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==Needed image==
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[[Major scale]] has a picture of the C major scale that I put in [[C major]]. Can anyone upload a similar picture of the G major scale to be added here?? [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] 00:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
[[Major scale]] has a picture of the C major scale that I put in [[C major]]. Can anyone upload a similar picture of the G major scale to be added here?? [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] 00:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
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I thought this song was in the '''Mixolydian mode''', which this list is not supposed to include. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought this song was in the '''Mixolydian mode''', which this list is not supposed to include. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

:No, it isn't in Mixolydian. The Okun edition of the Beatles' songs lists a number of pieces as being in Mixolydian simply because the Beatles used a dominant 7th chord in tonic position. But in true Mixolydian, the chord of the dominant should be minor, which it never, ever is in these songs. The 7th on the tonic chord is best regarded as an accidental. ([[User talk:Craig418|talk]]) 5:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.37.200.148|75.37.200.148]] ([[User talk:75.37.200.148|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


==Sources for Songs==
==Sources for Songs==
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The guitar's strings are tuned EADGBE, all of which appear in G Maj. Can someone with editing abilities fix where it says 3 can be played open? There's 3 open strings in an open G chord, but you could potentially use any open string. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.199.172.207|98.199.172.207]] ([[User talk:98.199.172.207|talk]]) 03:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The guitar's strings are tuned EADGBE, all of which appear in G Maj. Can someone with editing abilities fix where it says 3 can be played open? There's 3 open strings in an open G chord, but you could potentially use any open string. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.199.172.207|98.199.172.207]] ([[User talk:98.199.172.207|talk]]) 03:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "Even distribution" ==
The article says: "Of Domenico Scarlatti's 555 keyboard sonatas, G major is the home key for 69 (12.4%, about 50% more than the 8.3% one would expect in a even distribution)." May I ask (sarcastically) why anyone who knows anything about Western music would expect an even distribution? Everyone knows that some keys are more common than others, and that the choice of key is often influenced by the choice of instrumentation (e.g. music for brass is often written in flat keys because most brasses are transposing instruments in B-flat or E-flat, while guitar music, such as rock and country songs, is often written in the most convenient keys for guitar, such as A, D, and G). The way the text is written, it gives the impression that Scarlatti used G more often than most other composers, which may or may not be true but is not supported by the argument given. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.37.200.148|75.37.200.148]] ([[User talk:75.37.200.148|talk]]) 06:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:There is another questionable assumption at work also- that Scarlatti's exercises (now called sonatas- only some of them were provably so called by the composer) were mostly written for, or expected to be played on, keyboard instruments that did not use equal temperament. Problem 1: their most-often played versions are now all keyboard sonatas, but the consensus is increasingly (so far as I know) that many of them were works for duos, especially violin and keyboard. Problem 2: the time period in which many were composed was about that in which Bach was writing, and any strictures that apply to Scarlatti's music would apply, as you say, to his contemporaries. If they were expected to be played on meantone instruments there would be a lot fewer of Scarlatti's works in further away keys than there are (and those in nearer-to-C keys would tend to stay nearer-to-C than they do, for intonation reasons. Neither is true; they are rather wide-ranging works.) I think you're right, yes; if the statistical distribution is a bit different than that of later centuries (which is still always tilted toward C major/A minor and nearby keys, of course, at least only counting ''tonal'' works) then it's because the harmonic progressions, etc. of the Baroque aren't the same as that of later periods, not because of Domenico Scarlatti specifically... [[User:Schissel|Schissel]] | [[User_talk:Schissel|Sound the Note!]] 23:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== G Major? ==
Is a effect?Like on youtube BAMBI AND RONNO CHASE G MAJOR the bambi got black eyes and blue fur,and scripplly voice.--[[Special:Contributions/188.26.230.204|188.26.230.204]] ([[User talk:188.26.230.204|talk]]) 14:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)..

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Needed image

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Major scale has a picture of the C major scale that I put in C major. Can anyone upload a similar picture of the G major scale to be added here?? Georgia guy 00:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note: when uploading the scale, is it better to put in the key signature or add the sharp accidentals?? Georgia guy 01:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keyboard Fingering

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It would be a good idea to add the standard keyboard fingering for a two-octave G major scale.

G major is more than a scale.

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It is a key. A piece can be heard in the key of G major without using all the notes of the scale. Something fundamental to its definition is the priveledged place G has to the piece-- it almost always ends the piece, and it is the note that the leading tone leads to.

F#

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Does the F below G should also be put a # on it? or by default, it means yes? Jackzhp 22:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the key of G major, F is sharped, if that is what you are asking. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 04:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of contemporary music a little too long?

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By a little, I mean way too long. There is no reason for this many pieces; it is a crufty. If there are no objections, I'd actually like to remove it completely. There is no encyclopedic benefit to having such a list (how does knowing the key of pieces add to the article?), and in my experience, lists like this are very difficult to maintain (IPs will invariably add new pieces, even if you add a hidden HTML message). -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 04:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, shouldn't Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring be listed in the list of Well-Known Classical music?

Agreed that this list is mostly BS. Fans who realize, "OMG, my favorite song is in G" (or whatever key) sadly feel the need to make these pages less useful. Amber388 13:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

so elitist. nothing wrong with IPing, and it isn't like adding content makes an article less useful.

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Love Me Do

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I removed:

I thought this song was in the Mixolydian mode, which this list is not supposed to include. Georgia guy (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't in Mixolydian. The Okun edition of the Beatles' songs lists a number of pieces as being in Mixolydian simply because the Beatles used a dominant 7th chord in tonic position. But in true Mixolydian, the chord of the dominant should be minor, which it never, ever is in these songs. The 7th on the tonic chord is best regarded as an accidental. (talk) 5:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.200.148 (talk)

Sources for Songs

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Add these songs to the list if you can find sources for them:

Lyin' Eyes - The Eagles Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson Turning Japanese - The Vapors The Way It Is - Bruce Hornsby and the Range Yakety Yak - The Coasters 24.158.8.234 (talk) 18:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added Internet Use

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I added a section about the use of the term "In G major" on YouTube. Should this be moved, or not? BigUns!!!!!!! (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of the strings can be played open on a guitar

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The guitar's strings are tuned EADGBE, all of which appear in G Maj. Can someone with editing abilities fix where it says 3 can be played open? There's 3 open strings in an open G chord, but you could potentially use any open string. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.172.207 (talk) 03:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Even distribution"

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The article says: "Of Domenico Scarlatti's 555 keyboard sonatas, G major is the home key for 69 (12.4%, about 50% more than the 8.3% one would expect in a even distribution)." May I ask (sarcastically) why anyone who knows anything about Western music would expect an even distribution? Everyone knows that some keys are more common than others, and that the choice of key is often influenced by the choice of instrumentation (e.g. music for brass is often written in flat keys because most brasses are transposing instruments in B-flat or E-flat, while guitar music, such as rock and country songs, is often written in the most convenient keys for guitar, such as A, D, and G). The way the text is written, it gives the impression that Scarlatti used G more often than most other composers, which may or may not be true but is not supported by the argument given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.200.148 (talk) 06:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is another questionable assumption at work also- that Scarlatti's exercises (now called sonatas- only some of them were provably so called by the composer) were mostly written for, or expected to be played on, keyboard instruments that did not use equal temperament. Problem 1: their most-often played versions are now all keyboard sonatas, but the consensus is increasingly (so far as I know) that many of them were works for duos, especially violin and keyboard. Problem 2: the time period in which many were composed was about that in which Bach was writing, and any strictures that apply to Scarlatti's music would apply, as you say, to his contemporaries. If they were expected to be played on meantone instruments there would be a lot fewer of Scarlatti's works in further away keys than there are (and those in nearer-to-C keys would tend to stay nearer-to-C than they do, for intonation reasons. Neither is true; they are rather wide-ranging works.) I think you're right, yes; if the statistical distribution is a bit different than that of later centuries (which is still always tilted toward C major/A minor and nearby keys, of course, at least only counting tonal works) then it's because the harmonic progressions, etc. of the Baroque aren't the same as that of later periods, not because of Domenico Scarlatti specifically... Schissel | Sound the Note! 23:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

G Major?

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Is a effect?Like on youtube BAMBI AND RONNO CHASE G MAJOR the bambi got black eyes and blue fur,and scripplly voice.--188.26.230.204 (talk) 14:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)..[reply]

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