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{{{icon|[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|30px|]] }}}You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit war]]{{{{{subst|}}}#if:History of Jews in Poland|&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:History of Jews in Poland]]}}. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. {{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 20:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
: Moreover, your edits are unsubstantiated. We presume good faith, but you should at least know what you are writing about, especially ina field that is particularly well-documented.[[User:Galassi|Galassi]] 21:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Please take a break. Whatever you are trying to accomplish, you are going about it the wrong way. First of all, going back to your version (reverting) more than 3 times in a 24 period is a break of the rules and may result in being blocked from editing for a period of time. Second, the article you are trying to change has seen a lot of work and is in a sense an elaborate compromise. It was written by people from all sides of the issue, and this is the concensus version that has been arrived at. You cannot just march in and replace it with your own, "true" version. This is not the Wikipedia way.

Let me put it another way. Many people around the world feel that Poland and Poles share at least a part of the responsibility for the Holocaust. You may strongly disagree with this, but this cannot change the fact that they feel this way. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and hence in some sense incorporates all (or almost all) views, it must incorporate that view as well. Learn to accept this, if you want to join this community for the longer term. [[User:Balcer|Balcer]] 21:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:'''If you make any more reversions to [[History of Jews in Poland]] without providing [[WP:V|reliable sources]] for your edits, I will report you for violating the [[WP:3RR|Three-revert rule]]. You may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] for up to 24 hours.''' — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 21:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

::I feel that you have left me no alternative than to report you for repeatedly violating the [[WP:3RR|Three-revert rule]]. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 22:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Jacurek reported by User:Malik Shabazz (Result: )]]. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 22:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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== [[History of Jews in Poland]] ==

Your recent edit to [[History of Jews in Poland]] inserted the sentence "With some exceptions, Poles did not cooperate with the Germans in the destruction of Jewish community and many protected their Jewish compatriots putting their own lives on the balance of risk."

You identified [http://www1.yadvashem.org/Odot/prog/index_before_change_table.asp?GATE=Z&list_type=2-51&type_id=4&total=N this site] as the source for the statement.

That page has links to 10 research papers. Could you please point out exactly where support for that statement can be found?

Thank you. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 03:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you for identifying Paulsson. It seems he is best known as Gunnar S. Paulsson, and that is the name under which his book was published. (I don't know why his newspaper column was printed under the obscure name Steven Paulson.) See my comments at [[Talk:History of Jews in Poland#Steven Paulsson]]. Thanks again. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 02:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
==Regarding your edits to [[:History of Jews in Poland]]:==
Your recent edit to [[:History of Jews in Poland]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_Jews_in_Poland&diff=prev&oldid=155792671 diff]) was reverted by an '''automated bot'''. You have been identified as a new user or a logged out editor using a [[Web server|hosting]] or [[Local area network|shared IP address]] to add email addresses, phone numbers, [[YouTube]], [[Geocities]], [[Myspace]], [[Facebook]], blog, forum, or other such free-hosting website links to a non-talk page. Please note that such links [[WP:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided|are generally to be avoided]]. You can restore any ''other'' content by editing the page and re-adding that content. The links can be [[Help:Page history|reviewed]] and restored by established users. Thank you for contributing! // [[User:VoABot II|VoABot II]] 07:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


==Thank you for your Poland-related contributions==
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== Jewish population on the territories annexed by the Soviets in September 1939 ==

Hi Jacurek. I have no doubt that some Jews in those territories welcomed the Soviets, for a variety of reasons. Some may have been pro-Soviet, some may have seen them as the lesser of two evils. And the different attitude toward the Soviets was a cause of friction between non-Jewish and Jewish Poles. The article already made reference to this:

:Compared to Poles, significant percentage of Jews where sympathetic to the Soviets; while Poles saw Soviets as invaders, many Jews saw them for what they claimed to be - protectors from the Nazis. That led to growing tensions between Polish and Jewish communities in those regions.

But I think the sentences you added went much further. You wrote that many Jews "greeted Russian forces joyfully" and mentioned "Jewish over joy at the Red Army’s arrival". That's much stronger language than the sentence above. You added that "To the Poles, in contrast to the Jews, the Soviet Union was a traditional enemy." Did "the Jews" all fail to see the Soviet Union as an enemy? Note how the sentence quoted above (the one already in the article) uses phrases like "significant percentage of Jews" and "many Jews" instead of "the Jews", which suggests "''all'' the Jews".

The article would be much better if it had more sources, but Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|sources]] says that "Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources." I think that the type of strong language that you used qualify as "exceptional claims" and they need reliable sources. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 20:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

:Please take a look at [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]:

::"The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is '''verifiability, not truth'''. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]]. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.

:I'm not questioning your grandfather's memory of what happened, but personal accounts aren't considered reliable sources for Wikipedia articles. Please read [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 20:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

==WP:NOR==

Please familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOR]] and [[WP:RS]] before making any changes. Regards. [[User:M0RD00R|M0RD00R]] 20:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

==Your recent edits==
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== [[WP:Verifiability]] and [[WP:Reliable sources]] ==

Hi. Thank you for your on-going valuable contributions to [[History of Jews in Poland]]. Please take a little time and read [[WP:Verifiability]] and [[WP:Reliable sources]], Wikipedia policies concerning references for articles.

Nobody is questioning the veracity of your contributions, but you should provide references for your additions — in the encyclopedia article, as opposed to the edit summary. Otherwise, your contributions may be considered [[WP:OR|original research]]: "unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories."

Thank you. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 22:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Why don't you refer to some books on the matter? I think that you will find, if my memory serve me, [[Anatol Lieven]]'s ''The Baltic Revolution,'' in the section on Lithuania. (The book mainly deals with society and politics post-1990, but it has significant background on the WWII years. [[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] 21:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, checking the amazon.com page for the book, I see that the book is not mainly re 1990+, but rather that it deals with life back to ancient times. Check out the book. I agree with [[User:Malik Shabazz]] and others: you really ought to abide by wikipedia protocols, such as verifiability and reliability. [[User:Dogru144|Dogru144]] 21:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== History of Jews ==

*''nationality'' or ethnicity?
*With all due respect to Warsaw, Kraków and Wilno Jews were important culturally and Łódź ones - economically.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] 11:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I have quoted a number of names and facts on the Talk page. I prefer to not edit the article myself, because of my poor English.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] 07:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== Jan T. Gross ==

Hi, regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jan_T._Gross&diff=186028474&oldid=185937155 your edit summary] where you write "Link attached", what link do you specifically have in mind ? --[[User:Lysy|Lysy]]<sup>[[User talk:Lysy|talk]]</sup> 08:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Jews ==

Hi Jacurek
Please do not engage in edit wars, based on what you suppose
Majority of Jews did not speak Polish back then
They were conscripts, and you can only speculate if they were willing to fight or not. Looking at their behavior during the war, I would have doubts, but I am leaving it to myself. Anyway, you are deleting information that is obvious, please desist. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 16:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:I have respect for everybody, and I am expecting the same from you. Please prove that Jews fought in 1939 because they wanted to, not because they were conscripts. I am waiting [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 17:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::One name out of 3 million is impressive and shows that Jews ''en masse'' volunteered for the Polish army, only to betray Poland after Sept 17, 1939. Anyway, let's not be kids, and find some impartial admin, who will solve our dispute. I will try to find one, OK I informed Wizardman. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 19:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:Alright, I went and protected the page, asking for the two of you to post regarding the matter on the talk page. If there's problems beyond that sentence as well let me know. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 19:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gross ==

Hi, as your English seems better than mine I would like to ask you for help with translating this into English: <br>
Książkę o Jedwabnym ("Sąsiedzi" opublikowaną po angielsku w 2101 r. i przetłumaczoną na polski) uważa Davies za "głęboko niesprawiedliwą" dla Polaków.

Postawiona w niej teza, że to Polacy dokonali masakry ludności żydowskiej, z jednej strony była pożytecznym wstrząsem dla Polaków, by o swojej przeszłości myśleli trochę głębiej, ale jako historia, książka jest nierzetelna. Takich zbrodni, jak ta w Jedwabnym było w Polsce ok. 10 tys., z czego Polacy brali udział w dwóch, lub trzech" - stwierdził.<br>
http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/swiat/1,34265,4854594.html <br>
Could you help me to make it readable for English-speaking people?<br>
Regards - I am available at my discussion page: [[Special:Contributions/84.201.223.19|84.201.223.19]] ([[User talk:84.201.223.19|talk]]) 06:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Nie jestem pewien czy opinia Davis'a jest tutaj konieczna. Podejrzewam tez ze inni bardzo szybko ja "zlikwiduja".--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 06:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

*Davies jest kimś bardziej wiarygodnym na en wiki niż np. Gontarczyk, Kurtyka itp. W artykule jest mowa o tym, że sąsiedzi wywołali burzliwą dyskusję, niech więc również będzie ref z głosem w tej dyskusji kogoś kto historią Polski zajmuje się profesjonalnie. [[Special:Contributions/84.201.223.19|84.201.223.19]] ([[User talk:84.201.223.19|talk]]) 06:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Moge sprobowac dodac to do NOTES jesli chcesz.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 06:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

*Dodałem jedno zdanie + link do wersji polskiej. [[Special:Contributions/84.201.223.19|84.201.223.19]] ([[User talk:84.201.223.19|talk]]) 07:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

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I know, we argued a little, but I do think you are a great contributor. Just think what life would be, if we all had same opinions about the world that surrounds us. Regards. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 03:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tymek. This is very nice of you.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 03:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

== Righteous of the nations: Absolute numbers / proportionate numbers ==

Jacurek
This is an encyclopedia allowing a balanced view based on what is verifiable. It is not a vehicle to either attack Poles or promote Poles. For that reason I have not deleted or amended(and have no reason to) the sections telling readers that that Poland had the highest number of awards or the sentence telling readers that Poles faced particularly severe punishments for helping jews. By the same token I don't expect you to delete legitimate changes that show a balanced view. Why would you be afraid of the facts? Do you have an agenda to promote Poles? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.110.31.129|81.110.31.129]] ([[User talk:81.110.31.129|talk]]) 12:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==History of Jews in Poland FAR==
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==You may be interested in==
The article on [[Bloody Sunday (1939)]] and the discussions on talk - since they [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABloody_Sunday_%281939%29&diff=202615292&oldid=202588380 resulted] in the recent edits you noticed on [[pogrom]] and such.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 21:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 21:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

==Blocked again==
It has become apparent that you are a single-purpose account who pushes a POV of "Jewish complicity in Christian Polish deaths" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207767745&oldid=207734755] and that you use socks and open proxies to add disruption. You were originally blocked for 48 hours for edit-warring under this username alone. Now that the extent of edit warring has become clear (9 reverts in 20 hours [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&offset=20080424072000&limit=25&action=history]) your block has been extended to 3 months. If you believe this block is unjustified you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest this block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below." P. S. Removing the block messages from the page won't help, you know. [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' 22:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC).


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Here are the reasons this account should not have been blocked: 1 - Administrator [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' has been given false information regarding disputed matter.
"Jewish complicity in Christian Polish deaths" was never a subject of the dispute which was added by user Irpen here [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207767745&oldid=207734755]] and as you can see this was never reverted
before or after the edition by me or anybody else. The dispute was between me and user [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] on the main reason why Jews left Poland after the war, which according to the information I acquired, Jews left Poland because of the Polish anti-Semitism escalated by participation of some Jews in Communist leadership and Communist Secret Service.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207731623&oldid=207729923]]
2 - My reverts were backed up by links I got the info from : [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207723072&oldid=207719709]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207719709&oldid=207708018]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207647484&oldid=207642458]] 3 - My second block request is from THE SAME person who requested the first block, user [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] who in my opinion takes disputes very personally and is pushing his POV by calling his friends to help in reverts with no references whatsoever. My attempts of discussions with him were ignored, ridiculed
(You barking at the wrong tree)[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacurek&diff=207783417&oldid=207741515]] and I was immediately threatened with block action.
Thank you.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 03:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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The user has been edit warring from the account and [[Special:Contributions/199.175.219.1|anonymous IP's]] (up to 9 reverts per 24 hours). The user is indeed an SPA devoted to pushing the info on "Jewish complicity in the suffering of Christian Poles".[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=199757222&oldid=199729262] See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Jacurek&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 his mainspace contributions].

The IP he used has been blocked twice as a proxy [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:199.175.219.1] and the current block is for 6 months. Jacurek, as a user, got only half of that term.

I suggest that if Jacurek comes back from the block he does some con-controversial editing and be placed on sockpuppetry parole with an indef ban for the next offense. --[[user:Irpen|Irpen]] 03:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)



Irpen, "Jewish complicity in the suffering of Christian Poles" was NEVER an issue of this dispute so please stop "barking", as your friend [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] would say in the same situation. You are trying to mislead the administrators into thinking that they are dealing with some kind of crazy anti-Semitic, nationalistic psycho "my friend" and I'm far from being one. Would anti-Semitic psycho be ever involved in a conversation like this one[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#.22who_were_conscripts_like_other_citizens_of_the_country.2C.22]] ? You obviously did not, or did not want to understand what my reverts were all about. I was disagreeing with Malik about the reasons Jews left Poland after the war and if Polish anti-Semitism was escalated by Jewish involvement in communism. All my reverts were backed by several sources ignored by him and his friends(you are one of them) whom Malik called to help revert my edits.
For you guys it is all personal and all about "Me".
Also Irpen, you don't really think that blocking somebody’s account "forever", sock puppetry parole etc. would stop a person from editing do you ?--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 06:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've never heard of Malik and he never called me in. I was editing this article for over a year (or even more perhaps.) Next, you forget to address the sockpuppetry issue. Why did you edit logged in/out and used an open proxy 199 IP to circumvent 3RR? No one is entitled to 9 reverts per 24 hours. I don't believe in preventing people from editing by blocks. But in exceptional circumstances of fierce revert warriors and open proxy users block may work to get the message through on what behavior is not allowed. --[[user:Irpen|Irpen]] 06:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


The other IP Proxy is shared at the place I visit daily. There is two other people who got involved into conversation after I have shared the issue with them that day. I know they did editing. I personally DID NOT log in and log out just to do the reverts. I may have been logged out on one or two occasions using that Proxy that day but if I was that was not intentional. That is all about that.
If you don't know Malik, fair enough, it just looked like that to me. Malik has some personal issues, looks like he always wants to win and to show others how important he is. I don’t think he was even interesting in hearing what I have to say and did not look at the links I have provided. My attempts of conversation with him were replied with "you are barking ...etc". I’m under impression that if for some reason something does not work for him he requests account block right away. Note that the first block of this account was also on his request. Also, Malik did four reverts that day but I guess rules do not apply to him. --[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 07:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed|1=Administrator [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' has been given false information regarding disputed matter. "Jewish complicity in Christian Polish deaths" was never a subject of the dispute which was added by user Irpen here [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207767745&oldid=207734755]] and as you can see this was never reverted before or after the edition by me or anybody else. The dispute was between me and user [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] on the main reason why Jews left Poland after the war, which according to the information I acquired, Jews left Poland because of the Polish anti-Semitism escalated by participation of some Jews in Communist leadership and Communist Secret Service.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207731623&oldid=207729923]] 2 - My reverts were backed up by links I got the info from : [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207723072&oldid=207719709]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207719709&oldid=207708018]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=207647484&oldid=207642458]] 3 - My second block request is from THE SAME person who requested the first block, user [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] who in my opinion takes disputes very personally and is pushing his POV by calling his friends to help in reverts with no references whatsoever. My attempts of discussions with him were ignored, ridiculed (You barking at the wrong tree)[[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacurek&diff=207783417&oldid=207741515]] and I was immediately threatened with block action. The other IP Proxy is shared at the place I visit daily. There is two other people who got involved into conversation after I have shared the issue with them that day. I know they did editing. I personally DID NOT log in and log out just to do the reverts. I may have been logged out on one or two occasions using that Proxy that day but if I was that was not intentional. Also, CVC42 is actually an account of my friend from work (TRUE, not just an exuce) who got involved into Wikipiedia project after I was discussing with her my concerns and my block. I must admit that in some of the CVC42 edits I was personaly involed as well (never used her account alone) but the account is not mine. Should you have any questions please ask. Thanks|decline=It is highly suspicious that this account, which was already blocked a month ago, and had no acivity during the block, should come to request an unblock on the day that a second account, from the same IP, was blocked. Such behavior would seem to indicate that they either you are [[User:Cvc42]], or if they are truly a second person, they came to edit solely at your behest and to continue the same edit wars and problems you were blocked for originally. It should be noted that [[WP:MEATPUPPET|Wikipedia rules treat both situations as equally blockable]] and does not distinguish between one person using two accounts, or two people acting together to dodge the block of the first person. I quote the rules "''' A new user who engages in the same behavior as another user in the same context, and who appears to be editing Wikipedia solely for that purpose, shall be subject to the remedies applied to the user whose behavior they are joining'''" Good day. — [[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 20:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)}}

==Porada==
Nie edit warruj, nie uzywaj pacynek (socks). Ww. napisano jak mozna sie odwolac jesli oskarzono cie nieslusznie.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 22:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


==How to request unblocking==
Did you not notice the instructions about requesting an unblock? Please just add <nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki> at the bottom of the page, just as it appears on the page here, curly brackets and all, but with the phrase "''your reason here''" replaced by the actual reason why you think you should be unblocked. This template will expand to a request, and will put the page in the category [[:Category:Requests for unblock|Requests for unblock]], which will bring a neutral admin here to review the block. I hope this is clear, I don't know how to put it any better. And Irpen, please leave the user alone; consider that he is confined to this page. Coming here to criticize him may be experienced as taunting. [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' 22:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC).


Thanks, --[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 06:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==Block extensions==
For usage of sockpuppetry: see [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jacurek]] for details.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 02:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

O.K. Thanks. I need a break anyway ...
I also notified a person who made the edits in my defense that
it was against Wiki policy, so this should not happen again.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 23:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

Hi Jacurek and welcome back. Hope all is good with you. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 05:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

:Welcome back. Please be very careful and don't repeat the mistakes that led to your last ban. I am afraid that the next one, given community's exhausted patience, would be a permban :( --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 18:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, lesson learned.
Thanks for your advices.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 21:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Userpage ==
You may want to create a userpage, with [[WP:BABEL]] information, for example.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 18:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

O.K. I will. Thanks.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 19:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Jews and the Polish government ==
I removed it because it was distorted out of all proportions by a certain user. I'd support restoring it, with the full text of his note that you cited on my talk page, his own words are much clearer than the distortions I removed.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 00:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Moving quote ==
What about moving [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&curid=416798&diff=253090737&oldid=253084041 this] to Rescue article? It seems rather fitting somewhere in the middle.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 00:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

== World War II article ==

Hi, could you please use edit summaries to explain your changes to this article. Also, changes such as changing the amount of support the Allies provided Poland other than the Saar Offensive from 'little' to 'no' should be discussed on the talk page first. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 10:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pictures ==
Moving pictures is easy - just copy and paste them from another article. [[Wikipedia:Picture tutorial]] and [[WP:IMAGE]] are helpful resources.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 20:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, "Picture tutoial" will definitely help.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 22:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

:Re: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust&diff=255737375&oldid=255729566] - probably because you add the Table of Content template (<nowiki>{{TOCright}}</nowiki>) at the end? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 17:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


Oh, ya...thanks Piotrus.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 17:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:Please don't force image sizes - [[MOS:IMAGES]] states that thumbnailed photos should be left at their default size. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 10:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

O.K. thanks Nick.--[[User:Jacurek|Jacurek]] ([[User talk:Jacurek#top|talk]]) 16:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Walesa ==

Good job! I have been planning to do it myself, but my time is so hopelessly limited these days. Greetings. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 05:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== town names ==

I saw that in several articles replaced German town names with Polish ones. There has been a lot of discussion which form of the names are to apply. The guideline that has been worked out can be read here: {{Gdansk-Vote-Notice}}
Please have a look at your edits again, and for the time before the towns became Polish, please re-insert the German name and give the Polish name in brackets. Thank you. [[User:Skäpperöd|Skäpperöd]] ([[User talk:Skäpperöd|talk]]) 09:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Merry XMAS ==
[[Image:Piotrus XMAS Tree 2008 05.JPG|thumb|right|150px|Merry XMAS from [[User:Piotrus]]. 12:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)]]

== Regarding Bundesarchive captions ==

I want to inform you that:
*The Bundesarchive mentions clearly that they copy the text descriptions from original archive names and captions. In some cases they use their own version, but they also rely on suggestions. This means that

* A:All photos need to be judged case by case.Caption given by Bundesarchive can be copy of the original archive caption as noted in their explanation.

* B:Bundesarchive pictures can have non-reliable captions.

* C: They are hardly dedicated scholary project to show captions as evidence in support of contested claims.

From Bundesarchive page: http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/index.php?barch_item=en_help#a15 ''The Federal Archive describes pictures - where available - with the original text. If no original text is available, the picture is described by the archivists of the Federal Archive. In view of the large number of pictures, of course it can come to discrepancies in individual cases. We are always grateful for notes and additions because of this.''

I hope this will help you.
--[[User:Molobo|Molobo]] ([[User talk:Molobo|talk]]) 14:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Roman Polanski ==

Wikipedia pages are not designed to chart every single event or occupation a person has ever had, and in this you are correct. They are however supposed to chronicle those things for wish a person is most known . Roman Polanski is well known for being a rapist. There is even a movie about this. There are many other famous people who are also very well know not just for there careers but also for events in their personal lives. One is [[OJ Simpson]]. He is very well known for his crimes and this is listed in the very first sentence of his page as well. Would you change that? Will this be changed 30 years from now when people have decided to forget about how much they talk about it now? Polanski is no deferent in that his crime is something he is well known for having done. He is an important and pivitol aspect of his character that still has an influence on his life and the lives of others. I am sure that at some point in his life he held a job other than those listed in the first sentence of his page, or even anywhere on his page, but those things are not as important or relevant to him and how he is known. Being a rapist however, is very relevant to how he is known, and as such should be included in those things for which he is most recognized. I suggest that if you feel this moment is not relevant to the fact that he does not return to the states, was also relevant to the fact that he did not even accept his academy award, and that if he does return to the states he will be arrested then perhaps you do not understand the impact that such an event has on a life. Rape is an event that never leaves a person. They will live with that event for the rest of their lives. It becomes an integral part of who they are and everything they do, regardless of being the rapist or the person being raped. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.122.108.47|98.122.108.47]] ([[User talk:98.122.108.47|talk]]) 13:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

You can also look at pages for other famous criminals such as [[Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer]], who's professions are not even listed in the first sentence of their articles.

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