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= December 10 =
{{Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Computing/2009 October 13}}


== Youtube videos switching in the middle to Chinese people doing ordinary things ==
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I see that others are encountering the same problem.[https://community.roku.com/t5/Channels-viewing/YouTube-Chinese-interference/td-p/958096/page/2] Has anybody come up with a fix yet? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 05:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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:To avoid videos with crocheting Chinese ladies and such – if that's not your thing – make sure the video is from the original channel and not some pirated and hacked video. The name of the channel (such as Eyewitness News ABC7NY, Jimmy Kimmel Live, ESPN MBL, ...) is given below the title of the video. Pirated videos come from an unfamiliar channel; other than that, everything looks the same as the legit video. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
= October 16 =


::Aaah, thanks. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 01:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
== Cheapest pocket 'computer' ==


= December 11 =
What would be the cheapest pocket-sized or less self-contained computing device? Some constraints: it must 1) have some kind of alpha-numeric keyboard - a touch-screen keyboard might do. 2) have a display that can at least show text and numbers. 3) have some high level programming language 4) be able to save data or programs 5) be able to trabsfer data and programs to and from a computer. Thanks. (As paper LCDs are now possible, I hope that one day soon it will soon be possible to buy a pocket computer for a few pounds or dollars.) [[Special:Contributions/78.151.92.101|78.151.92.101]] ([[User talk:78.151.92.101|talk]]) 00:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


== Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one ==
:Off the shelf - a used PDA would probably fit the bill. A high-end graphing calculator. An Android-based cellphone maybe. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 01:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:
: Personally, I'm still waiting for my [[OpenPandora]]. Graphing calculators like the TI-92 sell used for under $40 on ebay. They've got a weird form factor, though. You might go for an older PalmOS machine. They don't come native with built-in programming tools, but you can get C compilers and stuff. [[User:APL|APL]] ([[User talk:APL|talk]]) 23:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
:System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible
:Version 10.0.19045
:Build 19045
Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a ''second time'' (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas?
--[[Special:Contributions/68.129.153.226|68.129.153.226]] ([[User talk:68.129.153.226|talk]]) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. [[User:MinorProphet|MinorProphet]] ([[User talk:MinorProphet|talk]]) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--[[Special:Contributions/68.129.153.226|68.129.153.226]] ([[User talk:68.129.153.226|talk]]) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
: What happens if you type a single <TT>'</tt> or <TT>"</tt>, followed by some other character, like a letter?
: It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)
: My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —[[User:scs|scs]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::: Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —[[User:scs|scs]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.
::On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]]</span> [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::See [[dead key]]. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with [[acute accent]] or [[two dots (diacritic)|two dots]]. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


: Have you tried a {{key|"|space}} sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== wget and cURL - can the links they follow be specified? ==


::Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. [[User:MinorProphet|MinorProphet]] ([[User talk:MinorProphet|talk]]) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I would like to use one of the these to download a series of pages connected by "next page" links only, and not to follow any other of the links on the pages. Is there any way of getting them to do this please? [[Special:Contributions/78.151.92.101|78.151.92.101]] ([[User talk:78.151.92.101|talk]]) 00:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.
:But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type '''any''' following character (not just single/double quote).
:You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. [[User:Ranemanoj|manya]] ([[User talk:Ranemanoj|talk]]) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 13 =
== Looking to build a budget gaming computer, are these parts OK? ==


== Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0? ==
I'm OK with software, but I know nothing at all about hardware, so when I decided to build a computer I was forced to turn to the Internet. Off a suggested parts list for a budget gaming computer, I got most of the following parts, although a few were no longer available so I had to try to find an alternative. Again, I freely admit that I know very little about the finer points of hardware (although I'm trying to pick up a few things!), so any advice would be greatly appreciated.


For [https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-next-generation-model-february-2024/ Gemini 1.5], I find its [[arxiv:2403.05530|thesis]].
Case: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119208 COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKRK-GP Black Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 460W Power Supply - Retail]


What about recently released [https://blog.google/technology/google-deepmind/google-gemini-ai-update-december-2024/ Gemini 2.0]? [[User:HarryOrange|HarryOrange]] ([[User talk:HarryOrange|talk]]) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Motherboard: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186150 Foxconn A7DA-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail]


:[https://blog.google/technology/google-deepmind/google-gemini-ai-update-december-2024/ Here]? &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Processor: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103678&Tpk=AMD%20Athlon%20X2%207850 AMD Athlon X2 7850 Black Edition Kuma 2.8GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core Processor - Retail]
::OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. [[User:HarryOrange|HarryOrange]] ([[User talk:HarryOrange|talk]]) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 15 =
Memory: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220227 Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G6400ELK - Retail]


==Questions About New Laptop Computer==
Video card: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130395 EVGA 01G-P3-N959-TR GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail ]
My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
===Cursor Jumping Randomly===
Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Wikipedia in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with?
[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


:First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Hard drive: [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320 Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ]
:Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: [https://www.technewstoday.com/how-to-disable-touchpad-on-hp-laptop/ how to disable touchpad on hp laptop]. Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic [[wikt:caret|caret]] jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.
:The term ''caret'' or ''insertion point'' is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;">&nbsp;Card&nbsp;Zero&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, [[User:Card Zero]]. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


===Network File Sharing===
Optical drive: [http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280340586075 SAMSUNG SH-S223Q LIGHTSCRIBE DVD±RW DVD-MULTI 22x S-ATA]
With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer?
[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


:@[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] Did you try [https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/file-sharing-over-a-network-in-windows-b58704b2-f53a-4b82-7bc1-80f9994725bf this]? <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"> <span style="color:ForestGreen;font-size:15px"> [[W:EN:User:TheTechie|<span style="color:#803280">TheTechie@enwiki</span>]]</span> (<span style="color:#324c80">she/they</span> {{pipe}} [[User talk:TheTechie|<span style="color:rgb(90,50,128)">talk</span>]]) </span> 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
If I've missed anything vital (I already have speakers, a mouse, keyboard, etc.), please mention it as well, as this is the first computer I've ever seriously considered building. Any advice or explanation about the building process would also be appreciated. Also, I'm planning on getting Windows 7 when it comes out- what version of it will I need to get? Oh, and the budget I was trying to stay within was about $700, although I could stretch farther if absolutely necessary. Thanks for the help! [[Special:Contributions/24.247.163.175|24.247.163.175]] ([[User talk:24.247.163.175|talk]]) 01:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Parts look OK, except that you should get a minimum of a 9600GT for a 'gaming' computer. This will need a slightly better power supply - about 600W should be OK. Memory is fine (4G) and I can't comment on the AMD components as I prefer Intel... but they should be fine (dual core). [[User:Sandman30s|Sandman30s]] ([[User talk:Sandman30s|talk]]) 09:19, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::[[User:TheTechie]] - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::A good 460W power supply would give more then enough headroom for that computer, even with the 9600GT. [http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3075&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=210] [http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=6] [http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3413] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 11:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


= December 19 =
:::(this is the OP, just on a different computer now!) So if I were to switch out that card for [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130360&Tpk=EVGA%209600%20gt this] one, it should be good? [[Special:Contributions/204.38.47.171|204.38.47.171]] ([[User talk:204.38.47.171|talk]]) 17:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Perfectly fine. Also, make sure you motherboard supports PCI Express v2.0 (not version 1) so that you can get full benefit out of that card. I have a similar setup and all modern games right perfectly well on 1280x1024 resolution. Of course a 9800GT is better but that could blow your budget! [[User:Sandman30s|Sandman30s]] ([[User talk:Sandman30s|talk]]) 19:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


==Scanning all available streams==
== TI Basic vs. Python ==


Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. [[User:Ccv2020|Ccv2020]] ([[User talk:Ccv2020|talk]]) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm translating a TI-89 Basic program into Python, and I'm wondering... is there a Python equivalent of TI-Basic's "cycle" command? --Lucas Brown 42 03:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lucas Brown 42|Lucas Brown 42]] ([[User talk:Lucas Brown 42|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucas Brown 42|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[http://docs.python.org/tutorial/controlflow.html "continue"] [[User:Rckrone|Rckrone]] ([[User talk:Rckrone|talk]]) 04:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


: [[nmap]] -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]]'''··–·'''[[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
== Consequences of opening a port ==


== .kp domains ==
Hello, tech-savvy Wikipedians! I wanted to open a port through my laptop's firewall so that the parents' computer in another city can establish a connection over the Internet to my laptop and send data back and forth. However, I am not aware of the security risks of opening a port. So my questions are 1. How does opening a port affect the security of my system? and 2. What steps can I take to let my parents' computer in while keeping the "bad guys" out? Thank you!--[[User:El aprendelenguas|el '''Apre'''l]] (<sup>[[Special:Contributions/El aprendelenguas|facta]]</sup>-<sub>[[User talk:El aprendelenguas|facienda]]</sub>) 04:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:It depends entirely on (1) what port you're talking about, (2) what program will listen on the port, and (3) the settings for the program.--[[User:Drknkn|Drknkn]] ([[User talk:Drknkn|talk]]) 07:58, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


How many .kp domains are there? [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::I will make a Java program that listens on the port. Does that mean I can explicitly control what computers can establish a connection with mine by using a password, for instance, or a <code>long</code> that holds an identification value in the program? Then, does that mean as long as my Java program isn't running, the port is essentially "closed" and won't permit a connection because there's no program listening on it? Also, I didn't know the port number mattered. I had a look at the [[List of TCP and UDP port numbers]] article and thought I could pick any of the private ports between 49152–65535. Is that a bad idea?--[[User:El aprendelenguas|el '''Apre'''l]] (<sup>[[Special:Contributions/El aprendelenguas|facta]]</sup>-<sub>[[User talk:El aprendelenguas|facienda]]</sub>) 19:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Did you see [[.kp#Existing_and_externally_accessible_domain_list]]? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, and I did just take a look at my <code>netstat</code> and will make sure to pick a private port that isn't already being used by internal processes on my system.--[[User:El aprendelenguas|el '''Apre'''l]] (<sup>[[Special:Contributions/El aprendelenguas|facta]]</sup>-<sub>[[User talk:El aprendelenguas|facienda]]</sub>) 19:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Specific ports are not inherently "more risky" - but if you pick a port which is commonly used to host another widespread software service, you might find statistically more random "probes" by random drive-by portscanners. Your Java program can verify the IP of who is connecting - so you can use specific-host-only connections (if you trust a specific IP, e.g. your parents' PC); the IP connecting to you can not be spoofed (unless your parents' PC is a "man in the middle" proxying somebody else's attack). You can use a Secure Socket in Java, and you can implement any of a variety of custom authorization verification handshaking protocols. It's very unlikely that an automated port scanner would guess a particular long authentication byte sequence "password" - which you could send in plain-text, or hash against the current UTC time and host IP, to make it more secure. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 20:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, [[User:Gnu779|Gnu779]] ([[User talk:Gnu779|talk]]) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


: Home-brewing your own network protocol generally isn't necessary, and may open up security problems you haven't considered. I'd generally recommend running a secure-shell server like [[OpenSSH]] (on a non-standard port, so you don't have to look at so much port-knocking noise in the logs). With that you can tunnel anything you want, from windows and unix networking protocols to remote screen protocols link VNC; and if you really need to write your own protocol, it's probably easier to write a non-secured version of it, and tunnel that through SSH too. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 21:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::In Java, wrapping the protocol in SSL would be possible using [http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/security/ Security], e.g. the [http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/enwiki/api/javax/net/ssl/SSLSocket.html SSLSocket] (with SSL implemented by Sun, not by OpenSSH). (Or you could tunnel through an OpenSSH session). I was under the impression that el Aprel ''specifically wanted'' to write his/her own network protocol; but as Finlay rightly points out, much can be accomplished with standard tools like [[Secure copy|scp]]. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 21:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


:::Thanks, everyone! Yes, my original intention was to construct it all by myself using Java, but I was reluctant because I didn't understand the security factors involved. Your responses really helped clear it up for me. Thank you!--[[User:El aprendelenguas|el '''Apre'''l]] (<sup>[[Special:Contributions/El aprendelenguas|facta]]</sup>-<sub>[[User talk:El aprendelenguas|facienda]]</sub>) 20:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


== 3-Sat ==
= December 24 =
I was wondering, are the complexity classes of algorithms used to solve the 3-Sat descion problem determined based upon the number of actual variables or the number of expressions? For example, would the input size of (a + !a + b) AND (b + !b + a) AND (a + a + a) be 2 since {a,b} has 2 elements or 3 since 3 expressions are being conjuncted? (Obvbiously, this example can be very easily reduced down to fewer expressions, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/66.202.66.78|66.202.66.78]] ([[User talk:66.202.66.78|talk]]) 07:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would say it is 9, the number of literals you have to write to write out the expression. --[[User:Spoon!|Spoon!]] ([[User talk:Spoon!|talk]]) 07:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::So, essentially, it is the number of expressions since this is just 3 times the number of literals? In short, input size is related to the number of literals, not the number of variables used in those literals? Thanks:) [[Special:Contributions/66.202.66.78|66.202.66.78]] ([[User talk:66.202.66.78|talk]]) 07:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::It's NP complete in either case. Because worst case behaivor will occur when the number of different literals are within a polynomial factor of the size of the expression. [[User:Taemyr|Taemyr]] ([[User talk:Taemyr|talk]]) 08:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Final Fantasy Tactics ==
- While I'm here, I have another question. I always liked the battle system in FFT and was wondering if there was a program that would let you set up the characters, conditions, and terrains and have a multiplayer battle in a similair fashion; namely, could one get something like the FFT battle engine, but set it up so that it is two players without computer controlled characters? If this is not possible, how hard would it be to program something like this? What would be a good language to do it in? (I've often tossed around the idea of making my own, I just don't have that much experience with game programming; though I do have experience with other areas. Note: I really don't care about the quality of the graphics, just the system.) Actually, while here, I would like to ask the same question, only with regards to FF7 Chocobo racing portion from the Golden Saucer. (Again, this doesn't need to be an exact duplicate, just something related that I could customize and, possibly, mess around with the actual code) Thanks:) [[Special:Contributions/66.202.66.78|66.202.66.78]] ([[User talk:66.202.66.78|talk]]) 07:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:I searched for [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=197339&topic=51302490 existing implementations]; I don't know what "SuperTact" is unless it's the C64 game. I also found [http://www.fftrealm.com/ FFT Realm]; I don't know how close it is to what you want.
:As for implementing it yourself, it shouldn't be very hard if you're willing to forego (sophisticated) graphics and network play (so all players must be at the same computer). The [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197339/3876 rules] are well-known. However, expect that reimplementing every character class and spell from FFT to take as long as to write that guide (at least).
:If you already know any general-purpose programming languages (you said you "do have experience with other areas"), you'll probably be most effective with what you know. Otherwise, I'd suggest Java or Python, because they're well supported, widely used, have extensive standard libraries for graphics and (if you try it) networking, and are said to be easy to learn. (I'm afraid I don't know anything about Chocobo racing.) --[[User:Tardis|Tardis]] ([[User talk:Tardis|talk]]) 01:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Choice of Motherboard ==

There is two mobo of Gigabyte in my choice

*GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R

*GIGABYTE GA-EP45T-UD3R

Which one i should choose? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.30.36.51|119.30.36.51]] ([[User talk:119.30.36.51|talk]]) 11:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The big difference between these two motherboards is one supports DDR3 and the other DDR2. As DDR2 is still significantly cheaper then DDR3 I would recommend you stick with it. You're unlikely to see any performance difference in the vast majority of real world applications e.g. [http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989] [http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/255223-30-ddr2-ddr3-core] so the only real benefit would be being able to use the RAM in a future DDR3 computer but given the price that's not likely to be a big advantage and the advantage is the ability to upgrade the RAM in the future for a reasonable price (since DDR3 will eventually overtake DDR2 in price and then will get cheaper) but again if you get 4GB now (and given the price there's little reason not to) there's not likely to be any real reason to upgrade in the future I would expect. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 11:58, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:DDR3 2GB modules are now at price parity with DDR2, and DDR2 prices appear to be going UP not down. DDR3 4gb modules are still much more expensive than ddr2 though. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 21:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

::I guess this depends where you live. It's not the case here in New Zealand where DDR3 is at least 25% more. Obviously I'm only considering 2x2gb, anything else isn't worth considering unless the OP has specific needs IMHO. If DDR3 is at price parity then I would agree DDR3 is probably the better bet. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 11:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Even in cases where DDR3 are a little more expensive, it's worth something to [[future-proof]]. If it were me and the two boards were priced the same I would get the DDR3 version. ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 00:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::::It depends on your budget but I would regard 25% (actually probably more then that from what I've seen) as significantly more expensive that you have to ask yourself what for? In this case, a big question is future proof against what? As I've mentioned, given the current price of RAM, the advantage of being able to use your RAM in a future computer is IMHO pretty much worthless (particularly since in most places you could easily sell your DDR2 RAM for a fair amount if it comes down to that). So the only real advantage which I also mentioned would be being able to upgrade RAM in the future (any decent RAM should have a lifetime warranty so having to replace broken RAM is not an issue) at a more decent price and with larger sticks (since it is unlikely we will see 4gb DDR2 sticks but I would expect 4gb DDR3 sticks to eventually take hold and become a recent price). If you are a gamer, simulatenous edit very large photos, do CAD or 3D work, edit HDTV, run a database or otherwise may really need such a large amount of RAM in the future then it may be worth considering. But in reality, the average user doesn't really need even 4gb nowadays, the only reason I recommend it is because it's the only sensible option (well unless you're looking at triple channel) given the pricing unless on a very, very tight budget (which is unlikely given the motherboards being considered). I'm usually a big fan of and there are clearly cases when future proofing clearly makes sense. For example, if in 2005 you were choosing between an AGP or PCI-express motherboard, you'd likely be rather miffed if you choose the AGP particularly if you are a gamer and in other cases like if you want a card for hte h264 etc bitstreaming. It's perhaps worth remembering we're talking about a dying platform. The socket 775 platform is being phased out. If you are considering a dual core now you may want to upgrade to a quad core in 2 years or less if you're likely to need it. Beyond that, it's likely to make less sense since even if socket 775 processors are still available, there's a good chance they'll be rather expensive for what you get particularly for the quad cores (as someone with a socket 939 processor I know this). You'll never see more then a quadcore. And, there are only going to be very few circumstances where you're likely to want 8gb with a dual core processor. So unless you're seriously considering a quad core now or in the future, another reason to ask yourself if you really need it? It's also worth considering it in an all round sense. The money may not be much, but it's still something. Where else could you spend the money? In fact if you think there's a slight possibility you may want to upgrade to 8gb you should consider some sort of cost/benefit. History with DDR and SDRAM would suggest the price for DDR2 ram is probably not going to get super expensive. RAM prices fluctate quite a lot but it's resonable to expect in 2 to 3 years time DDR2 ram will be a similar relative price then as it is now. DDR3 will have come down a lot so that it will seem expensive, however even so the amount you save now may mean the price difference you're paying isn't actually as big as it seems. You will be stuck using 4 sticks (whereas with DDR3 you can sell or do something else with your RAM and probably use 2x4gb if you want albeit this will add cost and your 2x2gb sticks DDR3 won't be worth much unlike your DDR2 sticks) and have little chance of using 16gb. Maybe even saving it and upgrading sooner may make sense. Incidentally, as someone who's used Windows x64 (first XP now Vista) for 3 years+ I can say the number of Windows x64 applications is still rather low. Many professional apps are finally coming around to this but unless you use them, there's a good chance most of your applications will be x32. This is a key point since if your apps are x32 they themselves are never going to be able to use more then 4gb so you'll only gain an advantage with multitasking of extensively memory hungry apps. I'm pretty sure quite a few aren't even large bit aware so can't even use more then 2gb. I used to think people skimped way to much on RAM. But as I've said, it seems to me we're starting to reach a level where the demands have slowed* so even 4gb is not really necessary even if IMHO the only sensible option. Even most Vista users don't really need 4gb and Windows 7 and netbooks have seemingly improved the situation. If this switch to cloud computing really happens well there will be even less need. I'm sure in 3-5 years there will be quite a few more people that need more that need more then 4gb but I also think you have to ask yourself whether it's resonable you'll be one of them and if not what you're futureproofing against? *It isn't just RAM of course, many people have argued the same thing with processors. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 11:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Visual Studio 6 & Crystal Report 2008 ==

I have installed '''Visual Basic 6''' and '''Crystal Report 2008''' in my computer. But I cannot run Crystal Report from within Visual Basic as the Report Designer option is not shown in the '''Add-Ins Menu''' . What I should do to solve this problem. Please help me. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/59.161.97.110|59.161.97.110]] ([[User talk:59.161.97.110|talk]]) 15:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Excel question ==

This is such a simple question but I have a problem that's driving me BONKERS.

When I am using excel, very frequently when I click on a cell or a line, it will select 2, 3, or 4 cells/lines below it. I can't get it to stop doing this. It seems to happen at random and has nothing to do with the doc itself, the formatting, previous actions, or anything else. It will keep happening for 2-3 minutes and then suddenly it will stop and I can select 1 cell/line again. My colleagues report this issue all the time and no one has a clue why it happens or how to stop it.

I'm sure there is a MS Office savvy person who knows exactly why this happens and how to fix it. Please advise! [[User:Gohome00|Gohome00]] ([[User talk:Gohome00|talk]]) 16:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:There must be some error that occured during installation. Has this always happened? if yes, buy and reinstall it. if not, Your computer must have some sort of bug...[[User:Accdude92|Accdude92]] ([[User talk:Accdude92|talk]]) ([[User:Accdude92/guestbook|sign]]) 16:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

::"Your computer must have some sort of bug"? Please do not guess. [[User:Comet Tuttle|Comet Tuttle]] ([[User talk:Comet Tuttle|talk]]) 17:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:To be clear, does this happen on multiple computers when working only with a particular Excel doc, or is it any Excel doc? What version of Excel? I'm wondering if you have one particular doc in which a bunch of cells have been merged, so the behavior when clicking on one of the merged cells is not what you'd expect not knowing they had been merged. [[User:Comet Tuttle|Comet Tuttle]] ([[User talk:Comet Tuttle|talk]]) 17:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It happens with any and all docs, including those created by other sources and other offices. It happens on multiple computers. Definitely has nothing to do with merges. I could create a document right now thats just a list of my friend's names, and it might happen. Or it might not. No clear pattern. It seems that many of my colleagues just deal with it and treat it like "one of those things". Excel is always trying to "help" you by doing frustrating things automatically, such as creating formulas where you don't want them. I am assuming that's what's happening here.

We use whatever the newest version of MS office is. It has happened to me before on other computers in other jobs - I've just never had to work so much with excel, so now it's driving me crazy. [[User:Gohome00|Gohome00]] ([[User talk:Gohome00|talk]]) 17:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:Would it be possible to take a screenshot of the screen (Print Scrn key, then open Accessories>Paint, then Paste, then save as a jpeg) immediately upon its occurrence, and post it (to a photobucket or Flickr account perhaps) and post a link to it? I have used Excel for many years and I don't recognize the symptom you're describing. [[User:Comet Tuttle|Comet Tuttle]] ([[User talk:Comet Tuttle|talk]]) 20:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

* Gohome00, I would bet that this has something to do with your typing or clicking habits. If you are holding down SHIFT or CTRL when you click it will select more then one cell at a time. SHIFT selects every sell between the initial cell and the finial cell in a square shape, CTRL selects the initial cell and the clicked cell. If the mouse is moving when you click it's possible to select two or more cells at a time. If you dial down the mouse sensitivity (speed) it might prevent this. I hope that helps, -----[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 00:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Blender physical objects ==

I know that there is some company that you can send Blender files to, and then they will somehow "print" these, so a (plastic?) physical model is created, and then they send back the model to the customer. But I seem to have forgotten the name (and website URL) of the company. Any ideas? --[[Special:Contributions/81.227.64.69|81.227.64.69]] ([[User talk:81.227.64.69|talk]]) 19:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:We have an article on [[3D printing]] - there are a lot of companies that can do this. I think we sent [[.dwg]] files to our 3D printer when we prototyped things - there are probably hundred of companies that can contract small 3D print jobs these days. A [http://www.bing.com/search?q=3D+printing web search for 3D Printing] turns up many contract shops you can choose from to match your price and technical needs. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 20:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:: These services certainly exist - but are really expensive. For a one-off, they are the cheapest (and only) route. But if you need to do this a lot, you might also like to look at the "[[RepRap]]" project and also things like the [[MakerBot]]. These small machines can be built for relatively low cost ([http://store.makerbot.com/cupcake-cnc.html $750 in kit-form] - about $400 if you make it yourself from scratch) and it will do exactly what you're asking. The [[RepRap]] machine can even make all of the plastic parts you need to make another RepRap machine! The business end looks like a hot-melt glue gun (although it's hotter and a little more sophisticated) and a pair of motors drives that around in two axes to 'draw' a thin layer of plastic representing a cross-section of your object. A third motor moves the plastic depositor up and down vertically so that the model can be built up layer by layer. It's slow - it could take an hour or more to make even a pretty small object - and there are rather severe restrictions on the size of objects that you can make with it - but compared to the commercial services, it would probably pay for itself after making maybe just a dozen objects.

:: Alternatively if your objects don't have under-cuts - and if you're at all good with tools, you could do as I did and build a [http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Three-Axis-CNC-Machine-Cheaply-and-/ three Axis milling machine] for about $200. I built mine over several weekends using MDF for the major structural parts, aluminium channels and roller-blade bearings as the guide-rails and three stepper motors with long lead-screws to drive a 2hp router motor in the X, Y and Z directions. I used a couple of [[Arduino]] computers to control it using instructions written to an SD memory card - so it doesn't tie up my PC for hours at time. Mine will carve wood and some sorts of plastic pretty efficiently at sizes up to 4'x3'x9" - and with precision of about a millimeter or so. It can also cut metal - but you have to go very slowly and lubricate the cutting surface - which is a major pain. You can drive it from all sorts of 3D file formats from existing OpenSourced software. It doesn't have the versatility of the plastic deposition machines like RepRap - but it's cheap to make and can produce much larger and more robust work-pieces than those plastic deposition machines. My longer term plan is to use the CNC milling machine to make the parts for my own design of 3D printer...and to make a smaller five-axis CNC machine with a Dremel as the cutting tool. That machine would be able to make under-cuts and such like.

:: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 04:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== slow file copying speed ==

I have a Thinkpad T61 laptop running Ubuntu 8.04. The laptop has an internal SATA hard drive and also a plug-in bay with a second hard drive (you can put an optical drive there instead if you want). The second HD is also SATA but I'm pretty sure the plug-in bay has a SATA-PATA bridge inside. Both drives have ext3 file systems. Anyway, I tried copying a 4gb .iso file from the internal drive to the plug-in drive and after a while, the transfer slowed to around 5MB/sec, which just seems pathetic. Copying from the internal drive to an external USB drive gets around 5x that speed (though much more cpu load). It's not the speed of the PATA bus either. I unmounted and remounted the plug-in drive, then catted the copied file to /dev/null and got about 60MB/sec transfer. So why was the original copying so slow? It was slow whether I used cp, dd, or rsync. The computer has tons of ram and was not heavily loaded at the time of the tests. Any ideas? [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 21:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Those rates (5MB/sec and 60 MB/sec) very closely match the transfer speeds for USB 1.1 and 2.0. Probably, for whatever reason, the plug-in drive was originally only recognized as a USB 1.x compliant device; on reconnecting, the correct driver was detected and loaded, and the device functioned with full USB 2.0 speed. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 21:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Erm, now I'm confused - which drive was the slow one - the bay drive (which should not have been a USB device); or the external drive? [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 21:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)</strike>
:::I think I got it - it was slow between the internal SATA drive and the bay-drive - probably because these devices share the same [[southbridge]]/[[Conventional PCI|peripheral controller]]; but the data can not go directly from disk-drive-1 to disk-drive-2 (it must [[Direct Memory Access|go to main memory]], at least - and may have to actually use the CPU). Thus the memory-northbridge-southbridge bandwidth is split in half. The case of an external USB drive does not share the PCI bus - so this bandwidth is not bottlenecked, and the full USB transfer speed is possible. There are still a few curious issues with the numbers; you could benchmark a lot more to really narrow down where the real worst-case performance happens to locate what the bottleneck is (but it may not be worthwhile, depending on how often you need high performance data transfer). [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 21:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:Whoa, something weird is going on, catting the file from the INTERNAL drive to /dev/null just took 16 minutes (4 MB/sec). I wonder if something is wrong with the internal drive. I'm trying another copy with a different large file. Just last night I backed up the drive to an external USB 2.0 drive and got 20+ MB/sec transfer. But I see no error messages in "dmesg" or syslog. Anyway, there are 3 drives: 1) internal SATA, should be directly on PCI bus and fast. 2) Plug-in bay drive, on SATA-PATA bridge that should be on the bus; 3) external USB 2.0 drive. There is also a 4th possibility, which is that I have an ExpressCard eSATA adapter (plugs into internal PCIe if I understand properly) that I can connect an external drive to, but I haven't tried that yet. Right now, something seems flat-out wrong with the internal drive, like maybe it has gotten in some weird DMA mode. I wonder how to diagnose this. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 21:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::It occurs to me, I have a lot of browser tabs and other windows open though quiet, and the system is not thrashing, but it's sort of possible that some javascript or something is doing steady disk i/o causing head contention on the main drive. I will reboot the computer and try repeating the copy with nothing else running. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 22:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, I haven't rebooted, but found that copying other files from the internal SATA drive goes fairly fast, like 30MB/sec. It's only THESE PARTICULAR FILES (two .iso's that I downloaded last night) that transfer slowly, including cp or cat'ing them to /dev/null. This is weird. File system fragmentation? Bad spots on the disk? I don't see any syslog messages. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 22:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Rebol v Python - which is better? ==

I've only programmed with basic and logo previously, and I want to learn a more up to date language that will allow me to interact with the web and with Windows or Linux. Although the Wikipedia article about [[Rebol]] is a very dry formal description (*) that does not do the language justice and makes it appear totally unsuitable for the casual user or beginner, the tutorials here http://www.musiclessonz.com/rebol_tutorial.html make the language very alluring. (* Its as if the [[Motorcycle]] article was like this: "A /motorcycle/ is an electro-mechanical device which transforms the chemical energy of hydrocarbons into kinetic energy....").

Can anyone put the case for Python and say why I should learn Python rather than Rebol? I am only going to learn to use one language. Speed of learning and quick programming (not program speed) are what is important to me. It would only be for ocassional casual use. It looks like Rebol can do things in a single line of code (see http://www.rebol.com/oneliners.html for example) that would take pages in other languages, and also that I can do web things with it that would be too complicated for me to attempt in other languages. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/78.149.130.188|78.149.130.188]] ([[User talk:78.149.130.188|talk]]) 21:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Rebol is far less common, so you will have a harder time tracking down references, resources, and fellow humans who can help you with conceptual and technical issues. Python has an enormous user-base. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 21:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:With great user base come great many quality libraries. From [http://www.pythonogre.com/ 3d game engines] to [http://docs.sympy.org/ symbolic math] to [http://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseInterfaces interfaces for most databases in existence], and this is only scratching the surface. In strict contrast to rebol, python can do everything. However, many languages exist because a single one cannot fit all tasks, right tool for the right problem, and other hippie stories apply. --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 23:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies but sorry I think that is less than convincing evidence for the superiority of Python. Python may have a big-user base prescence on the web because getting it to do some things are difficult/complicated, while with Rebol these same thing may only require one or two command words. Some of the appeal of Rebol to me is that it has some of the features of Forth, a language whose simplicity of structure appeals to me. Gosh, I think I'm falling in love. [[Special:Contributions/78.147.27.136|78.147.27.136]] ([[User talk:78.147.27.136|talk]]) 10:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:It seems you have already made your decision, but I can't resist saying python isn't difficult. Below is a python program that brings up a quit button that does what it says. It's quite readable even if you don't know python and the details can be learnt in less than a day from [http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-Introduction.html a pygtk tutorial].

{{hidden|pygtk sample|
<source lang=python>
#!/usr/bin/python
import gtk

w = gtk.Window (gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
b = gtk.Button ('QUIT')
b.connect ('pressed', gtk.main_quit)
w.connect ('delete-event', gtk.main_quit)
w.add (b)
w.show_all ()

gtk.main ()
</source>
}}

:A simple command line movie player using the [[gstreamer]] framework

{{hidden|gstreamer sample|
<source lang=python>
#!/usr/bin/python
import sys
import gobject
import gst

loop = gobject.MainLoop ()
player = gst.element_factory_make ('playbin2', 'player')
player.set_property ('uri', sys.argv[1])

bus = player.get_bus ()
bus.add_signal_watch ()
bus.connect ('message::eos', lambda dummy, d2: loop.quit ())

player.set_state (gst.STATE_PLAYING)
loop.run ()

player.set_state (gst.STATE_NULL)
</source>
}}

:Finally a simple web browser with [[webkit]], without an address bar because I'm feeling lazy

{{hidden|webkit sample|
<source lang=python>
#!/usr/bin/python
import gobject
import gtk
import webkit

gobject.threads_init ()

window = gtk.Window (gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)

scrolled = gtk.ScrolledWindow (None)
scrolled.set_policy (gtk.POLICY_AUTOMATIC, gtk.POLICY_AUTOMATIC)

webview = webkit.WebView ()
frame = webview.get_main_frame ()
frame.load_uri ('http://www.google.com/')

scrolled.add (webview)
window.add (scrolled)

window.connect ('delete-event', gtk.main_quit)
window.show_all ()

gtk.main ()
</source>
}}

:These are best taken as examples of not so good programming practise, but hopefully they show python isn't "difficult". --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 17:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry again I'm less than convinced. This is a complete Rebol program for a GUI to send an email:


view layout [e: field "Email" s: field "Subject" m: area "Body" btn "Send"[send/subject to-email e/text m/text s/text alert "ok"]]


A web site editor:


view layout[f: field btn"Edit"[editor to-url f/text]]


Taken from the 'one liners' link above. The program examples previously given by 194.197 may only require a few words in Rebol. The Python script for a button seems very elaborate: in Rebol I think it would just be two or three words. Could any Python programmer have a look at the one-liners link above, and the Cookbook external link at the [[Rebol]] article, and tell me if things with equal conciseness can be done with Python? [[Special:Contributions/78.151.108.233|78.151.108.233]] ([[User talk:78.151.108.233|talk]]) 10:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Conciseness is not the only goal, readability is important too. People think slower than they type. As for the button example, any larger program would use a [[Glade Interface Designer|gui designer]] which would cut down the source lines a lot and make future layout changes easier. It looks to me that rebol has a lot of complex built-in functionality bind to short commands, but it should also be considered how much control you are given over the details. For example in [[bourne shell|sh]] it's trivial to make an multi-featured image manipulation program, you just type gimp<enter>. Below is a python program that creates a window with a bunch of chinese characters spinning in it and terminates when the window is closed. I don't know if rebol can do the same.

{{hide|chinese chars|
<source lang=python>
#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

import gobject
import gtk

def spin_cb (label):
label.set_angle (label.get_angle () + 5)
return True

w = gtk.Window (gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
l = gtk.Label ('中國')
w.add (l)
gobject.timeout_add (50, spin_cb, l)
w.connect ('delete-event', gtk.main_quit)
w.show_all ()

gtk.main ()
</source>
}}

:quicksort in python (normally you would just the .sort method of course), not quite as short as rebol's but short enough

{{hide|quicksort|
<source lang=python>
q = lambda l: l if l == [] else q ([x for x in l[1:] if x < l[0]]) + [l[0]] + q ([x for x in l[1:] if x >= l[0]])
</source>
}}

:this one returns all primes less than n

{{hide|primes|
<source lang=python>
s = lambda n: [p for p in range (2, n) if all ([p % x != 0 for x in range (2, p)])]
</source>
}}

--[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 14:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== How to install cURL? ==

When I download cURL for Windows XP, I get a zip file. In the zip file are curl.exe, some dills, and some text files. When I click on curl.exe a black window openms up and then immediately closes. How should I install cURL? Its irritating that the information that people would obviously need is completely omitted from the instructions, similarly with wget. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/78.149.130.188|78.149.130.188]] ([[User talk:78.149.130.188|talk]]) 21:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

: Extract all the files in the .ZIP into a folder you've made (say c:/Program Files/curl). [[cURL]] is a command-line program, so you need to open the windows command line (run->cmd.exe), cd into the folder you made for cURL, and run curl.exe with options that make it do what you want. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 21:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:Further, wget is also a command line program. That "black box" is the console. I don't know why Windows makes it die instantly. If it stayed open, you'd see some console output. To use either curl or wget, you need to type (ignore the mouse). If you want a click and view program that shows web pages, there are many: IE, Firefox, Opera, Chrome... -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 21:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Would it be sensible to copy the contents of the zip file into c:\ or c:\windows, so that I do not have to change directories after opening the console window? What I would like to do with either of them is to download the text from a series of pages by only following the "next page" links and not following any other link. Anyone got any idea how I could do that please? [[Special:Contributions/78.149.130.188|78.149.130.188]] ([[User talk:78.149.130.188|talk]]) 22:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:You can put those files on your [[Path (variable)]] by either adding them to a system directory (c:\windows\system32, for example); or placing them somewhere and adding that directory to your path. Or, you can put them in a folder somewhere, and manually type the full location of that program from any other [[current working directory]]; eg. "c:\programs\wget\wget.exe (arguments)" . [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 22:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

::When I was using Windows I'd put command programs in a single directory (e.g. e:\utils) and put that directory in the path. Command-line programs are very useful and the great majority of them have few files that are really needed, so it's easy for a dozen or more programs to coexist in the same directory. Wget (which I happen to make great use of outside Windows) is a particularly excellent (if limited) program but do read the instructions about recursive downloading carefully before use, or else you may have one or other kind of surprise. Sorry I don't know the answer to your specific question but I imagine that these "next page" links have an easily identifiable set of filenames, and if you can't easily get wget to get these filenames and little more, then simply get the whole of the relevant section of the site and then delete the stuff that's of no interest to you. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just realised I could do what I want, regarding following the "next page" link only, by combining lines 6 and 42 from the Rebol language one-line programs here http://www.rebol.com/oneliners.html [[Special:Contributions/78.151.108.233|78.151.108.233]] ([[User talk:78.151.108.233|talk]]) 11:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Converting WAV to MIDI ==

I have several WAV sound files that I need to convert into MIDI format. What's a free program that will do this? Mediaconverter.org doesn't convert to or from MIDIs for some reason. --[[Special:Contributions/75.10.49.150|75.10.49.150]] ([[User talk:75.10.49.150|talk]]) 22:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:A WAV file contains samples of the sound wave, several thousands per second. Consequently, any sound may be represented as a WAV data file. A MIDI file, however, is merely a sequence of instrument names, notes, and velocities, and thus only (relatively) simple music may be represented as a MIDI file. Among other things, song and general sound effects cannot be represented as a sequence of notes. In fact, you can compare WAV files to bitmap images, and MIDI files to vector images. A bitmap image contains the colour value at each pixel (millions of them per image), and a vector image file contains only a list of objects (circle, line, etc.) and their attributes (colour, line width, etc.). Thus it is easy to convert a MIDI file to a WAV file, and a vector image to a bitmap image, but it is extremely difficult to do it in the other direction. --[[User:Andreas Rejbrand|Andreas Rejbrand]] ([[User talk:Andreas Rejbrand|talk]]) 22:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::Then is there any way to play a WAV file in JAVA without freezing the rest of the program? The only method I could find for playing WAV files in JAVA froze the program until the sound file was done playing. --[[Special:Contributions/75.10.49.150|75.10.49.150]] ([[User talk:75.10.49.150|talk]]) 22:19, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, you might want to consider learning about [[Asynchronous I/O]] for some background theory, and [[Thread (computer science)|creating a separate thread]] for the audio I/O. [http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/enwiki/api/java/lang/Thread.html Java Thread]s are basically built into the language, and are fairly straightforward - you will need to instantiate a thread and and provide it with a run() function that performs the audio playback. If you are using the newest [http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/enwiki/api/javax/sound/sampled/Clip.html Sampled Sound in javax.sound.sampled], then the default start() and stop() methods are already asynchronous (threaded), so you don't have to do this manually. Depending what your audio needs are, this may be the best audio package. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 22:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:WAV to MIDI is essentially impossible. WAV is like the recording of an orchestra playing - MIDI is like the printed score sheets that the musicians were reading from at the time. There is software (and hardware) that can extract note information from the pitch of the music - but it's really patchy and doesn't work for anything but simplest single-instrument recordings. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 03:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

There is some software that does this, although its a long time since I last considered it. I recall there was some pay-for software, not sure if there were any free versions. Update: A simple search for wav midi in Google produces several results regarding conversion. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&newwindow=1&q=wav+midi&meta= [[Special:Contributions/78.147.27.136|78.147.27.136]] ([[User talk:78.147.27.136|talk]]) 10:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Internet trouble ==

*I have windows xp professional.
*I am using a lynksys wireless usb adapter to access my wireless connection
*I have at&t u verse as my isp
*My internet is really slow, and it frequently disconnects
*This has been happening for a while now.
*If you need any more info, ask.[[User:Accdude92|Accdude92]] ([[User talk:Accdude92|talk]]) ([[User:Accdude92/guestbook|sign]]) 22:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

: The obvious first thing to try is to connect to your router with an ethernet cable; this will tell you whether the problem is a local wireless problem, or a problem with the internet connection as a whole. Diagnosis and fixes for these two kinds of error are often very <s>difficult</s>edit: different. In the meantime, stop all peer-to-peer programs like Bittorrent; in my experience consumer DSL routers can inexplicably exhaust some internal resource, and become fatally horked when confronted with the torrent (sic) of traffic such programs throw at them. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 22:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:(e/c) Thanks for providing a useful amount of information. If the problem turns out to be with the WiFi, there are several fixes you can try. Obviously, you need to be within range for it to work. What is the signal strength as reported by Windows? A recently purchased wireless router should have the strength to cover a two- or three-storey house. Piggybacking on the neighbour's WiFi does not usually get the speed or stability that you want. Do you know the brand and model number of your router? Other quick fixes: if there are many other wireless networks in the area, then you might want to change the broadcast channel. Most routers default to channel 6 - try changing to channel 1 or 11. Some cordless phones and microwaves also emit the same frequency (~2.4 GHz). For me, changing to channel 11 solved an interference problem with a neighbour's router. It's all trial-and-error. If possible, you can move your router to a better location, away from the computer and in the centre of the range of which you wish to connect to the network. [[User:Xenon54|Xenon54]] / [[User talk:Xenon54|talk]] / 22:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Another thing to look at is possible over-heating of your router. I recall having a similar problem a while back. - [[User:Akamad|Akamad]] ([[User talk:Akamad|talk]]) 23:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:I used that AT&T service on my wife's machine for a while - it was awful. As you say - poor bandwidth, patchy connections, generally a total disaster. I carefully documented the problems - worked with them patiently for a month while they tried to fix it, making all sorts of ridiculous claims that it was my computer (I used three different one - they couldn't all be at fault) - they claimed that "Windows needs to be rebooted once a day to keep the networking reliable" (possibly reasonable advice - but I was using Linux!), etc, etc. Then I demanded (and got) all of my money back for the whole 60 days I'd been using it and the refunded the price of my network adapter too. I switched to RoadRunner - things have been working just fine since then. So I don't think you should blame XP or the wireless adapter until you've hassled the AT&T helpline a bunch of times. It's very likely to be the AT&T service. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 03:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:One diagnostic thing you might try out is to see how the connection works when "wired" (you should probably be able to connect to your wireless router with an ethernet cable). Is it faster? More stable? The same? This can at least let you rule out that wireless has anything to do with it. --[[User:Mr.98|Mr.98]] ([[User talk:Mr.98|talk]]) 20:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Using Outlook on 2 Computers ==

I have Outlook 2007 installed on two computers. They are set up the exact same way (same account). However the mail only appears on the first computer I installed it on. Is there anyway i can get around this or do I need to delete it form the first machine I installed it from? [[Special:Contributions/66.133.196.152|66.133.196.152]] ([[User talk:66.133.196.152|talk]]) 23:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

: I'll guess that your are accessing your email account using the [[POP3]] protocol (it's in the account settings screen in Outlook). Very often people's POP3 clients (that's Outlook in your case) are configured to download emails and ''remove'' them from the mail server. You can configure the client to download and ''not'' remove the mail server's copy. That way Both machines can see it (I don't have outlook to hand so I don't know the precise option you'll use). A downside of this is that mail will then build up in your mail server, so you may need to be more diligent about tidying it up yourself (so you don't exceed any quota your ISP may apply). As an alternative to POP3, you may be able to use the [[IMAP]] protocol instead, which is better suited for sharing one email account between multiple machines (you can, for example, create subfolders on the mail server and then file mail as appropriate - and all the email clients see the change almost instantly). -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 23:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

::I wonder if our OP could configure his main machine to download and delete his messages, and configure his secondary machine to only download them &mdash; and keep them marked "un-downloaded" so that when he logs in on his main machine, they'll be downloaded to that machine (for the first time on that machine, and for the 2nd time total) and deleted from the POP3 server. One downside to this juggling act is that the secondary computer won't have access to any e-mails the first computer has downloaded. One alternative, OP, is to set up [[Remote Desktop Services|Windows Remote Desktop]] or [[VNC]] so your 2nd computer merely logs into the 1st computer and sees whatever you'd see on the screen of the first computer. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] ([[User talk:Tempshill|talk]]) 01:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::The least complex way of sharing mail between two computers may be using a webmail interface like what Gmail provides. Gmail will also work with some local mail clients via IMAP but it is less intuitive to keep things synchronized that way. (Is that a new mail that I see, where did I save the sent mail, and so forth). [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:::: Make use of IMAP as suggested - or if this is for business purposes, get an microsoft exchange account and charge it as an expense. --[[User:Cameron Scott|Cameron Scott]] ([[User talk:Cameron Scott|talk]]) 21:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::I suggest choosing IMAP over Exchange, as IMAP is more widely supported. (In fact, I don't know any mail client other than Outlook with Exchange support.) ''--[[User:Grawity|grawity]]'' 19:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::: [[Evolution (software)]] does, kinda, but it does it by webscraping OWA rather than talking the Exchange protocol. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 19:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

= October 17 =

== Computer/HD video ==

What processing speed (in GHZ), what amount of RAM (in MB), and what sort of video output mechanism would be required to view a film on a computer at the following specifications:
Format:MKV
Subtitles stream:SSA encoding
Audio stream:DTS encoding, 6 channels, sampling rate in 48000 HZ
Video stream:1920x1080, frame rate 976215
Duration:1 hour, 40 minutes, 58 seconds
Operating system used:Windows XP
Size on disk of the file:7.87 GB
I am considering the purchase of a new computer and want to ensure that it is capable of running this film. I am also somewhat limited in my budget and want to minimize the cost of this computer, while still viewing the aforementioned film without the player lagging and therefore rendering the film unwatchable.

[[Special:Contributions/97.125.80.88|97.125.80.88]] ([[User talk:97.125.80.88|talk]]) 02:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:First off, the requirements are:
:*A DVD viewing software
:*A DVD drive, CD drives won't work
:*A pretty fast computer.
:At least a 1.4 GHZ processor and about 1 GB of RAM are the requirements I personally would go with. And if you wanna go Blu-Ray, then you're gonna need a Sony Vaio for that. As long as you are playing it back via a DVD drive, it will not affect hard drive space. Hope this helps. [[User:ConCompS|ConCompS]] ([[User talk:ConCompS|talk]]) 04:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::No, the OP isn't asking about viewing video off a DVD disc, it's pretty clear. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] ([[User talk:Tempshill|talk]]) 05:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:You didn't mention the key point, what video codec is the video? For 1080 this would commonly be h264 but doesn't have to be. Also you didn't mention what your current specs are in particular the current processor and motherboard (or at least whether it has a PCIe16 slot available). Most dual core processors, should be able to handle even fairly complicated h264 especially with an efficient codec like h264. However if you already have a decent processor and your computer has a PCIe16 slot available then simply getting a modern ATI or Nvidia card which supports full h264 (and preferably VC-1) bitstreaming would be enough for most files (although a few aren't supported but most nowadays are 'DXVA compatible') and likely to be cheaper, however getting it to work on Windows XP may be a little more difficult then Windows Vista. mHz is an exceptionally poor measure, see [[mHz myth]]. If you are set on getting a new computer, I would suggest a decent dual core (say an E5200/5300 or any Athlon II X2 or Athlon X2 7xxx) and a GPU supporting bitstreaming would sufficiently cover whatever you need [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 11:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Sun javaws on Fedora without SELinux ==

I have Sun (not openjre) javaws on Fedora 11 without SELinux enabled. When I run a jnlp app, my keyboard is disabled on the app. Googling hasn't turned up anything useful. I assume it is a pathetic security issue and I have to jump through hoops to enable the keyboard. I don't mind if they hoops are easy to see. Anyone know where Sun has hidden these? -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 04:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

: I can only say that Sun JavaWS on Ubuntu 9.04 properly opens and displays JNLP apps and delivers keyboard events to them normally. It doesn't make sense for a security property to allow AWT/Swing objects to appear on screen, but to not deliver keyboard events to them, so I really doubt there's a security property that is so granular. If I were to guess, I'd hazard that it's a bad interaction between the window manager and the toplevel window, in that somehow the java app doesn't get focus properly, or doesn't think it does. Try, as a first instance, running the SwingSet2 demo from [http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/desktop/javawebstart/demos.html Sun's demo page] and changing the Look-and-feel (that really shouldn't matter, but clearly something is wrong). -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 15:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, but it is a non-issue now. The one time in the last 3 or 4 years that I needed to run Java and it failed. I borrowed a Windows laptop and did the job. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to ''completely'' remove Java from my system. It is time for another fdisk-format-reinstall, so I might go that path. -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 15:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== iPhone v Thomson router ==

Has anyone had problems in making the iPhone recognise the router please, if so how did you resolve the matter? Thanks in anticipation.--[[Special:Contributions/85.210.90.215|85.210.90.215]] ([[User talk:85.210.90.215|talk]]) 08:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:What's the actual model of the router and what's the actual problem you're having please? i.e. Can your iPhone see the wireless access point at all or but it's unable to connect, or does it see it, but it can't access the Internet? [[User:ZX81|<span style="font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana;color:#800040;filter:Shadow(color=#000000,strength=1);height:15px;">ZX81</span>]] [[User talk:ZX81|<span style="font-size:11px;font-family:verdana;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 10:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for your interest; the router is a Thomson TG585 v7. The iPhone can 'see' the router but does not recognise my password nor the WPA code, which my supplier, Tiscali, say that I should input as the password. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.210.90.215|85.210.90.215]] ([[User talk:85.210.90.215|talk]]) 20:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::[http://www.thomsonbroadbandpartner.com/getfile.php?id=5349 Here is the manual] for that model of router. Section 4 talks about how to set up the WiFi, I think section 4.2 might be the specific information your after. The paragraph titled "Forgot your wireless settings?" will give you the instructions on how to get your SSID, encryption key and security type. -----[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 01:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for all this, unfortunately you are dealing with a non-technophobe and I don't understand the manual's language, but I will persist.--[[Special:Contributions/85.210.90.215|85.210.90.215]] ([[User talk:85.210.90.215|talk]]) 07:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

==PUK code for samsung E-250==
Hey! I forgot my PUK code and now I'm getting error ' PIN blocked'.I've left with 6 more attempts otherwise I think I'll have to buy a new SIM. How could I resolve this problem?Any suggestions please.Cheers.--[[Special:Contributions/59.103.11.55|59.103.11.55]] ([[User talk:59.103.11.55|talk]]) 09:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:Just ring up your service provider and tell them you need a PUK code and after their verification checks they'll give it to you (most likely without charge). Don't keep guessing, because you are right and after 10 times the SIM card will be permanently locked/need replacing (at cost). [[User:ZX81|<span style="font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana;color:#800040;filter:Shadow(color=#000000,strength=1);height:15px;">ZX81</span>]] [[User talk:ZX81|<span style="font-size:11px;font-family:verdana;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 10:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Microsoft excel cells non negative? ==

My aim is to have some cells never be negative. I have a function where, e.g. cell A = cell B - 100. If A < 0, I'd like the final value to be 0 instead of the actual negative value. Is there a way to do this? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.163.243.51|128.163.243.51]] ([[User talk:128.163.243.51|talk]]) 11:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Check out the MAX worksheet function. &ndash;[[User:Rholton|RHolton]][[User talk:Rholton|<b><font size="3">≡</font></b>]]&ndash; 11:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks, and I also figured out another way just now, after looking around. I used A = (B-100)*IF(B-100<0,0). I had no idea I could use if statement in a cell like this. [[Special:Contributions/128.163.243.51|128.163.243.51]] ([[User talk:128.163.243.51|talk]]) 11:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, there are all sorts of logical arguments for excel. -----[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 00:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== OpenOffice string functions? ==

Documentation I've seen (for both Excel and OpenOffice) suggests there's a <code>str(A1)</code> function one can call to convert a number to a string. But it doesn't seem to work; it prints "<code>#NAME?</code>" in the cell instead. (OpenOffice version 2.4.0 on a Mac, if it matters.). Am I missing some step necessary to load or enable the string functions, or something? —[[User:Ummit|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:Ummit|talk]]) 14:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:There is no STR() function for cells in Excel (there is in VBA, but that's different). You use T() instead. (Or TEXT() if you want it to be formatted in a particular way.) --[[User:Mr.98|Mr.98]] ([[User talk:Mr.98|talk]]) 14:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:: Thanks! <code>T()</code> doesn't seem to do anything, and <code>TEXT()</code> doesn't seem to work in OpenOffice, but it's just the trick for Excel, which'll be fine in this case. —[[User:Ummit|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:Ummit|talk]]) 22:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Switching Off A Process ==

Is it possible to switch off a process (without rebooting) and without using the Task Manager on Vista? I have Firefox still running even though I closed it earlier on (by clicking the 'x' on top-right) and am now unable to re-open Firefox as the machine tells me Firefox is already open and has to be closed. Task Manager shows the process as running (250+K) but doesn't do anything to close it when I click 'End Process'. Is there another way to close it so I can reopen it again (without rebooting)? TIA! --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 15:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

: There are rather more sophisticated task-manager-like programs, like [[Process Explorer]], but they kill processes in fundamentally the same way that Task Manager does (and so really shouldn't do anything better). The only thing I can suggest is that you're actually killing a [[subprocess]] of firefox, and leaving the parent intact. If that's the case, Process Explorer is better, because it shows processes in a tree structure, so you know you're killing the whole family and not just a single child. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 15:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::Depending on your version of Windows you may have the utilities [[taskkill]] and [[tasklist]] which can be used to kill and list running processes from the command prompt. They will give help information on the command line parameters. --[[Special:Contributions/82.41.11.134|82.41.11.134]] ([[User talk:82.41.11.134|talk]]) 16:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks. However, I don't feel comfortable with cmd.exe, so I will leave that alone. [[Process Explorer]] had the same effect as Task Manager, too, so I just rebooted. However, one reason I asked this question is because it has happened before on numerous occasions - primarily with Firefox. A Google search came up with a number of results of the same (or similar) question/problem that other users have had. A quick look through gave me no helpful information, though, as a number of the answerers were proposing uninstalling certain extensions or whatever - an action which basically needs Firefox to be open and running more or less smoothly. Thanks anyway. --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 16:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::::I find that Firefox.exe often takes a long time to actually terminate even if the browser window has closed. I presume it's doing things like saving profile data or clearing the cache, so it doesn't seem wise to force it to close early. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:.isika|.isika]] ([[User talk:.isika|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/.isika|contribs]]) 19:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::I've never needed it, but you might consider [http://code.google.com/p/superf4/ SuperF4]. I recommend turning off their update checking though, they nag about tiny updates. [[User:Indeterminate|Indeterminate]] ([[User talk:Indeterminate|talk]]) 11:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, I've looked at that, but it says it kills the foreground process. Firefox is not in the foreground, just locked up in my system processes box. It has happened three times since I sent the original post, so I have looked on Google, and there seem to be a number of people who believe that this is a problem with a FF extension conflicting with ZoneAlarm (which I recently downloaded). I don't know if this is the case, as I have experienced the problem even without ZoneAlarm installed, but it does seem to be happening more now. Apparently the only way to find out which extension is causing this problem (if indeed that is what the cause is) is by rebooting the machine and restarting Firefox with all addons disabled, then switching them on one by one and waiting to see which one causes the problem, which is, to say the least, quite an improbable way of finding the cause. I've tried logging out, which kills all other programs, but when I log back in again and try to run Firefox, I am informed that it is still running (actually, it's not even showing up in Task Manager now). --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 13:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

And, in fact, just for reference, [http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firewalls#ZoneAlarm here] is some information about it from Mozillazine. Apparently, Firefox+ZoneAlarm+Vista is not a very good combination. --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 14:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Start Menu and Icons missing ==

My start menu and desktop icons are completely missing. Looking through the C:/Windows folder reveals that my explorer.exe was deleted during a computer update. Any ideas on how I can resolve this? Thanks.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 15:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Also, my computer runs on Windows 2003, if that helps.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 15:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Why on earth would explorer.exe get deleted during an update? It sounds like the actions of malware to me. Also, do you mean [[Windows Server 2003]], or some other version of [[List of Microsoft Windows versions|Windows]] for the consumer market? [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 16:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::I have an XP. And not sure but my computer recently installed 10 updates during shut down and this morning I turn on my computer and it starts deleting corrupted things. Explorer.exe being one of them.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 16:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm confused, you said your computer was Windows 2003, now it's Windows XP?
::::Maybe the OP is confusing it with Office 2003, a very common mistake. --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 20:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::It is a Windows XP, didn't realize Windows 2003 and the XP were different.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 20:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:explorer.exe should never be deleted during a (valid) computer update. (Please also note that the directory separator character is "\" in Windows, not "/" as on the Internet for instance.) You could try to repair your Windows installation, by booting from the installation DVD. --[[User:Andreas Rejbrand|Andreas Rejbrand]] ([[User talk:Andreas Rejbrand|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::It was deleted as "corrupted", not sure if I have the DVD. I'll have to look around for it. Cheers,--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 20:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Windows XP comes on a CD, not a DVD. [[User:GO-PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">PCHS-NJROTC</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages)</font>]]</sup> 22:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Might be if it's a wierd OEM version of XP. Yes, do as Andreas Rejbrand said... run the repair. Either that, or pay a professional to take a look. -----[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 00:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::(ec) It seems that the OP is not very certain what operating system he/she is running. (Note the ambiguity between "Windows 2003", "Windows Server 2003," and "I have an XP"). I think the OP has since clarified that it is Windows XP, but he/she should really carefully and correctly verify - they can check against [[List of Microsoft Windows versions]] to be absolutely certain. It will help the rest of us diagnose this issue if there is zero ambiguity about the Windows version. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 00:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Regardless of the OS version, the fix is to re-install the file. Funny OEM versions of XP aside, I think all modern versions of Windows (2000, XP, 2003, 2008, Vista, 7) have a repair installation option of some kind. ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 01:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It's 100% an XP (not being that knowledgeable about computers I thought Windows 2003 and the XP are the same thing, clearly I'm mistaken) but due to a virus in my computer about a year ago, a professional recovered my system and now for some reason the original CD doesn't work anymore. Is there any way to avoid calling a professional at this point?--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<font color="black">c</font>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<font color="black">s</font>]]) 02:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Assuming you have found your XP install CD, pop it in the drive and start your PC. It should show a blue screen offering the chance to "Install Windows XP" or "Repair your installation". Choose the repair option. [http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/instxprepair1.htm This link] shows the steps in better detail. Unless the CD is physically damaged, I can think of no reason why this would not work. [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 05:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering this was, as you say, caused by an update removing corrupted files, why not perform a system restore? Make the system go back to its state previous to the update. If you are able to look in your c:\windows folder then I presume you will still be able to run the System Restore program. The details of how to do so from the Command box are [http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449 here]. --[[User:KageTora|KageTora - SPQW - (影虎)]] ([[User talk:KageTora|talk]]) 11:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Python ==

In the Python interpreter, is it possible to edit a specific line of a function if that function has already been defined? If so, how? --Lucas Brown 42 21:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lucas Brown 42|Lucas Brown 42]] ([[User talk:Lucas Brown 42|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucas Brown 42|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I think it isn't possible but I'm not sure. It is better to have the functions in a file, and then import them. A proper editor will let you run an inferior python shell inside an editor buffer and directly load python functions to it from other buffers, eg [[GNU Emacs|emacs]] does this with C-M-x. Emacs or any other decent editor would also give you [[syntax highlighting]] and autoindenting and more. (Please forgive the clutter if you already knew this.) --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 22:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::There is also a tool called "ipython" which makes the interactive mode much richer for doing things like editing and reimporting files. --[[User:Fubar Obfusco|FOo]] ([[User talk:Fubar Obfusco|talk]]) 04:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Are Blu Ray players compatible with DVDs and/or CDs? ==

I know DVD players can play CDs, but what about Blu Ray? Can Blu Ray play DVDs or CDs, or is it entirely different? [[User:GO-PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">PCHS-NJROTC</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages)</font>]]</sup> 22:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Backward_compatibility Blu-ray Backward compatibility]. [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 22:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, I looked in the article a few minutes ago, but apparently not closely enough. [[User:GO-PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">PCHS-NJROTC</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages)</font>]]</sup> 22:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

{{resolved}}

= October 18 =

== Making a binary file from hex data in the command line... ==

If I have a binary file that I want to print it out as hex data in a terminal, you can just use the "[[od (Unix)|od]] -h" command. Is there any way you can do the reverse, that is, have a bunch of hex data and assemble it into a binary file? [[Special:Contributions/83.250.228.169|83.250.228.169]] ([[User talk:83.250.228.169|talk]]) 00:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:xxd can do hexdumps and reverse. --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 00:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Just <code>echo -e '\x''##''\x''##''' >file</code> should work, if it's not a problem to put the data on the command line in that format. If you'd rather, <code>perl -e 'while(read STDIN,$_,2) {print chr hex;}'</code> will read a ''solid'' block of hex from stdin (no spaces or newlines) and write the corresponding data on stdout. Variations could easily be made to handle different input formats. --[[User:Tardis|Tardis]] ([[User talk:Tardis|talk]]) 01:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::Similarly in Python, strings have <code>.encode</code> and <code>.decode</code> methods for translating them into specific encodings, one of which is hex. So <code>"foo".encode("hex")</code> returns <code>"666f6f"</code>, and <code>"666f6f".decode("hex")</code> returns <code>"foo"</code>. --[[User:Fubar Obfusco|FOo]] ([[User talk:Fubar Obfusco|talk]]) 04:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== ref tag in html? ==

Is there such a thing similar to the ref tag in wikipedia? I know that you can use an anchor to duplicate it, but when you add an anchor link in between two others, you have to change the ones after it and if you have like 100 references, you have to do a ton of work. So does anyone know if there is a way similar to the ref tag in wikipedia in html or something else (cascading style sheets etc). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Renassault|Renassault]] ([[User talk:Renassault|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renassault|contribs]]) 04:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:We have this - [[Template:Anchor]]. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 04:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::sorry, I don't understand what that says (I think it talks about how to do it on a template). Is it saying you can't do it with <a name="x">? (also, sorry, I dont know how to sign my name). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Renassault|Renassault]] ([[User talk:Renassault|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renassault|contribs]]) 04:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Here you go. I just made one up for you:
<source lang="html4strict"><html>
<head>
<script type='text/javascript'>
function setRefs()
{
for (i=0; i < document.getElementsByTagName("span").length; i++)
{
document.getElementsByTagName("span")[i].innerHTML = '<sup><a href="#references">' + (i+1) + '</a></sup>';
}
}
</script>
</head>
<body onload="setRefs()">
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,<span></span> consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et
dolore magna aliqua.<span></span> Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex
ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat
nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim
id est laborum
</body>
</html></source>

Once the page is loaded, the "setRefs" JavaScript function runs. All of the generated links point to a section called 'references'. Feel free to rename either the function or the section name. You could also do it using the <tt>document.getElementsByName</tt> method, if you wanted to. The body above is just boilerplate text. You add a span tag wherever you want a citation. I don't know how ''Wikipedia'' does it, but I like to keep my code as simple as possible.--[[User:Drknkn|Drknkn]] ([[User talk:Drknkn|talk]]) 06:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Google search has changed ==

I just noticed, when I go to use Google to search for something, the "search" and "I feel lucky" buttons have disappeared. Is it just me, or has Google made [http://www.google.com/ their front page] like this for everyone? [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 05:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:They're there, no doubt about it. Wanna screenshot? --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 06:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::No, I believe you. Does Google now have a fade-in effect? [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 06:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a [http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/05/googles-experimental-homepage-fades-to-a-single-word/ feature they've been testing out]. [[User:Indeterminate|Indeterminate]] ([[User talk:Indeterminate|talk]]) 08:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Looking around, I came across [http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?hl=en&tid=70ca8ab28e3df1ae this forum page] and I agree with many others - the fade effect and missing buttons is something that Google should ditch (or at least make it a selectable option in their preferences page). [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 10:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Either Google's experiment has finished, or my deleting <u>all</u> cookies has fixed it. Google's now back to how it was, with both buttons and no annoying fade effect. [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 04:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== hdmi monitor ==

Hello there.
I have an hp 15.4" laptop to which i would like to connect an LCD monitor.
It's gonna be a 22-23 inches one with an hdmi input and my lap too has an hdmi output, so I thought would there be no problem trying to hook it up throu hdmi to a monitor that has that input? I just supposed that an hdmi output on laps is usually used for projecting the signal to a big HD tv or something similar , do you think itd be okay if i do that? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.35.46.140|77.35.46.140]] ([[User talk:77.35.46.140|talk]]) 14:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: For your purposes, there really isn't a difference between a modern LCD TV and a modern LCD monitor, so I don't believe you'll have any problems. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 14:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:The only consideration is whether the graphics card on your laptop can handle your monitor's native resolution. Any other resolution could look fuzzy if either your monitor or laptop doesn't come with auto-correcting software. [[User:Sandman30s|Sandman30s]] ([[User talk:Sandman30s|talk]]) 19:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::Sandman30s is correct. (I would go further and forget about auto-correcting software; you must get a graphics card that can support the native resolution of the monitor.) See our article [[native resolution]] for details. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] ([[User talk:Tempshill|talk]]) 20:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Based on my experience, you should not have big problems - if your laptop manufacturer fitted a HDMI port, I would be very surprised if the laptop's graphics card didn't support it at a range of resolutions to suit your new monitor. All the same, I wouldn't invest many $ in a HDMI cable until you are sure it works well.
:::That said, my TV has a feature which crops the image by some pixels all round, so I don't see odd things flickering at the screen edge such as [[Teletext]], [[closed captioning]] etc. I can switch this feature off on my TV and get all 1920x1080 pixels displayed, but I'm unsure about other TVs (eg. I don't think my sister's Philips TV can switch off this feature). A few pixels is not important with TV, but when I tested it at my sister's house I could only see the top half of Vista's start button and with maximised program windows the "Window close" button had almost disappeared. [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 01:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Error message @ 6pm every day ==

Hi! Every evening, at 6pm precisely (by my Windows XP computer clock), I get [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7141/errorbox.jpg this error-message]. I once installed a trial version of that program, and then uninstalled it very soon afterwards, and the folder listed (''Pareto.....'') doesn't exist. Does anybody know what I can do about this? Thanks! <font color="#C4112F">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">sheriff</span>]]─╢</font> 17:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I would guess that the software set up a Windows Scheduled Task to run at 6pm every day, and it didn't bother tidying up that loose end in the uninstallation process. There are instructions [http://www.utilitysoftwarereviews.com/how-to-remove-paretologic-uusdll-error-message/ here] for removing it which might be helpful to get rid of it. --<span style="font-weight:bold;">[[User:Kateshortforbob|<span style="color:#B96A9A;">Kateshortforbob]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kateshortforbob|talk]]</sub></span></span> 17:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

: The trial program may have installed a task-schedule event (to run some routine task, like updating itself) at 6pm. Its uninstaller should have removed that too, but it maybe it hasn't. The program to manage these tasks is called "Scheduled Tasks" - on XP it's in start->accessories->system tools; I ''think'' it's in the control panel on Vista. It shows a list of tasks and when they run; I think you'll find a 6pm listing that tries to do something with Pareto; if you delete that, it should fix your problem. But be careful in there deleting stuff you don't recognise, as some important (if routine) system functions may be listed too. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 17:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Brilliant. Thank-you very much indeed! <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">Captain-Regent</span>]]─╢</font> 17:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Hard disk problem? ==

I've just installed a new graphics card (Sapphire Radeon HD4670), motherboard (ECS GeForce 6100pm-m2) and processor (AMD Athlon II x4 620) on a 3 year-old computer. The hard drives (SATA, one with Vista installed, one for data) remained the same. When starting up, I'm getting a STOP 0x0000007b (0x80399BB0, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) every time I switch on, either after a few seconds of the progress bar (when I start Windows normally), or after loading a couple of screens of drivers (in safe mode). Running startup repair from the DVD reports all tests completed successfully, and suggests an unidentified change to the system configuration (!). System restore doesn't make a difference. I suspect the problem could be driver-related or possibly disk corruption, as the machine kept shutting itself off before I put in the new parts. Is it worthwhile re-installing Vista, or is there another option I'm missing here (very possibly)? I've already tried chkdsk. Something slightly odd, which may be unrelated: the BIOS, American Trends (which seems a little quirky) shows my hard drives as 3rd and 4th master when booting, instead of 1st and 2nd, as I would expect. Of course, possibly that's completely normal. --<span style="font-weight:bold;">[[User:Kateshortforbob|<span style="color:#B96A9A;">Kateshortforbob]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kateshortforbob|talk]]</sub></span></span> 17:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Making a change of this magnitude normally means that Windows will no longer run - it won't have the drivers for the motherboard, the processor or the graphics card. Unless anyone else can suggest a magic cure, installing Vista from scratch may be the best option.--[[User:Phil Holmes|Phil Holmes]] ([[User talk:Phil Holmes|talk]]) 18:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, Phil Holmes. I thought that might be the case, but I was hoping I would get away with it! I should have curbed my amibiton and stopped with the graphics card. <small>Of course, the really annoying part is that if I'd been patient and waited a week, I'd have had Windows 7 and a new HDD, and would have avoided this whole problem :-/ </small> --<span style="font-weight:bold;">[[User:Kateshortforbob|<span style="color:#B96A9A;">Kateshortforbob]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kateshortforbob|talk]]</sub></span></span> 20:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::It has been my experience that unless you are installing the EXACT same make & model of motherboard, you will always need to reinstall Windows. [[Special:Contributions/218.25.32.210|218.25.32.210]] ([[User talk:218.25.32.210|talk]]) 05:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== How do I install Rebol/view on Win XP? ==

The website for [[Rebol]] says that installing it is very easy, but does not actually tell you how to do it. I've downloaded it, run the program, filled in some details, clicked the Console icon and got a Rebol window to appear. But when I close this window, Rebol appears to disapear completely - in other words it has not been installed. What is the proceedure to follow to get a Rebol shortcut on the Programs menu and hopefully an icon on the desktop as well please? I'm also wondering where the user programs would be stored - I thought it was supposed to ask me where I wanted them, but has not done so. By bitter experience I know that its a point of honour among language creators to Never Never Never tell the public the most obviously needed information, but could someone break the code of silence please? [[Special:Contributions/78.151.108.233|78.151.108.233]] ([[User talk:78.151.108.233|talk]]) 17:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Have you followed the [http://www.rebol.com/docs/quick-start.html quick start] instructions from their website? -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 20:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::I feel that it is appropriate to restate my earlier comment about this (since this appears to be a question by the same OP). "Rebol is far less common (than python), so you will have a harder time tracking down references, resources, and fellow humans who can help you with conceptual and technical issues. Python has an enormous user-base." You might want to keep this in mind as you begin to invest time learning the language. It looks like the official [http://www.rebol.com/docs.html Rebol Documentation] is available online, but in my opinion it looks like there's a few orders of magnitude less information available than other common languages. [http://www.bing.com/search?q=rebol+tutorial&form=OSDSRC ~ 70,000 Rebol Tutorial web hits] vs. ~ [http://www.bing.com/search?q=python+tutorial&form=OSDSRC ~ 5 Million Python tutorials] vs. [http://www.bing.com/search?q=C+tutorial&form=OSDSRC ~ 70 million C tutorials]. By sheer statistical likelihood, your best bet of finding help with a specific problem goes up if you use a more common language. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I had not seen the Quick Start page linked to above, but it still does not say anything about getting Rebol on your start/programs menu. I shall run though it when I have more time.

If with Rebol I can program more quickly and (as a beginner/casual user/dilletante) do more things than with Python because they are not too difficult for me, then I'm for Rebol. That is all that matters. If everyone stuck with programs having the largest amount of users then we'd still all be using GWBasic, or assembler. [[Special:Contributions/78.151.114.229|78.151.114.229]] ([[User talk:78.151.114.229|talk]]) 09:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:I feel you are underestimating yourself with the "too difficult for me". Scripting (with python) isn't black magic in 2009, everything becomes easy once you read the documentation. But of course _the best_ is a matter of opinion. --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 11:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:The Windows start menu belongs to Windows. It does not belong to Rebol. Therefore, I find it a bit silly to demand Rebol to explain how to use the Windows start menu. That is something that Microsoft should do. And, not surprisingly, [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=add+an+item+to+the+start+menu&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2755c6b3e9b2e9 it isn't hard to do]. -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 12:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== System32 corrupt/missing ==

The other day I saw this message:

“Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM – You can attempt to repair this file by starting Windows Setup using the original Setup CD-ROM. Select "r" at the first screen to start repair."

The computer was perfectly fine in the morning; there was construction being done in the house during the day, and the power had to be shut off briefly, and when it was turned back on, that's the message that came up on the computer. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but nothing else changed. Why would system32 just suddenly become corrupt? (This is in XP Professional, by the way).

The CD-ROM doesn't do anything, since Windows can't load up in order to read it. Is there another way to fix this? More importantly, is there a way to fix this without losing all the files on the computer? And should I not attempt to do so myself, since I know nothing, but rather have a professional do it? [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 18:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

: They want to you to ''boot'' with the install CD (rather than the broken windows install); you may need to change the boot-device-order in the BIOS to get this to work. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 18:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::Ah...how do I do that? And if I manage to repair the file, what will happen to everything on the computer? [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 18:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:::When your computer starts up, there should be a screen that tells you what key to press to access setup (i.e., BIOS) or a boot menu. It's the first screen that appears when your computer starts. The key you press depends entirely on the model of your computer.--[[User:Drknkn|Drknkn]] ([[User talk:Drknkn|talk]]) 19:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Maybe normally, but the first screen that appears now is this "missing or corrupt" message... [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 15:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:::::Before that screen appears, there should be a quick flash of a blue (or black) screen which gives you the opportunity to go into BIOS setup. (I assume you have already tried switching on with the original CD-ROM in place.) If this screen has been suppressed, you need to try holding down the different possible keys as you switch on. Do you know anyone with the same model of computer? The key to use varies according to manufacturer. It is usually F1, F2, or DEL, but sometimes ESC or F10. [[User:Dbfirs|''<font face="verdana"><font color="blue">D</font><font color="#00ccff">b</font><font color="#44ffcc">f</font><font color="66ff66">i</font><font color="44ee44">r</font><font color="44aa44">s</font></font>'']] 17:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== IE8 tab colours? ==

Our machines at work have just been upgraded to IE8, and I've noticed that the tabs now change colour - sometimes they're yellow, sometimes they're blue, sometimes they're green, sometimes they're the standard plain grey. This may be an obvious question, but what do the colours mean? There doesn't appear to be any correlation between the colour and the nature of the page being displayed, that I can deduce, at least. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 20:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Tabs of the same color are in a "group". What can you do with a group? All I know is close all tabs of a group at once. As for individual tabs, you can add them to a group or remove them from a group if you like. -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 20:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:I think they just indicate that one page opened the other page. For example, if you click a link on one page and a tab opens, the color indicates this happened.--[[User:Drknkn|Drknkn]] ([[User talk:Drknkn|talk]]) 20:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

::See [http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx IE8 Tab Grouping] from Microsoft's [[MSDN]] blogs page. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 00:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] ([[User talk:Tevildo|talk]]) 18:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Screen flicker ==

I was reading the article [[Life Story]] on Firefox when I realized that the Firefox window was flickering. It only flickered when my mouse pointer was in the actual article, not when it was pointing at a tab or the address bar. It also didn't flicker in any other tab. I couldn't reproduce the phenomenon upon closing and reopening Firefox.

What's responsible for this glitch? I realize that I'll probably never know, but I'm asking just in case anybody here experienced something similar. --[[Special:Contributions/99.237.234.104|99.237.234.104]] ([[User talk:99.237.234.104|talk]]) 20:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:Sounds like typical Firefox flakiness. If it happens again try turning off Javascript. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 23:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:I use Firefox, and I've never had that sort of problem. If this was the only time it has happened, and it never happens again, it's tough (and perhaps unnecessary) to figure out and cause. If it recurs, you might want to think about the add-ons you have installed and enabled. And it always makes sense to use the latest stable release (for Windows, 3.5.3 if I'm not mistaken). By the way, when you post this kind of issue, it's good to mention things like the version you're running, what OS, etc. &ndash;[[User:Rholton|RHolton]][[User talk:Rholton|<b><font size="3">≡</font></b>]]&ndash; 00:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== DNS problems ==

For some reason I've been having persistent DNS trouble, heavily for the past few days, but intermittently over a much longer period. Basically my existing connections will stay active, but DNS lookups will go very slowly or time out, with the outages lasting for a minute or so at a time. My ISP is AT&T; is this a familiar problem? Is it likely to be a configuration problem at my end? I'm thinking of installing a caching DNS proxy like [[Pdnsd]] -- does that sound like a good countermeasure? I'm mostly just web surfing and mostly just a handful of sites. [[Special:Contributions/66.127.54.181|66.127.54.181]] ([[User talk:66.127.54.181|talk]]) 23:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:The very first thing I'd try is to start using [[OpenDNS]]. If you really are having problems with your ISPs DNS server, that should solve it. It's very easy to configure your computer to use it (you don't have to install anything), and their website have very good guides on how to do it. [[Special:Contributions/83.250.228.169|83.250.228.169]] ([[User talk:83.250.228.169|talk]]) 00:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::I second OpenDNS <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:.isika|.isika]] ([[User talk:.isika|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/.isika|contribs]]) 14:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

= October 19 =
== Way to Shorten Load Times (Java) ==

In a program that I am currently working on, I am loading a lot of data from text files. Is there something I can do in Java so that I do not have to load the data from the text files every time I run the program? [[User:Nkot|Nkot]] ([[User talk:Nkot|talk]]) 04:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know anything about Java, but I know how to ask programming questions, and you haven't provided enough information. Please post the actual code used to load the text files, and give us some idea of how big each text file is. If you're loading the Bible it's probably gonna be slow regardless...[[Special:Contributions/218.25.32.210|218.25.32.210]] ([[User talk:218.25.32.210|talk]]) 07:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::::That's really unnecessary in this case. Please don't bite the questioners - and if you don't know the answer - then don't answer. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 12:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:Depending on the type of your data you could put it into a caching database, convert it into binary, or compress it. It might also be acceptable to keep it on a memory-based filesystem, eg [[tmpfs]] (this is very fast, with obvious drawbacks). --[[Special:Contributions/194.197.235.240|194.197.235.240]] ([[User talk:194.197.235.240|talk]]) 08:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:One trick is to write an offline program that reads your data and writes it out as Java source code - eg into a pre-initialised array. You run that program just once (or whenever your data changes). Then you take the output of that program and compile it into your final Java program and voila! The data is already loaded when your program starts up. However, this may not save you a lot of time because the data still has to be pulled off disk before your program can start running...but it may save you time in looking up filenames and parsing the data. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 12:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:Another thing to consider is whether you need all the data all the time. If you just need chunks of it, it may make sense to put it in a database.--[[User:Phil Holmes|Phil Holmes]] ([[User talk:Phil Holmes|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:If the data in the text file were some sort of structured data, I'd create a class with appropriate fields and then read the data into some container of objects of that class. If the objects were related to each other, some container like a tree or linked list might be useful, but if it were unrelated data, an array of some sort would probably do. If the data in the text file was not structured, but rather just like a big paragraph of text that you wanted to search, I'd probably read it into something like a StringBuffer, which is a class that already comes with Java. Good luck![[Special:Contributions/20.137.18.50|20.137.18.50]] ([[User talk:20.137.18.50|talk]]) 14:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

::Make sure you are using Java's BufferedReader to read files from disk - this can save orders of magnitude by allowing the JVM to dynamically buffer (pre-load) the file in the fastest way possible while you use it. [http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/io/buffers.html The Sun Java Tutorial] has a good example of how to do this. Adding the single piece of code to wrap your FileReader with a BufferedReader can easily speed file access times by a factor of 1000x. (See [[Data buffer]] for conceptual explanation about why, and [http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/io/buffers.html Java's IO documentation] for details of Java's implementation). If your files are ''extremely large'', consider a [http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/enwiki/api/java/nio/MappedByteBuffer.html Memory Mapped File]. I have used this to read binary files up to 9 terabytes; large files require some special buffer management. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 15:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:I did something similar in the past. I sped up the process by writing a program that loaded all the data into array structures. Then, I serialized those array structures into strings and saved them to a file. Loading the serialized text back into arrays in the main program was MUCH faster than loading the data from the original data files. -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 17:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== How to search Google Scholar filtering out articles that are subscription blocked? ==

Is there any keyword-colon-keyword (like filetype:pdf) in Google Scholar to only give result links that are not articles that require any membership or payment to read? I realize that this would filter out a large portion of the results. [[Special:Contributions/20.137.18.50|20.137.18.50]] ([[User talk:20.137.18.50|talk]]) 11:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:Filetype:pdf seems to give you only things you can access without subscription. It's probably not comprehensive (there are probably things you can access that aren't PDF, and are thus screened out), but it does probably give you a good number of them. --[[User:Mr.98|Mr.98]] ([[User talk:Mr.98|talk]]) 12:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::You might consider searching the databases directly - for example, [http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journal_browse.cws_home Elsevier] (who publish many many journals and scholarly works) has an advanced [http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journal_browse.cws_home product browser] and advanced search features. I find that this is much faster than Google if I already know the publication I'm seeking. This will let you categorically exclude journals which are pay-subscription (etc.) [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 15:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:use http://arxiv.org/ [[Special:Contributions/71.161.59.133|71.161.59.133]] ([[User talk:71.161.59.133|talk]]) 22:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Yahoo! account ==

I have a Yahoo! account and I use an e-mail address ending in "@yahoo.com". Here's what I want to ask. How can I change the secret questions I have to answer in case I forget my password? I haven't forgotten the password or how to answer those questions, but I want to select new questions, or at least select new answers to the current ones. Thank you. --[[Special:Contributions/88.203.248.162|88.203.248.162]] ([[User talk:88.203.248.162|talk]]) 12:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:[http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/account/account-02.html Google google]. Though, truth be told, you ought to just fill in the secret question with random characters, or some sort of standard response that is NOT related to the question. The info in them is usually pretty easy for people who know you to find (where you went to elementary school, what town you were born, etc.), and those are often the people you'd rather are NOT going through your e-mail accounts. Take a tip from Sarah Palin on that one! --[[User:Mr.98|Mr.98]] ([[User talk:Mr.98|talk]]) 14:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== System freezes at Hardware Test stability (PC Wizard) ==

Hello there, I have PC Wizard running on my system to check health of my system. But I noticed there's problem with Hardware test compatibility in PC Wizard. Whenever I press Hardware Test Compatibility (both hardware or processor) button, system freezes. I can't move mouse or keyboard. Screen just freezes. But it's not happening all the time. Sometimes there's no freezing during this test (I can move mouse or keyboard). I thought it was software. So I reinstall it but nothing happened. No overheating at all. Why this is happening? My specs are: C2Q 9400, XFX 750i SLI, PSU 750W, Ram ddr2 800MHz 4GB, Samsung Sata HD 320 GB, OS XP SP2. Thank you--[[Special:Contributions/119.30.36.42|119.30.36.42]] ([[User talk:119.30.36.42|talk]]) 13:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

*No answer :(--[[Special:Contributions/119.30.36.40|119.30.36.40]] ([[User talk:119.30.36.40|talk]]) 18:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's software with a percentage of low-level code that interrogates your hardware directly. It's entirely possible that it has a bug or did something unexpected that froze your computer. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are getting random freezes in other software all the time - then it's time to do some not-so-fun troubleshooting. [[User:Sandman30s|Sandman30s]] ([[User talk:Sandman30s|talk]]) 19:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Download WP to cellphone? ==

I know someone who has the top million(or 10,000 or something) WP articles downloaded onto his phone. What kind of phone do you need for this and how do you do it? Thanks. [[User:Aaadddaaammm|Aaadddaaammm]] ([[User talk:Aaadddaaammm|talk]]) 13:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure it is actually "downloaded"? Wikipedia has/had a mobile version so perhaps our friend is using that version with their phone's internet browser? I don't know the mobile version's URL, but perhaps someone familiar with that version knows. [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 14:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::The official English Wikipedia mobile version can be found at http://mobile.wikipedia.org/ - though many phones can just as well display the main wikipedia version. [[User:Nimur|Nimur]] ([[User talk:Nimur|talk]]) 15:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Please help me with some html scripts? ==

I am trying to impliment some scripts on an html page to make an advanced menu system. However, i'm quite new to these things. I went to a website which describes how to impliment the behavior i want, but my modifications to this scripting seem not to work. Can someone please help me either fix the code i have or help to write new code? it would be much appreciated!

The site where i got the code is:
http://www.dhtmlgoodies.com/index.html?whichScript=show_hide_content_slide

With how it operates shown here:
http://www.dhtmlgoodies.com/scripts/show-hide-content-slide/show-hide-content-slide.html

My website code, with this script implimented how i THINK it should work is here:
http://pastebin.com/m30e59528

Basically what i want is to have it so that when the user clicks "Emote-Icons", the table marked as class "dhtml goodies answer" would show up. In a more advanced fashion, i will have two other tables, and if somehow it could be so that when the user clicks another one of the links in the top table, any other tables shown are hidden and the appropriate one shows up, this would be fantastic!

Thank you all for your time!

[[Special:Contributions/137.81.112.223|137.81.112.223]] ([[User talk:137.81.112.223|talk]]) 14:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

: Place it in a html file on your computer, and open it in your web browser. I advise testing it with firefox with [[Firebug]] installed, as that has lots of tools to help you debug the page if there's something wrong with the script. Don't use Internet Explorer for that as it's impossible, or at least very hard and annoying. The <code>initShowHideDivs</code> function will be slow as it searches every &lt;div&gt; on the page - it's not an issue for small pages, but complex pages may be slow. You could give the table an <code>id</code> attribute and use <code>getElementById</code>, which would be faster as it will get that one item directly. You might also like [[JQuery]] for javascript shineyness. --[[user:h2g2bob|h2g2bob]] ([[user talk:h2g2bob|talk]]) 22:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

==Outlook drag & drop into Windows Explorer==
Outlook enables the user to drag & drop into an email into a Windows Explorer folder, and creates a .MSG file with a filename based on the subject line. Is there anywhere where the rules of this behaviour can be tweaked - for instance, to create a .HTML file instead, or to change the basis of the filenaming? (In my case, Outlook 11 under Vista, apparantly.) thanks --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 16:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Fan noise in Xaser VI (Full tower case) ==

I suddenly noticed, my xaser vi's top exhaust fan is making noise during boot up. It stays for 2 to 3 minutes then everything becomes normal. I checked the fan. No dust or other things that's causing this problem. I also checked system temperature.

No overheating at all.

Why this is happening?

My specs are:

C2D 9400
XFX 750i SLI
PSU 750W
Ram 4 GB 800 MHz

Thanks in advance--[[Special:Contributions/119.30.36.40|119.30.36.40]] ([[User talk:119.30.36.40|talk]]) 18:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:Does it spin faster when everything becomes normal? This is normal behaviour from better quality fans; they auto-adjust their speed depending on heat generated or amount of sustained CPU activity. [[User:Sandman30s|Sandman30s]] ([[User talk:Sandman30s|talk]]) 19:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:: That's right. Normally those smart power-managment features don't kick in immediately (they're mediated by OS/driver services) so many machines boot insanely loud (hello Dell server) and mostly run pretty quietly. But of Sandman30s is getting ''unusual'' buzzing sounds, that may be noise from the fan bearing. Blowing out the fan (with a can of compressed gas) may fix it, but often the cheapo bearing is dying and one has to replace the fan (and if it's a PSU fan, that means replacing the whole PSU). This seems to be the only PC component that ever fails for me; perhaps I shed an unusual volume of skin. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] • [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 19:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Old PDAs ==

I'm unfamiliar with PDAs, and rather old-fashioned. I do not like rechargeable batteries, and I do not like Wireless. Which old PDA models have the best spec (the most memory, best screen etc) while still having a USB and not a Wireless connection please, and still having replaceable (in other words ordinary) batteries? Note that early PDA models have only serial connectors and not USB - its only USB I want. I am not sure which is the best operating system to try to get, with the idea of using some freeware programs and languages on it. Thanks very much for all help. [[Special:Contributions/78.144.243.47|78.144.243.47]] ([[User talk:78.144.243.47|talk]]) 19:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:I have an old [[Palm III]] that does all that. Pros: It has USB communications through the optional cradle, and runs forever on 2 AAA batteries. Cons: Black & white screen and only 2 MB of memory. It doesn't sound like a high spec, but if all you are doing is storing contacts, diary, appointments and running apps like a calculator and some games like checkers, backgammon it is perfectly adaquate for the job. [[User:Astronaut|Astronaut]] ([[User talk:Astronaut|talk]]) 22:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Sage Accpac ERP Systems ==

I am considering taking a position to install and support SAGE ERP systems (CRM etc.)

I was wondering what kind of market share Sage has in this area. Is it a market leader that has stayed on the cutting edge of the technology? Or is it more of a floundering behemoth that stays in business because it's too costly to switch systems.

I ask because I'd like to know how valuable this installation/support experience is going to be. Am I likely to become more employable in the five to ten year time frame because of it?[[User:NByz|NByz]] ([[User talk:NByz|talk]]) 20:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Searching Google for phrases that have been posted here ==

I noticed that Google cannot search the current version of Wikipedia's Reference desk, but can search archived versions. For example, there are (as of Oct 19, 2009) no Google hits for a random phrase from the above question here. The exact phrase I searched for was [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=UmJ&q=%22is+it+more+of+a+floundering+behemoth+that+stays+in+business+because+it%27s+too+costly%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= "is it more of a floundering behemoth that stays in business because it's too costly"]. (I chose such a long combination of words to be sure that it would not appear on other sites.) However, if I search for a phrase taken, say, from here: [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2009 September 12#Producing an optimal route on Google Maps]], I get exactly one Google hit - from the very same archived page of the Reference desk. This time the phrase I searched for was [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jIz&q=%22implementations+of+optimisation+algorithms+are+a+lot+more+expensive+and+rare+than+many+other+applications%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= "implementations of optimisation algorithms are a lot more expensive and rare than many other applications"]. Why is that so? That means if I ask something here, initially nobody will be able to find any answers I get, unless they know exactly where to look for, but seven days later everybody will find them by using Google (this may have been a stupid example, sorry for that). Why? [[Special:Contributions/88.203.248.161|88.203.248.161]] ([[User talk:88.203.248.161|talk]]) 20:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:Google's search index is stored on Google servers and is updated by spidering bots. Depending on the site in question, it doesn't monitor every page on a day-to-day basis. So it probably takes around a week on average for Google to update its index for the Ref Desk, which is pretty much what I would expect for something that is not a "news" site but changes on a pretty regular basis (as Wikipedia does). --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.71.237|98.217.71.237]] ([[User talk:98.217.71.237|talk]]) 21:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

==How to disable AT&T media net==

I have voice and text but I don't have data in my plan. The media net key on the LG CU575 like all other phones on Cingular/ATT is the central key that I am bound to push by accident sooner or later. I have to frantically push cancel to make sure no data goes through. Isn't there a way to tell AT&T to disable data completely so that I don't get the "service" of per KB download? Thank you. [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 21:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

==AT&T a-list terms: just legalese or should I be worried?==
At http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp AT&T mentions that "AT&T reserves the right to block any A-List number and to reduce the amount of telephone numbers that can be used for A-List without notice." Is it standard legalese or should I be worried to not talk on this number too much? Should I ask AT&T if Google Voice numbers are excluded? Or is it just to make sure that the rural networks don't profit out of the new "unlimited" plan? [[User:Kushal one|Kushal]] ([[User talk:Kushal one|talk]]) 21:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

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December 10

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Youtube videos switching in the middle to Chinese people doing ordinary things

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I see that others are encountering the same problem.[1] Has anybody come up with a fix yet? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid videos with crocheting Chinese ladies and such – if that's not your thing – make sure the video is from the original channel and not some pirated and hacked video. The name of the channel (such as Eyewitness News ABC7NY, Jimmy Kimmel Live, ESPN MBL, ...) is given below the title of the video. Pirated videos come from an unfamiliar channel; other than that, everything looks the same as the legit video.  --Lambiam 07:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaah, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one

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Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible
Version 10.0.19045
Build 19045

Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a second time (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas? --68.129.153.226 (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--68.129.153.226 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What happens if you type a single ' or ", followed by some other character, like a letter?
It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)
My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —scs (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —scs (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.
On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See dead key. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with acute accent or two dots. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you tried a "+space sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --CiaPan (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.
But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type any following character (not just single/double quote).
You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. manya (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0?

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For Gemini 1.5, I find its thesis.

What about recently released Gemini 2.0? HarryOrange (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here?  --Lambiam 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. HarryOrange (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

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Questions About New Laptop Computer

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My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cursor Jumping Randomly

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Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Wikipedia in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. Shantavira|feed me 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: how to disable touchpad on hp laptop. Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic caret jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.
The term caret or insertion point is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches.  Card Zero  (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, User:Card Zero. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Network File Sharing

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With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon Did you try this? TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:TheTechie - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

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Scanning all available streams

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Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. Ccv2020 (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nmap -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.kp domains

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How many .kp domains are there? Gnu779 (talk) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see .kp#Existing_and_externally_accessible_domain_list? Polygnotus (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. Polygnotus (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, Gnu779 (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 24

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