Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The ed17 2

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.

The ed17

Final (117/1/2); ended 02:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC) —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 03:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Nomination

The ed17 (talk · contribs) – It is once again my pleasure to nominate The ed17 for adminship on the English Wikipedia. Ed has been with us for over two years, and in that time has become a valuable contributor, a well respected Military history WikiProject coordinator, and a familiar name at DYK. Ed's also been an active outreach user, having donated his time to help our new editors learn the ropes, and was the first to assume good faith in the case of an editor that a friend and I were concerned may have ownership issues with regards to article. His assistance and outstanding work have carried over to WikiProject Ships as well; his work with the ongoing Operation Majestic Titan has yielded a number of articles worthy of merit, including Wikipedia's first featured article on a specific predreadnought battleship and our first non-American or British battleship FA. I doubt that The ed17 will spend every waking moment working on administrative tasks, but I do believe that he will put these tools to good use for the greater good of Wikipedia as a whole whenever he feels the situation warrants an admin's touch. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Co-nomination I was very pleased when Ed offered me the chance to nominate him for adminship. Ed has been continuously editing since March 2008, racking up about 23,000 edits in the meantime. Most editors have who traipsed through MILHIST at some point or another within the past year or so will have likely seen Ed doing plenty of great work for the project, whether it be regarding project coordination, A-class reviews, or writing high-quality battleship articles. I have had the pleasure of interacting with him a great deal at DYK and WP:ERRORS, where Ed does a good deal of work and has displayed solid judgment. Perhaps Ed will not be the most active administrator. But I know that when he does do administrator work, he will put in the same dedication and thought into his actions that he did for his 20 GA or higher quality articles. I have not seen a single edit of Ed's to suggest that he is not worthy of our trust. So let us give him just a little bit more. NW (Talk) 01:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 02:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: - I will be participating at DYK more for sure. As the queues are protected, an administrator is required to move updates from the prep areas into them. As to other areas, I do not know if I will take up residence in any; only time will tell.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: - My work at DYK—having 19 articles appear on the main page and putting together a fair amount of updates—is nice, but I am most proud of the higher-class articles I have written. I can count heavy contributions to ship articles from a plethora of countries, including the United States, Argentina, Brazil, the Netherlands, Germany, and Japan. Due to the scarcity of English-language sources, my favorite is probably Design 1047 battlecruiser, though North Carolina-class battleship is very close because of the level of detail I was able to include in it.

FA/A/GA list

USS Nevada (BB-36) Alaska-class cruiser USS Connecticut (BB-18) - with many people Design 1047 battlecruiser Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes Yamato-class battleship - Climie.ca (talk · contribs) was main contributor Lexington-class battlecruiser Amagi-class battlecruiser - with Parsecboy (talk · contribs) North Carolina-class battleship - with Parsecboy Brazilian cruiser Bahia The Sword of Shannara - with DanDs (talk · contribs) USS Hawaii (CB-3) Tosa-class battleship - with Parsecboy Brazilian battleship São Paulo O class battlecruiser - with Parsecboy Design B-65 cruiser - with Cla68 (talk · contribs) ARA Rivadavia - with Parsecboy Design A-150 battleship Colorado-class battleship with Parsecboy and TomStar81 (talk · contribs)

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: - For the most part, I haven't been in any serious conflicts since March 2008. I would say that the closest things to a dispute would have been an article that was written in a lipogrammatic format (see the talk page archives from here down and here), or the FAC for USS Connecticut (BB-18), when I faced plagiarism concerns from Ottava Rima (talk · contribs).

Additional optional questions from Friday

4. What would you say to those who are unfamiliar with your editing history, but see cause for concern in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The ed17 ?

A: - To be honest, I see many problems with myself then as well. However, I do believe that I have improved a great deal in the 8^1/2 months since that RfA. In early January, I had only a few articles that I had gone through and taken to high quality. However, since then, I have worked on nearly two GAs (and/or higher quality articles) a month. In addition, since my last RfA I have found WP:DYK, an area that I would definitely see myself contributing more heavily to as an administrator. Regarding my demonstration of policy knowledge, which was a sticking point in my last RfA, I do believe I have demonstrated sufficient knowledge of all policies since then, but if there is anything in particular that sticks out, feel free to ask me. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 03:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional optional questions from Graeme Bartlett

5. How would you approach dispute resolution? Just about any area an admin works in could involve some controversy as some will not agree, (eg articles not promoted at DYK) and will argue with you, or even take revenge.

A: - If I really got into an argument with someone (as opposed to a simple disagreement of opinion), it's likely that no amount of typing between us will resolve our differences or change one of our minds. As such, as soon as it seems like discourse between us has reached an impasse, I would ask for outside opinions at WT:DYK and accept any consensus reached. —Ed (talk • contribs) 21:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional optional questions from Tznkai

6. A hypothetical: A post on ANI catches your attention. An IP editor (IP 555.555.555.1) claims that he is part of Sarah Palin's family, and that redlinked user:neutral editor is a democratic staffer vandalizing the article. A check of the history shows these two were edit warring over whether or not to include the line "Sarah Palin quit from the position of governor, giving her a world wide reputation as a quitter"(several cites to blogs and op eds) in the lede of the article. 555.555.555.1 has been reverting with the edit summary "rv:trolling vandal libeler" and user:neutral editor has not used edit summaries at all. In addition, three other users have commented on the ANI thread like so:

• Alaskan's can't write, ignore him.--User:A
  • Block 555.555.555.1, WP:COI. --User:B
    • Block both of the fuckers. --User:C

No one else has responded to the thread in 48 hours. What do you do?

A: - To start—although it isn't 100% relevant to this situation—the IP should be encouraged to get an account and email OTRS, so that it can be proven that they are who they say they are. Second, the statement should be removed from the article. It violates WP:BLP in its current wording, probably isn't neutral, and the sources given do not satisfy WP:RS as they are blogs and opinion editorials that are not necessarily objective or based in fact. I would purposely not take the users who commented into account; "A" is just plain wrong (since when has the literacy rate in Alaska been 0%?), I suspect that "B" did not take a close look at diffs to see what the IP was removing, and "C" does not give a rationale as to why both editors should be blocked. Lastly, user:neutral editor should be given a blp sourcing warning.

I realize that I have skipped around the question of whether user:neutral editor is a democratic staffer or not, but this was purposeful. I highly doubt that he/she would admit to it if they were, and their location cannot be checked because there is no obvious sockpuppetry going on (checkuser is not for fishing)—though the name of the editor raises a red flag in my mind, as they've probably been on Wikipedia at some point if they know how important the word "neutral" is to us. In any case, if they really are a staffer set on disrupting and/or vandalizing articles on Republicans, they will be warned and blocked in due course. —Ed (talk • contribs) 14:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Optional question from Lankiveil

7. What do you make of the results of the civility poll?

A: - I don't make much of them. A steam train ain't gonna move until you shovel coal into its boiler; in the same way, while it is nice to know what Wikipedians think is wrong, we need ideas on how to fix these problems before anything on Wikipedia will change. For example: "97% of 39 responders said yes [we are too harsh are new users]". Okay, that's nice. But how are we going to address the problem? —Ed (talk • contribs) 15:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional optional questions from ThaddeusB

8. What do you view as the greatest threat to Wikipedia's long-term future and why? What, if anything, can be done to address this issue?

A: - In my opinion, we have a major problem with losing editors. Illustrated at Wikipedia:Editing frequency, the amount of active editors who have more than five edits a month is slowly dropping. I don't know what it is—outside of the recognized problems with WP:BITE—but I do know that we are going to have to identify and rectify the problem if we still want to be recognized as a reliable source in the near future. Less editors means less eyes on contentious topics, less input to clearly determine consensus, and—most importantly—less fingers researching and typing out articles. —Ed (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

8a. Follow up question: Do you view the tendency of some new page patrollers to instantly tag a page for deletion the moment it appears on Wikipedia to be a form of BITE? Why or why not?

A: - Good question to ask. It all depends on the context; if it appears that the contributor is making a good faith attempt to write an article, I'd help them out or afd it, rather than speedying. Why not give them a chance to prove that this person/place/thing is notable? If it isn't, then it can be speedy'd later—hopefully after the article writer has learned a few policies and now knows just why it is being deleted. Blatant hoaxs or just plain vandalism are different stories.

This is only my opinion, however. I'd never oppose someone at RfA or get angry for a person for not doing this; not being a frequent new pages patroller, I don't even know if my method would be feasible. —Ed (talk • contribs) 22:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Followup from Ed. Just got the Signpost on my talk page, and in the "In the News" section there were two interesting links to a blog and Time:

Back in 2004 Wikipedia was a very friendly place and contributions from just about anyone were welcome. In 2009, I challenge a newbie to create an article on Wikipedia and have that article exist for an entire week. Guaranteed, your article will be marked for “speedy deletion” within about two minutes of its creation.

— Gene McKenna, Bullypedia, A Wikipedian Who’s Tired of Getting Beat Up

Over time, though, a class system emerged; now revisions made by infrequent contributors are much likelier to be undone by élite Wikipedians. Chi also notes the rise of wiki-lawyering: for your edits to stick, you've got to learn to cite the complex laws of Wikipedia in arguments with other editors. Together, these changes have created a community not very hospitable to newcomers. Chi says, "People begin to wonder, 'Why should I contribute anymore?'

— Farhad Manjoo, Where Wikipedia Ends

Granted, I can't say that I have been trying to play a major role in helping out new editors who are stuck in this position, but this is a major problem in desperate need of a solution. Ideas:

Instead of speedying borderline articles, how about we place a note on the user who created the page, asking them to add sources, and let's create a hidden category where articles which have not been improved in a certain time limit (measuring the time from the "add sources" request) are speedyed. This would require a very different approach at NPP, I know; remember, I'm just throwing out thoughts.

Instead of throwing WP:N or WP:RS into our edit summaries, the many borderline AfDs, or talk pages of new users, we should explain exactly why they do not meet the criteria, and if it is sourced to even adequate standards—yes, first-party sources count as "adequate" as long as other refs are present—let's keep the article. There's no harm in it.

Remember, these are just random musings. We need to get new blood here, but how we do it is up to the community. Please, improve upon my thoughts or think of your own. Comments are invited on my talk page. —Ed (talk • contribs) 00:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

9. You do not appear to be currently interested in working in deletion. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but as I'm sure you are aware you will gain access to those tools if approved. If your desires change in the future, what steps will you take before diving into closing AfDs and accessing speedy candidates?

A: - Just like a kid learning to swim, you don't jump into the deep end of the pool right way. I'd wade in slowly through the kiddie section of the pool, closing the obvious ones while keeping an eye on the AfDs at the other, deeper, end. With this method, I'd be able watch the harder ones and learn while still helping out. I believe this would give me a good judge of consensus by the time I would take my own dive into the deep section. —Ed (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

10. While moving an approved hook to the DYK queue, you notice that it doesn't read very well and make some minor modifications. The hooks creator notices and leaves you a nasty message on your talk page calling you a stupid fool who doesn't know anything about the article's subject or the English language. How do you respond?

A: - If I had greatly altered the hook, I'd remove it from the current queue and move it backwards to a later queue or a prep area, pending discussion at WT:DYK. This would give us all the benefit of time and outside input. With regards to the nasty message, I would simply ignore it; we all get mad sometimes.

If it was a minor grammatical change—which is what most of my edits to queues etc. will be—I would ask around on IRC for second opinions to find if I was in error. If they believe that the change was grammatically correct, I'd try to explain to the hooks' creator why the change was needed. If I was wrong, I'd revert and immediately apologize. —Ed (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

General comments

RfAs for this user:

• Requests for adminship/The ed17
• Requests for adminship/The ed17 2

• Links for The ed17: The ed17 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for The ed17 can be found here.

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/The ed17 before commenting.

Discussion

• Editing stats posted at the talk page. Javért ^☆ 02:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• Just a note: I will be getting to the questions as soon as I have time. Computer crashes combined with unexpected things in RL have sucked all of my extra time away. Apologies, —Ed17 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Support

1. Strong Support as co-nominator. NW (Talk) 01:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
2. Strong Support as co - nominator. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
3. Support Looks good to me!--Res2216firestar 02:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
4. Support. Shiver me timbers! Ye sprog finally decided to set sail on the high seas that be RfA. Ye lily-livered landlubber better make me proud, else ye be keelhauled! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
5. Support. I've been impressed by his work. PeterSymonds (talk) 02:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
6. A fine candidate indeed. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)^{help us!} 02:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
7. All around good candidate with very strong wikiproject activity.  7  02:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
8. Support Tempodivalse [talk] 02:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
9. Strong Support: It's now an year since I first met Ed, and everything I have seen him do during that time here is impressive. Ed helps out a lot at DYK, and the new tools would be a benefit there (and desperately needed too, I might add). The extra tools will be nothing but a benefit to the project. ≈ Chamal ^{Avast, landlubber!} ¤ 02:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
10. Support Solid contributor, trust worthy in my thoughts would make a good addition esp for dyk.Ottawa4ever (talk) 02:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
11. Strong support Reliable, sensible and hardworking editor who can be trusted with the tools.  Roger Davies ^talk 02:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
12. Excellent work at DYK. Shubinator (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
13. Deserves the trust of the community, and probably deserved it back in January too. Master&Expert (Talk) 02:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
14. While I weak supported last time, I cannot get over how pleased I am with the excellent to reasonable argument and stances at here, here, here, and here. Thus I am darn near going with a strong support this time around. The candidate has a host of FA, A-class, GA, and Did you know…? credits on his user page, was identified as an Awesome Wikipedian by BOTH Dylan and Relevse, has 3+ years of experience under his belt, was kind enough to adopt two other users, not to mention has received User:The_ed17/Awards, and the blocks were nearly three years ago. Finally, the fact that it is unanimous support thus far is telling, i.e. none of my fellow colleagues have offered any reasons not to support either. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 03:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
15. Strong support - I've known Ed for a while now, and have collaborated with him on several high-quality articles. He is a rational editor and can be trusted to use the tools with care. His work at DYK will be enhanced if he has the ability to directly process the update queues, which seem to be constantly backlogged. Parsecboy (talk) 03:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
16. I find the co-nominators to be convincing. @harej 03:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
17. Strong support. A very trustworthy guy. bibliomaniac15 03:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
18. Support - When I first met Ed, he had some content related difficulties. However, after discussing and fighting, he sure learned from his mistakes. :) It has been quite a long time since then, and I haven't noticed any of those problems in a very long time. His understanding of policies and guidelines has improved greatly and I trust him on his understanding of them. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
19. Support Fine. BrianY (talk) 03:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
20. But of course! Ed is a very trustworthy and smart guy. He deserved the mop already! ;) iMatthew ^talk at 03:24, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
21. Prodego ^talk 04:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
22. SUpport for ensuring that we won't go an entire calendar day without having an RfA candidate ;-)---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 04:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
23. Support. A regular worker for WP:DYK like yourself should be endowed with appropriate tools. I don't see any evidence of exceptionally bad behavior. Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
24. Support Aye, good candidate. See him around all the time. He's helpful, dedicated to the project, I trust him not to misuse the tools. But would suggest more experience in areas not related to content building. Per above and nom - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
25. Support Looks good to me. Regards, Javért ^☆ 05:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
26. Strong Support (I would have been a co-nom if it had not been for a power outage) - Ed is one of the finest Wikipedians I have worked with and he is a trusted member of the community already in the MILHIST project as a fellow coordinator. His content-building is exceptional, as is his work at DYK. I have no doubts that he would ever misuse the tools and the granting of the mop would be a huge net positive to the project. -MBK₀₀₄ 05:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
27. Support Looks good. Diffs below look fairly reasonable to me. We're human after all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
28. Support Had a look, can't see anything that makes me think that you will misuse the tools. Davewild (talk) 07:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
29. Support. My usual argument here - net posotive so why not? AtheWeatherman 08:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
30. A very good editor who would make a fine admin.--Patton123 (talk) 08:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
31. I remember being very impressed with The_Ed's attitude the last time around. It looks like he's addressed the concerns we raised, as I expected he would. - Dank (push to talk) 09:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
32. Weak Support Willing to make an exception to my general criteria, since Ed has been here for a very long time, and has demonstrated a lot of clue. ƒ(Δ)² 09:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
33. I remember first noticing Ed some years ago, and at the time thinking that here was another young 'myspace generation' editor who probably wouldn't last the distance (sorry Ed!). Having had the pleasure of working with him at milhist and on various articles, I'm delighted to say that he's matured into a responsible, dedicated, collaborative content contributor. He has a sound grasp of policy, contributes thoughtfully to discussions, and importantly hasn't lost the sense of fun that was evident from the start. Over the years it's been tempered with clue^TM, but I feel an ability not to take ourselves (as opposed to the role we've been entrusted with) too seriously is something that we often overlook in potential admins; it's candidates that can't do this that run into problems with ego later on. I trust Ed's judgement both in when to act and when to seek advice. I too would have been happy to co-nom, so yeah, full support :) EyeSerene^talk 10:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
34. Oppose No edits in MediaWiki space makes me oppose. Otherwise, no problems. ;) Pmlineditor^Talk 10:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
35. About time! ceranthor 10:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
36. I don't think I've had any personal interactions, but the contribs seem good and the guy seems mature enough to handle the tools. I trust the judgement of NW, too. Why not? Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  11:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
37. Need more sysops. Stifle (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
38. Support. Good contributions. Trustworthy. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
39. Support Per Shubinator and above.--Giants27(c|s) 12:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
40. Support per Julian. ;) I've always been impressed with the_ed17's work, and basically have seen no negative behavior or judgement issues. The one oppose does not concern me, so I have no reason not to support a dedicated, reasonable user like this one. JamieS93 13:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
41. Strong support, good guy. We need more of them around here. –blurpeace ^(talk) 13:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
42. Support - Solid contributor. AdjustShift (talk) 14:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
43. Looks good. Malinaccier (talk) 14:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
44. Content editor = strong support. Bsimmons666 (talk) 14:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
45. Support Seems trustworthy to me. hmwith☮ 14:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
46. Support No brainier! Good luck with the MOP!! America69 (talk) 14:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
47. Support ready for the mop. Royalbroil 15:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
48. Support I read the opposes from Round 1 in detail, and see substantial improvement in questioned areas, including contributions to ANI and XfD. (As an aside, I note his questions in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pastor Theo. Interesting, in light of recent events.)--SPhilbrickT 15:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

    More discussion on this on his talk page. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 16:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

49. Strong Support basically per my rationale on the last RfA. Great article work, great all-around editor. LittleMountain5 15:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
50. Support. The concerns raised by opposers appear to be pretty weak. I see nothing which would indicate a likelihood of abusing the tools, and I see plenty which indicates the tools would be used in an appropriate manner. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
51. Support - Good editor. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
52. Support Good content writer, steady contributor, more experienced than he was during the last RfA. Pretty clear net positive. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
53. Support - exceptional candidate. Thorough contributor and enthusiastic editor. Cam ^(Chat) 17:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
54. Support - I don't care about age here, but I find it odd that some do. With that being the only concern... Irbisgreif (talk) 17:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
55. Support. Great user, trustworthy, friendly. --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
56. One-hundred-and-ten-percent-support (MO-what now?). My rationale for opposing last time was completely baseless it would appear. I want to see that righted by this passing. Good luck and apologies for my behaviour and comments last time.  GARDEN  18:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
57. Support - User's contributions look good, well done with work at DYK and other areas, no problems :) -- Casmith_789 (talk) 18:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
58. Support An excellent contributor.--LAAFan^sign _review 19:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
59. Support - Don't see any problems, very helpful and polite. Skinny87 (talk) 21:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
60. Support Orpy15 (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
61. Strong support. Wizardman 21:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
62. Support per nom. Durova³¹⁹ 21:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
63. Support Looks good. Theleftorium 21:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
64. Support The ed17 is a great editor and coordinator of the Military History Wikiproject and I have confidence that he won't miss-use the admin tools. While we need more admins willing to do behind the scenes work at WP:DYK, I hope that ed considers expanding the scope of his admin activities once he finds his feet in the new role as we're also short of admins willing to help pursue disruptive editors. Nick-D (talk) 23:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
65. Support I don't feel that article contributions and excellent writing skills are inherent reasons to support or oppose, but since you only say you want to work in the DYK area those contributions are highly relevant. Your answer to question one is appreciated, thank you. I'm also struck by your insistence (question 5) that you simply want to be a DYK admin. No problems. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 23:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
66. Suppport Excellent user. Triplestop x3 01:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
67. Support. The ed17 is an excellent editor who, in my experience, is consistently civil, helpful, exemplifies great levels of maturity and displays sound levels of judgement. I have great confidence that he will utilise the tools wisely. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
68. Support - Looks good to me. Airplaneman ^talk 04:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
69. Support - No problems here. Cheers, Razorflame 04:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
70. Support. Dedicated, knowledgeable, and experienced editor who will add further value to the project as an admin. Cla68 (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
71. Support - No qualms about this candidate. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
72. Support practically a legend. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
73. Support I've had several positive encounters with this clueful editor. Personally I find it rather odd that I'm an admin and he isn't, this should resolve that situation. ϢereSpielChequers 10:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
74. Strong support Sorry to be so late, but I'm on tour, as usual. I was one of the principal opposers who helped sink the nom last time, but Ed has lived down the episode, and his achievements speak for themselves. Expect he will be a tremendous net positive as an admin.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
75. Support - Missed the opportunity to make an unfunny TLAPD comment. Meh. — neuro^(talk) 16:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
76. Support. Lots of good quality content, dedicated, eager, dynamic ... Sounds like he has the potential to make an equally decent admin. Esowteric+Talk 17:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
77. Support Looks great! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
78. Support Looking through edits and information presented here, I see no reason to oppose. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 23:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
79. Support Definitely. upstateNYer 23:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
80. Support A superb candidate. Good luck with the mop! Laurinavicius (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
81. Support Definitely appears to be a suitable candidate. Lots of content. DYK always seems to need the help. Very little in the oppose section after several days to even persuade me to be there or consider otherwise at this moment in time. --candle•wicke 02:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
82. Support Experienced, good editor, nom from a good admin. Also per Wehwalt—being supported by a former opposer is a good sign. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
83. Support per nom. --John (talk) 05:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
84. Strong support YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
85.  Support Deo Volente & Deo Juvente, The ed17. — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 06:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
86. Support Some excellent work. — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 11:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
87. Support. --Simon Harley (talk | library | book reviews) 11:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
88. Support - looks good to me.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 14:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
89. Support – an excellent candidate. I was amazed initially when I was told he was not an admin. Alan16 (talk) 15:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
90. Support Impressive progress since previous RfA. GlassCobra 16:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
91. Support My !vote is based primary on the user's response to my hypothetical question. For my complete views on it, see WT:RFA ed17 addressed the primary problems well: he addressed the BLP issue, had a good analysis of the pitfalls of checkuser as well as Users A, B and C. The edit warring was not addressed, and the COI issue was not touched on. In these sorts of situations in the future, I suggest making a separate effort to talk to both users in depth (via e-mail or talk page), explaining the proper use of edit summaries, the conflict of interest policy, avoiding edit wars, and the like. One additional piece of advice is to consider making some sort of statement on the ANI thread to users A,B, and C, explaining why you're ignoring their suggestions. Even if they never learn, someone else reading might. The answer however, showed solid thinking and I believe that the candidate will learn quickly.--Tznkai (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks Tznkai. That is one great question you came up with. I purposely avoided edit-warring and COI in my answer as I wouldn't have mentioned it in my initial interactions with user:neutral editor and the IP, for fear of shoving good-faith editors away. In my opinion (probably not supported by policy...), WP:EDITWAR and WP:COI shouldn't be thrown right away at new users—it only serves to shove them away from the one topic they are initially interested in, meaning they will be more inclined to leave.

    Links to big, elitist-sounding policies are extremely easy to drop on people's pages, but they are also very disconcerting to new editors. Later on, when they have a basic understanding of how Wikipedia works and are less likely to leave at a moment's notice, edit-warring and COI can be explained to them. For the beginning, simple notes of "please don't continually [add / remove] this information [back] over and over" and "please don't let a conflict of interest interfere with the objectivity of the article" left on the IP and user talk:neutral editor would suffice. —Ed17 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

    Good points all.--Tznkai (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

92. Support, overwhelmingly positive interactions with this editor. --Andy Walsh (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
93. Support Fantastic content contributor and a very responsible editor, especially in areas where access to administration tools can improve productivity, such as DYK. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
94. Support Per nom. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 18:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
95. Support Until It Sleeps ^alternate 19:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
96. Support: He is friendly, helpful, with lots of Constructive Edits. - Ret.Prof (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
97. Support I don't see anything particularly startling in a spot check of his contribs, and all my encounters with him have been positive. Will do well with the tools. The Wordsmith_{(formerly known as Firestorm)}^Communicate 14:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
98. Support Awesome answers, fantastic contributions to the encylopedia, and a clear focus on what the tools will be used for. -- Atama頭 16:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
99. Support Not a ton of contact with ed, but whenever I see him he's always doing good work. Actually have this user page of his watched because I just think it's an awesome project. Staxringold _talk^contribs 19:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
100. WP:100 Support. Looks good. Tim Song (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
101. Support I think he's ready this time. DGG ( talk ) 00:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
102. Support Awesome, and I don't use that word often or lightly. Good luck! Jusdafax 09:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
103. Support The ed17 has shown a strong dedication to Wikipedia through regular editing over an extended period of time, good communication & writing skills (and no civility problems), and most importantly a high level of CLUE. The answers to the questions were excellent, esp. Q8/8a. --ThaddeusB (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
104. Support Thoughtful answers and a history of constructive edits; ed will be a great addition to the admin crew. --Jezebel'sPonyo^shhh 13:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
105. Support - Trustworthy user. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 14:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
106. Strong support - Happened to spot this on his talk page at the last minute, ha. Nothing but good experiences with this user. Trustworthy, considerate, and thoughtful - very admin-tailored. ;) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 19:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
107. Support. Looks fine. — ξ^xplicit 20:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
108. Support Looks good to me. Some great work on battleship articles, active in FA and GA areas. Don't see a problem with him mopping up a few things around here. — Ched :  ?  21:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
109. Support did not really answer my qauestion as I expected, but at least the candidate woun't be part of the problem. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
110. Support - Ed meets my standards: in particular - lots of edits including high-quality article work and sufficient WP edits, great Userboxen and user pages, having rollback, and he came back stronger after last RfA. Bearian (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
111. Support: superb content editor, mature, and cool-headed. bahamut0013^words_deeds 16:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
112. Support. AshLin (talk) 10:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
113. Weak Support, obviously this candidate has a vast array of constructive contributions, and they'll clearly be a net positive with the mop. Just try to remember that being punctual and quick to respond to queries from users is often important for an admin. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 20:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC).
114. Support Per my rationale in the last RfA. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 20:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
115. Support Great content contributions and no behavioral concerns. Hope you enjoy the additional mop duties. Abecedare (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
116. Support Seen only helpful contributions by this editor, especially at DYK. —mattisse (Talk) 23:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
117. Support I was going to say 'I supported the last time around and ...' but discovered I hadn't !voted then. Per what I should have done 8 months ago. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 01:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Although I've supported some candidates under 18, I'm not totally convinced to see exceptional maturity from this candidate. Seems quick to judge and accuse given this comments[1][2] at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_46.--Caspian blue 03:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   For what it's worth, I believe that Ed is of the age of majority in America. NW (Talk) 03:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   I can confirm that Ed is over 18. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:24, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Not to badger, but I happen to remember why I jumped at him there, even though it was in May. :-) I had read through the entirety of Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 46#Welcome to Wikipedia (United_States) about a week before, and I was a little annoyed that he decided to come to another area of the project to push the same ideas. However, I would agree that my responses were quite strong. Thanks for weighing in! Cheers, —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 03:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Julian, I don't think it matters if he is or not, since the rationale didn't only mention age. Let's not make judgements on a very superficial face value. -- Mentifisto 10:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Certainly, and Ed has made other comments regarding Caspian's second point, but age is mentioned. If we were to answer Caspian's second point and leave any inference that Ed is under the age of maturity alone we've be guilty of making judgements on face value, since the rationale didn't only mention DYK :P. Ironholds (talk) 10:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   It was just an FYI to prevent any confusion. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Surprised to see this. From following Ed's talk page on and off, Ed is at university, and is certainly in the mainstream regarding age among significant WP editors.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

   Oppose for now. Has created and recreated articles containing copyvios - see 36th Infantry Brigade (United States). Buckshot06(prof) 03:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Wrong editor. That's Ed!. The ed17 is the one up for adminship on this here page. @harej 03:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   See Ed! (talk · contribs) (who created the copyvio you linked to) versus The_ed17 (talk · contribs) who is the one up for adminship here. -MBK₀₀₄ 03:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Well pointed out guys - my mistake. I withdraw my 'oppose.' Buckshot06(prof) 03:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Comment: Let's keep age out of it. Do his edits show enough maturity to be an Admin?? I have met young people who are very responsible and old geezers who should never be given tools. - Ret.Prof (talk) 00:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC) (An old geezer)

   Comment 2: He is friendly, helpful, with lots of Constructive Edits. My Ideal Candidate. Have I missed anything? - Ret.Prof (talk) 01:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

   Oppose, per Q7. I know that these questions are optional, however, I expect better communication skills from an admin to at least state why they haven't answered the question (or why there's been a delay), on the talk page if not where it was originally posed. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC). Moved to Support. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 20:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC).

   (note that I'll be happy to remove the above oppose if the candidate does provide an answer before the deadline. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC))

   I've answered, my apologies. —Ed (talk • contribs) 15:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Neutral

1. I can't make a solid determination here. The candidate is in an age range where I'd want to see evidence of exceptional maturity. I don't see it. But, I also don't see him obviously acting like a typical teen. The civility-based opposes from the last RFA I find pretty unconvincing. But, the whole "he must have improved, he's been writing articles since last time" is very unconvincing as well. Article writing and admin work are two separate jobs, and I find it really unhelpful when people pretend otherwise. So I don't have enough to go on yet, and could be swayed either way. But, from the looks of the RFA it won't matter. Friday (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   (Just commenting) You know what's so interesting? How some people, such as you (and I), believe that article writing =/= adminship, while others manage to pretend that, without a plethora of excellent GAs, DYKs, and FAs, an otherwise perfect candidate can't be intelligent enough to push a few extra buttons. How odd this world is. How very odd. Cheers, I'^mperator 18:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   I would wager that the reasoning is that if an editor has written an FA, then they have to be at least reasonably familiar with many of the core policies, including those governing image usage, point of view, verifiability, etc. There's the argument that building content requires interaction with other editors, whereas patrolling the RC/New pages/etc. logs tends to minimize interactions that extend further than spamming warning templates on vandal or newbie talk pages. Just a little food for thought. Parsecboy (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   It is hardly too curious to see that different people hold difference preferences about the ideal admin. Protonk (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Imperator, I usually agree with you, but on this occasion I strongly disagree. It is not 'interesting' at all that people can have different opinions. Your reply sounds to me as if you are saying "anyone who disagrees with me and Friday is wrong" -- I hope that was not your intention. — neuro^(talk) 18:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

   Not at all, Neuro. I'm sorry if I misworded the statement, but all I meant to say is "I agree". Now that I reflect on what I said, it does seem a bit...harsh. My bad :) Cheers, I'^mperator 19:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

   Friday, I totally agree. Article work is a plus, but people shouldn't be blinded by it. We have a lot of talented multi-FA writers that can be snobbish. ;) They're very impressive workers, but I'd never want some of them to be admins. JamieS93 21:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

   Just a side note: many people who use Wikipedia are very eager to create articles but due to the enormous mass of articles already on here, find it impossible to think up a topic for a new article that fits within their area of interest. Also, can you expect someone who isn't exceptionally good at English to considerably work on a Featured article? I don't think so. Does not being as good at English as some of us affect said person's ability to be an administrator? Again, negative (obviously administrators of the English wikipedia need to have O.K. English but they don't necessarily have to have English as good as native speakers of the language. E.g. Many non-english speaking country schools around the world teach English, some even from year 3. A person who has learnt English for ten years has to be said to be more than proficient to be an administrator on the English Wikipedia) . Some people are also, for want of a better word, shy when it comes to adding a lot of content to an article. Especially if they are trying to make a good impression to the Wikipedia community because, believe it or not, the Wikipedia community can be quite harsh at times, even cruel. Some people are afraid that any content they add to articles will be disapproved of and removed.
   These are just some points to think about.
   2nd note: none of the above is saying that I think that anything anyone else says is wrong. Nearly every !vote here has valid points. — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 11:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

2. Same as Friday Leujohn ^{(talk, stalk me?)}

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