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== Jewish? ==

I heard somewhere that Guthrie was Jewish...can't find any sources, but could anyone clarify this for me? [[User:Wobblies|Wobblies]] ([[User talk:Wobblies|talk]]) 17:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No, his son [[Arlo Guthrie]] is.

: In the section "Jewish music" you'll find Guthrie was partially inspired by Jewish-American music in his travels to Brooklyn in the early 1940's. He felt oppressed peoples whether they are black, white, Jewish, Christian, Okies and Yankees, the words and music of the oppressed has a powerful message & sound to what they are promoting a sense of unity and brotherhood of all mankind. + [[Special:Contributions/71.102.2.206|71.102.2.206]] ([[User talk:71.102.2.206|talk]]) 06:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== More books ==

This article is so neat that I am loath to edit it in any way. There are a couple of relevant books which are not mentioned.
* "Woody Guthrie Art Works" by Nora Guthrie, Steven Brower, and Woody Guthrie (Rizzoli International Publications, 2005)
* "Hard Travelin': The Life and Legacy of Woody Guthrie" by Robert Santelli and Emily Davidson (Wesleyan University Press, 1999)
There are both in print, so some people might be inspired to buy them - if they are mentioned in the article.
[[User:Ogg|Ogg]] ([[User talk:Ogg|talk]]) 20:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for the suggestion. Let me do some research first. I think the Santelli book (I have it at home) is a compilation of lectures/speeches given during the 1996 event at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If so, I may try to incorporate that fact into the prose of the article. Will think about adding the other. There are quite a few books about Woody, it's difficult to decide which ones to include. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 15:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

::I added info about the Santelli book into the prose of the Tributes section. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 17:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

::The discography comes from that book (that you scanned), It should be added to the printed materials section. --[[User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]] ([[User talk:Dannygutters|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 16:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

== Tributes section ==

Should the Tributes section be broken out into it's own page like the festival, foundation and discography page? It's reaching the length and tangental scope where I think this should happen. --[[User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]] ([[User talk:Dannygutters|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 18:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:IMHO, no. :-) The Festival and Foundation are both organizations. And the Discography is a list. I just don't see the Tributes being a separate article. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 19:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


There should be something in here about [[Jonatha Brooke]] who published a tribute to Guthrie entitled "The Works" in 2008. This was, i think (according to Jonatha herself) recorded using lyrics from Guthrie's archives along with his daughter. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:We4get1918|We4get1918]] ([[User talk:We4get1918|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/We4get1918|contribs]]) 02:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Posthumous honors==
IMHO, the Grammy award info should still be listed under posthumous honors for Woody. It's his biggest honor yet. There's nothing wrong with it appearing in both the Woody bio article AND the Foundation article. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 19:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:I agree entirely, and would like to see it come back. There is room for it, as the article is neither overlong nor slow to load. Unless there are strenuous objections in the next few hours, calling for further discussion, would you do the honors of restoring the material? [[User:Hertz1888|Hertz1888]] ([[User talk:Hertz1888|talk]]) 20:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll restore it if there are no strenuous objections. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 21:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

::Since there have been no objections and it's been at least one day, I will restore now. I feel strongly that anyone reading the bio of Woody Guthrie should know about this Grammy Award. [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 14:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::You're right about the award, I think the grammy win should be mentioned but release specific info like book-length and taper are relevant to the release itself not Woody himself. I've taken a stab at editing it this way. Lets keep the more verbose details of the release on the discography and foundation page. I kind of see this page growing in the way the bob dylan page did, detailed information about a specific album should go on that albums page and biographical information should go here, is this a good idea? --[[User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Dannygutters|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 15:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

::::Probably. I guess time will tell, depending on if the article grows and to what degree. So far, so good. :-) [[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 01:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mermaid Ave Section ==

Hi, So I removed the Mermaid Avenue section. I think this is an important album for Woody, Wilco and the archives, but outside of the scope of this page to have a whole paragraph on it. We previously had a similar section to this but during the Featured Article review it was decided that to keep this article about woody himself and projects related to woody on their own pages for the sake of focus. The Mermaid Avenue album has it's own page which is pretty detailed, it is also mentioned in the [[Woody Guthrie Foundation]] article and the foundation section in this article. --[[:en:User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]]&nbsp;([[:en:User talk:Dannygutters|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[:en:Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Live Wire ==

Public radio coverage this AM of "Woody Guthrie - Live Wire", Exhibition or release based on wire-recorder tracks of him singing 1949 in a Jewish community center, maybe in Florida, recently turned over to archivists and with considerable effort transcribed to media that can actually be played in the present. Apparently quite a find; probably worth research and mention. <br>--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 16:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br>
:Yep, the album won a grammy in 2008 for best historical album, It should be mentioned in the honors section. Check out the article on the album itself too. [[the Live Wire]] --[[::User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Dannygutters|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]] ([[User talk:Dannygutters|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 16:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Peace Abbey Award==
I just called the Peace Abbey and verified the date of the Award (Sept. 26, 1992) since the date is not listed on their web site. The person I spoke to told me she would do her best to have the date added to their website so that it substantiates the statement (date) that I added to the article.[[User:Kmzundel|Kmzundel]] ([[User talk:Kmzundel|talk]]) 17:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Query accuracy of "Early Life" ==

Which states: "Eventually, Guthrie's father sent for his son to come to Texas where little would change for the now-aspiring musician. Guthrie, 18 years old..."
Guthrie told Lomax that, after his family home burnt down in one of the mentioned fires he was adopted by Sam White, and then by another family, before taking to the road in 1927 at the age of 17. After reviewing this recording I find not much other specific information (dates of events etc.) is given.
I beleive this recording is the same that refered to (second hand) in Ref. 9 "Guthrie's interview with Alan Lomax at the Library Of Congress Recording Sessions, as recorded in Cray, Ramblin Man, p. 28.". In any case the interview is with Woody aged 28 which should make it a ~1940 recording.
Is anyone able to clarify this apparent contradiction?
[[Special:Contributions/60.242.91.158|60.242.91.158]] ([[User talk:60.242.91.158|talk]]) 15:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/60.242.91.158|60.242.91.158]] ([[User talk:60.242.91.158|talk]]) 15:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::I think these ages are refrenced in Cray's Ramblin' Man p44, I have this book at home so I'll check the refrence, but I think the chronology goes that Charley left for texas after the guthrie home burnt down, guthrie eventually came to texas after him and married mary before he began his 'traveling' in the sense that traveling refers to his time moving westward with the migrants rather than the first time he went anywhere. --[[::User:Dannygutters|Dannygutters]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Dannygutters|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Dannygutters|contribs]]) 14:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
== Bot report : Found duplicate references ! ==
In [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?useskin=monobook&title=Woody_Guthrie&redirect=no&oldid=230294747 the last revision I edited], I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
* "cray197" :
** <nowiki>Cray, ''Ramblin Man''p.&nbsp;197</nowiki>
** <nowiki>Cray, ''Ramblin Man'', p.&nbsp;197</nowiki>
[[User:DumZiBoT|DumZiBoT]] ([[User talk:DumZiBoT|talk]]) 06:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Ok it's fixed, DumZiBot! [[User:Leevanjackson|LeeVJ]] ([[User talk:Leevanjackson|talk]]) 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quote box ==

At least on my browser, the text quoted in the first quote box is not currently visible. I looked at the underlying source, and there is nothing obviously wrong. The problem might be in the template. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Woody_Guthrie&diff=263096067&oldid=263095848 Fixed], even as I was remarking. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Moe Asch ==

"Though the song was written in 1940, it would be four years before it was recorded by [[Moses Asch]] in April 1944." I understand what this means, but only because I know who Asch was. The wording makes it sound as if Asch sang or otherwise performed on the recording. In fact, Guthrie performed, and Asch engineered, produced, and marketed the record. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:It is highly ambiguous. On the other hand, it should be easy to fix with proper rewording. Let me encourage you to [[WP:BB|be bold]] and proceed with that. [[User:Hertz1888|Hertz1888]] ([[User talk:Hertz1888|talk]]) 02:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Y'know, I'm just not in the mood. As I mention in the next section, I think there are some much larger problems with the article, but this article is not one I'm particularly inclined to take on. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Some surprising omissions ==


== Singer-songwriter and musician ==
Given that this is a featured article, there are some surprising omissions. There is no mention that he was quite a decent visual artist, graphic designer, and especially cartoonist, routinely illustrating his own writings; a rather good book of his artwork was published in 2005 by Rizzoli. Certainly people have made a career in visual art on less talent. There is no mention of [[talking blues]], which he played a major role in popularizing. And there is nothing here to indicate that there was a lot of humor in his songs, nor really much of anything about the manner in which he mixed traditional folk elements and original songwriting (little more than an allusion to the fact that he did so). On this last, I see only one reference to him appropriating a melody, and nothing about him reworking traditional lyrics (as, for example, when he turned the "Ballad of Jesse James" into a song about Jesus). - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:That's some omissions, but then FAC articles aren't finished, so can still be improved ;) have added 'best known' to intro to allow for his other talents, but you'r right, they should be included in the article.. [[User:Leevanjackson|LeeVJ]] ([[User talk:Leevanjackson|talk]]) 03:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


Isn't it redundant? Should be only "singer-songw" [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 06:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
== Needs a list of audio links! ==


:Yes. Fixed. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup style="color:#347C2C;">✔Tea time</sup>]]''' 09:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
How did this article make it to this point without a list of audio links? E.g.


== The top part of the article is broken ==
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE This Land is Your Land]<br>
Pretty self explanatory <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2600:8803:802:E400:5973:8093:F680:2ED|2600:8803:802:E400:5973:8093:F680:2ED]] ([[User talk:2600:8803:802:E400:5973:8093:F680:2ED#top|talk]]) 03:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDS00Pnhkqk Jesus Christ]<br>
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POQJUv_ebZo House of the Rising Sun]<br>
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKg54bvObQ Two Good Men]<br>
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpMOoZOMVlg Pretty Boy Floyd]


== Personal life ==
... well, I could go on - there are 1,280 hits on YouTube, but I might as well pause at this point for suggestions on the best way to structure the list. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 03:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Good points except for "Rising Sun," which Guthrie didn't write, nor is his performance of it an especially significant one. You'd want Leadbelly for that.[[User:Sensei48|Sensei48]] ([[User talk:Sensei48|talk]]) 03:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


The personal life section of the article appears to be missing but is included in the table of contents <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mariojack3|Mariojack3]] ([[User talk:Mariojack3#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mariojack3|contribs]]) 21:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: Far as I know (and ridiculous as it may sound), these recordings are still copyrighted and the Guthrie heirs protect their copyrights [http://copyfight.corante.com/archives/2004/07/27/woody_guthrie_on_copyright.php]. Which is a shame, since Guthrie once wrote
:Thanks for raising this. I'm not a technowikipedian but it looks like a queer (yes, I'm using that in the old sense of the word) bug. I've done a workaround. Some technical genius might be able to fix it and retain the quote box, too. [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz]] 00:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright # 154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin’ it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don’t give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that’s all we wanted to do.
... [[User:Phiwum|Phiwum]] ([[User talk:Phiwum|talk]]) 12:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


== American exceptionalism ==
:This copyright stuff is irrelevant. Legally it doesn't matter if a link is on the "Talk Page" or the "Article Page" ... or the history page for that matter... if you really think it's so offensive to link to the songs you'll have to "oversight" this discussion right out of existence. But I say that if a song has been viewed 253,000 times, and I discuss it on the Woody Guthrie page the day that it's featured, and I ''still'' can access it, then the odds are that whoever is hosting the thing on YouTube is doing so legally within the laws of whatever country they live in or by some permission or music fee or whatever. And I also say that making that judgment isn't my responsibility or Wikipedia's responsibility, because otherwise every single inline reference in Wikipedia has to be reviewed by a lawyer and we might as well close up shop now. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 19:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


To describe the song as a response to American Exceptionalism in "God Bless America" is an unfounded editorial opinion and not a provable fact. Recommend delete those words and substitute something more factual if desired. [[Special:Contributions/75.42.35.133|75.42.35.133]] ([[User talk:75.42.35.133|talk]]) 16:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
:: It's relevant because we have guidelines against linking this sort of thing. Please see [[Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking]]. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 05:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


:Wikipedia depends on reliable sources, not all of which are "provable facts" but can be informed perspectives by established individuals and institutions. In the case of the sentence in question, The Kennedy Center addresses the point here [https://www.kennedy-center.org/education/resources-for-educators/classroom-resources/media-and-interactives/media/music/story-behind-the-song/the-story-behind-the-song/this-land-is-your-land] and History.com here [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/guthrie-writes-this-land-is-your-land]. Dozens of other sources also identify the radically left basis for the song.
::: Looking at this guideline, I think that it is misguided, and was changed in 2007 without any clear consensus as indicated in the Talk archives. But even as worded, it does not prohibit the posting of these links. It says that the links are prohibited if '''''I know''''' that they are a copyright violation. But how the heck can they be a violation when they stay up for months and months and appear as the first few entries returned by any YouTube search that the owner would care to perform? If those things are illegal then after the first 250,000 hits somebody owns the great-great-grandsons of the guy who taped Woody Guthrie singing a bajillion dollars in damages, don't they? What I do know is that there must be plenty of countries where "Internet radio" can pay some nominal fee and deliver this content entirely legally, or where the copyright isn't interpreted to last quite so long, or something, even if I don't have the time or detective skills to figure out what the story is. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 20:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


:In addition, Guthries's original lyric includes three verses that were left out of performances by late 1950s-early 1960s performers like the Kingston Trio and Peter, Paul and Mary who helped revive the tune because the words were too specifically political:
:: YouTube has a very different policy on copyright violations than Wikipedia. YouTube's policy is to leave it up unless some rights holder complains. Our policy is to try never to cross the line at all; even for clear "fair use" of media we write an explicit justification. The fact that YouTube leaves something up doesn't mean the rights are clear at all, just that they haven't (or haven't yet) received a complaint. That's exactly why our guidelines discourage linking to YouTube.
<br>
:There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
:The sign was painted, it said private property;
:But on the back side it didn’t say nothing;
:That side was made for you and me.
<br>
:Nobody living can ever stop me,
:As I go walking that freedom highway;
:Nobody living can ever make me turn back
:This land was made for you and me.
<br>
:And the original last verse:
<br>
:In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
:By the Relief Office, I'd seen my people.
:As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
:Is this land made for you and me?


:It's always valid to question the accuracy of text on Wikipedia, understanding that as above both facts and qualified perspectives can be reliable sources.[[User:Sensei48|Sensei48]] ([[User talk:Sensei48|talk]]) 18:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
:: I personally find some of our guidelines too restrictive, and I've on occasion argued to loosen them (although this particular one I don't think I've ever concerned myself with: I figure anyone can do their own search in YouTube, and pretty much everyone knows it exists). But the place to fight this issue if you are so inclined is probably at the guideline level, not to say that a particular article should be an exception. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 18:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


:You're right. I went further than your suggestion and removed "God Bless America" from the lead paragraph, because that fact is much less important to the song "This Land Is Your Land", and much less important to Guthrie's biography. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 18:40, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
::: As I said before, I don't think this runs counter to that guideline anyway, because we don't "know" any such thing is a copyright problem... Wikipedia doesn't screen other links based on whether we think they adhere to Wikipedia policies, or copyright claims, etc. When we link to a newspaper, who knows whether they still have a valid subscription to the AP wire, or whether their reporters have plagiarized from a competitor? Some people just seem to need to make a symbolic sacrifice to the copyright god, no matter whether it makes any legal difference or not. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 06:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


=
== "who lived across from Guthrie and his family in Brooklyn in the 1940s" ==


== Marriage years- inconsistency in article ==
Across from him how? Across the street? Across the hall? There is an indispensable word missing in this sentence. It can say "nearby" but it can't say "across" as if across is a specific thing in and of itself.—[[Special:Contributions/141.155.159.210|141.155.159.210]] ([[User talk:141.155.159.210|talk]]) 09:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Having read this article from stem to stern (as I often do with Wikipedia's featured articles), I must say this is really a step below most featured articles. The writing is haphazard; choppy in places, unbalanced. There is more problem grammar and errors than the one I flagged above. It's a long way from "brilliant prose". You should reassess this article and get it off the front page.—[[Special:Contributions/141.155.159.210|141.155.159.210]] ([[User talk:141.155.159.210|talk]]) 10:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


The marriage/divorce years in the sidebar do not line up with the years in the "personal life" section of the article. Also, a part early in the article mentions he was married at 19, but that age doesn't line up with the 1943 date mentioned later.
== Book written by him ==


I cannot see a link to the autobiography written by him - forgot the name - but it has an article here. [[Special:Contributions/78.151.123.71|78.151.123.71]] ([[User talk:78.151.123.71|talk]]) 10:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Even if there is uncertainty around these dates, the article should have some consistency. -[[User:KaJunl|KaJunl]] ([[User talk:KaJunl|talk]]) 11:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:34, 27 December 2024

Former featured articleWoody Guthrie is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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Current status: Former featured article

Singer-songwriter and musician

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Isn't it redundant? Should be only "singer-songw" Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Fixed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The top part of the article is broken

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Pretty self explanatory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:802:E400:5973:8093:F680:2ED (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

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The personal life section of the article appears to be missing but is included in the table of contents — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariojack3 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising this. I'm not a technowikipedian but it looks like a queer (yes, I'm using that in the old sense of the word) bug. I've done a workaround. Some technical genius might be able to fix it and retain the quote box, too. sirlanz 00:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

American exceptionalism

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To describe the song as a response to American Exceptionalism in "God Bless America" is an unfounded editorial opinion and not a provable fact. Recommend delete those words and substitute something more factual if desired. 75.42.35.133 (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia depends on reliable sources, not all of which are "provable facts" but can be informed perspectives by established individuals and institutions. In the case of the sentence in question, The Kennedy Center addresses the point here [1] and History.com here [2]. Dozens of other sources also identify the radically left basis for the song.
In addition, Guthries's original lyric includes three verses that were left out of performances by late 1950s-early 1960s performers like the Kingston Trio and Peter, Paul and Mary who helped revive the tune because the words were too specifically political:


There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
The sign was painted, it said private property;
But on the back side it didn’t say nothing;
That side was made for you and me.


Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me.


And the original last verse:


In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the Relief Office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?
It's always valid to question the accuracy of text on Wikipedia, understanding that as above both facts and qualified perspectives can be reliable sources.Sensei48 (talk) 18:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I went further than your suggestion and removed "God Bless America" from the lead paragraph, because that fact is much less important to the song "This Land Is Your Land", and much less important to Guthrie's biography. Binksternet (talk) 18:40, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Marriage years- inconsistency in article

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The marriage/divorce years in the sidebar do not line up with the years in the "personal life" section of the article. Also, a part early in the article mentions he was married at 19, but that age doesn't line up with the 1943 date mentioned later.

Even if there is uncertainty around these dates, the article should have some consistency. -KaJunl (talk) 11:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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