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Wrong Title

As the JDF is the Jamaica Defence Force not the Jamaican Defence Force perhaps we should move this article to the correct title ? MilborneOne 19:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I have moved the article to 'Jamaica Defence Force'. Lordvaluemart 23:57, 05 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How Big?

How many men in the JDF? This article should say. 80.178.87.27 20:09, 30 January 200of Jamaica does not publish this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edison9114 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JDF(jm) has 7500 estimated enlisted and 2500 reserves. 173.225.243.145 (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Combat aircraft

Are there any fighter/bomber jets in the JDF? It seems odd that a country like Jamaica would not have a form of fighter, bomber, or fighter/bomber aircraft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.70.254 (talk) 09:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, and to my knowledge they never have. They don't operate any jet aircraft of any kind, though there are turbine-powered aircraft (turboprops and helicopters) in service. As to why not, I can guess several related reasons, but I really don't know. - BillCJ (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DA42 ng can be fit with certain kinds of gpmg.

It is a utility Aircraft.

Dont know if jdf(jm)is able

to. 173.225.243.145 (talk) 01:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special Forces

Does the JDF as a Special Forces Unit? OR capable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.207.114.20 (talk) 02:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to [1] the CTOG was trained by Canadians. According to [2] they were advised during the CanJet 918 hijacking by the FBI 76.66.196.218 (talk) 16:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ferret scout vehicle?

I found some references pointing to the fact that the Jamaican military uses the Ferret. However most sources don't mention this. Therefore I didn't add it to the equipment table. Could anyone confirm this? (Wilhelm Klave (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2009

They stop using them Many years ago (UTC))

Edit request from LilyRichman, 8 September 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I have noticed that the Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaican Defence Force has been left out and I wanted to suggest that it be added within the Leadership. The present Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaican Defence Force is Queen Elizabeth II with Governor-General Patrick Allen as her representative.

LilyRichman (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reference? Chzz ► 01:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jamaica's CTOG

Is there any pics, and number in size of the Units? and the name of the Group other than CTOG  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.151.244 (talk) 18:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JDF

Are the Toyota Land Cruisers really armoured? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.43.222 (talk) 04:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I am under the impression that the JDF has a new site and url → https://www.jdfweb.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mluiesp (talk • contribs) 11:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

JDF Ships number

Two ships from the county class, Cornwall and Surrey have been purchased by Nicaragua. while HMJS Nanny of the Marrons is a ship of the Damen FCS 5009 Patrol type Upzbrd (talk) 14:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Defence force flag

@Skjoldbro: and @FOX 52: I've uploaded and added the new JDF flag based off of photos at the following links [3], [4] -I have provided citations for the old flag. Cdjp1 (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cdjp1: The image(s) you provided are unfortunately not a reliable source, further you've created flags that may lack accuracy, as the photos can't show proper dimensions / or there intended use. - FOX 52 (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FOX 52: are photos published on the JDF official website reliable enough? [5] - Cdjp1 (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cdjp1: - No you need to find something that is specific to the JDF official flag - those images still don't provide any accurate detail on the dimensions / or it's use. - FOX 52 (talk) 02:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights abuses

Why is there no mention of human rights abuses such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_massacre ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.46.1 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cite error

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The reference "JDF-Aircraft" is no longer in use but still appears in the reflist, causing a cite error.
The reference should be commented out or removed.
Thanks ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 11:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I'm now autoconfirmed I've made the change. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bell 505 aircraft

Hello, After doing some research, I found out that the Bell 505's are also used for utility/SAR, 4 of them are used for training at the CMA (Caribbean Military Academy) in Jamaica, while the other 2 are used by the air force. Can this be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dario DeCasseres (talk • contribs) 13:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source?Maria Gemmi (talk) 14:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes: https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/bell-505-delivery-to-jamaica-defence-force — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dario DeCasseres (talk • contribs) 14:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I placed a note in the table.Maria Gemmi (talk) 12:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok great👍 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dario DeCasseres (talk • contribs) 13:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JDF Coast Guard New Ships and renaming

The ships HMJS Cornwall and HMJS Middlesex have been renamed to HMJS Samuel Sharpe and HMJS George William Gordon. The Coast guard also recently acquired a new ships which was named the HMJS Alexander Bustamante (Type: Damen Stan Patrol 4207). Also, all the County Class ships have been changed to Honour Class. Sources: https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/11/22/damen-delivers-2nd-patrol-boat-to-jamaican-defence-force/ https://jis.gov.jm/hmjs-alexander-bustamante-added-to-jdfs-fleet/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dario DeCasseres (talk • contribs) 01:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HMJS Marcus Garvey was recently

Acquired by jdf.Honor Class. 173.225.243.145 (talk) 02:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JDF Has 3.5 inch Rocket Launcher ,Jamaica-Gleaner.com Published May 10th 2024

Maybe M20 Bazooka.

Classics

Photo Flashback: Jamaica Regiment demonstrates firepower of modern weapons

Published:Friday | May 10, 2024 | 8:00 AM

A 3.5 inch rocket launcher and anti-tank weapon is brought into action by L/Cpl Vernel Walford.

Cpl Carl Baker, heavyweight boxing champion of Jamaica, fires a Bren light machine gun. 173.225.243.145 (talk) 01:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Wrong Title ==
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 == How Big?==
-How many men in the JDF?  This article should say. [[User:80.178.87.27|80.178.87.27]] 20:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
+How many men in the JDF?  This article should say. [[User:80.178.87.27|80.178.87.27]] 20:09, 30 January 200of Jamaica does not publish this information.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Edison9114|Edison9114]] ([[User talk:Edison9114|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Edison9114|contribs]]) 03:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:JDF(jm) has 7500 estimated enlisted and 2500 reserves. [[Special:Contributions/173.225.243.145|173.225.243.145]] ([[User talk:173.225.243.145|talk]]) 02:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
-The Government of Jamaica does not publish this information.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Edison9114|Edison9114]] ([[User talk:Edison9114|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Edison9114|contribs]]) 03:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 ==Combat aircraft==
 Are there any fighter/bomber jets in the JDF? It seems odd that a country like Jamaica would not have a form of fighter, bomber, or fighter/bomber aircraft.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.205.70.254|68.205.70.254]] ([[User talk:68.205.70.254|talk]]) 09:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:No, and to my knowledge they never have. THey don't operate any jet aircraft of any kind, though there are turbine-powered aircraft (turboprops and helicopters) in service. As to why not, I can guess several related reasons, but I really don't know. - [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] ([[User talk:BillCJ|talk]]) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
+:No, and to my knowledge they never have. They don't operate any jet aircraft of any kind, though there are turbine-powered aircraft (turboprops and helicopters) in service. As to why not, I can guess several related reasons, but I really don't know. - [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] ([[User talk:BillCJ|talk]]) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
+::DA42 ng can be fit with certain kinds of gpmg.
+::It is a utility Aircraft.
+::Dont know if jdf(jm)is able
+::to. [[Special:Contributions/173.225.243.145|173.225.243.145]] ([[User talk:173.225.243.145|talk]]) 01:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
 == Special Forces ==
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 :According to [http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Petawawa+elite+fighters+helped+train+Jamaican+assault+team/1516459/story.html] the CTOG was trained by Canadians. According to [http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/04/20/jamaica.security/index.html?iref=newssearch] they were advised during the [[CanJet 918]] hijacking by the FBI [[Special:Contributions/76.66.196.218|76.66.196.218]] ([[User talk:76.66.196.218|talk]]) 16:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
+== Ferret scout vehicle? ==
+I found some references pointing to the fact that the Jamaican military uses the Ferret. However most sources don't mention this. Therefore I didn't add it to the equipment table. Could anyone confirm this?
+([[User:Wilhelm Klave|Wilhelm Klave]] ([[User talk:Wilhelm Klave|talk]]) 13:42, 3 September 2009
+They stop using them Many years ago
+(UTC))
+== Edit request from LilyRichman, 8 September 2011 ==
+{{tn|edit semi-protected|answered=no}}
+<!-- Begin request -->
+I have noticed that the Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaican Defence Force has been left out and I wanted to suggest that it be added within the Leadership. The present Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaican Defence Force is Queen Elizabeth II with Governor-General Patrick Allen as her representative.
+<!-- End request -->
+[[User:LilyRichman|LilyRichman]] ([[User talk:LilyRichman|talk]]) 14:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
+:[[WP:RS|Reference]]? <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
+== Jamaica's CTOG ==
+ Is there any pics, and number in size of the Units? and the name of the Group other than CTOG  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.167.151.244|75.167.151.244]] ([[User talk:75.167.151.244|talk]]) 18:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== JDF ==
+Are the Toyota Land Cruisers really armoured?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/63.155.43.222|63.155.43.222]] ([[User talk:63.155.43.222|talk]]) 04:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== External links modified ==
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
+I have just added archive links to {{plural:5|one external link|5 external links}} on [[Jamaica Defence Force]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=704491314 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx|nobots|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090705164507/http://www.jamaicaobserver.com:80/news/html/20090702T020000-0500_154599_OBS___JDF_SOLDIERS_INJURED_IN_HELICOPTER_CRASH.asp to http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20090702T020000-0500_154599_OBS___JDF_SOLDIERS_INJURED_IN_HELICOPTER_CRASH.asp
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060915041014/http://regiments.org:80/biography/defchiefs/jmCinC.htm to http://www.regiments.org/biography/defchiefs/jmCinC.htm
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+== To add ==
+I am under the impression that the JDF has a new site and url → https://www.jdfweb.com/  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mluiesp|Mluiesp]] ([[User talk:Mluiesp#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mluiesp|contribs]]) 11:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== JDF Ships number ==
+Two ships from the county class, Cornwall and Surrey have been purchased by Nicaragua.  while HMJS Nanny of the Marrons is a ship of the Damen FCS 5009 Patrol type [[User:Upzbrd|Upzbrd]] ([[User talk:Upzbrd|talk]]) 14:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
+==Defence force flag==
+{{ping|Skjoldbro}} and {{ping|FOX 52}} I've uploaded and added the new JDF flag based off of photos at the following links
+[https://twitter.com/FaeEllington/status/1000029775023542273?s=20], [https://twitter.com/JDFSoldier/status/1278709909450887168?s=20] -I have provided citations for the old flag.
+[[User:Cdjp1|Cdjp1]] ([[User talk:Cdjp1|talk]]) 15:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
+:{{ping|Cdjp1}} The image(s) you provided are unfortunately not a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable source]], further you've created [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_flags_of_Jamaica flags] that may lack accuracy, as the photos can't show proper dimensions / or there intended use. - [[User:FOX 52|FOX 52]] ([[User talk:FOX 52|talk]]) 19:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
+::{{ping|FOX 52}} are photos published on the JDF official website reliable enough? [https://www.jdfweb.com/jamaica-defence-force-promotes-senior-officers/]  - [[User:Cdjp1|Cdjp1]] ([[User talk:Cdjp1|talk]]) 23:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
+:::{{ping|Cdjp1}} - No you need to find something that is specific to the JDF official flag - those images still don't provide any accurate detail on the dimensions / or it's use. - [[User:FOX 52|FOX 52]] ([[User talk:FOX 52|talk]]) 02:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
+== Human rights abuses  ==
+Why is there '''no''' mention of human rights abuses such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_massacre ?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.22.46.1|92.22.46.1]] ([[User talk:92.22.46.1#top|talk]]) 21:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Cite error ==
+{{edit semi-protected|Jamaica Defence Force|answered=yes}}
+The reference ''"JDF-Aircraft"'' is no longer in use but still appears in the reflist, causing a cite error.<br/> The reference should be commented out or removed.<br/>Thanks [[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]] ([[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|talk]]) 11:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
+:As I'm now autoconfirmed I've made the change. [[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]] ([[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|talk]]) 15:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
+== Bell 505 aircraft ==
+Hello,
+After doing some research, I found out that the Bell 505's are also used for utility/SAR, 4 of them are used for training at the CMA (Caribbean Military Academy) in Jamaica, while the other 2 are used by the air force. Can this be changed?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dario DeCasseres|Dario DeCasseres]] ([[User talk:Dario DeCasseres#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dario DeCasseres|contribs]]) 13:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Do you have a source?[[User:Maria Gemmi|Maria Gemmi]] ([[User talk:Maria Gemmi|talk]]) 14:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
+Yes:
+https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/bell-505-delivery-to-jamaica-defence-force  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dario DeCasseres|Dario DeCasseres]] ([[User talk:Dario DeCasseres#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dario DeCasseres|contribs]]) 14:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:I placed a note in the table.[[User:Maria Gemmi|Maria Gemmi]] ([[User talk:Maria Gemmi|talk]]) 12:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
+Ok great👍  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dario DeCasseres|Dario DeCasseres]] ([[User talk:Dario DeCasseres#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dario DeCasseres|contribs]]) 13:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== JDF Coast Guard New Ships and renaming ==
+The ships HMJS Cornwall and HMJS Middlesex have been renamed to HMJS Samuel Sharpe and HMJS George William Gordon. The Coast guard also recently acquired a new ships which was named the HMJS Alexander Bustamante (Type: Damen Stan Patrol 4207). Also, all the County Class ships have been changed to Honour Class.
+Sources:
+https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/11/22/damen-delivers-2nd-patrol-boat-to-jamaican-defence-force/
+https://jis.gov.jm/hmjs-alexander-bustamante-added-to-jdfs-fleet/  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dario DeCasseres|Dario DeCasseres]] ([[User talk:Dario DeCasseres#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dario DeCasseres|contribs]]) 01:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:HMJS Marcus Garvey was recently
+:Acquired by jdf.Honor Class. [[Special:Contributions/173.225.243.145|173.225.243.145]] ([[User talk:173.225.243.145|talk]]) 02:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
+== JDF Has 3.5 inch Rocket Launcher ,Jamaica-Gleaner.com Published May 10th 2024 ==
+Maybe M20 Bazooka.
+ Classics
+Photo Flashback: Jamaica Regiment demonstrates firepower of modern weapons
+Published:Friday | May 10, 2024 | 8:00 AM
+A 3.5 inch rocket launcher and anti-tank weapon is brought into action by L/Cpl Vernel Walford.
+Cpl Carl Baker, heavyweight boxing champion of Jamaica, fires a Bren light machine gun. [[Special:Contributions/173.225.243.145|173.225.243.145]] ([[User talk:173.225.243.145|talk]]) 01:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)