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== Happy New Year, Hipal! == |
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'''Hipal''',<br />Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable [[New Year]], and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. |
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<br />[[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 03:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)<br /><br /> |
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== Happy New Year, Hipal! == |
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Here are a few examples of what I have told you regarding beer articles: |
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'''Hipal''',<br />Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable [[New Year]], and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. |
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<br /><span style="color: blue">—</span> [[User:Moops|<span style="color: green ">Moops</span>]] <sup><span style="font-size:80%">⋠[[User talk:Moops|<span style="color: indigo">'''T'''</span>]]⋡</span></sup> 02:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)<br /><br /> |
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== Lucie Fink Deletion == |
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http://jeannierenee.com/<br /> |
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http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/index.html <br /> |
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http://www.evansale.com/index.html<br /> |
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http://www.plumpjackwines.com/plumpjackwines/<br /> |
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http://appellationbeer.com/<br /> |
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http://www.belgianexperts.com/<br /> |
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http://www.mensjournal.com/<br /> |
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http://www.traveliana.com/<br /> |
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Wheeler, G. & Roger Protz. Brew Your Own British Real Ale at Home, CAMRA Books, 1996. ISBN 1-85249-138-8 (article on a Belgian Flanders red)<br /> |
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Why did you delete Lucie Fink? The page was legitimate and verifiable. [[User:Paulthelawyer|Paulthelawyer]] ([[User talk:Paulthelawyer|talk]]) 05:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC) |
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Please note: all of these (with the exception of traveliana) are on Belgian beer articles. |
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:Paulthelawyer is referring to the [[Lucie Fink]] article, which you PRODded. I restored it per [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion&diff=1132901344&oldid=1132900787 this REFUND request], but I wanted to let you know in case you want to take it to AfD. Cheers, [[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 05:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC) |
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Can we please keep discussion of this on this talk page. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/83.163.63.37|83.163.63.37]] ([[User talk:83.163.63.37|talk]]) 11:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Paulthelawyer}} Do you have a [[WP:COI]] with the article, as editors have indicated on the article talk page? --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::Isn't that what I wrote? [[Special:Contributions/83.163.63.37|83.163.63.37]] ([[User talk:83.163.63.37|talk]]) 16:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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I don't understand why you are ignoring this message. Would you mind telling me? [[Special:Contributions/83.163.63.37|83.163.63.37]] ([[User talk:83.163.63.37|talk]]) 19:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:What articles? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::[[Beer in Belgium]], [[wheat beer]], [[saison]], [[tripel]] and [[Flander red ale]]. [[Special:Contributions/83.163.63.37|83.163.63.37]] ([[User talk:83.163.63.37|talk]]) 11:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==Re: ethnicelebs.com as a reference== |
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== External Links - Analytic Hierarchy Process == |
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Hi, first of all, sorry for my bad English... :-) Thank you for explaining to me how to use sources in English Wikipedia in the future. I point out that I have expanded the article this time using the geneastar.org source, which was already present in the article (I had to register to find the information, and in fact they are slightly different from what ethnicelebs.com reported). I hope now Ron DeSantis article is okay. Thanks again. --[[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 21:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC). |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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I'm in sympathy with efforts to keep a lid on superfluous External links, but I can't figure out what you're up to here. There are only three external links remaining in this article (after a high of 12), yet for some reason you reverted the recent removal of a tag on the section. If you don't like the remaining links, maybe you could just delete them. (IMHO, they're not very useful.) [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 17:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Simply I placed the tag there to indicate that the links need review. I restored the tag because it was removed while a very questionable one was still there. I'll eventually get around to reviewing them all if no one else does first. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::I agree that the questionable link was questionable. It's gone now, though. I looked at the three that are left, and I would only keep Meixner, which IMHO is indeed useful in understanding the hard-to-understand math. Teknomo has some value, but its English isn't so good and it's focused on MCDA rather than AHP. The IT Options Analysis is just a paper on an application of AHP, of which there are hundreds. There's no reason to have it as an external link. |
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== Michael O'Leary (Businessman) == |
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::I propose deleting Teknomo and IT Options Analysis, then removing the tag. [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 02:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for looking into the remaining links. I've gone ahead and removed the two and the tag. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::GMTA! ;-) [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 18:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi Hipal (or is there a concealed tautology in that?) |
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== Kneeling chair page == |
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I read the edit summary for your revert and note that, of the 2 issues, you address only citations. I have reread the text and you will see what I said about fanPOV. Hence I have reduced the tag to leave just the one issue. |
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May I ask you to look at that issue again. I examined the references and they are mostly from perfectly reputable sources- Irish Times, New York Times, Irish Independent, Forbes, BBC etc. |
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I also checked the few refs from biographies which MIGHT be favourable, and they refer only to the most basic biographical information. [[User:Aineireland|Aineireland]] ([[User talk:Aineireland|talk]]) 19:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:I responded on the article talk page, referring to my original addition of the tag. In this case, there's a clear anti-fan pov problem. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 21:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== what to do? == |
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Dear User. Just wanted to ask. I found such parts of text on the Gecko browser page: |
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I would like to recommend that you add a photograph of the original kneeling chair, the Variable balans to this article....i am not able to do so. |
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Development of the layout engine now known as Gecko began at [[Netscape Communications Corporation|Netscape]] in 1997, following the company's purchase of [[DigitalStyle]]. The existing Netscape rendering engine, originally written for [[Netscape Navigator]] 1.0 and upgraded through the years, was slow, did not comply well with W3C standards, had limited support for [[dynamic HTML]] and lacked features such as incremental reflow (when the layout engine rearranges elements on the screen as new data is downloaded and added to the page). The new layout engine was developed in parallel with the old, with the intention being to integrate it into Netscape Communicator when it was mature and stable. At least one more major revision of Netscape was expected to be released with the old layout engine before the switch. |
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It seems odd that an article on kneeling chairs does not contain the standard by which all another chairs in the category derived. |
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After the launch of the Mozilla project in early 1998, the new layout engine code was released under an open-source license. Originally unveiled as ''Raptor'', the name had to be changed to ''NGLayout'' (next generation layout) due to [[trademark]] problems. Netscape later rebranded NGLayout as ''Gecko''. While [[Mozilla Organization]] (the forerunner of the [[Mozilla Foundation]]) initially continued to use the NGLayout name (Gecko was a Netscape trademark), eventually the Gecko branding won out.<sup>[''[[Wikipedia:Citation needed|citation needed]]'']</sup> |
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Thanks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.84.19.174|69.84.19.174]] ([[User talk:69.84.19.174|talk]]) 13:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Sounds like a good idea, but finding acceptable images can be difficult. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Free or Open Source Information Extraction Software == |
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and many more. they are not linked with news websites, nor books. How do you address such issues? it that normal? [[User:V21v|V21v]] ([[User talk:V21v|talk]]) 16:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello Ronz. I believe there should be a "Free or Open Source Information Extraction Software" section in the article "Information Extraction". Except for GATE, OpenCalais is a very useful service, gaining more and more popularity, although it could be also seen as a service for named entity recognition. CRF++ is also a very good tool for IE used in several IE projects. Other tools exist as well. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:George1975|George1975]] ([[User talk:George1975|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/George1975|contribs]]) 14:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Hi V21v. I'm not clear about what you're asking, but I'll try to respond best I can: |
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:I don't have a problem listing notable tools (tools with their own article). Unfortunately, only one entry has its own article, and that article has no references to show [[WP:N]] has been met. [[WP:WTAF]] so it's clear we're encouraging notable entries rather than [[WP:SPAM]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:You're quoting content from [[Gecko (software)]], and that content does not appear to be [[WP:V|verified]] with a reference. I expect in a case like this, an editor could find suitable references to use by searching the Internet. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Sam AI BLP == |
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Hello, Hipal and/or Ronz. I'm unsure if this is a shared account. I notice that Ronz is on break from Wikipedia. If Hipal = Ronz, please accept my apologies for this intrusion. The most recent entry on the BLP talk page of the now very-famous SV entrepreneur [[Sam Altman|Sam, the "chatty" AI guy]] indicates removal of his marital/partner status. I am confused, because the source is WP:RS, it being ''The New York Times''. I also noticed your stated mission in editing Wikipedia, which seems to be one of tact while preserving integrity. That is why I'm broaching this here, not on the article talk page. Specifically, I need to know if there a reason for excluding that information from the BLP? If so, I will not reinsert it. |
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If you respond here, please ping me, if you would be so kind? |
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Thanks. I updated the page, since I usually use it to compare different wiki farms. In fact, it was that article that helped me find Referata and YourWiki. Before I learned about them, I used [[Wikia]] to host all the wikis I'm involved it. I just wanted to make sure that the article remains useful to others. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 00:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC) |
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No, I am not a troll nor (very) autistic! My reason for making this belabored inquiry is as follows: I became a childless widow at a young age, so I keep an eye out for unmarried men during the course of my Wikipedia editing. I know that widowed Wikipedia readers do too! It is helpful for us to be informed of the sort of information that was deleted from Chatty Sam's BLP. Thank you for reading this; I apologize for the lengthiness. -- [[User:FeralOink|FeralOink]] ([[User talk:FeralOink|talk]]) 15:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Greek shops == |
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:Hello again! '''''Now''''' I understand! I just went through the history and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sam_Altman&oldid=1151639301|saw this edit]. Please disregard my prior message. Sorry for the clutter; you can delete or hat it if you prefer. I '''DO''' agree with you, about the article having a promotional aspect, and thank you for tagging it. I'll do some editing and try to address that now.--[[User:FeralOink|FeralOink]] ([[User talk:FeralOink|talk]]) 15:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::Sorry for the confusion. Glad that you're looking into the article. I did some quick cleanup, but there are still questionable sources and content based upon them. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Sandy Koufax family origins == |
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Which part of the reliable source guideline are you citing when removing "greekshops" as a reference? I did a quick check and the only thing related I could find was that promotional type websites should not be used to make "big" claims. Sourcing a chronology or release year is not a problem as far as I can see. [[User:Grk1011|Grk1011/Stephen]] ([[User talk:Grk1011|talk]]) 19:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Second paragraph of [[WP:RS]], "Wikipedia articles[2] should rely primarily on reliable, third-party, published sources (although reliable self-published sources are allowable in some situations – see below). Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. " |
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:Promotional material is discussed in [[WP:PROMO]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:There's also the problem that these links were spammed. See [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2008_Archive_Jul_1#http:.2F.2Fspam.greekshops.com]] --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Hey, @[[User:Hipal|Hipal]]. I noticed you removed the information I added about Koufax's family. The reason I used these sources is because they are also used on other pages and thought it would be alright. I also found the information to match other sources. |
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If I am mistake as to the reason you removed them, I apologize. I am still quite new to all this and figuring my way around. [[User:All The Knowledge in the World|All The Knowledge in the World]] ([[User talk:All The Knowledge in the World|talk]]) 13:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Menachem Mendel Schneerson == |
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:Those sources are unreliable and should not be used, which you seem to understand for one [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sandy_Koufax&diff=1152814305&oldid=1152811923] Point out any other pages using such sources, and I'll remove them too. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I understand. Will keep in mind and not use these sources. I now went back and noticed those pages are not featured articles and, hence, not as accurate. I will remove such sources myself should I come across them. |
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::Thank you for your help. Much appreciated! [[User:All The Knowledge in the World|All The Knowledge in the World]] ([[User talk:All The Knowledge in the World|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I would like you to clarify something: Find A Grave is used as a source in a lot of deceased peoples' pages. Is that source considered accurate? |
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::Also, should refrain from using geneology sites when referring to a person's relatives/ancestors? Would really appreciate the help. [[User:All The Knowledge in the World|All The Knowledge in the World]] ([[User talk:All The Knowledge in the World|talk]]) 18:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Take a look at the listings at [[WP:RSP]]. There are some genealogical sites that are reliable, but many include user-generated content. Find-a-grave links are an ongoing problem, but I've not kept up to date on the efforts to remove it as a reference and minimize its use as an external link. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 19:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Will keep a lookout for those links then. Thank you very much for your help. [[User:All The Knowledge in the World|All The Knowledge in the World]] ([[User talk:All The Knowledge in the World|talk]]) 19:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Fiona Apple == |
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Unless I missed something the only issue with those sources was with the blog, not the book. So I reinstated the book. If I am mistaken, please point me to the place such consensus was reached. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 18:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. The question of the book doesn't appear settled yet. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks for the fix. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 19:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi. I am so sorry. I forgot about that. Thanks for the help there! [[Special:Contributions/152.168.30.193|152.168.30.193]] ([[User talk:152.168.30.193|talk]]) 16:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Thanks == |
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== PragerU Kids sourcing == |
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Thank you for your unbiased edits which improved that article. My military decorationsare not trivial BTW. After All have YOU been awarded an Army Commendation medal for heroism? Think about it --- :) Please reconsider adding that content. Thanks. :) [[User:Jvmphoto|Jvmphoto]] ([[User talk:Jvmphoto|talk]]) 20:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Sorry about that. I believe such military decorations are worth mentioning. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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What's wrong with primary sourcing here? From my understanding independent sourcing is generally required to avoid NPOV problems and to establish the notability of a topic in the first place, so that had seemed fine to be primary sourced, although I'm not too clear on the guidelines for media summary. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 22:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Gene Savoy]] article == |
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:Hi MasterTriangle12. Thanks for following up with me on this. |
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:It's their self-published information promoting themselves, so fails NOT ([[WP:NOTPROMO]]) and POV ([[WP:BESTSOURCES]]). --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 23:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::BESTSOURCES is the most general summary of NPOV sourcing, reading further gives a better idea of sourcing policy. [[WP:PRIMARYCARE]] is a general overview of using primary sources, and the use of primary sources for media summaries like this. As to NOTPROMO was that just about including the quote from their website? I did want to make that whole quote a link to [[cultural marxism]] just for clarity, but that would probably be going too far with meta-editorialization. I think some of the wording could probably be changed to ensure that it cannot be interpreted as puffery though, which specific parts of those paragraphs did you think were not appropriate? [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 06:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Without a high-quality, clearly independent reference to draw upon, I don't see any way to move forward per NOT and POV. We're writing encyclopedia articles, not advertising copy. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I don't think that can easily be interpreted as advertising, and a few small changes would make that not a problem. I think you are misinterpreting those policies as being far more restrictive than they actually are, since it sounds like you think that primary sources cannot be used at all to describe what a company does or produces, or their statements about what they do, which is only the case for the being the basis of an ''article topic'' (often misread as being broader than that). NPOV & PROMO can certainly be used as part of an argument against including primary sourced material, sometimes even the whole argument if it is bad enough, but that is very different from it simply not being allowed, and there are several clarifications in the policies that detail where this is allowed. Maybe have a look over the policies that clarify this particular situation ([[WP:ABOUTSELF]], [[WP:USEPRIMARY]], [[WP:USINGSPS]]) and articulate where you think those paragraphs went wrong, if you are not specific then I don't know what part you had a problem with so I can fix it up. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 01:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I will try to get some extra sourcing though anyhow, it's not like it shouldn't be done better. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 03:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::We seem to disagree on basic policy. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was laying down the final word on those policies or anything, I guess I slipped into too authoritative a tone since it is just my reading and interpretation of the policies. |
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::::::I was describing all that with a lot of detail to make it easier for you to identify how I interpret the policies and give you some starting points to describe '''where''' you disagree, or to be more specific about your disagreement with the content. I would prefer more than just a generality about what you thought was lacking before I start coming up with improvements. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 07:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Thanks. I don't see how a corporation's own press about themselves is encyclopedic in most cases. If it's worth noting, an independent publisher will note it. I'm concerned that NOT is being overlooked. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::Ah, notability, got it. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 20:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::What's [[WP:NOTEWORTHY]] within an article, not the merit of a topic for its own article. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 01:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I am aware of that difference. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 06:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::I wish policies were clearer on it. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Yeah, it's pretty good for factual claims about the world but when it comes to media or politics it's a bit scant. Even if they were just more explicit about where editors should use discretion or discuss it between themselves rather than leaving us wondering if we are missing some bit of policy. |
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::::::::::::Anyhow, I'm kinda thinking that whole section could do without the description of the shows, it's not that useful and as you noted the sourcing is poor. I'd like to have at least the count of the episodes to illustrate that the kids section is a large part of what they do now, that's primary-sourceable if dated, but it's a bit hard to find any other RSs that mention the program in enough detail to be worth citing, probably because they only started going hard on the youngsters in the last few years. |
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::::::::::::I'd still like to mention that quote, since it is quite indicative of their intent, but there's a big problem, where not explaining that it is a conspiracy theory is WP:FRINGE and just irresponsible, but explaining it would basically be OR. Would like to mention their classroom "study guides" too, but same sourcing problems, they don't publicise that program outside their bubble so it's mostly just little op-eds and posts from parents complaining about their kids being taught that non-conservative thought is the devil or whatever. |
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::::::::::::I should probably just make a thread on the talk page about the various kids stuff, the page is kinda lacking for how big the program is. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 08:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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{{unindent}}https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/prageru-kids-radical-right-wing-content-children doesn't appear reliable, and I'm not seeing anything obvious in it's references that would be helpful. It's the best I can find. It's probably too early, but I expect there will be usable references within a year. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:Here's another by the same Prospect author as the ref that's currently used: |
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*https://prospect.org/education/right-curriculum-how-prageru-infiltrates-schools/ |
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:I don't have time to look at these closely. If nothing else, their own references could be useful: |
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*https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.2023.2219167?journalCode=rpop20 |
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*https://static1.squarespace.com/enwiki/static/5b0ee82df793927c77add8b6/t/626d6809a6dae5568cbdd65c/1651337225681/McCarthy+Hegemony+of+the+Right+Final+Proof.pdf |
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: --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Ay, I hadn't seen that Prospect article, seems quite useful although I guess would have to be attributed, thanks! Do you have access to that journal article? I messaged the author and they said they are trying to change it to open access, but didn't say how long that might take. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 21:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I don't have access either. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 00:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::That Dickinson-Cowin journal article just got opened up https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4187075 [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 05:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks. Wow, there's a lot in that paper! Let's discuss on the article talk. |
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:::::<s>Looking a bit closer, I'm not sure what to make of it.</s> --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Yeah, it is mostly describing the significance of the role PU is playing in radicalisation and making a call for further study, but if nothing else it is at least a good supporting source for some things. One important thing that it notes is PU trying to reframe it's fairly extreme ideologies as centrist and/or academic but I'm not sure how to work that in. [[User:MasterTriangle12|MasterTriangle12]] ([[User talk:MasterTriangle12|talk]]) 05:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::I was having some difficulties with reading the reference. Fixed now. |
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:::::::If we treat it as the highest-quality reference we have, then the POV of the Wikipedia page should be changed considerably along the lines you've identified. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC) |
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==3O== |
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Dear Ronz, |
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Just a notification about a [[Wikipedia:3o#Active disagreements|pending 3O]]. [[User:CurryCity|CurryCity]] ([[User talk:CurryCity|talk]]) 00:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== DRC == |
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I am rather new at editing on Wikipedia, and so may be unaware of certain editing guidelines and general procedures, but I am surprised that you deleted all my recent additions to the article on Gene Savoy. Why delete additional titles of books by Gene Savoy under the section titled "Books by Gene Savoy"? Why delete additional links that lead to information that is supportive or gives positive recognition of Gene Savoy rather than including only links to information that is derogatory or insulting? And why do you object to moving controversial and highly-opinionated statements into a section titled "Controversy" rather than leaving them in the main body of the article where such statements can color the whole tone of the article? Please explain your purposes thoroughly. You seem to have "been around" for awhile, and I would appreciate knowing what the procedures are for making sure that an article like this one can become balanced rather than continue as it is. [[User:RGP|RGP]] ([[User talk:RGP|talk]]) 19:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for discussing this with me. |
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:Have you looked at [[WP:NPOV]] yet? It's by far the most complicated Wikipedia policy. Complicated enough to have its own [[WP:NPOV/FAQ|FAQ]] and [[WP:NPOVT|tutorial]]. |
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:"Controversy" sections and the like are specifically discouraged per [[WP:STRUCTURE]]. |
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:Adding links just to create a supposed balance is usually inappropriate as well. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::After reading VPOV and all of its various sub-articles, I do find that Wikipedia prefers "folding debates into the narrative" to creating a "Controversy" section. |
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::But I find no legitimate reason to delete a complete list of books by an author who is the subject of an article. What is your reason? |
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::I also cannot find the Wikipedia policy that supports your elimination of all the external links I added. I can see why you might want to eliminate a single newspaper article that is not being used as a reference source. But why eliminate links to major YouTube coverage related to the subject's life and work? Or links to an article on the subject in Encyclopedia Britannica or some other online encyclopedia? Or a link to an online list of feature articles written about the subject? Please explain.[[User:RGP|RGP]] ([[User talk:RGP|talk]]) 22:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry that I didn't cover everything in my first reply: |
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:::A list of major works by the subject of an article is acceptable, but what constitutes "major" works is usually settled on a case by case situation. Anything with its own article should be listed, of course. Self-published material not otherwise notable should not be listed. I don't think anyone would argue against entries that come from an independent, reliable source. Best if we discuss this further on the talk page so others can easily join the discussion. |
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:::You added the links as if they were sources, which they weren't. [[WP:UNDUE]] specifically mentions NPOV issues with regard to external links. [[WP:EL]] is the general guideline for external links. |
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:::I'm adding back the Britannica link, though we should incorporate it as a ref. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 22:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: Thanks. I would appreciate continuing discussion on these points on the article talk page as soon as possible. Please make the arrangements. As I said earlier, I am new at this and do not know the protocol.[[User:RGP|RGP]] ([[User talk:RGP|talk]]) 18:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::You're doing great. Go ahead and start some discussions on the article talk page. Maybe one for what works to list, another for potential sources where you could include the links. I look forward to the discussion. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::: I have finally completed the article on [[International Community of Christ]] so that some of the doctrinal material there may be referred to in the Gene Savoy biography rather than simply repeating it in the context of the biography. Please take a look when you have time and let me know what you think. I would like to have the church article clean and neutral before removing Gene Savoy's "teachings" from his biography. Building up the "theory" section is next. After that, and some cleanup, it should be ready for the wikipedia biogrpahers to have a look at it. --[[User:RGP|RGP]] ([[User talk:RGP|talk]]) 00:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::: Good job getting that started! Happy Holidays! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC) |
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No problem at all! Good catch anyway. Some items in biographies are absolutely brutal to find on the web in referencing. [[User:Red Director|Red Director]] ([[User talk:Red Director|talk]]) 02:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Question on removed external links in [[Latent semantic analysis]]== |
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== Nomination of [[:SALt lamp]] for deletion == |
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Hi Ronz, |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:SALt lamp]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. |
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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SALt lamp (2nd nomination)]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. |
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I noticed that you cleaned up the external links section on Latent Semantic Analysis (LSA) on October 7th. Thank you for removing the spam link. However, I disagree with your removal of the Sense Clusters and S-Space Package links. As an active researcher in the field, these links provide significant value to those visitors who would like to see how LSA could be implemented. LSA is a non-trivial algorithm and the links provide detailed information for software developers. I believe this falls under the "accurate material that cannot be integrated into Wikipedia due to amount of detail" on the WP:EL page. Furthermore, both highlight different aspects of how LSA can be used within the Natural Language Processing field, which is not intuitive from the content of the Wikipedia article. If you still believe they should not be present, could you clarify your reasoning? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Juggernaut the|Juggernaut the]] ([[User talk:Juggernaut the|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Juggernaut the|contribs]]) 23:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the comment. |
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:"to those visitors who would like to see how LSA could be implemented" I don't think that is close enough to the topic of the article nor the purpose of Wikipedia ([[WP:NOT]], especially [[WP:NOTHOWTO]]). --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. |
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::Thank you for the reply. |
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<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> [[User:99% fad-free|99% fad-free]] ([[User talk:99% fad-free|talk]]) 10:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::However, I would counter that LSA is fundamentally an algorithm. As such, implementing it an interesting research question, and is itself briefly discussed in the article. If you examine other algorithm pages, e.g. [[Merge Sort]], [[Latent Dirichlet allocation]] (an LSA-like algorithm), or even the [[Singular Value Decomposition]] page (which is fundamental to LSA), these all include discussions of how the algorithm is implemented and provide external links to how the algorithm could be realized. I don't think Sense Clusters and the S-Space Package are how-to in the sense that [[WP:NOTHOWTO]]. Moreover, both frame LSA within the larger contexts: Sense Clusters for information retrieval and S-Space Package for linguistics and cognitive science. -- [[User:Juggernaut the|Juggernaut the]] ([[User talk:Juggernaut the|talk]]) 06:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I suggest we continue this discussion at the article talk page. Since it's just the two of us so far, [[WP:THIRD]] might be a helpful step as well. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 15:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Hi Ronz, it's been over two months, and a third party has yet to comment on our discussion on the [[Talk:Latent_semantic_analysis]] page. Do you know of an editor who might help in the discussion? [[User:Juggernaut the|Juggernaut the]] ([[User talk:Juggernaut the|talk]]) 21:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks for the reminder. I'll see what I can do to get some perspective from others. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I've cleaned up the article talk page, replied, and asked for help at WP:THIRD. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 22:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Heritage revert. == |
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==Third molar== |
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with link submission? I will, but I don't know whats the problem with my site. |
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Hello. Did you read my edit summary? Conservative is in the following sentence, with the same link. Please undo your revert.[[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 20:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC) |
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With regards, |
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:Did you read mine? What do you think of the current version? --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 20:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::Current one seems OK, thanks. The real problem is the use of the loaded and imprecise term "think tank" -- although there are plenty of sources that call it that, there are also plenty that call BS on that. It's fundamentally a partisan advocacy organization that cloaks itself in narratives that appear to be credible policy investigations but do not reflect rigorous mainstream thinking. Removing "think tank" would be good, but I suspect it would be controversial on the talk page.[[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 22:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks. I agree that replacing "think tank" would be an improvement, but could be difficult. It would likely take some very good, in-depth references. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Want an image for an article? == |
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Dusan <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/93.103.173.144|93.103.173.144]] ([[User talk:93.103.173.144|talk]]) 16:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for discussing this with me. |
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:Prior to your commenting above, your only contributions to Wikipedia were adding links to your websites. See [[WP:PROMO]], [[WP:COI]], [[WP:PROMOTION]], and [[WP:ELNO]] #1 and #4. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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So, in the interests of [[I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship|ITTITBOABF]] I thought I'd offer to search for a free image for an article you worked on. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:GRuban I do that]. My hit rate for this sort of thing is about 10-20%, so I can't guarantee anything, but that's not 0. I looked at articles you've been working on recently, and saw [[Sommer Ray]], which I can actually find a free image or two for; specifically she has marked [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sommer+ray&sp=EgIwAQ%253D%253D a few of her YouTube videos Creative Commons Attribution], so we can use them, and I'd happily take a screenshot or two. However I looked a bit more closely at [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sommer_Ray&action=history your edits there], and they're actually more deleting bits of that article rather than trying to expand it, so I'm not at all sure you'll be grateful to me for adding to it. I tried to find [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Hipal&namespace=0&tagfilter=&newOnly=1&start=&end=&limit=50 articles that you created], that I could try to illustrate, and couldn't find any. So - would you like me to add images to [[Sommer Ray]]? If not, are there any articles that you ''would'' be happy if I was able to illustrate? --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 20:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC) |
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==Hypnosis== |
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:Thanks for the offer. Sommer Ray is a mess where I did some basic BLP cleanup. I hope to avoid more work on it given what looks like fan/UPE editing there. |
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Hello Ronz, |
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:I do run across articles that need images, but I don't keep track. |
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:There was an RfC at [[Sia]] not long ago where editors were struggling to choose its initial image. They settled for a 2006 image. A more recent one would likely be of help. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 21:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::[[File:Sia interview Margaret Gardiner.jpg|right|thumb|[[Sia]] interviewed by [[Margaret Gardiner (Miss Universe) |Margaret Gardiner]] in 2021]] Wow, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sia_(musician) has many good images. I uploaded one from 2021, but it is much lower quality. I am not sure I'd be able to convince other editors it would be better than the other images just because it is more recent. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 23:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for looking. Yes, I agree it would be rejected because of the low resolution. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 00:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Sommer Ray]] == |
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Thank you for your message. |
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Hey I'm concerned you might have violated the [[WP:3RR]] on [[Sommer Ray]]. I understand that BLP is an exception, but the information you reverted is not libelous or unsourced, as the BLP exemption only applies to libelous, unsourced, poorly sourced and contentious material. Contentious, maybe, but you're probably not going to be able to successfully argue for a 3RR exemption with NYTimes sourcing. <b><span style="color:#0080FB">Invading</span><span style="color:#0668E1">Invader</span></b> ([[User:InvadingInvader|userpage]], [[User talk:InvadingInvader|talk]]) 01:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC) |
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I'm very keen on adding additional value to Wikipedia and felt that offering users an external link to user based reviews would be of value to the information already being offered. I have read the external links guide and felt the content I'm offering flowed from the article and due to its nature, was unsuitable for integration within the article itself. |
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:I'm the one that asked you to use edit requests so that you wouldn't be seen as continuing to edit war and ignoring the requirements of BLP. It's a BLP and under sanctions. |
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:My standard offer applies. I'd ask you to stop adding to it without clear consensus as BLP requires, so we don't have to worry about you being blocked or worse. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 01:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|InvadingInvader}} Please respond. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Not sure if Requested Edits is the best venue for the current developments – I think we're on a good track right now with smaller edits. In the future, please consider partial reverts instead of solving dandruffs with a decapitation. Since Dexerto seems to be our biggest point of contention, probably best to wait for the discussion to close since there is a CR there. Feel free to leave your own opinion on the source as well. <b><span style="color:#0080FB">Invading</span><span style="color:#0668E1">Invader</span></b> ([[User:InvadingInvader|userpage]], [[User talk:InvadingInvader|talk]]) 16:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I'm going to go ahead with my standard offer, {{tq|I am usually open to holding myself to [[WP:1RR|one revert]]...}} |
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::::Smaller edits are always helpful, but without consensus behind them, they are edit-warring against BLP and applicable sanctions. |
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::::Dexerto is not remotely our biggest point of contention. |
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::::I'm afraid we cannot continue as we are doing. I'm going to hold myself to 1RR. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|InvadingInvader}} Please respond. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Not sure what to say beyond the following. I'm not in favor of using requested edits as it implies I am a connected contributor, which I'm not. Neither am I a fanboy. I just wrote the article because I thought she met the GNG. If you'd like to hold yourself to 1RR, go ahead. |
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:::::Also, Dexerto just closed as Additional Considerations apply on [[WP:RS/N]], with ''rare'' use for BLPs. I think we can warrant inclusion for Dexerto when cross-referencing other RS's and primary sources. <b><span style="color:#0080FB">Invading</span><span style="color:#0668E1">Invader</span></b> ([[User:InvadingInvader|userpage]], [[User talk:InvadingInvader|talk]]) 15:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Edit requests or something similar so there are no violations of BLP. Repeated BLP violations will result in a block or ban. |
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::::::The arguments at RSN on why Dexerto shouldn't be used in a BLP mirror the ones I've given for it's use in Sommer Ray. There's no consensus to use it. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Feedback == |
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I would be very grateful for any additional advice you could give on changes you would like to see and of course, anything I can do to add extra value to Wikipedia, which is already a fantastic resource that I use on almost a daily basis. |
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Thank you so much for the feedback on my edit! For clarity, I was attempting to update the filmography and career sections. I am still learning and will make smaller edits in the meantime. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User: Abratimepoke| Abratimepoke]] ([[User talk: Abratimepoke#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ Abratimepoke|contribs]]) </small> [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Hipal&diff=prev&oldid=1179127762] |
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== Removed revision == |
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Thank you for your time, |
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In the source that I included, it said that Martha Plimpton had some Ashkenazi Jewish even if it was in small amounts. [[User:Genuinestyles|Genuinestyles]] ([[User talk:Genuinestyles|talk]]) 13:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Best Regards, |
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== Help == |
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Adrian Knight |
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[[Special:Contributions/78.144.244.127|78.144.244.127]] ([[User talk:78.144.244.127|talk]]) 00:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message, Adrian. |
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:User-based reviews are almost always inappropriate additions to Wikipedia. As you correctly identified, they are not suitable as sources within the article. Similarly, they are rarely appropriate as external links, per [[WP:ELNO]] #1, #11, and secondarily per #4, #5, #13. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 01:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello @[[User:Hipal|Hipal]]I need your help related to article for deletion [[User:Rajmama|Rajmama]] ([[User talk:Rajmama|talk]]) 09:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Outsourcing]] == |
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:Hi Rajmama. I'm very busy, and may not be able to help. Review [[WP:DELETE]], and make the best case you can by identifying the very best references. At a glance, the Xpress Times is probably the most detailed, but it looks like a publicity piece so probably will not be enough. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:25, 14 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== avelyman.com cleanup == |
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Would you object to removal of the cleanup tag from [[Outsourcing]]? (Some sections still a bit long and we've got a tag on the external links; but overall we might have reached the OK state.) [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 15:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. I appreciate all the work you've done on it. Seems like the tag still fits given the bullet lists, unformatted references, and promotional wording such as "More information on the pros of outsourcing can be found in Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat." --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 15:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:: Ouch, I removed "More information on the pros of outsourcing can be found in Thomas Friedman's ''The World is Flat.'' In particular, the section on the "5th flattener of the world" may be informative.". (It's already listed in the further reading section.) The bulleted list doesn't bother me because I wouldn't want to change them to headings. I'll have to look at it some mroe. Thank you. [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 14:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Do you know if it is possible to use AWB for this, manual cleanup for this would be... problematic? And do you know how this website got spammed so much? Thanks, [[User:Seawolf35|Seawolf35]] ([[User talk:Seawolf35|talk]]) 20:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Trying to understand == |
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:Glad someone else is interested in cleaning up the avelyman.com mess! |
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:I have never looked into how AWB works, or if other tools would be better. |
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:Regarding the external links: I've been keeping track of what I find at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#aveleyman.com_spam]]. So far it's a very small number of editors responsible for a large number of external links. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 23:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::It is a absolute mess to be sure, I don't get what the hell people think is valuable about that site. And it is established editors adding it too. Blows my mind. [[User:Seawolf35|Seawolf35]] ([[User talk:Seawolf35|talk]]) 23:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Doubtful Sources == |
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Hi. I am trying to understand the rules of this game. |
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I have created a page for a water quality network...WQIN, that is completely legit and a very useful resource for us working on water quality. |
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It has been deleted, and I think I understand why. I tried to compare it to the Slashdot article, which, on my understanding, it is the same type of resource. I can see that /. 's wording is more "encyclopedic" than what I wrote. |
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@[[User:Hipal|Hipal]]Hi, I was browsing through your doubtful sources list and it's an interesting list. I agree that many of them are doubtful and are not trustworthy when it comes to [[WP:BLP]]. Here's a few more I think you should add. |
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But I do not understand why removing the links on Water, water pollution and water quality? It is completely related and I think anybody looking for information would find that useful. By the way, WQIN is non commercial, it is not selling anything, just a virtual community of practice |
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being developed at Colorado State University, where I am a PhD student(forgot to mention that before). |
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Encyclopedia[https://www.encyclopedia.com/] Quite a few celebs have the incorrect DOB listed here. |
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Granted it is not as well known as /., but who is it? |
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Allocine[https://www.allocine.fr/] Same as above. The biggest red flag here is that it has Laverne Cox's birth year listed as 1984. When her actual birth year(1972) was revealed years ago.[https://www.allocine.fr/personne/fichepersonne_gen_cpersonne=412985.html] |
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I am really trying to understand... so please tell me what I did wrong. |
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Moviefone[https://www.moviefone.com/] Like the above two, some celebs have the wrong DOB up. What makes it even more questionable is that the actor biographies that are on there, are a near copy/paste of their biographies that are on their Wikipedia page. If not the current version, then an older version from years back. So it looks like they got their info here on Wikipedia. [[User:Kcj5062|Kcj5062]] ([[User talk:Kcj5062|talk]]) 01:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Regards, |
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:It's mostly just a list of questionable sources that I've run across on multiple occasions, before [[WP:RSP]] was created. |
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:I'm surprised encyclopedia.com isn't on RSP. It's difficult to find how to use it properly through RSN. |
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:I've run across allocine.fr. It certainly could use more discussion at RSN. |
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:Sorry I missed [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_411#Are_these_be_acceptable_sources_for_WP:DOB]]. I agree with your comparison to Rotten Tomatoes: treat them same way. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Allsides == |
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:Thanks for the message. Replying on your talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 15:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Another fake "fact checking" website, thanks for noticing the other instance. "Progressive" may potentially be right, but there likely are better sources anyway. I only discovered the "Truthout" website recently via a link from a centrist news source, so checked its WP article. When seeing "anarchist" and "far left" I have only quickly surveyed it and it was obviously false. When reading about "AllSides" however, tracing the origin and money exposes it. Thanks again, —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] – 04:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC) |
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I think I understood the reasons, although I would argue that, at least for the specific Water Quality page, the link makes sense. |
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Thank you for taking the time to explain the rules. |
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== Ad Fontes == |
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Hipal, |
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Hi Ronz... |
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My edit to [[Ad Fontes]] was based on this quote from the [https://web.archive.org/web/20201225185549/https://www.cjr.org/innovations/measure-media-bias-partisan.php| Columbia Journalism Review Article] |
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After speaking to a few people over here in Mauritius as well as a couple of Religious Bodies in regards to the Sacred Lake of Ganga Talao, It seems that the link to the website can be added. I have read the terms and conditions for External Links of Wikipedia and to be honest we do not breach any of them. |
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:''"A similar effort is “The Media Bias Chart,” or simply, “The Chart.” Created by Colorado patent attorney Vanessa Otero, the chart has gone through several methodological iterations, '''but currently is based on her evaluation''' of outlets’ stories on dimensions of veracity, fairness, and expression.''" |
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Hence my qualifier that the 2018 Columbia article is about a prior version of The Chart. |
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Is this the RS support you were looking for? [[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 20:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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The website itself is here to provide more information about the Sacred Lake, the events there, prayers etc... And you classified it as a Tourism site? huh? A bit strange for a tourist to look for prayers ? You spoke about promoting the website, huh? the aim is only to provide more information not available on the Wikipedia Article... Well we are not adding it as a source, just an External link. |
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:Let's take this to the article talk page. I'm not sure I understand. The 2018 CJR article was written about a version significantly different than what was available in 2018? --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 20:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. I tried a wording closer to the RS and showed the full quote in the edit summary. I also added a topic to the talk page in case further discussion is needed. [[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 20:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Ad Fontes Media: Use in Academic Research == |
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But my query today is that i will be really glad if you could help me to include the website in the GangaTalao Article on Wikipedia. If you could guide me through about what's wrong with it? Or if we can get an Administrator to give a feedback? |
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@[[User:Hipal|Hipal]], I was going to respond to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ad_Fontes_Media&diff=prev&oldid=1188791837 this edit] of [[Ad Fontes Media]] on the article's talk page. I wasn't quite sure, however, what you meant by <i>"examplespam, So"</i>. Could you elaborate? I want to be sure I understand and can address your concerns. [[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 14:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC) |
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With Thanks |
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:[[WP:EXAMPLEFARM]] covers it, and links to relevant policies, guidelines, essays, and templates. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::Super. Thank you. I've modified the proposed new section and put it on [[talk:Ad Fontes Media]] for further vetting. I look forward to your commments. [[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 13:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Question about Ad Fontes Media == |
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== Request toreadmit DataRush link == |
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Why is the article for Ad Fontes Media controversial? I see there has been some discussion about whether or not their rating are suitable RS for Wikipedia, but I don't quite understand why there is so much energy about the article itself. Is there something in the article's history? [[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 17:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Can you please allow the link to Pervasive DataRush to remain. While this is a proprietary technology, it is used by The University of Texas in Austin in data profiling/predictive analytics tests. Specifically, it was used in predictive analytics testing for Netflix in conjunction with UT -- it processes data at high rates to improve the data mining experience. |
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:The political issues ([[WP:CT/AP]]) with rating media, more prominent with [[All Sides]]. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks, |
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:While I appreciate the note, I'm concerned that you've taken no notice of the warnings and blocks that have occurred for editors spamming this link while having a conflict of interest. I'm going to remove all the subsequently spammed links. If you want to dispute my removal of these links, I suggest starting at [[WP:COIN]], though any other [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] method would be fine. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== You are correct == |
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I won't use unreliable sources next time. [[User:Alon Alush|Alon Alush]] ([[User talk:Alon Alush|talk]]) 18:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Questions == |
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It seems like you've stirred up a hornet's nest with your edits! |
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Hello. I had a few questions about your recent edits on the Ed Young page that I am perplexed about. |
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1. Why did you remove pieces of the bio include ‘writer, speaker, artist’? Is he not an writer/author or speaker? |
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2. Why was the New York Times Bestselling Author section of the bio removed? You claimed ‘SOAP, COI editing’ but did not attempt to find any sources for what you removed or verify the sources that were currently there, you just removed it all? Seems more detrimental to the page than verifying and editing. |
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3. Could you explain why "50 Shades of They" by Ed Young, published by Creality Publishing and available on mainstream platforms like Amazon and Barnes & Noble, was removed from the bibliography? Given its relevance to Young's work in relationship counseling and its broad distribution, shouldn't it be included in his Wikipedia bibliography? |
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4. I’m confused as to why you added back the lifestyle section but removed the part ab Ed Young denying the report. You claimed it was an ‘interview’ in your edit. There were other editors in the talk section who agreed that this source was relevant and good prior to you removing it and it helped bring neutrality to a controversial section of a BLOP. |
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I’m genuinly trying to understand and i appreciate you helping me become a better Wiki Editor. Thank you [[User:5dondons|5dondons]] ([[User talk:5dondons|talk]]) 01:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Samples == |
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:Once again, you're repeating yourself without apparent understanding of previous discussions and policies. Continue like this, and [[WP:IDHT]] might apply. |
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:You are a [[WP:SPA]] account working on an article where you're following in the footsteps of many editors with a clear [[WP:COI]]. You say you don't have a COI, but your behavior so far is indistinguishable from them. |
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:In light of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:5dondons&diff=next&oldid=1218595835] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase&diff=prev&oldid=1219067562], you need to rethink what you're actually doing here. I strongly suggest you walk back what you wrote in that second diff. |
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:The lifestyle section is back because the references are good. Removal of properly referenced content is a POV violation. We've been over this already, to the point where it looks like you're not reading what others have to say, nor understanding the relevant policies. |
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:The other questions deal with [[WP:NOT]] and [[WP:POV]] issues. I'm just doing some initial, simple cleanup of all the COI editing that has gone on. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I've removed your response as failing the instructions at the top of this page. |
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It is insane to suggest that no for-profit company can make a contribution on these legal forms. We have legal forms that a free to the public and that are used by lawyers around the country. Why on earth does someone think it is a good idea to delete these links? Wiki users come to these pages and spend over 3 minutes. It is a commerical site but there is no sales or lead pitch in the sample forms. These are sample forms for lawyers. I think maybe it would be wise if we did not become too overcome with our great power as editors. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.69.201.106|173.69.201.106]] ([[User talk:173.69.201.106|talk]]) 02:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the message. I'm assuming you haven't seen the discussions and warnings to the accounts and ip addresses that have added these links in the past. |
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:"It is insane to suggest that no for-profit company can make a contribution on these legal forms." I hope no one is making such suggestions. I certainly am not. I'll gladly help if someone else has been doing so. |
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:We're writing an encyclopedia for everyone, worldwide, not just lawyers practicing in Maryland. These links have been [[WP:SPAM|spammed]] to Wikipedia for over five years now, against the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest policies]] as well. I think it would be wise to review [[WP:NOT]], [[WP:SPAM]], and [[WP:COI]] before considering adding the links again. If you'd like to get others' opinion on the matter, [[WP:ELN]] or [[WP:COIN]] would be the good places to start. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 04:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC) |
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If you're not going to walk back your statements [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase&diff=prev&oldid=1219067562 here], please tread extremely lightly. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm not sure I understand this paragraph. What I've said is that anyone looking at this stuff would realize it is offered under the rubric of a help center for lawyers. The paragraph above about someone being targeted, attacked, called names, stalked or blocked seems so out of context. I wrote one note (now two) listed above. Is there a trial lawyer editor who can look at these things because I'm clearly not selling free information for my competitor lawyers. I'm offering meaningful samples that illustrate the point being discussed. Do a google search for any of these terms. We are on top for them because we are one of the few law firms who have put up this kind of information. I'll show anyone who wants to see the all of the data on this, including how long Wiki readers stay to review these materials. I don't think it is fair to target our education efforts because we happen to be lawyers. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.69.201.106|173.69.201.106]] ([[User talk:173.69.201.106|talk]]) 12:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Sorry you were confused by the new, unrelated discussion. |
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:"I'm offering meaningful samples that illustrate the point being discussed." In doing so, you've violated WP:COI and WP:SPAM. Those are behavioral problems that need to be addressed before this can be settled. Secondly, Wikipedia is not a [[WP:NOTHOWTO|not a how-to manual]]. Adding links to examples, especially examples aimed as an extremely small subset of Wikipedia readers, is of little value. Additionally, such external links attract more of the same. Eventually, an editor will notice the multiple links of questionable value and remove them per [[WP:EL]], [[WP:SPAM]], and [[WP:NOTLINK]], as I did when I first encountered these links. |
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:There's a simple solution to this: Contribute directly to the article rather than adding external links. You obviously have a great deal of expertise on these subjects. I'm sure you could easily provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to [[WP:V|verify]] the information in the articles, or edit the articles to correct, clarify, or expand them. |
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:As I pointed out above, [[WP:ELN]] and [[WP:COIN]] are good places to get others' opinions on this situation. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Thank you for letting me know you stand by your comments at RfPP. Given that, I suggest you find other articles to work on, avoiding [[WP:AC/CT|all areas]] where editing limits apply. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 23:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Proper venue == |
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Please stop reverting. I've responded. Until you can make far greater efforts to follow TALK and AGF, you're at very best wasting time. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 23:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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There is no proper venue. I'm a relatively new editor according to my edit history so any complaint I issue about anything will simply get me targeted, attacked, called names, stalked and blocked. So the proper venue is acting just like the editor who is behaving badly toward me. There is no proper venue for newbies on wikipedia; they're not allowed. --[[User:IP69.226.103.13|IP69.226.103.13]] ([[User talk:IP69.226.103.13|talk]]) 00:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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*And now the typical accusations of a "personal vendetta" etc have turned up. We know what they mean: "Lovely work, Hipal!" [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 03:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::Thanks for the help. I wasn't looking forward to a COIN report and the further drama that would likely result. I don't like what drama occurred, but at least it was relatively contained. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== John Mearsheimer bibliography dispute == |
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== JTAG Free software and JTAG external link www.boundary-scan.co,uk == |
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Notifying you I have requested a third opinion [[Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements|here]]. [[User:Иованъ|Ivan]] ([[User talk:Иованъ|talk]]) 01:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi Ronz |
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== Biased user == |
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JTAG Free software paragraph was deleted by you today form the JTAG entry. Indeed I thought this might be a bit borderline |
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regarding content - there is some genuine free software tool to be gained here that I figured could |
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benefit the community reading the JTAG entry - if you feel this is not the case and it contravenes |
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guidleines fair enough as I am not a very regular contributor it would be wrong of me to make a decision. |
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Ratnahastin has an anti-BJP and pro-INC bias, and engage in edit war. Their edits are a mix of content removal (sourced), POV pushing, censoring, and misrepresentation of sources. Refer the edit history and talk page of [[:Enforcement Directorate]] in early April this year, also check the edit warring in [[:Katchatheevu]] from 31 March where the user tag-teamed with Rzvas for content removal without even providing a valid explanation. The problem in those articles still prevails.--[[Special:Contributions/106.206.219.12|106.206.219.12]] ([[User talk:106.206.219.12|talk]]) 15:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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On the other hand I could use some guidance on a link to boundary-scan.co.uk, that you also deleted. |
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:Thanks for the note. |
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This has been an external link on JTAG for 10 months without any issues. It does contain I think some valuable additional information on JTAG standards not shown wiki site - can you suggest how this site can be amended so as to remain a valuable external link ? |
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:I'd rather not expand my scope of editing at this time into more [[WP:CT/IPA]] until a few more broad enforcement actions take place. Be sure to document the problems will on the appropriate article talk pages and noticeboards to help with enforcement. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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All or nearly all external links on the JTAG entry are directed to pages of commercial software vendors |
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so I guess we could delete all of these without redress, could we ? |
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== More soon == |
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Please advise |
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I know we're mid discussion but I got Covid Monday :/ [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 14:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Mapstain|Mapstain]] ([[User talk:Mapstain|talk]]) 18:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC) Mapstain |
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:Get well soon. I hope you can get access to an antiviral treatment if necessary. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the note. Yes, I also noticed that many JTAG-related articles have inappropriate external links that need to be removed. |
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::I'm ok. Just sleeping for 3 days! Thanks for your thoughts. [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 10:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Given how poorly these articles are referenced, I'd be against any external link that couldn't be used as a future reference or to find future references. I'm going to go ahead and tag the articles to attract and direct new editors to the problems. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Are we good (in your opinion) on the current version? I can live with it. [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 21:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Welcome back. I hope you've recovered. |
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::::It looks like good progress. Thank you for your help. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 22:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I had a mild case, and aside from sleeping 60 hours straight, no symptoms (thanks Advil + Tylenol!). No antiviral needed, and I'm back to my usual workload. As for the article, I think it's getting much closer to not being able to tell whether a proponent or opponent of FM wrote it, which is a good sign. This is the way of compromise. I appreciate your willingness to accept certain changes, albeit not ALL of them! :) [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 22:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Reverted contributions? == |
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Interested in specific feedback as to why the recent contributions to Diamandis were reverted – as well as preferences for making meaningful contributions to the page. [[User:Chadnjgrant|Chadnjgrant]] ([[User talk:Chadnjgrant|talk]]) 23:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Stadium-Arcadium.com is the number one news source for red hot chili peppers news updates and always provides red hot chili peppers news days, weeks, even months before the official site does. |
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:[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Peter_Diamandis&diff=prev&oldid=1235154219] {{tq|PROMO - please work in smaller edits with clear edit summaries}} |
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:I left some detailed feedback on your talk page as well. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 23:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Regarding Eric Jacobson article/talkpage message == |
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It always provides citable sources to all news articles it publishes. As an rhcp fan I consider this link to be essential to the article in view of the fact they're releasing a new album next year. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.2.213.61|92.2.213.61]] ([[User talk:92.2.213.61|talk]]) 22:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I suggest you make your case for the external link on the article talk page. You may want to also review the past discussions on the link and why it was removed in the past. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 22:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi Hipal, |
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== Allergy undoing == |
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Earlier today, you removed a section from [[Eric Jacobson]] -- to be clear, I agree with your edits and reasons. I did not write the section. However, I would like to address the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tvfunhouse&oldid=1236619243#A_lengthy_welcome talkpage message] you left for me afterwards. While I can see that this was a copy/paste "welcome" that I'm sure you've left for others (likely in many cases that warranted it), I'd frankly just like to be clear: I am familiar with the policies you've linked and have done my best to adhere to them in my edits, despite being a "new" editor. I have recently boosted articles, such as [[Dave Goelz]] and [[Bill Prady]], with copy-edits/clean-up, formatting, sources, and general expansion. I welcome you to compare their current versions and their states prior to my edits. |
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Are you sure that external link you undid at [[Allergy]] was a spam? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cikicdragan|Cikicdragan]] ([[User talk:Cikicdragan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cikicdragan|contribs]]) 12:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It was [[WP:SPAM|spammed]] by {{user|69.236.95.105}}, that much is clear. It is also likely that this is related to the spamming by {{user|69.236.96.109}} and {{user|24.6.210.27}}. |
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:Spamming aside, the link appears too far off topic for such a well-referenced article. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC) |
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I believe the message was unwarranted in this scenario. [[User:Tvfunhouse|Tvfunhouse]] ([[User talk:Tvfunhouse|talk]]) 18:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== reverting == |
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:I made a mistake, the talkpage message was right before the article edit - but I'm still assuming it was correlated, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully you'll find that my contributions align with the policies you mentioned. [[User:Tvfunhouse|Tvfunhouse]] ([[User talk:Tvfunhouse|talk]]) 18:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I do not require dispute resolution. I just require that you cease reverting or hiding my comments from talkpages. Thankyou [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 20:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::I'm glad you are familiar with the policies. |
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:Okay let us draw a line under this. Feel free to unhide all comments on the article [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] ([[User talk:Polargeo|talk]]) 20:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Therichest.com is a poor source, inappropriate for BLPs, and probably not reliable at all. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Eric_Jacobson&diff=1231770821&oldid=1231768934]. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the explanation. I hope this means that the situation has come to and end. If not, I'll notify you before taking any action to revert or hide new comments by you, unless [[WP:RPA]] applies. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Of course, this doesn't apply to my talk page. As the instructions clearly state, "I'll most likely remove any offending comments" per WP:TALK and WP:AGF. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== Thank you for the revert == |
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Thanks for reverting [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bella_Hadid&diff=prev&oldid=1239025408 this erroneous edit]. Obviously 2022 is 8 years after 2014, not two years prior to 2014.<br> My bad. [[User:The Mountain of Eden|The Mountain of Eden]] ([[User talk:The Mountain of Eden|talk]]) 04:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi Ronz |
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:Thanks for clarifying what happened. We all make mistakes. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Jeffrey Sachs == |
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Last week I asked for some guidance on referencing a valuable site with JTAG information www.boundary-scan.co.uk none yet has been forthcoming With the execption of a product flash on the home-page (which can be removed if that will help) this site is |
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non-biased and non-commercial. Today I added a reference to JTAG Flash Programming as this is not a widely understood topic |
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and is succinctly dealt with on wwww.boundary-scan.co.uk page 9 well away form the home page - yet still you chose to delete it. |
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Hello. I come to your talk page because you have [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Sachs&oldid=prev&diff=1246716169 reverted my edit] in [[Jeffrey Sachs]] arguing it is promotional. |
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At least two of the existing references at the JTAG entry have more blatant commercial links than the one I inserted so do I delete thhes in a tit-for-tat mode or do I hope that you will examine my reference in more detail and deem it acceptable data form an expert source ? |
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I consider it important for readers of Sachs' biography to know which political ideas and parties he supports. I agree nevertheless that the reference I used as source is clearly partisan (the Green Party itself) so I propose to reintroduce the text with [https://johnmenadue.com/war-parties-the-peace-candidate-and-the-us-election/ this reference], which is Sachs' piece endorsing Stein. |
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Regards |
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Looking forward to your reply [[User:Hispalois|Hispalois]] ([[User talk:Hispalois|talk]]) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi Hispalois. Thank you for starting a discussion about this. |
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:As I pointed out previously, the article needs more and better sources. You added the same link you've been adding previously to support a trivial example in the article. |
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:Briefly, it requires better sources that are clearly [[WP:IS|independent]] of the subjects for us to say it's important enough to include. See [[WP:NOTPROMO]], [[WP:POV]], [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]], and [[WP:RECENTISM]]. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 20:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:If you notice, I tagged the article further, indicating some references fail [[WP:RS]]. It's perfectly acceptable to remove references that fail WP:RS. A discussion on the article talk page is better if it's unclear. |
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::Thanks for pointing me to those policies. In BLPPRIMARY, I see that it is ok to use Sachs' own statement: "There are living persons who publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if..." (and I think my reference matches all points). The policy I do see as problematic is that my edit can be considered Recentism. To counter that, I propose expanding the sentence to all of Jeffrey Sachs's public endorsements: Bernie Sanders in 2016, Sanders again in 2020 and now Stein in 2024. What do you think? [[User:Hispalois|Hispalois]] ([[User talk:Hispalois|talk]]) 17:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Also, since this has been going on for a while, you might want to consider another [[WP:DR|dispute resolution method]]. [[WP:THIRD]] could be used in this case and is by far the fastest way to get another viewpoint. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I disagree. By including it without an independent source, we are promoting Sach's political viewpoints and his support of Stein. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 19:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You are correct @[[User:Hispalois|Hispalois]], it is acceptable, though many BLP patrollers prefer to interpret the last sentence of [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] as meaning you can only use it if you cannot find a detail in independent sources, and only if it is essential to the biography. You don't need to worry as much about that for normal biographies, but this one is more politicised. If you are unsure if an article is politically relevant in the present, look for clues like, in this case, "He has been criticized ..." in the lead or the presence of a multi-subsection "Critical reception" section. |
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:::So it is safer to cite this: <nowiki><ref>{{cite news |date=2024-04-29 |first=Richard |last=Winger |author-link=Richard Winger |title=Jeffrey Sachs Endorses Jill Stein |url=https://ballot-access.org/2024/04/29/jeffrey-sachs-endorses-jill-stein |newspaper=Ballot Access News}}</ref></nowiki> instead. The more relevant policy is actually [[WP:BLPSELFPUB]], where so long as the article is not {{tq|based primarily on such sources}}, it merely has to fulfill the following criteria: (1) {{tq|it is not unduly self-serving}}; (2) {{tq|it does not involve claims about third parties}}; (3) {{tq|it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject}}; (4) {{tq|there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity}}. I have swapped sources and moved the statement to "Personal life". [[User:Иованъ|Ivan]] ([[User talk:Иованъ|talk]]) 13:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks! [[User:Hispalois|Hispalois]] ([[User talk:Hispalois|talk]]) 21:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::(Ivan, your commenting here is probably a bad idea, especially so soon after your being blocked.) --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I disagree with Ivan's solution. The ballot-access.org ref demonstrates no weight or encyclopedic value. It's not even an article, rather just a mention that Sachs made an endorsement. It doesn't even rise to the level of warmed over press release, which would also not be enough. If ballot-access.org doesn't give it more coverage, we certainly shouldn't. |
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:::::My rule of thumb is to look for content in the references that demonstrates historical importance of the event/topic/etc for the subject of the article where it could be included. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Please explain why you undid my edits to Jeffrey Sachs' bio. == |
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* My two cents, as someone who's spent some time whacking that page into sanity (yes it still needs work): I never really liked that boundary-scan.co.uk stuff either. In fact I thought I'd deleted the link myself; I know I at least thought about it when cleaning up the links. The quality of that info is kind of borderline, and it's promotional though not purely commercial. On the flip side, it's hard to find well structured JTAG info on the web, so that's surely why at least once I left it in. [[Special:Contributions/69.226.238.251|69.226.238.251]] ([[User talk:69.226.238.251|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Could you please explain why, on Sept 4, you removed my edits on Jeffrey Sachs' bio page. I included links to and a few quotations from articles that Sachs wrote about the war in Ukraine. I figured that the section on the war in Ukraine should, at least, explain Sachs' views! |
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== Amazing == |
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Thank you, Don [[User:ThinkerFeeler|ThinkerFeeler]] ([[User talk:ThinkerFeeler|talk]]) 17:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi, I have that list on my watch page and saw the postings that you and SA did with the behavior of the other editors. You would think at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts wiki alert civility policies would be followed]. I am still amazed at how editors feel it's ok to behave like this. If you haven't read the latest, take a peek. I was going to make a comment but I was afraid I wouldn't remain civil after reading some of the comments that call SA a troll so I cancelled my post. I hope you are well. --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 20:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:My apologies for not responding to your comment on the aritcle talk page. Doing so now. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 01:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, sad. I've barely noticed SA since his last block. He seems to be doing much better at handling himself when baited and attacked. |
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:I don't expect much from WQA. Wikipedia does little to enforce civility, and editors know it. Still, the outright refusal to be civil in WQA should attract a bit of attention. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== Joey Skaggs Advert Code == |
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::Sorry for what I brought to your talk page by posting this here. Is there something I might be able to do to calm things down? I am seeing the responses from [[User:Polargeo|Polargeo]] as frustration. I just noticed that s/he has templated you with what looked like a vanadalism notice. Maybe I can show him the [[WP:Don't template the regulars|don't template the regulars]] if s/he isn't aware of this? I didn't notice if the editor was aware of this since templating editors that are established editors usually don't respond well. Anyways, if I can help let me know. I feel partially responsible for what has been happening here on your talk page. I know this is/was being discussed at the talk page, the wiki alert board, the bio board. Is there other places this is being discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 11:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the offer. You're not to blame. I'd already reverted multiple inappropriate comments by him in [[User_talk:Ronz#reverting]]. |
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:::S/he appears to be another of the unfortunate editors that rarely sees how most of Wikipedia works, because s/he only works on contentious topics. We both know what it's like working on such topics - endless disputes with tendentious and disruptive advocates. That's the norm for such articles, so editors who work solely on such articles don't know any better. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Can you explain what areas need work, revisions, removal, and so on that cause this issue? Or alternatively change these elements to aid in correcting the page. I have reviewed and edited it multiple times but am struggling to find the specifics that have not been pointed out for correction or clarification. Thank you for your help! [[User:Mr-asthmatic|Mr-asthmatic]] ([[User talk:Mr-asthmatic|talk]]) 01:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Deleted links == |
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:Hi Mr-asthmatic. Thanks for starting a discussion about this. |
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:I've not looked closely at all the references, but my impression at this time is that a total rewrite might be necessary. |
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:I suggest you follow the recommendations I already made on your talk page. |
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:If you insist on continuing to work on the article, I'd start by removing all the self-published sources and associated content. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Promo? == |
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Hi. Just wondering why you think I'm spamming. I posted a couple of links to companies that provide digital cinema package encoding because there were none on the page. There are lots of links to other companies on there. Why are only the ones I post spam? I think it's relevant, interesting and useful information because so few companies offer DCP services. I even posted a name of the company under "list of digital cinema companies" and it was removed again. It is a digital cinema company so I don't see what the issue is. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Margolisd|Margolisd]] ([[User talk:Margolisd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Margolisd|contribs]]) 00:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the response. It was getting to the point where I was going to suggest your account be blocked for a short period of time. |
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:I think it's spamming because of the concerns raised on your talk page, your continuing to add the same link multiple times after the concerns were raised, and because you've made no other contributions to Wikipedia other than to add these links and start an article that was speedily deleted. Further, the article was about the company you've spammed the most<s>, plus all the links you've added are to companies that are related</s>. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 01:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
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I am intrigued by the instant removal of study buddhism on Berzin's article - it basically removes any sense of what he has been doing in the last ten years or more is gone - do you ever consider re-writes? [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 01:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I apologise. I'm new to Wikipedia. It took me a while to even realise I was getting any messages. I added links to a company called ExpressDCP and another called DCPFoundry. They are not related to each other in any way whatsoever. The UK is actually quite a big place. Also, there are 14 companies listed as Digital Cinema Companies. So I could see no harm in adding two more. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Margolisd|Margolisd]] ([[User talk:Margolisd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Margolisd|contribs]]) 02:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I'm rather baffled by your comment given your editing history. It's a BLP article, BLP content, sourced to a self-published reference. The solution is to either find a BLP-quality source that's independent of the subjects, or leave it out. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I was concerned that you weren't aware of the messages as well. Thanks for clarifying that, as well as your apology. |
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:: In turn I find many editors are ready to tag/remove, but never actually edit or improve articles. Fair enough, keep up the good work. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 02:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I apologize for my comment that all the companies are related. Only ExpressDCP and Two Roads Productions are related as far as I can tell. |
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:::: my apologies then, I understand your BLP policy issue re self referencing without RS <small> I even remember when the BLP issue almost took WP down </small> , and have no problem with that. As to the rest, ... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 02:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Talkback == |
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:::::Thank you for the apology. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 20:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Need your help == |
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{{talkback|Aditya|ts=16:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)}} |
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[[User talk:Aditya|<font color="#FF3030"><b>Astronominov</b></font>]] 16:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Please visit "Cradles of civilization" article and settle the "Indus/India" dispute [[User:Qaiser-i-Mashriq|Qaiser-i-Mashriq]] ([[User talk:Qaiser-i-Mashriq|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Filipino cuisine == |
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:Hi Qaiser-i-Mashriq. I see that Hypnôs has already provided you with good advice on your talk page. I've left you some general information to supplement it. |
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:Unfortunately, I don't see myself having the time to assist with the article directly. The topic is under special editing restrictions ([[WP:CT/IPA]]). Please take care with how you continue. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== AP Political Bias == |
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Hello Ronz, I'd like to get your views on the article and reliable sources for it. Could you please put them on the talk page? Thanks. [[User:Lambanog|Lambanog]] ([[User talk:Lambanog|talk]]) 17:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Not a problem. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi, how are you? |
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== ... disregard of the documentary evidence content of Hulda Clark's death certificate. == |
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I see that you undid my addition to the AP News article that AP News has a slight left of center bias. I read what you wrote as to why you removed my edit, but I did not understand it. Would you be able to explain further what was wrong about my edit? [[User:PotatoKugel|PotatoKugel]] ([[User talk:PotatoKugel|talk]]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi Ronz, could do with some support upon the disregard of the documentary evidence content of Hulda Clark's death certificate. Warm thanks; [[User:WATerian|WATerian]] ([[User talk:WATerian|talk]]) 19:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for notifying me. I'll respond in the talk page discussion. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 21:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== 1RR == |
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== EL Deletions for "Angel investor" == |
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Hey you violated 1RR [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bisan_Owda&diff=prev&oldid=1250814669 here]. [[User:IOHANNVSVERVS|IOHANNVSVERVS]] ([[User talk:IOHANNVSVERVS|talk]]) 17:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Ronz, thanks for your good work in fighting link-spam. However, the ELs that you (or your bot) deleted from the article [[Angel investor]] are all legitimate links of long standing that have been exhaustively discussed and approved by the article's regular editors over the years (as you'll see on the article's [[Talk:Angel investor|Talk]] page). This article, precisely because of its subject matter, is particularly susceptible to external link spam for commercial purposes. However, rest assured that the three or four regular editors monitor it VERY closely and immediately revert spam link inclusions (as you can clearly see from the article's History.) |
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:And you violated the sanctions that apply to the article. |
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:I've subsequently modified the content. What do you suggest? Revert to the previous version and make a proposal? I'll do that. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Dan Abrams Page == |
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The remaining links (the ones you removed wholesale) are ones that the editors have determined are appropriate for this article according to [[WP:EL]]. They include the two non-profit institutions that study and report on the field (ACEF and CVR), the national non-profit associations that monitor the field in their respective regions or countries (EBAN, ACA, NACO, et al). and the one official platform for the industry that serves up live statistics on the subject (Angelsoft). In the future, please propose any wholesale edits like this on the article's Talk page for discussion, prior to changing the article, thanks! [[User:Yorker|Yorker]] ([[User talk:Yorker|talk]]) 05:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. I'm glad that you're keeping the spam down. I disagree and will discuss on the article talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi Hipal, |
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== JTAG article ... "citations", "references", etc == |
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I hope this email finds you well. We noticed you flagged Dan Abrams' page for reading like an advertisement. I work with Dan, and we've been trying to improve the accuracy of the page; currently, the impression is that Dan is first and foremost a TV person when he is first and foremost a media company owner. We're happy to get rid of anything that might be promotional while still being able to update the content to reflect Dan's work. Do you have any suggestions for what we can do to make this happen? We'd love to be in touch with you so that we can make sure that we make changes that work in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. Thank you! |
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So I thought I'd check up on the JTAG page and suddenly I see ugly banners on the top of the page saying more citations and better references are needed. I'm trying to make sense of this. When I look at that page and think about how to improve it, those issues aren't particularly on the radar. (I think: clearer presentation on various topics, more info here, too bad all the design-for-test stuff in WP is such a mess, should I add a detailed example of for example JTAG debug on ARM, and so on.) |
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Best, |
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For citations ... ''which specific things'' need citations? It's not helpful to make such blanket criticisms. Many details are in the IEEE spec, which are cited in the first sentence. And there are references to the higher level things built on top of those. Are there specific statements you'd like to see citations for? If not, I'd be inclined to just remove the "need citations" banner. Are you just asking for a light dusting of citations to make it all better, or are there something closer to objective criteria we could use to know when that goal has been met? The banner gives no help. |
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Zoe [[User:2020AM2009|2020AM2009]] ([[User talk:2020AM2009|talk]]) 16:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi Zoe. Thank you for reaching out to me concerning {{la|Dan Abrams}} |
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:Briefly: |
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:You should take time to properly disclose your conflict of interest. Instructions are on [[User_talk:2020AM2009]]. |
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:You should be making [[WP:ER|edit requests]] on the article talk page rather than directly editing the article per [[WP:COI]]. |
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:Wikipedia articles should be written from a historical perspective (see [[WP:RECENTISM]]). It may be very difficult for you to find that perspective given your relationship with Abrams. |
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:Generally, articles should be written from references that provide broad context for the subject matter. The Abrams article appears to have been written from press releases and similarly promotional sources that have little context beyond whatever is being announced. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Ethnicity == |
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Same thing with "need references". Although there, I've got to point out that WP has, in effect, a bias against certain classes of technological topic. One way this shows up with JTAG is that essentially all interesting documents are primary sources (from JTAG vendors of one kind or another, thus foolishly deemed "not reliable"), and there aren't many viable secondary sources because the stuff is too darn technical for anything except almost content-free trade press notices ... except stuff from participants, thus classed as primary. Even the Universities go to primary sources instead of writing citable surveys. And it's still too new for there to be good tertiary sources; encyclopaedic content isn't there, outside of WP where it's still "in beta" (as it were). All of which means that I'm unfortunately used to seeing the best, and most authoritative, references in technical areas be treated like dirt by WPedians because they're not secondary sources. Sigh. If only it were Manga; then there'd be no problem getting acceptable secondary sources. |
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Hi Hipal. Just to let you know, many sources cite Carson Wentz as German from Russia. Horvat is about the most Croatian Name you can have. Scherzer seems pretty obviously German. I don’t like all these ethnicity rollbacks. Stating someone’s ethnicity is important [[User:Servite et contribuere|Servite et contribuere]] ([[User talk:Servite et contribuere|talk]]) 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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There are documents about using JTAG, like the TI "Testability Primer" referenced (as an external link), which I count as good references. But they don't necessarily relate to specific topics in the article. And like too many of the good technical refs, they focus on boundary scan applications ... instead of the day-in, day-out use of JTAG in systems development, outside of the manufacturing production test line. |
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:Thanks for following up with me. Especially with living persons, high-quality references are required. We should not be editing articles based upon guesses or assumptions. Sanctions apply to these articles, so we need to be cautious. I hope you understand. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 02:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::It’s not a guess. It is a fact. These rules are ridiculous. I personally believe players that do not state an ethnicity should be banned for life TBH [[User:Servite et contribuere|Servite et contribuere]] ([[User talk:Servite et contribuere|talk]]) 03:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::Also, Bo Horvat is an obvious one [[User:Servite et contribuere|Servite et contribuere]] ([[User talk:Servite et contribuere|talk]]) 03:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::If you find the rules to be ridiculous, then you should rethink why you're here. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 17:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Should also let you know that I am autistic, so I sometimes find these things a bid hard [[User:Servite et contribuere|Servite et contribuere]] ([[User talk:Servite et contribuere|talk]]) 03:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::You may want to look over [[Wikipedia:Questions]] to familiarize yourself with some of the venues available to ask questions and get help. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 16:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. Yes, it's difficult to write Wikipedia articles on such topics. If proper references are being removed, make a case on the talk page, and take it to [[WP:RSN]] if necessary. |
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:WP:V states, "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed." The "needs references" notice is my alternative to [[WP:STUB|stubbing]] the article by removing most of the unsourced material. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::You still haven't provided the guidance necessary to make your feedback concrete/useful and actionable. I don't see quotations; so that clause doesn't apply. And you haven't provided specifics about "challenged" (by challenging) or "likely to be challenged", which means all you're doing is waving a flag ... not constructive, when all a subject expert has to go on is guesswork. Ditto threatening to stub "the unsourced material" ... ''exactly what material are you saying is unsourced??'' Somewhere between all and none of it? Your non-feedback is impossible to use. And that article is far from being a "stub", so that strategy would not demonstrate good faith. Maybe you should actually bring a few specific issues up on the article's Talk page instead? |
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::It looks to me like you did the right thing in removing those boundary-scan.uk refs and then just got fed up with needing to repeat that, so then you unjustifiably slammed the whole article. If that's not really what happened, please provide enough concrete details that someone could address your feedback (and know when it's done). There are enough real issues where that article needs improvment; playing "fetch me a rock", by trying to guess what you want, is not a constructive game to start playing. |
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:::Hello, Ronz and the IP. I happened to see this discussion, and I notice that [http://tiexpressdsp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IEEE_1149.7 this URL at Texas Instruments] is a page that has links to a number of trade-press articles. I personally think it would be of interest to know about well-known chips that have used JTAG, such as (apparently) the 80486. For a widely-used product, you would think that its usage of JTAG would be recorded in the trade press, so you would not have to rely entirely on company documents. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 02:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Good point. Thanks! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Hey Ed ... who do you think added that link to the JTAG page in the first place?!? The point is more about the ''upcoming'' extension than about generic JTAG. I'll add another reference to that; it's relevant to the new ARM11 example I finally got around to adding. (Ability to switch TAPs in and out of scan chains, to support debugging of low power system states.) |
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== Science of identity formation == |
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:::: And did you look at the "Widespread Uses" section? I quote: ARM processors (the most popular 32-bit processors in the world, way more so than Intel's since they're used in for example cell phones and modems), FPGAs, higher capability 8 and 16 bit microcontrollers. So I'm confused what you might be suggesting. It's pointless to try listing things in more detail than that ... that list already covers most of the market in embedded processors (which, even more so than just the ARM part, is way larger than the x86-compatible market). |
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It's being repeatedly vandalised since Tulsi's nomination and it's controversial practices removed falsely in the name of NPOV. Please do something. [[Special:Contributions/2409:40E1:30C4:5D3E:AB02:B801:576F:3947|2409:40E1:30C4:5D3E:AB02:B801:576F:3947]] ([[User talk:2409:40E1:30C4:5D3E:AB02:B801:576F:3947|talk]]) 08:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Said differently: well known to who?? It *already* gives that information! I reworded things to hit less-knowledgeable readers over the head with what they just read. Even trade press doesn't cover that level of obviousness, any more than they point out that a new chip uses (gasp!!) ''transistors''. |
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:Thanks for contacting me about this. Yes, we should expect attempts at whitewashing the article. Best to identify the problems with the references, on the article talk page. I'm trying to keep an eye on the article. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Thanking note == |
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::::I've seen no useful feedback from Ronz, so I removed those two ugly banners. (But I did add refs to the IEEE docs, and in that new example.) If you have anything concrete, please put the feedback into the article's Talk page where it belongs, or an explicit "this specific thing needs a cite" in the article text. |
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I thank you that you removed false claims on the article [[Rajiv Dixit]] and wrote what is write, rather than the ideological form. |
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:::: -- [[Special:Contributions/69.226.238.251|69.226.238.251]] ([[User talk:69.226.238.251|talk]]) 23:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC) |
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'''Ved Sharma'''{{space}} [[User:Kharavela Deva|Kharavela Deva]] ([[User talk:Kharavela Deva|talk]]) 06:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== spam help @ texas ratios == |
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:It was the direct outcome of the article talk page discussions, noticeboard discussions, and the recent RfC. --[[User:Hipal|Hipal]] ([[User talk:Hipal#top|talk]]) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I was wondering if you can help here? I have referenced your name in the talk. {{tb|Talk:Texas ratio|Spam links|ts=[[User:B.S. Lawrence|B.S. Lawrence]] 25 Nov 2009}} |
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:Thanks for letting me know. Responded on talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== Why nuscho.com link should be included == |
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Wikipedia article due to the amount of detail. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:IronMan2009|IronMan2009]] ([[User talk:IronMan2009|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IronMan2009|contribs]]) 21:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the note. There's a discussion at [[Talk:Texas ratio]]. [[WP:ELN]] is a good place to get others' perspective on the situation. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC) |
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==Information extraction== |
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I am sorry, but where did you see the inappropriate external link? The link was neither an advertisement, nor a personal web page. It was a link to an open source project hosted at sourceforge, that is widely used in information extraction tasks Please do not remove my links. Thank you <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:George1975|George1975]] ([[User talk:George1975|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/George1975|contribs]]) 23:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:There's a discussion on the article talk page. If you want others' perspectives, try [[WP:ELN]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== About the Khloe Kardashian article == |
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It's not defamation to point out hypocrisy. And I DID use sources. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Diddlyman2004|Diddlyman2004]] ([[User talk:Diddlyman2004|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Diddlyman2004|contribs]]) 18:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the message. If you missed it when you were previously warned, per [[WP:BLP]] "Wikipedia articles can affect real people's lives. This gives us an ethical and legal responsibility. Biographical material must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality and avoiding original research." |
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:I don't think the source you used would ever be considered a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for use anywhere on Wikipedia. Given the BLP problems with material from that source, I think it should be [[WP:BLACKLIST|blacklisted]] --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Can you explain your editing? == |
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Take the time to read the material. You have removed links to this site[http://www.internationalmeditationcentre.org], but you have not removed links to this site [http://www.dhamma.org/] from the following wiki pages: [[Ba_Khin]], [[Theravada]] etc. Can you explain this? Both sites are of the same type so, as it stands, your edits seem very biased. [[User:Mysticeditor|Mysticeditor]] ([[User talk:Mysticeditor|talk]]) 21:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:I usually clean up after only one spammer at a time. |
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:I'm in the process of cleaning up the others. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Judge Maria Lopez article == |
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Lopez WAS controversial for her role in a well-known Massachusetts case where she gave probation to a child molestor. Calling a judge controversial for what many perceive is a bad decision is NOT defamatory. I'm starting to wonder whether the editor threatening to block me has a pro-PETA or pro-criminal bias. Same thing happened with the article about NCCU when I added information on well-known liar Crystal Mangum. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Diddlyman2004|Diddlyman2004]] ([[User talk:Diddlyman2004|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Diddlyman2004|contribs]]) 20:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The information was removed per [[WP:BLP]], as indicated on your talk page. Without being properly sourced, such statements should be removed immediatedly. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Talkback == |
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{{talkback|Aditya|ts=06:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)}} |
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[[User talk:Aditya|<font color="#FF3030"><b>Aditya Ex Machina</b></font>]] 06:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
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{{Talkback|Talk:General_Architecture_for_Text_Engineering|Notable?}} [[User:Valyt|Valyt]] ([[User talk:Valyt|talk]]) 13:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Gamemaniac == |
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I removed the CSD G11 tag from [[Gamemaniac]] that you placed as it is not written in a matter that relates blatant advertising such as "Buy software XXX now!!!" It does inadvertently states importance by stating that it offers "the latest..." so I could not qualify it as A7 either. I placed a PROD on the article and notified the articles creator. Unless notability can be established per [[Wikipedia:Notability (web)#Criteria]] it will most likely be deleted. Any questions or concerns feel free to ping me. Kindly [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 03:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Not a problem. Thanks! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== General Architecture for Text Engineering == |
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[[User:Ggorrell|Ggorrell]] ([[User talk:Ggorrell|talk]]) 12:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC): Been working on "wikification", i.e. making all the external links into references, including more links to other wikipedia articles. Take a look and see what you think? |
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:Good work! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 15:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Sandra Lee == |
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I appreciate that you may find my contributions controversial, but that does not make them nonfactual. There were three sources cited, including the Food TV website. That is more than sufficient for a one paragraph addition. |
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Fact: Critics have noted her love of alcohol (see Referenced site) |
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Fact: Lee spends a significant portion of her show discussing, making, and consuming cocktails (see show) |
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Fact: Lee has prepared "Driver friendly" cocktails with liquor in them (See reference) |
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Fact: Lee has prepared cocktails on a public beach (See reference) |
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Fact: One of her critics has created a drinking game to honor her love of alcohol. |
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Stating and referencing verifiable facts is not libelous. If there is a specific statement you;d like me to edit or reference, please be more specific. However, I don't appreciate you simply deleting my edits because you disagree with the people I'm citing. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PVS3|PVS3]] ([[User talk:PVS3|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PVS3|contribs]]) 16:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:None of the sources meet [[WP:BLP]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
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Nonsense. Other parts of the page already referenced FoodTV.com, so your claim that "None" of the sources met the standard is either false or selectively enforced. However, when I went to reinsert my factual statements onto her page, I noticed they had gone under "Personal Life" and not "Critical Reaction" - I was attempting to describe a noteworthy portion of the critical reaction to her show, and meant for the addition to be in that section. I have edited my comments to include more references, and placed it in the appropriate section. So to reiterate: I was stating facts and providing references, end of story. I didn't say "Sandra Lee is a boozehound" I said: "Critics have pointed out that she drinks a lot, and always works liquor into her show" [[User:PVS3|PVS3]] ([[User talk:PVS3|talk]]) 17:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:BLP violations are very serious. So serious that edits that remove BLP problems are exempt from [[WP:3RR]]. You'll be blocked if you continue this way. I suggest reading [[WP:BLP]] carefully, then if you still feel the material is appropriate, take the dispute to [[WP:BLPN]] for review by other editors. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] nomination of [[Chicken riggies]] == |
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[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|left|48px|]]An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion process|deletion]]. The nominated article is [[Chicken riggies]]. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also [[Wikipedia:Notability]] and "[[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]"). |
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Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chicken riggies]]. Please be sure to [[WP:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). |
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You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the [[WP:AfD|articles for deletion]] template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. |
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'''Please note:''' This is an automatic notification by a [[WP:BOT|bot]]. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --[[User:Erwin85Bot|Erwin85Bot]] ([[User talk:Erwin85Bot|talk]]) 01:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== The health benefits of walnuts == |
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Thank you for removing a bunch of gratuitous bolding and for taging the new section in the article on the genus ''[[Juglans]]''. I have moved the section to the article on ''[[Juglans regia]]'', because the food "walnut" of commerce is nearly always the Persian walnut (especially in Europe). I also moved your comment on the "Talk" page to the ''Juglans regia'' "Talk" page. |
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I am not sure what to do about such sections. They appear to me to be nothing more than free industry advertising masquerading as encyclopedic information derived from peer-reviewed scientific research, but I hate to get a reputation for wholesale deletion of referenced content. I would be interested in any suggestions. [[User:Jay L09|Jay L09]] ([[User talk:Jay L09|talk]]) 18:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! I don't have a problem with deleting information sourced only by cherry-picked studies. If there's no review article as well, then it probably doesn't belong. See [[WP:MEDRS]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== What gives with Tom Bergeron's page?? == |
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Hey. Why did you take down my edit to Tom Bergeron's page. Did you see the source?? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Steviedias69!|Steviedias69!]] ([[User talk:Steviedias69!|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steviedias69!|contribs]]) 19:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Happy holidays! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::Appears logical to me...and well sourced...I don't know why you would have removed it. Happy holidays Ronz. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 20:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== ... disregard of the documentary evidence content of Hulda Clark's death certificate. == |
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Hi Ronz, could do with some support upon the disregard of the documentary evidence content of Hulda Clark's death certificate. Warm thanks; [[User:WATerian|WATerian]] ([[User talk:WATerian|talk]]) 19:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi Ronz, could do with some further support upon the published disregard of the documentary evidence content of Hulda Clark's death certificate. Your previous assistance led to some progress. Please also explain how to ensure that the references cited in the discussion section can be maintained to help evidence counterargument regarding untrue publication. Warm thanks; [[User:WATerian|WATerian]] ([[User talk:WATerian|talk]]) 11:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the note. Yes, I noticed the back-and-forth. Best just to discuss the concerns on the article talk page to avoid any further escalation of the situation. I'll join in. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Speedy deletion declined: [[:National Youth Rights Day]] == |
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| decline = Hello Ronz{{#ifeq: no |yes|, and thanks for patrolling new pages!|.}} I am just letting you know that I {{#ifeq: yes |yes|declined|contested}} the speedy deletion of [[:National Youth Rights Day]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Not unambiguously promotional.''' {{#ifeq: no |yes|You may wish to review the [[WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] before tagging further pages.|}} Thank you. |
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| convert = Hello Ronz{{#ifeq: no |yes|, and thanks for patrolling new pages!|.}} I am just letting you know that I have converted the [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion]] tag that you placed on [[:National Youth Rights Day]] to a [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion]] tag{{#ifeq: no|yes|. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. You may wish to review the [[WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] before tagging further pages.|, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question.}} Thank you. |
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| change = Hello Ronz{{#ifeq: no |yes|, and thanks for patrolling new pages!|.}} I am just letting you know that I deleted [[:National Youth Rights Day]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided{{#ifeq: no|yes|. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the [[WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] before tagging further pages.|, which doesn't fit the page in question.}} Thank you. |
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}} [[User:Ged UK|<font color="green">Ged</font>]][[User talk:Ged UK|<font color="orange">'''''UK'''''</font> ]] 20:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC) |
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==BMC Software== |
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Thanks. I have read the CoI article and understand the need to attribute articles to independent resources. I will do so as I update. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dtish|Dtish]] ([[User talk:Dtish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dtish|contribs]]) 16:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Beer in Mexico == |
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Hi.. you tagged [[Beer in Mexico]] with unreliable sources but I dont see which sources are problematic on the talk page. Can you make a note of which you find questionable? Thanks. [[User:Thelmadatter|Thelmadatter]] ([[User talk:Thelmadatter|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the reminder. I've been meaning to get back to that article. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your concern about beer articles .... Instead of writing the same thing in two places, please check my response on the talk page of Beer in Mexico. I understand your intentions are good. Mine are too.[[User:Thelmadatter|Thelmadatter]] ([[User talk:Thelmadatter|talk]]) 16:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC) |
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==Wikilinking, overlinking, and utility== |
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Hi Ronz. Seasons' greetings! [[WP:LINKING]] voices a guideline about excessive Wikilinks.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LINKING#What_generally_should_not_be_linked] As a webmaster for large knowledgebases, I gravitate toward more pragmatic concerns.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piano_non_troppo#Where_wikilinking_becomes_ineffective] Which is to say that in this edit[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rachael_Ray&curid=667016&diff=334846244&oldid=334834853], the links aren't according to MOS, but maybe more to the point, wouldn't be used. Regards, [[User:Piano non troppo|Piano non troppo]] ([[User talk:Piano non troppo|talk]]) 05:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the info. That's what I get for simply copying what I found in similar articles. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Don;t worry == |
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What I've added is 98% quotes. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Torckey|Torckey]] ([[User talk:Torckey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Torckey|contribs]]) 20:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Doesn't matter. Read [[WP:BLP]]. Discuss what you'd like to add on the article talk page. If you continue editing as you have, you'll likely be blocked. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Badagnani == |
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If someone asks you to stop posting to their talk page, I suggest you do it. Failing to do so is disruptive, not to mention extremely discourteous. Discourteousness never improves the encyclopedia, and we will take steps to prevent it. You know I'm not friend of Badagnani; I think he should be banned permanently. Until that happens, cut it out, please. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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: It's not their talk page. It's Wikipedia's talk page for discussions to and about an editor. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 03:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::I know whose it is. I'm telling you that, when someone asks you to stop, continuing to post is obnoxious. Don't do it. Be courteous and respectful instead of obnoxious, ''all the time''. Being obnoxious is disruptive, and you ''will'' be blocked for it. I won't push the button, either. Do you understand? -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::If you want to talk ''about'' Badagnani. Start a new RFC. I will endorse it. Stop posting to his talk page when he's asked you to stop, or else you're the one in the hot seat. Get it? -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::You're assuming bad faith, while at the same time ignoring his. Ironic that. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 03:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I'm not at all assuming anything about your faith, and I want him banned forever. You're doing something that is unlikely to lead to positive results. There is no excuse for that. I want Badagnani gone, but do it right; do it smart. Don't screw it up. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I've never claimed anything about your faith, and I fully assume that you are contributing in perfectly good faith, and with poor judgment in this case. I will defend your good faith if anyone attacks it; just let me know. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::"continuing to post is obnoxious" I disagree. The statement assumes bad faith on my part. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 03:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::No. I don't think you mean to be obnoxious. I think you're acting in misguided good faith. Why would you be intentionally obnoxious? That would make no sense; you're not stupid. You're just not thinking very well about what outcomes are likely to follow from your actions. If you think about it more carefully, your perfect faith will lead you to different actions. Post the RFC and let me endorse it, for example. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::If I thought you were being ''intentionally'' obnoxious, I wouldn't bother talking to you. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I've been through this before. I disagree with this civility-above-all-else attitude. You think it's obnoxious. I don't because the page does not belong to him. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 03:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Fuck civility. I don't believe in civility above all else for one second. I believe in ''effective'' above all else. Are you being effective? Do your posts change his behavior for the better? Are they likely to? How. Be realistic. If you convince me, I'll join you, because as I said, I think he should get the hell out. You're not helping achieve that, and you might be fucking it up. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Good point. I'm unaware of any policy or guidelines on effectiveness. Seems that any would conflict with [[WP:BATTLE]], "Wikipedia is a volunteer community, and does not require its users to give any more time and effort than they wish. Focus on improving the encyclopedia itself, rather than demanding more from other users." --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 03:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I'm not talking about policies or guidelines at all; those are stupid. I'm talking about what makes things better, and what doesn't. Do things that make things better, and don't do things that don't make things better. Why would you take any other approach? What's good about doing stuff that has no positive effect? -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::The question is, how do we fix the Badagnani problem. You wanna fight with me, or you wanna talk about that? -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 03:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::"those are stupid" I disagree. They're a necessity, partially because of the problems that WP:BATTLE addresses. This is not a battleground. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 04:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::My fix is to clean up after him, support other editors who have problems with him, and continue to communicate with him. I try not to change my behavior just because of empty complaints by Badagnani. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 04:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::Do you seriously believe that there is a realistic chance that your "trying to communicate with him" is going to work? This is a completely ingenuous question, and I'm interested in your answer. Maybe you know something I don't know. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 04:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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If there's a solution other than an indef block, we've got to communicate with him. It's a sign of respect, and the basis of any resolution. |
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I've seen a bit of progress with him. Look how many comments of mine he's left on his talk page. It's not much, but it's an improvement. |
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I've looked at his last big ANI, and linked it in the current one. There's a lengthy discussion on his objections to editors commenting on his talk page. After reading that, I find this discussion even more ironic, though I like the recent comments about civility and communication. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 04:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I'm glad you posted that link. As for civility and communication, sometimes it seems that I don't get through to some people until I yell a little. It means I failed to do it right. I always think it's a shame, and wish I were better at avoiding it. I believe everything I say about civility, but I'm not always the best at taking my own advice. I'm human, and sometimes my passions win. Perhaps that's understandable. <p> Your optimism is admirable, although I continue to question your judgment in this particular case. I don't think that posts that he keeps removing are what help. I may be wrong. I just don't see how doing something that you ''know'' pushes a button is supposed to make someone more likely to listen to you. When I said "obnoxious" above, I meant obnoxious to Badagnani, and therefore likely to be rejected out of hand by him. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer on that point. <p> Eventually, we're in agreement regarding Badagnani. If he starts communicating with others in a productive way, it would be great to have him on board. Otherwise, he'll have to go. The first option is preferred, but the second may be necessary. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]]<sup>([[User talk:GTBacchus|talk]])</sup> 04:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::"I don't think that posts that he keeps removing are what help" I agree. I certainly could take more care in what I post to his talk page after he removes one of mine. Certainly no need to mention his removing comments more than once. |
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::I think it's pragmatism more than optimism. |
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::Thanks for the discussion. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 05:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Just popping by == |
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Hi Ronz, I have you on my watchlist which of course you are aware of. I enjoyed the way the two of you talked out your discussion above. I've been involved in some heated discussions lately where it's like hair pulling time because it feels like the more I type the less someone is listening. So to see the two of you state what you feel about a heated situation amicably like you two just did was impressive to me. |
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I really just want to wish you a belated Happy and Healthy New Year (though I guess belated is not exactly correct since the year is only on it's 5th day. :)) I haven't crossed paths with you for quite sometime now. I hope we do someday soon. It's always been a pleasure to work with you. Again, happy, healthy New Year, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 13:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks and thanks. Happy New Year to you as well! I'm surprised it went so well. I need to drop you an email. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 15:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I would love to hear from you. Send me an update about how you are doing. I definitely will respond back. I drove today for the first time since 9/11's surgery date. Boy I felt like a beginner again. I can't move my neck like before so it was definitely very weird turning my body at a point so I could see. Seat belts aren't made for people like me! :) Look forward to hearing from you, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 17:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Congrats on getting out on the road! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Notability for Solidworks == |
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Hi Ronz, |
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I saw you added a notability tag to the solidworks article, and thought I would send a message asking for clarification. When I see tags at the top of the page, I always review them to A) see if I can help and B) see if they are necessary. While a few of the tags up there are probably justifiable, the notability tag made me do a double take. |
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Can you seriously suggest that this software isn't notable? The article states that there is an established user base of 750,000 users, with over 1 million licenses sold. For perspective only, there are articles on wikipedia about various Linux distros that only have a few thousand users. I can agree that the article needs cleanup and needs to be reworked to meet the wikipedia style and quality standards. I suppose it also reads a little bit like an advertisement. I can not, however, understand how this could not be an important and notable article. |
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I would like to add some personal comments as well. While I wouldn't add this to an article as it is original 'research' I do know that solidworks is very quickly becoming the industry standard CAD package in new product design. Also, Solidworks is now taught in all of the engineering schools that I know of. |
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If you really think that the notability tag is justified here, please reply on my talk page with your concerns, and I will do my best to answer them with sources including citations. |
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Thanks, [[User:CoolMike|CoolMike]] ([[User talk:CoolMike|talk]]) 22:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}}I just skimmed the article, and while I agree it needs work, I would say that Solidworks is easily a piece of notable software as it is currently one of the most common three dimensional mechanical engineering design programs. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 22:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::Yep. The article needs multiple sources demonstrating notability per WP:N. They shouldn't be hard to find and include. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 22:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Agreed, I've been looking, the issue is sorting out the press release from actual articles, I have had some success, have posted them on Cool Mike's talk page.--[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 22:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Exactly. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 23:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Hi Ronz, Please try to find a tag that is more appropriate than the notability, yet gets the point you want to make accross. I was looking through the list of possible tags for the solidworks situation, and it seems like there are 100 or more possible tags. I feel that the 3rd party sources takes care of the problem, as adding third party sources would necessary mitigate the notability question. If you feel you need another tag to try and address your concerns, please try to find a more appropriate tag than the notability. I will leave the tag as it is for a day or so to give you a chance to find a more appropriate tag. Thanks, [[User:CoolMike|CoolMike]] ([[User talk:CoolMike|talk]]) 20:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Thanks for the note. I don't see one that better fits. Is there a template available for customizing for such situations? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Re: Matt Chamberlain == |
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Those links were references, and not intended as advertising.[[User:-5-|-5-]] ([[User talk:-5-|talk]]) 07:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for getting back to me. They are all self-published sources written by the equipment providers to promote themselves. There wasn't a single independent, reliable source. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Thank you for your message, Ronz. == |
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Thank you for your message, Ronz, which was |
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"I've reverted two of your edits [1] and [2] because they appear more as personal opinions than content suitable for an encyclopedia article. It's best to discuss such matters on article talk pages, so editors can help determine what portions worth including in the article with proper sources." |
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I looked at the edits you referred to, and what I wrote has nothing to do with any opinion personal or otherwise, mine or anyone else's; it in fact is what is extensively known across India, has been so for well over a century at the very least, and is so in all likelihood for several millennia; while the posts I attempted to correct were at total variance in the first case (Krischnakamala) with what is known in India generally, and very incomplete without the parts I added in the second (uses of chilly). |
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The reason I did not add citations is as simple as this - if someone refers to London as Londre with no reference to the English name, a correction is based on generally known fact, and while you might find a citation for that it would be silly to ask for one. On the other hand someone publishing somewhere an error, an incorrect report, might then go on to site it and this merely compounds the error, obviously. A recent noble laureate on BBC proved as much logically when someone mentioned something from a book that was at variance with what he was saying. Sorry I cannot cite the exact name or the timing of the show when it was aired, and might with some trouble find the name of the person - the nobel laureate - who argued thus logically and completely, but the point is really not if I can cite all this. |
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If you need a weight to balance these posts you might take a survey amongst people from India - not limiting it to Kerala, for one thing, and asking those that relate to the region mentioned for another. (For Krishnakamala as someone from Maharashtra or Karnataka, for Chhole ask anyone from Delhi or Punjaab, about the reference to Tamilnadu ask women from Tamilnadu, etc). |
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You may, of course, decide as an editor to use your privilege to scrap all corrections I have made and post a general instruction to not accept anything without citation. This will merely compound the errors of printed sources into Wikipedia and discourage people generally from letting their general knowledge being shared, which is the sort of thing that leads to for example India now having to battle against various US corporations attempting to patent ancient knowledge of India from Ayurveda to every household and kitchen. |
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In short, citations are only as good as the sources which might err, while general knowledge might be without a reference. And if one cannot correct an error in Wiki without citations it will lead to Wiki being full of such errors by giving preference to those that can cite incorrect facts for support. |
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I notice that the page here and most other places says at the bottom |
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"If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here" |
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and also that the corrections I made or additions I made were to material which I don't remember being provided with citations, but then again perhaps that is because the material is not tagged with citations where it is given, so I failed to notice it since looking for the citation separate from the posts is hard work and not worth my time in this case. |
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One example - use of saliva for antibiotic purposes is now being discovered in west while in India it has been a general practice especially amongst poor, and could not have been anything but a traditional knowledge. This might be possible to find a citation for, but I wouldn't know where to begin to look. It is an indubitable fact however, citation or not or whatever. |
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Thank you again - |
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PS- I looked again and found a really stupid error in the original post which I had added to, not corrected, on the chilly page. The particular quote, offensively incorrect, is "daddojanam ("dadhi" curd, "ojanam" rice in Sanskrit)" - offensively because Sanskrt (r is a vowel in Sanskrt and its daughter languages, a vowel beind defined as the sound one makes without touching any part of the mouth to any other part; the name of the language, and indeed the name of Krschna, use the vowel r pure, without any addition of i or u as often colloquially and entirely mistakenly done) does not tolerate mistakes any more than mathematics does - and the correct version would be Dadhyodanam, with Odanam being (cooked and ready to eat) rice. If Ojanam is a word in Sanskrt at all I am not so far aware of it, but then an extensive knowledge is yet not complete. The spelling you have used is probably given by someone whose language distorts words and sounds wholesale, of which there is at least one, and it can be done for political purposes a la badmouthing of Semites by certain power interests. |
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The use of sch in Krschna by me is due to the fact that Sanskrt (and her daughter languages too) use two very different sounds recognised as separate in India but not in Europe - one in forefront of the mouth and one way back. Sh represents the former which is more common of those, as in Shankar, while sch can be used to represent the latter, as in Uscha (commonly written Usha) or Krschna (commonly written Krishna in Roman script). |
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Dr, J. G. 07:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for following up on this. As I pointed out, I think these edits should be discussed on the relevant article talk page. Your subsequent edits to those articles have none of the problems that concerned me, and I see you've started a discussion on another article's talk page. Good work! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Spam == |
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I do not understand why putting links to webpages which contain videos relevant to the subject is considered to be SPAM. I understand about the nofollow tag - I am not trying to promote anything, just provide more information. Chris Pettit <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chpettit|Chpettit]] ([[User talk:Chpettit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chpettit|contribs]]) 12:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I think you have a [[WP:COI]] with all the links you've added. Are you claiming that you do not? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Yes and no. I certainly have an interest in people seeing the videos I make but where is the conflict? I am simply saying "here is a video you may be interested to see" where the video is relevant to an article. Many people have viewed the videos so presumably found them useful. However if this is against WP rules I will stop adding them. CPettit. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chpettit|Chpettit]] ([[User talk:Chpettit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chpettit|contribs]]) 15:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It would probably be best if you stopped adding links to your videos, but read through [[WP:COI]] to understand the situation and your options better. See [[WP:YT]] regarding video links in particular. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Thanks for these. There is certainly no problem about copyright and for most of the links there is no "special interest" or viewpoint. Most of the videos I would link to simply give information about organisations that may be able to help the viewer or that are trying to make life better for other people. The only exception are videos about The West Bank and, possibly, climate change, although this is now a majority concern. I think I will be more selective in future and only leave links to videos which do not express a particular viewpoint. --[[User:Chpettit|Chpettit]] ([[User talk:Chpettit|talk]]) 20:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:It would be best if you started discussions on the talk pages of all articles you wish to add such links. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Reversion against information on your edits == |
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I noticed now that you had said |
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"I've reverted two of your edits [1] and [2] because they appear more as personal opinions than content suitable for an encyclopedia article" |
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and saw the reversion. |
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What I had provided was information that is widespread general knowledge, correcting the gross error (calling what is known as Krishnakamala as rakhi flowers instead in the first instance, entirely incorrect, which I had corrected) or lack of most general information (uses of chilly in India as I gave are extremely well known). |
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In both cases it was information, correction, and nothing to do with anyone's personal opinion much less mine; what I gave was - again - widespread general knowledge, which corrected the wrong information ("rakhi flowers"?!!) or lack of any general information (about uses of chilly). - Dr, J. G. 12:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Yes. As I noted above in response to your other comments, I think your subsequent edits are much better. Good job! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Avoidance and 1RR == |
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I've effectively avoided you ever since you grossly offended me, but I don't think my statement has anything to do with "grudge" '''''(refactored)'''''. My view on the issue has been changed as time goes by because only one hand can not clap. |
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Is it fair to impose the 1RR ban to only one party when the other party do wrong? I do not want to preserve such '''''(refactored)''''' comments of yours in my talk page, so there is no need for any continuation between us. "Avoidance" is a recommend DR, so I want that since I've observed your behavior for long enough time. That is why I did not report you to any administrative venue'''''(refactored)'''''. However, if you still want to talk about your conducts, feel free to leave the message ''your talk page'', then I will put this page on my watchlist from the time being and answer you as possible as I can.-[[User talk:Caspian blue|'''Caspian''' blue]] 20:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I've refactored your comments, indicating where I did so, in the hope that it will allow us to continue a discussion. If you want further explanation, refer to the diffs. Thanks! --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:You've not addressed my concerns and you've continued your behavior. That's not avoidance. That's only avoidance of taking responsibility for your behavior. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::You're very out of line making a file of personal attacks and refactoring my comments with the false labeling. That is against [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:TALK]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. You've been warned not to do such things many times, so don't touch others comments. I think I will have no business with you ever. Avoidance would be a good solution for both of us --[[User talk:Caspian blue|'''Caspian''' blue]] 20:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::"You're very out of line making a file of personal attacks and refactoring my comments with the false labeling." No I'm not. I'm trying to conduct a civil discussion. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::"That is against..." No it isn't. Again, I'm trying to conduct a civil discussion. |
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:::"You've been warned not to do such things many times, so don't touch others comments." Those warnings were little more than personal attacks themselves. I've given them more consideration than they deserve. I will continue to refactor others' comments when I think it is best, and am happy to discuss my rationale for doing so. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::"I think I will have no business with you ever." Thanks! If this is your solution to your attacks against me, then I expect you to hold yourself to it. That means no further personal attacks from you against me anywhere on Wikipedia. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:"Is it fair to impose the 1RR ban to only one party when the other party do wrong?" Given that this is not the case, it's irrelevant. Time and time again it's been demonstrated and discussed at length that Badagnani has problems with '''anyone''' that disputes his edits. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Marc Sinden puffery == |
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Thanks for your comments, I've replied on my own talk. [[User:Little grape|Little grape]] ([[User talk:Little grape|talk]]) 00:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I think the first pass at this is pretty much done now. In any case - I have to stop now, otherwise the will to live may leave me entirely..... [[User:Little grape|Little grape]] ([[User talk:Little grape|talk]]) 23:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC) |
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==strangeapparatus.com== |
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I notice that the external link that I had placed was removed. The link was to a non-comercial website and added information that was not available in the article nor from any of the other external links (i.e it contained practical and detailed constructional details of a theremin). I respectfully submit that the link should be reinstated as it was useful, expanded on the information in the article and complied with the spirit of the Wikipedia project. Best regards, [[Special:Contributions/203.91.94.116|203.91.94.116]] ([[User talk:203.91.94.116|talk]]) 12:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. You spammed the same link to two other articles, in violation of [[WP:SPAMMER]]. If you think the link is appropriate per [[WP:EL]], discuss it on the article talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Spam links == |
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Hello, Ronz. Thank you for cleaning up after the spam. One easy way is to use [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Triplestop/monobook.js&diff=prev&oldid=337017072 this script] which allows you to instantly rollback everything on the screen while using an edit summary. You might also want to use popups to verify each revert first. [[User talk:Triplestop|'''<font color="blue">Triplestop''']] [[Special:Contributions/Triplestop|<small>x3</small>]]</font> 16:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the suggestion. I should use it for blatant spammers. It would be easier and faster to revert afterwards anything worth keeping. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:How does it work? I need rollback privileges, right? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::Yes, you would need rollback. It basically clicks every rollback button on the screen. [[User talk:Triplestop|'''<font color="blue">Triplestop''']] [[Special:Contributions/Triplestop|<small>x3</small>]]</font> 16:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks. Is there any way to add additional information to the edit summary of a rollback? I suppose explaining on the user's talk page would be enough... --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::If you need edit summaries, use Twinkle (enable it in [[special:preferences|preferences]]). I just [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ATriplestop%2Fmonobook.js&action=historysubmit&diff=337023145&oldid=337017072 modified] the script so you can use whatever summary you choose. You can request rollback [[wp:PERM|here]]. If you do ever use the script, make sure you are very careful. [[User talk:Triplestop|'''<font color="blue">Triplestop''']] [[Special:Contributions/Triplestop|<small>x3</small>]]</font> 17:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks! |
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:::::Also, he's occasionally adding other, appropriate, content still. I've restored once such edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gertrud_Kraus&diff=prev&oldid=337021997 here]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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I'm a bit confused what rollback does in complicated situations. I'm going ahead and requesting permission, the I'll experiment at [[WP:NAS/R]]. I've put off using a tool like Twinkle for too long now. Looks like it would be very helpful with large scale vandalism, as well as cases where others' only partially cleaned up after persistent vandals like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Guy_Fieri&action=historysubmit&diff=336664387&oldid=336663271 here]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Snap! Weird.... [[User:Little grape|Little grape]] ([[User talk:Little grape|talk]]) 17:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== FYI == |
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Hey there, I know you've been involved in this matter so I thought[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&curid=5137507&diff=337037098&oldid=337035917 I'd bring this to your attentions in case you miss it]. I hope this is helpful. As usual, ignore if not interested. :) --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 18:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! I was wondering who would pull it out of the archives. It should be an open-and-shut case, given how much worse his behavior became mid-2008. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::It seems everything here at times have to take the long route to get to the destinations. :) Be careful at arbcom, my first only case was a disaster. What most of us thought was open and shut wasn't to be. It can get very weird there. Watch out for yourself. Good luck, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 19:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I'll participate little in ArbCom, other than to demonstrate that his behavior has been bad for years, and that it significantly escalated in mid-2008, all before I interacted with him. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Entschuldigung == |
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I guess I was a bit harsh or unfriendly. The Kolmar article at the JWA is very good, the Ruth Landes thing better than most Michigan Anthropologists stuff, but in principle you were absolutely right and correct. It is much better to use the information for the article etc. Alles Gute, --[[User:Radh|Radh]] ([[User talk:Radh|talk]]) 09:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Not at all. I was glad you spoke up, and was interested in seeing if you wanted to review further edits. In general, it should be a helpful link. The problem is there are hundreds of articles to review. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Moving to ArbCom, unfortunately == |
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You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#User:Badagnani]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use— |
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* [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Requesting Arbitration]]; |
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* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide]]. |
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Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice --> |
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— [[User:Bdb484|Bdb484]] ([[User talk:Bdb484|talk]]) 02:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Removal of cchr.org.uk links == |
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Wiki policy is allow links of those that give balance to any article; where link exists, could not be included for copyright reasons. You have removed links CCHR.UK. Any health care treatments requires policing, when things go wrong, person might turn Wiki, and where main article makes claims, these be counter balanced from external link. |
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Therefore request all links, all of which been added via myself onto NHS, pages, be reinstated as soon as possible. NHS an organisation that abused me, abused many, daily new people join the cause to out psychiatric abuse. |
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Sincerely. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.42.236.41|217.42.236.41]] ([[User talk:217.42.236.41|talk]]) 21:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for the message. I'm sorry you had such experiences with NHS. However, Wikipedia is no place to work out your grievances (per [[WP:SOAP]] and [[WP:BATTLE]]). I hope you'll be able to find proper help for dealing with such trauma, if you've not already. |
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:Focusing now on the links: Not only did I remove the links, but I recommended the site be blacklisted at [[Wikipedia:RSPAM#cchr.org.uk]]. Feel free to comment there. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 01:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Mya_Thwin == |
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Hi, could you go ahead and delete the article [[Mya_Thwin]]? I don’t think anyone will object. [[User:Mysticeditor|Mysticeditor]] ([[User talk:Mysticeditor|talk]]) 12:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I've gone ahead and proposed deletion. If no one objects, it will be deleted Jan 20. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:: I'm not convinced. I don't see the case for deletion. Notability is established. [[User:Mysticeditor|Mysticeditor]] ([[User talk:Mysticeditor|talk]]) 09:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Memory Foam == |
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I am sorry but I do not understand the problem you are having with my edit to [[Memory_foam]]? I added 1 article where citation was needed about foam density, then I fixed a broken link on reference #1, and lastly I added another article for a citation about the smell of a mattress topper. I am not understanding why the third one got removed as it has no advertisements of any sort, it is just an information page. Sorry if I somehow broke the rules or I am missing something as I am new to editing Wikipedia. I felt all three additions I did were very good additions. I added two articles which needed citations and fixed a broken one. Please excuse the fact that I had to edit this comment about 5 times to make it look like its supposed to and follow format.<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.111.58.218|24.111.58.218]] ([[User talk:24.111.58.218|talk]]) 19:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> [[Special:Contributions/24.111.58.218|24.111.58.218]] ([[User talk:24.111.58.218|talk]]) 19:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the message. As I pointed out in my edit summary [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Memory_foam&action=historysubmit&diff=338032463&oldid=337975560], www.viscoelasticmatresstopper.net is not a reliable source. It's not even a valid link. You meant to add www.viscoelasticmattresstopper.net , which has been repeatedly added to the article by others, even though it's not a reliable source. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 20:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::First off, good catch on it not being a valid url, I thought I typed it correctly. I had seen that article before on this page which is why I bookmarked it. I have been doing extensive research lately on these mattresses as it is quite a large purchase for myself. The wikipedia entry has been priceless and so have a few of the other references including the link you removed. I do not understand how you say that it is not a reliable source, the page is not advertising or selling anything and, that web page describes the owner's personal experience about the chemical odors which is almost identical word for word with what is in the "Hazards" section of [[Memory_foam]]. So it seemed like a perfect citation, sorry for all of the questions. I have been an avid reading of Wikipedia for a long time and figured I owed it to the site to contribute from time to time. As you can tell I am still definitely learning [[Special:Contributions/24.111.58.218|24.111.58.218]] ([[User talk:24.111.58.218|talk]]) 23:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for following up. Sounds like a simple mistake. [[WP:RS]] describes the guidelines for reliable sources. Because of the quality we want from our encyclopedia articles, [[WP:SELFPUB|self-published]] sources are subject to additional rules. Because in this case the author of viscoelasticmattresstopper.net is purposely concealing his identity, I can't imagine any circumstances where it would be an acceptable source. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I've removed the link again. You claim that the unknown author is some sort of expert. Who's the author and what are his credentials? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 17:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::If you read the about section on the website it describes why the owner is an expert on the topic, however due to your issues I took the liberty of contacting him via his website's email. His name is Chris, he spent the last 2 month of last semester (Oct and Nov) doing his final project in some university business class on this exact topic, he also told me that he has owned multiple memory foam mattresses and two different brands of memory foam toppers. His website describes almost word for word the experiences that are included in the hazards section of the Wikipedia entry. After searching through Google for multiple hours it was the single most credible source for the final paragraph of any other website. You need to calm down on your Wikipedia edits, you are the sole person who has a problem with this source. I personally found it extremely helpful in my research when I was contemplating making a purchase of this specific product.[[Special:Contributions/24.111.58.218|24.111.58.218]] ([[User talk:24.111.58.218|talk]]) 21:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::The source fails [[WP:RS]]. The source fails [[WP:SELFPUB]]. If you want to attempt an argument to the contrary, please do so on the article talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Why remove dot.cloud book citation at cloud computing page == |
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It's one of the most referenced cloud computing books and you took it down. Why? Go to amazon and search cloud computing to see for yourself. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Martin.ashcroft|Martin.ashcroft]] ([[User talk:Martin.ashcroft|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Martin.ashcroft|contribs]]) 17:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I took it down because, as I said in my edit summary, it is "not apparent what this verifies". You've made no edits to the article recently or in the past that appear to be [[WP:V|verifiable]] from this reference. Your past edits to the article were to spam various promotional links. It appears you're continuing to add material for promotional purposes, just without the links this time. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC) |
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==Blatant vandal?== |
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Not me, I didn't write anything bad. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jkisston|Jkisston]] ([[User talk:Jkisston|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jkisston|contribs]]) 18:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:If you continue as you have done, I'll ask that you be blocked. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC) |
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==Trolling== |
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I see that you have a spot of the trolling nature going on :-). I wonder when their open proxy <koff> will alter it's IP? :-) [[User:Shot info|Shot info]] ([[User talk:Shot info|talk]]) 23:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Thank you Ronz == |
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Good Day! I'm Mr. Chan from Philippine Cultural College. Recently we have our attention happening to the article of Phillipine Cultural College and we are thankful for reverting the article. We are trying to contact the administrators of wikipedia to update the information and protect it from users that can easily edit the article. Do you have any ideas if it is possible? Thank you very much! you may contact us through yahoo messenger or email info@pchsonline.org or pchs_itc@yahoo.com or you may visit our website www.pchsonline.org Thank you very much. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pcc itc|Pcc itc]] ([[User talk:Pcc itc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pcc itc|contribs]]) 00:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The article is protected until 25 Jan. Use [[Talk:Philippine Cultural College]] to discuss improvements and problems. I'll be checking the article for discussions and further problems. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 00:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Thank you very much :) |
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Yesterday, January 26, 2010, we update the history and college courses. i will remove everything that is look promotional. You may visit our website www.pchsonline.org Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.69.87.180|58.69.87.180]] ([[User talk:58.69.87.180|talk]]) 01:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You can't just copy content from PCC's website directly into the article. I've outlined what to do instead at [[User_talk:Pcc_itc]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 02:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC) |
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==Learning wiki== |
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Hi there, i see you reverted the Genetic Algorithm tutorial demo i put there, citing that it's "redundant and spammy". However, it's useful for people new to GA to learn it via this demo. new to wikipedia, i realise that it should not appear in multiple places, like Genetic algorithms, evolutionary algorithms and evolutionary compuatation. I remember that you deleted the link from the latter 2, and i respected that, if that's wiki's norm. |
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now the link is only in Genetic algorithms, and is in fact more of a tutorial than other tutorial links there. can you explain more why it is regraded as "redundant and spammy"? i'm lost, but willing to learn, and would appreciate your sharing your insight and dealing with this calmly. thank you. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 16:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Hi again, please refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.31.23.114 |
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someone who often edits/contributes to [[genetic algorithms]] suggested on 18 January '''"tutorials are provided in the Tutorials subsection of the External links section"''', which i did. Despite all above, if you still have reasons to believe that the tutorial link i added is "redundant and spammy", i'm open to hear. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 17:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the response. There are seven tutorials already, all better than the one you and others keep adding. I'll give more details on your talk. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Dear Ronz, |
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Thank you for your reply. |
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I like learning and shall endeavor to remember adding discussions when editing. |
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I like wiki and have found it's most useful when I need to pull information fast on something that I don’t know. While I do not claim no coi, the purpose of adding that GA demo link was obvious to me – to help newcomers to EC/EA/GA learn quickly, and many who were introduced to the link did learn fast from it. However, all seven tutorials there cannot do the job as efficiently or effectively as this one. What made you suggest that any of the seven were better than this one? |
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I'm not claiming I'm an expert, but do have practiced GA for many years. I understand that several universities use it in their teaching, eg: |
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* University of Glasgow of course – where the link is originated: http://userweb.elec.gla.ac.uk/y/yunli/ga_demo/ |
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* University of Sussex: http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/courses/nsai/ |
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* University of Granada: http://decsai.ugr.es/~ocordon/Docto-CE-RI-09-10.html Demo de Funcionamiento General de Algoritmos Genéticos |
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* Other places, like ai-depot: http://geneticalgorithms.ai-depot.com/Applications.html |
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Since wiki is contributed and edited by the users, can't we let the users decide which one is better? Is there a way for wiki to monitor the hit rate or something that is more objective? |
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I believe that we both would like to see wiki shines with its user involvement and with its wider and quicker availability than other encyclopedias. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 22:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Then we should move this discussion to the article talk page so it's easier to get others' involved. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 22:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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now moved verbatim; but i'd like to restore the link for the time being - people can't have a view on what they don;t see. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 22:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Gosh, while I was painstakingly adding links for the schools, you were removing them at the same time... OK, if that's regarded excessive, I've now used 1 link for all. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 01:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:It's not just excessive, it's inappropriate. Please read [[WP:EL]]. If you continue like this, you'll likely be blocked. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 02:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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well, as i said, when i added links, you were removing them at the same time - so i didn't realise what's happening, and it's not deliberately wanting to have "more than enough opportunities" to familiarize with WP:EL. only learnt what EL really meant until i saw "what's likely to happen". so you see, it's nothing personal at this end either, and i believe we both just wanted to do a good job. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 02:41, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:You may not have noticed the times WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOTLINK has been brought up in regards to your editing. Sorry for the confusion. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 02:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Ronz: Have you actually had a look at the hudong.com page? It provides more neutral, objective pedia on one page than any other sites. I also remembered that wikipedia's Chinese page was already linked from the main text of the English one, as well as from the left pane. Also, the official site is already linked from the clearly visible right pane. |
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So the only thing missing is the hudong page. If only one EL would be preferred, shouldn't it be the hudong link? Don’t you agree, I mean objectively? unless you think there is a rivalry between hudong.com and wikipedia. [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 23:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Per [[WP:ELOFFICIAL]], the official site is always listed in the External links section, and often in sidebars as well, as in this case. |
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:The hudong.com looks like a non-English wiki, so I removed it per [[WP:ELNO]] #12 and [[WP:NONENGEL]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 23:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Fair enough, I like a rigorous editor, but why did you only remove those extra ELs today, and not together with others in one go yesterday? [[User:Dzkd|ieee]] ([[User talk:Dzkd|talk]]) 00:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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==[[Lady Annabel Goldsmith]]== |
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I've reverted your deletion of the Private Eye reference, which I don't entirely understand. I assume your reference to BLP was about libel, but I don't see that this could be libel. See the article's talk page for discussion. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/93.96.236.8|93.96.236.8]] ([[User talk:93.96.236.8|talk]]) 21:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:And I've removed the info per BLP. BLP applies to much, much more than just libel. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 21:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== [[House of Carrillo]] == |
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Hi Ronz! Since you are very good with what is [[WP:RS|RS]] and what can and cannot be placed here and there, can you please help me with this article? I can't make out most of the references used because editors (mostly anons) will only put something like ''Alberto y Arturo García Carrafa, 2003'', ''Blasoneshispanos, 2003'', or ''Birmingham, 1986''. Also, people are simply dumping names in there, it's like everyone with the surname Carrillo wants their grand dad included in the article. I'm not even sure if there should be an article like this. Thanks!– <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" color="blue" size="5">Shannon Rose</font> <sup>[[User talk:Shannon Rose|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Yes, those are problematic without the full citation. |
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:I think the first step is to start a discussion on the talk page. If the information isn't verifiable, it can be removed per WP:V. I wouldn't remove any without first making an attempt to find the references and discussing what was found on the article talk page. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 16:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
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FIY I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Adenosine_deaminase_deficiency&action=historysubmit&diff=339971245&oldid=339970275 reverted] your removal of the NCBI link, since this seems to meet WP:EL (expert-written and free access). [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 18:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. It's one of those mass-spammed links that's probably useful in most cases. They all need to be reviewed, however, because the spammer is sometimes adding them to the wrong article. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::It isn't really "spamming" though, since this is a very useful link if added to the correct article. For instance, it isn't like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Adenosine_deaminase_deficiency&action=historysubmit&diff=339869858&oldid=332212100 AccessDNA] spam, which is useless and aimed at selling genetic tests. I've left them a note on their talkpage saying that they should continue to add these links. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 18:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::It's [[WP:SPAM]] in that he's adding the link and nothing more to multiple articles. This is a behavioral problem. |
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:::It's inappropriate editing and a content problem in that he's not reviewing the appropriateness of his links. He's sometimes adding them to the wrong articles in his haste to mass spam them across wikipedia. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 18:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::Even if they are making a few mistakes, the intent is good and this is a useful external link. Please do not mass revert. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 19:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Some of the "mistakes" eg [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Glycogen_storage_disease_type_IV&action=historysubmit&diff=339961829&oldid=322286405 diff] are due to there being several different names for the same disease, so the addition of the link is in this case quite correct. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 19:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I've looked over quite a few of his edits now, and he's doing a good job with making sure they are appropriate. |
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::::Still, there's the behavioral issue. If he continues this behavior, I'll give him a final warning. If he continues further, I'll request a block. If he takes some time out from his spamming to actually discuss his editing, I'm sure this can all be resolved quickly. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I think that is quite the wrong approach. So what if they are adding lots of links - they are adding lots of useful links. I would strongly object to any administrative action against somebody who is helping the encyclopedia by adding links that conform to our policy. If you are still skeptical as to if this is useful, I would recommend you discuss this at AN/I rather than acting unilaterally. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 19:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::::That's a position you can take, but you're going up against [[WP:NOTLINK]]. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz#top|talk]]) 19:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::See [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Addition_of_links_to_National_Institutes_of_Health_GeneReviews|AN/I discussion]]. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 19:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Lucie Fink Deletion
[edit]Why did you delete Lucie Fink? The page was legitimate and verifiable. Paulthelawyer (talk) 05:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Paulthelawyer is referring to the Lucie Fink article, which you PRODded. I restored it per this REFUND request, but I wanted to let you know in case you want to take it to AfD. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Paulthelawyer: Do you have a WP:COI with the article, as editors have indicated on the article talk page? --Hipal (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Re: ethnicelebs.com as a reference
[edit]Hi, first of all, sorry for my bad English... :-) Thank you for explaining to me how to use sources in English Wikipedia in the future. I point out that I have expanded the article this time using the geneastar.org source, which was already present in the article (I had to register to find the information, and in fact they are slightly different from what ethnicelebs.com reported). I hope now Ron DeSantis article is okay. Thanks again. --LukeWiller (talk) 21:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC).
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Michael O'Leary (Businessman)
[edit]Hi Hipal (or is there a concealed tautology in that?) I read the edit summary for your revert and note that, of the 2 issues, you address only citations. I have reread the text and you will see what I said about fanPOV. Hence I have reduced the tag to leave just the one issue. May I ask you to look at that issue again. I examined the references and they are mostly from perfectly reputable sources- Irish Times, New York Times, Irish Independent, Forbes, BBC etc. I also checked the few refs from biographies which MIGHT be favourable, and they refer only to the most basic biographical information. Aineireland (talk) 19:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I responded on the article talk page, referring to my original addition of the tag. In this case, there's a clear anti-fan pov problem. --Hipal (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
what to do?
[edit]Dear User. Just wanted to ask. I found such parts of text on the Gecko browser page:
Development of the layout engine now known as Gecko began at Netscape in 1997, following the company's purchase of DigitalStyle. The existing Netscape rendering engine, originally written for Netscape Navigator 1.0 and upgraded through the years, was slow, did not comply well with W3C standards, had limited support for dynamic HTML and lacked features such as incremental reflow (when the layout engine rearranges elements on the screen as new data is downloaded and added to the page). The new layout engine was developed in parallel with the old, with the intention being to integrate it into Netscape Communicator when it was mature and stable. At least one more major revision of Netscape was expected to be released with the old layout engine before the switch.
After the launch of the Mozilla project in early 1998, the new layout engine code was released under an open-source license. Originally unveiled as Raptor, the name had to be changed to NGLayout (next generation layout) due to trademark problems. Netscape later rebranded NGLayout as Gecko. While Mozilla Organization (the forerunner of the Mozilla Foundation) initially continued to use the NGLayout name (Gecko was a Netscape trademark), eventually the Gecko branding won out.[citation needed]
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and many more. they are not linked with news websites, nor books. How do you address such issues? it that normal? V21v (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi V21v. I'm not clear about what you're asking, but I'll try to respond best I can:
- You're quoting content from Gecko (software), and that content does not appear to be verified with a reference. I expect in a case like this, an editor could find suitable references to use by searching the Internet. --Hipal (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Sam AI BLP
[edit]Hello, Hipal and/or Ronz. I'm unsure if this is a shared account. I notice that Ronz is on break from Wikipedia. If Hipal = Ronz, please accept my apologies for this intrusion. The most recent entry on the BLP talk page of the now very-famous SV entrepreneur Sam, the "chatty" AI guy indicates removal of his marital/partner status. I am confused, because the source is WP:RS, it being The New York Times. I also noticed your stated mission in editing Wikipedia, which seems to be one of tact while preserving integrity. That is why I'm broaching this here, not on the article talk page. Specifically, I need to know if there a reason for excluding that information from the BLP? If so, I will not reinsert it.
If you respond here, please ping me, if you would be so kind?
No, I am not a troll nor (very) autistic! My reason for making this belabored inquiry is as follows: I became a childless widow at a young age, so I keep an eye out for unmarried men during the course of my Wikipedia editing. I know that widowed Wikipedia readers do too! It is helpful for us to be informed of the sort of information that was deleted from Chatty Sam's BLP. Thank you for reading this; I apologize for the lengthiness. -- FeralOink (talk) 15:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hello again! Now I understand! I just went through the history and this edit. Please disregard my prior message. Sorry for the clutter; you can delete or hat it if you prefer. I DO agree with you, about the article having a promotional aspect, and thank you for tagging it. I'll do some editing and try to address that now.--FeralOink (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the confusion. Glad that you're looking into the article. I did some quick cleanup, but there are still questionable sources and content based upon them. --Hipal (talk) 16:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Sandy Koufax family origins
[edit]Hey, @Hipal. I noticed you removed the information I added about Koufax's family. The reason I used these sources is because they are also used on other pages and thought it would be alright. I also found the information to match other sources.
If I am mistake as to the reason you removed them, I apologize. I am still quite new to all this and figuring my way around. All The Knowledge in the World (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Those sources are unreliable and should not be used, which you seem to understand for one [1] Point out any other pages using such sources, and I'll remove them too. --Hipal (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I understand. Will keep in mind and not use these sources. I now went back and noticed those pages are not featured articles and, hence, not as accurate. I will remove such sources myself should I come across them.
- Thank you for your help. Much appreciated! All The Knowledge in the World (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I would like you to clarify something: Find A Grave is used as a source in a lot of deceased peoples' pages. Is that source considered accurate?
- Also, should refrain from using geneology sites when referring to a person's relatives/ancestors? Would really appreciate the help. All The Knowledge in the World (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Take a look at the listings at WP:RSP. There are some genealogical sites that are reliable, but many include user-generated content. Find-a-grave links are an ongoing problem, but I've not kept up to date on the efforts to remove it as a reference and minimize its use as an external link. --Hipal (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Will keep a lookout for those links then. Thank you very much for your help. All The Knowledge in the World (talk) 19:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Take a look at the listings at WP:RSP. There are some genealogical sites that are reliable, but many include user-generated content. Find-a-grave links are an ongoing problem, but I've not kept up to date on the efforts to remove it as a reference and minimize its use as an external link. --Hipal (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Fiona Apple
[edit]Hi. I am so sorry. I forgot about that. Thanks for the help there! 152.168.30.193 (talk) 16:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
PragerU Kids sourcing
[edit]What's wrong with primary sourcing here? From my understanding independent sourcing is generally required to avoid NPOV problems and to establish the notability of a topic in the first place, so that had seemed fine to be primary sourced, although I'm not too clear on the guidelines for media summary. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 22:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi MasterTriangle12. Thanks for following up with me on this.
- It's their self-published information promoting themselves, so fails NOT (WP:NOTPROMO) and POV (WP:BESTSOURCES). --Hipal (talk) 23:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- BESTSOURCES is the most general summary of NPOV sourcing, reading further gives a better idea of sourcing policy. WP:PRIMARYCARE is a general overview of using primary sources, and the use of primary sources for media summaries like this. As to NOTPROMO was that just about including the quote from their website? I did want to make that whole quote a link to cultural marxism just for clarity, but that would probably be going too far with meta-editorialization. I think some of the wording could probably be changed to ensure that it cannot be interpreted as puffery though, which specific parts of those paragraphs did you think were not appropriate? MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Without a high-quality, clearly independent reference to draw upon, I don't see any way to move forward per NOT and POV. We're writing encyclopedia articles, not advertising copy. --Hipal (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that can easily be interpreted as advertising, and a few small changes would make that not a problem. I think you are misinterpreting those policies as being far more restrictive than they actually are, since it sounds like you think that primary sources cannot be used at all to describe what a company does or produces, or their statements about what they do, which is only the case for the being the basis of an article topic (often misread as being broader than that). NPOV & PROMO can certainly be used as part of an argument against including primary sourced material, sometimes even the whole argument if it is bad enough, but that is very different from it simply not being allowed, and there are several clarifications in the policies that detail where this is allowed. Maybe have a look over the policies that clarify this particular situation (WP:ABOUTSELF, WP:USEPRIMARY, WP:USINGSPS) and articulate where you think those paragraphs went wrong, if you are not specific then I don't know what part you had a problem with so I can fix it up. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 01:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I will try to get some extra sourcing though anyhow, it's not like it shouldn't be done better. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 03:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- We seem to disagree on basic policy. --Hipal (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was laying down the final word on those policies or anything, I guess I slipped into too authoritative a tone since it is just my reading and interpretation of the policies.
- I was describing all that with a lot of detail to make it easier for you to identify how I interpret the policies and give you some starting points to describe where you disagree, or to be more specific about your disagreement with the content. I would prefer more than just a generality about what you thought was lacking before I start coming up with improvements. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 07:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I don't see how a corporation's own press about themselves is encyclopedic in most cases. If it's worth noting, an independent publisher will note it. I'm concerned that NOT is being overlooked. --Hipal (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, notability, got it. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- What's WP:NOTEWORTHY within an article, not the merit of a topic for its own article. --Hipal (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I am aware of that difference. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I wish policies were clearer on it. --Hipal (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's pretty good for factual claims about the world but when it comes to media or politics it's a bit scant. Even if they were just more explicit about where editors should use discretion or discuss it between themselves rather than leaving us wondering if we are missing some bit of policy.
- Anyhow, I'm kinda thinking that whole section could do without the description of the shows, it's not that useful and as you noted the sourcing is poor. I'd like to have at least the count of the episodes to illustrate that the kids section is a large part of what they do now, that's primary-sourceable if dated, but it's a bit hard to find any other RSs that mention the program in enough detail to be worth citing, probably because they only started going hard on the youngsters in the last few years.
- I'd still like to mention that quote, since it is quite indicative of their intent, but there's a big problem, where not explaining that it is a conspiracy theory is WP:FRINGE and just irresponsible, but explaining it would basically be OR. Would like to mention their classroom "study guides" too, but same sourcing problems, they don't publicise that program outside their bubble so it's mostly just little op-eds and posts from parents complaining about their kids being taught that non-conservative thought is the devil or whatever.
- I should probably just make a thread on the talk page about the various kids stuff, the page is kinda lacking for how big the program is. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I wish policies were clearer on it. --Hipal (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I am aware of that difference. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- What's WP:NOTEWORTHY within an article, not the merit of a topic for its own article. --Hipal (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, notability, got it. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I don't see how a corporation's own press about themselves is encyclopedic in most cases. If it's worth noting, an independent publisher will note it. I'm concerned that NOT is being overlooked. --Hipal (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- We seem to disagree on basic policy. --Hipal (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Without a high-quality, clearly independent reference to draw upon, I don't see any way to move forward per NOT and POV. We're writing encyclopedia articles, not advertising copy. --Hipal (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- BESTSOURCES is the most general summary of NPOV sourcing, reading further gives a better idea of sourcing policy. WP:PRIMARYCARE is a general overview of using primary sources, and the use of primary sources for media summaries like this. As to NOTPROMO was that just about including the quote from their website? I did want to make that whole quote a link to cultural marxism just for clarity, but that would probably be going too far with meta-editorialization. I think some of the wording could probably be changed to ensure that it cannot be interpreted as puffery though, which specific parts of those paragraphs did you think were not appropriate? MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/prageru-kids-radical-right-wing-content-children doesn't appear reliable, and I'm not seeing anything obvious in it's references that would be helpful. It's the best I can find. It's probably too early, but I expect there will be usable references within a year. --Hipal (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Here's another by the same Prospect author as the ref that's currently used:
- I don't have time to look at these closely. If nothing else, their own references could be useful:
- https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.2023.2219167?journalCode=rpop20
- https://static1.squarespace.com/enwiki/static/5b0ee82df793927c77add8b6/t/626d6809a6dae5568cbdd65c/1651337225681/McCarthy+Hegemony+of+the+Right+Final+Proof.pdf
- --Hipal (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ay, I hadn't seen that Prospect article, seems quite useful although I guess would have to be attributed, thanks! Do you have access to that journal article? I messaged the author and they said they are trying to change it to open access, but didn't say how long that might take. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't have access either. --Hipal (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- That Dickinson-Cowin journal article just got opened up https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4187075 MasterTriangle12 (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Wow, there's a lot in that paper! Let's discuss on the article talk.
Looking a bit closer, I'm not sure what to make of it.--Hipal (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC)- Yeah, it is mostly describing the significance of the role PU is playing in radicalisation and making a call for further study, but if nothing else it is at least a good supporting source for some things. One important thing that it notes is PU trying to reframe it's fairly extreme ideologies as centrist and/or academic but I'm not sure how to work that in. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 05:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- I was having some difficulties with reading the reference. Fixed now.
- If we treat it as the highest-quality reference we have, then the POV of the Wikipedia page should be changed considerably along the lines you've identified. --Hipal (talk) 17:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, it is mostly describing the significance of the role PU is playing in radicalisation and making a call for further study, but if nothing else it is at least a good supporting source for some things. One important thing that it notes is PU trying to reframe it's fairly extreme ideologies as centrist and/or academic but I'm not sure how to work that in. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 05:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- That Dickinson-Cowin journal article just got opened up https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4187075 MasterTriangle12 (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't have access either. --Hipal (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ay, I hadn't seen that Prospect article, seems quite useful although I guess would have to be attributed, thanks! Do you have access to that journal article? I messaged the author and they said they are trying to change it to open access, but didn't say how long that might take. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
3O
[edit]Just a notification about a pending 3O. CurryCity (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
DRC
[edit]No problem at all! Good catch anyway. Some items in biographies are absolutely brutal to find on the web in referencing. Red Director (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Heritage revert.
[edit]Hello. Did you read my edit summary? Conservative is in the following sentence, with the same link. Please undo your revert. SPECIFICO talk 20:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Did you read mine? What do you think of the current version? --Hipal (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Current one seems OK, thanks. The real problem is the use of the loaded and imprecise term "think tank" -- although there are plenty of sources that call it that, there are also plenty that call BS on that. It's fundamentally a partisan advocacy organization that cloaks itself in narratives that appear to be credible policy investigations but do not reflect rigorous mainstream thinking. Removing "think tank" would be good, but I suspect it would be controversial on the talk page. SPECIFICO talk 22:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I agree that replacing "think tank" would be an improvement, but could be difficult. It would likely take some very good, in-depth references. --Hipal (talk) 02:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Current one seems OK, thanks. The real problem is the use of the loaded and imprecise term "think tank" -- although there are plenty of sources that call it that, there are also plenty that call BS on that. It's fundamentally a partisan advocacy organization that cloaks itself in narratives that appear to be credible policy investigations but do not reflect rigorous mainstream thinking. Removing "think tank" would be good, but I suspect it would be controversial on the talk page. SPECIFICO talk 22:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Want an image for an article?
[edit]So, in the interests of ITTITBOABF I thought I'd offer to search for a free image for an article you worked on. I do that. My hit rate for this sort of thing is about 10-20%, so I can't guarantee anything, but that's not 0. I looked at articles you've been working on recently, and saw Sommer Ray, which I can actually find a free image or two for; specifically she has marked a few of her YouTube videos Creative Commons Attribution, so we can use them, and I'd happily take a screenshot or two. However I looked a bit more closely at your edits there, and they're actually more deleting bits of that article rather than trying to expand it, so I'm not at all sure you'll be grateful to me for adding to it. I tried to find articles that you created, that I could try to illustrate, and couldn't find any. So - would you like me to add images to Sommer Ray? If not, are there any articles that you would be happy if I was able to illustrate? --GRuban (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the offer. Sommer Ray is a mess where I did some basic BLP cleanup. I hope to avoid more work on it given what looks like fan/UPE editing there.
- I do run across articles that need images, but I don't keep track.
- There was an RfC at Sia not long ago where editors were struggling to choose its initial image. They settled for a 2006 image. A more recent one would likely be of help. --Hipal (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wow, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sia_(musician) has many good images. I uploaded one from 2021, but it is much lower quality. I am not sure I'd be able to convince other editors it would be better than the other images just because it is more recent. --GRuban (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking. Yes, I agree it would be rejected because of the low resolution. --Hipal (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wow, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sia_(musician) has many good images. I uploaded one from 2021, but it is much lower quality. I am not sure I'd be able to convince other editors it would be better than the other images just because it is more recent. --GRuban (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Hey I'm concerned you might have violated the WP:3RR on Sommer Ray. I understand that BLP is an exception, but the information you reverted is not libelous or unsourced, as the BLP exemption only applies to libelous, unsourced, poorly sourced and contentious material. Contentious, maybe, but you're probably not going to be able to successfully argue for a 3RR exemption with NYTimes sourcing. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 01:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm the one that asked you to use edit requests so that you wouldn't be seen as continuing to edit war and ignoring the requirements of BLP. It's a BLP and under sanctions.
- My standard offer applies. I'd ask you to stop adding to it without clear consensus as BLP requires, so we don't have to worry about you being blocked or worse. --Hipal (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @InvadingInvader: Please respond. --Hipal (talk) 16:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure if Requested Edits is the best venue for the current developments – I think we're on a good track right now with smaller edits. In the future, please consider partial reverts instead of solving dandruffs with a decapitation. Since Dexerto seems to be our biggest point of contention, probably best to wait for the discussion to close since there is a CR there. Feel free to leave your own opinion on the source as well. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going to go ahead with my standard offer,
I am usually open to holding myself to one revert...
- Smaller edits are always helpful, but without consensus behind them, they are edit-warring against BLP and applicable sanctions.
- Dexerto is not remotely our biggest point of contention.
- I'm afraid we cannot continue as we are doing. I'm going to hold myself to 1RR. --Hipal (talk) 16:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @InvadingInvader: Please respond. --Hipal (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure what to say beyond the following. I'm not in favor of using requested edits as it implies I am a connected contributor, which I'm not. Neither am I a fanboy. I just wrote the article because I thought she met the GNG. If you'd like to hold yourself to 1RR, go ahead.
- Also, Dexerto just closed as Additional Considerations apply on WP:RS/N, with rare use for BLPs. I think we can warrant inclusion for Dexerto when cross-referencing other RS's and primary sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Edit requests or something similar so there are no violations of BLP. Repeated BLP violations will result in a block or ban.
- The arguments at RSN on why Dexerto shouldn't be used in a BLP mirror the ones I've given for it's use in Sommer Ray. There's no consensus to use it. --Hipal (talk) 17:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going to go ahead with my standard offer,
- Not sure if Requested Edits is the best venue for the current developments – I think we're on a good track right now with smaller edits. In the future, please consider partial reverts instead of solving dandruffs with a decapitation. Since Dexerto seems to be our biggest point of contention, probably best to wait for the discussion to close since there is a CR there. Feel free to leave your own opinion on the source as well. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @InvadingInvader: Please respond. --Hipal (talk) 16:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Feedback
[edit]Thank you so much for the feedback on my edit! For clarity, I was attempting to update the filmography and career sections. I am still learning and will make smaller edits in the meantime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abratimepoke (talk • contribs) [2]
Removed revision
[edit]In the source that I included, it said that Martha Plimpton had some Ashkenazi Jewish even if it was in small amounts. Genuinestyles (talk) 13:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Help
[edit]Hello @HipalI need your help related to article for deletion Rajmama (talk) 09:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Rajmama. I'm very busy, and may not be able to help. Review WP:DELETE, and make the best case you can by identifying the very best references. At a glance, the Xpress Times is probably the most detailed, but it looks like a publicity piece so probably will not be enough. --Hipal (talk) 02:25, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
avelyman.com cleanup
[edit]Do you know if it is possible to use AWB for this, manual cleanup for this would be... problematic? And do you know how this website got spammed so much? Thanks, Seawolf35 (talk) 20:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Glad someone else is interested in cleaning up the avelyman.com mess!
- I have never looked into how AWB works, or if other tools would be better.
- Regarding the external links: I've been keeping track of what I find at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#aveleyman.com_spam. So far it's a very small number of editors responsible for a large number of external links. --Hipal (talk) 23:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- It is a absolute mess to be sure, I don't get what the hell people think is valuable about that site. And it is established editors adding it too. Blows my mind. Seawolf35 (talk) 23:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Doubtful Sources
[edit]@HipalHi, I was browsing through your doubtful sources list and it's an interesting list. I agree that many of them are doubtful and are not trustworthy when it comes to WP:BLP. Here's a few more I think you should add.
Encyclopedia[3] Quite a few celebs have the incorrect DOB listed here.
Allocine[4] Same as above. The biggest red flag here is that it has Laverne Cox's birth year listed as 1984. When her actual birth year(1972) was revealed years ago.[5]
Moviefone[6] Like the above two, some celebs have the wrong DOB up. What makes it even more questionable is that the actor biographies that are on there, are a near copy/paste of their biographies that are on their Wikipedia page. If not the current version, then an older version from years back. So it looks like they got their info here on Wikipedia. Kcj5062 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's mostly just a list of questionable sources that I've run across on multiple occasions, before WP:RSP was created.
- I'm surprised encyclopedia.com isn't on RSP. It's difficult to find how to use it properly through RSN.
- I've run across allocine.fr. It certainly could use more discussion at RSN.
- Sorry I missed Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_411#Are_these_be_acceptable_sources_for_WP:DOB. I agree with your comparison to Rotten Tomatoes: treat them same way. --Hipal (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Allsides
[edit]Another fake "fact checking" website, thanks for noticing the other instance. "Progressive" may potentially be right, but there likely are better sources anyway. I only discovered the "Truthout" website recently via a link from a centrist news source, so checked its WP article. When seeing "anarchist" and "far left" I have only quickly surveyed it and it was obviously false. When reading about "AllSides" however, tracing the origin and money exposes it. Thanks again, —PaleoNeonate – 04:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Ad Fontes
[edit]Hipal,
My edit to Ad Fontes was based on this quote from the Columbia Journalism Review Article
- "A similar effort is “The Media Bias Chart,” or simply, “The Chart.” Created by Colorado patent attorney Vanessa Otero, the chart has gone through several methodological iterations, but currently is based on her evaluation of outlets’ stories on dimensions of veracity, fairness, and expression."
Hence my qualifier that the 2018 Columbia article is about a prior version of The Chart.
Is this the RS support you were looking for? Nowa (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Let's take this to the article talk page. I'm not sure I understand. The 2018 CJR article was written about a version significantly different than what was available in 2018? --Hipal (talk) 20:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I tried a wording closer to the RS and showed the full quote in the edit summary. I also added a topic to the talk page in case further discussion is needed. Nowa (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Ad Fontes Media: Use in Academic Research
[edit]@Hipal, I was going to respond to this edit of Ad Fontes Media on the article's talk page. I wasn't quite sure, however, what you meant by "examplespam, So". Could you elaborate? I want to be sure I understand and can address your concerns. Nowa (talk) 14:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- WP:EXAMPLEFARM covers it, and links to relevant policies, guidelines, essays, and templates. --Hipal (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Super. Thank you. I've modified the proposed new section and put it on talk:Ad Fontes Media for further vetting. I look forward to your commments. Nowa (talk) 13:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Question about Ad Fontes Media
[edit]Why is the article for Ad Fontes Media controversial? I see there has been some discussion about whether or not their rating are suitable RS for Wikipedia, but I don't quite understand why there is so much energy about the article itself. Is there something in the article's history? Nowa (talk) 17:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- The political issues (WP:CT/AP) with rating media, more prominent with All Sides. --Hipal (talk) 18:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Hipal!
[edit]Hipal,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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A barnstar for you!
[edit]The Barnstar of Diplomacy | |
Thank you for de-escalating the situation and for doing what you did. I appreciate the way you handled this after initially getting off to a rocky start. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC) |
You are correct
[edit]I won't use unreliable sources next time. Alon Alush (talk) 18:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Questions
[edit]Hello. I had a few questions about your recent edits on the Ed Young page that I am perplexed about.
1. Why did you remove pieces of the bio include ‘writer, speaker, artist’? Is he not an writer/author or speaker?
2. Why was the New York Times Bestselling Author section of the bio removed? You claimed ‘SOAP, COI editing’ but did not attempt to find any sources for what you removed or verify the sources that were currently there, you just removed it all? Seems more detrimental to the page than verifying and editing.
3. Could you explain why "50 Shades of They" by Ed Young, published by Creality Publishing and available on mainstream platforms like Amazon and Barnes & Noble, was removed from the bibliography? Given its relevance to Young's work in relationship counseling and its broad distribution, shouldn't it be included in his Wikipedia bibliography?
4. I’m confused as to why you added back the lifestyle section but removed the part ab Ed Young denying the report. You claimed it was an ‘interview’ in your edit. There were other editors in the talk section who agreed that this source was relevant and good prior to you removing it and it helped bring neutrality to a controversial section of a BLOP.
I’m genuinly trying to understand and i appreciate you helping me become a better Wiki Editor. Thank you 5dondons (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Once again, you're repeating yourself without apparent understanding of previous discussions and policies. Continue like this, and WP:IDHT might apply.
- You are a WP:SPA account working on an article where you're following in the footsteps of many editors with a clear WP:COI. You say you don't have a COI, but your behavior so far is indistinguishable from them.
- In light of [7] and [8], you need to rethink what you're actually doing here. I strongly suggest you walk back what you wrote in that second diff.
- The lifestyle section is back because the references are good. Removal of properly referenced content is a POV violation. We've been over this already, to the point where it looks like you're not reading what others have to say, nor understanding the relevant policies.
- The other questions deal with WP:NOT and WP:POV issues. I'm just doing some initial, simple cleanup of all the COI editing that has gone on. --Hipal (talk) 16:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I've removed your response as failing the instructions at the top of this page.
If you're not going to walk back your statements here, please tread extremely lightly. --Hipal (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know you stand by your comments at RfPP. Given that, I suggest you find other articles to work on, avoiding all areas where editing limits apply. --Hipal (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Please stop reverting. I've responded. Until you can make far greater efforts to follow TALK and AGF, you're at very best wasting time. --Hipal (talk) 23:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- And now the typical accusations of a "personal vendetta" etc have turned up. We know what they mean: "Lovely work, Hipal!" Bishonen | tålk 03:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks for the help. I wasn't looking forward to a COIN report and the further drama that would likely result. I don't like what drama occurred, but at least it was relatively contained. --Hipal (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
John Mearsheimer bibliography dispute
[edit]Notifying you I have requested a third opinion here. Ivan (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Biased user
[edit]Ratnahastin has an anti-BJP and pro-INC bias, and engage in edit war. Their edits are a mix of content removal (sourced), POV pushing, censoring, and misrepresentation of sources. Refer the edit history and talk page of Enforcement Directorate in early April this year, also check the edit warring in Katchatheevu from 31 March where the user tag-teamed with Rzvas for content removal without even providing a valid explanation. The problem in those articles still prevails.--106.206.219.12 (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note.
- I'd rather not expand my scope of editing at this time into more WP:CT/IPA until a few more broad enforcement actions take place. Be sure to document the problems will on the appropriate article talk pages and noticeboards to help with enforcement. --Hipal (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
More soon
[edit]I know we're mid discussion but I got Covid Monday :/ Ocaasi t | c 14:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Get well soon. I hope you can get access to an antiviral treatment if necessary. --Hipal (talk) 16:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm ok. Just sleeping for 3 days! Thanks for your thoughts. Ocaasi t | c 10:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are we good (in your opinion) on the current version? I can live with it. Ocaasi t | c 21:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome back. I hope you've recovered.
- It looks like good progress. Thank you for your help. --Hipal (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I had a mild case, and aside from sleeping 60 hours straight, no symptoms (thanks Advil + Tylenol!). No antiviral needed, and I'm back to my usual workload. As for the article, I think it's getting much closer to not being able to tell whether a proponent or opponent of FM wrote it, which is a good sign. This is the way of compromise. I appreciate your willingness to accept certain changes, albeit not ALL of them! :) Ocaasi t | c 22:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are we good (in your opinion) on the current version? I can live with it. Ocaasi t | c 21:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm ok. Just sleeping for 3 days! Thanks for your thoughts. Ocaasi t | c 10:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Reverted contributions?
[edit]Interested in specific feedback as to why the recent contributions to Diamandis were reverted – as well as preferences for making meaningful contributions to the page. Chadnjgrant (talk) 23:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- [9]
PROMO - please work in smaller edits with clear edit summaries
- I left some detailed feedback on your talk page as well. --Hipal (talk) 23:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Regarding Eric Jacobson article/talkpage message
[edit]Hi Hipal,
Earlier today, you removed a section from Eric Jacobson -- to be clear, I agree with your edits and reasons. I did not write the section. However, I would like to address the talkpage message you left for me afterwards. While I can see that this was a copy/paste "welcome" that I'm sure you've left for others (likely in many cases that warranted it), I'd frankly just like to be clear: I am familiar with the policies you've linked and have done my best to adhere to them in my edits, despite being a "new" editor. I have recently boosted articles, such as Dave Goelz and Bill Prady, with copy-edits/clean-up, formatting, sources, and general expansion. I welcome you to compare their current versions and their states prior to my edits.
I believe the message was unwarranted in this scenario. Tvfunhouse (talk) 18:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I made a mistake, the talkpage message was right before the article edit - but I'm still assuming it was correlated, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully you'll find that my contributions align with the policies you mentioned. Tvfunhouse (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm glad you are familiar with the policies.
- Therichest.com is a poor source, inappropriate for BLPs, and probably not reliable at all. [10]. --Hipal (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the revert
[edit]Thanks for reverting this erroneous edit. Obviously 2022 is 8 years after 2014, not two years prior to 2014.
My bad. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 04:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying what happened. We all make mistakes. --Hipal (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Jeffrey Sachs
[edit]Hello. I come to your talk page because you have reverted my edit in Jeffrey Sachs arguing it is promotional.
I consider it important for readers of Sachs' biography to know which political ideas and parties he supports. I agree nevertheless that the reference I used as source is clearly partisan (the Green Party itself) so I propose to reintroduce the text with this reference, which is Sachs' piece endorsing Stein.
Looking forward to your reply Hispalois (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Hispalois. Thank you for starting a discussion about this.
- Briefly, it requires better sources that are clearly independent of the subjects for us to say it's important enough to include. See WP:NOTPROMO, WP:POV, WP:BLPPRIMARY, and WP:RECENTISM. --Hipal (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me to those policies. In BLPPRIMARY, I see that it is ok to use Sachs' own statement: "There are living persons who publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if..." (and I think my reference matches all points). The policy I do see as problematic is that my edit can be considered Recentism. To counter that, I propose expanding the sentence to all of Jeffrey Sachs's public endorsements: Bernie Sanders in 2016, Sanders again in 2020 and now Stein in 2024. What do you think? Hispalois (talk) 17:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. By including it without an independent source, we are promoting Sach's political viewpoints and his support of Stein. --Hipal (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct @Hispalois, it is acceptable, though many BLP patrollers prefer to interpret the last sentence of WP:BLPPRIMARY as meaning you can only use it if you cannot find a detail in independent sources, and only if it is essential to the biography. You don't need to worry as much about that for normal biographies, but this one is more politicised. If you are unsure if an article is politically relevant in the present, look for clues like, in this case, "He has been criticized ..." in the lead or the presence of a multi-subsection "Critical reception" section.
- So it is safer to cite this: <ref>{{cite news |date=2024-04-29 |first=Richard |last=Winger |author-link=Richard Winger |title=Jeffrey Sachs Endorses Jill Stein |url=https://ballot-access.org/2024/04/29/jeffrey-sachs-endorses-jill-stein |newspaper=Ballot Access News}}</ref> instead. The more relevant policy is actually WP:BLPSELFPUB, where so long as the article is not
based primarily on such sources
, it merely has to fulfill the following criteria: (1)it is not unduly self-serving
; (2)it does not involve claims about third parties
; (3)it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject
; (4)there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity
. I have swapped sources and moved the statement to "Personal life". Ivan (talk) 13:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)- Thanks! Hispalois (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- (Ivan, your commenting here is probably a bad idea, especially so soon after your being blocked.) --Hipal (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Ivan's solution. The ballot-access.org ref demonstrates no weight or encyclopedic value. It's not even an article, rather just a mention that Sachs made an endorsement. It doesn't even rise to the level of warmed over press release, which would also not be enough. If ballot-access.org doesn't give it more coverage, we certainly shouldn't.
- My rule of thumb is to look for content in the references that demonstrates historical importance of the event/topic/etc for the subject of the article where it could be included. --Hipal (talk) 02:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Hispalois (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me to those policies. In BLPPRIMARY, I see that it is ok to use Sachs' own statement: "There are living persons who publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if..." (and I think my reference matches all points). The policy I do see as problematic is that my edit can be considered Recentism. To counter that, I propose expanding the sentence to all of Jeffrey Sachs's public endorsements: Bernie Sanders in 2016, Sanders again in 2020 and now Stein in 2024. What do you think? Hispalois (talk) 17:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Please explain why you undid my edits to Jeffrey Sachs' bio.
[edit]Could you please explain why, on Sept 4, you removed my edits on Jeffrey Sachs' bio page. I included links to and a few quotations from articles that Sachs wrote about the war in Ukraine. I figured that the section on the war in Ukraine should, at least, explain Sachs' views!
Thank you, Don ThinkerFeeler (talk) 17:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- My apologies for not responding to your comment on the aritcle talk page. Doing so now. --Hipal (talk) 01:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Joey Skaggs Advert Code
[edit]Can you explain what areas need work, revisions, removal, and so on that cause this issue? Or alternatively change these elements to aid in correcting the page. I have reviewed and edited it multiple times but am struggling to find the specifics that have not been pointed out for correction or clarification. Thank you for your help! Mr-asthmatic (talk) 01:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mr-asthmatic. Thanks for starting a discussion about this.
- I've not looked closely at all the references, but my impression at this time is that a total rewrite might be necessary.
- I suggest you follow the recommendations I already made on your talk page.
- If you insist on continuing to work on the article, I'd start by removing all the self-published sources and associated content. --Hipal (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Promo?
[edit]I am intrigued by the instant removal of study buddhism on Berzin's article - it basically removes any sense of what he has been doing in the last ten years or more is gone - do you ever consider re-writes? JarrahTree 01:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm rather baffled by your comment given your editing history. It's a BLP article, BLP content, sourced to a self-published reference. The solution is to either find a BLP-quality source that's independent of the subjects, or leave it out. --Hipal (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- In turn I find many editors are ready to tag/remove, but never actually edit or improve articles. Fair enough, keep up the good work. JarrahTree 02:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I find it problematic to work from such assumptions, especially with well-established editors. --Hipal (talk) 02:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- In turn I find many editors are ready to tag/remove, but never actually edit or improve articles. Fair enough, keep up the good work. JarrahTree 02:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- my apologies then, I understand your BLP policy issue re self referencing without RS I even remember when the BLP issue almost took WP down , and have no problem with that. As to the rest, ... JarrahTree 02:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the apology. --Hipal (talk) 20:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- my apologies then, I understand your BLP policy issue re self referencing without RS I even remember when the BLP issue almost took WP down , and have no problem with that. As to the rest, ... JarrahTree 02:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Need your help
[edit]Please visit "Cradles of civilization" article and settle the "Indus/India" dispute Qaiser-i-Mashriq (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Qaiser-i-Mashriq. I see that Hypnôs has already provided you with good advice on your talk page. I've left you some general information to supplement it.
- Unfortunately, I don't see myself having the time to assist with the article directly. The topic is under special editing restrictions (WP:CT/IPA). Please take care with how you continue. --Hipal (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
AP Political Bias
[edit]Hi, how are you?
I see that you undid my addition to the AP News article that AP News has a slight left of center bias. I read what you wrote as to why you removed my edit, but I did not understand it. Would you be able to explain further what was wrong about my edit? PotatoKugel (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying me. I'll respond in the talk page discussion. --Hipal (talk) 21:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
1RR
[edit]Hey you violated 1RR here. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- And you violated the sanctions that apply to the article.
- I've subsequently modified the content. What do you suggest? Revert to the previous version and make a proposal? I'll do that. --Hipal (talk) 17:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Dan Abrams Page
[edit]Hi Hipal,
I hope this email finds you well. We noticed you flagged Dan Abrams' page for reading like an advertisement. I work with Dan, and we've been trying to improve the accuracy of the page; currently, the impression is that Dan is first and foremost a TV person when he is first and foremost a media company owner. We're happy to get rid of anything that might be promotional while still being able to update the content to reflect Dan's work. Do you have any suggestions for what we can do to make this happen? We'd love to be in touch with you so that we can make sure that we make changes that work in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. Thank you!
Best, Zoe 2020AM2009 (talk) 16:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Zoe. Thank you for reaching out to me concerning Dan Abrams (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Briefly:
- You should take time to properly disclose your conflict of interest. Instructions are on User_talk:2020AM2009.
- You should be making edit requests on the article talk page rather than directly editing the article per WP:COI.
- Wikipedia articles should be written from a historical perspective (see WP:RECENTISM). It may be very difficult for you to find that perspective given your relationship with Abrams.
- Generally, articles should be written from references that provide broad context for the subject matter. The Abrams article appears to have been written from press releases and similarly promotional sources that have little context beyond whatever is being announced. --Hipal (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Ethnicity
[edit]Hi Hipal. Just to let you know, many sources cite Carson Wentz as German from Russia. Horvat is about the most Croatian Name you can have. Scherzer seems pretty obviously German. I don’t like all these ethnicity rollbacks. Stating someone’s ethnicity is important Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for following up with me. Especially with living persons, high-quality references are required. We should not be editing articles based upon guesses or assumptions. Sanctions apply to these articles, so we need to be cautious. I hope you understand. --Hipal (talk) 02:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- It’s not a guess. It is a fact. These rules are ridiculous. I personally believe players that do not state an ethnicity should be banned for life TBH Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also, Bo Horvat is an obvious one Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you find the rules to be ridiculous, then you should rethink why you're here. --Hipal (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Should also let you know that I am autistic, so I sometimes find these things a bid hard Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- You may want to look over Wikipedia:Questions to familiarize yourself with some of the venues available to ask questions and get help. --Hipal (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Should also let you know that I am autistic, so I sometimes find these things a bid hard Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you find the rules to be ridiculous, then you should rethink why you're here. --Hipal (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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Science of identity formation
[edit]It's being repeatedly vandalised since Tulsi's nomination and it's controversial practices removed falsely in the name of NPOV. Please do something. 2409:40E1:30C4:5D3E:AB02:B801:576F:3947 (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for contacting me about this. Yes, we should expect attempts at whitewashing the article. Best to identify the problems with the references, on the article talk page. I'm trying to keep an eye on the article. --Hipal (talk) 18:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanking note
[edit]I thank you that you removed false claims on the article Rajiv Dixit and wrote what is write, rather than the ideological form. Regards, Ved Sharma Kharavela Deva (talk) 06:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- It was the direct outcome of the article talk page discussions, noticeboard discussions, and the recent RfC. --Hipal (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)