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== Character assassination & attempt to tarnish Dr. Luukanen's name == |
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Does this article really need such a comprehensive guide to what she says about chips and mind control? Right now it reads like lots of "facts" with "she says" appended afterwards. This is a person who is obviously quite ill mentally and it's hard to see why these ramblings are relevant for wikipedia. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.202.209.152|80.202.209.152]] ([[User talk:80.202.209.152|talk]]) 18:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Moved from [[Rauni-leena luukanen-kilde]] for capitalization... totally forgot to check if there was already a page here, hope I didn't overwrite anything... I didn't get any warning and the history shows nothing so I hope I'm good... >_< — [[User:Flamingspinach|flamingspinach]] | [[User_talk:Flamingspinach|(talk)]] 20:41, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC) |
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If you didn't get a warning you were fine. Any chance of indicating if this author is fiction or non-fiction? [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 20:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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She is a real person. If you are asking whether she writes fiction, I suppose she genuinely believes the things she writes and talks about. --[[User:Lakefall|Lakefall]] 18:46, 31 July 2005 (UTC) |
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:The amount of paranoid schizophrenia is quite high in her writings, we could call her the "David Icke" of Finland. No reptilians, though... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.112.223.124|88.112.223.124]] ([[User talk:88.112.223.124|talk]]) 11:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: Objectively: It is an unlawful and a punishable difamation, when someone acusses another person of being paranoid or schizophrenic or so. |
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== Kilde's rescue by extraterrestrials == |
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I totally agree with 91.155.234.89 that there's a character assassination going on here. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Δδ|Δδ]] ([[User talk:Δδ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Δδ|contribs]]) 19:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This section could use a lot of work. And the quoted text at the end of this section either needs to get corrected for typos, or have (sic) inserted to show it's not a mistake introduced by the person quoting. Also, a link to the source is needed. --[[User:Kristjan Wager|Kristjan Wager]] 11:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:On what basis? Agreeing with someone isn't evidence. (And by the way, I see this is your first contribution - welcome to Wikipedia) [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 19:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:Is the lady really notorious and well-known for UFO conspiracy stuff? [[User:Dr Zak|Dr Zak]] 12:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC) |
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{{hab}} |
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::She is leading UFO activist in Finland. --[[User:Zzzzzzzzzz|Zzzzzzzzzz]] 23:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, she is really famous in Finland. |
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== Publications == |
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She is also a total nutcase[[Special:Contributions/86.40.170.87|86.40.170.87]] ([[User talk:86.40.170.87|talk]]) 13:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC) |
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OCLC Worldcat let me down this time. This article should have a list of her books (and any other notable articles in addition to the microchips one, which is referred to all over the place), but they don't seem to have been translated into English and probably that's why Worldcat's coverage is so spotty that I couldn't use it to assemble the list. If anyone has a good authoritative list of the books (and what languages they have each been translated into), that should be added to make the article more solidly based.--[[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 22:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Please do not call people nutcases! Its inappropriate, unprofessional and disrespectful. It also evidences a heavy bias. It implies an assumption that everybody who makes unusual claims and statements must be mad. |
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:Worldcat [http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=Rauni-Leena+Luukanen-Kilde lists a number of titles authored by her] in Finnish. - [[User:LuckyLouie|LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 01:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure that's a complete list, and compare the no.wikipedia entry; she's been widely translated into other Scandinavian languages. Hence why I think Worldcat is letting me down here.--[[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 15:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:::There's no requirement I'm aware of saying we can only add a "complete list". Add what's currently verifiable and available if you wish. This is, after all, a [[WP:NOTDONE|a work in progress]]. Cheers - [[User:LuckyLouie|LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 15:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:: Objectively: It is an unlawful and a punishable difamation, when someone acusses another person of being paranoid or schizophrenic or so. |
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[[User:Avanu|Avanu]] tagged this article about a week ago as contentious, referring in the edit summary to "Andy's insight on the author having conflicting information from the page". I don't understand what that refers to. Since the protection just expired from the article, I think we should talk about this. I tried to improve the referencing and balance of the article, and found negative assertions about Luukanen-Kilde that are ''not'' in the article and that I agree should not be in it. I did not find additional positive material about her that I could add (I don't think her pioneering female leadership of a yacht club is notable, for example - only mentioned in one local source), although that may be because I can't do a good search in Finnish because I can't read it. I used the ''Mediuutiset'' article and added a list of what publications I could find; I have said before that I welcome the Finnish editor producing more material we can use to fill out and balance the article without making it into a ''curriculum vitæ'' or an exposition of Luukanen-Kilde's theories, but other than that possible lack of sources the rest of us have been unable to find because we don't know our way around Finish publications, I don't see how the article is unbalanced. What still needs fixing? [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 15:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC) |
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At the moment this article looks like an attempt at character assassination. This woman may make some unusual claims and statements - but these need to be referenced. This article at the moment discredits wikipedia and lends credence to criticisms, etc |
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:I agree with Yngvadottir; I don't think the tags are appropriate. With no further communication or discussion from Avanu regarding their tags placed in April, I'm removing them. - [[User:LuckyLouie|LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 21:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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It may be disrespectful to call her a nutcase, but it is accurate. It is not a punishable defamation in any jurisdiction that I am aware of, certainly not on what is here a discussion board. [[User:CharlesKiddell|CharlesKiddell]] ([[User talk:CharlesKiddell|talk]]) |
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Placing the content of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde&diff=317237945&oldid=316298683 these edits] here, just because it seems interesting:<br /> |
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:''WHY ARE all these lies written about me??Wikipedia is the biggest source of total disinformation about me!It is clear to me that certain intelligence agencies are involved in my character asassination for over a decade. SHAME on you! With 3 medical specialities; former member of NY Academy of sciences("for !your acievements"), former govt of Finland´s representative in WHO, Former chief medical officer of Lapland, Finland, Former acting Director of Environmental health and Health Education of Finland at National Board of Health, when I shortly replaced also Chief medical officer of Finland at the peak of my medical carreer in Finland. Also have been chief medical adviser for the International Red Cross in Malaysia and Indonesia in the Vietnamese refugee program, have been President of Nursing College of Lapland, former president of Junior Chamber of Commerce, Rovaniemi, First female Commodore in the world in Lapland´s Sailing Club, First doctor in the world to have published in Finnish medical journal DUODECIM about out of body and near death experiences 1983,and about mind control 1999 in Specula, Oulu University medical students and doctors Association OLK. Also I am a well known public figure and lecturer in Scandinavia, international best selling author (sold 250000 books) in parapswychology, ufology and mind control, etc. Please delete Wikipeda LIES! Rauni-Leena Luukanen Kilde /Norway/Finland''<br /> |
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This [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde&diff=next&oldid=317237945 got deleted] by [[User talk:88.195.217.201|88.195.217.201]] on Oct.1, 2009, which seems justified to me as per (at the very least) [[WP:MOS]].<br /> |
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Feel free, though, to debate it -- and to put valid, relevant, properly sourced material in the article as per [[WP:PG|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]]!<br /> |
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(''ps. I am not, myself, acting here in the service of: extraterrestrials, shadowy government agencies, my own self-interest, or [[WP:CENSOR|the forces of censorship]]! ''[[Image:Face-angel.svg]])<br /> |
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Cheers! --[[User:Wikiscient|<span style="border:solid #123 2px;font-family: Papyrus;background-color:#456;color:#EFF;">'''Wikiscient'''</span>]] 20:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Character assassination & attempt to tarnish Dr. Luukanen's name
[edit]I totally agree with 91.155.234.89 that there's a character assassination going on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Δδ (talk • contribs) 19:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- On what basis? Agreeing with someone isn't evidence. (And by the way, I see this is your first contribution - welcome to Wikipedia) AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]OCLC Worldcat let me down this time. This article should have a list of her books (and any other notable articles in addition to the microchips one, which is referred to all over the place), but they don't seem to have been translated into English and probably that's why Worldcat's coverage is so spotty that I couldn't use it to assemble the list. If anyone has a good authoritative list of the books (and what languages they have each been translated into), that should be added to make the article more solidly based.--Yngvadottir (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- Worldcat lists a number of titles authored by her in Finnish. - LuckyLouie (talk) 01:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that's a complete list, and compare the no.wikipedia entry; she's been widely translated into other Scandinavian languages. Hence why I think Worldcat is letting me down here.--Yngvadottir (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- There's no requirement I'm aware of saying we can only add a "complete list". Add what's currently verifiable and available if you wish. This is, after all, a a work in progress. Cheers - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that's a complete list, and compare the no.wikipedia entry; she's been widely translated into other Scandinavian languages. Hence why I think Worldcat is letting me down here.--Yngvadottir (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]Avanu tagged this article about a week ago as contentious, referring in the edit summary to "Andy's insight on the author having conflicting information from the page". I don't understand what that refers to. Since the protection just expired from the article, I think we should talk about this. I tried to improve the referencing and balance of the article, and found negative assertions about Luukanen-Kilde that are not in the article and that I agree should not be in it. I did not find additional positive material about her that I could add (I don't think her pioneering female leadership of a yacht club is notable, for example - only mentioned in one local source), although that may be because I can't do a good search in Finnish because I can't read it. I used the Mediuutiset article and added a list of what publications I could find; I have said before that I welcome the Finnish editor producing more material we can use to fill out and balance the article without making it into a curriculum vitæ or an exposition of Luukanen-Kilde's theories, but other than that possible lack of sources the rest of us have been unable to find because we don't know our way around Finish publications, I don't see how the article is unbalanced. What still needs fixing? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Yngvadottir; I don't think the tags are appropriate. With no further communication or discussion from Avanu regarding their tags placed in April, I'm removing them. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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