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This article was forked from Schrödinger's cat to keep the fictional treatments of this subject from overrunning the physics. This topic was up for AfD and the decision was to keep, not merge. [[User:DV8 2XL|DV8 2XL]] 23:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


== Ian McEwan's Saturday ==
Ian McEwans protagonist Henry Perowne reflects upon the Schrödinger's cat experiment in the very beginning of the novel and doesn't accept its implications, referring to it as "surely another example of a problem of reference". This means he feels the hypothesis of parallel universes only arises due to the restrictions of his own mind, but that "whatever the score, it is already chalked up". Being selected one of the best books of the year 2005 by the new york times and many others, I think it would make sense to include this in the list. But since the novel is not science fiction, it would have to be put under a new header. [[User:DeadCow|DeadCow]] ([[User talk:DeadCow|talk]]) 09:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Penn Gilette Play ==

Penn from Penn and Teller wrote a play which featuerd 'Schrödinger's Person'. It was part of a triology of plays that over lap, one was Schrödinger's person, one was set in a strip club and the third was on an isolated spot. The idea was that animal rights actavist's heard that some scientists were going to hypotosise on Schrödinger's cat and had a death row prisoner encased in a box. I can't remeber the name of the play.

== Cecil Adams ==

''"In 1982 Cecil Adams, in his column The Straight Dope, wrote a concise and humorous description of the thought experiment, and Einstein's refutation of same, in the form of an epic poem. "The story of Schroedinger's cat (an epic poem)"''

IMO, that "poem" looks like a form of hip-hop. More accurately, a gangsta rap. [[User:RocketMaster|RocketMaster]] 17:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== MC Hawking ==

The Mc Hawking song "Rock out with your Hawk out" references Schrödinger's cat by saying that "I'll stuff you in a box like Schrödinger's cat, you'll be dead and alive until such a time as that, I check and make the wave function collapse...". I think this should be in the article, and maybe have a link to the MC Hawking page. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Kage-Lupus|Kage-Lupus]] ([[User talk:Kage-Lupus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kage-Lupus|contribs]]) 20:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


== Hellsing ==

Hellsing's Schrödinger is actually a werewolf. [[User:83.254.147.222|83.254.147.222]] 14:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you read Schrodinger's page, you'll see that Hirano has explicitly stated he is a '''cat'''boy, but belongs to the [[Werwolf]] unit. In other words, it's a pun. Why references to him were removed from this page, I don't understand. [[User:68.212.237.138|68.212.237.138]] 22:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Brewster Rockit ==
3/24/2007 comic has a team called the Schodinger Cats.
http://www.comicspage.com/comicspage/main.jsp?catid=1876&custid=69&file=20070324csbre-a-p.jpg&code=csbre&dir=/brewster

==Why cruft?==
Why this: <nowiki>{{fictioncruft}}</nowiki>? Putting such a marker on the article should require a note on the talk page – otherwise (IMHO) the marker should be considered ''littering'' (not vandalism but a kind of sloppy querulance). <span style="color: #800000; background-color: #FFFFA0; padding: 1px 2px 3px 2px">''Said: [[User talk:Rursus|Rursus]] [[User:Rursus/OTHITPWMEEENAE|☺]] [[User:Rursus|★]]''</span> 11:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I agree: Take the tag off. Of course this page is <nowiki>{{fictioncruft}}</nowiki>, look at the title. But, it was already voted not to be deleted and that's that. [[User:OrcShaman42|OrcShaman42]] 17:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::No, you don't understand... fictioncruft absolutely does not belong on Wikipedia at all, admitting that it has it means it has to have that junk deleted. The fact that the article itself was not deleted doesn't mean that the article shouldn't be cleaned up. Go read [[WP:TRIVIA]], [[WP:ENC]], [[WP:NOT]] and so forth so you can know what is and is not appropriate here. Probably more than half of the junk on this article needs to just be deleted outright, per those policies. You can't just ignore those policies. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] 21:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, by those standards, it would pretty much needed a book published talking about Schrödinger's cat in popular culture before this page could be viewed as non-trivia and not fictioncruft. [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 15:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes. This article needs reliable, independent sources in order to exist. --[[User:Eyrian/T|Eyrian]] 15:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, this article is a travesty of worthless info all around, but there's nothing in my statement or elsewhere that specifies that a whole book on that topic and that topic only would be needed. There are other [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for that stuff. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] 14:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== Removal Of "Trivia" and Sloppy Editing ==

In looking over the article I noticed that the desire to remove so called "trivia" has blinded editors to the fact that at least one item of it was referenced [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat_in_popular_culture&diff=prev&oldid=148747749 here] and that now we have a citation on an external link without any reason for it to be there now in the article .

Unfortunately I wish I could say that this is the first time or even the second time I have seen this occur where "trivia" was removed wholesale but it isn't and I'm guessing it won't be the last time either.

The last edit on the article at this point in time also said ''random uncited information *cannot* be integrated. It must be removed'' to which I say it is no more random than the other examples in the article which I presume since they also aren't cited will be removed in due course .

Of course the rule is actually cite any information and if you can't then remove .[[User:Garda40|Garda40]] 23:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:''"trivia says put it into prose in article not to delete except for elements completely offtopic"'' It is completely off topic for an ENCYCLOPEDIA. See [[WP:NOT]] and [[WP:ENC]]. Mere references are just complete nonsense. If you would like to create your own site, call it WikiTrivia, and add all that kind of stuff you want, feel free. This is Wikipedia, so we don't. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] 14:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::And if "trivia" is ''completely off topic for an ENCYCLOPEDIA'' it would be completely banned.
::Strangely I can't find a complete ban.
::And I find it interesting you didn't bother to answer the point about sloppy editing but just decided to wikilawyer .[[User:Garda40|Garda40]] 19:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Perhaps, because there is actually science to be learned from it, the criteria for relevance should be less strict than in some cases. [[User:David R. Ingham|David R. Ingham]] ([[User talk:David R. Ingham|talk]]) 00:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Stargate SG-1 ==

Wasn't Schrodinger's cat mentioned quite prominently on Stargate SG-1? The episode was called Enigma, Sam Carter was discussing the theory with Narim. Then she gave him a cat called Schrodinger. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.45.50.188|121.45.50.188]] ([[User talk:121.45.50.188|talk]]) 13:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Terminator ==

When the terminator is repairing his eye in the hotel room, the cleaner asks if he 'has a dead cat' in there, almost certainly a reference to Scrodingers Cat in a film about time travel and nuclear war--[[User:Bagpuss49|Bagpuss49]] ([[User talk:Bagpuss49|talk]]) 19:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Threads ==

In the post-war scene where children are watching the educational video, the featured section is the outline of a cat with it's skeleton visible, the voice saying 'the cat's skeleton', again almost certainly a reference to Schrodingers Cat, see Terminator entry above--[[User:Bagpuss49|Bagpuss49]] ([[User talk:Bagpuss49|talk]]) 20:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Well. ==

If you elitist pricks keep deleting "triva" from an article clearly marked "Schrodinger's Cat in '''POPULAR CULTURE'''", then we might as well have no article at all, you morons. Stop deleting everything.

Idiots. [[User:The velociraptor|Mr. Raptor]] 17:06, 27 September
2007 (UTC)

==Somewhat agree with Mr. Raptor==

This is meant to be a page on pop culture references to Schrodinger's Cat, but seems to only include references in Science-fiction - That being one section unto itself.

There's a page on Wikipedia about Tokyo in Pop Culture, in which each section is a seperate reference in pop culture. I think this page would benefit from that format. It doesn't make sense to have an independent section on sci-fi referencing, when those are the only references listed.

I added a reference used in the widely popular TV show House, but was reluctant as there seemed to be no place for it, based on previous edits, and the exclusion of any references other than a heavily incomplete list of sci-fi references to SC. My inital instinct was to instead of titling the section "television series" to specify "as used in television medical dramas" - as this article seems to currently suffer from over specification that's preventing it from being a fully comprehensive source.

The way this article is divided seems strange. A whole section devoted to when it's not necessarily a cat, but another animal? A reference is a reference and the catagorization here seems totally arbitrary. I think the introduction in the "Adaptions in Sci-Fi" is really well-written, but again, am questioning why there's like 20 references in that section, but then 2 seperate subsections for 2 individual works, and again, no other references outside sci-fi.

Personally, I'd like to see each reference given a section (as in the tokyo page I mention) -- I don't see the benefit of catagorizing the individual references ESPECIALLY since there is only one catagory. There used to be lots of references listed, such as one by Steve Martin -- that's part of pop culture too. Otherwise this article should just be called "Schrodinger's Cat in Science Fiction"

Sorry for any lack of conciseness here, but it's late and this is the discussion page...


EDIT: Reading the article for deletion page, maybe I'm getting too far ahead here, and not totally understanding what you guys are going for with this article... However, like Mr. Raptor, I'm questioning the usefulness of the page if there isn't a complete source for all references in pop culture. The reason I actually came upon this article was in trying to find the exact quote from that House ep, having recognized it as a reference to Schrodinger's Cat, and wanting to relay the joke to others. I came to wikipedia, familiar with its "X in pop culture" articles, and was not only somewhat surprised to not see this particular one listed, but also the lacking of really major ones like The Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy. I wanted to offer my thoughts on this, because I think the article needs work one way or another. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.17.216.220|76.17.216.220]] ([[User talk:76.17.216.220|talk]]) 03:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


[[BubbaStrangelove]] 03:57, 15 October,
2007 (UTC)

== Tears for Fears ==

The band [[Tears for Fears]] has a song called "[[Saturnine Martial & Lunatic|Schrödinger's cat]]". <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.220.113.47|201.220.113.47]] ([[User talk:201.220.113.47|talk]]) 16:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== hello? wtf? no R.A.W. reference? FNORD! ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_Cat_trilogy -- pretty big oversight, Wikipedians... [[Special:Contributions/199.214.28.40|199.214.28.40]] ([[User talk:199.214.28.40|talk]]) 19:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Add it if you think so. Instead of complaining and cursing, it is easier to just add it into the article yourself. [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 02:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)



== Appeal to put YTMND on the whitelist ==
== Appeal to put YTMND on the whitelist ==
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* [[YTMND]] features a site called "Schrödinger Explains YTMND: A Quantum NEDM" using one interpretation of the [[Schrodinger]]'s cat paradox to explore the plausibility YTMND's so called alternative universes.<ref name="ytmndcat">{{cite web|url=http://ytmnfinity.ytmnd.com/}}</ref>
* [[YTMND]] features a site called "Schrödinger Explains YTMND: A Quantum NEDM" using one interpretation of the [[Schrodinger]]'s cat paradox to explore the plausibility YTMND's so called alternative universes.<ref name="ytmndcat">{{cite web|title=YTMND|url=http://ytmnfinity.ytmnd.com/}}</ref>

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Schroedinger's car is referenced by both the Coen brothers' movie A Serious Man and the comedy TV show about physicists: The Big Bang Theory. -[[User:NeF|NeF]] ([[User talk:NeF|talk]]) 02:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Schroedinger's car is referenced by both the Coen brothers' movie A Serious Man and the comedy TV show about physicists: The Big Bang Theory. -[[User:NeF|NeF]] ([[User talk:NeF|talk]]) 02:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


== Oversight in Popular Literature ==

Ursula K. LeGuin's short story "Schrodinger's Cat" has been completely left off the page and yet I think it's one of the most referenced/taught allusions to Schrodinger's Cat in literature.

[[User:Steorling|Steorling]] ([[User talk:Steorling|talk]]) 16:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Christopher Stasheff's "A Wizard in Rhyme" series has the cat as a talking character ==

It's been a while since I've read the books, but the cat is introduced as a talking companion to Matthew Mantrell (the main character) at some point in the books. I believe the cat continues through more than one book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wizard_in_Rhyme

The same series also introduces 'Maxwell's Demon' as a character, but that's a different article.[[Special:Contributions/68.97.202.187|68.97.202.187]] ([[User talk:68.97.202.187|talk]]) 15:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

== Sliders ==

In "Sliders" (Pilot film) the cat of the main character is named Schrodinger
12:59, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

== Poetry ==

There needs to be a poetry section, since there are myriads of poems on the subject, as the most cursory of web searches will attest. The four put up recently are some of the most interesting. Others should weigh in. The Cornell one is quite well known. [[Special:Contributions/178.208.160.216|178.208.160.216]] ([[User talk:178.208.160.216|talk]]) 13:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

== New article ==

This article has been [[WP:TNT|blown up]] and replaced, after the 4th AfD. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat_in_popular_culture&oldid=1124811248 Before], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat_in_popular_culture&oldid=1125413930 after AfD]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 04:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:34, 31 March 2024

Appeal to put YTMND on the whitelist

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Hi, i tried to add this line but the domain ytmnd is blocked.

  • YTMND features a site called "Schrödinger Explains YTMND: A Quantum NEDM" using one interpretation of the Schrodinger's cat paradox to explore the plausibility YTMND's so called alternative universes.[1]

References

  1. ^ "YTMND".


LOLcat

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[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.204.215 (talk) 22:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WebComics

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I know of at least one WebComic, xkcd, which makes reference to the Schrödinger's Cat concept, devoting an entire strip to it. http://xkcd.com/45/

I Play RS (talk) 00:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Cyanide and Happiness: http://www.explosm.net/comics/949/ 66.157.151.84 (talk) 12:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Dark Knight

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Anyone else feel that this section is not a reference to Schrodinger's Cat in pop culture? Sure, if you set up a wave function of the Dent/Dawes scenario, it could resemble the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment, but to say the scene is a reference to it - that would be like saying that the scene in Point Break where they sky dive is a reference to Sir Issac Newton.

I'm removing it, and if anyone disagrees, please revert and engage in a discussion.

Oh, and to the user who mentions the R.A.W. oversight - I referenced it in the previous talk-topic. Nice oversight.

BubbaStrangelove (talk) 09:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

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This page could really use some cleanup; its current state with numerous unnecessary one-paragraph sections, which are largely unsourced or based on non-notable material, is quite worrisome. —Admiral Norton (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

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I think that the introduction here suffers from its probable source in the Schrödinger's cat article. See my discussion there under Off the track again. He invented quantum mechanics. He wasn't trying to disprove it. Only to improve on the Copenhagen Interpretation, which he felt (I think correctly) deviated unnecessarily from his central mathematical formalism. David R. Ingham (talk) 23:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Serious Man and The Big Bang Theory

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Schroedinger's car is referenced by both the Coen brothers' movie A Serious Man and the comedy TV show about physicists: The Big Bang Theory. -NeF (talk) 02:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Ursula K. LeGuin's short story "Schrodinger's Cat" has been completely left off the page and yet I think it's one of the most referenced/taught allusions to Schrodinger's Cat in literature.

Steorling (talk) 16:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Stasheff's "A Wizard in Rhyme" series has the cat as a talking character

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It's been a while since I've read the books, but the cat is introduced as a talking companion to Matthew Mantrell (the main character) at some point in the books. I believe the cat continues through more than one book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wizard_in_Rhyme

The same series also introduces 'Maxwell's Demon' as a character, but that's a different article.68.97.202.187 (talk) 15:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sliders

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In "Sliders" (Pilot film) the cat of the main character is named Schrodinger 12:59, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Poetry

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There needs to be a poetry section, since there are myriads of poems on the subject, as the most cursory of web searches will attest. The four put up recently are some of the most interesting. Others should weigh in. The Cornell one is quite well known. 178.208.160.216 (talk) 13:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New article

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This article has been blown up and replaced, after the 4th AfD. Before, after AfD. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]