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Corrected the history section - Massachusetts was third colony, not first, to establish counties. Virginia first founded counties in 1634, three years before Maryland and a decade before Massachusetts. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.125.119.29|24.125.119.29]] ([[User talk:24.125.119.29|talk]]) 03:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:But do you have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that can be cited for that assertion? All the literature I've seen on history of local governments agrees that Massachusetts was the first. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 08:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
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Here is a link to Henrico County's official website - (http://www.co.henrico.va.us/about-henrico/history/henrico-becomes-a-shire/) stating the county was founded in 1634. Virginia formed four "citties" in 1619 (Henrico, James City, Charles City, and Bermuda - and then reorganized them as eight shires (or counties) in 1634. Here is a link to the official site for James City County, VA (home to Jamestown, founded 1607) where they claim to be America's oldest county (http://www.jccegov.com/visitors/history.html). Here is another useful link (http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/va_cf.html). At this site, we learn that by 1843, Virginia already had 10 counties and Maryland already had 2. This information repeated at each county's official site and the information is available all over the web in the relevent places - in fact, its all over Wikipedia. If no counties were founded until Massachusetts in the 1640s, then the Wikipedia pages for the lists of counties in Maryland and Virginia, as well as the pages for Virginia counties Northampton, Henrico, Charles City, James City, Isle of Wight, and York, extinct Virginia counties Warwick, Elizabeth City, Norfolk, and Princess Anne, and Maryland counties of St Mary's and Kent are all wrong. But there not wrong, because they were created before 1643. This information no more needs "reliable sources" than any other undisputable and widely known date. I'm correcting it again as 1634 is clearly before 1643. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.125.119.29|24.125.119.29]] ([[User talk:24.125.119.29|talk]]) 18:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== County equivalent count is misleading -- CT sort of double-counted ==
==New Jersey==
New Jersey is the only state in the union whose county officials are called [[freeholders]]. Is that of interest to this artice? Also, New Jersey counties are not as powerless as New England counties, however, many services that would be under county supervision in most states are under municipal juristiction in New Jersey. Moreover, property taxes are paid directly to the individual municipality and not to the county as in most other states. There are no unincorporated areas in NJ, every square inch of land is part of a municipality. A "township" in New Jersey is an incorporated municipality on equal grounds with any other municipality. This is not the case as in most other states a township is an unincorporated subdivision of a county.


As I understand it, the counties in CT have technically been retired and replaced with "Planning Regions". The count here instead seems to imply that they are additional. Many sources list 3143 counties in the US states (with DC), instead of 3,152. I think that this is very confusing, given that, in all other cases, they are bona fide equivalents rather than replacements (e.g., boroughs or parishes). [[Special:Contributions/130.132.173.188|130.132.173.188]] ([[User talk:130.132.173.188|talk]]) 18:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
==The 5 Boroughs of New York City==
It states "each borough now corresponds almost exactly to one county." ALMOST??? The five boroughs are each coterminus with their respective counties. There is no ''almost'' about it.

==This is Ridiculous ==
I was just reading this article and found that it is in need of some very serious cleanup. Most of the relevant information is doubled and some is tripled. How many times do we need to point out that Virginia has independent cities and New York City is made up of five counties? I like that it mentions the uniqueness of these situations, but it's overdone. [[User:Phil Bastian|Phil Bastian]] 19:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

'''Wondering how to edit this U.S. Counties entry?'''<br>
The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. counties|WikiProject U.S. Counties]] standards might help.

==County seals==

Please see [[Talk:List of Maryland counties]] -- I'd like someone to see if they can determine whether those seals are public domain (being on a governmental site, there's a good chance they are), and if so, we could incorporate them in our articles. -- BRG 10/10 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.26.98.90|64.26.98.90]] ([[User talk:64.26.98.90|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> 15:16, 10 October 2002 (UTC)

== What does it mean "in addition there is DC" ==

> In addition there is the District of Columbia

What does this mean ?
That is, the fifty states plus DC is ... what ? It is most of the United States of America, but leaves out the island territories, right? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.8.184.25|209.8.184.25]] ([[User talk:209.8.184.25|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> 01:15, 15 December 2003 (UTC)

:These are the places where the residents get to vote for President. I'm not sure of our name for that; the article should use that name, whatever it is. --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]][[User talk:Jerzy|(t)]] 19:48, 2004 May 13 (UTC)

::Oh, boy - there is a real difference between being PART of the United States and merely being a territory or land that belongs to the United States. A real, real difference. THE Unites States, consists of the states that have ratified the Constitution, plus the Federal District, which happens to be the District of Columbia - but which could be changed, if the Congress and the President ever decided to do this. For example, a new Federal District could be chosen in Kansas[[Special:Contributions/98.67.107.70|98.67.107.70]] ([[User talk:98.67.107.70|talk]]) 16:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Count of counties ==

I changed the definition of county so it includes "city and county" entities and the five boroughs of NYC, which did not fit. (I started to edit to include Bronx, New York, Richmond, Kings, and Queens counties among "county equivs", but assumed instead that the Census Bureau calls them counties. )

I did however move DC to "county equivs", since the math and later language reflect that.

But someone, preferably whoever came up with the two 3000+ figures, should check to see whether or not the NYC boroughs and DC indeed were counted as counties, and if not, edit count of counties or total as indicated.

Finally, the article was inconsistent as to whether a "true" county is a fourth case of "county equiv". I took a guess that it is, and edited accordingly, but that should also be checked and documented on [[Talk:County (United States)|this talk]]. <br>
--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]][[User talk:Jerzy|(t)]] 19:48, 2004 May 13 (UTC)


:3141 census defined county/county-equivalents
:-1 DC
:=3140
:-42 census-defined independent cities (FIPS 55 class code C7)
:=3098
:-11 Alaska census areas (FIPS 55 class code H5)
:=3087 counties, including 64 LA parishes and 16 AK boroughs

:where does 3077 counties in first paragraph come from?
:should it not be 3087 counties?

:20060725.1541.PST
:jaydlewis@yahoo.com <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.225.233.95|68.225.233.95]] ([[User talk:68.225.233.95|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> 22:42, 25 July 2006

==Dragnet==

And... "[[Los Angeles, California]] is an example well known to at least [[1950s|one generation]], from the [[Dragnet (drama)|Dragnet]] [[television series]]." Now, I've never seen the show but I am an Angeleno and I promise you that L.A. city and county gov'ts are different and I believe they have been that way since the beginning. Anybody know what this about? [[User:Jengod|jengod]] 20:26, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

:The Los Angeles Police Department, a.k.a LAPD, is a county-wide department, serving not only the city of Los Angeles, but most of the county as well. There headquarters in in the city, which is the county seat.

::Whoever posted this information about the Los Angeles Police Department has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. The LAPD is the police department for the City of Los Angeles only. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is a county department that patrols all of the unincorporated areas of the county and about half of the cities, which contract with the sheriff's department in lieu of having their own police departments. [[User:Slyjackalope|Slyjackalope]] 22:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, some places in LA County like [[Long Beach]], [[Torrance]], and [[Pasadena]] probably have their own police departments. The LA Sheriff's Department covers all unincorporated areas, and also some of the cities that have paid them for that. There is an oddly-named organization out there called the LA County Sheriff's Police - odd, because anyone who works for the Sheriff is really called a Deputy Sheriff, and a policeman works for the Chief of Police or the Mayor of a city, town, or village. At one time, well over a century ago, California only had two or three counties, and Los Angeles County covered all of what we call Southern California. The old county has been split and re-split and that area now contains Ventura County, Kern County, San Bernardino County, Riverside County, Orange County, San Diego County, Imperial County, and others, as well as the present Los Angeles County, which is still pretty large in land area. As an example of re-splitting, when [[Riverside County]] was established, it received land from both [[San Bernardino County]] and [[San Diego County]]. We could also trace the origins of the others.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 19:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Powers of counties ==

Is someone an expert in how the powers of counties vary from state to state? As far as I can tell, they are of primarily historic and census interest in most of the northeast. In the southeast, they are creatures of the state, and have only such powers as the state delegates to them. (This is how the Alabama state constitution got to be so long &ndash; every time that a county wanted to have its own drainage district or issue bonds the state constitution would up being amended to accomodate it since otherwise the county would have no authority to do so, which seems a particulary poor way to govern.) Is the rest of the country like the southeast, where counties have little "soverignty" and mostly are just units of the state? Or is there more of the element of "home rule" to counties elsewhere in the country? [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 14:24, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:There is another fact about Alabama's ''quare'' and covoluted way of doing things: of its 67 counties, eight of the more populated ones have been granted Home Rule by the Legislature, and they can do lots more on their own authority that the remaining 59 counties can (the ones that have to go "hat in hand" to the Legislature for almost everything). Naturally, these eight counties include the ones that contain Birmingham, Mobile, Montgomery, Tuscaloosa, Huntsville, Auburn/Opelika, and two others. The Alabama consistution did do a wise thing in limiting the number of counties in the state: each one must contain at least 450 square miles of land. So, Alabama is not gerrymandered into an incredible number of small counties & independent cities like Georgia (159!), Texas (254!), Illinois, Virginia, etc., are. Some other states place such practical limits on the number of counties, such as by their land area. For example, Iowa had 99 counties, and someone tried to establish a 100th one. That county was too small, and the state Supreme Court naturally declared that one to be unconstitutional. Hence, Iowa has remained with 99 counties ever since then, because the constitution has not been amended on this issue.

::Well, I'm no expert, but I can give a perspective on what I am familiar with: in Michigan (and from what I have seen of Wisconsin and Ohio), counties began in the 19th century as general law entities with powers defined and fairly tightly circumscribed by the state legislature, much as you describe for the southeast (the Michigan constitution at one time had lengthy sections detailing disctinctions between numerous varieties of municipalities--and it seems the legislature at that time spent much of its time meddling in municipal affairs). But beginning around the turn of the century (I think this corresponded with the rise of the progressive movement and reforms intended to address corruption in municipal government), home rule powers began to devolve to local entities. In Michigan, most counties are still general law entities (only Wayne County has adopted a charter relieving it of many of the technical requirements of the general law provisions for administration and organization). However, the general law governing counties and other municipalities has become somewhat less restrictive, such that most municipalities (including counties and townships) have a significant degree of home rule authority. The state law governing general law municipalities prescribes options for organizing and administering the entities, but gives the individual entities considerable leeway for taking care of the needs specific to that entity without intervention from the legislature. Interestingly, one of the challenges facing Michigan currently is the large number of local governmental authorities that individuals and businesses have to deal with--and whether the various governmental process should (or can) be streamlined. [[User:Bkonrad|older]]<font color=blue>'''≠'''</font>[[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 15:59, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

::That's useful info. In Tennessee, whereas the counties have basically only the powers the state has devolved to them, municipalities have broad powers and can essentially do everything except what the state says they cannot (the first presumably being roughly the same relationship Canadian provinces have the Canadian federal government and the second being roughly the same as U.S. states are supposed to have with the U.S. federal government). The real limit on municipal powers in Tennessee is that they can't fine anyone over $50, a constitutional limit dating to the adoption of the state constitution in 1870, when of course it was a still-considerable sum. Even coupled with court costs, this doesn't do much to deter much of anything in the modern era (unless it is assessed on a per day case, which it can be for things like building permit and zoning violations). The Tennessee Municipal League spent a lot of time and effort getting the repeal of that limit on the ballot in 2002, but it got lost in the shuffle. All of the publicity and campaign expenditures went into the other propostition on the ballot the same day, the state lottery, and the municipal fines amendment became only the second one in Tennessee history to make the ballot but then be voted down. (History shows that when people don't have things explained to them, they tend to vote "no". The other defeated amendment was a rather arcane change to how the state's judicial department was set up, which was defeated in 1978, largely because people seemed not to trust anything so wordy.) This leads to a weird situation. Many Tennesse muncipalities have enacted city ordinances against arson, rape, murder, etc., which of course are also against state law, but with the difference being that if one were charged under the city ordinance, the maximum punishment would be a $50 fine, and "jeporady" would have attached, so if one were convicted of violating those ordinances, presumably the only punishment would be a fine of $50 and court costs. Generally prosecutors don't make the mistake of charging people under city warrants for state offenses, but the fact that it could happen has led to something of a movement to repeal all city ordinances against felony offenses, so that someone doesn't get fined $50 for murder by mistake. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 14:06, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:::Typically, counties are organs of the states and can be abolished, created, merged, and divided by the state government. Counties may have some protection in their state's constitution (which varies) but the federal constitution does not mention counties and leaves states to handle [local governments] (it is United ''States''). Usually the smaller the state, the more power an individual county will have and will likely be granted protection or at least be mentioned in the state's constitution. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.49.149.91|67.49.149.91]] ([[User talk:67.49.149.91|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> 13:58, 26 June 2005 (UTC)

== Let's lose the POV ==

"Terrible public library" doesn't belong as a statement of fact in an encyclopedic article. "Some observers have decried the quality of the public libraries of Santa Clara County" is potentially worthwhile, if a source such as a newspaper or magazine article can be quoted and or linked, especially. But just saying in effect "The library in Santa Monica sucks," without attribution, doesn't make it.
[[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 13:50, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:Still waiting for a knowledgable person (presumably a current or former Californian) to make corrections in the comment to the effect that all public libraries in Los Angeles County are terrible. This is too POV to be encyclopedic and needs to be edited, now or very soon. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 23:05, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::Done. I've lived both places, and it's nonsense. I frequent the L.A. County library in [[Culver City]], for example, and I've been in MANY libraries (city-run, county-run, otherwise) in my day, and it's quite nice! [[User:Jengod|jengod]] 01:10, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

:::Thanks, that's a vast improvement to the article. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 06:22, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==County creation in the United States==

Hi,
Does somebody knows when did the last county has been created ? Is there some projects to create counties, especially in the West ? As a foreigner, I don't know, and can't find any answer to it in this article. It would be a great thing if somebody could do it. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.161.27.52|62.161.27.52]] ([[User talk:62.161.27.52|talk]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> 02:04, 17 January 2005 (UTC)

:The last new county here in Tennessee was created ca. 1880. Since then, one has filed for bankruptcy and been absorbed by a neighboring county (James County, Tennessee, ca. 1919). There have been several counties in [[Wyoming]] formed in the early [[20th century]], and there have been several new-county movements since then, including at least two in Tennessee (where the state constitution as now written makes them almost impossible to start), but I don't know of any newer counties than the Hawai'i counties added in [[1959]] when the state was admitted. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 02:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
::My bet is that counties, independent cities, etc. are created by the States. Here in North Carolina, the last counties created was [[Hoke County, North Carolina|Hoke Co.]] and [[Avery County, North Carolina|Avery Co.]] in 1911. About 12 years ago, there was a proposal the beach communities in S [[New Hanover County, North Carolina|New Hanover County]] form their own county. This proposal went nowhere in the end. -- ''[[User:Hoshie|Hos]]'''''[[User_talk:Hoshie|hie]]''' | 03:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
::The last county that was created in Alabama was in about 1904.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 20:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:::The last time I checked, there is a lot of talk in [[Santa Barbara County, California]] about splitting it in half, but it hasn't happened yet. And yes, to confirm Hoshie's point, counties exist at the pleasure of the states (the primary sovereign unit in American government with plenary authority), so how a county is created is up to the state in which it sits. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] 05:52, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

::The most recently created county may have been [[Bullfrog County, Nevada]], but it's possible that there have been some more recent ones. --[[User:Cjmnyc|Cjmnyc]] 04:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::Bullfrog County was an unusual case, a relatively-small area of unpopulated land contining the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste disposal site that is under contruction, and which had its county seat designated as [[Carson City, Nevada]], the capital city of that state - and that city that is nowhere near Bullfrog County. Anyone who is interested can do some research and determine whether Bullfrog County has been declared unconstitutional, or possibly simply the idea was abandoned.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 20:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:::[[Broomfield County, Colorado]] is the most recent one I know of. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 04:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::An amendment to the Colorado state consitution was passed in 1998, and then a three-year transition period followed. On '''November 15, 2001''', Broomfield County became the 64th, newest, and smallest, county of Colorado. Also, probably the newest county in the United States. (Let's not even consider Alaska, or any new independent cities anywhere that might have been established.) Broomfield County acquired land from four older counties (Adams, Boulder, Jefferson, and Weld Counties), and especially from [[Boulder County]]. Broomfield County lies in between the cities of [[Denver]]/[[Denver County]] and [[Boulder, Colorado]].[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 20:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Article move? ==

Was there any discussion of renaming the article from [[County (United States)]] to [[Counties of the United States]]? I think the former is a better title for the article. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 01:37, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. Don't know if there was discussion at the time, but it certain runs counter to how things seem to be moving generally. Note that [[United States Democratic Party]] is now [[Democratic Party (United States)]], for example, as are the other parties of a size for anyone much to have heard of. Also, I see [[U.S. Southern states]], a hugely contrived and unrealistic article title IMO, getting remade into the far more natural [[Southern United States]] as a step in the right direction. To me, at least, [[County (United States)]] seems right and Counties of the United States all wrong, just because it seems unlikely that anyone with any concept of the Wikipedia naming conventions would ever start there, and because it sounds contrived. It's certainly probably not keeping anyone from finding the article, with the redirects and the search function currently working so well, but we should show some consistency IMO. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 02:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*Agreed. This article should be [[County (United States)]]. "Counties of the United States" sounds like a list and doesn't conform to the general convention in either case. --[[User:Tysto|Tysto]] 21:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
**I concur. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] 05:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

== by are, population? ==

I'd do this if I could, list of counties by area and population. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Duffman7p|Duffman7p]] ([[User talk:Duffman7p|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duffman7p|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> 03:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

:See [[County statistics of the United States]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jengod|Jengod]] ([[User talk:Jengod|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jengod|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> 19:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Too much info in County Article (regarding the merge suggestion) ==

I would suggest that there's too much info. in the [[County|County article]] in the US section, and that more of it could do with being moved to the specific [[County (United States)|US article]] in order to cut down the length - which is quite substantial. I think this follows the simple principle that anyone who wants to know more will follow the link that's already present. [[User:Andrewferrier|Andrewferrier]] 18:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:I think you are referring to the merge suggestion that currently appears in both articles, so I have revised this discussion section's name. I agree that the basic County article's section about US counties should be replaced with a link that points to this article. [[User:JonathanFreed|JonathanFreed]] 20:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

== County government? ==

The article contains a whole lot of specifics about the boundaries, population, scope, etc., of counties as geographic entities, and almost nothing about what county governments actually do. Yes, it varies by state, but there are some broadly common elements.

Obviously law enforcement and the justice system are key county functions. For example, I think just about every county in ths U.S. has a [[sheriff]], a [[court]], and a [[jail]]. [[Prosecutors]] in most states are county elected officials, and the court system is usually county based.

In some states, especially in the South, there is a broadly powerful official known as the County Judge who has executive, judicial, and legislative authority. In Kentucky I think they have changed the name to "County Judge-Executive".

Further, except in New England, where towns are supreme, land, real estate, and vital records are maintained at the county level, usually by an elected official such as a [[county clerk]] or a [[recorder of deeds]], or both.

In many states, human services such as welfare are provided by the state via county government agencies.

Most states do not give county government the kinds of broad municipal powers that cities have.

Just a few thoughts. [[User:Kestenbaum|Kestenbaum]] 02:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:Besides the concerns Kestenbaum raises above, this article doesn't seemt to distinguish between county governments (such as reported [http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/cog/2002COGprelim_report.pdf here] by the census bureau), vs. counties (or equivalents) as geographic entities. The link above cites 3,034 functioning county governments in 2002 (including LA parishes and AK boroughs). But I think the count of counties as geographic entities may be higher (i.e., [[Connecticut]] and [[Rhode Island]] counties, and some [[Massachusetts]] counties count as geographic entities, but not as governments). I noticed this in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=County_%28United_States%29&curid=88366&diff=60667666&oldid=60667433 recent edit] in which the counts given of counties seemed to be updated inconsistently (and without any source) but that the original numbers seemed off as well. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 15:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

::The local government law handbook I saw in the county law library (and cited in this article) had a section on what county governments do in general nationwide---I think. Next time I am at the county law library I will take a look at that book again and take some notes if there is anything good. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] 16:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:::The article does not mention at all that some counties have a small County Commission that directs their governments, while some have an (e.g.) Board of Supervisors and maybe a County Executive, too - which I know that they have in Maryland. Where they have a County Executive, that job is similar to that of a Mayor of a city with a large geographic area (e.g. New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Oklahoma city) - but with just a different title. In Maryland, some County Executives (e.g. [[Parris Glendening]]) have gone on to run for the state Governor and get elected. Being the County Executive of a populous county is a quite important job.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 20:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Honolulu a city or not? ==

One of the duplicated sections says [[Honolulu]] is not an incorporated city and thus its title "City & County of Honolulu" is a misnomer. The other says that Honolulu is an incorporated city. Neither of them cites. [[User:70.19.50.209|70.19.50.209]] 17:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

:We '''Know''' what a city is, ''whether state governments do or not''. A city is an urban area with a population of 60,000 or more, and Honolulu surely is that. On the other hand, the Hawaii state constitution provides for no local governments at all besides the several counties. '''No city governments''', no town governments, no village governments. Thus, the "City & County of Honolulu" contains the whole island of [[Oahu, Hawaii]], and all of Honolulu, and all of the densely, intermediate, or thinly populated areas of that island. The city of Honolulu (as we know it - take me to Oahu and I will point at it) does not have a Mayor, unless there is a ceremonial one; no city council. You are welcome to look up the form of the County government.
:Interestingly, if Honolulu were to win an event like the Summer Olympic games, etc., there would be no Mayor to attend the closing ceremony at the previous site. On the other hand, Oahu could sent either its County Exective, if there is one, or the State Governor.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 21:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

==Wikiproject help==
Some helpful information on U.S. county lists can be found at [[WP:COUNTYLISTS]]. [[User:Tompw|Tom<small>pw</small>]] ([[User talk:Tompw|talk]]) <small>([[Wikipedia:Editor review/Tompw|review]])</small> 16:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Water areas? ==

Why exclude water areas from the area of a county? Does that mean also excluding internal rivers, lakes, and streams? [[User:Thesmothete|Thesmothete]] 15:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:Water areas are generally not excluded from the areas of counties. In most articles that I can find, both land area and "total area" (water plus land) are given in the statistics. When someone mentions "area", of course, ''he should specify which one it is (land or total)''. The most important instance where land area should always be used would be in the calculation of [[population density]], since people don't generally live on water. [[User:Backspace|Backspace]] 07:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

::It is my contention that most people would find it hard to believe that [[Keweenaw County, Michigan]] is bigger than [[Rio Arriba County, New Mexico]]. Well, it ''is'', if you count water. If you count only land, Rio Arriba County is ''more than ten times as large'' as Keweenaw County. The land area of Keweenaw County is 540.975 sq mi, that of Rio Arriba County is 5,857.631 sq mi; however, if we consider water, then the total area is 5,965.956 sq mi for Keweenaw County, and 5,896.103 sq mi for Rio Arriba County. [[User:Backspace|Backspace]] 07:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:::So? It was made clear before that the land areas and total areas should be designated as such. For example [[Anne Arundel County, Maryland]], has a total area that extends all the way out to the middle of the [[Cheasapeake Bay]], but its '''more important area''' is the '''actual land area'''. As for the areas of minor streams, rivers, lakes, and ponds, I think that those are always lumped in with the land area, and especially if you can walk or ride a horse across them, and also if they are not navigable waterways.
:::The US Federal Government has granted jurisdiction over navigable waterways out to the three-mile limit to the states, and thus to the counties. I don't know how the statisticians count this area of water in their calculations. However, when it comes to petroleum and mineral deposits inside of the three-mile limit, those belong to the jurisdiction of states (and can be regulated and taxed by them), while outside of the three-mile limit, they fall under the aegis of the Federal Government, and are regulated and taxed by it. (As far as the Great Lakes are concerned, I don't know.) This "beyond the three-mile limit" authority has been asserted by the Executive and Legislative branches, and it has been upheld by the courts, even though it is not detailed in the Constitution. The Constitution would be fantstically large and unwieldy to use if it detailed everything.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]])
:::By the way, the land area of [[Rhode Island]] is about 1,000 square miles. I had an argument with a fellow who wanted to claim that it was 1,4000 square miles - but that includes the area of [[Naragansett Bay]], etc., and as I told the man, if I can't walk on it, I don't want it! 1,000 square miles is also a round number[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 21:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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[[User:SriMesh|SriMesh]] | [[User talk:SriMesh|<small>talk</small>]] 03:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

: Thanks for carrying out the review. Clearly the main task is to add references where needed. [[User:Tompw|Tom<small>pw</small>]] ([[User talk:Tompw|talk]]) <small>([[Wikipedia:Editor review/Tompw|review]])</small> 21:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Largest-Smallest Statistics Discrepancies ==

I was looking up statistics for the "smallest county",
and this article and [[County statistics of the United States]]
are in disagreement on a few points.

Smallest, either:
*[[Kalawao County, Hawaii]] Land: {{Convert|13|mi2|km2}}, Water: {{Convert|39|mi2|km2}}, Total: {{Convert|52|mi2|km2}}
*[[Arlington County, Virginia]] Land: {{Convert|26|mi2|km2}}, Water: 0 (actually 0.35% ?)
the discrepancies stem from the 13 (land-only) versus 26 (land and total) versus 52 (total).

:''Naturally, the land area is what is important'', and ''don't'' you include that ocean area. Also 0.35% of 26 square miles is 0.1 square mile, which rounds down to zero. (Why split hairs?) Also, a very long time ago (in Colonial times), the boundary between Maryland and Virginia was set at the high-water line of the [[Potomac River]] on the side that is farthest away from the land of Maryland. (In other words, the southern or western shore of it.) This boundary line was also inherited by the District of Columbia in 1854. Hence, Arlington County does not include any of the Potomac River, a large river in that region. Its 0.35% of water area includes only the minor streams, lakes, and ponds that exist there.
:Also, the Independent City of [[Falls Church, Virginia]] (est. 1948), is smaller than Arlington county, and in fact, it is the smallest so-called "county equivalent" in the United States. Falls Church is an enclave along the boundary between Arlington County and [[Fairfax County]], and it is governmentally independent of both of those. The land area of Falls Church is about 2.2 square miles (5.7 square kilometers), with negligible water area. Part of the neighboring Fairfax County is served by the U.S. Postal Service through the Falls Church post office, and so, mailing addresses and Zip Codes are not an indicator of the real size (smallness) of Falls Church.[[Special:Contributions/98.67.160.30|98.67.160.30]] ([[User talk:98.67.160.30|talk]]) 21:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Largest, either:
*[[Unorganized Borough, Alaska]] - a legal/official Borough within [[Alaska]] but run by Alaska state government
*[[North Slope Borough, Alaska]] - an independent incorporated municipal government
The United States Census Bureau divides up the Unorganized Borough into 11 census areas,
but those 11 areas have no basis in Alaska or federal law other than electoral representation and federal financial assistance.
Where the State of Alaska or others properly clarify it, they refer to:
the Unorganized Borough as the "largest borough", and
the North Slope Borough as the "largest organized borough".

My call on the two above, is that it is not up to Wikipedia to claim either are largest or smallest, but to restate the above facts:
*smallest is one or the other depending on if you count water or not,
*largest is one or the other depending on whether or not you recognize the [[Unorganized Borough]] as an official county like Alaska does or not.
[[User:LeheckaG|LeheckaG]] ([[User talk:LeheckaG|talk]]) 16:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

==Still needs references==
This isn't a formal GA review, but I don't think referencing is still the main problem keeping this article from GA quality. The entire scope of power section and unreferenced, and the Governance section is mostly unreferenced. These are the most important sections of the article, and definitely need citations.--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 20:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

==More on smallest county==
I edited the name of the county and the numbers to fit what seems to be the facts, from Wikipedia's own entry on Manhattan: New York County is 3 to 4 square miles smaller than Arlington County, Virginia, and thus it should rate as the smallest "self-governing county" in the country. [[User:Dougie monty|Dougie monty]] ([[User talk:Dougie monty|talk]]) 06:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please go and find out how many people are in Loving, TX now? It states that there are Sixty-seven but during the November 4th polls 79 people voted there. Please find out how many are there currently.

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== Manhattan "self-governing"? ==

I have removed the following line:
:''The smallest self-governing county is [[Manhattan|New York County, New York]], at 22.96 square miles (59.47&nbsp;km²).''
It is not clear what is meant by "self-governing" in this case. From what I can gather at [[Borough (New York City)]], the powers of the five boroughs are quite limited, with most authority vested in the NYC mayor and legislature. Also, the ref ([http://www.naco.org/Content/NavigationMenu/About_Counties/County_Government/A_Brief_Overview_of_County_Government.htm]) immediately following the above sentence makes no mention of Manhattan at all. [[User:SteveRwanda|SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk:SteveRwanda|talk]]) 09:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== D.C. as county-equivalent ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Washington,_D.C.#District_of_Columbia_as_county-equivalent <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.60.216.50|84.60.216.50]] ([[User talk:84.60.216.50|talk]]) 02:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_noticeboard/Archive4#.22county.22_-_.22County-Statistically_Equivalent_Entity.22 [[Special:Contributions/84.60.196.32|84.60.196.32]] ([[User talk:84.60.196.32|talk]]) 09:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Count? ==

Did any of US counties ever had Counts??? [[Special:Contributions/95.24.19.92|95.24.19.92]] ([[User talk:95.24.19.92|talk]]) 21:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
: Did the British Crown grant noble titles to royal governors anywhere in the Empire? Did the Spanish, French, or Russian "crowns" do so? Presumably those are the actions that would have originated any counts and their ilk (noble governors) associated with any of our counties and their ilk (states, municipalities, etc). I don't know the answer. --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 21:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

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County equivalent count is misleading -- CT sort of double-counted

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As I understand it, the counties in CT have technically been retired and replaced with "Planning Regions". The count here instead seems to imply that they are additional. Many sources list 3143 counties in the US states (with DC), instead of 3,152. I think that this is very confusing, given that, in all other cases, they are bona fide equivalents rather than replacements (e.g., boroughs or parishes). 130.132.173.188 (talk) 18:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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