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== Hello! I am a new member seeking Adoption/Mentorship ==
I am Vega. I write Psychology, Medical, Science, Philosophy, and Biology articles mainly and as a hobby. I have submitted only one to Wikipedia thus far and I believe it to be excellent, considering it is a first submission and I took so much time to proof-read and make sure to reference my reliable sources and so on.

However, I am far from an expert. Thus my issues with my personal writing are as follows: grammatical errors, such as typing errors of which I overlook in proof-reading and elaborating possibly too much, as opposed to being concise thus repeating my points merely rephrasing them (I do not notice this at the time but I feel that it must bore readers) and drawing out the main point, and finally It have trouble with the format of Wikipedia's coding style and have (but was brought to my attention) placed too many redirect links into my personal writing. Help?

Also, due to it being a very large passion of mine to research, learn, share knowledge, help others, and to write in general-- I wish to learn correct ways in which follow the terms of service/guidelines of Wikipedia appropriately in order to edit to articles/leave feedback to the authors in acceptable ways.

I have stumbled upon submissions, to say the least, in need of SEVERE help, editing, revision, references of an reliable nature added etc. and/or possible removal, yet I haven't learned and haven't the slightest clue what to do first if I see a post of this nature. My instinct is to help via editing and reviewing it-- Yet, with my limited knowledge thus far on editing in general I feel that due to posts of the aforementioned type existence, that in order to better contribute to lovely Wikipedia-- I need to learn all that I can to improve my contributions and conduct (ie What is appropriate to do when stumbling upon an opinion-based/biased/unreferenced article) i have no problem with simple edits, however I have a bit to learn on a larger scale for everyone's benefit. (coding is #1 in my problem area! help?)

Sorry to ramble. It's a habit. I would greatly appreciate you as mentor, if you are interested. If not, then Thank you anyways for reading my drawn-out request to be adopted. Thanks.
--[[User:Ladybrainbypass|Ladybrainbypass]] ([[User talk:Ladybrainbypass|talk]]) 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
{{subst:January 20th 2010 adoptme}} [[User:Ladybrainbypass|Ladybrainbypass]] ([[User talk:Ladybrainbypass|talk]]) Vega G.
--[[User:Ladybrainbypass|Ladybrainbypass]] ([[User talk:Ladybrainbypass|talk]]) 16:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
== More unIDed fungi ==

G'day Cas,

I've been frogging over the past few days, and the fungi season has definitely started! I have a coral fungi that I thought you would like for wiki, plus I also have a puff ball which I will upload later, will leave a message here when it is uploaded. Saw lots of fungi over the last few days, but only photographed the really interesting ones as I was using my small memory card, and wanted to leave some space for frogs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52507572@N00/465979784/?rotated=1&cb=1177065560324

Thanks. --[[User:LiquidGhoul|liquidGhoul]] 10:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:There was another nearby (about half a metre) which was 8cm tall, so I would go with ''Ramaria lorithamnus''. It was taken in rainforest, was very little Eucalypt around. Do you want me to upload it to wiki? Thanks. --[[User:LiquidGhoul|liquidGhoul]] 11:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


== Nomenclature of fungi ==
== Nomenclature of fungi ==
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Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of ''Nova Hedwigia Beheift'' titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of ''Nova Hedwigia Beheift'' titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


:That would be friggin' ''trés bién''. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is ''[[Agaricus]]'' which was called ''Psalliota'' in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are ''[[Amanita muscaria]]'', which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, ''[[Gyromitra esculenta]]'' as a future FA, ''[[Agaricus bisporus]]'' as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels - ''[[Amanita virosa]]'', ''[[Amanita bisporiga]]'' and ''[[Amanita verna]]''. ''[[Boletus edulis]]'' would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] | [[User talk:Casliber|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]] 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:That would be friggin' ''trés bién''. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is ''[[Agaricus]]'' which was called ''Psalliota'' in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are ''[[Amanita muscaria]]'', which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, ''[[Gyromitra esculenta]]'' as a future FA, ''[[Agaricus bisporus]]'' as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels ''[[Amanita virosa]]'', ''[[Amanita bisporiga]]'' and ''[[Amanita verna]]''. ''[[Boletus edulis]]'' would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] | [[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]] 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for ''Amanita''). I'll look up ''Agaricus'', ''Amanita'' (since ''A. muscaria'''s the current type) and ''Psalliota''. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for ''Amanita''). I'll look up ''Agaricus'', ''Amanita'' (since ''A. muscaria'''s the current type) and ''Psalliota''. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Cool, keen to see what pops up. cheers, [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] | [[User talk:Casliber|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]] 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Cool, keen to see what pops up. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] | [[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]] 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (<small>{{cite journal| last=Donk| first=M.A.| title=The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae| journal=Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia| pages=1-320| volume=5| year=1962| issn= 0078-2238}}</small>) because I forgot about it until the last minute. ''Psalliota'' looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with ''Agaricus'', and might be older. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (<small>{{cite journal| last=Donk| first=M.A.| title=The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae| journal=Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia| pages=1–320| volume=5| year=1962| issn= 0078-2238}}</small>) because I forgot about it until the last minute. ''Psalliota'' looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with ''Agaricus'', and might be older. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


::Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things ''Agaricus'' so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Casliber|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things ''Agaricus'' so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th-19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is ''a right mess''. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???
Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th–19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is ''a right mess''. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???


LOTS of "''per''" in citation here. See [http://fp.bio.utk.edu/Mycology/Nomenclature/nom-conv.htm]
LOTS of "''per''" in citation here. See [http://fp.bio.utk.edu/Mycology/Nomenclature/nom-conv.htm]
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:All proposals to conserve ''Agaricus'' against ''Psalliota'' or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.
:All proposals to conserve ''Agaricus'' against ''Psalliota'' or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.
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;On ''Lepiota''
;On ''Lepiota''
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Phew! [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Phew! [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Casliber|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


== [[Pork]] ==
== [[Pork]] ==
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Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


::This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


:::[[Scotish pork taboo]] is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Scotish pork taboo]] is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the [[Maimonides]] comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, [[Gid Hanasheh]] etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork - an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a [[midrash]]ic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment - he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the [[Maimonides]] comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, [[Gid Hanasheh]] etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a [[midrash]]ic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


:Someone has tagged the [[Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork]] for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Someone has tagged the [[Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork]] for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


::Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hope that helps. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Hope that helps. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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==Bract pattern==
== [[Sandwich Tern]] ==
[[File:Banksia menziesii cone.jpg|right|frameless]]
You know what I don't get? On page 245 of George (1981), and again on page 40 of Collins (2007), George gives a diagram showing the arrangement of unit inflorescences on a ''Banksia'' flower spike. Both diagrams clearly show a hexagonal layout; i.e. every common bract is surrounded by six equidistant common bracts, thus forming little hexagons. In support of this, George (1981) states "The unit inflorescences are so arranged on the axis that there are three pattern lines—vertical, and both dextral and sinistral spiral."


I haven't dissected an inflorescence, but in some species the pattern persists right through flowering and can be seen on the infructescence. You won't get a better example than this ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' cone. Look at that pattern. There's no way you could call it hexagonal. It is a rectangular (or rather diamond, since the lines are diagonal) grid. Depending on how you define a neighbourhood, you could argue that each common bract has 4 or 8 neighbours, but there's no way you could argue for 6. Similarly, you could argue for two pattern lines (dextral and sinistral spiral) or four (dextral, sinistral, vertical and horizontal), but there is no way you could argue for 3, because there is no reason to include vertical whilst excluding horizontal). On top of that there is a beautiful symmetry in the way each common bract is surrounded by its own floral bracts and those of its neighbours. But George's diagrams destroy that symmetry.
I see you've taken it on, good work. The display and vision bits at Crested Tern apply for all the genus. The opening sentence isn't fully supported by Bridge - although Elegant is very close, Lesser Crested isn't, other than being in the same genus. I won't abandon this article (after all, one good ... ''aaaarrrggh'', it's catching), but let me know if there's anything specific esp from BWP, Olsen or Harrison, where I have the books. Now, must be time for a couple of slices of bread with some meat in. 10:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


I thought maybe ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' was an exception to a general rule, but you can see the same diamond grid, though not as clearly, in [[:File:Banksia serrata4.jpg]], and I reckon (but am not certain) I can see it in my ''B.&nbsp;attenuata'' cone. And in [[:File:Banksia prionotes mature cone.jpg]] too. What the heck is going on?
== Australian figs ==


(I'm not just being a pretentious wanker here. I thought the diagram was interesting and informative enough for me to whip up an SVG version for Wikipedia. But since copying George's diagram isn't really on, and it is much better to go straight from nature if possible, I was basing my version on this ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' cone. But it isn't going to work if the diagram shows a rectangular grid and the text has to say it is hexagonal.)
Been a bit of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&hideminor=0&target=User%3AGuettarda%2FFigs%2FAus spike in editing] the few days... [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 00:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Cute tool that. We'll see how many GAs, DYKs and FAs we can get. Got bits and pieces of horticultural stuff to add yet :) ...just musing on how to bonsai my species... Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


:Thanks for reminding me on this one – I think it was Alex (or Kevin??) who told me that every bract pattern was unique to a species and hence diagnostic, but as far as I know not much if anything has been published on this area. The similarity between ''archaeocarpa'' and ''attenuata'' was noted (the bract pattern remaining in the fossils). I seem to recall feeling bamboozled as well by the description when I read it some time ago. I will have to refresh myself with some bedtime reading....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
== ''Banksia sphaerocarpa'' var. ''pumilio'' ==


:'''Update''': I had a look at the pages in question in the banksia book(s), there is a little bit more in the 1981 monograph but not much. I meant to ring Alex George about this and should do so in the next few days...I guess the photos look sort of like hexagons stretched vertically :P [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
FloraBase has an entry for this, but no other information.[http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/33401] Know anything about it? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:: ''Dipsacus fullonum'' Just passing through. I am not an expert with flora but I do take photos now and again. Does [http://www.flickr.com/photos/grytr/245879366/ this image] from my personal collection help or hinder your discussion? I see diamonds --[[User:Senra|Senra]] ([[User talk:Senra|talk]]) 12:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind; I found it.[http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/images/stories/nature/science/nuytsia/18/053-059.pdf] [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Haha yeah. Not a bad comparison at all. a diamond pattern it is there as well. You sorta let your eyes go a little out of focus and see two diagonal lines....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::... and I see your name in the Acknowledgements too.... [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 05:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


==Question==
::: XD - cool! We were all always arguing about the distinctness of northern ''ashbyii'', and Alex told me about the ''incana''. ''sphaerocarpa'' makes my eyes goggle, I knew about ''latifolia'' but had no knowledge of ''pumilio''. Wow, must go and read it now. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
[[File:Banksia menziesii inflorescence top closeup.jpg|thumb|If this is what developing flower pairs look like...]]
[[File:Banksia menziesii developing inflorescence.jpg|thumb|then what are these brown and white furry things?]]


I note that the last six images to be posted on your talk page were posted by me. I'm not sure whether to apologise....
I guess you might want to have a look at [http://elsewear.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/whats-in-a-name/ this] too. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


What is going on in the lower image? Clearly this is an inflorescence in very early bud, but those furry white things are apparently not developing flower pairs. Are they some kind of protective bract or something?
== A book you might enjoy ==


[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
It's all about flowers ... well, err, kind of.


:You certainly see those thingies on the developing buds of alot of banksias. I'd be intrigued what the Nikulinsky book, which is essentially a series of plates of a developing ''menziesii'' inflorescence, says (not sure, I don't recall whether it had commentary...). Another thing to look up. Was about to look up the patterns just now. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
* Patricia Fara, ''Sex, Botany and Empire: The Story of Carl Linnaeus and Joseph Banks'', (Sydney: [[Allen & Unwin]], 2003).


:Now I have looked at the books and bract architecture, question is are they common bracts or are they something which falls off (don't think so but..). Something else to ask Alex. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
She's a senior tutor in philosophy at Cambridge, written several very entertaining and informative books related to the history of science, probably including her doctorate.


::Having found nothing in George, I've been reading Douglas's stuff on ontogeny of Proteaceae flowers, and found nothing there either.<p>If you snap a spike axis in half, they are just that brown colour, and essentially made of closely packed fuzz. I wonder if there is initially no gap in the axis for the flower to grow, so the developing flower literally has to shove some of the axis out in front of it as it extends. This would explain everything except for the white tip. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 10:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
But I expect you know of her and this book already. I would have thought it a must read for the '''Banks'''-ia Study Group leader. ;) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 11:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


:Hmm, interesting. No I haven't heard of her. I will chase this up :) Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


I have today taken a long lunch and gone bushwalking with Gnangarra. While he took happy-snaps, I did some OR on this question. My diagnosis is: these are peduncles that have developed common bracts, but have not yet developed floral bracts or flowers.
::Ah! Glad I mentioned it then. I'm very confident you'll find Patricia's writing as entertaining as it is informative. Cheers. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 03:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


In very young spikes like the one pictured here, they are not yet very densely packed together, so they can be perceived as individual peduncles. Given time, they will continue to grow, and as they do so they will become more and more densely packed together, until eventually they are jammed together so tightly that their dense coverings of hairs form the fibrous brown material that comprises a typical flower spike, and the common bracts at their apex will form the bract pattern on the surface of the spike. At that point, they will no longer be distinguishable as individual peduncles, but will simply be part of the spike.
==Huia - suggestions==
Re this:
:"In section "Relationship with humans", can the phrases, "In some legends," and "In other traditions," mention the legends and traditions? Not strictly necessary, I am suggesting this because the above lines are consider Weasel words.".


When the flowers start to develop, they get squeezed together even more. At this point, sometimes, a peduncle may break off the axis and be squeezed right out of the spike as the flowers around it develop. Thus you may see one or two of these furry things sitting at random positions on the surface of a developed flower spike.
This will be hard to fix since I don't have the book Kotare used - and I wouldn't want to either, probably, since a pet hate of mine is anything which lumps traditions from different regions together without giving the sources. I would suggest getting rid of all of this:
:In Māori culture, only people of high rank wore Huia feathers.[9] In some legends, the Huia was one of the birds attained from the heavens by Tāwhaki so that his wife could decorate her hair with its feathers; this celestial origin meant that the feathers of the Huia were treated with the greatest respect.[5]


As evidence for this hypothesis I offer the following observations:
:In other traditions, the Huia was the leader of the hākuturi, the spirit guardians of the forest, which included Whiteheads and Riflemen.[5] A single Huia feather was worn as a talisman against misfortune. If a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter; if he dreamed of Kōtuku feathers it implied the conception of a son.[5]
#Wherever one of those "furry things" is found loose on the surface of a spike, you will also find a gap in the bract pattern beneath it, where the common bract is absent;
#"Furry things" may occasionally be found partly out of the spike, but partly in, in which cases the white tip is quite obviously the common bract. In such cases removal of the "furry thing" leaves behind a visible hole in the spike where a common bract ought to be.


[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 05:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


::Interesting – Gah! Forgot to ring Alex – evening is a crazy time with little availability for me, but will see what I can do. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
We could use as a partial source ''Traditional Maori Stories by Margaret Orbell, Reed 1992, pp82-83'', and rewrite as follows:


Not OR any more. Look at the picture of "Banksia flower bud seen in profile" [http://www.archive.org/stream/ageneralsystemb00maougoog#page/n685/mode/1up here]: clear evidence of the common and floral bracts forming one of those little furry upside-down pyramids, with the flower arising from it. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::In Māori culture, the "white heron and the huia were not normally eaten but were rare birds treasured for their precious plumes, worn by people of high rank".[ADD ORBELL REF]. <START FOOTNOTE: Orbell mentions some of the sacred associations of the Huia, saying [page 83] that if a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter.<END FOOTNOTE>


:On a tangential point, the first image would most likely pass FPC if it ever finds a home that is appropriate. [[User:Noodle snacks|Noodle snacks]] ([[User talk:Noodle snacks|talk]]) 06:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
We can also add a supporting reference from this page: [http://www.teara.govt.nz/TheBush/NativeBirdsAndBats/NgaManuBirds/1/e] and could perhaps still add the reference no [9].
::Hmmm, okay, hopefully Hesperian will see this thread. :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber#top|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Gosh, would it really?! I was quite proud of it but a bit unsure whether it had enough depth of field. But if I'll take anyone's word that it would probably pass, I'll take Noodle snacks. :-) [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


== ''Banksia menziesii'' with persistent florets ==
Hope this helps [[User:Kahuroa|Kahuroa]] ([[User talk:Kahuroa|talk]]) 20:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


[[File:Banksia menziesii inflorescence with persistent florets.jpg|frameless|right]]
== RE Notable saying? ==
[[File:Banksia menziesii with persistent florets.jpg|frameless|right]]
I recalled this one....[[Talk:Fes,_Morocco#Old_moroccan_saying]] - is it famous in morocco? Or just some anglophone urban myth...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
While I was out a-walking in the bush one day last week, I spied a banksia with an unfamiliar jizz. Even on closer inspection I was bamboozled for half a minute until the pieces fell together and I realised I was looking at a ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' with persistent florets. Not just a bit late to fall: there were old cones from previous seasons with the florets still bolted on. In fact, there wasn't a single bald cone on the whole tree. I've never seen anything like it. Have you? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:Replied at the article talk page. p.s. I like your Fez up there :) -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small><sup>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold">''Wiki me up''® </font>]]</sup></small> 04:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


:Hmm..interesting. I have not ever noticed a menziesii like this, but not to say it can't happen. Might it be a ''menziesii/prionotes'' hybrid – how far is the tree from you? I'd compare the newgrowth/leaf dimensions/trunk all for comparison. Did it have any new flowers? Some of these old cones have an aura of prionotes about them...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
== Re: Beetles, fungi and macro lenses ==


::''prionotes'' crossed my mind at first, but the bark is that of ''menziesii'', and nothing like the distinctive ''prionotes'' bark. And the flower spikes lack the woolliness of old ''prionotes'' florets.<p>It's quite near my place; about ten minutes drive. Even closer to where Alex lives (assuming he still lives at the address he has been publishing under lately): only five minutes drive from there I would guess. If it's ''prionotes'' (which it isn't), then we've extended the known range of that species 10km south. Likewise, a hybrid means there's a ''prionotes'' population nearby, so it amounts to the same thing. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 05:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Casliber. I saw the message you sent to fir0002. I doubt he'd be able to take any pictures of fungi since he is stuck in Melbourne due to university. I went for a walk through a cool temperate rainforest area of [[Wielangta forest]] today. I took a large number of pretty good quality fungus pictures. I need help with identifying them however, and have posted the images at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fungi#18_IDs_from_Wielangta_Forest.2C_Tasmania]]. I'd appreciate your help since you seem to be fairly knowledgeable in the area.


== ''[[Banksiamyces]]'' again ==
You also had some gear questions. Since you want to shoot insects too, I'd get a fairly long macro lens such as the tamron 180mm or the sigma 150mm. More critical than your choice of lens is your lighting. You want a 430ex or a 580ex (extremely useful for everything). For insects add a softbox, macro flash bracket and an E-TTL cord. The softbox and macro bracket can be easily home-made. For anything stationary ditch the bracket/softbox and use a $30 ebay shoot through umbrella and swivel, and some ~$30 ebay radio triggers. You will need a light stand or an assistant. For the stationary stuff I'd also consider a decent tripod, allowing you to balance ambient and flash light. The longest exposure in the fungi I've uploaded was four seconds, impossible without a tripod. Compare [[:File:Wielangta Unidentified Fungus 5194.jpg]] (fill flash) with http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/579/img5192u.jpg, which is only ambient. [[User:Noodle snacks|Noodle snacks]] ([[User talk:Noodle snacks|talk]]) 11:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


I finally made it to the library and got a hold of [http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B985G-4VMR754-C&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F1982&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1178445022&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=173cc2ad92cc59ca486ffdeefc950c64 the article] you had asked about a couple of weeks ago. There's enough info there to make DYK-worthy stubs on the genus, and three of the species (''macrocarpus'', ''katerinae'', ''toomanis''), or, alternatively, maybe enough for a GA on the genus. What are the chances of images? Apparently these fungi make small but visible apothecia on the seed capsules. Berkeley and Broome first wrote about the fungus in 1887, so maybe there's a sketch from the protologue that's useable. Anyway, I'll start adding text in a day or two and maybe we can have the first Banksia/Fungi wikiproject collaboration? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 14:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
*[[User_talk:Fir0002/Archive_7#Sigma_150mm_f.2F2.8|bookmarking]] so I don't lose it. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]])
:::Berkeley & Broome (1887) is online at http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13683 — see page 217. There is a picture at Plate 29 figure 18. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 02:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::::That's a nice image on plate 29 there. They call it ''Tympanis toomanis'' on page 224 decription of plate. How do we capture that image and replicate it on commons? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::[[:File:Transactions of the Linnean Society of London series 2 botany volume 2 plate 29.png|Like this]]. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


::::On page 222, they talk about finding it on a banksia cone near the [[Tooma River]] in southern NSW, which leaves me thinking it is a cone of ''Banksia marginata'' although they do not state this (OR alert ++++). Funny looking marginata cone but marginata is a hugely variable species....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
== [[Alexithymia]] ==
:::::Check your email; I've sent you a copy of Beaton (1982), where they ''do'' state that the cone is ''B.&nbsp;marginata''. (You guys should have asked me first; I could have saved Sasata a walk to the library.) [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering where you stand professionally on the concept? Some are believers, others aren't ... I did a lot of work on that article before a certain ArbCom. It's still a pretty clean article. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 14:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
: Also, would you peek at my query at [[User talk:Awadewit#Dissertation as a source]]? Thanks, [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 19:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


::::@Sasata – I'll leave it up to you whether a solid GA and one DYK for the whole shebang, or 4 species articles – you've got the material and I am happy either way. cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
==''Banksia'' and climate change==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Banksia_telmatiaea&diff=285550115&oldid=283719165 This] is an interesting paper: "Between 5% and 25% of [Banksia] species were projected to suffer range losses of 100% by 2080." I can send you a PDF if you're interested. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


:::::Am working on the article behind-the-scenes now... that picture you uploaded is excellent, and thanks Hesp for finding the protologue. Too bad the scan resolution is so crappy; I can upload a screen capture/crop to Commons, but will first investigate to see if there's a copy of the original around here so I might rescan at higher resolution. Four DYKs and 1 GA doesn't sound unreasonable for the lot, but I'll see what I can come up with. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 03:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yikes! Yes please. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::The resolution is good. I guess you were looking at it at 25%. Try zooming in. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it'll do the trick. I gave the article a good push towards GA. Hesp, do you have easy access to Beaton 1984, or maybe Fuhrer, B,; May, T. (1993). "Host specificity of disc-fungi in the genus ''Banksiamyces'' on ''Banksia''." ''Victorian Naturalist (South Yarra)'' '''110''' (2):73–75? I think once those two are located and added, that'll be it from journals (but you may find stuff to add from your Banksia books?). I could start stubs for the species, but it would be a shame to have to leave out ''B.&nbsp;maccannii''. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 07:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I can probably get Vic Naturalist at UNSW Library next tuesday or friday (slim chance on weekend). [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::When you get to ''Victorian Naturalist'', you'll also want to grab {{cite journal | author = Sommerville, K.; May, T. | year = 2006 | title = Some taxonomic and ecological observations on ''Banksiamyces'' | journal = The Victorian Naturalist | volume = 123 | pages = 366–375}} [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 08:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks for finding that, wonder why it didn't show up in my database search. Cas, if it's too mush hassle for you to get these, let me know and I can order them, would take 1–2 weeks to get here.
::::::::I'll have easy access to Beaton (1984) on Monday. No access to ''Victorian Naturalist''. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 08:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Sorry, forgot again. I've just scanned it now. Cas: I'll forward shortly; if you have Sasata's email address, can you forward it on please? Otherwise, Sasata: send me an email so I know where to send this scan. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't see any email link on your user page... I can wait until Cas forward a copy. Thanks kindly [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I guess you've never noticed the "Email this user" link in the sidebar toolbox.... [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::! Wouldya look at that... That's embarrassing! Now excuse me while I go give eyewitness testimony in a murder trial. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 23:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hang on a sec, will send. Also, will be near the library again for Vic Naturalist. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


:Hahaha. Fantastic. I just realised I never uplaoded a funny photo I took in WA a few years ago. I need to double check. [[File:Banksia violacea 14 orig.JPG|thumb|This old cone of ''[[Banksia violacea]]'' had these dark objects on it which might be a fungus as they certainly weren't on any other cones I saw about the place.]] [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::Done. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 00:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


As OZtrylia has a notoriously under described rang of and field of mycology study – any signs of further fungi or algae work is to be encouraged at all points [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


== [[Mother Temple of Besakih]] ==


Taking pity on poor Cas, whose ''Banksia'' books are still packed up in boxes:
[[File:Pura Besakih Sunrise 01.jpg|thumb|The early morning sun hits the spires of Pura Besakih]]


From Collins, Collins and George (2008), page 47, first paragraph of a section entitled "Fungi and lichens":
DYK that the most important Hindu Temple in Bali has a single sentence of coverage? <sup class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mother_Temple_of_Besakih&oldid=282097787 oldid]</sup> :( [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 16:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


"Many kinds of fungi are associated with Banksias. There is even a genus of fungi named for their association with these plants—''Banksiamyces''. The first species of these was recognised in the 1880s and placed in the genus ''Tympanis'', then in the 1950s transferred to the genus ''Encoelia''. Further collections and research led to the description of the genus ''Banksiamyces'' by Beaton and Weste in 1982, with two further species. Six taxa are now recognised, so far known from 13 species of ''Banksia'' (Sommerville & May, 2006). Commonly known as banksia discs, they have all been found on eastern Australian Banksias and one is also known in Western Australia. They are discomycete fungi, growing on the fruit and appearing as small, shallow dark cups on the follicles (Fuhrer, 2005). When dry they fold inwards and look like narrow slits. Their effect is unk[n]own but it seems unlikely that they are responsible for degradation of the seeds."
: I get 5 days, right? Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
<blockquote><poem>
Karena ini, Anda harus menulis itu.
Saya akan pergi ke [[Kupang]] 25 Juli.
Mungkin Anda ikut?
Ta'at cuma kalo ada yang liat. ;)
Tapi di Wiki selalu ada yang liat. :(
</poem>
[[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 10:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</blockquote>


At the bottom of the page there is a photo of ''Banksiamyces'' on ''B.&nbsp;lemanniana''. They look like little light grey maggots on the follicles. Based on the photo and textual description, I would suggest that the ''B.&nbsp;violacea'' photo doesn't show this genus. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh crud, sorry Jack - Alastair's poem was very timely. Yes, 5 days it is. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hmmm, that's what I initially thought when I read the description and sketches in Beaton 1982, but after seeing B&B's 1872 sketches, I was pretty sure Cas's pic was a ''Banksiamyces''. I guess I should reserve judgment until I get more info. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 17:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::: I have da book with a section on this; I don't have it with me at the moment. Thanks for the tweaks. I tweaked some of the images on Common. People should learn to hold their cameras level. The Pura Besakih particle really should be of the scale of [[Borobudur]]. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::From the abstract of Somerville and May 2006: "Apothecia of these crops are of different macroscopic appearance, with lighter apothecia being mostly immature, and darker apothecia producing spores." ... so who knows? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 17:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::: ma'af lads, I'll be watching for black bamboo while I'm in Timor ;) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 10:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Anything else to add to this article? Shall we put it up for GAN? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 17:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Hi Alastair, welcome back. Please note that my bahasa Indonesia is the pits; and that's four years along. It does take being tough to be here ;) Let me know if I can help. Been there, done that. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah put it up, there might be some bits and pieces. I'll take a look. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Any ''Banksia'' experts you're chums with that might be able to give a confirmation on your putative ''Banksiamyces'' photo? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 05:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::damn, I meant to contact Tom May about it (who has been helpful before). Will dig up his email and see what he says. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


== [[Abraham Halpern]] ==
[[File:Pura Ulun Danu Bratan-Bali.jpeg|thumb|[[Pura Ulun Danu Bratan]] — opps; wrong temple; there are thousands. This is still an important one; See also [[Tanah Lot]]]]


You may want to have a look there as well. Appears to have been improved by a Szasz fan. I've read diagonally [http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-myth-of-thomas-szasz this article], but even that doesn't seem to support the light in which the Halpern-Szasz issue is presented in Wikipedia. [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 13:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
; See also


:Just go back from a weekend break with no innernet..now where was I.....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
* [[Pura Ulun Danu Batur]] — the second most important temple on Bali. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 12:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


== Aboriginal Astronomy ==
:Ahaaa. ok, that redlink will turn blue sometime soon....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Casliber – thanks for your note. Yes there's quite a bit more out there which Duane Hamacher and I are slowly trying to get written up. You can find some more stuff on www.emudreaming.com and you may find some papers you havent come across on http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/papers.htm
:: I was thinking that. There are some pics at [[:Commons:Category:Pura Ulun Danu Batur]] and I have some, somewhere. It's quite picturesque and is shown prominently on things like Lonely Planet covers. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 14:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


Have fun! [[User:RayNorris|RayNorris]] ([[User talk:RayNorris|talk]]) 03:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
; See also also


:Great! I'll have a look and if I find anything specific to nag you on...I will :) cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
* [[Bedugul Botanical Gardens]] ([[:Commons:Category:Kebun Raya Eka Karya]]). Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]]


== Orange-bellied Parrot ==
==[[Alpha Centauri]]==


[[User:Neophema99|Neophema99]] ([[User talk:Neophema99|talk]]) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC) Hi. I would like to open for discussion the format of the entry for 'Orange-bellied Parrot'. As news occurs in the recovery program for this species, the limitations of the current format of the Wikipedia entry become more obvious.
I have unfortunately had to revert much of the changes you have made to the Alpha Centauri page - mainly to the structure revisions that you have done. While I agree it is best to standardise between bright star pages (i.e. Sirius), there is significant problems doing so to the Alpha Centauri page. The problem in previous edits is the confusion with Alpha Centauri the star and Alpha Centauri as a system. There was much about alpha centauri, especially its brightness compared to Arcturus as well as the relationship with Proxima Centauri. (See the Discussion with the associated page to this article.)
The heading, 'Conservation Status' should, I believe, be reserved for the actual conservation status in Australia, and in the three states, SA, Tasmania and Victoria. What follows after that, but still under that heading, at present, is a running commentary of events since about 2010.
It was thought best to avoid complexity by giving the basic information, and add complexity in sections so information could be understood at various levels of knowledge. Also as there is much interest in Alpha Centauri from children to amateur astronomers, it was best to give the introduction as brief as possible and explain the complexities as we go.
This is not acceptable.
As to modifications of articles as drastically as you have done to complex article, it might be better to do so with some discussion in the discussion section before doing so. Although I note that you have much experience in doing wiki edits, much better than me, it is better to make small changes in complex articles paragraph by paragraph than carte blanche changes. (I am very happy to discuss any issues on the article with you in the alpha centauri discussion to improve the article.)
I propose another heading be inserted, 'Recovery Program' or similar. In it, a short history of the OBP recovery program could be given – since 1980 or so – and then, new events could be smoothly inserted as they happen.
What do others think? The Wikipedia entry is an important first port of call for many people interested in this bird. We owe it to them, and to history, to provide a better entry.


[[User:Neophema99|Neophema99]] ([[User talk:Neophema99|talk]]) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
As to the introduction, much of the additions you have made are actually speculative, and are not necessary on fact. I.e. "This makes it a logical choice as "first port of call" in speculative fiction about interstellar travel, which assumes eventual human exploration, and even the discovery and colonization of imagined planetary systems. These themes are common to many video games and works of science fiction."
has little to do with the basic facts on alpha centauri. I.e. Nearest star, third brightest star, binary star, etc.
As for "Kinematics" as a title, this is irrelevant (Sirius article also has it wrong). (Also see Discussion page for Alpha Centauri with SpacePotato)
Note: I have contributed much to this page - 713 edits according to the statistics. (27th April 2008 to today)
[[User talk:Arianewiki1|Arianewiki1]] 18:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


:O-kay...taken it to the talk page.[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
: Agreed. <s>Will take a look.</s> sounds good helps with seamless updating and no doubt there is a lot of info that could be added. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


== got any advice for writing a constellation FA? ==
== Judea and Samaria ==


Thinking of diversifying and trying Corona B. [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 16:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Casliber, if you have time, would you mind commenting [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(West_Bank)#Infoboxes here]? <font color="green">[[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|talk|]]</font><font color="pink">[[Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin|contribs]]</font></sup></small> 19:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's easier than stars as there is less hardcore physics involved, but trickier as you have to make the material not "listy", which it sort of is by very nature. Smaller constellations are easier as there is less material to list generally. Star guide books, alot of which are on google, are good for general overview, how to find things, what's next to what etc. but alot of their factual info (distance/luminosity) is outdated. I have even suspected this in newer reprints/editions where new material is coming out. SIMBAD is a godsend and makes finding other material easy. I was using it as a ref itself but probably better to use the refs it cites. Overall I find astronomy articles more challenging than biology ones – trickeir to make engaging. We can collaborate on CrB if you like as I did plan on taking it All the Way at some point and then having it as a double mainpage with CrA. Collaborating is good as it makes for less work in some ways – each of us can copyeidt the other etc. 20:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
::Just popping in during some of the rare free time I have at the moment to say that the hardest part of the constellation articles is figuring out exactly what objects to write about, since there is generally quite a bit of discretion in whether or not something should be in the article. I generally try to write about all stars brighter than magnitude 5.0, and the most-studied astronomical objects within the constellation, as well as a few other things such as extremes (e.g. R136a1) and unusual objects. One tip to find notable stars, I've found, is [http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=*%20CrB&NbIdent=wild&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit%20id this SIMBAD query], which lists all Bayer, Flamsteed, and variable stars in each constellation by number of refs. Of course further research is necessary for other stars without said designations, but it's a good start. I would help, but I don't anticipate having much free time at all until at least December. [[User:StringTheory11|StringTheory11]] ([[User talk:StringTheory11|t]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/StringTheory11|c]]) 21:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:::{{u|StringTheory11}} Wow! Great idea/find! That really helps. Agree with what you've said. I think it is good to get these in order as it also highlights what other articles are underdone or incorrect etc. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Yup the small size was part of the reason I chose CrB (it's not the only reason though :-P). I'm cool with a collaboration. ST11's suggestions, as always, make a lot of sense. Going to read through some constellation FAs to get an idea of what to write – not least CrA... [[User:Double sharp|Double sharp]] ([[User talk:Double sharp|talk]]) 02:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Double sharp}}, I have started buffing with this one. Just arting with the brighter stars – SIMBAD is best place to start and then chasing refs. Not sure how much you know about them (figuring distance from parallax etc...) so just ask away..or start on deep sky objects and I'll continue with stars (??) [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


== Carcinoma in situ ==
==Bract pattern==
[[File:Banksia menziesii cone.jpg|right|frameless]]
You know what I don't get? On page 245 of George (1981), and again on page 40 of Collins (2007), George gives a diagram showing the arrangement of unit inflorescences on a ''Banksia'' flower spike. Both diagrams clearly show a hexagonal layout; i.e. every common bract is surrounded by six equidistant common bracts, thus forming little hexagons. In support of this, George (1981) states "The unit inflorescences are so arranged on the axis that there are three pattern lines—vertical, and both dextral and sinistral spiral."


The [[carcinoma in situ]] page has been updated and it explains the different views that sometimes carcinoma in situ is seen as a cancer and sometimes it is not. You will probably remember earlier this year that you supported changing my use of the term "invasive cancer" to "cancer". The expression "invasive cancer" is used frequently in books particularly when talking about cancer of the cervix and in my opinion using the term "invasive cancer" can improve clarity. What do you think of the explanations in the carcinoma in situ article? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I haven't dissected an inflorescence, but in some species the pattern persists right through flowering and can be seen on the infructescence. You won't get a better example than this ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' cone. Look at that pattern. There's no way you could call it hexagonal. It is a rectangular (or rather diamond, since the lines are diagonal) grid. Depending on how you define a neighbourhood, you could argue that each common bract has 4 or 8 neighbours, but there's no way you could argue for 6. Similarly, you could argue for two pattern lines (dextral and sinistral spiral) or four (dextral, sinistral, vertical and horizontal), but there is no way you could argue for 3, because there is no reason to include vertical whilst excluding horizontal). On top of that there is a beautiful symmetry in the way each common bract is surrounded by its own floral bracts and those of its neighbours. But George's diagrams destroy that symmetry.
:As it reads [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Carcinoma_in_situ&oldid=632456372 right now], which ones are you thinking should have invasive added to them? [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
::Whoops, I have phrased it badly above, but you seem to have understood me. I should have said that you did not support my use of "invasive cancer" and you preferred the use of "cancer" instead. Actually, to me, it is not as simple as just inserting the word "invasive". Back then, I saw a better phrase in a reference and I thought about using it, because I thought that it would be accurate, readable, and I hoped keep everyone happy; however, the situation become unnecessarily tense and I felt like I was walking on eggs (and you know what that means). I did not get around to developing the article any further nor mentioning the "magical" phrase. I will see if I can find the phrase again. I recall that the solution was to use a short phrase in the place of cancer or invasive cancer in the introduction. I am talking in riddles at the present time, because I want to make sure that I can find that phrase again, and that will mean thinking about the introduction again. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 20:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, let me know what you are thinking of once you get it clear. It is an intriguing question. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I would recommend the amendment belew, because the demarcation between non-cancer and cancer varies according to the literature, as we have seen, and this is made more difficult by a simplified language and vocabulary used to communicate the complex situation to patients. A definition of cancer that includes in-situ cancer is well established, but perhaps the world of the cytologist or histopathologist is a small world, where to say "invasive cancer" is not unusual. This is the current line in the introduction; ''"Cervical cytology tests can often detect precursors of cervical cancer and enable early successful treatment."''. I think that it would be more accurate if it said something like; ''"The main aim of cervical cytology screening is to detect precursors of cancer and early cervical cancer to enable early successful treatment."''. In this new line a full spectrum from viral changes to dysplasia to carcinoma-in-situ to early invasive cancer is included, so the controversy over where to put the non-cancer/cancer line disappears, and the meaning is clear no matter where the reader puts the line in his or her own mind-map. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I reworded it like [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cervix&diff=632689320&oldid=632516596 this] to make it flow better yet be inclusive and cover all interpretations. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::After some deep thought, I think that your edit is good enough. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 14:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


*What do you think about making a joint nomination with me to take the cervix article to FA review sometime? I would not be planning to edit much of the "History" and "Other animals" sections, because I do not know much about those topics. I am not usually on the nominator's side of the fence, but I would be willing to step into that role here, partly to test the water. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I thought maybe ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' was an exception to a general rule, but you can see the same diamond grid, though not as clearly, in [[:File:Banksia serrata4.jpg]], and I reckon (but am not certain) I can see it in my ''B.&nbsp;attenuata'' cone. And in [[:File:Banksia prionotes mature cone.jpg]] too. What the heck is going on?
:I think it is a good idea – the prerequisites for being a nominator are being reasonably familar with the article and having the ability to address issues raised at FAC. Do you see anything else that needs fixing before listing it at FAC? 02:15, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::Oh good. I would like to have a long look at the article before FA nomination, and I expect that I will not feel happy with the article as a potential FA nomination for several weeks. There is some content and page organization in the article (as it is now) that I would like to reflect on. The peer review is also worth re-visiting to see what was not achieved there. I will probably attempt to start a few discussions on the article talk page where relevant. Do you have any time frame in mind or any particular schedule of your own to work around? Of course, I would ask you to constructively criticize my work whenever you think that anything can be improved, and I will try to focus on the issue and answer honestly and objectively trying not to be fractious nor stubborn, with a view to learning from my errors. It think that it will work better like that, than keeping quite or not speaking up when you do not agree with your co-nominator. I am saying that because I guessed that you have not felt easy about not supporting your co-nominator in FA reviews previously. Also, as before, please be alert to my writing style, which can sometimes need re-phrasing owing to clumsy grammar, although the content is often unambiguous (to me at least). Apart from that, it could be challenging writing for general readers and even more challenging writing for specialist readers that are unfamiliar with the small world of histopathology. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 12:08, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
:::{{u|Snowmanradio}} I have no time scale on this so it sorta takes as long as it takes. The refs need fixing for page numbers. The material is pretty good – only thing from PR left is double checking lymphatic drainage really I thought. Anyway. Posting things step by step on talk page is good. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
*I would have though that the "Function" heading would be about normal function. Surly, putting a barrier in front of the cx is not a normal function of the cervix. Also, oc pills are more about pharmacology and modified functioning of the cervix. Should the "Contraception" heading have its own level-2 heading? This has been discussed before, but it is worth starting another discussion on the talk page about this? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::I think that the human altering of function is fine there. I think it is fine as a level 3 heading underneath ''function'' [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::: When medicines affect function, it is called pharmacology. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
*In the introduction; "... the cervix is usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in shape". Change to: ?
::1. "... the cervix is cylindrically shaped usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in cross section".
::2. "... the cervix is usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in in cross section" [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 17:30, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


I think the first one or something like it – will take a look now. I wonder if the fact it is roughly cylindrical makes saying it's round in cross-section redundant. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:22, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
(I'm not just being a pretentious wanker here. I thought the diagram was interesting and informative enough for me to whip up an SVG version for Wikipedia. But since copying George's diagram isn't really on, and it is much better to go straight from nature if possible, I was basing my version on this ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' cone. But it isn't going to work if the diagram shows a rectangular grid and the text has to say it is hexagonal.)
:::Your amendment looks find to me. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 11:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
*Should there be more consistency in using <nowiki>{{main|</nowiki> under more of the headings where there is an obvious main article else where? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 11:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
::{{u|Snowmanradio}} Yes that sounds like a good idea. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 18:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
:::OK, I expect that I will add some when I do some editing there. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 20:47, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
*Re [[Vaginal portion of cervix]]. Have you got any ideas on what to do with this article on the portio (or ectocervix)? I do not know why WP Anatomy has so many articles on sub-parts. If relevant, I expect that a formal discussion would be needed to consider a merge. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 20:47, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
::I think it should be merged. Will post something. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:42, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I plan to watch for a while and express an opinion, if needed. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
::::It is off to a good start over there. I think that there is nothing on the unreferenced portio page that can be copied over to the cervix page. We could start planing how to present the portio (and its various names) on the cervix page. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
* In have found what to me looks like a 2003 copyrighted version of [[:File:Cervix dilation sequence.svg]], so I have started a deletion discussion on Commons. Commons administrators will now have a look at it. Initially, I left an message with the uploader on Commons to ask a technical question about the image, and I noticed that he is currently blocked for three months, so I did a search for other copies of the cervix dilation image. The image should show the babies head moving down the birth canal as the cervix dilates, but the head looks stuck. The image is on about a dozen or more Wikis, so they might all be removed by a bot in due course. I am not sure if the image needs removing from the Cervix page at this juncture or not, so I wonder what you think about removal from the en Wiki. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 09:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
::Oh dear – I suspect it will have to be removed, though maybe hold for a moment and see if an explanation is forthcoming. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I recently found a photograph of a rare parrot with the wrong copyright and it was deleted from Commons one week after I started the deletion discussion. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 14:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
::::That sounds in keeping with deletion discussions elsehwere – around 1 week. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:17, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Update: Image was deleted this yesterday. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:10, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
*The [[Cervical cancer]] article has had a lot of work on it since about June, and it is well worth looking at. I expect that we could shorten (or otherwise amend) the section on cervical cancer in the "cervix" article, because the "cervical cancer" article offers a good readable account. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 12:40, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Snowmanradio}} I will take a look. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*Re [[HPV vaccines]]. Sometimes, I like to tidy up the linked pages. This article was moved from the singular to the pleural in March 2014. I am aware that there is more than one HPV vaccine, but I would expect this to be on the singular name, unless there something controversial about it that I have missed. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 12:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Snowmanradio}} yes that is unusual and I think I prefer it at singular. I think it is worth discussing on the talk page. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*The "Anatomical abnormalities" section looks like a mixture of acquired and congenital diseases. Could this be organized differently? I nearly did a reorganization, but a little re-organization does not change much, and I suspect that it would be easier to do a bit of a re-write. Also, it may be possible to expand the section with a little about the developmental abnormalities of the female genital tract seen in Cryptophthalmos syndrome, Johanson-Blizzard syndrome, Rokitansky Anomalod, and as less commonly seen in Roberts syndrome and Trisomy 18 syndrome. These diseases are not at the front of my mind, however these are in the index of my rather old second-hand book on human malformation. This is not a small change, so I welcome your opinion. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Snowmanradio}} let me take a look. I don't recall it right now and I thought I was happy with it before but will look. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I have become unexpectedly busy in real life, so I have not had much time for editing the Wiki. I hope that I will be able to contribute with more editing and work on the cervix article again after about two or three months . [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 10:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Snowmanradio}} no worries. I found that I have lost interest in it. My free time (of which I have little) has to be enjoyable and thus something I have real enthusiasm for. I found I did get a bit enthusiastic about this one but comes and goes. More interested in [[frigatebird]] and [[brachychiton rupestris]] now. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Also [[orange-bellied parrot]] – very interesting story. I find writing about extinct species makes me sad (I leave them to {{u|FunkMonk}}) but rare ones are ok. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::Apart from manual editing, I was hoping to write a few scripts for fun to do scanning and mass editing tasks on the Wiki this Autumn and Winter, but can not participate in a meaningful way at the present time. I plan to return when I can and I will look to see what you and User FunkMonk are doing then. Incidentally, have you any thoughts on why discussions about anatomy topics tend to be rather brittle? I might ask that question on the WP Anatomy talk page. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 10:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::What do you mean by 'brittle'? [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I will ask open-ended questions instead. Do you have any observations about discussions on anatomy topics? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 12:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


== Running a contest (talk page watchers welcome) ==
:Thanks for reminding me on this one - I think it was Alex (or Kevin??) who told me that every bract pattern was unique to a species and hence diagnostic, but as far as I know not much if anything has been published on this area. The similarity between ''archaeocarpa'' and ''attenuata'' was noted (the bract pattern remaining in the fossils). I seem to recall feeling bamboozled as well by the description when I read it some time ago. I will have to refresh myself with some bedtime reading....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


:'''Update''': I had a look at the pages in question in the banksia book(s), there is a little bit more in the 1981 monograph but not much. I meant to ring Alex George about this and should do so in the next few days...I guess the photos look sort of like hexagons stretched vertically :P [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Right folks...I can't decide which (long overdue) contest to run again. Putting this out there to see what folks reckon the 'pedia most needs or would be most fun (as without enthusiasm, it won't work). For folks unfamiliar, I try to get a wikigrant so several folks have a chance of winning a $25 (''or more'') Amazon voucher. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


====[[Wikipedia:The Core Contest|Core contest]]====
==Question==
# [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:08, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
[[File:Banksia menziesii inflorescence top closeup.jpg|thumb|If this is what developing flower pairs look like...]]
# [[User:Caeciliusinhorto-public|Caeciliusinhorto-public]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public|talk]]) 10:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
[[File:Banksia menziesii developing inflorescence.jpg|thumb|then what are these brown and white furry things?]]
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I note that the last six images to be posted on your talk page were posted by me. I'm not sure whether to apologise....
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# [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 09:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC) (just as a side-note I wouldn't take any voucher but would chuck it back into the pot)
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What is going on in the lower image? Clearly this is an inflorescence in very early bud, but those furry white things are apparently not developing flower pairs. Are they some kind of protective bract or something?
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:You certainly see those thingies on the developing buds of alot of banksias. I'd be intrigued what the Nikulinsky book, which is essentially a series of plates of a developing ''menziesii'' inflorescence, says (not sure, I don't recall whether it had commentary...). Another thing to look up. Was about to look up the patterns just now. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Look at [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34963015 this] [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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:Now I have looked at the books and bract architecture, question is are they common bracts or are they something which falls off (don't think so but..). Something else to ask Alex. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


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::Having found nothing in George, I've been reading Douglas's stuff on ontogeny of Proteaceae flowers, and found nothing there either.<p>If you snap a spike axis in half, they are just that brown colour, and essentially made of closely packed fuzz. I wonder if there is initially no gap in the axis for the flower to grow, so the developing flower literally has to shove some of the axis out in front of it as it extends. This would explain everything except for the white tip. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 10:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)




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I have today taken a long lunch and gone bushwalking with Gnangarra. While he took happy-snaps, I did some OR on this question. My diagnosis is: these are peduncles that have developed common bracts, but have not yet developed floral bracts or flowers.
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In very young spikes like the one pictured here, they are not yet very densely packed together, so they can be perceived as individual peduncles. Given time, they will continue to grow, and as they do so they will become more and more densely packed together, until eventually they are jammed together so tightly that their dense coverings of hairs form the fibrous brown material that comprises a typical flower spike, and the common bracts at their apex will form the bract pattern on the surface of the spike. At that point, they will no longer be distinguishable as individual peduncles, but will simply be part of the spike.


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When the flowers start to develop, they get squeezed together even more. At this point, sometimes, a peduncle may break off the axis and be squeezed right out of the spike as the flowers around it develop. Thus you may see one or two of these furry things sitting at random positions on the surface of a developed flower spike.
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As evidence for this hypothesis I offer the following observations:
#Wherever one of those "furry things" is found loose on the surface of a spike, you will also find a gap in the bract pattern beneath it, where the common bract is absent;
#"Furry things" may occasionally be found partly out of the spike, but partly in, in which cases the white tip is quite obviously the common bract. In such cases removal of the "furry thing" leaves behind a visible hole in the spike where a common bract ought to be.


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::Interesting - Gah! Forgot to ring Alex - evening is a crazy time with little availability for me, but will see what I can do. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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Not OR any more. Look at the picture of "Banksia flower bud seen in profile" [http://www.archive.org/stream/ageneralsystemb00maougoog#page/n685/mode/1up here]: clear evidence of the common and floral bracts forming one of those little furry upside-down pyramids, with the flower arising from it. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


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Hi- I'm assuming that you have a hand in the [[User:Durova|Durova]]'s [[User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle|Triple crown]], based on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Durova/Triple_crown_winner%27s_circle/Nominations&action=history edit history of the page]. Anyhow, I was wondering if you also had a hand in the special edition crowns because Durova looks to have her hands full with numerous other things.
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Here are discussions ([[User talk:Durova/Archive 71#Special edition triple crowns|one]] and [[User talk:Durova#Video game special edition triple crown|two]]) about a special editiion triple crown for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games|WikiProject Video games]]. If this is something you don't handle or are too busy to handle, I more than understand. Thank you for your time. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 17:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC))


Hi Cas: I'm wondering if I can get you to cast your seasoned eye over [[lichen growth forms]]. I'm going to try for FA, and wonder if you – as someone not particularly interested in lichens – find any of it hard to understand or lacking in information. Any comments much appreciated! [[User:MeegsC|MeegsC]] ([[User talk:MeegsC|talk]]) 19:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:Sounds fun. I should have some time free in a few hours. I ducked on now to make a statement quickly. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Happy to/A pleasure. But busy so ping me if you haven't seen me there in 3 days or so. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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:The tricky issue is finding free images or navigating fair use policy - eg screenshots etc. I am not great on policy and will ask someone more clued in. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for taking the time to do this. In regard to images, this free [[:File:Gamepad.svg|game controller image]] is frequently used for the Video games project. There are more [[:commons:Category:Video game hardware icons|video game-related icons on Commons]] as well as a [[:commons:Category:Video games|category for video games]] in general. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 14:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC))
:::Nearly my bedtime here, but tomorrow I'll take a look. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


:::''Update'': Just browsing through old posts. I have an idea for this one now, just need some time...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::That's cool. Thanks for the update.
::::And in addition to the editors listed [[User talk:Durova#Video game special edition triple crown|here]], [[User:PresN|PresN]] recently become a triple crown winner. His articles (DYK: [[Music of the Katamari Damacy series]], GA: [[Music of the Final Fantasy series]], and FC: [[List of Final Fantasy compilation albums]]) are music articles related to video game series. Please include him along with the others. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 16:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC))


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:Interesting - makes for some dry reading. Hadn't realised it was 10 populations out of 27 which have become extinct since 1996.. :( [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::I should have read it before posting here, in which case I wouldn't have bothered posting here at all: it is as boring as bat shit. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


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After some searching in the history, I found that last March you made [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Palace_of_Westminster&action=historysubmit&diff=278621074&oldid=277309948 this edit], and I am wondering whether you still have access to the book ''King William IV''. I'd be grateful if you could give me more details on the King's offer of Buckingham Palace to Parliament and what happened with it. Apart from satisfying my own curiosity, I'd like to give the full picture in the article; someone has already filled in the blanks, but I have no way of verifying the accuracy of the additions. And even though there isn't room to elaborate too much in this article, I'm planning a separate article for the building's history. (A very-long-term project, obviously, considering how much the main article is taking me to improve. It's a learning experience on many levels.) [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 06:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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:sigh. I was formatting information that Giano had given to me. I suspect he has the book. sorry :/


Hi Cas. Edits and comments on the blurb are welcome. I'm thinking of running this at [[WP:TFA|TFA]] on January 11; does that work for you? It hasn't changed much since your edits in 2019, and Jim has recently looked at it, so I think we're in good shape. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 18:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:PS: sounds like a good article to work on :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


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:: That was unexpected... But I suppose it makes sense. I'll try my luck at the latest reincarnation of his talk page.
:: The subject fascinates me and I believe it has potential, but I do not have previous experience in writing content or finding sources (indeed, I did not expect that I'd want to until a year ago), so I'm taking my time. My plans are fairly grandiose, though (articles for several important rooms, White House-style), and I expect them to accelerate once I receive a further couple of books I have ordered. In the end, my biggest problem may be that I'll have to start reviewing at FAC. :-P [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 19:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::*I don't think I have ever read Ziegler, Phillip (1971). King William IV, so I don't think I could have used that reference. However, I have seen it written many times - most notably on P15 of Harris, de Bellague and Millar's Buckingham Palace. ''"William IV disliked gilding and indeed show of any kind, and he made a bold attempt to get rid of Buckingham House altogether and give it to the nation in lieu of the Houses of Parliament, which were burned down in 1834. Wiliam IV write to the Speaker "I mean Buckingham House as a permanent gift. Mind that!""'' I suggest you get hold of a copy of the Harris, de Bellague and Millar book as it is the definitive comprehensive history and catlogue of the palace, the cataloge being necessary for a comprehensive room description. - all other books on the subject pale beside it. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Giano&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 09:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


This article is just crying out for your expertise. Enjoy! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Well, I'm baffled. Maybe I just pinched the ref from the monarch's page himself. Anyway, I think these are fine pages to work up and will be happy to help when the time comes :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Oh dear...[[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::well it doesn't matter because it is true, and it's probably in the Ziegler book also. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Giano&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 13:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::I assume you're on your way to the library: good! Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 13:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::There's no more details, other than the suggestion that the offer was made because of the burning down of the Palace of Westminster, (wonder if it was a temporary/emergency offer?) but here's an on-line credible source at least. [http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalResidences/BuckinghamPalace/History.aspx]. [[Hansard]]? --[[User:Joopercoopers|Joopercoopers]] ([[User talk:Joopercoopers|talk]]) 15:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::No. it was not temporary, the King was quite definite ''"I mean Buckingham House as a permanent gift. Mind that!"'' The "mind that!" rather suggests he wanted rid of the place and no intention of having it back. I love your ref JC "''A serious problem for the newly married couple was the absence of any nurseries and too few bedrooms for visitors. The only solution was to move the Marble Arch''" The only solution? I suppose it never occurred to them to have less children or invite fewer visitors. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Giano&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 15:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


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:::: I'm baffled too, but for a different reason. I thought it was abundantly clear due to the diff I gave, but I now realise I've been misleading you all along. I am researching the Palace of Westminster, not Buckingham, the article on which is already featured. Not that FAs cannot be improved further, but there is certainly more to do in what I believe they call "an Emsworth classic" seriously lacking in sourcing and breadth of coverage up until a year ago. (A colleague and I did some tidying up and referencing last spring, but that I thought this would be enough to reclaim the bronze star shows just how naïve I was at the time.) In any case, many of my interests intersect on this building, and, as it happens, its article was the first that I edited after opening this account three years ago.
:::: So, any tips on bibliography for the new target? From the list [[Palace of Westminster#References|here]] I possess (and have added) Field, Gerhold, McDonald and Wilson, and I am expecting Riding & Riding to arrive in a week. The 1911 ''Guide'' is an online find of mine, and I really hope it can pass as reliable; I'm not sure how much the "by permission of the Lord Great Chamberlain" is worth at FAC, but I haven't found anything suspicious in the descriptions, and even if Riding turns out to be good enough to replace all the Guide's references, the latter's pre-war perspective could still be useful in some parts. I'm also considering buying Pevsner's book—its scope may be much broader than the Palace, but I am thinking that if I finish with all the articles on the building I'm planning some time within the decade, I might start moving up Whitehall.
:::: Rant over. (Working alone has its benefits, but sometimes I really wish someone could tell me from time to time exactly how misguided I am.)
:::: PS: If William IV hated gilding once, the House of Commons hated it ten times. After reading at least fifty Hansard pages from the period between 1835 and 1900 (in an annoyingly unquotable reported-speech style), I have no doubt in my mind why poor Barry and half the artists involved in the project died before it was finished. You don't want to be working for those people. [http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1851/apr/14/supply-interior-decoration-of-the-new (Sample.)] [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 16:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::I would not bother too much with dear old Nick Pevsner, I have most of his books for the counties, but not for London. However, I only use him when I want an opinionated opinion supporting. In fact, if it were not for old Nick, I would probably have left Wikipedia years ago; he would certainly have been banned long before me - which says it all really. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Giano&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 18:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It is a probem when one works out of an area way out of expertise. I have taken up a challenge to get [[coffee]] to FAC...and alot of the history differs depending on which book is read. Confusing. Hmm..I don't think I've ever looked at the Palace of Westminster article..[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: I'd tell you to refrain from looking at it for a month or so, but I see I am too late. :-P
:::: On expertise, I'd say that is relative; although knowing about the field relevant to the subject is undoubtedly useful, if one is to develop an article enough, one will invariably venture into unknown territory. Or at least that is my impression; in any case, I'm not really an expert on anything, and a considerable proportion of my knowledge in some areas comes from Wikipedia itself or other non-specialist websites, so it's not of much use. Especially as my memory tends to convert hard facts into general impressions.
:::: Giano, it probably does. Mind you, I do need opinions on the building, but contemporary rather than modern. There may be few critics of the Palace of Westminster 140 years after its completion, but things haven't always been like that. Just the supporters of Classicism and the 96+ architects who didn't win the competition were enough to keep the papers busy for a long time, to say nothing of the formidable Victorian art reviewers.
:::: Hmmm... I think I'd benefit from access to the archives of ''The Times''. Lots of disputes were conducted through the paper's pages, and I've already seen a few teasers. Anyone with money to spare? [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 01:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: Erm...yeah, I had a bit of a look. Might be a good one to get to GA first as a practice run...and get kudos for fixing old good content...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::: One hopes, Casliber... One hopes. For the time being, I'm mostly adding new content, though I also use the old one as a guide; like the original walls of Westminster Hall, much of it survives, if unseen. For one thing, I have barely touched the main "[[Palace of Westminster#Security|Security]]" section, but I have largely expanded the "[[Palace of Westminster#Incidents|Incidents]]" one. I only need to expand a couple of paragraphs and write the one on the suffragettes and it will be finished. It was relatively easy because it was just incomplete and the events are fairly easy to find and source; the other sections are much more of a patchwork. [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 23:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Just dropped in quickly --> looks rather good. If I were you I'd have a look at the GA criteria and when you feel satisfied that it does, stick it up there for review. Chances are it'll get a good go through the meat grinder pretty quickly due to its importance. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: Just taking my time to reply: thank you, you are very kind. I have had a look at the criteria, and it is the second and third that mostly concern me at the moment. As soon as I tackle these two (and there is work to be done yet), the rest will be fairly easy—for GA level, that is. Then comes further improvement and a Peer Review, where I hope the subject's fame will get me lots and lots of good advice. :-) I'm already reading FAC reviews and trying to acquire a greater understanding on what a good article needs, but I really cannot claim to be anything more than a beginner with some extra theoretical knowledge. [[User:The Duke of Waltham|Waltham]], <small>[[User talk:The Duke of Waltham|''The Duke of'']]</small> 00:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


==Horticulture question==
You seem to be the only person consistently active at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening]]. I've asked a question there but am wondering, is there a better place I should raise this issue at? [[User:JBsupreme|JBsupreme]] ([[User talk:JBsupreme|talk]]) 21:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


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From another Australian, I welcome your input on that article. It's a significant plant. I'd love to grow it, and shall some day. [[User:Ratel|<span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:9px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px; letter-spacing: 6px;">►&nbsp;RATEL&nbsp;◄</span>]] 07:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


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== FAC request ==
Hi, thanks for all your great work! I am very sorry to have to rain on your parade some. You uploaded this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kentrosaurusberlin.jpg. To my knowledge, the Museum für Naturkunde has not released this image for free use. Under German copyright laws, anything IN a building, even a public museum, is NOT public domain. You may take pics, but only for private use. Could you please contact the museum's PR lady and ask for permission?
http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/mitarbeiter/mitarbeiter.asp?path=aboutus&name=Gesine.Steiner
[[User:HMallison|HMallison]] ([[User talk:HMallison|talk]]) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Cas, I hope that things are going well for you. While I am not keen to add to your list of unsolicited requests, [[Teloschistaceae]] is at FAC and could do with both another review and a look through by a knowledgeable editor. If you felt up to providing either of those, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Gog the Mild|Gog the Mild]] ([[User talk:Gog the Mild|talk]]) 13:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:''sigh'' - I just saw the diffs. Do you think it is worth pursuing or do you have enough visual material. If they have never released copyright on interior photos before I doubt they'll do so now (?). [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ooo, interesting. I'll take a look [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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:: I ahve been working on them! Nobody has ever asked, so they have not released anything, but they know wikipedia is important. There may even be a work order to re-write the museum page for me - so yes, this is worth pursuing! In the end, they will probably deny it, but have our photographers prepare pics especially for wikipedia. So if you write a short email (sorry, just relaized, may we please continue using under this and that license) you may even get a straight 'yes' (do not bring commercail use up, though!), but at the very least you help me make my point there, which helps getting awesome images into wiki :) [[User:HMallison|HMallison]] ([[User talk:HMallison|talk]]) 19:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


::: I just realised you are there (Berline) - any idea who I write to? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


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::::The lady I linked above: [http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/mitarbeiter/mitarbeiter.asp?path=aboutus&name=Gesine.Steiner] Mrs. Steiner is the PR gal. [[User:HMallison|HMallison]] ([[User talk:HMallison|talk]]) 20:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Fantastic, I'll get onto it a bit later. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


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==I know you are a man of taste, but...==
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...any interest in, eh, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Indopug/remdiscog Queen]? Might be a colab over the next months. I know music began in 1976, but this can be our dark secret. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 12:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 51, 2023) ==
:Funny - I have heard a bit o'Queen on the ol' radio recently and was musing on how they'd aged well..will have a look. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


==Anthony M. Young==
I pulled out a list of 25 unsourced BLPs on Aussie scientists, and started working through them. [[Anthony M. Young]] was an inauspicious start: I couldn't find anything. You had better dig something up if you want to save it.


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It is a pretty shitty job. It took me 40 minutes to salvage 7 articles, even though I didn't do a particularly good job of it. I'm glad I saved [[John A. Long]], but I couldn't care less about the others. I don't think I'll bother saving the other 17. Here they are in case there is someone there you really want to save: [[David_Pegg_(physicist)]], [[David_Sinclair_(biologist)]], [[Derek_Denton]], [[Gregory_G._Rose]], [[John_B._Cox]], [[Julian_Pepperell]], [[Ken_Freeman]], [[Lyndal_Davies]], [[Michael_A._O'Keefe]], [[Milton_Blain]], [[Murray_Tregonning]], [[Oleg_Sushkov]], [[Philip_Manley_Boyce]], [[Rodney_Brooks]], [[Simon_Austin]], [[Willy_Susilo]], [[Yi_Mu_(academic)]].
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[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


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:Bloody hell, and just when most of my reference books are packed up in boxes. Damn. Much less fun than GA/FAC. Still, in one respect if they are redlinked they are listed here and can be recreated at another time once I haul my books out. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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::He's more a scientist than [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Clifford_Wilson&diff=prev&oldid=339530016 this bloke]. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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==Thanks!==
==Merry Christmas!==
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<big>Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from [[Krampus]]!</big>
Just wanted to stop by to ping your talk page and thank you for [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Plateosaurus&action=historysubmit&diff=339518979&oldid=339513500 your work] on ''[[Plateosaurus]]'' last night while I was sleeping. Much appreciated! <font color="#0000FF">[[User:Firsfron|Firsfron of Ronchester]]</font> 02:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Aw shucks, didn't do that much - made a change from banksias and reffing BLPs....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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== Time to unprotect [[Ivy League]]? ==
== Bulletin Board ==


Over a decade ago, you semiprotected [[Ivy League]]. Can you please remove that protection so we can see if it's still necessary? Thanks! [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 03:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
I placed your comment on the talk page of WP:MAMMAL. In the future, please place all comments on the talk page of the project. Thanks! [[user:The Arbiter|<span style='color: #FFFFFF;background-color: #191970;'>'''''The Arbiter'''''</span>]][[user talk:The Arbiter|'''<span style='color: #B20000;background-color: #FFFFFF;'><sup>★</sup><sub>★</sub><sup>★</sup></span>''']] 19:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Alright, let's see how this goes. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


== Seasons Greetings!==
:Okay. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]])


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== Merry Christmas! ==
Thanks for your interest. I was aware that you have made important contributions to some Wiki psychology articles.


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The burning problem is that much to my horror, a totally pointless (in my view) template for discussion has just been rerun on [[template:abuse]] (associated with [[abuse]])
see [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_24#Template:Abuse]]


[[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) is wishing you a [[Mary Poppins|Merry]] [[Christmas]]! This greeting (and season) promotes [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a [[Christmas|Merry Christmas]], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow! <br />
It is driving me nuts that in my view a very important piece of work I have spent a lot of time on is likely to get deleted by editors who know nothing about the subject and typically just whizz through the AFDs and TFDs and make snap judgements. To understand the concept of abuse properly requires some specialist knowledge.


Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{[[WP:SUBST|subst]]:[[User:Flaming/MC2008]]}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
It is urgent as there is a serious danger the template will be deleted soon and that would probably make me feel like walking out on Wikipedia for good as it is just making life too difficult.--[[User:Penbat|Penbat]] ([[User talk:Penbat|talk]]) 00:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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<small>I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. Feel free to take a "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" if you prefer. :)</small> [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 00:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
:I know it is frustrating. To write on wikipedia requires a paradigm shift to move oneself away from making original assumptions. I do sympathise, and I need to think about this some more. There are some folks more familiar with psychological material that have yet to comment. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Are you implying that you have publicized this on the psychology project page ? From past experience it doesnt seem too popular and I have used the medical project page. --[[User:Penbat|Penbat]] ([[User talk:Penbat|talk]]) 01:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Both/either/all. I also posted on the wikiproject sociology talk page as well. The more the merrier really. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


== Seasons Greetings ==
== WikiProject Dinosaurs in the ''Signpost'' ==


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Hi. I noticed you're an active member of WikiProject Dinosaurs. Would you be willing to be interviewed for an article in the ''Signpost''? It's quick and painless, plus you'll contribute to some great publicity for the project and articles you've been working on. Also, would you recommend any other editors who should be interviewed for an article on WP Dinosaurs? -[[User:Mabeenot|Mabeenot]] ([[User talk:Mabeenot|talk]]) 06:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 52, 2023) ==
:Sure, although it is a real team effort - it is only semi active currently - [[User:Firsfron|Firsfron]], [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] ''(now retired)'' and me sort of coordinated it, with some more expert people involved [[User:HMallison|HMallison]] does it as a career, as do some others ''(runs off to cut and paste some usernames in this message)''. [[User:Dinoguy2|Dinoguy2]] started the image review to ensure good pics. [[User:J. Spencer|J. Spencer]] is another still active. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::I wrote [[User:Mabeenot/signpost|some questions]] for the upcoming ''Signpost'' article. Answer as many as you feel comfortable with. Also, feel free to add anything else you'd like mentioned in the article in the section at the end of the questions. Thanks for helping with this article and I hope it brings your project some great publicity and a few new contributors. -[[User:Mabeenot|Mabeenot]] ([[User talk:Mabeenot|talk]]) 19:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


== Abuse TFD looks like a complete mess ==


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[[User_talk:Plastikspork#Please_tell_where_i_have_voted_twice_in_the_new_discussion_.3F]]


<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2023/52/1}}'''</span>
It looks like administrators just count bits of emboldened text and ignore the fact that opinions may change as the result of discussion. 3 of the editors in the 1st TFD changed from delete to neutral but [[User:Plastikspork]] looks to have ignored that and just gone by their initial postions. If he had picked up their later views there would have been no justification for relisting the TFD and wasting everybodies time all over again. --[[User:Penbat|Penbat]] ([[User talk:Penbat|talk]]) 17:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
== [[Steve Dodd]] at FAC ==
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== TFA ==
Hello. Please celebrate [[Australia Day]] by checking out '''[[Steve Dodd|this article]]''' about an intriguing yet obscure Indigenous Australian, and contributing to its [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Steve Dodd/archive1|feature article candidate discussion]], before it fails owing to a lack of reviews! Thanks. [[User:Hamiltonstone|hamiltonstone]] ([[User talk:Hamiltonstone|talk]]) 12:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


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Thank you today for [[Masked booby]], "about another sulid". Thank you also for another year of great contributions, and best wishes for 2024! For me, 2023 was a year of stories, and a click on "music" will give you the latest music and memories, promised. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


== Happy New Year ==
Well done on another FA [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 16:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Great team effort...and sphaerocarpa not far off either....cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] ([[User talk:Ealdgyth|talk]]) 14:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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:Heh thanks - and ditto! To everyone who has posted here in this festive season! [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 1, 2024) ==
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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#January 27 2010|January 27, 2010]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Banksia dryandroides]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Banksia_dryandroides quick check] )</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/1/1}}'''</span>
|align = "center" style="font-size:130%;" | Hi {{PAGENAME}}, I would like to invite you and anyone watching who shares an interest in moving forward constructively to [[User:Ikip/Discussion about creation of possible Wikiproject:New Users and BLPs|a discussion about Biographies of Living People]]'''
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New editors' lack of understanding of Wikipedia processes has resulted in thousands of BLPs being created over the last few years that do not meet BLP requirements. We are currently seeking constructive proposals on how to help newcomers better understand what is expected, and how to improve some 48,000 articles about living people as created by those 17,500 editors, through our proper cleanup, expansion, and sourcing.


Please be bold and help improve it!
These constructive proposals might then be considered by the community as a whole at [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people]].
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== Welcome to the 2024 WikiCup! ==
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Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2024 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup|here]]'''. If you have not yet signed up, you can '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2024 signups|add your name here]]''' and the judges will set up your submissions page ready for you to take part. Any questions on the scoring, rules or anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup|WikiCup talk page]]. Signups will close on 31 January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: {{User4|Cwmhiraeth}}, {{User4|Epicgenius}}, and {{User4|Frostly}}. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 2, 2024) ==
(Refactored)...


agree with your sentiments, changed this on several editors talk pages, now changed on yours. [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] 01:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/2/1}}'''</span>
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Congratulations for introducing more than 25 new articles to DYK. Thanks for increasing editor involvement and excitement! [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 16:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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Please be bold and help improve it!
:Thanks! [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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== TFA ==
== the famous ethymologists Maier and Cretu ==


Thank you today for [[Rock parrot]], "about a cute little parrot that has not been much-studied...meaning it is a shorter article than many bird articles"!
Hehe - I just did the same search and came to the same conclusion. Couldn't figure out why my revert didn't take until I realised you'd beat me to it! Cheers --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 10:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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<br /><br />[[Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht, BWV 134a|Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht]]


'''[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories|Happy]] [[User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2024|New]] [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024|Year]]'''
:I know....damn, I have the coffee books still to read... :/ [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


[[User talk:Gerda Arendt#2024|2024]]
== Vampires ==
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</center></div> -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


I have a DYK, but [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#12 Jan|my story]] would be different, about [[Le nozze di figaro|Figaro]], - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwP1MD8gyaA this Figaro]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Casliber,


On the Main page: [[Thomas Fritzsch|the person]] who [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jan|made the pictured festival possible]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Just stumbled across the fascinating [[Tables of vampire traits]] and saw how you were arguing to keep it. I hope sanity prevails and the topic stays, but in case it gets presented to the AfD axe again, I thought I'd let you know that http://vampires.wikia.com/ (also CC licensed) would very much welcome the content. It's still a small wiki, and currently without an administrator, but it has the potential to include a lot of interesting comparisons like this as it grows.
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Today [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#30 Jan|a friend's birthday]], with related music and new vacation pics --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 3, 2024) ==
I work for Wikia and respect conflict of interest rules, so I am not going to mention this site on the article's talk page, but on a personal level, I thought it would be kind to let the primary scholarly champion of the article know that there was another audience that would welcome it.


Thanks! &mdash; [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 18:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


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:Um, okay...thanks - given the licencing, there's nothing stopping the content being copied anyway I would have thought. :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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== Thank you ==


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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 4, 2024) ==


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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 5, 2024) ==


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== Mentor request ==

Hi,

seeing that you're the only one of the mentors listed at [[WP:FAM]] naming astronomy among his interests, I would like to request mentoring from you before an FA nomination of [[Near-Earth object]]. For some background: I achieved GA for that article back in 2018, and have recently restored it to that level. I have attempted to bring an article to FA once (in a completely different field: railways), but aborted it for some reason - after lots of work based on helpful reviews, which taught me about some finer points of the English language and citation templates -, and it was 13 years ago, so I barely remember it & standards probably changed a lot since.[[User:Rontombontom|Rontombontom]] ([[User talk:Rontombontom|talk]]) 17:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:Heh, I'll take a look. Cool article BTW. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
::If you have the time, could you please take another look at the article, and tell it it's now ready for FA nomination? Over the past two weeks, I have re-ordered the history, impacts & close approaches sections in a sequence that seems logical, trimmed some sections covered in greater detail in linked articles, and changed access/archive date format after all. [[User:Rontombontom|Rontombontom]] ([[User talk:Rontombontom|talk]]) 09:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 6, 2024) ==


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== WikiCup 2024 February newsletter ==

The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}}, who has one FA on [[John Littlejohn (preacher)]] and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:

* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|AirshipJungleman29}}, with one FA on [[Hö'elün]], two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Vami IV}}, with one FA on [[Doom (2016 video game)]], one GA on [[Boundary Fire (2017)]], and 11 reviews;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|MaranoFan}}, with one FA on [[Holidays (Meghan Trainor song)]], a nine-article FT on [[30 (album)]], and two DYKs;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Skyshifter}}, with one FA on [[OneShot]] and one DYK;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}}, with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|voorts}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Elli}}, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges ({{User|Cwmhiraeth}}, {{User|Epicgenius}}, and {{User|Frostly}}) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 17:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 7, 2024) ==


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/7/1}}'''</span>

Please be bold and help improve it!
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 8, 2024) ==


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/8/1}}'''</span>

Please be bold and help improve it!
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== Beer ==

I obviously owe you one. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/86.177.202.213|86.177.202.213]] ([[User talk:86.177.202.213|talk]]) 21:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 9, 2024) ==
:Thanks! Yum......[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


==WikiCup 2010 January newsletter==
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We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. We've had some shakeups regarding late entries, flag changes and early dropouts, but the competition is now established- there will be no more flag changes or new competitors. Congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, our current leader, who, at the time of writing, has more listed points than {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Hunter Kahn}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}} (second and third place respectively) combined. A special well done also goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Fetchcomms}}- his artcle [[Jewel Box (St. Louis, Missouri)]] was the first content to score points in the competition.


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Around half of competitors are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. 64 of the 149 current competitors will advance to round 2- if you currently have no points, do not worry, as over half of the current top 64 have under 50 points. Everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places in round 2! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Garden|Garden]], [[User:iMatthew|iMatthew]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] <small>Delivered by [[User:JCbot|JCbot]] ([[User talk:JCbot|talk]]) at 00:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)</small>
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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/9/1}}'''</span>
== Unearthed Arcana ==


Please be bold and help improve it!
Figure [[Unearthed Arcana]] is ready for a GAN yet? :) [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 05:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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:Possibly. Will check later tonight. Very quick point - I recalled at the time that cavaliers severely disrupted game balance as some other options may have done. Is there anything like this documented in a reliable source? It really did change the game. Also, the idea of how much overlap in content there was between the two books. I am not familiar with the 3rd ed one, just the first ed. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Previous selections: {{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/8/1}}&nbsp;• {{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/7/1}}
::I don't know if I have any sources that get into how much cavaliers may have changed the game, but the WD review at least did get into that concept a bit. I don't think there was any overlap in content at all, and I don't believe I have a source that touched on that any more than very superficially. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 12:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::Bother. I hate it when I can't find sources for stuff I know to be true :/ Nevermind, I think it is comprehensive enough to put in the GAN queue...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2024 March newsletter ==
== [[Golden White-eye]] ==


The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.
I was wondering if you could take a quick look at this article to see what else it might need for FAC? Thanks. [[User:Sabine's Sunbird|Sabine's Sunbird]] [[User talk:Sabine's Sunbird|<span style="color:#008000;">talk</span>]] 06:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:
==stake yer claims==
If I ain't mistaken, you ain't gonna get no points for that FA, nor those GAs, nor those DYKs, until ya submit claims for them at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/Casliber]]. Pull yer finger out and stake yer claims, so I get to see you rocket up the leaderboard. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:Done. I listed sessilis up too for GAN. The next question is the rangemap for sphaerocarpa. I am expecting it to pass GAN next time Guettarda pops online - I pinged Gnangarra but not sure if he's too busy. It is a challenge with five colours.....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::I did the Isostylis map with three colours because there is no range overlap. But when I tried to do a multi-colour map for sessilis, the range overlaps rendered all my attempts disastrous. So I gave up and did a single-colour map. There's nothing wrong with this—it shows the range of the ''species''—it just isn't as informative as a map that distinguishes the ranges of the varieties. With respect to sphaerocarpa, there is substantial overlap between var. sphaerocarpa and every(?) other variety, and I suspect that a multi-colour map will be too hard. To come to the point: Gnangarra's maps are better than mine, and it has been a while since we managed to drag him into ''Banksia''. Let's wait and see what he says/does. If he is too busy, then I am happy to have a go at a multi-colour map, and, failing that, whip up a single-colour map. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:::okay. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}}, who has 916 points mostly from one FA on [[John Littlejohn (preacher)]], 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
== What are you doing? ==
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Vami IV}}, who has 790 points from two FAs on [[Felix M. Warburg House]] and [[Doom (2016 video game)]], two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|AirshipJungleman29}}, who has 580 points from one FA on [[Hö'elün]], two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}}, who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|MaranoFan}}, who has 351 points from one FA on [[Holidays (Meghan Trainor song)]], a nine-article FT on [[30 (album)]], and three DYKs
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Skyshifter}}, who has 345 points from one FA on [[OneShot]], one DYK and two reviews


In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Vami IV}}, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five [[Wikipedia:Content assessment/A-Class criteria|A-class]] articles, eight other good articles, and two [[Wikipedia:Four Award|Four Award]]s. Vami also wrote an essay on [[User:Vami_IV/Completionism|completionism]], a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his [[User:Vami IV/My works|to-do list]].
The ARS has been disrupting AFDs I've been reading for the last week or more. They slap "references" on articles that barely mention the article subject, and drop misleading (and sometimes blatantly untrue) keep comments at AFD. Posting a note to the talkpage regarding their activities is not unacceptable, and you shouldn't be removing it. I'm sure the ARS started out with the best of intentions. In my view, it is no longer serving any useful purpose. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 13:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed]]. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
:How on earth is/are comments like [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tommy_M%C3%B6ller&diff=prev&oldid=341269761 this] helpful??? Come on,think about it - you won't convince anyone on the 'other side', just annoy folks further. Suspect sources will be revealed as such should it come to AfD. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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::It's ''at'' AFD, and we have people muddying the waters with blatantly false or deceptively misleading statements. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 13:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 10, 2024) ==
::Casliber: it may not have been a helpful comment, but I don't think pointing out an unhelpful comment is the best way to respond... why not address whether you think there is any merit in the criticism lodged against the ARS here on your talk page? More specifically, do you think that some of the references added are subpar? ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 22:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


:::Some of Unitanode's comments have been unhelpful in a time of frayed tempers and high emotions, as have some of yours, and encouraging or defending such behaviour is especially so. I remind you that wikipedia is not a battleground and that many of our objectives are common. The ''main'' problem with the page in question is the interpretation of notability and components thereof of professors/academic guidelines, hence general speculation on that page is unhelpful. As several parties have fairly fixed views on that and are unlikely to change the opposite side, it will rely on numbers to show consensus. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::: I don't see that you've answered the question. It seems a simple enough one to me. Is there any merit to the critical suggestion that some references added by ARS members are subpar? I suppose instead we could discuss who's done what when and who encouraged what when and so forth, but that wasn't why I popped by. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 22:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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::::: as far as references added ''anywhere'' on ''any'' pages - I don't know. I haven't vetted ARS contributions to that detail. On ''that'' page, I don't have a particular problem. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


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::::::Does it merit investigation, do you think? ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 23:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
''(sigh)'' I don't think there is any "grand conspiracy" to secrete unreliable references to articles, no. I am sure that as everywhere, folks will sometimes add sources here and there that might not be the best ones to add for various reasons. As these articles are often being scrutinised at AfD, I suspect they get vetted at the time by those watching. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 11, 2024) ==
PS: Right now we're at a bit of a crossroads and folks are just now starting to pull in the same direction. We can either move forward or we can start sniping at the other side's behaviour. Your choice Lar. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's ''awesome'' that you are starting, ''at last'', to pull in the ''right'' direction, but that's been my choice all along, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. I turned up to ask a simple question and got a runaround. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 00:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::@ Lar: How is it a runaround? It wasn't that simple. You asked my opinion - I gave it. So I'd ask you to stop casting aspersions on my response. You're welcome to open some investigation or do whatever you like as far as I am concerned. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Simply put, it took me several tries to get an answer to my question, and when I did, it was accompanied by some sort of veiled reference to sniping. That's a runaround. Hope that helps clear things up. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 02:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You changed your question part way through from a request for opinion to that of an investigation, and now you are twisting it to make me look evasive. So this sort of behaviour from you makes me not want to continue this discussion. I had quite enough of you changing focus in a past discussion and resulting in slurs against me so I think we'll leave it at that. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::: But, but... you ''are'' being evasive, I think. I ask a question, you cast aspersions on me, I let it be and calmly try to get an answer again and around we go. Lather, rinse, repeat, but season with your accusations from some unspecificed past conversation. Ok, I get it. Really, Casliber, I expected better. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 06:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
*The problem with the "references" that people have slapped on articles is that, in many cases, the article subject is barely mentioned (perhaps quoted about someone else, for example), but then that "reference" is used to supposedly establish notability -- which passing mentions like that, do not --and as a way to recommend "keep" at AFDs. And these ARS tags get slapped on the AFDed article, and the same crew seems to swoop in and recommend "keep, keep, keep" all in succession, with the barest of rationales. I'm, frankly, tired of it. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 00:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


::It's not as simple as that in the Moller page and you know it. Sometimes mentions can be brief but significant, such as where Moller was consulted. Also, a primary source is okay if it is a (espeically large) institution listing somewhere someone works. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::*Perhaps, but in the Moller article, it seems that ''many'' of the references simply amount to a bibliography of the guys' own books. And, no, brief mentions, even if it talks about his consulting work, do not satisfy the non-trivial portion of the notability requirement. As for the primary source issue, if the primary source is combined with multiple secondary and non-trivial sources, then sure. If not, then no, it doesn't establish him. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 00:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The bibliography helps establish the books exist in and of themselves. Look, from researching as I have, in just about all areas I write in, the internet represents the tip of the iceberg. And I don't even speak swedish in this case. There is enough to satisfy me and my interpretation of the guidelines. Clearly there isn't for you. That is okay and I can live with that. We often ''wish'' the tide of notability were more in keeping with our own ideal one, but it isn't. Anyway, I doubt there is anything either of us can say to convince the other so I think it best to leave it at that eh? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It now appears that an actual Swedish-speaker (Bishonen) is not nearly so impressed. As she's gone to bed, let's wait to see what she has to say about it ... eh? :) [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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I looked into this and fleshed-out TomCat's reference padding with an eye towards highlighting its inappropriate nature. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tommy_Möller&oldid=341392460#Bibliography here]. It seems to have worked as if you hit next you'll see that another editor carved the puff away. The issue here is that some quarters seek to 'keep' pretty much regardless of context. If they are allowed to muddy the categorisation of unsourced BLPs they will have done the project serious harm. See Bali ultimate's user page; he's suggested another MfD re ARS. Me, I'm more inclined to do an RFC as MfD#4 suggested.
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:@Jack, yeah well it's not as if there aren't editors who vote delete as a matter of course regardless of content either, and these certainly outnumber the keepers from what I have seen. I agree in that I predict a MfD will be inconclusive. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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::There may, in fact, be such editors. However, I don't see an "Article Deletion Squad" recruiting them and pointing them at AFDs to do so. As for a potential MFD, a courageous admin would simply delete it as an unhelpful and disruptive page. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 03:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Aha, but many of them spend alot of time at AfD anyway. Disruptive is a subjective term here. They are doing more work ''improving'' (as opposed to deleting) articles than some other editors. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::If by "improving", you mean slapping any ref they can possibly find, and then claiming "Keep, it's notable", then yes. Deleting unsourced and poorly-sourced non-notable BLPs is working on the side of the angels, Casliber. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 04:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Casliber, Lar called you a "crappy mentor" because you did not support his version of events before. More recently he gave Scott MacDonald a barnstar who said he had "utter contempt" for "community consensus", and deleted several articles out of process which the community did not support by margin of 3 to 1. Lar, is this what you call "I think it's ''awesome'' that you are starting, ''at last'', to pull in the ''right'' direction"?


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I would just let this section die Casliber, or better yet archive it. Edits begat edits.


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== RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I ==
More of the same, we all know what edit diffs I am thinking of....


Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review]] is now '''no longer accepting new proposals'''. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship|RfA]]'s structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
RE: "But, but... you ''are'' being evasive, I think. I ask a question, you cast aspersions on me, I let it be and calmly try to get an answer again and around we go. Lather, rinse, repeat, but season with your accusations from some unspecificed past conversation."


* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA|Proposal 2]]''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, provides for the addition of a text box at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]] reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
Well, isn't this [[WP:Kettle]] I recall some questions I have specifically ask you in the past Lar, and you ignored them repeatedly.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3: Add three days of discussion before voting (trial)|Proposals 3]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial)|3b]]''', initiated by {{noping|Barkeep49}} and {{noping|Usedtobecool}}, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 4: Prohibit threaded discussion (trial)|Proposal 5]]''', initiated by {{noping|SilkTork}}, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal 6c: Provisional adminship via sortition (admin nomination)|Proposals 6c]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal 6d: Provisional adminship via sortition (criteria to be determined)|6d]]''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 7: Threaded General Comments|Proposal 7]]''', initiated by {{noping|Lee Vilenski}}, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 9b: Require links for claims of specific policy violations|Proposal 9b]]''', initiated by {{noping|Reaper Eternal}}, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 12c: Lower the high end of the bureaucrats' discretionary zone from 75% to 70%|Proposals 12c]]''', '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 21: Reduce threshold of consensus at RfA|21]]''', and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 21b: Slightly reduce threshold of consensus at RfA|21b]]''', initiated by {{noping|City of Silver}}, {{u|Ritchie333}}, and {{u|HouseBlaster}}, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections|Proposal 13]]''', initiated by {{noping|Novem Lingaue}}, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements|Proposal 14]]''', initiated by {{noping|Kusma}}, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16: Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs|Proposals 16]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16c: Community recall process based on dewiki|16c]]''', initiated by {{noping|Thebiguglyalien}} and {{noping|Soni}}, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|administrators' noticeboard]]; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16e: Allow the community to initiate recall RfBs|Proposal 16e]]''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 17: Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions|Proposal 17]]''', initiated by {{noping|SchroCat}}, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 18: Normalize the RfB consensus requirements|Proposal 18]]''', initiated by {{noping|theleekycauldron}}, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 24: Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process|Proposal 24]]''', initiated by {{noping|SportingFlyer}}, provides for a more robust alternate version of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll|optional candidate poll]].
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed|Proposal 25]]''', initiated by {{noping|Femke}}, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 27: Introduce training/periodic retraining for admins|Proposal 27]]''', initiated by {{noping|WereSpielChequers}}, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 28: limiting multi-part questions|Proposal 28]]''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.


To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals]]. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her), via:
"The ARS has been disrupting AFDs I've been reading for the last week or more."


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Talking about disruption Unitanode, keep in mind that the community ban which I initiated should have passed because of your disruption, so there is not much room for you to complain about others disruption. The only reason it didn't pass, is you promised to calm down.
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== Reminder: GA backlog drive ==
Lar, you are judged by the company you keep, keep that in mind when you repeatedly are defending disruptive actions such as Unitanode's.


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I am sure you would rush to the defense of unitanode if she was put on notice at wikiquettue for calling another editor a [[WP:DICK]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Harry_Anderson&diff=prev&oldid=341407018] This one is good to: "The only thing "incompetent" here is that people bitching aren't sourcing."[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/William_Croft_%28linguist%29&diff=prev&oldid=341403522] I can imagine another prescriptive/descriptive argument.
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== TCC 2024 ==
Take the [[WP:BATTLE]] somewhere else. There are thousands of "sewer" "crappy" "garbage" (good-faith contributions) of editors to delete. [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] 06:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi Cas, any interest in judging again for TCC this year? Myself and Femke are already interested. If you're too busy, I'm happy to find someone else. Best – '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">[[User:Aza24|<span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span>]][[User talk:Aza24|<span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span>]]</span>''' 05:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
*This is who you align yourself with, Casliber? As for your "ban", Ikip, I will shortly be starting up my program again, as it has been ''very'' successful in getting unsourced BLPs sourced, deleted, or stubbed. Once I begin again, start the "ban" discussion up again. Make certain you use all the rhetorical flourishes at your disposal. '''''Fight''''' for those unsourced BLPs, Ikip! [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 07:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:Happy to do so. Will head over to look at discussion. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 10, 2024]] ==
== ''Banksia menziesii'' with persistent florets ==


I just made a few small edits; feel free to revert or discuss. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 16:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
[[File:Banksia menziesii inflorescence with persistent florets.jpg|frameless|right]]
:They're good/improvements. thx. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
[[File:Banksia menziesii with persistent florets.jpg|frameless|right]]
While I was out a-walking in the bush one day last week, I spied a banksia with an unfamiliar jizz. Even on closer inspection I was bamboozled for half a minute until the pieces fell together and I realised I was looking at a ''B.&nbsp;menziesii'' with persistent florets. Not just a bit late to fall: there were old cones from previous seasons with the florets still bolted on. In fact, there wasn't a single bald cone on the whole tree. I've never seen anything like it. Have you? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 13, 2024) ==
:Hmm..interesting. I have not ever noticed a menziesii like this, but not to say it can't happen. Might it be a ''menziesii/prionotes'' hybrid - how far is the tree from you? I'd compare the newgrowth/leaf dimensions/trunk all for comparison. Did it have any new flowers? Some of these old cones have an aura of prionotes about them...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


::''prionotes'' crossed my mind at first, but the bark is that of ''menziesii'', and nothing like the distinctive ''prionotes'' bark. And the flower spikes lack the woolliness of old ''prionotes'' florets.<p>It's quite near my place; about ten minutes drive. Even closer to where Alex lives (assuming he still lives at the address he has been publishing under lately): only five minutes drive from there I would guess. If it's ''prionotes'' (which it isn't), then we've extended the known range of that species 10km south. Likewise, a hybrid means there's a ''prionotes'' population nearby, so it amounts to the same thing. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 05:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Signups open for [[WP:The Core Contest|The Core Contest]] 2024 ==


[[WP:The Core Contest|The Core Contest]]—Wikipedia's most exciting contest—returns again this year from April 15 to May 31. The goal: to improve [[Wikipedia:Vital articles|vital]] or other core articles, with a focus on those in the worst state of disrepair. Editing can be done individually, but in the past groups have also successfully competed. There is {{GBP|300}} of prize money divided among editors who provide the "best additive encyclopedic value". '''[[Wikipedia:The Core Contest/Entries|Signups are open now]]'''. Cheers from the judges, [[User:Femke|Femke]], [[User:Casliber|Casliber]], [[User:Aza24|Aza24]]. – '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">[[User:Aza24|<span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span>]][[User talk:Aza24|<span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span>]]</span>''' 02:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::its done. [[WP:ARS/BLP]] search by importance (A B C), scroll down to the A's in the list. you will be surprised at some of these on the list.[[User:Ikip|Ikip]] 05:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Move protection of [[Gravity Falls (season 2)]] ==
Really, the shite gums up everything. Until today, if you visited any of the following:


In 2015, you had protected the page to temporarily restrict edits to autoconfirmed editors and at the same time, indefinitely restrict moves to sysops only. Is it OK with you to have the move protection to be dropped? [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 03:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
* [[List of Young Australian of the Year Award recipients]]
:Sure. Done. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
* [[Victorian College of the Arts Secondary School]]
* [[Hazel Hawke]]


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 14, 2024) ==
and your interest was piqued by ''Rebecca Chambers'', a concert pianist, and you chose to click the link on offer, you were greeted with:


: '''''Rebecca Chambers''' is a member of STARS' Bravo team, who is in charge of rear security, and serves as the team's medic.''<br />and more prattle about<br />''GameDaily's'' "Babe of the Week" — "Resident Evil's youngest member battles zombies and other horrors so you don't have to. That makes her a true American hero."


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The [[littlun]]s are filling this project to overflowing with dross and, in the case of [[Rebecca Chambers (pianist)]], they blithely insult real people. I shudder to think about what's really going on with lists like the redlinks to gay porn vid actors. See [[Ben Andrews]] who was linked from [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_male_performers_in_gay_porn_films&oldid=330236276#BB an old version] of that list as:
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: ''[[Ben Andrews]] - 2008 [[Golden Dickie]] winner, "Best twink performer - top"''


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Please be bold and help improve it!
:Thanks for fixing the disambiguations then. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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::: Do you see that I created both articles about the non-fancruft real people? Sincerely, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 23:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::: And yes Jack, am pleased to see content creation. Well, we can all [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Historical pederastic relationships (3rd nomination)|switch places]] sometimes....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


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== WikiCup 2024 April newsletter ==
==DYK nomination of R2C2==
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We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.
== Lulworth Skipper at GAN ==


Our current top scorers are as follows:
Just to let you know I have responded to your concerns raised at the GAN of Lulworth Skipper - I was inactive for a couple of days due to real life commitments. As I said there, I wasn't able to find anything in my current sources or those online about the issues you raised (predation etc.), however I will try in the near future to add something. [[User:MasterOfHisOwnDomain|MasterOfHisOwnDomain]] ([[User talk:MasterOfHisOwnDomain|talk]]) 21:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}} with 642 points, mostly from 11 [[WP:GA|GA]]s about radio and television;
:Okay, will revisit. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|voorts}} with 530 points, mostly from two FAs ([[Well he would, wouldn't he?]] and [[Cora Agnes Benneson]]) and three GAs;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|SounderBruce}} with 497 points, mostly from a [[WP:FA|FA]] about the [[2020 Seattle Sounders FC season|2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC]] and two GAs;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Tamzin}} with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink [[Capri-Sun]] and three GAs;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Kusma}} with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist [[Anna Blackburne]] and a GA.


Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from [[WP:GAME|gaming Wikipedia policies or processes]] to receive more points.
== Pederastry in the Renaissance ==


If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring]]. Further questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges ({{User|Cwmhiraeth}}, {{User|Epicgenius}}, and {{User|Frostly}}) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I saw you put the Historical Pederastic Relationships article for deletion. Does this one look like it should be too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_the_Renaissance--[[User:Tonalone|Tonalone]] ([[User talk:Tonalone|talk]]) 18:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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: I thought about nominating it, but at least the Florentine part is much better supported by [http://books.google.com/books?id=2nKiOKHrjtgC&pg=PA95&dq=florentine+pederasty&cd=6 this book]. (Oddly enough, the book had working limited preview in google a few days ago. Perhaps they decided it's not a good idea... See the [http://books.google.com/books?id=5PDZAAAAMAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Michael+Rocke%22 blurb] for the 1st printing, which is explicit enough.) [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 20:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 16, 2024) ==
: After I had look at a few books in this area, the more general concept is [[age&ndash;structured homosexuality]] (do a google books search). Quite a few of Haiduc's articles should be renamed that way (i.e. from "X pederasty" or "prederasty in X" to "age&ndash;structured homosexuality in X"). Often enough the contents overflows the narrower concept of pederasty, which is somewhat ill defined. [http://books.google.com/books?id=cbfVg_1qhe0C&pg=PT302&dq=pederasty&lr=&cd=32#v=onepage&q=pederasty&f=false This book] for instance clearly defines pederasty := same-sex [[pedophilia]], which more restrictive that what the wiki article on [[pederasty]] uses. Also, in Haiduc's articles there's also no attempt to make the distinction between [[institutionalized pederasty]], e.g. [http://books.google.com/books?id=JrpU6O3VnawC&pg=PA375&dq=greece+pederasty&cd=3#v=onepage&q=greece%20pederasty&f=false] (e.g. Ancient Greece) and the deviant behavior that can be expected in any society. I'm pretty sure the methodological fuzziness was intentional. I'm amazed that nobody at the sexuality or LGBT WikiProjects raised these issues. Perhaps we should move/continue this discussion there. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 20:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


Raised...these...goddammit. I chastised Haiduc a couple times for using shitty citations and sourcing, but I do not know why he was banned. That ANI thread and the quiet ArbCom action is disturbing. I've seen editors allowed to disrupt content maintenance much more severely and apparently be coddled for it. I have already written to Risker asking for clarification. While Haiduc was conveniently imprecise--or lazy--about some issues surrounding pederasty, I do not believe that pederasty issues should be deleted. This is not my area of expertise, but I had to wade through quite a few books about homosexuality in ancient Greece, Rome, Africa, Japan, and China to construct parts of the Lesbian article, and it really bothers me that today's cultural taboos are being applied to social practices that do not compare. The same cultural precision is also applied, for example, to women in the 19th century, before the term "lesbian" had the connotation it does today. Again, disturbing, and darkness and silence makes it moreso. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 20:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


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::Arrgh - reply overload - okay to Pcap, good points. Re age-related homosexuality and "deviant" (WRT culture) vs enculturated relationships. Still musing on the Florence situation as that is a fascinating one. As well as LGBT boards, one could raise it at sociology or psychology. To Moni3, do I think we should cover the breadth and richness of homosexual culture over the ages? Absolutely. What I objected to...well I spelt it out in the AfD really. I'll send an email too as I'd rather not discuss it on an open/public board. cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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The IRC must be buzzing with these issues. We had three early closures of [[Albanian pederasty]] AfD, the first two of them edit conflicted. I still think content issues should be discussed on wiki, even if the topic is nasty. Perhaps we should create ArbCom-registered socks and proceed that way? [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 22:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Hmm, I have only been on IRC once for about 2 minutes in the whole time I've been here. ''(sigh)'' Agree re content issues. I am concerned about a hysteria developing. Luckily mass AfDs can be quick-closed as not proper. Also we have a five day timespan and etiquette. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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:: I think I've solved the issue with the Renaissance article. See more discussion at [[User talk:Bali ultimate]]. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 23:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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:: FYI: The AfD timespan has been increased to "at least seven full days" a while back. See [[Wikipedia:DEL#Deletion discussion]]. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 23:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 17, 2024) ==
[[User: Tony Sandel]], a significant editor to various pedophilia-related lists has been banned as well. See [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=28449] for relevant articles; you !voted in the AfD for [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs portraying paedophilia or sexual abuse of minors (3rd nomination)|one of them]] already. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 12:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


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Also, new AfD: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pederastic relationships in classical antiquity]]. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 12:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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I was cleaning up [[:Category:Modern pederasty]], when I ran into [[Harry Stack Sullivan]]&mdash;a psychiatrist, so his article may be of some interest to you. The source cited there does advance the possibility he had a pederastic relationship, but it's nowhere near as definitive as the wiki article. Of course our departed friend was the one who [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Harry_Stack_Sullivan&action=historysubmit&diff=297823882&oldid=296079638 added] the juicy details. It needs a fair bit of work to present the controversy adequately. This kind of articles shows why such a (binary, of course) category is a rather bad idea. Only a couple of NAMBLA types unambiguously fit in it. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 19:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
:Hmmm - had not encountered this about Sullivan before, but then again I have not read about him biographically much. Interesting. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 18, 2024) ==
I'm not sure what, if anything, we should do with [[Pederasty in the Middle East and Central Asia]]. A [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pederasty_in_the_Middle_East_and_Central_Asia&oldid=39728173 lot of it] was written by Haiduc, but it has also seen significant edits by others since; mostly by adding contents, but also some POV removal.[[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 10:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Alot of it reads like an essay, with conjecture, hypothesis and probably a surplus of extraneous material to give the article a sense of validity. I am tending to think it should go as well. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Check out what happened to [[Russian pederasty]]. Some "In Russia..." joke should be appropriate here. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 21:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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The French wiki article on [[Pederasty]] is somewhat superior to the English one: it manages for instance to make that distinction between the institutionalized and casual forms (like I indicated above): [[:fr:Pédérastie#Formes codifiées (homosexualité initiatique)]] and [[:fr:Pédérastie#Formes non codifiées]]. The French Wikipedia has a separate article for the history of the word too [[:fr:Histoire du mot pédérastie]], although a little bit too much of that permeates their main article. (I'm fully aware that the French use of the word need not coincide with the English one, but their usage of the word also suffered significant changes during the past few centuries.)
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By the way, check out where Haiduc has moved [http://fr.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Utilisateur:Haiduc&action=history]. Thankfully (and predictably) most of the French wiki article was not written by him though. [http://fr.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions&limit=500&target=Haiduc] Also, check out this announcement: [[:fr:Discussion:Pédérastie#Des nouvelles pages, a traduire]] referring to his ban here: "an overdose of puritanism and imbecility by the American right wing, without a doubt". I predict a mushy, mushy future for the French wiki article. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 22:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
:Dang, I wish I'd learnt more modern languages at school... ''qu'elle domage'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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== Halls of power ==
== WikiCup 2024 May newsletter ==


The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.
You used to walk amongst them. ;-)


The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
I want to get myself a cool/short username, and the last time I tried (User:1 was used on some non-English pedia), I was denied. Would you point me in the direction of a bureaucrat who would help me find a cool/short username? Some short names like [[User:8]] were just socks, so I'm sure if they knew what to look for, they could find me one that's easily usurpable. Thanks. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 05:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}} with 707 points, mostly from 45 [[WP:GAN|good article nomination]] reviews and 12 [[WP:GA|good articles]]s about radio and television;
:Gosh - I've not done much with this sorta thing. My guess would be to look at a list of users and see what hasn't been taken - or if one has, usurp a long-departed user or sock. Now where is the list of users....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] nominations about coinage and history;
::Thanks for the quick reply. If I figure it out, I'll tell you so you can pick and easy one if you ever want to. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 05:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|SounderBruce}} with 552 points, mostly from a [[WP:FA|featured article]] about the [[2020 Seattle Sounders FC season]], three [[WP:FL|featured lists]], and two good articles;
:::I'd start [[Special:ListUsers|here]] - find one you like and see what has happened to it. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|BennyOnTheLoose}} with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player [[John Pulman]], two featured lists, and one good article;
::::Very cool. I thought you'd know something about it, and you do. Now, how do I use that list? In computer science, we read "!" as "bang". I guess "!!" would be "bang bang", and so on. The first line is "! (Created on December 4, 2004 at 11:39)". I would love to have that one. Unfortunately "! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! HAGGEⓇ?1" is already taken (just kidding).
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|voorts}} with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles ([[Well he would, wouldn't he?]] and [[Cora Agnes Benneson]]) and three good articles.
::::Anyways, it looks like the alphabet starts with various punctuation marks. I can go to where I want in the numbers, and then what do you recommend I do? The problem is that it may have not been used on the English Wikipedia, but the rules as I understand them are: "If someone has logged in on any of the Wikimedia project's wikis with this username, then it's verboten".
::::So, do you have an idea of what the next step I should take is? I feel bad asking you this, because it's a weird technical question, and weird technical answers are valuable things. But, you're the only user who's still around who I think actually knows enough to answer this type of question. Thanks again. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 06:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::The way you could do it then is start by looking for the username you want - eg [[User:ABC]] and see if it has any contributions (even if a redlink) - and go from there. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Actually, if you go to the user page of a non-existent username you get a message in red that says "User account "xxx" is not registered". I don't know if that solves the Unified Login problem, of course. You might find something useful at [[Wikipedia:Changing username/SUL]] and [[Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations]]; those might also be good places to ask questions. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 23:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


The full scores for Round 2 can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2024/Round 2|here]]. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 [[WP:ITN|in the news]] credits and at least 200 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to [[Wikipedia:featured topics|featured topics]] and [[Wikipedia:good topics|good topics]].
==Map==
[[File:Banksia sphaerocarpa map.png|frameless|right]]
Yes, I know it looks like shit. I'll recomposite with better colours but first some questions:
#Is the boundary between pumilio and sphaerocarpa about right? This is a difficult one because the Florabase map for var. pumilio does not match the northern range for var. sphaerocarpa, as it should. Presumably this is because the herbarium still has many pumilio specimens in their database still labelled as sphaerocarpa. Is it safe, and appropriate, to ignore the Florabase map for var. pumilio, and instead manually split the distribution shown in the var. sphaerocarpa map?
#How to handle the overlap between var. sphaerocarpa and var. caesia? (It came out black here) I don't know how to crosshatch the overlap, but I could give it its own colour—something that implies overlap, such as orange between red and yellow—or I could pull back the distributions so that they don't overlap any more.
#Any suggestions re: colours? I only chose primary colours because I am extremely lazy.
#Sorry to ignore the background map you put forward. Again it is laziness. I've scripted part of the process to work with the IBRA map, and adjusting the script will require co-registering against the other map, which will take a little while to get right. As soon as I get around to doing that, I'll update the script and start producing maps against that background.
[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


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:I hope you'll excuse a [[WP:TPW]] interjecting, but it's worth noting that more than 1 in 20 readers are likely to be red-green colour blind, and 1 in 100 are blue-yellow colour blind. There's information at [[Color blindness]], especially the section ''Design implications of color blindness''. I'd strongly recommend using colours that have different lightness, so that there is sufficient contrast on a grey scale. We should also note that our pages may be printed out on a monochrome printer. Hatching has real advantages if you don't need more than 4 options (vertical, horizontal, two diagonals), and also shows overlaps much more clearly. I do recognise that it's harder to set up on a graphic art program, but there are numerous editors with those skills who may be able to help you – [[Wikipedia:Graphic Lab]] is a good starting point. Hope that helps. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


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::Different lightness is a very good idea. I spoke to Alex George the other day and the range of pumilio is essentially all points north of Chittering so the range of pumilio should extend down a little. The article where pumilio is described discusses the range (which can be used to reference it). I'd use red for pumilio and orange for sphaerocarpa - maybe a horizontally striped area for the overlap (?) But the colours are all of different shades AFAICT and the dark for the overlap is pretty distinctive..... [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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== Problematic digital media use and Major depressive disorder ==
:::I've fixed the pumilio/sphaerocarpa split, and adjusted the colours. They still ain't pretty, but "different lightness" is a very heavy constraint. Now the overall saturation steps up evenly through black (0%), green (17%), yellow (33%), red (50%), orange (67%), cyan (83%), and white (100%). Overlaps are excluded from this: I just took whatever ImageMagick gave me when I composited.<p>Beggars can't be choosers. Unless you have some ''minor'' tweaks to suggest, you're going to have to accept this version until I feel inspired to co-register to that other background image (or you find someone else to have a crack at it). [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::P.S. you may have to purge your cache to see the new version. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Hello there! I noticed that [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Major_depressive_disorder&oldid=1217203404 you removed] the Digital media addictions subsection from the Major depressive disorder article that was excerpted the Digital media use and mental health article Depression subsection. Considering that you are a psychiatrist and helped get the Major depressive disorder article up to featured article status (per your user page), I was wondering if you'd be willing to trim that section on the Digital media use and mental health article in accordance with WP:MEDSAY. I've been trying to improve the Digital media use and mental health article (hopefully to featured status if possible), initially by just tracking down systematic reviews and meta-analyses that find associations between the various problematic digital media use categories and recognized mental health disorders by the DSM and ICD and other human factors issues associated with problematic digital media use. Unfortunately, I am not a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist so all I can do is look things up using Google Scholar and often do not have access to entire articles. Another editor has raised issues with the article's layout at its talk page, if you have the time to comment on it. Thanks! -- [[User:CommonKnowledgeCreator|CommonKnowledgeCreator]] ([[User talk:CommonKnowledgeCreator|talk]]) 01:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
That'll do nicely - we can tell what is found where and if someone at FAC wants to make another that would be great. My request attracted exactly zero responses at the Graphic workshop. Okay, getting ready for FAC...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, difficult topic and I have little time for the stuff I want to prioritise on as is. First thing, some context is good but too much is unnecessary - e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Digital_media_use_and_mental_health&diff=1221464951&oldid=1220874509 this] paragraph is just too distant from the topic at hand. Am even unconvinced about whether the remaining paragraph is needed (leaning to not but need to read and think some more) [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


== RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins ==
:[http://www.ivydene2.co.uk/573px-Banksia_sphaerocarpa_map-hatch.png That's] a quick attempt at showing how it looks hatched – really needs to be done as layers, so the hatching blends. Fine at full resolution, poorer at thumbnail. The scale of the hatching is always a trade-off between detail and resolution, so usually has to be optimised for a particular size. I'd say stick with the one you've got. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 16:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi there! Phase I of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review]] has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:
== Ping ==


* '''Proposals 2 and 9b''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Reminder of civility norms at RfA|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA|Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 9b: Require links for claims of specific policy violations|Require links for claims of specific policy violations]]
You've got email. [[Special:Contributions/92.9.187.210|92.9.187.210]] ([[User talk:92.9.187.210|talk]]) 02:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
* '''Proposal 3b''' (in trial): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial)|Make the first two days discussion-only]]
* '''Proposal 13''' (in trial): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections|Admin elections]]
* '''Proposal 14''' (implemented): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements|Suffrage requirements]]
* '''Proposals 16 and 16c''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16: Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs|Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c%3A_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki|Community recall process based on dewiki]]
* '''Proposal 17''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 17: Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions|Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions]]
* '''Proposal 24''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Mentoring process|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 24: Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process|Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process]]
* '''Proposal 25''' (implemented): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed|Require nominees to be extended confirmed]]
See the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|project page]] for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[user talk:theleekycauldron|talk]]), via [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 19, 2024) ==
== Just curious ==


Does you protection mean that Malleus cannot edit his own talk page? Or does the protection exempt him. Just trying to figure out how things work. Kindest regards, —[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 03:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm, didn't think of that. I don't think he can edit it either...but he can edit elsewhere of course. I think I can safely say that the chances of anyone arguing on that page of convincing anyone else of anything are <0.0000000000000000001% and hence a colossal waste of time. Everyone just needed to take a walk. I thought this way was more constructive than other means of closing the argy-bargy down such as blocking or whatever. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I agree with that statement. An enormous waste of energy. Regards, —[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 03:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm beging to hate this website....--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 03:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::An unfortunate lesson: it's not this website. It's people. It's not even the people on this website. Go anywhere else and you will find the same. It's what people do to each other everywhere. So find something that makes you happy and go enjoy it when the reality gets too much to bear. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 03:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::No, it's this site. about 70% of the people I meet in RL like me, while about 95% of the people I meet here, have an issue with me. I'm getting really tired of idiots like Halfshadow antagonizeing me and makeing fun of my bad spelling skills, and plain asses like Fred the oyster insulting my age group. And yet people always tell me, "You need to be the bigger person. grow up!" Well then why the @#$% is Halfshadow doing the things he does? He seems to act half ''my'' age! WTH did I EVER do to ANY of these people?!? Sorry for the cussing but I'm sick and tired of this.--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 03:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::sigh - Coldplay Expert - if you are finding lots of arguments, it could be that you are unconsciously seeking them out. Remember it takes two tango. If you are finding folks taking you to task with your spelling, attach a spellchecker to your text as you type. There are plenty of places to edit and avoid hastle - many many articles, and keep away from the message boards. I'd write more but am in the middle of about five different things as we speak. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::but that's the thing. I don't start this. People come up to me and provoke me to the point of explodeing. I'm only human. Here's a story, a few kids keep on pokeing a snake with a stick, it bites them. But then the kids run off and get an adult to go and shoot the snake. The snake dies even though it was the kid's fault for provokeing it in the first place. Now I'm sure that you are smart enoght to fill in the blanks and know who's who in that story. --[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 04:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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Take a deep breath and start from scratch. I haven't the time to review this, but have seen bits and pieces of argy-bargy about the place. Seriously. Good luck. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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:What do you mean by "start from scratch"?--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 04:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Look forward, not back and start afresh. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::You're not limited to responding exponentially, or even in kind. Find the awesome power in raising your eyebrows and saying to yourself, "Whatever, douchebag. You crazyass motherfucker, I'm not even going to join your twisted dance." And wander away to amuse yourself, to do something you enjoy. You can use less or more swearing. It's up to you. The winner is the one who's enjoying himself and being productive, not wrought up in being angry and vindictive. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 13:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll be sure to keep that in mind.--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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== question on definition of consensus ==


Please be bold and help improve it!
I need to ask a senior Wikipedia member a question. I got your name from Wikicup, which I am also a participant. I first wrote to another person on that list but he has stopped editing.
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 20, 2024) ==
The issue that brought issue that brings up the question is this: In the Barack Obama article, I started a section discussing the Political Positions section. I raised several issues, like what positions to select (let the politician's campaign decide / use what issues they talk about or use what the news talks about?), what time point to use, what to do if positions change, etc. Because of the difficulty in answering these questions, I suggested to eliminate the section. Later, I suggested that we have a brief summary of the man's 2008 election positions and have a 2012 sub-section later. We just can't have his current positions because that would be allowing a candidate to use Wikipedia as advertising. I have not suggestion what should be added or removed, just how to handle this section.


Nobody has violently come out in support of keeping, but there is some mention of keep. There is more mention of trimming it. But, to be fair, no consensus either way, including no consensus to keep. If there is no consensus to keep, is that a delete?


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I seek not to argue but to see an opinion on what consensus is. The WP:Consensus gives no guidance on no consensus. The WP:No consensus is just an essay, unlike WP:Consensus. It gives not enough guidance because it says that no consensus does not mean that the status quo stays.
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What is your opinion on consensus in general? Should we follow this:


Please be bold and help improve it!
1. AFD - no consensus - default to keep
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2. major fact in article - no consensus - default mostly the facts that all agree are true and the most neutral, even if bland, version
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3. minor fact in article - no consensus - default to not use it
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4. sections - no consensus - no default, keep fighting (can't think of a good default since sections can be good or bad)
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== Nomination of [[:RX Telescopii]] for deletion ==
These are just ideas and written with no specific article in mind. Please provide at least a little advice. [[User:JB50000|JB50000]] ([[User talk:JB50000|talk]]) 05:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RX Telescopii]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
:Okay, my advice - the more structure the better, even if it seems you're being obsessive about structure (e.g. support/oppose/comment sections for every segment of text in question), one needs to avoid discussions becoming walls of text whereever possible. I tried something like this at [[Talk:Ghost#Consensus_on_size_and_contents_of_the_lead]] for [[ghost]] but got distracted elsewhere (I really needed to do some reading for that article that I never got round to).. Furthermore, discuss every segment of text separately - subject matter/sentences/however you want to split it. If you give it enough structure, you'll get somewhere. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Copy editing ==


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 21, 2024) ==
Since you've done such an amazing job in the past, I'd just like to see if you might be able to find time to help copy edit two articles. I just nominated [[Gray Mouse Lemur]] for FAC, and [[Illegal logging in Madagascar]] (which will probably need the most work) was published a couple nights ago, is up for GAC, and is planned to go straight for FAC. If you don't have time, that's cool. I can always dust off my budding copy editing skills and take a crack at it. Hope all is well with you! &ndash; '''<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; class=texhtml; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive"> talk </span>]]»</span>''' 15:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


:Will have a look, probably later today. Good to see you back around. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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::Whenever you get a chance, that would be great. BTW, I just passed ''[[Banksia acanthopoda‎]]'' after making a few relatively minor changes. I hope you approve. Anyway, good job! &ndash; '''<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; class=texhtml; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Visionholder|<span style="color:darkgreen">VisionHolder</span>]] «[[User talk:Visionholder|<span style="color:olive"> talk </span>]]»</span>''' 17:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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==Please tap Jack Merridew on the wrist again==
{{discussion top| ''(sigh)'' My interpretation is that it is sailing a bit close to the wind. Anyway, no-one is going to convince anyone of anything
at this venue (being my talkpage), so closing this down. Please no-one feel the compuction to get in the [[WP:Last word|last word]]. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)}}


Please be bold and help improve it!
No surprise here, see: [[User:Jack Merridew]]
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 22, 2024) ==
Jack is bullying cool cat again. I come to you because you at least don't support Merridew's behavior like his other mentors and arbcom members who share his same wikipedia views. Granted, you don't do anything about his behavior except repeatedly weakly warn him, but at least you give him some token hand slap.


I know I am playing into Jack's game by commenting here. In fact, maybe I should just let it be, when Jack Merridew does not get a reaction from his bullying, Jack simply increases the bullying more. Let him dig a deeper hole that even "friend" accounts Lar and Jossi can't get him out of. <small>(Jack's coding says "for Josette" possibly some offwiki conversation they had).</small> Ah well, after a year of this constant repeated behavior, I don't have the patience.


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I will alert Cool Cat, as Merridew wants me too. Give Jack his craved for reaction.
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Should he keep the Arbcom ruling on his talk page? Ironically, he deleted the arbcom notice on his user page to replace it with the cool cat baiting.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Jack_Merridew&diff=next&oldid=341232143] He probably got a sympathetic arbcom member to allow him to remove it.


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As the Jack Merridew and BLP drama has clearly shown our rules are only selectively enforced. If you have sympathetic views which Jimbo and the arbcom share, any behavior will be forgiven.
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 23, 2024) ==
Jack, when you respond here, this is sincere, why do you continue to bully people? Do you even know why you do it? What satisfaction does it give you? I never understood the bullies in high school, and I don't understand your behavior here. I can imagine you, Lar, and Jossi mocking your victims offwiki, what longterm satisfaction does this give to you? Is this all a game too you Jack? Emotionally upsetting editors, real people, with real lives?


Please no "I only have the best interest of wikipedia in mind" responses. Baiting and bullying is definitely not in the best interest of wikipedia. [[User:Okip|Okip]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 18:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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: Does your wife know you have a new account and password?[[User:Bali ultimate|Bali ultimate]] ([[User talk:Bali ultimate|talk]]) 18:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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:: Probably not; won't she be pissed. ;) [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 19:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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: @kip: What the fuck? I am not required to keep the motion posted on my userpage; that was my idea and it's still available on my history page, which is linked (and it links to the official copy;). I'm listing all my accounts on my userpage, including [[User:Note to Cool Cat]]; whup, whup. It's called transparency. The 'for Josette' bit is in reference to the use of the image being used on her user page and one discussed on [[talk:horse]]. I fully understand ''your'' behavior, 'Okip' you are relentlessly seeking sanctions re myself and you assume bad faith *daily*. [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 19:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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:@Ikip - why in the world would you have Jack Merridew's user page on your '''new''' watchlist? Have you tried disengaging? That said, I see nothing wrong with his userpage. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 19:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 24, 2024) ==
What does [[user:Jossi]] have to do with this? Confused there. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 19:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


@Okip - You may not know but I have been an editor on Wikipedia since 2006, long before I meet User:Jack Merridew. I don't appreciate being referred to as "Jack's friend" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Coffeepot101&diff=343384039&oldid=343383605] or "Lar's wife" [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=prev&oldid=339114610]. While both of these facts are true I find it derogatory and it shows a prejudice against me (possibly because I'm a woman?) which I don't deserve. I am an editor just like everyone else here and my contributions to article space prove that. I now see you have started to refer to me as Jossi? Is this another form of insult? I have never resorted to this sort of "name calling" and would appreciate being referred to only by my user name. Thank you. - [[User:Josette|Josette]] ([[User talk:Josette|talk]]) 19:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Fred ==


Please be bold and help improve it!
I blued that redlink, [[Fred Lullfitz]]. I reckon you'd have lots to add there... if it weren't all still packed in boxes. ;-) Add it to your long list of things to do. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 12:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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== Mr. Two Hundred Thousand ==
:Gmail about lead of the sesselis [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 23:59, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


{{stupid t-shirt|'''I MADE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND EDITS AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT AROUND MUCH ANYMORE I STILL GOT THIS STUPID T-SHIRT!!!'''}} <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8">[[User:JPxG|<b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>]]×[[Special:Contribs/JPxG|<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]]</b> 02:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
::Got it - yeah I can fix that :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


:''(Hyuk hyuk hyuk)'' fair point. I keep trying to reignite the fire...but hard competing as I've returned to being a DnD DM...competing priorities...sigh [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Good I am sure there is something like a good ref on the issue but the one liners like florabase say nothing about disturbed ground just the geological distribution which is deceptive when you think about it - ... I dont know how you keep up with all the diff threads in your wp existence mate - its like vienese public transport - run down by a tram trying to get to the underground [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 00:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 25, 2024) ==
== DYK for Plumeria rubra ==




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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#February 13 2010|February 13, 2010]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Plumeria rubra]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201002/Plumeria_rubra quick check] )</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
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==MZMcBride breaching experiment with BLPs==
Wikidemon brought this up, [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people&diff=344069530&oldid=344068170]


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Which got me thinking, who was the sockpuppet who performed this "breaching experiment".
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 26, 2024) ==
Was an editor going around and defaming living people so MZMcBride and his "BLP offwiki forum dedicated to tightening up BLP practices" could create, then claim an emergency?


As I close, or am I completely off-base? The sockpuppets name would be helpful, so I can see for myself. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 19:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


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:I thought they had been anon IPs on the list of articles, but I admit I haven't followed it closely. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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::I will ask Durova. Thanks Casliber. The more I learn about this whole situation, the more shocked I am. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 20:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::For what it's worth, [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MZMcBride 2/Evidence#Evidence presented by Nagle]] gives a flavour of the edits made and the socks making them. Not particularly harmful to the article subjects, but embarrassing had they been left for a length of time. Unnecessary drama, imho. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 23:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks like they all were regular sockpuppet accounts, not anon accounts.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MZMcBride&diff=prev&oldid=337334953#Vandalizing_BLPs] Unless you are aware of other anon accounts.


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Why does the arbitration committee conceal the identity of the editor in their final decision when The Wikipedia Signpost stated the name?
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== WikiCup 2024 July newsletter ==
Are you distancing yourself from me Casliber? I know you have gotten a lot of heat for associating with me and agreeing with some of the things I say, and that takes a lot of bravery and strong convictions in the face of harsh criticism, I note, for example, that WR has criticized you asking for my help. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 19:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.
:I saw that. Not sure why they didn't use the name (just the initial) - I am a bit burnt out from wading through swathes of text on the issue. I do also think about concentrating on winnable battles and/or ones where consensus can be worked towards. Improving inline referencing is a pretty basic change which has to happen across the 'pedia, so making it a prerequisite of removing a PROD is a no brainer for me. I think it should be the rule for all prods really. I generally have a priority of things I do here - the highest being those things that I enjoy, followed by less enjoyable pastimes. My time has been more limited than usual the past week or so. Plus there are some other issues which have taken time and energy. I think you're brave doing what you do, and someone definitely needs to play devil's advocate. Ultimately a list of deleted material is very prudent and makes me worry about it less. I really don't give a flying metaphor what anyone thinks of who I associate with, so am not fussed about that. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::@Ikip, On the point of naming Mr K, it originated with Brad. Cool Hand Luke stated [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MZMcBride_2/Workshop&diff=341190096&oldid=341189824 here]: "'K' complains when his name is invoked by strangers and/or pseudonyms who attack him. I tend to respect his apparent wishes on this matter." I can only assume the writer of the Signpost didn't share the same sensibilities. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Thank you RexxS for that insight. Strange.
:::It seems like everyone has gotten sick of RFC.
:::I really smiled at your comments because I can relate to them. It seems like the more time I spend here, the less enjoyable it is ;) I stopped uploading files about a year and a half ago, because they were getting deleted, after a bully deleted 1800's photos. I stopped writing articles, what I really love, because they were getting deleted. All I do now is policy which is not fun, I am in the minority with my views, and I almost always lose :)
:::Thank you again Casliber. I see you as an editor who sees the coming iceburg, knows the ship will sink, but knows he can do nothing to change the minds of the crew to change direction, so he is trying to savor the time he has left. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 01:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, when I get wikistress, I forget about the fate of the ''Titanic'' and policy-wonkery, and do some 'manual labour'. I've happily spent time just going through and checking refs to help the FA-Team at [[Coffee]]; yesterday, I spent hours at [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Mars_-_Lowell.djvu Wikisource], just turning an OCR version of a page into text. It's very, very tiny in the scheme of things, but there's still a sense of satisfaction. I can't guarantee it would work for you, but why not give it a go? Best --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 12:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:
I have to concur - have a look at what I have been doing. Furthermore, when one moves away from trench warfare, alot of editors with whom I have clashed heads become alot more reasonable ''(or maybe it is me... :))'' and collaborative. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 [[WP:FA|featured article]] on [[DeLancey W. Gill]], 11 [[WP:GA|good articles]], 18 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] nominations, and dozens of reviews;
== Mermaid article ==
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Skyshifter}} with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on [[Worlds (Porter Robinson album)]] and [[I'm God]], 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}} with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on [[KNXV-TV]], 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|AryKun}} with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on [[Great cuckoo-dove]], with a high number of bonus points from that article.


The full scores for round 3 can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2024/Round 3|here]]. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 [[WP:ITN|in the news]] credits, and at least 285 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to [[Wikipedia:featured topics|featured topics]] and [[Wikipedia:good topics|good topics]].
What, Richard Dawkins isn't reverting vandalism to it any more? [[User:Andjam|Andjam]] ([[User talk:Andjam|talk]]) 11:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Hehehe, how fortean :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


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An interesting abstract: [http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/2/288]. A new species, plus implications, I assume, for historical biogeography. I can't access the PDF myself; I've asked Rkitko if he can. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 27, 2024) ==
:Emailed. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 00:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


::thanks - charismatic genus hahaha :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:::In the opening paragraph they call it "famous". :-) [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Even better. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


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:I've watchlisted [[Banksia novae-zelandiae|the article]]. Waiting to see that link turn blue. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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G'day. More empty reassurances that I'll get to ''B.&nbsp;sessilis'' as soon as I have time. I printed out several useful papers today, but have been too busy to read them let alone work them in. The ''caesia'' paper Rkitko provided at WT:PLANTS looks red hot. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 28, 2024) ==
:Cool. Just buffing sessilis now before I go to bed. It is shaping up nicely. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::Me, I've got no brains left tonight. I'm over at Wikisource mindlessly transcribing pages of Sachs' ''History of Botany''. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Do you recall seeing a source for its ability to recolonise disturbed areas? as nothing's turning up online...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, it isn't the best reference, but you could use ''Leaf & Branch'' (see the ''prionotes'' article for the full citation.) Page 92: "As its thickets suggest, parrotbush regenerates readily. A prolific flowerer, it produces many seeds. In the Darling Range it is a good colonizer of gravel-pits." [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::Phew - you found something - what a relief and to think I have a copy as well :( [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 15:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


:::::Lamont ''et al.'' (1998), ''pp'' 381–382: "Prolific flowering in ''D.&nbsp;sessilis'' does lead to massive seed output, accounting for its '''exceptional colonising ability''' after and between fires." [my emphasis] [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's great! I need to sleep now, but in the am...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I've added a mention myself, in discussing high fecundity as fire adaptation. I have a handful of solid pathology papers here, so I'll make a start on a disease subsection next. G'night. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::::::::I know this conversation is stale now, but I found a great reference for this. The first sentence of
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::::::::::{{cite journal | author = Rockel, B. A.; McGann, L. R.; Murray, D. I. L. | year = 1982 | title = ''Phytophthora cinnamomi'' causing death of ''Dryandra sessilis'' on old dieback sites in the jarrah forest | journal = Australasian Plant Pathology | volume = 11 | issue = 4 | pages = 49—50}}
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::::::::::"The proteaceous species ''Dryandra sessilis'' (Knight) Domin is an aggressive coloniser of disturbed or open forest in south west Western Australia."
:::::::::[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 13:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::No indeed - this ref is much better, as the other ''only'' mentioned its colonising of disturbed areas being observed in the Darling Scarp.Can you add as I am wrestling with microsoft word in another tab? Back later. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Sorry, didn't see this last night. Done now. I have a couple of papers on root physiology that I want to read to see if it is worth adding a paragraph, and then I'll be all done. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 02:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::No worries, I'll lurk a bit and copyedit. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


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::::While I've got you, I've just proofed [[Wikisource:Page:History of botany (Sachs; Garnsey).djvu/42]], which has three Greek words with diacritics. I'm reasonably certain about two of them, but the middle one has that ~/^ problem that I seem to remember asking you about a long time ago. Could have have a quick look for me? [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 14:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::::Yeah, should be a rounded circumflex thingy - I changed it. I ''really'' need to sleep now....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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== DYK for R2C2 ==




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== Davidson ==


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Either [[Talk:Davidson Seamount/GA1|you forgot about it]], or you're very generous on time, but I finally noticed it (when I'm imperatively away you should generally e-mail me :) ) and am working on it.
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 30, 2024) ==
Oh, and, hai o/ <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b><font color="black">[[User:Resident Mario|Res]]</font></b><font color="black">[[User_talk:Resident_Mario#top|Mar]]</font></span> 02:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


:Me, I'm pretty laid back with these things generally and happy to cut a bit of slack. Have at it and I'll check how you go. I generally rty to give articles a bit of a shove towards FAC as I go. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


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Hello ;) I was wondering, can you help me make that "lifetime list" for me? I would but I don;t really know where to star or what it sould look like or even what to inculde in it! I'm going to sleep now so I won't be able to respond until tomorrow. Thanks for the help!--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#DC143C">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 02:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


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:As far as I can tell, you already have a start for GAs on your userpage. I just listed stuff on my user page and ranked them - ones I've worked on "quite a bit" etc. For featured material, tehre is also [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured list nominations]] and [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations]]. I also have a 'to-do' section to remind me on stuff to get back to. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::Nah, you don't need to, a bot does it automatically My problem is that my [[User:Casliber/To-Do|To-Do]] list gets longer and longer...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 31, 2024) ==
== ''[[Banksiamyces]]'' again ==


I finally made it to the library and got a hold of [http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B985G-4VMR754-C&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F1982&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1178445022&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=173cc2ad92cc59ca486ffdeefc950c64 the article] you had asked about a couple of weeks ago. There's enough info there to make DYK-worthy stubs on the genus, and three of the species (''macrocarpus'', ''katerinae'', ''toomanis''), or, alternatively, maybe enough for a GA on the genus. What are the chances of images? Apparently these fungi make small but visible apothecia on the seed capsules. Berkeley and Broome first wrote about the fungus in 1887, so maybe there's a sketch from the protologue that's useable. Anyway, I'll start adding text in a day or two and maybe we can have the first Banksia/Fungi wikiproject collaboration? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 14:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Berkeley & Broome (1887) is online at http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13683 — see page 217. There is a picture at Plate 29 figure 18. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 02:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::::That's a nice image on plate 29 there. They call it ''Tympanis toomanis'' on page 224 decription of plate. How do we capture that image and replicate it on commons? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::[[:File:Transactions of the Linnean Society of London series 2 botany volume 2 plate 29.png|Like this]]. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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::::On page 222, they talk about finding it on a banksia cone near the [[Tooma River]] in southern NSW, which leaves me thinking it is a cone of ''Banksia marginata'' although they do not state this (OR alert ++++). Funny looking marginata cone but marginata is a hugely variable species....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Check your email; I've sent you a copy of Beaton (1982), where they ''do'' state that the cone is ''B.&nbsp;marginata''. (You guys should have asked me first; I could have saved Sasata a walk to the library.) [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 03:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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::::@Sasata - I'll leave it up to you whether a solid GA and one DYK for the whole shebang, or 4 species articles - you've got the material and I am happy either way. cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::::Am working on the article behind-the-scenes now... that picture you uploaded is excellent, and thanks Hesp for finding the protologue. Too bad the scan resolution is so crappy; I can upload a screen capture/crop to Commons, but will first investigate to see if there's a copy of the original around here so I might rescan at higher resolution. Four DYKs and 1 GA doesn't sound unreasonable for the lot, but I'll see what I can come up with. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 03:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::Yeah, it'll do the trick. I gave the article a good push towards GA. Hesp, do you have easy access to Beaton 1984, or maybe Fuhrer, B,; May, T. (1993). "Host specificity of disc-fungi in the genus ''Banksiamyces'' on ''Banksia''." ''Victorian Naturalist (South Yarra)'' '''110''' (2):73-75? I think once those two are located and added, that'll be it from journals (but you may find stuff to add from your Banksia books?). I could start stubs for the species, but it would be a shame to have to leave out ''B.&nbsp;maccannii''. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 07:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::I can probably get Vic Naturalist at UNSW Library next tuesday or friday (slim chance on weekend). [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::::When you get to ''Victorian Naturalist'', you'll also want to grab {{cite journal | author = Sommerville, K.; May, T. | year = 2006 | title = Some taxonomic and ecological observations on ''Banksiamyces'' | journal = The Victorian Naturalist | volume = 123 | pages = 366–375}} [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 08:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::::Thanks for finding that, wonder why it didn't show up in my database search. Cas, if it's too mush hassle for you to get these, let me know and I can order them, would take 1-2 weeks to get here.
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::::::::I'll have easy access to Beaton (1984) on Monday. No access to ''Victorian Naturalist''. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 08:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::::Sorry, forgot again. I've just scanned it now. Cas: I'll forward shortly; if you have Sasata's email address, can you forward it on please? Otherwise, Sasata: send me an email so I know where to send this scan. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::::I don't see any email link on your user page... I can wait until Cas forward a copy. Thanks kindly [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I guess you've never noticed the "Email this user" link in the sidebar toolbox.... [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::! Wouldya look at that... That's embarrassing! Now excuse me while I go give eyewitness testimony in a murder trial. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 23:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hang on a sec, will send. Also, will be near the library again for Vic Naturalist. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 32, 2024) ==
:Hahaha. Fantastic. I just realised I never uplaoded a funny photo I took in WA a few years ago. I need to double check. [[File:Banksia violacea 14 orig.JPG|thumb|This old cone of ''[[Banksia violacea]]'' had these dark objects on it which might be a fungus as they certainly weren't on any other cones I saw about the place.]] [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


As OZtrylia has a notoriously under described rang of and field of mycology study - any signs of further fungi or algae work is to be encouraged at all points [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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Taking pity on poor Cas, whose ''Banksia'' books are still packed up in boxes:


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From Collins, Collins and George (2008), page 47, first paragraph of a section entitled "Fungi and lichens":
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== Humpback whale FA ==
"Many kinds of fungi are associated with Banksias. There is even a genus of fungi named for their association with these plants—''Banksiamyces''. The first species of these was recognised in the 1880s and placed in the genus ''Tympanis'', then in the 1950s transferred to the genus ''Encoelia''. Further collections and research led to the description of the genus ''Banksiamyces'' by Beaton and Weste in 1982, with two further species. Six taxa are now recognised, so far known from 13 species of ''Banksia'' (Sommerville & May, 2006). Commonly known as banksia discs, they have all been found on eastern Australian Banksias and one is also known in Western Australia. They are discomycete fungi, growing on the fruit and appearing as small, shallow dark cups on the follicles (Fuhrer, 2005). When dry they fold inwards and look like narrow slits. Their effect is unk[n]own but it seems unlikely that they are responsible for degradation of the seeds."


Do you think the article is Satisfactory? I could expand a little more, but I'd also like for your to participate since you were the original nominator. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 22:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page there is a photo of ''Banksiamyces'' on ''B.&nbsp;lemanniana''. They look like little light grey maggots on the follicles. Based on the photo and textual description, I would suggest that the ''B.&nbsp;violacea'' photo doesn't show this genus. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take a look. It's been a long time so will undoubtedly need something [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hmmm, that's what I initially thought when I read the description and sketches in Beaton 1982, but after seeing B&B's 1872 sketches, I was pretty sure Cas's pic was a ''Banksiamyces''. I guess I should reserve judgment until I get more info. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 17:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::Here are some more articles you could use [https://journalmcd.com/index.php/mcd/article/view/mcd.v13i1.13] [https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ar.20407] [https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/96102356/bf0039715520221220-1-m9ime6-libre.pdf?1671548416=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DObservations_on_underwater_locomotion_an.pdf&Expires=1723478813&Signature=dhGOzXcMUBhRMnUWRv2SsAx9U2i5mGY1ECEuQR7D9aeLFiQwtb1usU~W8EnhMcgR2FKsiyiX2nqOjtrTNgQSCfT0vpAusLL48P9qYnUAoYAPRnOc-9Dvk-k5P0WLJGOheT9kFGfXJ~W2jd6i7BDSf5UD4LSZsxKSufQyPBrFAjnypySZwl7fndbJHvpL7dfFPsjg-4oNuG8SAXiKkoaGg8fbTftHiZWbRIhXGDrI~t6tgoUcgj-E7d1MXJea~LyVtk0P6zO75HeXV8sUGUSw8hZyuEmiapmzBu84DqjF7MZF620fjEL4Q1rtK9ocxc6jL5b1PHbKu70qONV~O4mQXw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA] [https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ar.23990] [https://pubs.aip.org/asa/jasa/article/144/2/525/946481] and [https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ar.24856] [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 15:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::From the abstract of Somerville and May 2006: "Apothecia of these crops are of different macroscopic appearance, with lighter apothecia being mostly immature, and darker apothecia producing spores." ... so who knows? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 17:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::How are things going? Do you still plan on working on this. I would do it by myself but am a bit hesitant since I didn't nominate it and I may have already made it into the [[Ship of Theseus]]. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 22:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 33, 2024) ==
== Sess ==
Well done,on the GA [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 15:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Hehehe, thx :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


==Puffin==
I've done little on this recently, so I'm not too fussed about taking it to GAN myself. I will if nobody else wants to take it on, but I have other priorities like getting ''[[Delichon]]'' to FA, so that the GT can become an FT, and I'm interested in tweaking [[Great Tit]] (!) so Puffin may have to wait a while <font face="chiller"><font color="red"><b>[[User:Jimfbleak|Jimfbleak]] - </b></font></font><font face="arial"><font color="green">[[User talk:Jimfbleak| talk to me?]]</font></font> 15:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Good points all. Onward to FT and some inadvertent lewdity :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Casliber. I'm leaving you this message because you commented at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of African-American Republicans]]. There appears to have been consensus to clarify the scope of the list. I've started a discussion on the topic at [[Talk:List of African-American Republicans]] and would welcome any input you have. [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 06:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 34, 2024) ==
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== [[The Zen of CSS Design]] ==
! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2024/34}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:


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This would be an excellent DYK. I kinda feel like I started the article on [[Africa]], as Jimmy put it. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 19:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Interesting. I had never heard of this book. Will look. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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::Do you have any idea about reliable sources on this one? I looked but nothing jumped up at me. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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::: This is *the* book that woke professional web designers up to what is now seen as the modern philosophy of web design. Pretty much all the design philosophy books since have acknowledged this. [[Andy Clarke]]'s<sup>bad link; a footballer</sup> [[Transcending CSS]] (sigh; [http://www.amazon.com/Transcending-CSS-Fine-Art-Design/dp/0321410971 Amazon]) is the next iteration of this approach (and Molly co-authored this one, too).
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::: An example; this site has 'skins' that change the look of things. This is done by switching the CSS used; the site spits the same code. Look at the main link I gave in the above paragraph and then see these:


:::* http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=019/019.css
:::* http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=028/028.css
:::* http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=069/069.css
:::* (019 is intended to scroll horizontally; 028 is an homage to [http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html this classic]; 069 uses a ragged border around the viewport and note Buddha along the <del>left</del>right and the browser icons on the cliff face)


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::: The markup in each of the above is '''''identical''''', yet the designs are totally different (and note that there are [http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/ hundreds] of great designs and a [http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/others/ thousand] others). They simply invoke a different style sheet that in turn pulls-in different imagery. If you [[view source]] on any of those pages, you will see the exact same markup. All modern sites are now doing this, but this site was the one that drove a stake in the ground and said: "See? Build the web this way." And we did. Amongst web designers, this is the holy bible. There are thousands of books that are basically techie books about nuts and bolts, but there are few that moved the whole industry to a new methodology.
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::: You should also be sure to see this poor stub: [[CSS Zen Garden]], which is about the site itself. Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 00:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


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:::: Wow, I like [http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=176/176.css this one] (actually I am sure Malleus and Ealdgyth would like them more :) - is this compatible with wiki code or only html? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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==[[Marie Antoinette]]==
::::: I'd not ever looked at that one. In the general sense, yes, this is compatible with teh wiki. We're already doing it; go visit preferences and pick another skin. We have fairly boring alt stylesheets. The thing I would do with [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jack Merridew|<span style="color: #5A3696;">enhanced access</span>]] would be stuff like this. See:
You protected this article 5 years ago. I thought it could be unprotected as vandals would have long gone? [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 09:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::* [[s:User:Jack Merridew/roman]] or [http://en.wikisource.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Jack_Merridew/roman&action=edit edit]
:Let's give unprotection a whirl. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
::::: Ignore the text; it's just some list that was handy. Note that it's an ordered-list with '#' at the beginning of each line, yet the list is done with Roman numerals. That page has a div-element wrapped around the content, but that's just a specific method of being able to target the list; there are others that would allow less html-snot in the wiki-text. It's not rocket-science; the code to allow the roman numerals on Wikisource is:
::Thanks [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 22:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)


== Good article reassessment for [[British people]] ==
<poem style="margin-left: 12em; font-family: monospace;">
[[British people]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/British people/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 20:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
div.divRomanOL ol
{
list-style-type: upper-roman;
}
div.divRomanOL-lower ol
{
list-style-type: lower-roman;
}
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::::: (the second is for lowercase roman and there are others for things like Alpha, Greek…)
::::: You're used to things like class="wikitable"; my example above is done with class="divRomanOL". Where do things like "wikitable" come from? [[CSS]]. There are a lot of things that could be done to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and the others, like main.css, which could use work (that's not in the [[MediaWiki namespace]] as mere admins are not allowed to edit it). Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 02:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


== WikiCup 2024 August newsletter ==
::::::Fascinating - I imagine doing some skin for Illuminated Letters, so the default for the first letter of any paragraph defaults to an Illuminated Letter alphabet - that'd be cool....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:
::::::: [[Fahrner Image Replacement]], which is used extensively on [http://www.csszengarden.com/ www.csszengarden.com]. For wiki use, I doubt it would be a skin (but I suppose it could be). Would you really want this on everything? For some articles, though, a graphic could replace the initial character. One way would be a template, say {{tlx|IllChar}} ''';)'''. <nowiki>{{IllChar|A|}}</nowiki> would ditch the 'A' and replace it with an image out of some 16<sup style="vertical-align: 0.6em; font-size: 65%;">th</sup> century manuscript. using the same techniques as the drop-cap templates, only plus a background image. An aside; read [[My Name Is Red]], by [[Orhan Pamuk]].
::::::: See [[s:Page:The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - copy D.djvu/2]] and note the "¶", which is a character in my quotes but are images of a character on the Wikisource page. This is an editing aid, it just indicates where the true paragraphs are. It is implemented with just a few lines of CSS that target paragraphs in the ws:Page namespace. The point is that ''everything'' gets its appearance from CSS.
::::::: And our book, above, influenced the entire web to reincarnate itself as CSS-based. Five years ago, browsers didn't support CSS well, and designers didn't get it, anyway. This has all changed; even Microsoft's balky browser now supports most CSS. There's even a new pseudo-attribute for CSS selectors <tt>first-letter</tt> that would be very useful for the trick you're talking of (this is one thing MS still has rather wrong). Cheers, [[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 06:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 [[WP:FA|featured article]]s, 2 [[WP:FL|featured lists]], 7 [[WP:GA|good articles]], and 13 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] nominations;
Oh, I found this, but it's more about the site and CSS:
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Arconning}} with 791 points, mostly from 2 featured lists, 8 good articles, 4 did you know nominations, and plenty of reviews;
* http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssatten/
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|AirshipJungleman29}} with 718 points, mostly from a high-multiplier featured article on [[Genghis Khan]] and 2 good articles; and
[[User:Jack Merridew|Jack Merridew]] 06:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|BennyOnTheLoose}} with 714 points, mostly from 1 featured article on [[Susanna Hoffs]], 2 featured lists, and 3 good articles.


Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2024/Round 4|here]]. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 [[WP:ITN|in the news]] credits, and at least 333 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to [[Wikipedia:featured topics|featured topics]] and [[Wikipedia:good topics|good topics]].
==Green Pygmy Goose==


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Problem at DYK. Thanks, [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 04:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


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== GA ==
==[[Shuhada' Davitt]]==
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Hi. An article you protected over a decade ago seemed to have its protection settings removed recently. Do you mind removing protection settings from its redirect as well?[[Special:Contributions/197.2.203.207|197.2.203.207]] ([[User talk:197.2.203.207|talk]]) 18:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)


That's fine. [[User:Joe Chill|Joe Chill]] ([[User talk:Joe Chill|talk]]) 07:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sure, why not. Done. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:I have been working on expanding it. I added a medicinal section and I found out that the mushroom was in Guinness World Records 2009. [[User:Joe Chill|Joe Chill]] ([[User talk:Joe Chill|talk]]) 14:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 36, 2024) ==
== CSD ==


Hi, thanks for your insights to my question to you at CSD. I'm going to move the location of the discussion, for reasons I just explained at Coren's talk page, and I'll continue the discussion after that. I just felt I should leave you and Coren notes to explain why I'm moving it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Okay, no problem. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 37, 2024) ==
You said at the ongoing RfC on the CDA proposal: "Okay, is arbcom able to judge on 'non-brightline' cases? Yes I believe so and I'd say that to me it seemed easier to review and desysop an admin than ban an editor for a significant hsitory of -just-under-the-radar behaviour."


I say that the issue isn't just banning but also blocking. I have not forgotten, nor will I ever forget, being blocked for using the word "sycophantic". The administrator who judged that to be a "personal attack" is still active, which I find deeply objectionable on many different levels. There is no realistic way to rein in the marginally incompetent administrators, no matter how many times the deception is repeated that current processes are adequate. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 03:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


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:When was that??? I must have missed that one. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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::Last year, 10th of June.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AMalleus+Fatuorum&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1] --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 03:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, I remember that now ''(sigh)'' - was there discussion afterwards? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


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::::Not that I recall. What was there to discuss? I get blocked for a week and the administrator walks away untarnished. The system stinks. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 03:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 38, 2024) ==
== Shepton Mallet GA review ==


I think we've done all we can on the [[Talk:Shepton_Mallet/GA1|points you raised]] regarding [[Shepton Mallet]], so could you have another look please? Thanks [[User:Dmvward|Dmvward]] ([[User talk:Dmvward|talk]]) 13:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


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== DYK for Green Pygmy Goose ==
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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#February 26 2010|February 26, 2010]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Green Pygmy Goose]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201002/Green_Pygmy_Goose quick check] )</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
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:What a nice little duck! Strange that there's no mention of why this is called a pygmy ''goose'' when it's quite clearly a ''duck''. As the the [[Duck test|saying]] doesn't go: if it doesn't look like a goose, doesn't swim like a goose and doesn't honk like a goose, then perhaps it could be a duck? Any clarification on this? Talking of which, the main article [[goose]] could probably do with a bit of work if any WikiProject Birders fancy a stab!Mind you this is a recommendation coming from a guy who hasn't got around to disentangling the [[athletics (track and field)|athletics]] and [[track and field]] concepts yet! [[User:Sillyfolkboy|Sillyfolkboy]]<small> ([[User talk:Sillyfolkboy#top|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sillyfolkboy|edits]])</small>''<sup><font color="#0B7C08">[[User:Sillyfolkboy/A|Join WikiProject Athletics!]]</font></sup>'' 00:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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::I was wondering that myself, teh duck vs goose thingy. Did some reading but alot of knowledge is really up in the air...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 39, 2024) ==
* Observing this conversation, I just did a little work upon [[Goose]]. I'd like to create a redirect [[Silly goose]] to this section but find that this is currently protected. Please can you unprotect this. [[User:Colonel Warden|Colonel Warden]] ([[User talk:Colonel Warden|talk]]) 15:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::You reckon? Okay. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


== More bedtime reading ==


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[http://www.pnas.org/content/106/1/221.full.pdf]—the most recent phylogeny and dating of Proteaceae. Easy to miss with such an obscure title. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 12:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
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==WikiCup 2010 February newsletter==
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Round one is over, and round two has begun! Congratulations to the 64 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our first round. A special well done goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, our round one winner (1010 points), and to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Hunter Kahn}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}, who were second and third respectively (640 points/605 points). Sasata was awarded the most points for both good articles (300 points) and featured articles (600 points), and TonyTheTiger was awarded the most for featured topics (225 points), while Hunter Kahn claimed the most for good topics (70). {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Staxringold}} claimed the most featured lists (240 points) and featured pictures (35 points), {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Geschichte}} claimed the most for ''Did you know?'' entries (490 points), {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Jujutacular}} claimed the most for featured sounds (70 points) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Candlewicke}} claimed the most for ''In the news'' entries (40 points). No one claimed a featured portal or valued picture.


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Credits awarded after the end of round one but before round two may be claimed in round two, but remember the rule that content must have been worked on in some significant way during 2010 by you for you to claim points. The groups for round two will be placed up shortly, and the submissions' pages will be blanked. This round will continue until 28 April, when the top two users from each group, as well as 16 wildcards, will progress to round three. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup; thank you to all doing this last round, and particularly to those helping at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]], [[User:iMatthew|iMatthew]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] <small>Delivered by [[User:JCbot|JCbot]] ([[User talk:JCbot|talk]]) at 00:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)</small>
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== RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review ==
== Where to? ==


Hi there! The trial of the <strong>RfA discussion-only period</strong> passed at [[WP:RFA2024]] has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period]]'''. Cheers, and happy editing! [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Any thoughts on where to go with ''Banksia'' next? I was thinking of banging my head against ''[[Banksia coccinea]]'' for a while. Want to get involved in that? Other ideas: I still have an Isostylis FT in my sights, and it is high time we nailed one of the Prostratae. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 11:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Vandalism of Gold standard articles by a person who's disruptive edits you've dealt with previously. ==
:I have been expanding [[Banksia laevigata subsp. laevigata]] to get to a 5x expansion for DYK as I thought the tennis ball name was funny. My grafted one is growing slowly too :) Coccinea sounds good too - actually that one sounds like a good FA one, lots of cut flower industry, waite cultivars, difficulty in growing and unusual taxonomic history to boot. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


Dear administrator. Can you please take a look into the edit history of these Karnataka dynasty pages
::Yeah, that was my thinking. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 23:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


1) [[Chalukya_dynasty]]
== White Dwarf ==
2) [[Western_Chalukya_Empire]]
3) [[Kadamba_dynasty]]
4) [[Pallava_dynasty]]
5) [[Hoysala_Kingdom]]
6) [[Kalachuris_of_Kalyani]]


They have been continously getting vandalised by a Maratha caste IP looking to promote his caste. Please take a look at his edit history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:408C:ADB5:3805:E56B:A989:87F5:F563
[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons#White Dwarf reviews|All done]]. ;) [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 00:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


I think similar edits were made by the same person in the [[Rashtrakutas]] dynasty page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rashtrakutas&action=history) which made you protect the page for a period of 3 months about 4 days back. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rashtrakutas&diff=prev&oldid=1247580284)
== new category FYI ==


Kindly do the same for the other dynasty pages he is targetting as well. He is using old British period sources which according to WP:RAJ is unreliable (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F.)
{{cl|New Zealand psychiatrists}} only one person so far! [[User:Earlypsychosis|Earlypsychosis]] ([[User talk:Earlypsychosis|talk]]) 07:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


The same account seems to be adding those dynasties to promote his caste here as well [[List_of_Maratha dynasties_and_states]]. Please look into it (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Maratha_dynasties_and_states&action=history).
== Thank you! ==


Thank you. [[User:Mpatrol|Mpatrol]] ([[User talk:Mpatrol|talk]]) 10:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 40, 2024) ==
:Gee, thanks :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


== Christ myth theory peer review ==


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Hi, I've recently submitted the [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Christ_myth_theory/archive1|Christ myth theory]] article for peer review. Given your interests listed on the PR volunteers page and your experience, I think your comments could be very helpful here. Thank you. [[User:Eugeneacurry|Eugene]] ([[User talk:Eugeneacurry|talk]]) 23:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Fluffing up of birds ==


Please be bold and help improve it!
Hi there- I know you know your birds, and we have a strange situation on a FPC- [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Eclectus roratus.jpg]]. The image in question shows the species in a particularly fluffy state, and one user noted that their pet of the same species does the same thing- basically, do we have an article anywhere on this behaviour? Myself and another user feel that this image would be an excellent illustration, but we are not overly keen on supporting the image in its current usage. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 18:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Any chance of a DYK prep to queue promotion (or two)? ==
== ''[[Lactarius deliciosus]]'' ==


Casliber, it looks like things are busy where you are, but in case you have any time, might you be able to promote any DYK preps to queues? The queues are all empty, and six preps are full; it would help if we could get some movement here. Many thanks even if now's a bad time; you've done so many promotions over the years. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
High-importance edible species... whaddya say about a GA and FA? Quite a bit of info available, and I have the Hesler and Smith (1982) ''Lactarius'' monograph. I will start expanding soon. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 01:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Taking a look [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you so much! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 19:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a problem. Been busy (and busy still). Will try to keep an eye on it. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)


== Mentor for GA/FAC ==
:Good idea. Have eaten these a few times (very plentiful under introduced pines around Sydney, and contributed a few photos. Does the 1982 work clarify the similar species? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::The monograph has descriptions for 5 variants. Between that, the scientific literature, and another [http://www.syracuseuniversitypress.syr.edu/fall-2009/milk-mushrooms.html recent work] that I will now be able to justify buying, I think we'll be able to sort it all out. [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 02:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::terrific. I have wondered which taxon is what (and I can figure out which one I have eaten too)...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Casliber, I am wondering if you would have some time (not urgently) to be a mentor/provide some specific advice regarding the [[Geologic Time Scale]] article I've helped significantly revise over the past couple of years. It is currently rated as B-class, but I believe it to be much improved since that assessment. I have requested an independent assessment of it on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Geology|Wikiproject Geology]] as I think it may be of A-class now. Additionally I am considering either a [[Wikipedia:GAN|GAN]] or [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates|FAC]] listing, but would appreciate advice from a more experienced editor. Thanks for your time. [[User:Jarred C Lloyd|Jarred C Lloyd]] ([[User talk:Jarred C Lloyd|talk]]) 02:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
==Request for help==
:Taking a look [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)


== October music ==
I am will shortly be posting to [[WP:AN]] with the request below. Any support would be appreciated.
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You may remember [[Maryvonne Le Dizès]], thank you for promoting her to the queue, - my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Oct|story today]] as [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#28 Aug|on 28 August]]. [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Some September music|Some September music]] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with [[György Ligeti|Ligeti]] mentioned in story and music. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)


I made Leif Segerstam my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Oct|big]] story today. -[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
===Request to WP:AN===
"I would like to take the article [[History of logic]] to FA. I have already sought input from a number of contributors and have cleared up the issues raised (I am sure there are more). I wrote nearly all of the article using different accounts, as follows:


Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#rich day|richer]]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted [[Cucurbita]] in 2016. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
*[[User:Peter Damian (old)]]
*[[User:HistorianofLogic]]
*[[User:Logicist]]
*[[User:Here today, gone tomorrow]]
*[[User:Renamed user 4]]


== DYK credit ==
I would like to continue this work but I am frustrated by the zealous activity of [[User:Fram]] who keeps making significant reverts, and blocking accounts wherever he suspects the work of a 'banned user'. (Fram claims s/he doesn't understand "the people who feel that content is more important than anything else").
Hello Cas Liber, it seems my DYK credit for [[Juno (song)]] has not been processed despite it being part of a double hook with [[Bed Chem]]? I had added it to my nomination within seven days of it being created and bolded it.--''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 00:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)


== Mentor for Tumor Necrosis Factor FAC ==
Can I please be left in peace with the present account to complete this work. 'History of logic' is a flagship article for Wikipedia, and is an argument against those enemies who claim that nothing serious can ever be accomplished by the project". [[User:Logic Historian|Logic Historian]] ([[User talk:Logic Historian|talk]]) 09:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Casliber, I am a new editor and recently got [[Tumor Necrosis Factor]] promoted to GA status. I'd like to go for Featured Article status, and am wondering if you could be a mentor and provide some advice. Would greatly appreciate any help! [[User:AdeptLearner123|AdeptLearner123]] ([[User talk:AdeptLearner123|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 00:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Ah ok. Bit busy but will do so in a few days [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 41, 2024) ==
::''facepalm'' - I think the best place is a Request for clemency at arbcom. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)




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== Return from a more or less 2 year long wikibreak ==
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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/41/1}}'''</span>
Hi Casliber. you may remember me from my involvement with several NZ bird articles such as Huia, Whitehead and Kakapo a few years back.


Please be bold and help improve it!
I don´t think I ended up contributing when Huia was being checked over for GA status. I apologize, i have a had a few health troubles in the past few years and that combined with full time work really kept me away from wikipedia for a long time. I am travelling in south america right now but return to NZ in a month and am already itching to rip into some kiwi avifauna articles. this morning i actually dreamt about getting kakariki to FA, haha, so you can see that even my subconscious is super keen for me to become an active wikipedian once more. I have noticed the excellent work done on a number of australian fairy wren articles and have subsequently determined (trolling through the histories) that you are the main culprit behind their improvement. I have learnt that I cannot make promises as to what I will do on wikipedia because things don´t always go as planned and life can throw up unexpected obstacles at random.. but what I will say is that i would ´´´like´´´ to push several NZ bird articles towards FA and ¨go for gold¨¨ as you suggested a couple of years back. I am looking for someone with lots of experience in this sort of area to give me advice as I set about my informative quest. You seem like an ideal candidate. It would just involve me asking the odd question from time to time here on your discussion page.. does this sound ok to you?
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 42, 2024) ==
All the best,
Cheers,
[[User:Kotare|Kotare]] ([[User talk:Kotare|talk]]) 18:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


:Choice bro'! Yeah, happy to help out..lots folks will help with Kakariki for sure :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


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== I'm back ==
! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2024/42}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:


<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/42/1}}'''</span>
Had this maddening urge to do a [[List of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean football champions]] since I got off the bleedin' plane! <span style="color:#ffffff; background-color:#ff3300;"> – [[User:Cliftonian|<span style="color:#ffffff;">'''Cliftonian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cliftonian|<span style="color:#ffffff;">the orangey bit</span>]]</sup></span> 19:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Hah, that's a DYK right there...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


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== Your semi-protection of [[Biological warfare]] and other articles ==
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 43, 2024) ==
Hello, could you please review your protection of [[Biological warfare]]? It appears to have been excessive. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/124.86.51.185|124.86.51.185]] ([[User talk:124.86.51.185|talk]]) 03:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


:Erm, I am a bit worried about [[Biological_warfare#List_of_people_associated_with_BW|this]]. I have a better idea. Why not make an account? cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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::It [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=348245923 looks] as though 124 believes [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Biological_warfare&action=history this] is an example of an article with "no real history of disruption". I would disagree with that. <font color="#0000FF">[[User:Firsfron|Firsfron of Ronchester]]</font> 05:15, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2024/43}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:


<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/43/1}}'''</span>
::: Reworded, thank you. [[Special:Contributions/124.86.51.185|124.86.51.185]] ([[User talk:124.86.51.185|talk]]) 05:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
Hello. Just to let you know that people are waiting for your reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_page_protection&action=historysubmit&diff=348452447&oldid=348449613 here]. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/122.25.254.86|122.25.254.86]] ([[User talk:122.25.254.86|talk]]) 21:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Invitation to participate in a research ==
:Thank you for [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Biological_warfare&action=historysubmit&diff=348619194&oldid=348552531 unprotecting]. [[Special:Contributions/124.86.53.166|124.86.53.166]] ([[User talk:124.86.53.166|talk]]) 14:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


Hello,
==I owe you a pint==
Next time you are near Cork. Thanks for the archives, img etc. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 08:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Hopefully one day - I am well and truly earthbound for a while :( [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::Patter of tiny feey? Or did somebody break your legs. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 13:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::''(ec on me own feckin' talk page)'' Yeah, eight of them. I don't fancy 24 hours on a plane with a lively 2 year old (though we might have to at some stage this year) - Australia is so goddamn far from anywhere....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well thats a good reason. So amybe in 2027, when they are all grown up. Remind me first though. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 13:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


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I found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Statement_by_Casliber this] pragmatic statement interesting. I'd say there's absolutely no reason why we should need mass deletion here. The bare-bones of a consensus are already threshed out. BLPPROD should gives us a way of preventing new BLPs being kept for too long without sourcing, and we review the backlog in three months to see if the current clear up is still going apace, with a target of ensuring it is cleared in 12 months. Preferably this can be done without any deletions whatsoever. I'd certainly be happy to support your idea of a list of articles deleted.


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I'm wondering whether you'd be willing to stick your nose into the progress so far. We need pragmatic inclusionists at this point, who <s>want</s> [are willing] to see an agreement of something like the above. The problem at the moment is we've got people who are not accepting the directions things are headed, and (on the other hand) people like me, whose involvement is probably winding them up. I'd be willing to step away, if I felt someone like yourself might help see the thing through. When the debate goes on too long, the moderates lose interest and the dead horses start getting flogged. The biggest danger here is inertia again. [[Wikipedia talk:Sticky Prod workshop]] if you are interested.--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 01:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


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:I was just thinking how just undeleting and sourcing was ultimately alot easier than banging heads at AfD. I'll take a look. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for that :). I've put a notice on the talk page about the last couple - please let me know there if you'd like me to remove them if sources aren't found. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 22:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


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:Meh. Give it a bit of time - I haven't looked at the names so if they sound plausible maybe a few weeks (??) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


The final round was very productive, and contestants had 7 FAs, 9 FLs, 94 GAs, 73 FAC reviews, and 79 GAN reviews and peer reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!
== Hammond ==
I noticed that. I did some clean-up on it in the past two months but given the events of [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ian Meckiff/archive1]]. I'm not sure whether I'll improve the article with my edits and I'm not noticiing any change in my writing style. Given that Brianboulton did the PR, and has never been shy of stopping any cricket FAC (since 2009 every cricket writer who submitted to FAC has gotten at least one oppose from him), I'm not sure why he wouldn't have bothered to bite if he felt it necessary. Still, the guys at WP:CRIC never pipe up on FACs anymore for whatever reason. BB knows a lot about English cricket content as well and isn't afraid of commenting on a lot of the facts either, so I was tempted to just vote support....Anyway, it's up to you to push [[WP:AUS]] to 200 by Anzac Day, everything seems to have stalled at [[WP:AWNB/A]] '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll]]''</font>) 04:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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== Your indefinite semi-protection of [[List of people indicted by the International Criminal Court]] ==


*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} wins the featured article prize for 3 FAs in round 4, and 7 FAs overall.
Hello. Could you please reconsider your protection of [[List of people indicted by the International Criminal Court]]? It seems to have been excessive. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/124.86.53.166|124.86.53.166]] ([[User talk:124.86.53.166|talk]]) 14:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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:Okay, I'll do that as it is referenced. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


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::Thank you. Could you please also review [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=Casliber&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= other semi-protections] you have granted in the past under similar circumstances? [[Special:Contributions/114.148.196.240|114.148.196.240]] ([[User talk:114.148.196.240|talk]]) 14:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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:::Can you tell me which ones specifically you're interested in? Also, it looks like your IP keeps changing - are you the same person as above? If you make an account, it can help orientate me as who I am talking to. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 45, 2024) ==
::::It's OK, I can point each to your attention in this talk page. I am the same person who wrote [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACasliber&action=historysubmit&diff=349218523&oldid=349165682 this comment], if that helps. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/114.148.196.240|114.148.196.240]] ([[User talk:114.148.196.240|talk]]) 21:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


== [[Talk:Ben Bulben/GA1]] ==


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Hey, just poking you about this GA review. Looks like a lot of work was done a month ago, but nothing since, so it's definitely had time to be fixed. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 05:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2024/45}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:


<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/45/1}}'''</span>
:I left a message on the nominator's page. I see she is still active so will either see improving or failing in the next day or two. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


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== Your semi-protection of [[Wave Rock]] ==
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Hello. Your semi-protection of [[Wave Rock]] seems to have been excessive. Could you please reconsider? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/114.148.196.240|114.148.196.240]] ([[User talk:114.148.196.240|talk]]) 21:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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[[American robin]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/American robin/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 🍕[[User:Boneless Pizza!|<span style="background:orange;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">B</span>P!</span>]]🍕 ([[User talk:Boneless Pizza!|🔔]]) 11:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 46, 2024) ==


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! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2024/46}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:

<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/46/1}}'''</span>

Please be bold and help improve it!
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 49, 2024) ==


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/49/1}}'''</span>

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Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at [[WP:FAM]] and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is [[Neurocysticercosis]], a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1]]. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! [[User:IntentionallyDense|<span style="color:#4e0d55">'''Intentionally'''</span>]][[User talk:IntentionallyDense|<span style="color:#27032b">'''Dense'''</span>]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/IntentionallyDense|''Contribs'']])</sup> 21:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:I'll take a look when I can. Been busy IRL and wikipedia has been pushed aside for higher priorities alot of the time but I'll see what I can do. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks so much I really appreciate it! [[User:IntentionallyDense|<span style="color:#4e0d55">'''Intentionally'''</span>]][[User talk:IntentionallyDense|<span style="color:#27032b">'''Dense'''</span>]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/IntentionallyDense|''Contribs'']])</sup> 01:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 50, 2024) ==


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/50/1}}'''</span>

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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 51, 2024) ==


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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 52, 2024) ==


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<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/52/1}}'''</span>

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<small>I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. Feel free to take a "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" if you prefer. :)</small> [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 18:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:If circumstances change and other editors take an interest in it then maybe. Unfortunately it was one where vandalism from different IPs happened and went unreverted, until I had to go back and clean up. Given that, this is a less labour-intensive way of ensuring vandalism does not remain. If someone wishes to edit the article and asks me on the talkpage, I'll be happy to oblige. Are you interested in editing the article yourself? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


== Good article reassessment for [[Vampire folklore by region]] ==
:::When asked about your protections, you sometimes raise points that do not seem to be relevant to our protection [[WP:PP|policy]] and [[Wikipedia:Rough_guide_to_semi-protection|guidelines]]. Example of irrelevant points are:
[[Vampire folklore by region]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Vampire folklore by region/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


== December music ==
:::* Whether the article is referenced or not
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:::* Whether they ask nicely - although I agree that requests should always be polite
My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#27 Dec|third Christmas story]] is different ;) - enjoy the season! -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 1, 2025) ==
:::I think we should focus more on other aspects of the protection being reviewed. Aspects that, in my opinion, are much more relevant to the above-referenced policy. For example:


:::* How many disruptive edits from non-auto-confirmed were there in the recent past of the article?
:::* Were these episodes "heavy and persistent"? To get an idea of what other admins mean by this, I invite you to take a look at [[WP:RFP]] and study which requests are being granted (and with what duration), and which were denied because there is "not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection".
:::* Is the article a BLP?
:::* Could the disrupting editors have been warned/blocked instead?


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:::Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/114.148.196.240|114.148.196.240]] ([[User talk:114.148.196.240|talk]]) 12:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
! <div style="margin:0; background-color:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid blue; text-align:center; color:#082840; padding-left:0.4em; padding-top: 0.4em; padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight:normal">{{AFI/Picture box|week=2025/1}} Hello, Casliber. The [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] of the week is:


<span style="font-size:140%;">'''{{Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2025/1/1}}'''</span>
O-kay then. (a) asking whether you are going to edit the account is not irrelevant, as by editing it it then means you are going to watch it. (b) re asking nicely, i was being somewhat humorous, but on a more serious note, it means I am being responsive. Indefinite does not mean infinite, and in fact I prefer the idea of the time length being irrelevant as long as someone is watching once it is being unprotected, be it after 5 days, 5 months or 5 years, rather than some arbitrary time of, say, 6 months where there is no notification or whatever. (c) there has been a huge amount of discussion about referencing with unreferenced BLPs lately. The take-home message is that vandal edits are alot easier to spot in an article which already contains a substantial proportion of its material as supported by inline referencing. Hence a laxer attitude in protecting is feasible. (d) watching for reversion is critical - two edits by successive IPs often throws vandal-reverters. Hence my asking whether someone is going to watch or not. This is about pragmatism. (e) regarding you - your IP changes - I have no idea who I am talking to. Even a throwaway pseudonym account is more useful. These anonymous comments are thus not accountable to anyone or anything. You come and comment on pages you have no interest in editing but are trying to prove some point or other. If you are not a contributor then what are you trying to accomplish here wrestling with my interpretation of policy? How do I know you are well-intentioned? A few 'thankyous' dotted in your comments don't make up for some openness and accountability. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


Please be bold and help improve it!
:Cas, I'm happy to remove the protection and watchlist this. Let me know if you're happy with this. (via request at RPP). [[User:Ged UK|<font color="green">Ged</font>]][[User talk:Ged UK|<font color="orange">'''''UK'''''</font>&nbsp;]] 13:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Welcome to the 2025 WikiCup! ==
Thank you, Ged.


Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2025 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor, we hope the WikiCup will give you a chance to improve your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup|here]]'''. If you have not yet signed up, you can '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2025 signups|add your name here]]''' and the judges will set up your submissions page ready for you to take part. Any questions on the scoring, rules or anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup|WikiCup talk page]].
Casliber, you ask, ''How do I know you are well-intentioned?'' - You don't know it, you [[WP:AGF|assume]] it. It sounds like you would benefit from reading [[WP:HUMAN]]. [[Special:Contributions/114.148.196.240|114.148.196.240]] ([[User talk:114.148.196.240|talk]]) 13:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


For the 2025 WikiCup, we've implemented [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring#What's changed from last year?|several changes]] to the scoring system. The highest-ranking contestants will now receive [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring#Tournament points|tournament points]] at the end of each round, and final rankings are decided by the number of tournament points each contestant has. If you're busy and can't sign up in January, don't worry: Signups are now open throughout the year. To make things fairer for latecomers, the lowest-scoring contestants will no longer be eliminated at the end of each round.
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The first round will end on 26 February. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: {{User4|Cwmhiraeth}}, {{User4|Epicgenius}}, {{User4|Frostly}}, {{User4|Guerillero}} and {{User4|Lee Vilenski}}. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey Cas, it's Spawn Man. Been a while I know - how are you doing. Just typing from university and have been here for hours in a storm so was really scraping the barrel on what to keep me from my boredom when I thought of catching up with all my old Wiki-friends. Haven't been to my user-page yet, hopefully it's still there lol. Hope you're well. Read you got into ArbCom, but I saw it didn't work out... You still have my email right? Send me a line sometime. : )
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== Copy of deleted article Vaughn J Featherstone ==
Cheers,


Hi. Could you please provide me a copy of the deleted article [[Vaughn J Featherstone]] or [[Vaughn J. Featherstone]]? Many additional sources are available and I'd like to see whether I might be able to flesh it out. Thanks much. [[User:Davemc0|Davemc0]] ([[User talk:Davemc0|talk]]) 19:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/130.123.192.23|130.123.192.23]] ([[User talk:130.123.192.23|talk]]) 05:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:Okay I have userfied it and placed it at [[User talk:Davemc0/Vaughn J. Featherstone]]. Just keep an eye on notability requirements before moving it to article space. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::I think it should have been moved to [[Draft:Vaughn J. Featherstone]]. If there was a problem with that, it should have been moved to [[User:Davemc0/Vaughn J. Featherstone]]. It is not a talk page. [[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 21:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for providing it. Yes, I'll see whether I can solve the notability problem. [[User:Davemc0|Davemc0]] ([[User talk:Davemc0|talk]]) 17:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


== This week's [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement|article for improvement]] (week 2, 2025) ==
:Okay. Hope things are going well for you :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


== Your indefinite semi-protection of [[John Laws]] ==


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::::I don't think that quizzing me back "guess why?" is a conducive way forward.
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Nomenclature of fungi

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Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of Nova Hedwigia Beheift titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? Circeus 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be friggin' trés bién. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is Agaricus which was called Psalliota in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are Amanita muscaria, which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, Gyromitra esculenta as a future FA, Agaricus bisporus as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels – Amanita virosa, Amanita bisporiga and Amanita verna. Boletus edulis would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for Amanita). I'll look up Agaricus, Amanita (since A. muscaria's the current type) and Psalliota. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. Circeus 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, keen to see what pops up. Cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (Donk, M.A. (1962). "The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae". Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia. 5: 1–320. ISSN 0078-2238.) because I forgot about it until the last minute. Psalliota looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with Agaricus, and might be older. Circeus 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things Agaricus so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th–19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is a right mess. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???

LOTS of "per" in citation here. See [1]

On Agaricus
Etym.: Possibly "from Agarica of Sarmatica, a district of Russia" (!). Note also Greek ἀγαρικ[1]όν "a sort of tree fungus" (There's been an Agaricon Adans. genus, treated by Donk in Persoonia 1:180)
Donk says Linnaeus' name is devalidated (so that the proper author citation apparently is "L. per Fr., 1821") because Agaricus was not linked to Tournefort's name (Linnaeus places both Agaricus Dill. and Amanita Dill. in synonymy), but truely a replacement for Amanita Dill., which would require that A. quercinus, not A. campestris be the type. This question compounded by the fact that Fries himself used Agaricus roughly in Linnaeus' sense (which leads to issues with Amanita), and that A. campestris was eventually excluded from Agaricus by Karsten and was apparently in Lepiota at the time Donk wrote this, commenting that a type conservation might become necessary.
All proposals to conserve Agaricus against Psalliota or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.

References

  1. ^ Letter is script and looks like a Russian и.
On Lepiota
Etym. Probably greek λεπις, "scale"
Basionym is Agaricus sect. Lepiota Pers. 1797, devalidated by later starting date, so the citation is (Pers.) per S.F.Gray. It was only described, without species, and covered an earlier mentioned, but unnamed group of ringed, non-volvate species, regardless of spore color. Fries restricted the genus to white-spored species, and made into a tribe, which was, like Amanita repeatedly raised to genus rank.
The type is unclear. L. procera is considered the type (by Earle, 1909). Agaricus columbrinus (L. clypeolarus) was also suggested (by Singer, 1946) to avoid the many combination involved otherwise in splitting Macrolepiota, which include L. procera. Since both species had been placed into different genera prior to their selection (in Leucocoprinus and Mastocephalus respectively), Donk observes that a conservation will probably be needed, expressing support for Singer's emendation.
On Psalliota
Etym.: ψάλιον, "ring"
Psalliota was first published by Fries (1821) as trib. Psalliota. The type is Agaricus campestris (widely accepted, except by Earle, who proposed A. cretaceus). Kummer (not Quélet, who merely excluded Stropharia) was the first to elevate the tribe to a genus. Basically, Psalliota was the tribe containing the type of Agaricus, so when separated, it should have caused the rest of the genus to be renamed, not what happened. It seems to be currently not considered valid, or a junior homotypic synonym, anyway the explanation is that it was raised by (in retrospect) erroneously maintaining the tribe name.
On Amanita
Etym.: Possibly from Amanon,a mountain in Cilicia.

A first incarnation from Tentamen dispositionis methodicae Fungorum 65. 1797 is cited as devalidated: "Introduced to cover three groups already previously distinguished by Persoon (in [...] Tent. 18. 1797) under Agaricus L., but at that time not named. It is worth stressing that [The species now known as Amanita caesarea] was not mentioned."

With Agaricus L. in use, Amanita was a nomen nudum per modern standard, so Persoon gave it a new life unrelated to its previous incarnations, and that is finally published after a starting date by Hooker (the citation is Pers. per Hook., 1821). He reuses Withering's 1801 definition (A botanical arrangement of British plants, 4th ed.). "The name Amnita has been considered validly published on different occasions, depending on various considerations." Proposed types include (given as Amanita. Sometimes they were selected as Agarici):
  • A. livida Pers. (By Earle, in 1909). Had been excluded in Vaginata or Amanitopsis and could not be chosen.
  • A. muscaria Pers. (By Clemens & Shear, 1931) for the genus (1801) from Synopsis fungorum, was generally transferred to the one from Hooker's Flora of Scotland, which is currently considered the valid publication of Amanita (or was in the 50s).
  • A. phalloides (by Singer, 1936) for the 1801 genus.
  • A.bulbosa (by Singer & Smith, 1946) for Gray's republication. This is incorrect as Gray's A. bulbosa is a synonym of A. citrina. Some authors consider Gray to be the first valid republisher.
  • A. caeserea (by Gilbert, 1940). Troublesome because not known personally to Persoon or Fries.

Donk concludes the earliest valid type is A. muscaria, the species in Hooker, adding that he'd personally favor A. citrina.

The name has been republished three times in 1821: in Hooker, Roques and Gray (in that order). Roques maintained Persoon's circumscription, including Amanitopsis and Volvaria. Gray excluded Amanitopsis and Volvariella into Vaginata. Right after, Fries reset the name by reducing the genus to a tribe of Agaricus, minus pink-spored Volvariella. This tribe became a subgenus, than genus via various authors, Quélet, altough not the first, often being attributed the change. Sometimes it was used in a Persoonian sense (whether that is a correct use according to ICBN is not clear to me).
Homonyms of Amanita Pers. are Amanita adans. (1763, devalidated) and Amanita (Dill) Rafin. (1830)
On Boletus
Not including (Not in Agaricaceae, sorry).

Phew! Circeus 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. Circeus 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I love your sense of humour. Maimonedes is a good reference. The reality is that Islam takes food restrictions from Judaism; and Christianity doesn't have any restriction (courtesy of three references in the New Testament). The reason why pork should be restricted (along with many other things) is not given explicitly in the Hebrew Bible, hence Bible commentators have been offering guesses since ancient times. My own favourite, however, is Mary Douglas, wife of Louis Leakey, daughter of a Lutheran pastor. Her theory is excellent, based on her cultural anthropological observations, with a decent feel for how Biblical text works. It's rather an abstract theory though. Anyway, I'll see if I can manage a literature review of dietry restrictions in the ANE, especially if there's anything explicit about pork. Don't think I'll find a reference for "why" the pork taboo is in place, though, if it's documented, I'd have read about that in commentaries. Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( Alastair Haines (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Scotish pork taboo is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. Alastair Haines (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the Maimonides comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, Gid Hanasheh etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork – an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a midrashic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment – he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --Dweller (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has tagged the Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --Dweller (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have found good stuff, including online version of Maimonides text. I'll dump it here for you to use as you wish.

I maintain that the food which is forbidden by the Law is unwholesome. There is nothing among the forbidden kinds of food whose injurious character is doubted, except pork (Lev. xi. 7), and fat (ibid. vii. 23). But also in these cases the doubt is not justified. For pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter. The principal reason why the Law forbids swine's flesh is to be found in the circumstance that its habits and its food are very dirty and loathsome. It has already been pointed out how emphatically the Law enjoins the removal of the sight of loathsome objects, even in the field and in the camp; how much more objectionable is such a sight in towns. But if it were allowed to eat swine's flesh, the streets and houses would be more dirty than any cesspool, as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks.[1]

So, Maimonides argues "pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter", whatever that means! More importantly, the "principal reason" is that if you keep pigs, you end up with a dirty and unhealthy environment. Important note: Maimonides was writing from Islamic Egypt at the time, which is why he mentions "as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks." (ie France)

The comments about the pig's habit of lying with its legs outstretched come from Midrash Vayikra Rabba (ch 13) where it is mentioned as part of an elaborate metaphor, but not in connection with any reason for particularly abhorring the creature.

Hope that helps. --Dweller (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Maimonides, Guide for the perplexed, Book III ch.48. Can be viewed online at http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp184.htm

Bract pattern

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You know what I don't get? On page 245 of George (1981), and again on page 40 of Collins (2007), George gives a diagram showing the arrangement of unit inflorescences on a Banksia flower spike. Both diagrams clearly show a hexagonal layout; i.e. every common bract is surrounded by six equidistant common bracts, thus forming little hexagons. In support of this, George (1981) states "The unit inflorescences are so arranged on the axis that there are three pattern lines—vertical, and both dextral and sinistral spiral."

I haven't dissected an inflorescence, but in some species the pattern persists right through flowering and can be seen on the infructescence. You won't get a better example than this B. menziesii cone. Look at that pattern. There's no way you could call it hexagonal. It is a rectangular (or rather diamond, since the lines are diagonal) grid. Depending on how you define a neighbourhood, you could argue that each common bract has 4 or 8 neighbours, but there's no way you could argue for 6. Similarly, you could argue for two pattern lines (dextral and sinistral spiral) or four (dextral, sinistral, vertical and horizontal), but there is no way you could argue for 3, because there is no reason to include vertical whilst excluding horizontal). On top of that there is a beautiful symmetry in the way each common bract is surrounded by its own floral bracts and those of its neighbours. But George's diagrams destroy that symmetry.

I thought maybe B. menziesii was an exception to a general rule, but you can see the same diamond grid, though not as clearly, in File:Banksia serrata4.jpg, and I reckon (but am not certain) I can see it in my B. attenuata cone. And in File:Banksia prionotes mature cone.jpg too. What the heck is going on?

(I'm not just being a pretentious wanker here. I thought the diagram was interesting and informative enough for me to whip up an SVG version for Wikipedia. But since copying George's diagram isn't really on, and it is much better to go straight from nature if possible, I was basing my version on this B. menziesii cone. But it isn't going to work if the diagram shows a rectangular grid and the text has to say it is hexagonal.)

Hesperian 13:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me on this one – I think it was Alex (or Kevin??) who told me that every bract pattern was unique to a species and hence diagnostic, but as far as I know not much if anything has been published on this area. The similarity between archaeocarpa and attenuata was noted (the bract pattern remaining in the fossils). I seem to recall feeling bamboozled as well by the description when I read it some time ago. I will have to refresh myself with some bedtime reading....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I had a look at the pages in question in the banksia book(s), there is a little bit more in the 1981 monograph but not much. I meant to ring Alex George about this and should do so in the next few days...I guess the photos look sort of like hexagons stretched vertically :P Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dipsacus fullonum Just passing through. I am not an expert with flora but I do take photos now and again. Does this image from my personal collection help or hinder your discussion? I see diamonds --Senra (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Haha yeah. Not a bad comparison at all. a diamond pattern it is there as well. You sorta let your eyes go a little out of focus and see two diagonal lines....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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If this is what developing flower pairs look like...
then what are these brown and white furry things?

I note that the last six images to be posted on your talk page were posted by me. I'm not sure whether to apologise....

What is going on in the lower image? Clearly this is an inflorescence in very early bud, but those furry white things are apparently not developing flower pairs. Are they some kind of protective bract or something?

Hesperian 01:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You certainly see those thingies on the developing buds of alot of banksias. I'd be intrigued what the Nikulinsky book, which is essentially a series of plates of a developing menziesii inflorescence, says (not sure, I don't recall whether it had commentary...). Another thing to look up. Was about to look up the patterns just now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have looked at the books and bract architecture, question is are they common bracts or are they something which falls off (don't think so but..). Something else to ask Alex. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having found nothing in George, I've been reading Douglas's stuff on ontogeny of Proteaceae flowers, and found nothing there either.

If you snap a spike axis in half, they are just that brown colour, and essentially made of closely packed fuzz. I wonder if there is initially no gap in the axis for the flower to grow, so the developing flower literally has to shove some of the axis out in front of it as it extends. This would explain everything except for the white tip. Hesperian 10:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I have today taken a long lunch and gone bushwalking with Gnangarra. While he took happy-snaps, I did some OR on this question. My diagnosis is: these are peduncles that have developed common bracts, but have not yet developed floral bracts or flowers.

In very young spikes like the one pictured here, they are not yet very densely packed together, so they can be perceived as individual peduncles. Given time, they will continue to grow, and as they do so they will become more and more densely packed together, until eventually they are jammed together so tightly that their dense coverings of hairs form the fibrous brown material that comprises a typical flower spike, and the common bracts at their apex will form the bract pattern on the surface of the spike. At that point, they will no longer be distinguishable as individual peduncles, but will simply be part of the spike.

When the flowers start to develop, they get squeezed together even more. At this point, sometimes, a peduncle may break off the axis and be squeezed right out of the spike as the flowers around it develop. Thus you may see one or two of these furry things sitting at random positions on the surface of a developed flower spike.

As evidence for this hypothesis I offer the following observations:

  1. Wherever one of those "furry things" is found loose on the surface of a spike, you will also find a gap in the bract pattern beneath it, where the common bract is absent;
  2. "Furry things" may occasionally be found partly out of the spike, but partly in, in which cases the white tip is quite obviously the common bract. In such cases removal of the "furry thing" leaves behind a visible hole in the spike where a common bract ought to be.

Hesperian 05:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting – Gah! Forgot to ring Alex – evening is a crazy time with little availability for me, but will see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not OR any more. Look at the picture of "Banksia flower bud seen in profile" here: clear evidence of the common and floral bracts forming one of those little furry upside-down pyramids, with the flower arising from it. Hesperian 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On a tangential point, the first image would most likely pass FPC if it ever finds a home that is appropriate. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, okay, hopefully Hesperian will see this thread. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gosh, would it really?! I was quite proud of it but a bit unsure whether it had enough depth of field. But if I'll take anyone's word that it would probably pass, I'll take Noodle snacks. :-) Hesperian 23:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia menziesii with persistent florets

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While I was out a-walking in the bush one day last week, I spied a banksia with an unfamiliar jizz. Even on closer inspection I was bamboozled for half a minute until the pieces fell together and I realised I was looking at a B. menziesii with persistent florets. Not just a bit late to fall: there were old cones from previous seasons with the florets still bolted on. In fact, there wasn't a single bald cone on the whole tree. I've never seen anything like it. Have you? Hesperian 04:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm..interesting. I have not ever noticed a menziesii like this, but not to say it can't happen. Might it be a menziesii/prionotes hybrid – how far is the tree from you? I'd compare the newgrowth/leaf dimensions/trunk all for comparison. Did it have any new flowers? Some of these old cones have an aura of prionotes about them...Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
prionotes crossed my mind at first, but the bark is that of menziesii, and nothing like the distinctive prionotes bark. And the flower spikes lack the woolliness of old prionotes florets.

It's quite near my place; about ten minutes drive. Even closer to where Alex lives (assuming he still lives at the address he has been publishing under lately): only five minutes drive from there I would guess. If it's prionotes (which it isn't), then we've extended the known range of that species 10km south. Likewise, a hybrid means there's a prionotes population nearby, so it amounts to the same thing. Hesperian 05:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I finally made it to the library and got a hold of the article you had asked about a couple of weeks ago. There's enough info there to make DYK-worthy stubs on the genus, and three of the species (macrocarpus, katerinae, toomanis), or, alternatively, maybe enough for a GA on the genus. What are the chances of images? Apparently these fungi make small but visible apothecia on the seed capsules. Berkeley and Broome first wrote about the fungus in 1887, so maybe there's a sketch from the protologue that's useable. Anyway, I'll start adding text in a day or two and maybe we can have the first Banksia/Fungi wikiproject collaboration? Sasata (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Berkeley & Broome (1887) is online at http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13683 — see page 217. There is a picture at Plate 29 figure 18. Hesperian 02:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a nice image on plate 29 there. They call it Tympanis toomanis on page 224 decription of plate. How do we capture that image and replicate it on commons? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Like this. Hesperian 03:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On page 222, they talk about finding it on a banksia cone near the Tooma River in southern NSW, which leaves me thinking it is a cone of Banksia marginata although they do not state this (OR alert ++++). Funny looking marginata cone but marginata is a hugely variable species....Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Check your email; I've sent you a copy of Beaton (1982), where they do state that the cone is B. marginata. (You guys should have asked me first; I could have saved Sasata a walk to the library.) Hesperian 03:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@Sasata – I'll leave it up to you whether a solid GA and one DYK for the whole shebang, or 4 species articles – you've got the material and I am happy either way. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Am working on the article behind-the-scenes now... that picture you uploaded is excellent, and thanks Hesp for finding the protologue. Too bad the scan resolution is so crappy; I can upload a screen capture/crop to Commons, but will first investigate to see if there's a copy of the original around here so I might rescan at higher resolution. Four DYKs and 1 GA doesn't sound unreasonable for the lot, but I'll see what I can come up with. Sasata (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The resolution is good. I guess you were looking at it at 25%. Try zooming in. Hesperian 03:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it'll do the trick. I gave the article a good push towards GA. Hesp, do you have easy access to Beaton 1984, or maybe Fuhrer, B,; May, T. (1993). "Host specificity of disc-fungi in the genus Banksiamyces on Banksia." Victorian Naturalist (South Yarra) 110 (2):73–75? I think once those two are located and added, that'll be it from journals (but you may find stuff to add from your Banksia books?). I could start stubs for the species, but it would be a shame to have to leave out B. maccannii. Sasata (talk) 07:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can probably get Vic Naturalist at UNSW Library next tuesday or friday (slim chance on weekend). Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When you get to Victorian Naturalist, you'll also want to grab Sommerville, K.; May, T. (2006). "Some taxonomic and ecological observations on Banksiamyces". The Victorian Naturalist. 123: 366–375.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Hesperian 08:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding that, wonder why it didn't show up in my database search. Cas, if it's too mush hassle for you to get these, let me know and I can order them, would take 1–2 weeks to get here.
I'll have easy access to Beaton (1984) on Monday. No access to Victorian Naturalist. Hesperian 08:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot again. I've just scanned it now. Cas: I'll forward shortly; if you have Sasata's email address, can you forward it on please? Otherwise, Sasata: send me an email so I know where to send this scan. Hesperian 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any email link on your user page... I can wait until Cas forward a copy. Thanks kindly Sasata (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you've never noticed the "Email this user" link in the sidebar toolbox.... Hesperian 23:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
! Wouldya look at that... That's embarrassing! Now excuse me while I go give eyewitness testimony in a murder trial. Sasata (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on a sec, will send. Also, will be near the library again for Vic Naturalist. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hahaha. Fantastic. I just realised I never uplaoded a funny photo I took in WA a few years ago. I need to double check.
This old cone of Banksia violacea had these dark objects on it which might be a fungus as they certainly weren't on any other cones I saw about the place.
Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As OZtrylia has a notoriously under described rang of and field of mycology study – any signs of further fungi or algae work is to be encouraged at all points SatuSuro 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Taking pity on poor Cas, whose Banksia books are still packed up in boxes:

From Collins, Collins and George (2008), page 47, first paragraph of a section entitled "Fungi and lichens":

"Many kinds of fungi are associated with Banksias. There is even a genus of fungi named for their association with these plants—Banksiamyces. The first species of these was recognised in the 1880s and placed in the genus Tympanis, then in the 1950s transferred to the genus Encoelia. Further collections and research led to the description of the genus Banksiamyces by Beaton and Weste in 1982, with two further species. Six taxa are now recognised, so far known from 13 species of Banksia (Sommerville & May, 2006). Commonly known as banksia discs, they have all been found on eastern Australian Banksias and one is also known in Western Australia. They are discomycete fungi, growing on the fruit and appearing as small, shallow dark cups on the follicles (Fuhrer, 2005). When dry they fold inwards and look like narrow slits. Their effect is unk[n]own but it seems unlikely that they are responsible for degradation of the seeds."

At the bottom of the page there is a photo of Banksiamyces on B. lemanniana. They look like little light grey maggots on the follicles. Based on the photo and textual description, I would suggest that the B. violacea photo doesn't show this genus. Hesperian 11:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, that's what I initially thought when I read the description and sketches in Beaton 1982, but after seeing B&B's 1872 sketches, I was pretty sure Cas's pic was a Banksiamyces. I guess I should reserve judgment until I get more info. Sasata (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From the abstract of Somerville and May 2006: "Apothecia of these crops are of different macroscopic appearance, with lighter apothecia being mostly immature, and darker apothecia producing spores." ... so who knows? Sasata (talk) 17:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anything else to add to this article? Shall we put it up for GAN? Sasata (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah put it up, there might be some bits and pieces. I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any Banksia experts you're chums with that might be able to give a confirmation on your putative Banksiamyces photo? Sasata (talk) 05:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
damn, I meant to contact Tom May about it (who has been helpful before). Will dig up his email and see what he says. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to have a look there as well. Appears to have been improved by a Szasz fan. I've read diagonally this article, but even that doesn't seem to support the light in which the Halpern-Szasz issue is presented in Wikipedia. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just go back from a weekend break with no innernet..now where was I.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aboriginal Astronomy

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Hi Casliber – thanks for your note. Yes there's quite a bit more out there which Duane Hamacher and I are slowly trying to get written up. You can find some more stuff on www.emudreaming.com and you may find some papers you havent come across on http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/papers.htm

Have fun! RayNorris (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I'll have a look and if I find anything specific to nag you on...I will :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orange-bellied Parrot

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Neophema99 (talk) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC) Hi. I would like to open for discussion the format of the entry for 'Orange-bellied Parrot'. As news occurs in the recovery program for this species, the limitations of the current format of the Wikipedia entry become more obvious. The heading, 'Conservation Status' should, I believe, be reserved for the actual conservation status in Australia, and in the three states, SA, Tasmania and Victoria. What follows after that, but still under that heading, at present, is a running commentary of events since about 2010. This is not acceptable. I propose another heading be inserted, 'Recovery Program' or similar. In it, a short history of the OBP recovery program could be given – since 1980 or so – and then, new events could be smoothly inserted as they happen. What do others think? The Wikipedia entry is an important first port of call for many people interested in this bird. We owe it to them, and to history, to provide a better entry.[reply]

Neophema99 (talk) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Will take a look. sounds good – helps with seamless updating and no doubt there is a lot of info that could be added. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

got any advice for writing a constellation FA?

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Thinking of diversifying and trying Corona B. Double sharp (talk) 16:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's easier than stars as there is less hardcore physics involved, but trickier as you have to make the material not "listy", which it sort of is by very nature. Smaller constellations are easier as there is less material to list generally. Star guide books, alot of which are on google, are good for general overview, how to find things, what's next to what etc. but alot of their factual info (distance/luminosity) is outdated. I have even suspected this in newer reprints/editions where new material is coming out. SIMBAD is a godsend and makes finding other material easy. I was using it as a ref itself but probably better to use the refs it cites. Overall I find astronomy articles more challenging than biology ones – trickeir to make engaging. We can collaborate on CrB if you like as I did plan on taking it All the Way at some point and then having it as a double mainpage with CrA. Collaborating is good as it makes for less work in some ways – each of us can copyeidt the other etc. 20:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Just popping in during some of the rare free time I have at the moment to say that the hardest part of the constellation articles is figuring out exactly what objects to write about, since there is generally quite a bit of discretion in whether or not something should be in the article. I generally try to write about all stars brighter than magnitude 5.0, and the most-studied astronomical objects within the constellation, as well as a few other things such as extremes (e.g. R136a1) and unusual objects. One tip to find notable stars, I've found, is this SIMBAD query, which lists all Bayer, Flamsteed, and variable stars in each constellation by number of refs. Of course further research is necessary for other stars without said designations, but it's a good start. I would help, but I don't anticipate having much free time at all until at least December. StringTheory11 (t • c) 21:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
StringTheory11 Wow! Great idea/find! That really helps. Agree with what you've said. I think it is good to get these in order as it also highlights what other articles are underdone or incorrect etc. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yup the small size was part of the reason I chose CrB (it's not the only reason though :-P). I'm cool with a collaboration. ST11's suggestions, as always, make a lot of sense. Going to read through some constellation FAs to get an idea of what to write – not least CrA... Double sharp (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Double sharp, I have started buffing with this one. Just arting with the brighter stars – SIMBAD is best place to start and then chasing refs. Not sure how much you know about them (figuring distance from parallax etc...) so just ask away..or start on deep sky objects and I'll continue with stars (??) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The carcinoma in situ page has been updated and it explains the different views that sometimes carcinoma in situ is seen as a cancer and sometimes it is not. You will probably remember earlier this year that you supported changing my use of the term "invasive cancer" to "cancer". The expression "invasive cancer" is used frequently in books particularly when talking about cancer of the cervix and in my opinion using the term "invasive cancer" can improve clarity. What do you think of the explanations in the carcinoma in situ article? Snowman (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As it reads right now, which ones are you thinking should have invasive added to them? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, I have phrased it badly above, but you seem to have understood me. I should have said that you did not support my use of "invasive cancer" and you preferred the use of "cancer" instead. Actually, to me, it is not as simple as just inserting the word "invasive". Back then, I saw a better phrase in a reference and I thought about using it, because I thought that it would be accurate, readable, and I hoped keep everyone happy; however, the situation become unnecessarily tense and I felt like I was walking on eggs (and you know what that means). I did not get around to developing the article any further nor mentioning the "magical" phrase. I will see if I can find the phrase again. I recall that the solution was to use a short phrase in the place of cancer or invasive cancer in the introduction. I am talking in riddles at the present time, because I want to make sure that I can find that phrase again, and that will mean thinking about the introduction again. Snowman (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let me know what you are thinking of once you get it clear. It is an intriguing question. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend the amendment belew, because the demarcation between non-cancer and cancer varies according to the literature, as we have seen, and this is made more difficult by a simplified language and vocabulary used to communicate the complex situation to patients. A definition of cancer that includes in-situ cancer is well established, but perhaps the world of the cytologist or histopathologist is a small world, where to say "invasive cancer" is not unusual. This is the current line in the introduction; "Cervical cytology tests can often detect precursors of cervical cancer and enable early successful treatment.". I think that it would be more accurate if it said something like; "The main aim of cervical cytology screening is to detect precursors of cancer and early cervical cancer to enable early successful treatment.". In this new line a full spectrum from viral changes to dysplasia to carcinoma-in-situ to early invasive cancer is included, so the controversy over where to put the non-cancer/cancer line disappears, and the meaning is clear no matter where the reader puts the line in his or her own mind-map. Snowman (talk) 13:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded it like this to make it flow better yet be inclusive and cover all interpretations. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
After some deep thought, I think that your edit is good enough. Snowman (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • What do you think about making a joint nomination with me to take the cervix article to FA review sometime? I would not be planning to edit much of the "History" and "Other animals" sections, because I do not know much about those topics. I am not usually on the nominator's side of the fence, but I would be willing to step into that role here, partly to test the water. Snowman (talk) 13:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is a good idea – the prerequisites for being a nominator are being reasonably familar with the article and having the ability to address issues raised at FAC. Do you see anything else that needs fixing before listing it at FAC? 02:15, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh good. I would like to have a long look at the article before FA nomination, and I expect that I will not feel happy with the article as a potential FA nomination for several weeks. There is some content and page organization in the article (as it is now) that I would like to reflect on. The peer review is also worth re-visiting to see what was not achieved there. I will probably attempt to start a few discussions on the article talk page where relevant. Do you have any time frame in mind or any particular schedule of your own to work around? Of course, I would ask you to constructively criticize my work whenever you think that anything can be improved, and I will try to focus on the issue and answer honestly and objectively trying not to be fractious nor stubborn, with a view to learning from my errors. It think that it will work better like that, than keeping quite or not speaking up when you do not agree with your co-nominator. I am saying that because I guessed that you have not felt easy about not supporting your co-nominator in FA reviews previously. Also, as before, please be alert to my writing style, which can sometimes need re-phrasing owing to clumsy grammar, although the content is often unambiguous (to me at least). Apart from that, it could be challenging writing for general readers and even more challenging writing for specialist readers that are unfamiliar with the small world of histopathology. Snowman (talk) 12:08, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Snowmanradio I have no time scale on this so it sorta takes as long as it takes. The refs need fixing for page numbers. The material is pretty good – only thing from PR left is double checking lymphatic drainage really I thought. Anyway. Posting things step by step on talk page is good. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would have though that the "Function" heading would be about normal function. Surly, putting a barrier in front of the cx is not a normal function of the cervix. Also, oc pills are more about pharmacology and modified functioning of the cervix. Should the "Contraception" heading have its own level-2 heading? This has been discussed before, but it is worth starting another discussion on the talk page about this? Snowman (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the human altering of function is fine there. I think it is fine as a level 3 heading underneath function Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When medicines affect function, it is called pharmacology. Snowman (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the introduction; "... the cervix is usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in shape". Change to: ?
1. "... the cervix is cylindrically shaped usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in cross section".
2. "... the cervix is usually between 2 and 3 cm long and roughly round in in cross section" Snowman (talk) 17:30, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the first one or something like it – will take a look now. I wonder if the fact it is roughly cylindrical makes saying it's round in cross-section redundant. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:22, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your amendment looks find to me. Snowman (talk) 11:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Snowmanradio Yes that sounds like a good idea. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I expect that I will add some when I do some editing there. Snowman (talk) 20:47, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it should be merged. Will post something. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I plan to watch for a while and express an opinion, if needed. Snowman (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is off to a good start over there. I think that there is nothing on the unreferenced portio page that can be copied over to the cervix page. We could start planing how to present the portio (and its various names) on the cervix page. Snowman (talk) 12:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In have found what to me looks like a 2003 copyrighted version of File:Cervix dilation sequence.svg, so I have started a deletion discussion on Commons. Commons administrators will now have a look at it. Initially, I left an message with the uploader on Commons to ask a technical question about the image, and I noticed that he is currently blocked for three months, so I did a search for other copies of the cervix dilation image. The image should show the babies head moving down the birth canal as the cervix dilates, but the head looks stuck. The image is on about a dozen or more Wikis, so they might all be removed by a bot in due course. I am not sure if the image needs removing from the Cervix page at this juncture or not, so I wonder what you think about removal from the en Wiki. Snowman (talk) 09:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear – I suspect it will have to be removed, though maybe hold for a moment and see if an explanation is forthcoming. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I recently found a photograph of a rare parrot with the wrong copyright and it was deleted from Commons one week after I started the deletion discussion. Snowman (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds in keeping with deletion discussions elsehwere – around 1 week. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:17, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Image was deleted this yesterday. Snowman (talk) 13:10, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Cervical cancer article has had a lot of work on it since about June, and it is well worth looking at. I expect that we could shorten (or otherwise amend) the section on cervical cancer in the "cervix" article, because the "cervical cancer" article offers a good readable account. Snowman (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowmanradio: I will take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re HPV vaccines. Sometimes, I like to tidy up the linked pages. This article was moved from the singular to the pleural in March 2014. I am aware that there is more than one HPV vaccine, but I would expect this to be on the singular name, unless there something controversial about it that I have missed. Snowman (talk) 12:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowmanradio: yes that is unusual and I think I prefer it at singular. I think it is worth discussing on the talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Anatomical abnormalities" section looks like a mixture of acquired and congenital diseases. Could this be organized differently? I nearly did a reorganization, but a little re-organization does not change much, and I suspect that it would be easier to do a bit of a re-write. Also, it may be possible to expand the section with a little about the developmental abnormalities of the female genital tract seen in Cryptophthalmos syndrome, Johanson-Blizzard syndrome, Rokitansky Anomalod, and as less commonly seen in Roberts syndrome and Trisomy 18 syndrome. These diseases are not at the front of my mind, however these are in the index of my rather old second-hand book on human malformation. This is not a small change, so I welcome your opinion. Snowman (talk) 13:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowmanradio: let me take a look. I don't recall it right now and I thought I was happy with it before but will look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have become unexpectedly busy in real life, so I have not had much time for editing the Wiki. I hope that I will be able to contribute with more editing and work on the cervix article again after about two or three months . Snowman (talk) 10:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowmanradio: no worries. I found that I have lost interest in it. My free time (of which I have little) has to be enjoyable and thus something I have real enthusiasm for. I found I did get a bit enthusiastic about this one but comes and goes. More interested in frigatebird and brachychiton rupestris now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also orange-bellied parrot – very interesting story. I find writing about extinct species makes me sad (I leave them to FunkMonk) but rare ones are ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from manual editing, I was hoping to write a few scripts for fun to do scanning and mass editing tasks on the Wiki this Autumn and Winter, but can not participate in a meaningful way at the present time. I plan to return when I can and I will look to see what you and User FunkMonk are doing then. Incidentally, have you any thoughts on why discussions about anatomy topics tend to be rather brittle? I might ask that question on the WP Anatomy talk page. Snowman (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by 'brittle'? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will ask open-ended questions instead. Do you have any observations about discussions on anatomy topics? Snowman (talk) 12:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Running a contest (talk page watchers welcome)

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Right folks...I can't decide which (long overdue) contest to run again. Putting this out there to see what folks reckon the 'pedia most needs or would be most fun (as without enthusiasm, it won't work). For folks unfamiliar, I try to get a wikigrant so several folks have a chance of winning a $25 (or more) Amazon voucher. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Letting you know that the edit notice is now live - if you edit any article with refideas listed on the talk page, you will get the notification. :) You can click "edit" on Call of Cthulhu (role-playing game) to see it in action, if you have not already seen it. :) BOZ (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-FA review?

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Hi Cas: I'm wondering if I can get you to cast your seasoned eye over lichen growth forms. I'm going to try for FA, and wonder if you – as someone not particularly interested in lichens – find any of it hard to understand or lacking in information. Any comments much appreciated! MeegsC (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to/A pleasure. But busy so ping me if you haven't seen me there in 3 days or so. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Cas. Edits and comments on the blurb are welcome. I'm thinking of running this at TFA on January 11; does that work for you? It hasn't changed much since your edits in 2019, and Jim has recently looked at it, so I think we're in good shape. - Dank (push to talk) 18:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is just crying out for your expertise. Enjoy! Drmies (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you're on your way to the library: good! Thanks! Drmies (talk) 13:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 49, 2023)

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A Mountfield church in East Sussex
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East Sussex

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FAC request

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Hi Cas, I hope that things are going well for you. While I am not keen to add to your list of unsolicited requests, Teloschistaceae is at FAC and could do with both another review and a look through by a knowledgeable editor. If you felt up to providing either of those, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ooo, interesting. I'll take a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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International trade law

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This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2023)

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Online encyclopedias, also called Internet encyclopedias, are digital encyclopedias accessible through the Internet.
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Online encyclopedia

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Merry Christmas!

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A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus!

Cheers

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Time to unprotect Ivy League?

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Over a decade ago, you semiprotected Ivy League. Can you please remove that protection so we can see if it's still necessary? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, let's see how this goes. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings!

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Merry Christmas!

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I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. Feel free to take a "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" if you prefer.  :) BOZ (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

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Merry Christmas, Casliber!
Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 15:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Cycle between autotrophs and heterotrophs: autotrophs use light, carbon dioxide, and water to form oxygen and organic compounds, mainly through the process of photosynthesis (green arrow).
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Carbon source (biology)

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TFA

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December: story · music · places

Thank you today for Masked booby, "about another sulid". Thank you also for another year of great contributions, and best wishes for 2024! For me, 2023 was a year of stories, and a click on "music" will give you the latest music and memories, promised. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year

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Happy New Year!
Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heh thanks - and ditto! To everyone who has posted here in this festive season! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 1, 2024)

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Fish slice

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Welcome to the 2024 WikiCup!

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This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2024)

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An antacid is a substance which neutralizes stomach acidity and is used to relieve heartburn, indigestion or an upset stomach.
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Antacid

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TFA

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Thank you today for Rock parrot, "about a cute little parrot that has not been much-studied...meaning it is a shorter article than many bird articles"!

-- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a DYK, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2024)

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Shovel

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Visualization of one newton of force
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Newton (unit)

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This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2024)

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Mahatma Gandhi with a young Indira Ghandi, during his fast in 1924
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Hunger strike

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Mentor request

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Hi,

seeing that you're the only one of the mentors listed at WP:FAM naming astronomy among his interests, I would like to request mentoring from you before an FA nomination of Near-Earth object. For some background: I achieved GA for that article back in 2018, and have recently restored it to that level. I have attempted to bring an article to FA once (in a completely different field: railways), but aborted it for some reason - after lots of work based on helpful reviews, which taught me about some finer points of the English language and citation templates -, and it was 13 years ago, so I barely remember it & standards probably changed a lot since.Rontombontom (talk) 17:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I'll take a look. Cool article BTW. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have the time, could you please take another look at the article, and tell it it's now ready for FA nomination? Over the past two weeks, I have re-ordered the history, impacts & close approaches sections in a sequence that seems logical, trimmed some sections covered in greater detail in linked articles, and changed access/archive date format after all. Rontombontom (talk) 09:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2024)

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Various pâtés
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Pâté

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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter

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The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer Generalissima (submissions), who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2024)

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Uncooked rigatoni
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Rigatoni

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CS1 error on Haborodelphis

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This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2024)

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Foreign policy

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Beer

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I obviously owe you one. Thanks! 86.177.202.213 (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A beer on me!
Heh one day... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2024)

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Economy of South America

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WikiCup 2024 March newsletter

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The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to Vami_IV (submissions), who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2024)

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Community service

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This week's article for improvement (week 11, 2024)

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Religious music

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RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

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Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

  • Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
  • Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
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Reminder: GA backlog drive

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Hello! Just a reminder that, if you have time, you are welcome to join the GA backlog drive; it runs until the end of March. You are receiving this message because you signed up on the drive page but have not yet listed any reviews. We hope to see you there! Either way, happy editing! —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TCC 2024

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Hi Cas, any interest in judging again for TCC this year? Myself and Femke are already interested. If you're too busy, I'm happy to find someone else. Best – Aza24 (talk) 05:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to do so. Will head over to look at discussion. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just made a few small edits; feel free to revert or discuss. - Dank (push to talk) 16:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're good/improvements. thx. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2024)

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File:Bucaram foto.png
Abdalá Bucaram
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Abdalá Bucaram

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Signups open for The Core Contest 2024

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The Core Contest—Wikipedia's most exciting contest—returns again this year from April 15 to May 31. The goal: to improve vital or other core articles, with a focus on those in the worst state of disrepair. Editing can be done individually, but in the past groups have also successfully competed. There is £300 of prize money divided among editors who provide the "best additive encyclopedic value". Signups are open now. Cheers from the judges, Femke, Casliber, Aza24. – Aza24 (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Move protection of Gravity Falls (season 2)

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In 2015, you had protected the page to temporarily restrict edits to autoconfirmed editors and at the same time, indefinitely restrict moves to sysops only. Is it OK with you to have the move protection to be dropped? – robertsky (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2024)

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Gabin in The Little Rebels (1955)
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Jean Gabin

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TFA

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story · music · places

Thank you today for the beautiful Telopea speciosissima, introduced (in 2010): "What's not to like? The state emblem and a darn fine flower at that....and it's been attracting birds and looking nice and red for over 60 million years....."! - I saw flowers on Madeira, and if you see me just naming one "red flower" and know better, please correct ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter

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We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2024)

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Antarctic

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This week's article for improvement (week 17, 2024)

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Full rack of fifteen balls, ready for the break shot
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Pool (cue sports)

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This week's article for improvement (week 18, 2024)

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A crewed submersible used for underwater exploration
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Exploration

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WikiCup 2024 May newsletter

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The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

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Problematic digital media use and Major depressive disorder

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Hello there! I noticed that you removed the Digital media addictions subsection from the Major depressive disorder article that was excerpted the Digital media use and mental health article Depression subsection. Considering that you are a psychiatrist and helped get the Major depressive disorder article up to featured article status (per your user page), I was wondering if you'd be willing to trim that section on the Digital media use and mental health article in accordance with WP:MEDSAY. I've been trying to improve the Digital media use and mental health article (hopefully to featured status if possible), initially by just tracking down systematic reviews and meta-analyses that find associations between the various problematic digital media use categories and recognized mental health disorders by the DSM and ICD and other human factors issues associated with problematic digital media use. Unfortunately, I am not a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist so all I can do is look things up using Google Scholar and often do not have access to entire articles. Another editor has raised issues with the article's layout at its talk page, if you have the time to comment on it. Thanks! -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, difficult topic and I have little time for the stuff I want to prioritise on as is. First thing, some context is good but too much is unnecessary - e.g. this paragraph is just too distant from the topic at hand. Am even unconvinced about whether the remaining paragraph is needed (leaning to not but need to read and think some more) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

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Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

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This week's article for improvement (week 19, 2024)

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Papyriform columns in the Luxor Temple
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Ancient Egyptian architecture

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This week's article for improvement (week 20, 2024)

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Tax return

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Nomination of RX Telescopii for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article RX Telescopii is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RX Telescopii until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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This week's article for improvement (week 21, 2024)

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News program

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This week's article for improvement (week 22, 2024)

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Logo used from the 1990s until acquisition by Oracle
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Sun Management Center

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This week's article for improvement (week 23, 2024)

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State of emergency

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This week's article for improvement (week 24, 2024)

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Turkish lira banknote
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National economy (Turkey)

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Mr. Two Hundred Thousand

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I MADE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND EDITS AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT AROUND MUCH ANYMORE I STILL GOT THIS STUPID T-SHIRT!!!
jp×g🗯️ 02:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Hyuk hyuk hyuk) fair point. I keep trying to reignite the fire...but hard competing as I've returned to being a DnD DM...competing priorities...sigh Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 25, 2024)

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Field hockey stick and ball
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Sports equipment

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This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2024)

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Breaking wave
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Breaking wave

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WikiCup 2024 July newsletter

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The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 27, 2024)

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Theo Jansen's Strandbeest, a group of planar walking mechanisms
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Mechanism (engineering)

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This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2024)

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Applied science

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This week's article for improvement (week 29, 2024)

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Ambush of Polish partisans against Russian forces during the January Uprising, 1863
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Ambush

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This week's article for improvement (week 30, 2024)

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Cape of Good Hope (left) and Cape Hangklip (right) in South Africa
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Cape (geography)

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This week's article for improvement (week 31, 2024)

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Calder's Flamingo in Chicago
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List of public art in Chicago

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This week's article for improvement (week 32, 2024)

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Smiling woman
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Happiness

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Humpback whale FA

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Do you think the article is Satisfactory? I could expand a little more, but I'd also like for your to participate since you were the original nominator. LittleJerry (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look. It's been a long time so will undoubtedly need something Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some more articles you could use [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] and [7] LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How are things going? Do you still plan on working on this. I would do it by myself but am a bit hesitant since I didn't nominate it and I may have already made it into the Ship of Theseus. LittleJerry (talk) 22:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 33, 2024)

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A fictional social network diagram
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Social experiment

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This week's article for improvement (week 34, 2024)

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Keygen

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This week's article for improvement (week 35, 2024)

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Director Sergio Leone (right) and actor Enzo Santaniello on the set of the film
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Once Upon a Time in the West

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You protected this article 5 years ago. I thought it could be unprotected as vandals would have long gone? LibStar (talk) 09:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's give unprotection a whirl. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks LibStar (talk) 22:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for British people

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British people has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2024 August newsletter

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The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:

Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 in the news credits, and at least 333 did you know credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed during Round 5, which starts on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Remember to claim your points within 14 days of earning them, and importantly, before the deadline on 31 October.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. An article you protected over a decade ago seemed to have its protection settings removed recently. Do you mind removing protection settings from its redirect as well?197.2.203.207 (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, why not. Done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 36, 2024)

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Cancel culture

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This week's article for improvement (week 37, 2024)

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Map of the Caroline Islands Archipelago
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Caroline Islands

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This week's article for improvement (week 38, 2024)

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Polling station

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This week's article for improvement (week 39, 2024)

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Human geography

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RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

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Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism of Gold standard articles by a person who's disruptive edits you've dealt with previously.

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Dear administrator. Can you please take a look into the edit history of these Karnataka dynasty pages

1) Chalukya_dynasty 2) Western_Chalukya_Empire 3) Kadamba_dynasty 4) Pallava_dynasty 5) Hoysala_Kingdom 6) Kalachuris_of_Kalyani

They have been continously getting vandalised by a Maratha caste IP looking to promote his caste. Please take a look at his edit history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2409:408C:ADB5:3805:E56B:A989:87F5:F563

I think similar edits were made by the same person in the Rashtrakutas dynasty page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rashtrakutas&action=history) which made you protect the page for a period of 3 months about 4 days back. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rashtrakutas&diff=prev&oldid=1247580284)

Kindly do the same for the other dynasty pages he is targetting as well. He is using old British period sources which according to WP:RAJ is unreliable (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172#Are_British_Raj_ethnographers_unreliable.3F.)

The same account seems to be adding those dynasties to promote his caste here as well List_of_Maratha dynasties_and_states. Please look into it (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Maratha_dynasties_and_states&action=history).

Thank you. Mpatrol (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 40, 2024)

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Eight gold Spanish escudo (1687), issued during the reign of Carlos II of Spain
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Currency of Spain

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Any chance of a DYK prep to queue promotion (or two)?

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Casliber, it looks like things are busy where you are, but in case you have any time, might you be able to promote any DYK preps to queues? The queues are all empty, and six preps are full; it would help if we could get some movement here. Many thanks even if now's a bad time; you've done so many promotions over the years. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem. Been busy (and busy still). Will try to keep an eye on it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mentor for GA/FAC

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Hi Casliber, I am wondering if you would have some time (not urgently) to be a mentor/provide some specific advice regarding the Geologic Time Scale article I've helped significantly revise over the past couple of years. It is currently rated as B-class, but I believe it to be much improved since that assessment. I have requested an independent assessment of it on Wikiproject Geology as I think it may be of A-class now. Additionally I am considering either a GAN or FAC listing, but would appreciate advice from a more experienced editor. Thanks for your time. Jarred C Lloyd (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October music

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story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, thank you for promoting her to the queue, - my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK credit

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Hello Cas Liber, it seems my DYK credit for Juno (song) has not been processed despite it being part of a double hook with Bed Chem? I had added it to my nomination within seven days of it being created and bolded it.--NØ 00:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mentor for Tumor Necrosis Factor FAC

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Hi Casliber, I am a new editor and recently got Tumor Necrosis Factor promoted to GA status. I'd like to go for Featured Article status, and am wondering if you could be a mentor and provide some advice. Would greatly appreciate any help! AdeptLearner123 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah ok. Bit busy but will do so in a few days Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 41, 2024)

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Navy

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This week's article for improvement (week 42, 2024)

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Longshore drift

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This week's article for improvement (week 43, 2024)

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Image

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Invitation to participate in a research

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Hello,

The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. We will use this research to improve experiences for Wikipedians, and address common problems and needs. We have identified you as a good candidate for this research, and would greatly appreciate your participation in this anonymous survey.

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Good article reassessment for Adriatic Sea

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Adriatic Sea has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2024 November newsletter

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The 2024 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round being a very tight race. Our new champion is AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who scored 2,283 points mainly through 3 high-multiplier FAs and 3 GAs on military history topics. By a 1% margin, Airship beat out last year's champion, Delaware BeanieFan11 (submissions), who scored second with 2,264 points, mainly from an impressive 58 GAs about athletes. In third place, Generalissima (submissions) scored 1,528 points, primarily from two FAs on U.S. Librarians of Congress and 20 GAs about various historical topics. Our other finalists are: Sammi Brie (submissions) with 879 points, Canada Hey man im josh (submissions) with 533 points, BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 432 points, Arconning (submissions) with 244 points, and Christmas Island AryKun (submissions) with 15 points. Congratulations to our finalists and all who participated!

The final round was very productive, and contestants had 7 FAs, 9 FLs, 94 GAs, 73 FAC reviews, and 79 GAN reviews and peer reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

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This week's article for improvement (week 45, 2024)

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Slow living

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Good article reassessment for American robin

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This week's article for improvement (week 46, 2024)

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Stationery

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Template:Editnotices/Page/Alzheimer's disease has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/Autism

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This week's article for improvement (week 49, 2024)

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Josephson voltage standard chip developed by the National Bureau of Standards as a standard volt
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Volt

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Mentoring for FAC

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Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at WP:FAM and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is Neurocysticercosis, a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 21:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look when I can. Been busy IRL and wikipedia has been pushed aside for higher priorities alot of the time but I'll see what I can do. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much I really appreciate it! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 50, 2024)

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Gulf

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This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2024)

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Jetty

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Io Saturnalia!

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Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!

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This week's article for improvement (week 52, 2024)

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Architect

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Merry Christmas!

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I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. Feel free to take a "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" if you prefer.  :) BOZ (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Vampire folklore by region

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December music

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story · music · places

My third Christmas story is different ;) - enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 1, 2025)

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Entomology is the scientific study of insects.
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Entomology

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Welcome to the 2025 WikiCup!

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Copy of deleted article Vaughn J Featherstone

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Hi. Could you please provide me a copy of the deleted article Vaughn J Featherstone or Vaughn J. Featherstone? Many additional sources are available and I'd like to see whether I might be able to flesh it out. Thanks much. Davemc0 (talk) 19:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I have userfied it and placed it at User talk:Davemc0/Vaughn J. Featherstone. Just keep an eye on notability requirements before moving it to article space. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it should have been moved to Draft:Vaughn J. Featherstone. If there was a problem with that, it should have been moved to User:Davemc0/Vaughn J. Featherstone. It is not a talk page. Anomalocaris (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for providing it. Yes, I'll see whether I can solve the notability problem. Davemc0 (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2025)

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SAARC Region
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South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation

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Good article reassessment for Geography of Croatia

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This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2025)

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Wool weaving shuttle, with pirn in middle
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Pirn

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