki's success is its built-in [[revision control system]], which tracks the [[Help:History|history]] of every edit by every user. Without the ability to track what every user is doing, and hold them all accountable for their actions, a wiki would quickly succumb to the [[Tragedy of the Commons]]. (A blog avoids the tragedy by privatizing the commons - giving various users exclusive control over their own areas of the blog where they can edit. This is neatly analogous to the two ways to avoid Tragedies of the Commons in the real world: find a way to regulate what people do on the commons, or divide the commons into privately-owned parcels.) However, software alone is not enough for a wiki to succeed; it must also have a community of users who have a shared vision. See [[User:Jimbo Wales/Statement of principles]] and [http://www.cio.com/article/121711 Five Things Wikipedia's Founder Has Learned About Online Collaboration]. You might also watch {{YouTube|WQR0gx0QBZ4|TEDTalks: Jimmy Wales (2005)}}. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Any input here would be much appreciated. [[User:Axad12|Axad12]] ([[User talk:Axad12|talk]]) 07:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== add Wade Martin Bio to wikipedia == |
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:My own understanding is that Wikipedia has its own objectives, rules, and policies, and ignores the objectives of SEO agents. If an editor admits that his objective is SEO, I personally would be disinclined to cooperate with him. If I read the suggestion you quote in teal above, I'd respond "That's great – I hope you'll work on improving the article until an impartial editor removes those tags." [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 09:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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How do I include the history of Wade Martin's life within wikipedia? |
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::See [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#user_Stan1900_and_the_films_of_Shannon_Alexander|this ANI thread]] for further views. The now-banned {{u|Stan1900}} has been remarkably effective at making enemies. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 09:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Bio: Wade Martin (Founder and President) |
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:::Well, quite so (in response to both of your posts above). The user almost went out of their way to advertise their promotional and SEO objectives and then behaved at ANI in such as way that their conduct there alone was enough to get them blocked. |
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:::However, my question is whether the existence of the tags interferes with attempts at search engine optimisation. And also, how does it interfere? |
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:::To some extent I'm inclined to briefly remove the tags and see if the article moves from #5 to #1 on the Google search, but I'm reluctant to make an edit for such a contrived and non wiki-related reason. If I put the names of some (relatively obscure) untagged films into Google they do tend to occupy the #1 spot in a search - so there would seem to be some evidence that the blocked user was rather knowledgeable on how tags influence SEO (possibly implying a promotional background?). |
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:::If COI/PAID tags do interfere with attempts at SEO then that can only be a good thing, of course. [[User:Axad12|Axad12]] ([[User talk:Axad12|talk]]) 10:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The movie in question is [[It's Coming (film)]]. A Gooogle search for two common words like "it's coming" is going to produce countless false search results. But search terms "it's coming movie" and "it's coming film" have the Wikipedia article ranked about #5 on Google, which is pretty darned good. The film's own website and trailer and Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb rank higher. The specifics of Google's ever changing search algorithms are opaque, providing employment to countless SEO specialists. Of course, the prominent banners at the top of the article may deter prospective streaming viewers, but that is the result of the primary author behaving like a total ass in so many ways. The one constant that I have noticed over the years is that more comprehensive Wikipedia articles tend to rank higher than briefer articles, which is no surprise. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 10:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::And hence perhaps another reason for the user having wanted to pad out the article with a great number of positive quotes from reviews. Although, in fairness, there were other (entirely neutral) ways in which the article might have been lengthened if that had been the intention. |
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:::::However, that still leaves the question of why the user was so sure that {{tq|These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability [in Google searches]}}. |
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:::::Obviously it's staggering that the user felt that non-conflicted users would find an SEO-based reasoning a compelling argument to remove the COI/PAID tags - but it seems reasonable to assume that he believed what he was saying. [[User:Axad12|Axad12]] ([[User talk:Axad12|talk]]) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Google, and other search engine operators, do not reveal their criteria for evaluating pages, as that would make it too easy for people to game their evaluations. There are techniques that SEO people discuss and use; if you're interested, you'll be able to find such discussions. It seems to me likely that a long Wikipedia article will score higher than a short one, and that one with tags at the top will score lower. An SEO expert will know far more about these things than I do. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Witness statements as sources == |
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Wade Martin (WM) is an exceptionally prolific, bilingual, driven Renaissance man and founder of JWM Enterprises, the umbrella corporation for JWM Records & WM Studios. WM designs websites for his own companies, takes the photography for his artists’ CD covers and media, writes and orchestrates the successful business and marketing plans for his endeavors. His success over the past fifteen years lies in his innate ability to appeal to a diverse market from Rock, Hip Hop, R&B, AC to Pop, and his musical merits speak for themselves. |
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Should witness statements for court cases or public enquiries be used as sources for biographies of living people? I avoid it, even if they are available online (''public'' enqiry!), as they may contain information of a very personal nature about family, health, etc. or can end up making the article look like a CV. I might give a brief quote: "she said in her witness statement to the public enquiry..." if there is anything very important, although if it is important it is likely to be reported in the media, but not use the statement for details of someone's childhood, etc. |
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Most impressively of all, due to his exceptionally high standards, WM writes, engineers, arranges, edits, performs all instrumentation, produces, mixes, and then masters all of his work single handedly. He’s was one of the first to cracked the US Top 40 with a song he sang, wrote, recorded, and produced. Additionally, WM plays and records over twenty different instruments, and guest judged on American Idol on FOX. |
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I ask because another editor [[User:Strugglehouse|Strugglehouse]] is adding content from witness statements from the Horizon Inquiry to articles of living people, for example, to [[Paula Vennells]] and, potentially, [[Jo Hamilton]] and I haven't been able to find anything in reliable sources guidance about it, although I am sure I have seen something in the past. [[User:Southdevonian|Southdevonian]] ([[User talk:Southdevonian|talk]]) 12:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I used these sources as, as you mentioned, these are public. |
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WM builds and designs state-of-the-art recording studios to facilitate his needs from state to state. His newest recording studio, “WM Studios,” is based in Phoenix Arizona, and has developed a reputation as more than just another studio. Built and designed from the ground up by WM himself, WM Studios currently ranks as one of the best studios in the country. The Vocal Booth and Live Room feature wall touch screens so artists may operate Pro Tools remotely or just interface with their lyrics, and also hosts the world’s FIRST ever complete touch screen console designed by WM himself. |
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:While I do think some public documents shouldn't be used, I believe these are probably okay. Most very personal information within the couple of documents that I have used is redacted. Therefore, I think it's okay to use for some claims. |
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:I do agree, however, that if claims can be proven by other sources, such a the book source used in the [[Jo Hamilton (subpostmaster)|Jo Hamilton]] article, this is probably better. [[User:Strugglehouse|Strugglehouse]] ([[User talk:Strugglehouse|talk]]) 12:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I think this might fall under [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]], which says {{tq|Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do <strong><em>not</em></strong> use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do <strong><em>not</em></strong> use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it <em>may</em> be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, [[Wikipedia:NOR|no original research]], and the other sourcing policies}}. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I think it's borderline. I agree that most of the time these kind of documents probably shouldn't be used. However, as I said, all actual personal details, such as dates of births, are redacted in the documents I used. [[User:Strugglehouse|Strugglehouse]] ([[User talk:Strugglehouse|talk]]) 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The use of the absolute term “do not” especially in a section talking more broadly about other things to avoid is very clear. Furthermore, even when covered by secondary sources, which might be permissible, when it comes to testimony, [[WP:UNDue]] must be considered as well. [[User:Tiggerjay|<span style='color:DarkOrange'>'''Tigger'''</span>'''Jay''']] [[User talk:Tiggerjay|<span style="font-size:85%;color:Purple">(talk)</span>]] 15:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Vandalism help request from Bondwagon == |
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WM was born in England; when he was eight, his parents retired to the Canary Islands. It was there that WM learned to speak Spanish fluently. Senor Blass Martinez, a world-renowned South American opera singer, recognized WM's talent as a singer and spent four years putting him through intense vocal training that helped build his powerful yet controlled five octave range |
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I have noticed some persistent vandalism at [[Ijaw People]]. Namely, persistent change of the population figures to an outdated number, not reflecting updated figures and sources. Removal of multiple reliable sources confirming new figures and replacing with one outdated source still on old figure . Persistent valdalism carried out by da5ft9. A tribes population calling remain constant for over a decade, hence the single oudated population figure is null and the multiple recent population figure is correct. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 13:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via [[Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup]]--> |
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In 1996, WM founded JWM Enterprises as the principal label for his then solo career. WM arrived to the US in 1999 as a singer, producer, and business man, and then retired his career as an artist some years after his arrival. Today, WM’s record label represents extremely talented young artists like JR, Danielle Siren, and Samantha Machado. WM’s role as president of the label is, needless to say, a very active one in which he not only writes and produces music, but also cultivates the talents image, stage productions, and market implementation. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jwmrecords|Jwmrecords]] ([[User talk:Jwmrecords|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwmrecords|contribs]]) 17:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Don't do it yourself, as you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. Ensure that he is [[WP:N|notable]], then find [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and ask a registered user to do it for you. Hope I've helped. [[User: Dendodge|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#999FFF">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:Gainsboro">dodge</em>''']]|<small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 18:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::First of all, you may want to read the following articles: [[WP:YFA]] and [[WP:V]]. They will discuss how to create an article and, also, go over the verifiability guidelines of Wikipedia. Also, you should take a look at [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:NPOV]]. The first article discusses the guidelines that should be followed when writing a biography. And the second discusses Wikpedia's "neutral point of view policy." As it stands, your text seems to violate WP:NPOV. It also [[WP:ADS|reads like an advertisement]]. — [[User:Littlealien182|<font size="+1">''Ł''</font>ittle<font size="+1">''Ä''</font>lien¹<sup>8</sup>²]] (<sub>[[User talk:Littlealien182|talk]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Littlealien182|contribs]]</sup>) 18:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Did you talked with the person you accuse to do this on his/her talk page ? |
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:::To put it more bluntly, the style of this piece, as it stands, is not unacceptable for Wikipedia and would need dozens of "peacock" words removing. Some of these words are "exceptionally", "prolific", "successful", "innate ability", "exceptionally high standards" and "powerful yet controlled" - [[User:Arpingstone|Adrian Pingstone]] ([[User talk:Arpingstone|talk]]) 18:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Each user have a '''"Talk page"'''. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 13:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::When using Wikipedia-specific jargon that the questioner is unlikely to be familiar with, always [[Help:Link|link]] to the page that defines it, in this case [[WP:PEACOCK]]. Often the [[WP:SHORTCUT|shortcut]] to the page closely resembles the jargon term we tend to use. We know this, but the new users probably do not yet. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::No, I did not speak with the person [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Also, the text posted above is a cut-and-paste copy of the text on [http://www.jwmrecords.com/wademartin.html this page] which bears a copyright notice. Copyrighted material cannot be used in Wikipedia articles. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 20:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]], please do not ask the same question four times. I've collapsed the duplicates below. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Well, technically, all text on Wikipedia is copyrighted, but it's been licensed under the [[GFDL]]. For copyrighted text from elsewhere to be usable here (assuming it met other Wikipedia policies and guidelines), the copyright holder would have to similarly license it (as per [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]]). [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]]<small>([[User talk:ConMan|Say hi!]])</small> 22:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks you @[[User:CanonNi|CanonNi]] for your contribution. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::Well, yes, but it seemed unnecessary to explain the matter in such detail when the text itself is so manifestly unsuitable as a WP article. If I saw it while new-page patrolling, db-copyvio would simply be the most convenient way of getting rid of it. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 22:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::thank you [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] I would advise you to either open a discussion at the editor's talk page or the article's talk page to settle the matter. It seems that Da5ft9 has reverted you earlier because the sources added were irrelevant and unreliable (regarding this, I don't think the 101lasttribes source is reliable since Wikipedia is one of the places they took their information from). [[User:Jolly1253|Jolly1253]] ([[User talk:Jolly1253|talk]]) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::101 last tribes excluded, there are other sources that should be considered and that are relaible too. If you take a loot at the sources, you will agree that not all should be discarded. Like I said earlier, it is highly unlikely that a tribes population will remain constant over multiple years. |
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::That being said, I will take your advise on the matter. [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 14:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Delete Attachments == |
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== Vandalism help request from Bondwagon == |
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I'm using SourceForge 4.4, web-based product to track software bugs, and also a place |
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to archive project documents. It has a built in Wiki page area. I uploaded two images |
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to the wiki page and they were displayed at the bottom of the page as attachments. |
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I can embed them in the page code but they still display as attachments at the bottom |
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of the page. How can I delete attachments from the page? |
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M- <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/129.55.200.20|129.55.200.20]] ([[User talk:129.55.200.20|talk]]) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I have noticed some vandalism at [[ijawpeople]]. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. |
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:Have you tried the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing|Computing section]] of Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing&action=edit§ion=new&editintro=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/How_to_ask click here]. I hope this helps. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. |
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Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 13:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via [[Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup]]--> |
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== Vandalism help request from Bondwagon == |
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== Is information for which a source, other than what's in my memory, disalllowed? == |
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This question relates to a BBC Children's Hour series of plays, so is not really of huge import. However, if sincere memories are barred because there is no corroboration, this may mean that unless somebody else comes up with the same information and can cite sources, in around 20 years time or so, the knowledge is likely to be be lost forever. |
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Is this right? |
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[[User:Segilla|Segilla]] ([[User talk:Segilla|talk]]) 21:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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I have noticed some vandalism at [[Ijaw people]]. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. |
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:Unfortunately, yes. That's what the [[WP:V|verifiability]] policy says. However, while your memories aren't sufficient sourcing for Wikipedia, there may still be an [[WP:ALTOUT|alternative outlet]] where you could record the information. [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]]<small>([[User talk:ConMan|Say hi!]])</small> 21:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. |
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::If an alternative outlet isn't satisfying enough, sometime in the next 20 years you might convince a journalist from a reputable publication to turn your memories into a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. Most likely, the journalist would also need to find corroborating information, but that's what journalists get paid to do. Wikipedia itself is more like a digest of already-published knowledge, so the most fruitful way to approach editing on Wikipedia is to ''start'' with some reliable sources, and write articles about whatever they say, rather than start with some arbitrary idea in mind and then try to find sources for it. Of course the human brain naturally does the latter, because we tend to remember ideas rather than where we read them, and thus many aspiring editors come to grief on Wikipedia. As far as losing knowledge forever goes, we know that all knowledge will eventually be lost forever. See: [[Ozymandias]]. So whether it happens in twenty years or in ten million years, ultimately everything we do will not matter. Thus I'd suggest focusing more on the problems at hand than on what happens after we die. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 23:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, [[User:Bondwagon|Bondwagon]] ([[User talk:Bondwagon|talk]]) 13:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via [[Help:Simple guide to vandalism cleanup]]--> |
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:::''[[Carpe diem]]''. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 23:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== 1909 French publication out of copyright? == |
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::::Speaking of lost BBC works, we have a featured article about [[Doctor Who missing episodes]]. See also [[:Category:Lost BBC episodes]] and [[Wiping#BBC]]. It's sad. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::When I feel sad, which happens from time to time in my life of unrelenting pain, I read the [[Grief counseling]] article, and then I'm happy about all the money I saved by not hiring a grief counselor to tell me the same stuff. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 05:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In [[Madagascar banana]] can we simply add direct translation of anything we want from pages 74 to 86 of https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/161596 as the author died in 1898 and it was published in 1909 so presumably it is out of copyright? [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 16:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== a different definition of financial intelligence == |
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:Under French law. It is out of copyright if we are talking about the right of the author and his heirs. |
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The current definition of financial intelligence on Wikipedia has to do with the gathering of information about financial affairs. There is another, completely different definition of financial intelligence, which has to do with a person's knowledge of financial concepts and the ability to read and interpret financial information. I would like to add an article this other definition. How do I do that?[[User:Businessfinance|Businessfinance]] ([[User talk:Businessfinance|talk]]) 21:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:In France , the delay is 70 years after the death of the person. <br /> <br /> |
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:If you want , I can show you texts from French legislation and translate this into English for you. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:It's in the public domain (it's out of copyright); so, as regards copyright, yes we can. However, if by simply adding you mean not using quotation marks (or block indentation) and not attributing the material to the author, no: for a Wikipedia editor to do either would be to plagiarize, which is unethical. Also, despite various hiccups, fads and mistakes, scientific understanding generally improves over the span of a century, and what was written and published commendably circa 1900 may later have been discredited. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:BOLD|Be bold]], [[WP:EDIT|edit the article]], and [[WP:CITE|cite]] [[WP:V|verifiable sources]]. Oh, and have a read of the page I've linked in the previous sentence. [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]]<small>([[User talk:ConMan|Say hi!]])</small> 21:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== timeline for responses to edit requests on extended-protected pages? == |
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::The two things sound too different to me to discuss in the same article. [[Intelligence]] and [[Intelligence (information gathering)]] are different articles for a reason. I think finding another article title would be better, for example "Financial savvy", or incorporate it in an existing article. [[Financial literacy]] exists but is about personal finances and your user name signals interest in business finance. Maybe [[Financial planning (business)]] could be expanded. [[Financial intelligence]] can get a [[WP:HAT|hatnote]] to whatever the other article is called. You may find editors knowing more about the subject at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finance]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC) |
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how long is it reasonable to wait for a response to an edit request on an extended-protected page? [[User:Kenfree|Kenfree]] ([[User talk:Kenfree|talk]]) 22:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:There are no guideline about this subject in my knowledge but you should read this "[[Wikipedia:There is no deadline]]" and "[[Wikipedia:There is a deadline]]". [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 22:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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= October 15 = |
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::thanks for these references [[User:Kenfree|Kenfree]] ([[User talk:Kenfree|talk]]) 03:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hard to say, [[User:Kenfree|Kenfree]], but certainly no less than one week. As for your three-day-old request on [[Talk:Alison Weir (activist)]], I note that you placed it immediately below a section all but the first sentence of which is an enormity added by you in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alison_Weir_(activist)&diff=prev&oldid=1263716894 this edit], made two days earlier than your request. Do you expect people to read and digest that section too? As for your request, it's in the form "Change: [text] To: [text with five numbers for references] The sources are here: [sentence including references]." If you (i) change "The sources are here" to "The same suggested replacement text, but with working links", and (ii) remove the line break, the result would be easier for others to understand. However far better than providing mere links would be to specify author(s), title, website and link for each of the five references. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== How do I add a citation when I find one?== |
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::Yes,I think any editor with an interest in this page should be apprised of the point by point critique of its content by Weir's organization...As I said in summary, the Wikipedia entry on her in its current form reads more like a hit piece than an objective description of this activist. |
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I see in articles that there are notations of where a citation is needed? Does anyone know how to add those when I find them. Depending on whether it is a book or a website, it is hard to tell what is the proper format? If it isn't a bother could you put a link on my talk page? Thank you. [[User:Elmmapleoakpine|Elmmapleoakpine]] ([[User talk:Elmmapleoakpine|talk]]) 01:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::As to the rest of your reply, I will take it under advisement and follow your instructions to the best of my ability....thank you for it! [[User:Kenfree|Kenfree]] ([[User talk:Kenfree|talk]]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:All questions get answered here, sorry. It seems what you're looking for is [[WP:CITE|the citation guidelines]], which gives an overview of citations. Most of the information you want should be there. --[[User:Alinnisawest|Alinnisawest]],<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Alinnisawest|<font color="black">'''Dalek Empress'''</font>]]</sup> ([[User talk:Alinnisawest|<font color="#cf0021">'''extermination requests here]]'''</font>) 02:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::You might find the template below useful: |
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::--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Get to know [[WP:FOOT]], [[WP:CITE]], and [[WP:CITET]]. If you do, you will probably be in the top decile of Wikipedia editors by skill. If you look at [[WP:FACR]] and some [[WP:FA|featured articles]], you'll see most of them have lots of references and format all of them with citation templates. That's one of the big differences between featured articles and much of the rest of Wikipedia. For Wikipedia to reach its goal of getting every article up to featured quality, either most of our {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users will have to smarten up a whole lot, or we will need better software tools to make adding references so simple that the majority of Wikipedia users can do it (or [[WP:EIW#Bot|bots]] can do it). I would like to see all publishers who want to get cited by Wikipedia (and who wouldn't?) adding citation data to their pages in some standard format accessible to, say, the Universal Reference Formatter (see {{Tl|Google scholar cite}} to see how that works). --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 04:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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= December 23 = |
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Hello, |
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I just wrote an article about Micro-x-ray fluorescence, but I misspelled the page name. I put Micro-x-ray fluoresence and it is supposed to be Micro-x-ray fluorescence. How can I change the page name? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Grullon21|Grullon21]] ([[User talk:Grullon21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Grullon21|contribs]]) 01:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You can [[WP:MOVE|move]] pages when your account becomes [[WP:AUTOCONFIRM|autoconfirmed]] after 4 more edits. I'm not sure about the best capitalization but the main thing is probably correct spelling and I moved it to [[Micro-X-ray Fluorescence]] for now. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== How to Request a Title of Article be Changed == |
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I tried to change (correctly) the name of an article but I got this message: |
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The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text. |
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I went to the "Requested moves" link but have no idea how to request there. There's no textbox or link where I can submit my request. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Stepusual|Stepusual]] ([[User talk:Stepusual|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stepusual|contribs]]) 02:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You can edit a section at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] by clicking "edit" to the right of the section. The best place depends on the move you want, and maybe we can fix it right here. What is it? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== creating a redirect == |
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If I created a redirect for [[Scream 4]] to go to [[Scream (film series)]], would I be given a stern talking-to? I'm not sure I should since the Scream 4 page has gone through so many deletions. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Unless one of the people who deleted the page before happens to be reading the Help desk just now (a possibility, I suppose), essentially you are asking the rest of us to predict what the people who deleted the page before will do when they see your new redirect. I can think of two ways to figure out what those people will do: |
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:*Ask them. |
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:*Create the redirect and see how fast they delete it (or not). |
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:I'd lean toward asking them, if it was my problem. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 04:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::It was protected and required an admin. I have redirected it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Government of New York == |
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Why is [[Government of New York]] listed at [[:Category:United States statewide political official templates]]?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 06:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:probably one of the templates has a problem. I'm looking now. [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] <sup>([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]—[[User:Ling.Nut/3IAR|WP:3IAR]])</sup> 06:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:[[Template:Current New York statewide political officials]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACurrent_New_York_statewide_political_officials&diff=245270890&oldid=244908144 was recently edited] to not include a couple of categories. I think that it might actually take up to a few days in some cases for all of the categories and pages to reflect changes. I know that I saw a notice to that effect on [[CAT:CSD]] or something pretty recently. [[User:WODUP|'''''<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#4169E1">W<span style="color:#191970">ODU</span>P</span>''''']] 06:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::No... the template needed a /doc subpage, so I made one.. the cats should have been added there. Moved them. See [[Wikipedia:Template documentation]]. [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] <sup>([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]—[[User:Ling.Nut/3IAR|WP:3IAR]])</sup> 07:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Then why is [[Government of New York]] still listed in [[:Category:United States statewide political official templates]]? [[User:WODUP|'''''<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#4169E1">W<span style="color:#191970">ODU</span>P</span>''''']] 07:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I don't see it. Clear your cache? [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] <sup>([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]—[[User:Ling.Nut/3IAR|WP:3IAR]])</sup> 07:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, it's gone now, but it ''was'' there... really... I swear... [[User:WODUP|'''''<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#4169E1">W<span style="color:#191970">ODU</span>P</span>''''']] 07:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Now the template and its documentation are in the wrong places. [[:Category:United States statewide political official templates]] should contain templates not documentation pages.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 13:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Request for a bot to do something== |
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How do I set up a request please that a bot regularly goes through [[List of photographers]], deleting anyone with a red link? [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<font color="0000FF">☎</font>]] 09:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Some people consider me an evialllll deletionist; but even I am uncomfortable with the idea of something that crucial being done by a bot. This is a serious matter; some of those folks may deserve their own articles, and a redlink can be a clue as to places where Wikipedia is lacking. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] | [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 13:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Isn't there a bot that does something like this for date articles? For example, someone adds a redlink to October 15th and the bot reverts it. I think there are limitations though (e.g. the bot only reverts once per article per day). <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 13:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Once a day would be fine. At the moment the job is being done by editors. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<font color="0000FF">☎</font>]] 17:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Well, [[User:PseudoBot|Pseudobot]] only works with date articles. I think (but am not positive) that many people agreed that the majority of redlinks added to dates were vandalism. I don't know if that applies to other articles/lists. I hope this helps. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== IE hangs when loading into wikipedia == |
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Hi i have a group of users who frequently access to wikipedia site. However lately they have been encountering this problem: |
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IE hangs when trying to load www.wikipedia.org. No responses from IE. I would need to terminate the session and restart again. Sometimes after shutting down and restart it works, but some other times it will just not response. |
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Is there any solution for this? or advise you could give relating to this problem? |
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thanks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.118.67.5|82.118.67.5]] ([[User talk:82.118.67.5|talk]]) 13:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:[[Image:P computing.svg|20px]] '''This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing|Computing reference desk]]'''. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try {{Google wikipedia||searching Wikipedia}} for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.<!-- Template:HD --> [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span>'''h'''<span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<sub>work</sub>]] 15:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== software that allows your files to speak to you == |
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I am looking for a software program that will read the files I enter into my folers and instead of my reading then (I only have one eye and get eye tired quickly) it will read them to me. |
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I receive thousands of pages of legal files (paraticularly depositons) and I am looking for a way of reviewing them without going more blind. |
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If you are not able to assist me, please point me in the right direction. Thanks for your time and consideration. |
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www.securityoffice.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.245.206.159|96.245.206.159]] ([[User talk:96.245.206.159|talk]]) 14:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:[[Image:P computing.svg|20px]] '''This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing|Computing reference desk]]'''. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try {{Google wikipedia||searching Wikipedia}} for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.<!-- Template:HD -->BTW, please do not provide your personal information here. [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span>'''h'''<span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<sub>work</sub>]] 15:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Getting Started== |
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how do I go about getting started? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/63.215.28.105|63.215.28.105]] ([[User talk:63.215.28.105|talk]]) 14:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:There are a bunch of ways to get started editing Wikipedia. The best way is to find a subject that interests you and look for ways to improve articles. You can also create an account, which has [[WP:WHY|a lot of benefits]]. [[WP:BOLD|Be bold]] and help out! If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here or on [[User talk:Tnxman307|my talk page]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 14:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Wikipedia is a [[do it yourself]] system, which means you have to [[RTFM|read lots of friendly manuals]] to figure out what to do. Start reading at [[Help:Contents]]. Take the [[WP:TUTORIAL|tutorial]]. [[WP:BOLD|Be bold]], but always in proportion to your knowledge of Wikipedia. As you know from real life, the less people know about something, the more cautious they should be with it. However, Wikipedia is much more rugged than most things; almost any mistake you can make here is relatively easy for other editors to [[WP:REVERT|revert]], so you can learn by [[trial and error]] with considerably less bloodshed than is typical in real life. If you want a human to personally guide you, see [[WP:ADOPT]]. If you want a structured introduction to Wikipedia, see [[Wikipedia - The Missing Manual]]. For general information about Wikipedia, see [[Wikipedia]], [[wiki]], and [[MediaWiki]]. You could also read this Help desk every day and follow the links from the answers to questions. The Help desk illustrates very well the kinds of problems successive waves of new users run into repeatedly as they try to figure out the giant puzzle of Wikipedia. By learning from other people's problems, you will experience fewer of them. If you are serious about learning to edit on Wikipedia, I recommend [[WP:ACCOUNT|making an account]] so you can begin editing your [[Help:User page|user page]]. Your user page is a place to write notes about what you are doing, add [[Help:Link|links]] to the [[WP:WIAA|articles]] you are working on, and to the internal document pages you are studying or refer to often. For example, you will want to remember the [[WP:EIW|Editor's index]] - the single page that probably answers more questions about Wikipedia than any other. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 18:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Probably the easiest way to start is to read articles that interest you, and fix any typographical errors you see. Wikipedia always has lots of misspelled words and so on, especially in articles that attract a large proportion of casual editors and have had lots of [[Help:History|recent editing activity]]. You can fix most typographical errors even before you have learned much of Wikipedia's [[wikitext]] [[markup language]]. See [[Help:Editing]] and [[Help:Wikitext examples]]. Also, you did not tell us what subjects interest you. Many people who edit on Wikipedia tend to focus on particular subject areas. For many subjects, there are corresponding [[WP:PROJ|WikiProjects]] where editors coordinate their efforts. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 18:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Help== |
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The main template for the page [[The Simpsons (season 20)]] isn't looking like it's suppose to - can anyone help? [[User:A|<font color="#4B5320">Ay]]</font><sup> ([[User talk:A|<font color="#4B5320">'''''Reply!'''''</font>]],[[Special:Contributions/A|<font color="#4B5320">'''''Contribs!'''''</font>]])</sup> 15:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I have hidden the table of contents on the page and the page now resembles season 19. Is that what you meant? Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="darkblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 16:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks! I meant the template itself was broken, but now it's fixed. Now, without the Table of Contents, it matches season 19. Thanks a lot! [[User:A|<font color="cornflowerblue">A]]</font> <sub>[[User talk:A|<font color="cornflowerblue">talk</font>]]</sub> 18:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Using columns within a table cell == |
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Hi, I'm having a hard time finding a method of instituting multiple columns of text within a table cell without having it look crappy or distorting the rest of the table. Specifically, I'm trying to divide the Coauthors cells into columns in the [[Jeffrey A. Wilson]] article, because they are very long and stretching the cells vertically. I've tried the <nowiki>{{col-begin}}</nowiki> template and using a nested table (like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_A._Wilson&oldid=245466148 this]), but despite basically doing what I wanted, they either end up distorting the parent table or creating a visible minitable in the cell which is an eyesore. Is there any way that I can divide the lists of coauthors into columns without it being ugly or harming the rest of the table? [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] ([[User talk:Abyssal|talk]]) 20:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Just glancing at it offhand, I'd suggest trying to make multiple columns for the coauthors in the main table, and using a colspan to put a single heading over the two or three coauthor columns. Then you can manually distribute the coathors among their columns. You can probably figure out how to not draw a line between the coauthor columns. I'm too lazy to work out an example here, but I could if you don't follow what I mean. Look at all the table examples under [[WP:EIW#Table]] to get more clues. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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= October 16 = |
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== Recent Changes Transcluded only == |
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Special:RecentChangesLinked/''whatever'' will show all changed pages both linked to and transcluding the target ''whatever''. Is there a way of hiding the linked pages to show (only) the transcluding pages, for example Special:RecentChangesLinked/Template:''whatever''&hidelinks=1 does not work ? [[User:Pee Tern|Peet Ern]] ([[User talk:Pee Tern|talk]]) 12:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I tried asking this at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Recent Changes Transcluded only]] a few days ago but have not got any responses. |
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:[[User:Pee Tern|Peet Ern]] ([[User talk:Pee Tern|talk]]) 22:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Change of name == |
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Hello. I have two questions: 1.) is there a place I can change my name to User: Archaeopteryx |
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(the ''real'' name of the dinosaur bird I wanted to name myself after but got misspelled) and 2.) once this happens, will the edits I previously have done appear under the new name too? As always, I would like |
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to be contacted on my talk page, and as always, thank you for answering.--[[User:Archeopteryx|Archeopteryx]] ([[User talk:Archeopteryx|talk]]) 00:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Replied on user talk. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Yeah, another question == |
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Sorry for another question. Is it possible to add "skins" to your user page so the text is in |
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front of the picture?--[[User:Archeopteryx|Archeopteryx]] ([[User talk:Archeopteryx|talk]]) 00:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Do you mean only for you to see, or for everybody to see? I don't know either way, but if nobody else gives you a compact answer, read the links under [[WP:EIW#Custom]]. If the answer exists, it's probably in there. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I mean for everybody to see.--[[User:Archeopteryx|Archeopteryx]] ([[User talk:Archeopteryx|talk]]) 00:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Well this is just me, I do not think it is possible for a couple of reasons. Because of the difference of formats between browser's eg, IE,FF,Oprea etc it might not work work correctly universally. And I have not seen it done before. So may I suggest to add text to an image before uploading using ms paint or paint.net or anything else. Like I said this is just my thoughts for your question, Does anyone agree or have any other suggestions?.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 00:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::A [[Help:Skin|skin]] is only for you to see. If you want to make something for everybody to see, you might be able to put text in front of a picture with a <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> tag, but I've never tried that. See [[Help:HTML in wikitext]] for clues about what might be possible. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 01:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== How to do a reverse dictionary lookup? == |
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what do i do if i know the meaning of the word but i dont know what word it means????? |
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thanks :] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.14.51.12|69.14.51.12]] ([[User talk:69.14.51.12|talk]]) 00:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You can try {{Tl|Google}}-ing for the meaning that you know, and maybe the word will come up. You could also type the meaning you know in a question on [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language]] and ask people to tell you some words that have that meaning. (Time to go watch a Presidential debate now.) --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 01:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Any good thesaurus should help you out such as [http://thesaurus.reference.com/ this] one.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 01:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== i just posted my first creation on wikipedia and... == |
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The persons name is "Don Blum", but for some reason it's listed as Don blum? |
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Can anyone tell me how to fix this? [[User:Adamandsuzie|Adamandsuzie]] ([[User talk:Adamnandsuzie|talk]]) 11:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 04:07, 23 December 2024
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December 20
drafts of Pakistani dramas
should add second drafts from redirect for Pakistani dramas because i learn about putting reliable soruces by Sunuraju (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, @Sunuraju, I don't understand what you are asking. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- because i learns how to put citation sources today and i need add drafts for paksitani dramas for citation sources Sunuraju (talk) 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- because of sockpupprt accounts without add ciation sources which dramas wiki pages like Hook are redirected to Ary Digtal Sunuraju (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- because i learns how to put citation sources today and i need add drafts for paksitani dramas for citation sources Sunuraju (talk) 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- The target of the redirect can only be changed when the drafts get accepted and published into the mainspace, if that answers your question. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- See User_talk:Sunuraju. There are several draft articles that were turned down because they were improperly sourced or written like an advertisement. Wikipedia is not IMDb or a similar resource, so all articles about actors, films etc need to meet the general notability guideline.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Ahh, how long I'm waiting for an article review?!!
Help! I'm NOT patient with my article review and I'm tired of waiting for weeks and weeks. What can I do? Gnu779 (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Gnu779, I find it rude to be impatient with volunteer reviewers who review drafts in their own time. We receive hundreds of new drafts a day for review with a very limited amount of volunteer reviewers. The current wait time is 8 weeks or longer. You can continue to be patient. qcne (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Having had a look at Draft:Hong Jen Yee, it has zero chance of reaching article mainspace at the moment. I could review it and turn it down today, but this wouldn't help much. It is way too short and lacks sourcing, see WP:NPERSON.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Might also be Draft: Pelles C? qcne (talk) 16:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Having had a look at Draft:Hong Jen Yee, it has zero chance of reaching article mainspace at the moment. I could review it and turn it down today, but this wouldn't help much. It is way too short and lacks sourcing, see WP:NPERSON.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Basically there are almost 2,000 articles waiting for review right now, and there aren't many people who look through them. So it's hard to say when drafts get reviewed. It could be a couple minutes or a couple months. Your best bet is just to find another thing to work on for a little while. There are countless tasks that help out Wikipedia if you're looking for more ways to participate. Also make sure that the article you submitted meets the standards generally expected. Each article should have a few good sources about the subject (like newspaper pieces about them or something like that). Thanks for your help in expanding Wikipedia! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'm bad at writing articles. Sorry for that but I have big problems with that. Gnu779 (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- An average wait of weeks is actually pretty good, I've seen it as high as 6 months or more. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, dude. It took me over maybe 2 months or something. Gnu779 (talk) 11:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- An average wait of weeks is actually pretty good, I've seen it as high as 6 months or more. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'm bad at writing articles. Sorry for that but I have big problems with that. Gnu779 (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Editing a repeatedly-declined AfC draft from scratch?
Hello! I am not actually sure what the correct process is for this. I am a librarian who is killing time at the reference desk reading old Help Desk archives (because I have learned a ton about Wikipedia and its policies by doing so), and I encountered a discussion of Draft:Uman (artist) being repeatedly declined through the AfC process in January of last year. In viewing the draft, I see that it was further declined for the subject's purported lack of notability in July 2024. However, I think this person easily meets general notability guidelines if not WP:ARTIST, having received significant independent coverage (ranging from lengthier profiles to briefer exhibition reviews) from credible publications like CNN (see here), Artnet News (see here), ARTNews (see here), the New York Times Magazine (see here), Artforum (see here), and The New Yorker (see here). The artist also has a major solo show upcoming at a notable art institution, the The Aldrich Contemporary Art Museum, that has also received support from the notable Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts.
With all due respect to the folks who reviewed this page through AfC, I acknowledge that the current draft is written to be too complimentary to the subject, but I think that is a separate issue from notability, and if this were not already part of the AfC process, I do not think that I, as an extended confirmed user, would have had any issue creating a NPOV draft and passing NPP based on the subject's notability as documented through the above links. Creating an article for this artist falls directly in my expertise wheelhouse, and I think it is important and helpful to continue to contribute articles about BIPOC and female contemporary artists to the encyclopedia due to their relative lack of coverage.
My question is, because a draft was begun through AfC, do I need to edit the problematic draft that has repeatedly been declined--or can I erase it and start anew? Further, do I need to submit it again through AfC if I can completely redraft it, or can I move it to the mainspace myself--as I have no COI here and do not need help drafting an article, and the WP:AFC page says that "Established users are encouraged to create articles on their own if they do not need support from reviewers."
If this is not the best place to ask, is there a more specific forum for AfC-related issues in which to ask this question? Thank you for your time. Peachseltzer (hello!) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Peachseltzer, the AfC process is entirely optional for competent autoconfirmed editors, and you are significantly more experienced. The draft in question has not had any substantive content edits for nine months, and the editor who created the draft has been inactive since then. I think it would be perfectly acceptable for you to write a policy compliant article from scratch, and just allow the draft to be deleted in due course. Cullen328 (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind and speedy reply @Cullen328! My desk shift is wrapping up now, so I will do just that on Monday. Peachseltzer (hello!) 18:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Peachseltzer: you could start a new article from scratch in you sandbox, or a subpage of your user space. If you are satisfied that notability is met via verification by reliable sources, you can move it to mainspace yourself. Mjroots (talk) 07:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind and speedy reply @Cullen328! My desk shift is wrapping up now, so I will do just that on Monday. Peachseltzer (hello!) 18:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
How to properly add annotations to entries in a bibliography?
Many Wikipedia pages have a "Further reading" or "Bibliography" section. They list useful important books that the reader of the article may use to learn more about the topic of the main article. Are there any tools (templates) or best practices for adding annotations, that is, additional information for each entry that would explain what the referenced work is (e.g. a seminal work, a monography or a review), so the reader will have an easier time deciding which book to read?
Many high quality articles on Wikipedia have a dedicated "Bibliography" section. It has various names, such as "Bibliography", "Further reading", "References", "Sources". They can be found on these articles, for example:
- Philosophy
- Existence
- Cynicism (philosophy)
- Humanism
- Eliminative materialism
- DNA
- Metabolism
- Wolf
- Charles Darwin
- Binary search
- Apollo 11
- Archaea
- Ancient Egyptian literature
- Confirmation bias
- Metaphysics
Thanks for any pointers. Regards, Fantastiera (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Bibliography" and "Further reading" are not the same thing. Take Philosophy as an example, the "citations" section points out the specific pages of the cited sources, whereas "bibliography" section list out all the books that the entries in "citations" came from. If you click/tap on the link of an entry in "citations", it will bring you to the corresponding book in "bibliography". In that sense, bibliography is a part of the reference, while further reading is not.
- To add citations like those, you'll need to list the sources in a "bibliography" section, then cite specific pages by adding "<ref>(Book title), p.(page number)</ref>" to the part of article where you want to add citations to. See WP:SFN. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, this is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the proper way to add annotation for entries in a "Further reading" section for the purpose explained above. This is not to link the references. Fantastiera (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- You might find Wikipedia:Further reading helpful. Schazjmd (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- There does not seem to be a standard format. You can follow the instructions at MOS:FURTHER. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. This looks very useful. Fantastiera (talk) 09:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, this is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the proper way to add annotation for entries in a "Further reading" section for the purpose explained above. This is not to link the references. Fantastiera (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Redirects
How do you make a redirect? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
December 21
This page is great but I placed the name by which he was known on top of the info box - should it be inside it ? (please see my citation which has his full title: The Hon. Marshall Jones Brooks)
Thank you Srbernadette (talk) 02:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Full name and title can be placed in either the lede sentence or the infobox. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 03:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot work out how to place the name and title IN the actual info box. Please assist. Thank you Srbernadette (talk) 08:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Srbernadette I think that the infobox "rugby biography" is designed so the name doesn't go into the box. See this example in the template documentation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot work out how to place the name and title IN the actual info box. Please assist. Thank you Srbernadette (talk) 08:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I wished Wikipedia supported wallpapers in pages...
It would be even more awesome if we could change the wallpaper of pages in Wikipedia. But the fonts' colors could change to adapt to the wallpaper. The button for that might look like this: Change wallpaper Gnu779 (talk) 10:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Gnu779. The place to suggest features is WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! You replied quickly! Gnu779 (talk) 11:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I will add that personally, I do not want the WP developers to spend time adding features that in my view do not contribute to the sole task we are here for: building an encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! You replied quickly! Gnu779 (talk) 11:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnu779 Did you know you have a choice of five skins? See Wikipedia:Skin. Shantavira|feed me 19:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Shantavira I know them. But how about wallpapers?
- Thanks, Gnu779 (talk) 06:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
List of pages using a shortcut
Before deciding to retarget a redirect of a shortcut, it would be helpful to know the pages that are using the shortcut, so that any disruption by the retargeting can be considered in the decision to retarget. Is there some way to find that out?
(I'm asking this question because of the discussion Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Wikipedia:PCR, which resulted in a retargeting of a redirect that disrupted a section, Provide context for the reader, of a page that I was reading.)
Thanks. Bob K31416 (talk) 17:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Unless I've misunderstood you, you can navigate to the redirect page (for example, go to WP:PCR, and then pick "Redirected from PCR" at the top) and then pick "What links here" ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was what I was looking for. Thanks. Bob K31416 (talk) 21:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
can i speak to a global renamer or steward
please FeistyRooster (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is an en Wikipedia Helpdesk, there is information and contact info at meta:Global renamers and meta:Stewards. TSventon (talk) 21:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where does the question belong? —Tamfang (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Tamfang I meant that I wouldn't expect global renamers or stewards to frequent this help desk, which I could be wrong about, rather than that this is the wrong venue. There is a helpdesk at meta:Help Forum, I don't know much about it. TSventon (talk) 03:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where does the question belong? —Tamfang (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
December 22
Query re: Search Engine Optimization
There was recently a very long thread at ANI about a user who was eventually site blocked. I won’t link to the thread because, frankly, life is too precious.
The user was a promo-only account who initially attracted attention to themselves by opening multiple threads to try to rush 3 film articles through AfC. The stated aim of the user was to get the articles to appear on Google searches to coincide with the US release of one of the films – i.e. apparent search engine optimization (SEO), as can be seen here [1].
The user also went to great lengths (again across multiple threads) trying unsuccessfully to remove PAID and/or COI tags from the articles.
The intersection between these two aims is clarified by the user’s suggestion that These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability [in Google searches], reducing accessibility for readers. This is not about SEO but ensuring that notable topics are properly represented and accessible
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I’d be interested to hear from other users on the issue of whether or not the presence of such tags would represent a serious impediment to the aims of someone involved in SEO. The film mainly in question here (It's Coming (film)) currently has 2 tags and appears 5th on a Google search for “It’s Coming film” and not on the first few pages of results if searching for “It’s Coming” (which is evidently far too generic a search term).
Any input here would be much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- My own understanding is that Wikipedia has its own objectives, rules, and policies, and ignores the objectives of SEO agents. If an editor admits that his objective is SEO, I personally would be disinclined to cooperate with him. If I read the suggestion you quote in teal above, I'd respond "That's great – I hope you'll work on improving the article until an impartial editor removes those tags." Maproom (talk) 09:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- See this ANI thread for further views. The now-banned Stan1900 has been remarkably effective at making enemies. Maproom (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, quite so (in response to both of your posts above). The user almost went out of their way to advertise their promotional and SEO objectives and then behaved at ANI in such as way that their conduct there alone was enough to get them blocked.
- However, my question is whether the existence of the tags interferes with attempts at search engine optimisation. And also, how does it interfere?
- To some extent I'm inclined to briefly remove the tags and see if the article moves from #5 to #1 on the Google search, but I'm reluctant to make an edit for such a contrived and non wiki-related reason. If I put the names of some (relatively obscure) untagged films into Google they do tend to occupy the #1 spot in a search - so there would seem to be some evidence that the blocked user was rather knowledgeable on how tags influence SEO (possibly implying a promotional background?).
- If COI/PAID tags do interfere with attempts at SEO then that can only be a good thing, of course. Axad12 (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The movie in question is It's Coming (film). A Gooogle search for two common words like "it's coming" is going to produce countless false search results. But search terms "it's coming movie" and "it's coming film" have the Wikipedia article ranked about #5 on Google, which is pretty darned good. The film's own website and trailer and Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb rank higher. The specifics of Google's ever changing search algorithms are opaque, providing employment to countless SEO specialists. Of course, the prominent banners at the top of the article may deter prospective streaming viewers, but that is the result of the primary author behaving like a total ass in so many ways. The one constant that I have noticed over the years is that more comprehensive Wikipedia articles tend to rank higher than briefer articles, which is no surprise. Cullen328 (talk) 10:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- And hence perhaps another reason for the user having wanted to pad out the article with a great number of positive quotes from reviews. Although, in fairness, there were other (entirely neutral) ways in which the article might have been lengthened if that had been the intention.
- However, that still leaves the question of why the user was so sure that
These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability [in Google searches]
. - Obviously it's staggering that the user felt that non-conflicted users would find an SEO-based reasoning a compelling argument to remove the COI/PAID tags - but it seems reasonable to assume that he believed what he was saying. Axad12 (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Google, and other search engine operators, do not reveal their criteria for evaluating pages, as that would make it too easy for people to game their evaluations. There are techniques that SEO people discuss and use; if you're interested, you'll be able to find such discussions. It seems to me likely that a long Wikipedia article will score higher than a short one, and that one with tags at the top will score lower. An SEO expert will know far more about these things than I do. Maproom (talk) 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The movie in question is It's Coming (film). A Gooogle search for two common words like "it's coming" is going to produce countless false search results. But search terms "it's coming movie" and "it's coming film" have the Wikipedia article ranked about #5 on Google, which is pretty darned good. The film's own website and trailer and Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb rank higher. The specifics of Google's ever changing search algorithms are opaque, providing employment to countless SEO specialists. Of course, the prominent banners at the top of the article may deter prospective streaming viewers, but that is the result of the primary author behaving like a total ass in so many ways. The one constant that I have noticed over the years is that more comprehensive Wikipedia articles tend to rank higher than briefer articles, which is no surprise. Cullen328 (talk) 10:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- See this ANI thread for further views. The now-banned Stan1900 has been remarkably effective at making enemies. Maproom (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Witness statements as sources
Should witness statements for court cases or public enquiries be used as sources for biographies of living people? I avoid it, even if they are available online (public enqiry!), as they may contain information of a very personal nature about family, health, etc. or can end up making the article look like a CV. I might give a brief quote: "she said in her witness statement to the public enquiry..." if there is anything very important, although if it is important it is likely to be reported in the media, but not use the statement for details of someone's childhood, etc. I ask because another editor Strugglehouse is adding content from witness statements from the Horizon Inquiry to articles of living people, for example, to Paula Vennells and, potentially, Jo Hamilton and I haven't been able to find anything in reliable sources guidance about it, although I am sure I have seen something in the past. Southdevonian (talk) 12:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I used these sources as, as you mentioned, these are public.
- While I do think some public documents shouldn't be used, I believe these are probably okay. Most very personal information within the couple of documents that I have used is redacted. Therefore, I think it's okay to use for some claims.
- I do agree, however, that if claims can be proven by other sources, such a the book source used in the Jo Hamilton article, this is probably better. Strugglehouse (talk) 12:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might fall under WP:BLPPRIMARY, which says
Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies
. Schazjmd (talk) 14:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)- I think it's borderline. I agree that most of the time these kind of documents probably shouldn't be used. However, as I said, all actual personal details, such as dates of births, are redacted in the documents I used. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The use of the absolute term “do not” especially in a section talking more broadly about other things to avoid is very clear. Furthermore, even when covered by secondary sources, which might be permissible, when it comes to testimony, WP:UNDue must be considered as well. TiggerJay (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's borderline. I agree that most of the time these kind of documents probably shouldn't be used. However, as I said, all actual personal details, such as dates of births, are redacted in the documents I used. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might fall under WP:BLPPRIMARY, which says
Vandalism help request from Bondwagon
I have noticed some persistent vandalism at Ijaw People. Namely, persistent change of the population figures to an outdated number, not reflecting updated figures and sources. Removal of multiple reliable sources confirming new figures and replacing with one outdated source still on old figure . Persistent valdalism carried out by da5ft9. A tribes population calling remain constant for over a decade, hence the single oudated population figure is null and the multiple recent population figure is correct. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Did you talked with the person you accuse to do this on his/her talk page ?
- Each user have a "Talk page". Anatole-berthe (talk) 13:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, I did not speak with the person Bondwagon (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bondwagon, please do not ask the same question four times. I've collapsed the duplicates below. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks you @CanonNi for your contribution. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- thank you Bondwagon (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bondwagon I would advise you to either open a discussion at the editor's talk page or the article's talk page to settle the matter. It seems that Da5ft9 has reverted you earlier because the sources added were irrelevant and unreliable (regarding this, I don't think the 101lasttribes source is reliable since Wikipedia is one of the places they took their information from). Jolly1253 (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- 101 last tribes excluded, there are other sources that should be considered and that are relaible too. If you take a loot at the sources, you will agree that not all should be discarded. Like I said earlier, it is highly unlikely that a tribes population will remain constant over multiple years.
- That being said, I will take your advise on the matter. Bondwagon (talk) 14:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Duplicate of above
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Vandalism help request from BondwagonI have noticed some vandalism at ijawpeople. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC) Vandalism help request from BondwagonI have noticed some vandalism at Ijaw people. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
1909 French publication out of copyright?
In Madagascar banana can we simply add direct translation of anything we want from pages 74 to 86 of https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/161596 as the author died in 1898 and it was published in 1909 so presumably it is out of copyright? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Under French law. It is out of copyright if we are talking about the right of the author and his heirs.
- In France , the delay is 70 years after the death of the person.
- If you want , I can show you texts from French legislation and translate this into English for you. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's in the public domain (it's out of copyright); so, as regards copyright, yes we can. However, if by simply adding you mean not using quotation marks (or block indentation) and not attributing the material to the author, no: for a Wikipedia editor to do either would be to plagiarize, which is unethical. Also, despite various hiccups, fads and mistakes, scientific understanding generally improves over the span of a century, and what was written and published commendably circa 1900 may later have been discredited. -- Hoary (talk) 23:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
timeline for responses to edit requests on extended-protected pages?
how long is it reasonable to wait for a response to an edit request on an extended-protected page? Kenfree (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are no guideline about this subject in my knowledge but you should read this "Wikipedia:There is no deadline" and "Wikipedia:There is a deadline". Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- thanks for these references Kenfree (talk) 03:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to say, Kenfree, but certainly no less than one week. As for your three-day-old request on Talk:Alison Weir (activist), I note that you placed it immediately below a section all but the first sentence of which is an enormity added by you in this edit, made two days earlier than your request. Do you expect people to read and digest that section too? As for your request, it's in the form "Change: [text] To: [text with five numbers for references] The sources are here: [sentence including references]." If you (i) change "The sources are here" to "The same suggested replacement text, but with working links", and (ii) remove the line break, the result would be easier for others to understand. However far better than providing mere links would be to specify author(s), title, website and link for each of the five references. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes,I think any editor with an interest in this page should be apprised of the point by point critique of its content by Weir's organization...As I said in summary, the Wikipedia entry on her in its current form reads more like a hit piece than an objective description of this activist.
- As to the rest of your reply, I will take it under advisement and follow your instructions to the best of my ability....thank you for it! Kenfree (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)