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== Charente and -Maritime == |
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'''Welcome ! You can leave me a message on this page, or better on [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Jack ma]].''' |
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Hi, if you consider that the centre of mainland France is somewhere near [[Saint-Amand-Montrond]], in the Cher department (according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9ographie_de_la_France#Centre_g.C3.A9ographique French wikipedia]), the location of the departments Charente and Charente-Maritime is more accurately described as "western France" than "southwestern France". I would call Biarritz, Pau and Bordeaux southwest, not La Rochelle (Charente-Maritime). [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 17:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hello. The problem is that there are other factors than pure geometry. According to what you say, Dordogne or Gironde would be "west", too. Traditionally, Charente and Charente-Maritime have always been in what we call "South-west": the daily [http://www.sudouest.com/charente/actualite.html Sud-Ouest] covers both departments, also names of companies, or contents of books can proove it. The "boundary" is just at the north of these 2 departments: above, West begins (or "Centre-West"): Poitou, Pays-de-la Loire, Brittany... People who live in Charente, like me, know it. It has also a matter to do with "hydrological basins", climates, vegetation, architecture, and human factors... Most of other French people just don't know that fact either: this is a (little) problem with Wikipedia: sometimes articles local to an area are made by people not really knowing this area (Charentes). Because it is not much known, probably. Google gives you 975,000 answers with "Charente + sud-ouest" and 500,000 with "Charente +ouest -sud". The other "difficulty" is that this boundary "south-west/west" is in the middle of the administrative region "Poitou-Charentes" (Poitou is Centre-West, Charentes are South-West), but that's it! I hope that these 70,000 pages (or more) can be changed at once by a robot. Otherwise, we have to rely on luck, and time... Thanks anyway. [[User:Jack ma|Jack ma]] ([[User talk:Jack ma#top|talk]]) 13:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Bell tower of St. Peter's Cathedral, Angouleme, Charente, SW France == |
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:::70,000 pages??? I ''would'' call Gironde and Dordogne southwest (I gave the example of Bordeaux), but I'm a bit hesitant about the Charentes. BTW I didn't create most of those articles, I see Ksnow and Dr. Blofeld have been adding the "western" part in April 2008. Anyway, the change can be done using AWB (I did so for the communes of Loire-Atlantique, someone called that northwestern France). Before I do it, I do need more proof, perhaps some references to books or reliable websites. Is there a clear definition of southwestern France, maybe in French reference works, or encyclopedias? [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 09:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello. |
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::::Ooops, sorry! maybe (more than) 700 (approximate number of stubs in both departments if I'm correct, without counting the rivers). Unfortunately, there is no clear definition of these areas in France; only human use. I can give you reliable reference for southwest, but (so-called) reliable references exist for west (or even centre-west), too, but a large majority of cases give Charentes into south-west. The dailies are reliable prooves. In Poitou (just North of the Charentes), the daily is "Nouvelle République du Centre-Ouest" (and the Charentes: "Sud Ouest"). Another reliable proof would be that Angoulême is traditionally called "balcon du sud-ouest". But here is a citation of a book: Villes, régions et universités, by Raymond Hudon, Jean-Pierre Augustin (2005), p.165 (Maison des Sciences de l'Homme d'Aquitaine, Presses de l'Université Laval) |
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Could I please have your permission to use this photograph in my book on Norman Sicily? The bell tower of one of the Norman churches in Palermo resembles this French bell tower almost exactly! |
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::::''... tandis qu'au nord les deux départements des Charentes - traditionnellement tournés vers la Gironde - ont été rattachés au Poitou, le rayonnement de Bordeaux dépasse les limites de l'Aquitaine administrative dans une configuration appelée le plus souvent "Sud-Ouest" (à l'image de la zone de diffusion sur huit départements du quotidien du même nom), tandis que, curieusement, l'appellation "Grand Sud-Ouest" déplace le centre de gravité de Bordeaux à Toulouse...''. NB: La Rochelle is at the extreme north-west of the Charentes. [[User:Jack ma|Jack ma]] ([[User talk:Jack ma|talk]]) 16:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.112.245.40|24.112.245.40]] ([[User talk:24.112.245.40|talk]]) 19:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::::OK, I've replaced western with southwestern in all articles for communes in the Charentes. I may have missed one or two, but I got the other 850. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:'''Per [[WP:NAD]] and the subject does not appear to meet [[WP:GNG]]''' |
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::::::Thanks a lot ! [[User:Jack ma|Jack ma]] ([[User talk:Jack ma|talk]]) 05:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::Welcome! Let me know if you find anything else. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Infobox map for french stubs == |
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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion process]], but other [[Wikipedia:deletion process|deletion process]]es exist. In particular, the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] process can result in deletion without discussion, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|articles for deletion]] allows discussion to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;"><b>[[User:Kkj11210|<span style="color:green">KJ</span>]]</b><sup><b>[[User talk:Kkj11210|<span style="#819FF7"> Discuss?</span>]]</b></sup></span> 13:06, 12 June 2016 (UTC) |
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Hello Markussep, |
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Could you modify the default map for InfoBoxes of France stubs (e.g. [[Périgueux]]), in order to show the departments, like on the fr:wiki ? In fact, it is [[:File:Carte France geo.png]] since 2008. Thanks, [[User:Jack ma|Jack ma]] ([[User talk:Jack ma|talk]]) 15:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi Jack, a disadvantage of the map you suggested is that Corsica is not on it. I think this one is better: [[:File:France location map-Regions and departements.svg|270px]]. I viewed it at 270px width, like it will be in the infobox, looks good to me. If you like it, you can suggest it at [[Template talk:Infobox French commune]]. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep|Talk]]</sup> 10:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC) |
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::I agree with you. It looks good to me, too, and I am going to suggest it. [[User:Jack ma|Jack ma]] ([[User talk:Jack ma|talk]]) 11:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 03:30, 16 February 2023
Welcome ! You can leave me a message on this page, or better on fr:Discussion utilisateur:Jack ma.
Bell tower of St. Peter's Cathedral, Angouleme, Charente, SW France
[edit]Hello. Could I please have your permission to use this photograph in my book on Norman Sicily? The bell tower of one of the Norman churches in Palermo resembles this French bell tower almost exactly! Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.245.40 (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, welcome. Jack ma (talk) 07:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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The article Porch tower has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. KJ Discuss? 13:06, 12 June 2016 (UTC)