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== 5 countries of the Levantine region == |
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== Strange editing by users claiming Jordan and Syria are not part of the Levant == |
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Israel should be removed from this region [[Special:Contributions/2600:100F:A020:473B:3019:ED8A:F5D8:F766|2600:100F:A020:473B:3019:ED8A:F5D8:F766]] ([[User talk:2600:100F:A020:473B:3019:ED8A:F5D8:F766|talk]]) 07:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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The Levant is defined simply as " The countries bordering on the eastern Mediterranean Sea from Turkey to Egypt." by dictionary.com. Also, the French mandates over Lebanon and Syria were called the Levant states. The argument that the east parts of Jordan and Syria are in 'Mesopotamia' is unfounded. In fact, in archaeology, there is a key separation between the region called Mesopotamia and Northern Syria. The only part of Syria that may be considered in Mesopotamia is the Hasakah province. I have no idea where the argument against Jordan comes through.[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 22:33, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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:Why would we do that? {{not done}} — '''[[User:Sadko|<span style="color:#CC6600;">Sadko</span>]]''' [[User talk:Sadko|<span style="color: #0c0609;">(words are wind)</span>]] 11:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Levantine consideration == |
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:what are you talking about? Nobody claimed Jordan and Syria "are not part of the Levant". They are simply not contained in the Levant. Look, Syria and Lebanon are contemporary states, and the "Levant" is a historical term for the area. They overlap, but they are not identical. Yuber, your editing style is not pleasant. All edits I have seen from you were belligerent, or designed to pick petty fights. This is not the Wikipedia spirit. I advise you to take it easy, and try to argue with people in a friendly spirit. You are not surrounded by enemies. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''ᛏ'''</small>)]] 22:39, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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Cyprus isn’t considered part of the Levant in modern-day, but Mediterranean. Jordan, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, ‘Israel’ (because of its geography, not culture) and very minor regions of Iraq are considered Levantine. [[Special:Contributions/207.161.54.17|207.161.54.17]] ([[User talk:207.161.54.17|talk]]) 21:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::I've looked through many sources on the uses of the Levant and I have found no info that only the west parts of Jordan and Syria are in it. The fact that it's an approximate region also proves this. If you see the [[Names of the Levant]] you can further confirm this. I'm sorry if my edits seemed belligerent, as I haven't made any personal attacks on anyone and I have just stated my point.[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 22:42, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024 == |
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:::I just edited the article to make clear the points of you and Jayjg. However, I would like to point out that in the region of the worlds template at the bottom of the page there is no "Mesopotamia". Since you are an expert on middle eastern regions, dab, perhaps you would like to fix this.[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 22:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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Palestine was never a country and is still not one. Your page is incorrect in listing it as such. [[Special:Contributions/128.92.213.35|128.92.213.35]] ([[User talk:128.92.213.35|talk]]) 08:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:A country it is, [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 09:42, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:It's [[ISO 3166-2:PS]]. [[User:Sean.hoyland|Sean.hoyland]] ([[User talk:Sean.hoyland|talk]]) 09:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Cyprus in the Levant (in the strictest sense) == |
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I believe Cyprus is not considered part of the Levant, at least not in the strictest (modern) sense, only in the wider sense. The references do not support this. It is mostly considered part of the Levant in British Archaeology. [[User:Kupirijo|kupirijo]] ([[User talk:Kupirijo|talk]]) 09:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::ok, you do have a point: we are saying that 'occasionally' the term is used in a modern context. In these cases, it may ''occasionally'' also refer to the entire state of Syria/Jordan. However, use of "Levant" in a modern context is quite over the top, stylistically. The basic meaning is/was "eastern borders of the Mediterranean". Now Eastern Syria is certainly not adjacent to the Mediterranean, but in a sense of "states that border the east coast of the Med", it may be possible to include it. We're going to say that this usage is neither current nor recommended anyway. Just like "Mesopotamia" is usually used in contexts of ancient history, "Levant" is usually reserved for historical discussions. We have [[Near East]] for current issues :) [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''ᛏ'''</small>)]] 22:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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:Cyprus still has cultural, ethnical traits that are very similar to other Levantine countries. Especially Israel and Lebanon. [[User:ShawarmaFan07|ShawarmaFan07]] ([[User talk:ShawarmaFan07|talk]]) 23:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I'm no expert on Middle Eastern regions. If anything, I'm an expert on ''semantics'', i.e. I care about how a term is used and by whom. As I say above, "Mesopotamia" is hardly used for the ''contemporary'' region. Its area is contained in "Middle/Near East". [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''ᛏ'''</small>)]] 22:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2024 == |
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::::The term began to be used in a modern context after the French occupation. If anything, blame France for extending the borders of the Levant farther east :).[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 23:02, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::it may be that in French the term is more commonly used in contemporary contexts. Come to think of it, the "Levant" link in the "regions" template does seem a bit out of place. I would suggest it is replaced with [[Near East]] (which has, after all, the same meaning. It's just that the crusaders didn't reach as far inland) [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''ᛏ'''</small>)]] 23:08, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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::::::Perhaps they should be both included, since I really don't know how far the "Near East" extends to. Also, I have a great interest in archaeology and that is where I have seen the term 'Levant' used the most.[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 23:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC) |
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In the article regarding The Levant please change "the Palestinian territories" to "Palestine" and "Isreal" to "The Occupied Territories of Palestine" [[Special:Contributions/2601:405:4881:6010:A5CD:A5D3:5437:CC2C|2601:405:4881:6010:A5CD:A5D3:5437:CC2C]] ([[User talk:2601:405:4881:6010:A5CD:A5D3:5437:CC2C|talk]]) 20:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:What the heck is [[Isreal]]? [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 16:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== West Asia not necessary == |
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difficult... look at [[Near East]], [[Middle East]] and [[Southwest Asia]]. I think the region template should only have SW Asia, which includes all others. Near East seems to include Anatolia, Levant, Mesopotamia, and sometimes Egypt and Iran. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''ᛏ'''</small>)]] 00:50, 5 May 2005 (UTC) |
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Levant includes Cyprus. While it is geographically close, it is part of Mediterranean Europe. Racially, ethnically, culturally, and politically. So why should West Asia be mentioned? [[User:ShawarmaFan07|ShawarmaFan07]] ([[User talk:ShawarmaFan07|talk]]) 23:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Editorial Complaint Removed from Article Body == |
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:Yes Cyprus is part of the Levant. The intro just says that the Levant is the "subregion that borders the Eastern Mediterranean sea to the west and core West Asia": is this an issue? [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 09:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Anonymos 66.99.20.130 inserted the following under [[Levant#Etymology|§Etymology]], immediately after the first clause in the first sentence, disputing the first attestation of "Levant" in English to 1497. |
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::The opening sentence is very hard to parse. It really needs some fixing. It’s also confusing because it suggests that the Levant borders the Middle East yet, clicking through to Middle East, it’s the same area. [[User:Rickogorman|Rickogorman]] ([[User talk:Rickogorman|talk]]) 10:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yes I would remove "or by the political term, Middle East," [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2024 == |
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<blockquote>(This can't be true. Levant and Outremer were interchangeable during the time of the Crusades, which began in 1095)</blockquote> |
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Leaving aside the inappropriate placement of the complaint in the body of the article — in the middle of a sentence, and without citation — the complaint does not seem to specifically address the statement. First attestation does not indicate when a term was coined, first popular, or even first noticed by compilers of dictionaries. It only indicates the age of the oldest available use of the term in writing — and specifically in this case in the writing of English. There's nothing implausible about a term current (in French, perhaps?) between ca. 1100 and 1300 not showing up in any long-lived English text before ca. 1500. |
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In the discussion of the Levant and its peoples, languages, and culture, almost all mention of Jews, Hebrew, or Jewish culture is not there despite Israel being a country in the levant. [[Special:Contributions/216.163.221.226|216.163.221.226]] ([[User talk:216.163.221.226|talk]]) 13:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Genetics section == |
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:::::::—[[User:Americist|Americist]] 18:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The genetics section reads as follows: |
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==Is Israel part of the Levant?== |
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Are Wikipedians certain that Israel is located in the Levant? I thought that Israel was located in Canaan or the geographical area of modern day Palestine. My general impression from books I have read--however erroneous it may be--is that the Levant generally covered the region of Syria and Lebanon while Israel and Jordan's status is more ambiguous. |
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|text=According to recent ancient DNA studies, Levantines derive most of their ancestry from ancient Semitic-speaking peoples of the Bronze and Iron age Levant. Other Arabs include the Bedouins of Syrian Desert, Naqab and eastern Syria, who speak Bedouin Arabic. Non-Arab minorities include Circassians, Chechens, Turks, Jews, Turkmens, Assyrians, Kurds, Nawars and Armenians. |
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Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 05:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Ancient semitic people from the Levant were not broadly Arab (although there were some ethnic Arabs in the area) as the Arab conquest didn't happen until the 7th century. This section should be revised to clarify whether (a) modern Levantines self identify as Arabs, and (b) that the Arab communities described are completely separate ethnically from the described Levantines. [[User:TimeEngineer|TimeEngineer]] ([[User talk:TimeEngineer|talk]]) 07:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Any good sources you can cite describing the areal extent of the Levant will improve the article, whether they agree with what the article currently states or not. Because Levant is not a scientific term, or one defined by declaration, treaty, or acclamation, the article should properly present a wide range of the ways in which the term has been commonly used. |
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:Levant is a relatively recent term which seems to be used generally in rough correspondence to classical Syria (not to be confused with the contemporary state of the same name) and ancient Canaan (which in turn was larger and more vaguely defined than Palestine ever has been). The term has already become obsolete and been revived at least once (at least in English). The most common contemporary usages, as far as I know, are in scholarly fields such as archaeology and history, where "Levant" and "Levantine" are sometimes used to refer to any regions within a circle defined by Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Arabia (not to confused with the Saudi kingdom), Egypt (not to be confused with the contemporary state of the same name) and the east edge of the Mediterranean Sea — and also to any languages, peoples, cultures, etc., associated with any such regions. |
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:::::::—[[User:Americist|Americist]] 17:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the reply Saul/Americist. I just had the impression that the Levant encompassed Syria and Lebanon while its relation with Israel/Jordan was a little more vague. Everyone knows what the geographical area of Canaan, Mesopotamia or Egypt is but the term Levant is rather more ambigious--like Orientalism. Perhaps scholars like it this way! But I'll take your word for it unless someone else can offer different radically differing interpretations for the word Levant. |
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As an Aside, I wonder whether most Israelis object to their nation being classified as being a part of the Levant? Thank You. [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 11:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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I'm not sure this is the right place to raise this issue, but I don't want to be another anonymous editor, so I'll say it here. I changed "Judea and Samaria" to "the Occupied Palestinian Territories" a few days ago because that is the official, internationally recognized name assigned to this area. The term "Judea and Samaria" is a term used by Zionists in the Jewish Israeli community as a way to deny the very existence of Palestine, and to re-assert their claim to all Palestinian territories. "Judea and Samaria" do not exist. All of the other country names used in this particular subsection of the article referred to current nation-states. Therefore, the inclusion/use of "Judea and Samaria" is not only historically inaccurate, but reflects a bias which is rather distasteful. I noticed that someone changed it to "West Bank / Judea and Samaria." Though this is more broad, again, the inclusion of "Judea and Samaria" is incorrect at best. I added "Gaza Strip" to this phrase, instead of deleting the inaccurate phrase again, in the hopes that this would be acceptable until the appropriate person/people can confirm this information and make it right. -anonymous |
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*The Levant is simply the Eastern Mediterranean. [[User:Funkynusayri|Funkynusayri]] 00:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC) |
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== '''Is there a right or wrong to this question, and does it matter?''' == |
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Dear User:Leoboudv, I agree with you that the term is quite ambiguous and one can find verifiable sources that rightfully claim any number of borders or areas of inclusion/exclusion, and which becomes even more ambiguous when you throw in the passage of time. Everyone who has done some research on the subject is probably "right" to some degree. It is a term that I would compare to the modern world's use of the term "The West" (can anyone specify its borders? yet there is a general sense of what it means) or The Pacific Rim, or for that matter, the Middle East. Who is in charge of making the final decision as to specific borders of these terms? No one, of course. I think the news media comes up with such terms, and they either stick if they are useful, or die a natural death if not. As to historical or ancient place names, aren't they sometimes the creations of archeologists and other scholars attempting to clarify or specify various facts to make their research easier to understand, rather than an attempt to place boundaries on areas or places that don't meet our modern concepts of nationhood or geopolitical boundaries? Kurt[[User:76.171.173.77|76.171.173.77]] 20:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Etymology == |
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In the Etymology section it says: |
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::''As such, it is broadly equivalent to the Arabic term Mashriq, "the land where the sun rises".'' |
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Actually, Al Mshriq refers to very much wider range that includes Iraq, KSA, Yemen and the Gulf states. The Levant in Arabic is Al Shaam الشام. --[[User:Maha Odeh|Maha Odeh]] ([[User talk:Maha Odeh|talk]]) 05:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Order == |
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I ordered the last section in alphabetical order: |
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Israel, Jordan, Lebannon, Palestine, Syria. I'm syrian and I don't mean anything by it, some people might take it as a reason to argue that Israel should not come first since it's not in alphabetical order. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/62.240.47.167|62.240.47.167]] ([[User talk:62.240.47.167|talk]])Ali <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 20:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It seems Iraq was added to that list ([[Levant#Regions|Regions]]) since you did so, but Israel is still first on the list. [[Special:Contributions/141.157.197.57|141.157.197.57]] ([[User talk:141.157.197.57|talk]]) 20:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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but Iraq is not part of the Levant... not in any context <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.22.35.89|78.22.35.89]] ([[User talk:78.22.35.89|talk]]) 17:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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new to this, but was it not that levant was used to name the nowadays istambul, that is the whole eastern roman empire?[[Special:Contributions/89.201.152.223|89.201.152.223]] ([[User talk:89.201.152.223|talk]]) 21:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==POV== |
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In the intro: |
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: It is an imprecise term, however, because it refers to an area of cultural habitation rather than to a specific area of land. It is a much needed term, however, given that throughout much of history this region has had many different national or political names. |
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"Imprecise" and "much needed" are POV. They are probably correct, but still OR. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.242.13.87|60.242.13.87]] ([[User talk:60.242.13.87|talk]]) 06:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I think "Imprecise" might be supported by facts. "Much Needed" might be POV. --[[User:SV Resolution|SV Resolution]]([[User_Talk:SV Resolution|Talk]]) 14:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Too restrictive designation == |
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Traditionally the Levant includes Cyprus, Turkey,even Greece --as can be seen in the text. The map and the rest does not seem to mean "Levant", rather "Fertile Crescent" or Greater Syria |
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== About Palestinian Authority territories == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2024 == |
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I've notice many vandals have come on the page, and deleted Israel and put "Palestine" in its place, even tho Palestine is not a UN Member State or meet the criteria of the term "state," although it does have a delegation to the UN. First off, deleting Israel is not acceptable. Putting it at the bottom is ridiculous, as these states are in alphabetical order which means Israel comes second in the list if no Cyprus, or third if there is Cyprus listen. What should we do to combat these vandals? Should we include the Palestinian Authority territories? Perhaps in a separate section, like "recognized territories, or put it indented under Israel? If it is there, how is it done without compromising the article or NPOV?[[User:Tallicfan20|Tallicfan20]] ([[User talk:Tallicfan20|talk]]) 22:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Map concerns?? == |
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Fairly certain Tel Aviv is NOT the larger than Jerusalem. In regards to the "largest cities" section. [[Special:Contributions/2.52.195.64|2.52.195.64]] ([[User talk:2.52.195.64|talk]]) 08:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{already done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:LizardJr8|LizardJr8]] ([[User talk:LizardJr8|talk]]) 19:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Israel was not formed During this period == |
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I'm unsure why you, Izzedine, keep reverting the [[:File:The Levant 3.png|map of the Levant]]. This map is well referenced and does certainly not fall under Original Research. Like most of my maps (and most Wikipedia articles), it was developed using multiple sources. |
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The state of Israel was formed after the world wars, While there were Jewish people residing in the region the State was not formed during the Levant period. [[Special:Contributions/67.200.168.194|67.200.168.194]] ([[User talk:67.200.168.194|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
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I would be interested in hearing any critique of the map. [[User:MapMaster|MapMaster]] ([[User talk:MapMaster|talk]]) 05:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:What period? The article covers the Levant in the [[21st century]]. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 03:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC) |
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5 countries of the Levantine region
[edit]Israel should be removed from this region 2600:100F:A020:473B:3019:ED8A:F5D8:F766 (talk) 07:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Why would we do that? Not done — Sadko (words are wind) 11:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Levantine consideration
[edit]Cyprus isn’t considered part of the Levant in modern-day, but Mediterranean. Jordan, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, ‘Israel’ (because of its geography, not culture) and very minor regions of Iraq are considered Levantine. 207.161.54.17 (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Palestine was never a country and is still not one. Your page is incorrect in listing it as such. 128.92.213.35 (talk) 08:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- A country it is, a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 09:42, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's ISO 3166-2:PS. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Cyprus in the Levant (in the strictest sense)
[edit]I believe Cyprus is not considered part of the Levant, at least not in the strictest (modern) sense, only in the wider sense. The references do not support this. It is mostly considered part of the Levant in British Archaeology. kupirijo (talk) 09:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Cyprus still has cultural, ethnical traits that are very similar to other Levantine countries. Especially Israel and Lebanon. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 23:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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In the article regarding The Levant please change "the Palestinian territories" to "Palestine" and "Isreal" to "The Occupied Territories of Palestine" 2601:405:4881:6010:A5CD:A5D3:5437:CC2C (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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template. RudolfRed (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC) - What the heck is Isreal? Dimadick (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
West Asia not necessary
[edit]Levant includes Cyprus. While it is geographically close, it is part of Mediterranean Europe. Racially, ethnically, culturally, and politically. So why should West Asia be mentioned? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 23:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes Cyprus is part of the Levant. The intro just says that the Levant is the "subregion that borders the Eastern Mediterranean sea to the west and core West Asia": is this an issue? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 09:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- The opening sentence is very hard to parse. It really needs some fixing. It’s also confusing because it suggests that the Levant borders the Middle East yet, clicking through to Middle East, it’s the same area. Rickogorman (talk) 10:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I would remove "or by the political term, Middle East," a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- The opening sentence is very hard to parse. It really needs some fixing. It’s also confusing because it suggests that the Levant borders the Middle East yet, clicking through to Middle East, it’s the same area. Rickogorman (talk) 10:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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In the discussion of the Levant and its peoples, languages, and culture, almost all mention of Jews, Hebrew, or Jewish culture is not there despite Israel being a country in the levant. 216.163.221.226 (talk) 13:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The AP (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Genetics section
[edit]The genetics section reads as follows:
According to recent ancient DNA studies, Levantines derive most of their ancestry from ancient Semitic-speaking peoples of the Bronze and Iron age Levant. Other Arabs include the Bedouins of Syrian Desert, Naqab and eastern Syria, who speak Bedouin Arabic. Non-Arab minorities include Circassians, Chechens, Turks, Jews, Turkmens, Assyrians, Kurds, Nawars and Armenians.
Ancient semitic people from the Levant were not broadly Arab (although there were some ethnic Arabs in the area) as the Arab conquest didn't happen until the 7th century. This section should be revised to clarify whether (a) modern Levantines self identify as Arabs, and (b) that the Arab communities described are completely separate ethnically from the described Levantines. TimeEngineer (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Fairly certain Tel Aviv is NOT the larger than Jerusalem. In regards to the "largest cities" section. 2.52.195.64 (talk) 08:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Already done LizardJr8 (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Israel was not formed During this period
[edit]The state of Israel was formed after the world wars, While there were Jewish people residing in the region the State was not formed during the Levant period. 67.200.168.194 (talk) 18:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- What period? The article covers the Levant in the 21st century. Dimadick (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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