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Legend

Legend is missing from this list. LND cracks the industrial design and engineering applications such as delcam, mastercam, pro engineer, etc. they are noteworthy for their early hasp dongle cracks that at one time were 'thought' undefeatable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.255.39.63 (talk • contribs)

DoD or DOD ?

Hello, how DrinkOrDie can be called ? "(also known as DoD)...DOD" AZOG Kalimdor (talk) 07:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Legend ==
+Legend is missing from this list. LND cracks the industrial design and engineering applications such as delcam, mastercam, pro engineer, etc. they are noteworthy for their early hasp dongle cracks that at one time were 'thought' undefeatable. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:142.255.39.63|142.255.39.63]] ([[User talk:142.255.39.63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/142.255.39.63|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
-== What other groups should be added and why? ==
+== DoD or DOD ? ==
-Any sources quoted would be useful. [[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich Farmbrough]] 00:50, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
-:You might be interested in the VfD going on at the moment -- [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of warez groups|here]]. You can read and add to the discussion there &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 18:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
+Hello, how DrinkOrDie can be called ? "(also known as DoD)...DOD" [[User:AZOG Kalimdor|AZOG Kalimdor]] ([[User talk:AZOG Kalimdor|talk]]) 07:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
-== Should the list be broken up==
-Maybe by group, and listed in aprox. order of formation. [[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich Farmbrough]] 00:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
-:My opinion is that the format is fine ,but we should only keep groups with either articles here or a notable source. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 18:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
-==Table vs. list==
-I suggest we get rid of the tables, see [[Wikipedia:Tables#When_tables_are_inappropriate]]. Does anyone have any opinions about this? [[User:Bbx|bbx]] 04:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
-:The table was done for a simple reason... easier to spot the vandals... most vandals suck at wikicode and would corrupt the table. I have no problem with the table format going away, but it means someone is going to have to spend more time on vandal patrol. &nbsp;[[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]][[User_talk:Alkivar|&trade;]][[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 04:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
-::I'm surprised nobody noticed an edit by someone called Goatse.sx c'mon guys. If you make it a list I'll watch it. It makes it a lot better. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 05:05, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
-:::Okay, i have now removed the table and replaced it with a simpler list. I'm not sure about the layout, maybe it's possible to make it prettier? [[User:Bbx|bbx]] 07:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
-::::It looks much more manageable now.  Thanks, bbx.  &mdash;[[user:Radman1|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 02:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
-== Re-Write ==
-I'm proposing a re-write are [[List of warez groups/Temp]]. Only notable groups. Criteria: Must have either an article here or a notable source link (subject to debate). &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 05:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
-:If its going to be only groups that are on here, then you might as well stick to our already existing category. The whole point was to include other groups that did not yet have articles. &nbsp;[[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]][[User_talk:Alkivar|&trade;]][[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 15:55, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
-::Well I don't want to list every single newbie group out there, so I want some standard of notability. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 16:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
-:::LMAO, you don't know any group, so you can't possibly list any newbie group. [[User:128.100.31.201|128.100.31.201]] 17:48, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
-::::Umm...right. So, any suggestions for ''objective'' standards of notability. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 23:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
-::::: A news article where the group in question is the primary focus or one of the main foci of the article, in a mainstream newspaper, and the group is mentioned by name. This should be cited in the article, and any group which is added without a citation should be removed. [[User:Talrias|Talrias]] ([[User_talk:Talrias|t]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Talrias|e]] | [[Special:Contributions/Talrias|c]]) 01:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
-::::::Well we sorta do have a reasonable standard to follow... the [[User:Radman1/CUNT|Computer Underground Notability Test]]. &nbsp;[[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]][[User_talk:Alkivar|&trade;]][[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 03:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
-:::::::We should combine them both. Just article-based stuff would limit it too much. Interesting acronym.. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="color:gray;">Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;</span>]] [[User talk:Ilyanep|<span style="color: #333333;">(T&alpha;l&kappa;)</span>'']] 00:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
-== styling ==
-There's still more cleaning to do. I'm considering of separating the historical groups to:
-# pre-pc groups, such as commodore/amiga groups
-# early-pc era groups/groups that are more than 10 years old
-# other groups with mentionable achievements, first cractro, nfo, etc...
-Active groups, some groups might be under wrong categories, and there might be some already retired groups mixed still among them.
-For adding new active groups, I suggest rule of '''atleast''' 100 releases, which should be verifiable from some dupecheck. That should stop the  "never-heard-before,never-seen-in-dupes"-group spam.
-Perhaps separate categories under movies for DVDR and XViD groups?
-[[User:S33k3r|S33k3r]] 15:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
-: dupecheck? all i know is what i see on nforce. ;)
-: i also agree with the 100+ releases... even i can't verify any of this :(
-: and dvdr/xvid groups could be a bit difficult to keep track of. how about a table with asteriks as to what scenes the groups participate in? ie mVz in MV scene + DVDR + somethingelse, i can't remember. same with TWC...
-: [[User:Plonk420|Plonk420]] 08:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
-==Microsoft uses pirated tools?==
-[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_warez_groups&curid=1218794&diff=22310592&oldid=22310489] Can someone please source this?  And which sounds?    &mdash;[[user:Radman1|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
-: [http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11183-0.html?forumID=89&threadID=173539&start=0 Hmmm...]  [http://www.mncc.com.my/ossig/lists/general/2004-11/msg00104.html OK.]  [http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/11/15/124827/52 There we go.]  Excellent.  &mdash;[[user:Radman1|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 07:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
-== '''Criticism on Alkivar''' ==
-see [[Talk:Warez#Criticism on Alkivar]] for original post and my reply. &nbsp;[[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]][[User_talk:Alkivar|&trade;]][[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 19:21, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
-:"Warez - I was involved in the illegal transfer of copyrighted software for a good 15 years."
-:"uNITED cRACKING fORCE - a cracking group I was a member of for 5 years."
-:"aPOCALYPSE pRODUCTION cREW - a music piracy group I was in for a few years"
- - courtesy of ALKIVAR's home page. [[User:ZenDude|ZenDude]] 17:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
-== Categories of the warez groups ==
-Personally I think some of the categories used for the groups are a bit off. If you were to break it down into detail for the PC software scene you would have the following.
-For games there are floppy, CD-RIP, ISO
-Then you have cracking groups which just release cracks, patches and serial generators but don't package it with the actual software its designed to break.
-And then finally you have application/utility groups which release the application and include a crack, gen or even just a serial number.
-It was not often that groups dabbled outside their specialised area, rather they often created a new spin-off group to handle the miscellaneous releases they might have. For example
-INC created INC Utility Division for their apps
-Razor 1911 for the PC was a originally floppy game group, it created ROM 1911 and later RazorCD to handle cd-rips. Then when the floppy scene died, RazorCD reclaimed the title Razor 1911. Years later RazorISO would again spin off from Razor 1911 for ISO releases.
-TDU-Jam was the cd-rip division of the floppy group Genesis
-Hybrid was the cd-rip division of the floppy group Eclipse
-The recent Fairlight (ISO) used to release cd-rips in the mid-90's under the name ROM-light. ROM-light again was a spin-off from the earlier Fairlight PC floppy group that used to be around in the early nineties.
-I believe the following categories are incorrect ..
-"Applications and 0day groups" .. 0day was a term created in the BBS days to say how quicky the site obtained the releases after they were released by the pirate groups. Applying this term to release groups is a bit of a misconstruction, because in reality the good groups will always get the title (at the very latest!) on the same day as its shop release date. If there is a delay with the release then it is usually a cracking related problem rather then a supply problem.
-"Application (ISO) groups" .. you might as well remove the ISO part unless you are going to divide it up into Application (ISO) and Application (RIP). Because during the 1990's nearly of the application releases were rips rather then ISO images.
-It might be more clearer if you just divided the apps into three sections ..
-Cracking, Application (rip), Application (iso) as they are three distinctly different types of release groups.
-Or if that is too segregated then maybe just use Cracking & Application .. because there needs a clearer distinction between cracking groups and pirate groups imho.
-Also here are some corrections I think need to be done within the list..
-* The Humble Guys (THG)
-This is not an active group and hasnt been for a decade.. needs to be moved to historical
-* United Software Association (USA)
-Was a games group not a 'Application (ISO) groups', needs to be moved to historical --[[User:Ipggi|Ipggi]] 03:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
-: Good to see you here, Ipggi!  Some of us have taken a break from Wikipedia for a while, but you are welcome to [[WP:BOLD|be bold]] and make any changes you deem necessary.  &mdash;[[user:Radman1|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 02:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
-== AfD result ==
-{{oldafdfull|date=September 23, 2005|result=keep|votepage=List of warez groups}} [[User:JIP|&mdash; <font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 17:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)