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The result was '''keep'''. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 08:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Unnecessary and POV [[WP:CFORK|content fork]] and [[WP:COATRACK]] article full of OR. I tried redirecting it to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]], but was reverted. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
Unnecessary and POV [[WP:CFORK|content fork]] and [[WP:COATRACK]] article full of OR. I tried redirecting it to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]], but was reverted. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 16:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Just a note, I've "moved" the article to [[UGG Australia]] since this is the correct expression of the <s>brand</s> corporate name. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 03:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
:::Just a note, I've "moved" the article to [[UGG Australia]] since this is the correct expression of the <s>brand</s> corporate name. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 03:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Redirect''' to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]] as suggested here and on [[Wikipedia:PRODUCT]], 'Information on products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself unless the company article is so large that this would make the article unwieldy'. It isn't large so there's no reason to fork currently. --<span style="font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: underline; color:black; border: 1pt solid white; padding: 0pt 4pt; background-color: white;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 22:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Redirect''' to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]] as suggested here and on [[Wikipedia:PRODUCT]], 'Information on products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself unless the company article is so large that this would make the article unwieldy'. It isn't large so there's no reason to fork currently. --<span style="font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: underline; color:black; border: 1pt solid white; padding: 0pt 4pt; background-color: white;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 22:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Hi Neon, there's one sentence in [[WP:PRODUCT]] that you neglected to mention: ''"If the product or service is notable, it can be broken out into its own article."'' I would have to say that at US$689 million a year, 4,652% growth in 13 years, with celebrities like [[Sarah Jessica Parker]], [[Oprah Winfrey]], [[Jessica Simpson]] and [[Kate Hudson]] wearing them, this is an extremely notable brand. Not as notable as [[Gucci]] or [[Jimmy Choo]], but if you're Jimmy Choo, objects in your rear view mirror may be closer than they appear. Also I will add emphasis to one word in the segment you did quote: "Information on products and services should ''generally'' be included in the article on the company ..." The magic word "generally" indicates that there are exceptions. This is one of the exceptions: a product brand that is eminently notable on its own merits. Thanks for mentioning [[WP:PRODUCT]]. It seals the deal. This article should stay. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 00:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
::Hi Neon, there's one sentence in [[WP:PRODUCT]] that you neglected to mention: ''"If the product or service is notable, it can be broken out into its own article."'' I would have to say that at US$689 million a year, 4,652% growth in 13 years, with celebrities like [[Sarah Jessica Parker]], [[Oprah Winfrey]], [[Jessica Simpson]] and [[Kate Hudson]] wearing them, this is an extremely notable brand. Not as notable as [[Gucci]] or [[Jimmy Choo]], but if you're Jimmy Choo, objects in your rear view mirror may be closer than they appear. Also I will add emphasis to one word in the segment you did quote: "Information on products and services should ''generally'' be included in the article on the company ..." The magic word "generally" indicates that there are exceptions. This is one of the exceptions: a product brand that is eminently notable on its own merits. Thanks for mentioning [[WP:PRODUCT]]. It seals the deal. This article should stay. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 00:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::"Celebrities" and a large profit margin doesn't make something notable. You're getting dangerously close to spam now. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
:::"Celebrities" and a large profit margin doesn't make something notable. You're getting dangerously close to spam now. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 01:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::: 4,652% growth in 13 years makes something notable. If you grew that much, you'd be 285 feet tall. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
:::: 4,652% growth in 13 years makes something notable. If you grew that much, you'd be 285 feet tall. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Being 285ft tall would be a pain in the arse, but wouldn't make me notable unless it was noted by independent, reliable sources. ;) That's the principle of notability. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
:::::Being 285ft tall would be a pain in the arse, but wouldn't make me notable unless it was noted by independent, reliable sources. ;) That's the principle of notability. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 04:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Now why didn't I think of that?[http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/03/news/companies/Shoe_wont_quit_Kapner.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008060506] [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 04:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
::::::Now why didn't I think of that?[http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/03/news/companies/Shoe_wont_quit_Kapner.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008060506] [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 04:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I've commented below, but WP:PRODUCT is a very limited principle. It is not a reflection of Wikipedia practice as it applies to brands overall. Products and services, maybe, but certainly not brands of [[Louis Vuitton|fashion]], [[Chips Ahoy!|cookies]], [[Chevrolet Corvette|automobiles]], [[Pizza Hut|fast food]], [[QuickBooks|computer software]], or most anything else. - [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 13:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
:::::::I've commented below, but WP:PRODUCT is a very limited principle. It is not a reflection of Wikipedia practice as it applies to brands overall. Products and services, maybe, but certainly not brands of [[Louis Vuitton|fashion]], [[Chips Ahoy!|cookies]], [[Chevrolet Corvette|automobiles]], [[Pizza Hut|fast food]], [[QuickBooks|computer software]], or most anything else. - [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 13:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*<s> '''Strong keep''' ''Ugg'' or ''ugg boots'' is such a popular term worldwide, and is even used to describe similar products from other brands (in the same way as Coke, for example). Redirecting or merging into [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]] is likely to confuse wikipedians who just looked up ''Ugg boots'' or ''Ugg'', and whilst I can understand User:Neon white's point, every case is different and User:Phoenix and Winslow has given several examples where the point Neon white cited has been contradicted. Even [[Big Mac]] and [[Quarter pounder]] have their own articles... and rightly so! :) </s> [[User:IainUK|< |
*<s> '''Strong keep''' ''Ugg'' or ''ugg boots'' is such a popular term worldwide, and is even used to describe similar products from other brands (in the same way as Coke, for example). Redirecting or merging into [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]] is likely to confuse wikipedians who just looked up ''Ugg boots'' or ''Ugg'', and whilst I can understand User:Neon white's point, every case is different and User:Phoenix and Winslow has given several examples where the point Neon white cited has been contradicted. Even [[Big Mac]] and [[Quarter pounder]] have their own articles... and rightly so! :) </s> [[User:IainUK|<span style="color:red;">'''Iain'''</span><span style="color:blue;">'''UK'''</span>]] [[User talk:IainUK|<span style="color:green;">''talk''</span>]] 23:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::[[Ugg boots]] has its own article. [[WP:OTHERCRAP]] is an argument to ''avoid'' at AfD. Have you read the article? It's a [[WP:COATRACK]] full of some shite about some slightly related trademark dispute that may just about be notable. It contains next to no content on the term or the boots and is a borderline speedy candidate. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
::[[Ugg boots]] has its own article. [[WP:OTHERCRAP]] is an argument to ''avoid'' at AfD. Have you read the article? It's a [[WP:COATRACK]] full of some shite about some slightly related trademark dispute that may just about be notable. It contains next to no content on the term or the boots and is a borderline speedy candidate. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 01:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::[[Ugg boots]], if you'd care to look at the article's [[Talk:Ugg boots|Talk page]], is all about the generic term "ugg boots" rather than the brand "UGG." Australian editors there have been vigorously trying to evict a lot of material about the company and the brand. Please join me there, and try to convince them that there's plenty of room in that article to talk about the brand, and its trademark and counterfeiting woes. But that's a separate article about a separate, but closely related topic. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
:::[[Ugg boots]], if you'd care to look at the article's [[Talk:Ugg boots|Talk page]], is all about the generic term "ugg boots" rather than the brand "UGG." Australian editors there have been vigorously trying to evict a lot of material about the company and the brand. Please join me there, and try to convince them that there's plenty of room in that article to talk about the brand, and its trademark and counterfeiting woes. But that's a separate article about a separate, but closely related topic. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Well it seems that, to a certain extent, the whole controversy has spilled over from there and this pile of POV OR is what we're left with as this article has become a dumping ground for the stuff (that I have no opinion on, FWiW) that's been evicted from the other article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|< |
::::Well it seems that, to a certain extent, the whole controversy has spilled over from there and this pile of POV OR is what we're left with as this article has become a dumping ground for the stuff (that I have no opinion on, FWiW) that's been evicted from the other article. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 04:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:*'''Delete''' as per above comments by [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] and [[User:HJ Mitchell|HJ Mitchell]] - [[Ugg boots]] has its own article - this article is purely a business division, and notable content should be moved to either the brand article, or the business article.[[User:IainUK|< |
:*'''Delete''' as per above comments by [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] and [[User:HJ Mitchell|HJ Mitchell]] - [[Ugg boots]] has its own article - this article is purely a business division, and notable content should be moved to either the brand article, or the business article.[[User:IainUK|<span style="color:red;">'''Iain'''</span><span style="color:blue;">'''UK'''</span>]] [[User talk:IainUK|<span style="color:green;">''talk''</span>]] 17:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' Notable for the Trademark controversy. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] 00:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' Notable for the Trademark controversy. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] 00:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia|list of Australia-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''Bduke'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''(Discussion)'''</span>]] 04:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia|list of Australia-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''Bduke'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''(Discussion)'''</span>]] 04:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Business|list of Business-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 17:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Business|list of Business-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 17:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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* Most of the articles content is already at [[Ugg boots]]. '''Merge''' anything relevant to [[Ugg boots]] and then '''redirect''' to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]]. ''[[User:DCEdwards1966|< |
* Most of the articles content is already at [[Ugg boots]]. '''Merge''' anything relevant to [[Ugg boots]] and then '''redirect''' to [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]]. ''[[User:DCEdwards1966|<span style="color:#DD0000;">'''D'''</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">'''C'''</span><span style="color:#0000EE;">'''E'''</span><span style="color:#000000;">dwards</span>]][[User talk:DCEdwards1966|<span style="color:#CC3333;"><sup>'''1966'''</sup></span>]]'' 18:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Comment''': The trademark controversy and counterfeit sections exist in all 3 articles. It should be determined if they apply to the company or the product and then only exist in that article. ''[[User:DCEdwards1966|< |
:'''Comment''': The trademark controversy and counterfeit sections exist in all 3 articles. It should be determined if they apply to the company or the product and then only exist in that article. ''[[User:DCEdwards1966|<span style="color:#DD0000;">'''D'''</span><span style="color:#00CC00;">'''C'''</span><span style="color:#0000EE;">'''E'''</span><span style="color:#000000;">dwards</span>]][[User talk:DCEdwards1966|<span style="color:#CC3333;"><sup>'''1966'''</sup></span>]]'' 18:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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* '''Strong keep''' — in case that isn't clear from my earlier comments. Here we have several trademark disputes. [[World War II]] consisted of several battles as well. Does Wikipedia limit any comments about the war to the article about the [[United States of America]]? No, of course not. Every nation that participated in these battles has some mention of it in their articles: both the allies and the enemies of the U.S. It should be the same with these trademark disputes. Yes, World War II was a lot bigger and nastier and more expensive and bloody than this, therefore more notable. But it has spawned literally thousands of WP articles. There are over 1,000 articles on just the warships of the U.S., British and Australian navies that fought in that war — from [[USS Borie (DD-215)|USS ''Borie'']] (an article I'm particularly proud of) to [[HMAS Australia (D84)|HMAS ''Australia'']] (one of my personal favorites). I don't want thousands of articles about the [[Ugg boots trademark controversy]]. I only want four: [[Ugg boots]], [[Uggs-N-Rugs]], [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]], and [[UGG Australia]]. (And the sales increase of 4,652% in 13 years is pretty noteworthy on its own merits, so there's that.) [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 01:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC) |
* '''Strong keep''' — in case that isn't clear from my earlier comments. Here we have several trademark disputes. [[World War II]] consisted of several battles as well. Does Wikipedia limit any comments about the war to the article about the [[United States of America]]? No, of course not. Every nation that participated in these battles has some mention of it in their articles: both the allies and the enemies of the U.S. It should be the same with these trademark disputes. Yes, World War II was a lot bigger and nastier and more expensive and bloody than this, therefore more notable. But it has spawned literally thousands of WP articles. There are over 1,000 articles on just the warships of the U.S., British and Australian navies that fought in that war — from [[USS Borie (DD-215)|USS ''Borie'']] (an article I'm particularly proud of) to [[HMAS Australia (D84)|HMAS ''Australia'']] (one of my personal favorites). I don't want thousands of articles about the [[Ugg boots trademark controversy]]. I only want four: [[Ugg boots]], [[Uggs-N-Rugs]], [[Deckers Outdoor Corporation]], and [[UGG Australia]]. (And the sales increase of 4,652% in 13 years is pretty noteworthy on its own merits, so there's that.) [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 01:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC) |
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** agree theres the potential for all four but not sure theres enough difference between the last two to yet warrant it. I believe that a redirect to the parent company is a positive education for those interested in the Brand. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 01:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
** agree theres the potential for all four but not sure theres enough difference between the last two to yet warrant it. I believe that a redirect to the parent company is a positive education for those interested in the Brand. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 01:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::I've added your name and dateline to your comment, Gnangarra; hope you don't mind. Please sign all comments using four tildes. <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki> Thanks. Also, please notice that I've edited the article several times this evening, substantially improving the sourcing to remove any lingering [[WP:NOR]] concerns. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
::I've added your name and dateline to your comment, Gnangarra; hope you don't mind. Please sign all comments using four tildes. <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki> Thanks. Also, please notice that I've edited the article several times this evening, substantially improving the sourcing to remove any lingering [[WP:NOR]] concerns. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 02:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Qualified keep'''. This should probably be discussed in the current RfC because the viable issue here is not deletion, but rather the structure and content of a family of related articles. "Ugg" the Australian generic term, and "UGG" the international brand, are distinct matters, both clearly notable. Merging them into the same article would be impractical at this point from a [[WP:WEIGHT]] perspective, because although the brand is a more prominent and global phenomenon than the generic term, the two articles are not on par as far as length, detail, quality of sourcing, and so on. Plus it's a dubious goal - why cover two distinct but related topics in the same article? Nor should a company's various brands all be lumped into the article about the company, not if the brands are notable on their own, and viable as stand-alone articles. I can't get into the claims of COI / POV editing (which might merit its own investigation and discussion), but the Teva article ought to be unmerged or recreated with better sourcing. As a model of how fashion conglomerate articles are structured, we have a separate article for the relatively unknown parent company, [[Phillips-Van Heusen]], and separate articles for subsidiary brands they have acquired such as [[Calvin Klein]], [[Tommy Hilfiger ]], and [[Izod]]. - [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 12:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Qualified keep'''. This should probably be discussed in the current RfC because the viable issue here is not deletion, but rather the structure and content of a family of related articles. "Ugg" the Australian generic term, and "UGG" the international brand, are distinct matters, both clearly notable. Merging them into the same article would be impractical at this point from a [[WP:WEIGHT]] perspective, because although the brand is a more prominent and global phenomenon than the generic term, the two articles are not on par as far as length, detail, quality of sourcing, and so on. Plus it's a dubious goal - why cover two distinct but related topics in the same article? Nor should a company's various brands all be lumped into the article about the company, not if the brands are notable on their own, and viable as stand-alone articles. I can't get into the claims of COI / POV editing (which might merit its own investigation and discussion), but the Teva article ought to be unmerged or recreated with better sourcing. As a model of how fashion conglomerate articles are structured, we have a separate article for the relatively unknown parent company, [[Phillips-Van Heusen]], and separate articles for subsidiary brands they have acquired such as [[Calvin Klein]], [[Tommy Hilfiger ]], and [[Izod]]. - [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 12:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' - Please consider the fact that [[Ugg boots]] already has its own article - and there should be information regarding the branded UGG Boots product in there, along with any copyright or trademark disputes - this makes sense from an encyclopaedic viewpoint. Any further content regarding the business should be in the company article. To have an article for the business division 'UGG Australia' in addition to a separate article on 'UGG Boots' will confuse the average joe user like me who goes to the Ugg boots page wanting to learn about Ugg boots. I'm an inclusionist and I'm all for more articles on Wikipedia - but not duplicates which will confuse people. Cheers [[User:IainUK|< |
*'''Comment''' - Please consider the fact that [[Ugg boots]] already has its own article - and there should be information regarding the branded UGG Boots product in there, along with any copyright or trademark disputes - this makes sense from an encyclopaedic viewpoint. Any further content regarding the business should be in the company article. To have an article for the business division 'UGG Australia' in addition to a separate article on 'UGG Boots' will confuse the average joe user like me who goes to the Ugg boots page wanting to learn about Ugg boots. I'm an inclusionist and I'm all for more articles on Wikipedia - but not duplicates which will confuse people. Cheers [[User:IainUK|<span style="color:red;">'''Iain'''</span><span style="color:blue;">'''UK'''</span>]] [[User talk:IainUK|<span style="color:green;">''talk''</span>]] 16:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::The [[Ugg boots]] article is about the generic boot, and so beyond a reference to the trademark dispute, it's not really appropriate to load it up with information about the Deckers brand. — [[User:E. Ripley|e. ripley]]\<sup>[[User talk:E. Ripley|talk]]</sup> 11:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' It is funny that you mention that UGG is not as notable as Jimmy Choo, well they are getting close! [http://www.uggaustralia.com/experience/pressreleases.aspx?p=pr] This is a press release that UGG Australia and Jimmy Choo will be collaborating this fall! ([[User:Hapamama|Hapamama]] ([[User talk:Hapamama|talk]]) 04:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Hapamama|Hapamama]] ([[User talk:Hapamama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hapamama|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}</small> |
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