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Please keep a neutral point of view on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia your opinion doesn't matter except on Talk pages and your user pages. Just leave if you think it should. Please stop with the Pedophilia, nonsense. -- [[Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg|17px]] [[User:Mac Davis|<em><font color=#006600>Mac Davis</font></em>]] [[User talk:Mac Davis|ญƛ.]] 12:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Please stop. If you continue to [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalize]] pages, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. <!-- {{test3}} (Third level warning) --> [[User:RexNL|RexNL]] 13:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:I am not vandalising pages. Please don't put false vandalism warnings on peoples' pages. |
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:That I disagree with the attempts by [[pedophile advocacy]] Wikipedians to classify touching up underage boys as "pederasty" than as pedophilia which it in fact is is not vandalism. You are also using false templates as presumably there are supposed to be two other warnings first |
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:However sickos try to word it, touching up underage kids is pedophilia. --[[User:86.132.38.141|86.132.38.141]] 14:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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[[Image:Stop_hand.png|left|30px]] This is your '''last warning'''. The next time you [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalize]] a page, you ''will'' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. <!-- {{test4}} (Fourth level warning) --> '''[[User:Sceptre|<span style="color: #04C">Sceptr</span>]][[WP:EA|<span style="color: #480">e</span>]]''' <sup>(<em>[[User_talk:Sceptre|<span style="color: #4C0">Talk</span>]]</em>)</sup> 14:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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{{{1|[[Image:Octagon-warning.png|left|30px| ]] }}}'''You have been temporarily [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia.''' Please note that page blanking, addition of random text, deliberate misinformation, or repeated and blatant violation of [[WP:NPOV]] is considered [[WP:VAND|vandalism]]. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. If you feel that this block is unwarranted, you can add the text ''{{unblock}}'' '''below''' this message with a brief explanation. <!-- {{test5}} --> '''[[User:Sceptre|<span style="color: #04C">Sceptr</span>]][[WP:EA|<span style="color: #480">e</span>]]''' <sup>(<em>[[User_talk:Sceptre|<span style="color: #4C0">Talk</span>]]</em>)</sup> 14:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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==Blocking== |
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I AM NOT VANDALISING ANYTHING. |
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THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOUR PEDOPHILE SUPPORTING VIEW THAT TOUCHING UP LITTLE BOYS IS NOT PEDOPHILIA IS NOT VANDALISM. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH YOU THEY ARE NOT A "VANDAL" |
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Is Wikipedia run by pedophiles or something? Why is it "illegal" to say that touching up underage kids is pedophilia? It's true, and the law agrees with me. --86.132.38.141 14:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:Your request has been rejected. Wikipedia is not advocating any political ideology, and please refrain from [[WP:POV|POV]]-pushing. '''[[User:Sceptre|<span style="color: #04C">Sceptr</span>]][[WP:EA|<span style="color: #480">e</span>]]''' <sup>(<em>[[User_talk:Sceptre|<span style="color: #4C0">Talk</span>]]</em>)</sup> 14:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Well, this is an ugly situation. 86.132.38.141 is acting with the good of Wikipedia in mind, and taking drastic action which he honestly feels is warranted. 86, from what I can see you weren't temp-blocked for vandalism per se, but for disrupting the Wikipedia - massive unilateral changes aren't a good thing. Oh, and the two other warnings aren't mandatory, the first one for instance is a 'thanks for testing, please stop' message and can be skipped if the recipient clearly knows what he's doing. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 14:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, right. That's like me going to every page about Germans and calling them all Nazis. I've seen his edits, and he is clearly here to start trouble. He's gone to the pages of gay rights activists and called them pedophiles. He's gone to articles about pederasty and call it pedophilia. The fact that is, this person is so ignorant he has no idea that pedophlia is about "touching up" PREPUBESCENT children, not everybody lumped in as younger than whatever a country's arbitrary age of consent laws specify as being an adult. |
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::Easy there. The word pedophilia is often used to include contact with anyone under the age of consent. To me, it seems that his main beef is with the phrase 'pederasty' since it doesn't state the involvement of pedophilia clearly enough. Reading between the lines, I'd say that he considers the term to be American pedophiles' [[doublespeak]] for pedophilia. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 19:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:The last thing Wikipedia needs is another user who thinks that anybody who does not support his fanatical little politica agenda is a part of some pedophile conspiracy. [[User:Corax|Corax]] 15:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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::Be nice, Corax. That's not exactly the language I'd use, but: 86, there '''are''' reasons for disagreeing with that editing spree beyond supporting pedophilia. This fracas is frustrating, but insulting the lot of us by calling us pedophilia supporters doesn't exactly help your case. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 16:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I agree with Corax's comment. Users are entitled to hold opinions but have to be very careful not to try to use WP as their soapbox to push ''their'' POV agenda. Wikipedia has to be very careful to follow ''[[Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View]]''. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:#006666; background-color:orange">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-Capitals.PNG|15px]]\<sup><font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font></sup> 18:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I was not "soap-boxing" |
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The fact is that "love for underage boys" is exactly the same thing as "love for underage people of either sex"</br> |
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It's pedophilia, pure and simple. Sexual love for children or feeling that children can be erotic, or actively abusing children. Just about ''every'' law agrees with me here, why is this blatantly biased POV, naming and categories given special dispensation on Wikipedia? |
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Also why did Sceptre delete every message I made and then "protect" my page so I couldn't edit it but others could? Hardly goes against the bias thing |
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Note I did not "vandalize" any "gay activists": I simply changed those that were classified as "pederasty" to pedophilia as they belonged in, and those ones that exclusively support pedophilia to [[pedophilia advocacy]], which is also true. |
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''If anything it is biased to claim that holding sexual desires for children is somehow not pedophilia when it plainly is.'' -[[User:86.132.38.141|86.132.38.141]] 19:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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86, can we talk this out once your block expires? The word 'pederasty' is in long-standing and established use to mean a tutelary relationship between an adult and a child that has an erotic aspect. This was common in the ancient world - heck, even institutionalized in Sparta. Nobody's saying that it wasn't also pedophilic! The definition I used here is the one I learned in my Finnish high-school, straight from the textbook I think. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 19:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:Ah, you came back in the meantime. I take far too much time in writing these messages. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 19:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Why then is it reverted every time I put [[:Category:Pederasty]] into [[:Category:Pedophilia]], if they are in fact also pedophilia and people agree with this? It seems some people here want to hide the true nature of it |
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FYI I changed it twice and someone changed it back each time before I went and changed other articles to go into the pedophile category instead (since someone was obviously trying to hide that it's pedophilia) --[[User:86.132.38.141|86.132.38.141]] 19:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:Sorry about the protection. But seriously, before you go and do that in future, make sure you know the subtle differences '''[[User:Sceptre|<span style="color: #04C">Sceptr</span>]][[WP:EA|<span style="color: #480">e</span>]]''' <sup>(<em>[[User_talk:Sceptre|<span style="color: #4C0">Talk</span>]]</em>)</sup> 20:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I'm sorry you did not understand this the first time I said it, but it's important you realize this before you make changes to articles about pederasty and pedophlia. Pedophilia is a mental condition in which one's idealized sexual partner is a PREPUBESCENT child. Pederasty is a sexual relationship between a male of full physical maturation and an adolescent male. If you try to categorize pederasty articles into pedophile categories (or vice versa), you are going to run into quite a bit of resistance -- because the only relation those practices have with one another historically or even medically is that they involve sex with persons deemed "under-age" -- as you call it -- by ''some'' states. In fact, "pederasty" and "pedophilia" are terms derived from separate period of history, in which humans perceived sex in entirely different ways, and are practices involving two biologically different categories of persons. When you leap into articles and start making all sorts of dramatic changes with vindictive edit summaries, you are going to be blocked. It's not because there is a pedophile conspiracy aiming to suppress your condemnations. It's because this is an encyclopedia that aims to report facts, not to be a sounding board for people's political opinions. If you don't know the difference between pedophilia and pederasty, and you start editing all the articles relating to those two subjects, don't be surprised when people start raising concerns. [[User:Corax|Corax]] 22:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:Only the pedophiles try to hide pedophilia behind "pederasty". Looking at your edits there seems a high chance that you touch up underage boys yourself, Mr Jackson. |
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:In just about all countries what you do is illegal. I'm not American either, so you can't use that argument. --[[User:86.132.38.141|86.132.38.141]] 22:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Pedophile's description: "Pedophilia is a mental condition in which one's idealized sexual partner is a PREPUBESCENT child" |
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Law: "Pedophilia is the collection of "erotic" material relating to underage children or sexual assault on minors" |
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Pederasty is pedophilia. That's the way it is and maybe pedophiles just need to accept it. --[[User:86.132.38.141|86.132.38.141]] 22:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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