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I object to saying that the KKK is Christian. How can an anti-Semitic, racist, fascist murder group be even close to Christian? All ''true'' Christians love the Jews! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.237.97.73|76.237.97.73]] ([[User talk:76.237.97.73|talk]]) 16:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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::They believe they are Christian, and in America, you cannot change someone's beliefs, even if they seem morally wrong. I object to this institutions statements that they are christian as well, but there is not anything I can do about it, which defeats the purpose of declaring in order to persuade some change be brought about.
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[[Special:Contributions/69.201.159.52|69.201.159.52]] ([[User talk:69.201.159.52|talk]]) 15:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::Generally agree with IP 69, and want to add that they were indeed christian as individuals, and where not so much ignoring their faith when performing the lynchings and such, as they were misinterpreting it. This is the same way hitler considered himself christian, and convinced most of germany that his acts were chrisitian, and that to oppose him would be un-christian.[[User:Drew R. Smith|<b style="font-size:bigger;color:#900">''D''</b>]]rew [[User talk:Drew R. Smith|<b style="font-size:bigger;color:#900">''S''</b>mith]] [[Special:Contributions/Drew R. Smith|<i style="font-size:smaller;color:#ccc">What I've done</i>]] 01:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Drew,

Hitler & the Nazis absolutely did not consider themselves to be Christians or religious in any way. They were as "Godless" as Lenin and Stalin.--[[User:TL36|TL36]] ([[User talk:TL36|talk]]) 21:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

: This is completely wrong. the nazi movement were comprised by christians, and was supported by the churches. Himmler tried to found a cult based on mysticism within the SS, but the average nazi was as good a churchgoer as anyone else. As for Hitlers personal feelings:

::"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

::-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.252.232.98|83.252.232.98]] ([[User talk:83.252.232.98|talk]]) 16:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->



To answer the original poster, there has actually been a long history of conflict between Christians and Jews, see [[Christianity and antisemitism]]. Many German churches were decorated with the [[Judensau]]. A quote from the antisemitism article for you: {{cquote|"Without centuries of Christian antisemitism, Hitlers passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed...because for centuries Christians have held Jews collectively responsible for the death of Jesus. On Good Friday Jews, have in times past, cowered behind locked doors with fear of a Christian mob seeking 'revenge' for deicide. Without the poisoning of Christian minds through the centuries, the holocaust is unthinkable.[3] The dissident Catholic priest Hans Küng has written that "Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years' pre-history of 'Christian' anti-Judaism..."}}

So in conclusion, yes, the idea of a Christian organisation like the KKK being antisemitic is not that surprising. [[User:Josh Keen|Josh Keen]] ([[User talk:Josh Keen|talk]]) 02:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Back in the 1920's some smaller KKK groups formed in the north that were strong Christians. Some of theses groups were not against blacks but were against Italians. It depends largely on geography and crime in the area the way some of these groups developed. This was during a period when there was strong mafia control in some neighborhoods that these short lived KKK groups were trying to eliminate.--[[User:Windowasher|Windowasher]] ([[User talk:Windowasher|talk]]) 19:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

:This is basly confused. Almost all of the second Klan hated Italians: the KKK hated all immigrants and all Catholics, and the Italians were both. A considerable number of Italians were lynched by Klansmen, and it had nothing to do with alleged Mafia connections. The Klan also considered itself as strongly Protestant Christian, and would not accept any other religions; that was true regardless of whether it was concentrating its hatred against blacks, Italians, or any other minority. [[User:Piratedan|Pirate Dan]] ([[User talk:Piratedan|talk]]) 16:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== Dud link ==

The link at [http://reactor-core.org/original-kkk.html http://reactor-core.org/original-kkk.html] does not connect to anything related to the Klan. The only reference to the Klan that I found at that site is at [http://reactor-core.org/imperium.html http://reactor-core.org/imperium.html] - [[User:Wertperch|wertperch]] ([[User talk:Wertperch|talk]]) 04:08, 31 October 2009 (UTC).

== KKK Australia branch ==

Apparently a branch of the KKK in was formed in Australia back in 1999 according to this BBC News article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/358783.stm


== “Far-right” ==
Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?
--[[User:Cab88|Cab88]] ([[User talk:Cab88|talk]]) 22:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


“Extremist” would be more accurate than “far-right.” The KKK began as an organization of Southern Democrats after the Civil War; for the group’s political coloration through the early 20th century, see https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-guide-to-african-american-history/ku-klux-klan-kkk/AF98C32F011BFB6DBD98879DE0F08C73, which notes, “In the 1868 elections, alongside Knights of the White Camellia, they murdered 1,000 black and white Republicans in Louisiana alone. […]
there's plenty of articles about klan presence in Australia.
Between 1877 and 1910 the KKK fueled Democrats’ push to establish one-party rule and Jim Crow.” While members of both parties have been supported by or even affiliated with the group, historically the association with Democrats has been stronger; for instance, Wikipedia’s own article on “Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics” lists ten US Senators in this company, seven of them Democrats ([[Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics]]). At the 1924 Democratic National Convention, “The Klan endorsed William Gibbs McAdoo, the frontrunner for the nomination. Senator Oscar Underwood of Alabama and Governor Al Smith of New York both called upon the party to repudiate the Klan by name in the platform. This motion failed by four votes” (https://www1.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/Klan.html), although Underwood and Smith were able, after considerable maneuvering, to block McAdoo’s nomination and eventually to include the repudiation in the party platform. As an illustration of one prominent Democratic politician who got his start via the Klan, longtime US Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) joined the KKK in his youth to further his political career and advanced to the rank of Exalted Cyclops, recruiting some 150 new members (https://www.newsweek.com/did-joe-biden-attend-kkk-leader-funeral-ted-cruz-fact-check-1823670). While Byrd later repented of these actions and sought to distance himself from them, it is telling that by his own account, he believed that active Klan work would be a good path to political success in the heavily Democratic West Virginia of the 1940s. By no stretch of the imagination can figures such as Byrd, Justice Hugo Black, and various other stalwarts of the Democratic Party be described as “far-right.” [[User:HezekiahLee|HezekiahLee]] ([[User talk:HezekiahLee|talk]]) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/we-have-infiltrated-party-kkk-20090709-der4.html
http://www.news.com.au/kkk-offshoot-targets-australia/story-e6frfkp9-111111348150
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/07/06/5218_news.html
http://silverfernlotie.net/


:This topic has been brought up many many times. There really should be an FAQ on this at the top, though I'm not sure how effective that would be. As has been said, "we go by what reliable sources in academic political science tells us, not our own analysis." [[User:Darknipples|DN]] ([[User talk:Darknipples|talk]]) 20:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
There should be a headline about international klan chapters, since it's not only in America these days but in many other countries like Scotland, England, Australia, New Zealand & Germany.
::There seem to be no citations provided to substantiate calling it far-right, though. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:3D2D:8810:B599:D756:C114:CFF0|2600:1700:3D2D:8810:B599:D756:C114:CFF0]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:3D2D:8810:B599:D756:C114:CFF0|talk]]) 05:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
--[[User:Vernex3|Vernex3]] ([[User talk:Vernex3|talk]]) 22:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
* The Klan did not formally exist from Reconstruction until it was re-established in 1915. The Klan backed Republicans where there was a Republican majority (see [[Owen Brewster]] in Maine, for example) and Democrats where there was a Democratic majority. Nothing you've stated disputes the Klan being considered far-right. Does an organization which murders 1,000 people in a single year to prevent black voting rights sound otherwise to you?--[[User:Namiba]]


== Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2024 ==
== Conflicting data for peak membership ==


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The opening paragraphs of the article state the peak membership in the 1920s was 4-5 million. The sidebar shows it to be 6 million. Both have footnotes referencing independent sources. Does anyone know which is correct?
[[User:LarryJeff|LarryJeff]] ([[User talk:LarryJeff|talk]]) 22:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Marie Assadourian|Marie Assadourian]] ([[User talk:Marie Assadourian|talk]]) 00:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)


== Derivation of the name? ==


I would like to understand why I cannot edit this page I am Armenian and Christian and I do not understand?
What's the etymology of the name? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.213.44.66|88.213.44.66]] ([[User talk:88.213.44.66|talk]]) 04:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
<br /><br />That's in the 1st paragraph of the section "First Klan; Creation." It's from the Greek word for "circle."
[[User:LarryJeff|LarryJeff]] ([[User talk:LarryJeff|talk]]) 18:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
It also promotes brothership. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/167.135.1.171|167.135.1.171]] ([[User talk:167.135.1.171|talk]]) 18:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Do not get upset at my honesty.
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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2024 ==
I may have been misinformed, but the way I was taught it, the KKK wasn't originally a racist hate group. I thought was just a fraternity for Civil War vets to get together and talk about the war, but then some renegade members starting lynching blacks and that the eventually, the lynnching Klansman outnumbered the legit Klansman and that the first KKK was disbanded by the very people who created it because it had turned into something that it wasn't supposed to be. Like I said, I could've been misinformed, but if I wasn't, should the article actually mention it? [[User:Emperor001|Emperor001]] ([[User talk:Emperor001|talk]]) 23:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:My dad told me the same thing more than once, so there may be at least a grain of truth there, but without a documented reference I don't think it's appropriate to include. [[User:LarryJeff|LarryJeff]] ([[User talk:LarryJeff|talk]]) 00:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
::I think I once saw a History Channel program that confirms this, but I don't know how to cite it. [[User:Emperor001|Emperor001]] ([[User talk:Emperor001|talk]]) 04:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


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I'm no Klan lover but the entire article is biased and does not reflect Wiki's policy of NPOV.
In the second paragraph it says that the Klan opposed Republican governed states, but Abraham Lincoln was a republican, and the segregationist's party at the time were Democrat aligned officials. It's blatant false, or reversed. [[Special:Contributions/184.157.241.145|184.157.241.145]] ([[User talk:184.157.241.145|talk]]) 02:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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“Far-right”

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“Extremist” would be more accurate than “far-right.” The KKK began as an organization of Southern Democrats after the Civil War; for the group’s political coloration through the early 20th century, see https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-guide-to-african-american-history/ku-klux-klan-kkk/AF98C32F011BFB6DBD98879DE0F08C73, which notes, “In the 1868 elections, alongside Knights of the White Camellia, they murdered 1,000 black and white Republicans in Louisiana alone. […] Between 1877 and 1910 the KKK fueled Democrats’ push to establish one-party rule and Jim Crow.” While members of both parties have been supported by or even affiliated with the group, historically the association with Democrats has been stronger; for instance, Wikipedia’s own article on “Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics” lists ten US Senators in this company, seven of them Democrats (Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics). At the 1924 Democratic National Convention, “The Klan endorsed William Gibbs McAdoo, the frontrunner for the nomination. Senator Oscar Underwood of Alabama and Governor Al Smith of New York both called upon the party to repudiate the Klan by name in the platform. This motion failed by four votes” (https://www1.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/Klan.html), although Underwood and Smith were able, after considerable maneuvering, to block McAdoo’s nomination and eventually to include the repudiation in the party platform. As an illustration of one prominent Democratic politician who got his start via the Klan, longtime US Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) joined the KKK in his youth to further his political career and advanced to the rank of Exalted Cyclops, recruiting some 150 new members (https://www.newsweek.com/did-joe-biden-attend-kkk-leader-funeral-ted-cruz-fact-check-1823670). While Byrd later repented of these actions and sought to distance himself from them, it is telling that by his own account, he believed that active Klan work would be a good path to political success in the heavily Democratic West Virginia of the 1940s. By no stretch of the imagination can figures such as Byrd, Justice Hugo Black, and various other stalwarts of the Democratic Party be described as “far-right.” HezekiahLee (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This topic has been brought up many many times. There really should be an FAQ on this at the top, though I'm not sure how effective that would be. As has been said, "we go by what reliable sources in academic political science tells us, not our own analysis." DN (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There seem to be no citations provided to substantiate calling it far-right, though. 2600:1700:3D2D:8810:B599:D756:C114:CFF0 (talk) 05:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Klan did not formally exist from Reconstruction until it was re-established in 1915. The Klan backed Republicans where there was a Republican majority (see Owen Brewster in Maine, for example) and Democrats where there was a Democratic majority. Nothing you've stated disputes the Klan being considered far-right. Does an organization which murders 1,000 people in a single year to prevent black voting rights sound otherwise to you?--User:Namiba

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Marie Assadourian (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to understand why I cannot edit this page I am Armenian and Christian and I do not understand?

Do not get upset at my honesty.

The page is semi-protected due to a history of vandalism. You can edit this and other semi-protected pages when your account has at least 10 edits and is at least 4 days old. See WP:SEMI RudolfRed (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the second paragraph it says that the Klan opposed Republican governed states, but Abraham Lincoln was a republican, and the segregationist's party at the time were Democrat aligned officials. It's blatant false, or reversed. 184.157.241.145 (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 02:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]