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==Removal of Okinawa from list of colonies==
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I removed [[Okinawa]] from the list of former U.S. colonies recited in the article, because as far as I can discern no one ever intended Okinawa to become part of the national territory of the United States. That territory is occupied by a military of a particular country, does not itself cause the occupied territory to be a "colony;" rather, at least some intention to make the occupied territory a part of the occupying country (or at least an intention ''never'' to relinquish control of the occupied territory) should be present in order for the term "colony" to properly apply.
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== Gone too far ==
Thus even [[Gibraltar]] might be termed a colony, or even [[Holstein]] in Germany (a stretch perhaps) because these territories (which were formerly under the administration of a foreign sovereign) are now either under permanent occupation or integrated into the national territory of the occupier, but I've seen no evidence that the U.S. ever planned to make Okinawa a U.S. territory or possession (or even to occupy it forever).
--[[User:Ryanaxp|Ryanaxp]] 22:39, May 6, 2005 (UTC)


The American Imperialism page has actually gone too far in one direction. Whilst this talk page was initially created to speak regarding the softness of the article regarding the topic, the entire article has been revamped in the opposite direction. Thus, it is still not a neutral article. In most other professional and encyclopedic versions of articles I have read on Wikipedia, historians are cited occasionally to give a point of view, but in this article it is so cluttered with negative historical views of America's foreign policy, you miss out on the actual informative things. A standard middle school textbook does a better job than the current article, which desperately needs to be fixed. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:99.7.66.150|99.7.66.150]] ([[User talk:99.7.66.150#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/99.7.66.150|contribs]]) 22:41, November 26, 2016 (UTC)</small>


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==Iraq==
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Shouldn't the list of former colonies include Iraq?


<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:WGST320|WGST320]] ([[User talk:WGST320|talk]]) 01:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)</span>
:Iraq was never officialy a colony. And besides it is not a former one ;-)
:[[User:Turrican|Turrican]]


== is nayirah-al-sabah an example of American Imperialism? ==
==Dispute of neutrality==


yes no, and does it receive enough attention (WP:UNDUE ig) to have a mention in this article? [[Special:Contributions/98.59.80.64|98.59.80.64]] ([[User talk:98.59.80.64|talk]]) 05:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
I hereby dispute the neutrality of this article. While the author mentions that
"America's military presence by itself is breathtaking and influential", I as an uninformed Reader would believe that the term is only used by some freightened people who do not want the US to bring Peace just because they prefer some undefinable form of diversity. Look how much the US has messed with the interior politcs of "Former" Colonies like Cuba or the Dominican Republic. There is a difference between calling a state independent and being independent - the current example is the recent "indepence" of Iraq.


== Expansion of timeline ==
I also believe that the millions of live lost because of american wars of agression and because they supported questionable regimes, for example in order to support the financial goals of US Companies ( United Fruit) should be mentioned in this article.


The timeline currently goes only up to the USA in Korea and Vietnam. Needs a massive edit to add everything after that, such as:
[[User:Turrican|Turrican]] 22:07, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
:So, go ahead and do it. Remember: [[Wikipedia:Be Bold in Editing]]. --[[User:Ryanaxp|Ryanaxp]] 22:39, May 6, 2005 (UTC)


Iraq War, Afghanistan, Operation Condor, Grenada, Indonesia and US support of the coup there (Jakarta Method) among many others. [[User:Genabab|Genabab]] ([[User talk:Genabab|talk]]) 21:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


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<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:ACHorwitz|ACHorwitz]] ([[User talk:ACHorwitz|talk]]) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</span>
Someone wrote: "Most of America's former colonies have since become independent countries, states of the American union, or self-governing [[commonwealth]]s"


== 1800s American expansion through artistic expression ==
Ahem. While this is true, it is still false. Most of these (notably the Philippines) didnt get to be "independent countries" by the simple tutorship of America. Nonsense -- read up on the Phillipine-American war, Cuba.-[[User:Stevertigo|<strong>&#25140;&#30505sv</Strong>]]


I think that adding a section on how public opinion manifested itself in artistic expression with relation to American expansion would be beneficial in exploring responses and gauging the consensus at the time concerning American pursuits for territory. Looking into how C19th art was used to rally support and criticize US expansion will help conceptualize such a multifaceted period of time [[User:Maisiesucks|Maisiesucks]] ([[User talk:Maisiesucks|talk]]) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It never said "'''thanks to America''' most of these former colonies have since become..."

[[user:J.J.]]

''I as an uninformed Reader would believe that the term is only used by some freightened people who do not want the US to bring Peace just because they prefer some undefinable form of diversity''.
Sure, sure, the USA is the sheriff of the world, bringers of light and paladines of all that is just and good. Who wouldnt want them to bring peace and salvation to your country? [[User:LtDoc|LtDoc]] 17:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

==Meaning of paragraph?==

What exactly does this passage mean:

"Often by exporting America's self popularized political system to a conquered territory with false promises of self-government, only in exchange for America's military occupation and total control of its natural resources. Such can be seen where America's post Cold War military involvements are primarily focused on mineral rich regions of the world."

I think I understand the gist, but its wording is a little confusing. [[user:J.J.]]

''Today, what many consider to be the "American Empire" does not fit historical definitions of imperialism and colonialism, but the United States influence takes on different and '''discrete''' forms.''

Did you mean discreet as in secretive? Discrete also would make sense because of the modular, sequential nature of US intervention.

==Further dispute of neutrality==
I also dispute the neutrality of this article. Its thesis is that the United States is in actuality or effect, or acts like, an empire. It then proceeds to offer support for this argument. While I would not argue with most of the points made here, I don't think that this sort of polemics has a place in an encyclopedia.

== Name, Split ==

If this article is to be about a political and rhetorical view of the United States and not about some actual entity (the United States territory outside of the 50 states), then the article title needs some kind of qualification. In that case, information from this article about American imperial territory should be removed to some other article. -[[User:Acjelen|Acjelen]] 18:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I would think this article should be about American imperialism and how they incorporated their empire directly into their main territories - Josquius

:How that would be different from the article [[History of United States imperialism]]? --[[User:Kevin Myers|Kevin Myers]] 13:58, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Since the half of this article about actual extra-state territories is duplicating the article [[History of United States imperialism]], that half should be merged there. The article will need a clear qualifier to its title and a good see reference at the top. -[[User:Acjelen|Acjelen]] 16:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

== This Is A Joke ==

This is totally politically charged, anti-American stuff as usual. In order to be imperialist, you would need an imperial family, or some sort of oligarchy to use that qualifier. From its inception, it has been a democracy. Not some kingdom with expansionist aims.

The United States of America is the only country in the history of the world to give back territory which it won in war, back to the people living there (i.e., Germany, Japan, Iraq, etc.)

This sucks.

:Are you kidding, plenty of countries have given back territories they conquered in wars. And besides, how does the fact that it's a democracy mean it could never have been expansionist?

::Also, saying that we cant qualify the US as imperialistic because it hasnt an imperial family just shows how ignorant of the subject the user is.[[User:LtDoc|LtDoc]] 22:34, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

:::"Imperialistic" and actually being an empire are two very different things. Where's our imperator? The United States is, and always has been, a republic. Senatus Populusque Americanus. [[User:GreatGatsby|GreatGatsby]] 05:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Being a republic does not automatically exclude a nation-state from being an empire. Great Britain adopted a form of democracy certainly in 1832, and depending on personal opinion its roots go as far back as the Magna Carta. However, this did not prevent them from conquering and holding the British Empire.
Your first point is a semantic difference; usually, having intentions toward empire will lead to becoming one, in name or not.

Also, for the top comment: It is a regular occurance for countries to return conquered territory, for a variety of reasons. For example, in the Franco-Prussian War the Prussian armies conquered most of northern France, but returned it in 1873 after reparations were made. The only territory they kept was Alcase-Lorraine. [[User:Tommyknockers|Tommyknockers]] 15:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:Did you not get the reference I was making in the last part of my post? [[User:GreatGatsby|GreatGatsby]] 01:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, no. Please enlighten me. [[User:Tommyknockers|Tommyknockers]] 12:33 20 October 2005 (UTC)
:Please, indent when you respond to something. And my Latin phrase was in reference to the Roman Republic, whose full name was Senatus Populusque Romanus (The Senate and the People of Rome). [[User:GreatGatsby|GreatGatsby]] 02:19, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::An empire doesn't need a emperor though. Infact the Roman Republic and America would fit most of these definitions. [http://www.answers.com/empire&r=67] [[User:12.220.47.145|12.220.47.145]] 20:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

::Duly noted and applied. However, while thanks are duly awarded from this novice of Wikipedia, I would appreciate it if you addressed the statement rather than the means of delivery. [[User:Tommyknockers|Tommyknockers]] 11:15 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== Merged ==

So I merged some material from this page to the article [[History of United States imperialism]] and removed other details that were duplicated there. I also reworded the see reference at the top. In these ways, this article will be more focused on its subject of "American Empire" as a rhetorical device. -[[User:Acjelen|Acjelen]] 03:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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Gone too far

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The American Imperialism page has actually gone too far in one direction. Whilst this talk page was initially created to speak regarding the softness of the article regarding the topic, the entire article has been revamped in the opposite direction. Thus, it is still not a neutral article. In most other professional and encyclopedic versions of articles I have read on Wikipedia, historians are cited occasionally to give a point of view, but in this article it is so cluttered with negative historical views of America's foreign policy, you miss out on the actual informative things. A standard middle school textbook does a better job than the current article, which desperately needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.7.66.150 (talk • contribs) 22:41, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Technoculture 320-01

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): WGST320 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: JMelCas03.

— Assignment last updated by WGST320 (talk) 01:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

is nayirah-al-sabah an example of American Imperialism?

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yes no, and does it receive enough attention (WP:UNDUE ig) to have a mention in this article? 98.59.80.64 (talk) 05:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of timeline

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The timeline currently goes only up to the USA in Korea and Vietnam. Needs a massive edit to add everything after that, such as:

Iraq War, Afghanistan, Operation Condor, Grenada, Indonesia and US support of the coup there (Jakarta Method) among many others. Genabab (talk) 21:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Technoculture 320-01

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): WGST320 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Alexa.aa12.

— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1800s American expansion through artistic expression

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I think that adding a section on how public opinion manifested itself in artistic expression with relation to American expansion would be beneficial in exploring responses and gauging the consensus at the time concerning American pursuits for territory. Looking into how C19th art was used to rally support and criticize US expansion will help conceptualize such a multifaceted period of time Maisiesucks (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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