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== WP:Genre assessment ==


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I am not sure where to ask for an assessment on the genre article [[Neo soul]], so can u refer me to where or assess yourself? [[User:Dan56|Dan56]] ([[User talk:Dan56|talk]]) 21:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
== Nomination of [[:Susan Alice Buffett]] for deletion ==
:Hi, Dan. I've never done a genre assessment before. I'll take a look a little later, and if I can't figure out their criteria will see who I can track down! --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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::Eeps! I forgot about this! I'm sorry. I've had a lot of copyright stuff going on. I'm on it now. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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:::I'm trying to track down somebody who can review it. I'll stay on top of it, promise. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
{{done}} [[User:Zidane tribal|Zidane tribal]] ([[User talk:Zidane tribal|talk]]) 18:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


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== RE: Copyright problem: Antonio Paoli ---> [[Casa Paoli]] ==


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Hi -


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yes, I used the material also in [[Amalia Paoli]] and maybe nowhere else since it only seemed applicable to those articles. Anyway, I went to Amalia Paoli already and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Amalia_Paoli&action=historysubmit&diff=383711711&oldid=380680347 fixed it] in a way that I believe makes it compliant. If I am not doing it correctly, tell me and maybe Marine can work on that one too, although I'd like to learn how to fix this problem by myself.


Hello,
Is it is possible that I could myself try to fix this [[Casa Paoli]] article that you blanked the way Tony The Marine fixed the other article ([[Antonio Paoli]])? Maybe you could tell me which was the last version that seemed good like you did before and give me a TEMP folder like you did Marine. Thank you, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 21:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


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: "Just let me know if you'd rather I roll it back now or if you would prefer to rewrite it first." Well, which way did Marine choose? I prefer to do it that way. Just tell me whcih one, do your rollback or whatever thing it is you'd need to do, and then I will work on the article. Is that fair? Also, did the [[Amalia Paoli]] pass your review? So I start budgeting my time for that one also if it still didn't pass and you had to blank it too. Thank you, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 21:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


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::No problem, I think I have enough info now. I will work on it from that version forward. Thanks you, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 21:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


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:::Hi, I had just "gathered my energy" to start working on those two CR-violation articles ([[Casa Paoli]] and [[Amalia Paoli]]) when I went in I realized you had touched up the latter apparently just enough to pass the necessary review. This was truly a huge relief as I can now concentrate on the other one (on [[Casa Paoli]]). I wanted to thank you. And going over to the fixing the problems with Casa Paoli, it seems that a lot of the in-violation stuff I added was about Antonio Paoli and not the house itself,,, so I expect to be able to produce rather quickly a version that does not violate CR. My POA is to take the last acceptable version and work on it offline, make CR-acceptable additions, etc, and then present it to you for approval. Would such plan be acceptable? Thanks, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 23:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


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::::Hi, I am done. Hope it looks at least half decent. Check it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mercy11/Workshop#BEGINNING_OF_CASA_PAOLI_ARTICLE HERE]. Regards, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 02:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


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:::::Done, I hope that the new version takes care of the issues involved. Happy editing everyone. [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 22:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


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== IP block evasion by [[User:Amir.Hossein.7055]] ==
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== Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research ==
This guy seems to have changed tactics somewhat. He is now editing as an IP here, but uploading images to Commons and re-adding them to the articles edited by him here on WP previously. He currently seems to edit as [[User:80.191.41.237]]. This IP consistently goes through the articles where immediately preceding edits were by [[User:Amir.Hossein.7055]]'s socks, e.g. [[Jafar Sharif-Emami‎]], [[Gholam-Reza Azhari]], [[Shapour Bakhtiar]], [[Mohammad-Javad Bahonar]], [[Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani]], [[List of Prime Ministers of Iran]], etc. He often adds images that he has uploaded to Commons under the same usernames as his socks user here on WP, eg. this edit[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ali_Daei&diff=prev&oldid=383800862] and this image[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ali_Daie.jpg]. I don't know if some sort of a rangeblock is feasible for the IP range that he is using, maybe you could look into that? Thanks, [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 09:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Having recently implemented (badly) my first range block, I may be up for this. But I'd need to identify his range. :) Let me see what I can figure out, based on previously SPI. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, thanks. I see that he has jumped to another IP, [[User:85.198.7.95]] - this IP has started re-adding the images that [[User:80.191.41.237]] tried to add earlier today, e.g. see here[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Iran%E2%80%93Kyrgyzstan_relations&action=historysubmit&diff=383837087&oldid=383809012][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Islamic_Consultative_Assembly_%28Iran%29&action=historysubmit&diff=383837117&oldid=383809051]. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 14:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::And yet another one [[User:85.198.7.37]]. The guy is persistent. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 14:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Too bad; the last range block didn't cause much damage. Let me see how widespread this one would be. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't block the entire range, as it would potentially block 134,217,728 users. I've done another narrow range block and can expand it incrementally as necessary. But I note that you also talked to [[User:Tnxman307]] about this. If you talk to more than one admin at a time about handling a problem, you may cause redundant efforts. I really appreciate your being so diligent about this sockmaster, but do please make sure you let people know when you're asking about something at more than one place to help avoid that. Range blocks are time consuming for me, because I'm not used to them. I don't mind doing it, but I'd be a bit disgruntled to investigate it only to find out somebody else had already handled it. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK, thanks and thanks, I will definitely follow your advice. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 15:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks! And thanks again for keeping such a careful eye out for him. My first rangeblock was for a similar situation: a copyright infringer sockmaster who would not take "no" for answer. Let's hope we've knocked him off stride for a bit; if not, we'll keep trying with smaller ranges. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:A new sock has just popped up, [[User:Nimatehran2010]]. He is systematically going through edits of the previous socks of Amir.Hossein.7055 and restoring those edits, e.g. here[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Abdul-Karim_Mousavi_Ardebili&action=historysubmit&diff=384366769&oldid=383841034], [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Abdul-Karim_Mousavi_Ardebili&action=historysubmit&diff=384366769&oldid=383841034] etc. I am thinking that maybe one should just start semi-protecting the pages that this guy has edited... [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 10:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::I did file a new SPI report at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Amir.Hossein.7055]], for the record. I have not filed any requests at [[WP:RPP]] yet since I wanted to get some feedback first regarding using semi-protection here. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 11:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Those articles are a great "[[honeypot]]" for finding his socks. Semi-protection will just mean that he has to edit a few other articles for a few days before he's autoconfirmed. :/ But we can always give it a shot to see if he can be discouraged that way. I need to find out how that account was created. If he did through request for account creation, we may be able to identify him. If he registered it himself, he's working through an IP we don't know yet. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello,
== David Croft (rugby union) ==


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Hi Moonriddengirl, I extended the article after your "cleaning", could you please check for the spelling? English is not my mother tongue so it's very likely you'll find either some mistakes or typos. Greetings from Italy :-) -- '''[[user:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#C00000">SERGIO</span>]]''' [[User talk:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#000000">aka '''the Black Cat''']]</span> 13:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. :) No spelling errors, although I turned a comma into a period and changed the usage of a preposition. The only real question I have is what you mean by "He retired from professional rugby in 2008 aged 28, and definitely in late 2009, aged 30." Do you mean that he still played rugby non-professional between 2008 and 2009? --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Actually Southern Emisphere rugby union is structured in clubs and franchises. The clubs are mostly non-professional and sort of tank for the franchises that are professional. Croft stopped playing professional rugby union in 2008, still aged 28 (he would be turning 29 in December, but the professional season ends in May in the Southern Emisphere). Then he went on playing for his amateur side for the rest of 2008 and the whole 2009 season that ends in December. Hope it helps to clarify. :-) Regards -- '''[[user:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#C00000">SERGIO</span>]]''' [[User talk:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#000000">aka '''the Black Cat''']]</span> 17:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


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Hi, sorry to bother you, but can you check to see if the first sentence in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=308270513 this] article created by [[User:Darius Dhlomo]] is a copyright infringement. I traced the sentence to [http://www.bestdietbooks.eu/news/Sparta-Rotterdam-season-2005%E2%80%9306.html this site], but I can't tell if the site copied WP or if it wrote the sentence. By the way, it isn't currently on the [[WP:MIRROR|list of mirrors and forks]], so...


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:Hi. :) It's no bother at all; you are very welcome! In this case, I think we can safely conclude reverse infringement. One good tip here is that they have copied other content contributed by another Wikipedian: [[FC Zwolle in the national cup]]; [http://www.bestdietbooks.eu/news/FC-Zwolle-in-the-national-cup.html] and [[Pro Evolution Soccer]]; [http://www.bestdietbooks.eu/news/Pro-Evolution-Soccer-5.html], for instance. Websites like that seem to take our text to drive up their presence in search engines. :/ Darius might have copied it from somebody, but not from those guys. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 21:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Dhlomo cleanup ==


I'd be willing to take on 10 articles to shepherd to "clean" - or is that not the way the winds are blowing? I checked WikiStalk and determined that DD hasn't contaminated any of the articles I've worked on. --[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 00:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. :) I'm not entirely sure where the winds are blowing at this point. The CCI is running atypically. As I understand it, a bot is shortly going to blank the articles he's created, but my intention is to go through the articles once they've been tagged and restore those which have already been checked and cleared. As long as you log your findings at the CCI subpage, I'll make sure your efforts aren't wasted. They're very much appreciated! We can use all the help we can get. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 01:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== 48 ==

A 48 hour block is rather lenient. I would disagree with an indefinite since indefinite usually means permanent. Consider 7 days. Anything up to 30 days would be ok with me. [[User:Suomi Finland 2009|Suomi Finland 2009]] ([[User talk:Suomi Finland 2009|talk]]) 16:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. Presuming you're talking about my last ANI action, I'm not going to adjust the term of the block myself because 48 hours seemed like a good time to me for a "first" NPA, even one as distasteful as that. But, as I said there, I realize that some may disagree and am very comfortable with anyone adjusting the time of the block for longer, though I would object to it being shortened. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 17:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Blue Moon of Kentucky ==

Thanks for the message. You know. I have a special place in my heart for editors who, rather than rewrite material that adds important content to an article, paste tags, HUGE tags, at that. That's a lot easier, isn't it, than spending time trying to paraphrase something and not mangle it? In fact this is one of the reasons I am now writing my own book! Don't know if I have the will to deal with it, so delete agway. And, really, thanks for the message. And the world at large, and the founders/admins of wikipedia wonder why interest has peaked. [[User:Steve Pastor|Steve Pastor]] ([[User talk:Steve Pastor|talk]]) 19:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:Steve, you might have picked the wrong time and the wrong place to uncivilly remark about copyvio text which has been properly tagged, and the work done by others to remove it. Please note the larger situation around you: an editor named Darius Dhlomo has damaged, through thoughtless copy/paste, thousands upon thousands of articles which must now be either mass deleted or gone over with a fine toothed comb, accompanied by mind-numbingly repetitive content-similarity searches to determine the degree of copyvio. Please note just how strong are the [[WP:COPYVIO|policy]] and consensus against ''derivative work based on plagiarized text'' (the paraphrasing which you seem to think is so easy). Please consider the "HUGE tags" a ''Call To Edit.'' And consider the words which inspired master chef [[Ferran Adria]] of the Michelin three-starred [[El Bulli]], from the great French chef Jacques Maximin, '''"Creativity means not copying."''' ([http://www.elbulli.com/historia/version_imprimible/1961-2006_en.pdf History of El Bulli], p. 29). <!-- and note that I put the quite short quote IN QUOTES, and attributed it properly. -->
:--[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 13:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bill Black ==

ditto [[User:Steve Pastor|Steve Pastor]] ([[User talk:Steve Pastor|talk]]) 19:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Feel like deleting some images as presumed copyvio? ==

So [[User:GrapedApe]] had done a fantastic job with one of our image CCIs and has sorted the remaining images by EXIF data and given some analysis at [[Wikipedia talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Conk 9]]. I've looked them over and agree with his conclusions, but I figured that maybe I could just ask you to look at them directly instead of doing a mass listing at [[WP:PUF]] and waiting the two weeks there. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:Lovely! I'll be happy to pop by with my mop. The CCI process is meant in part to avoid PUF listings when unnecessary; no reason to drag it out. BTW, speaking of image CCIs, I'm organizing Norton's into files that will need looking at and files that don't. Once I get that done, I'm planning to ask for assistance at [[WT:NFC]], as many of them will require determining whether usage of the image meets that guideline. There will also be some images that will need evaluation to determine if they truly are PD by age or whatever criteria is being alleged. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I've been following your progress on organizing that one, I just haven't made the time to jump in and help yet. [[WT:NFC]] sounds good for recruiting help, and probably also [[WP:MCQ]] since it's the highest-traffic image copyright board. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::No worries about jumping in. :) It's a bit tedious, but not demanding at this stage. Most of his images, as you know, are clearly fine. I could probably do a better job of organizing if I were more comfortable with consensus on NF images of dead people, but as I have had an image for which I wrote just such a FUR deleted, I recuse myself from that judgment. I can't make any sense of when such images are purely decorative and when they are actually encyclopedically useful. :/ --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. The only ones I didn't delete were an image on Commons that is a derivative of somebody else's image and seems legit and an image on Commons that I can't delete, but have nominated for deletion. If that's all that is remaining, you can close it out, and I'm off to barnstar GrapedApe. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you! It's now closed. One more down, 34 to go... Maybe the motivation for Darius Dhlomo will stick around and we'll acquire some additional helpers for some of the others too. ^_^ [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 18:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Thanks for responding, but I'm not sure if I'm complicating this matter more than I need to. [[User:Favoritething|Favoritething]] ([[User talk:Favoritething|talk]]) 15:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Well, I think it's glaringly obvious. How exactly do I proceed? [[User:Favoritething|Favoritething]] ([[User talk:Favoritething|talk]]) 15:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Thanks in advance!
[[Robyn Hitchcock]] at 13:34 and 13:36. [[User:Favoritething|Favoritething]] ([[User talk:Favoritething|talk]]) 15:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for assisting me in this learning process! [[User:Favoritething|Favoritething]] ([[User talk:Favoritething|talk]]) 15:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== question ==

I nominated an article for deletion. I think I did not do the link in the edit summary correctly. Is it possible to fix that? [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Catholic_beliefs_on_the_power_of_prayer&diff=prev&oldid=384420364] [[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 17:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, Malke.No, really, the only thing you would be able to do is make a "dummy" edit to the article and put in a new edit summary. It's not ''really'' necessary, as the AfD is linked from the article's face. But if you do it, just add a blank line or remove one from the categories or other sections and put in the edit summary you meant. I see that your nom statement includes the following: "Reason Malke 2010 (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)" You may want to remove that. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 17:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. That's a relief. I'll leave it as is. Also, I do have concerns about copyright violations on this article. The editor will not provide reliable sources. When I questioned an edit I know I've seen elsewhere, he simply deleted it. I've also seen this edit elsewhere on a Catholic website: [[Catholic_beliefs_on_the_power_of_prayer#Prayer_as_a_source_of_strength|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_beliefs_on_the_power_of_prayer#Prayer_as_a_source_of_strength]]. These websites are not duplicating Wiki articles like Wapedia, etc. These are original pieces by laity. Also, a lot of material seems to be taken from New Advent, a lay Catholic encyclopedia but without attribution. I'll get you some links in a bit, I have to go out for a bit.[[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 18:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Possible violation? ==

I'm sure you've got plenty on your plate regardless, but do you think [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=R._Wayne_Baughman&oldid=221998284 this article] could be a violation? I'm finding nothing via google except for the end list of inducted Oklahomans which was stripped from [http://www.wrestlingusa.com/02%20wusa%20web%20root/nationalhalloffame/Nationalhalloffam.html here]. The style seems very much like a biography written for his induction into the hall of fame, or perhaps a similar career retrospective. It's also very unusual that this rookie editor randomly appeared a year after his last edit to create a complete article and nothing more. SFB/[[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|talk]] 21:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that those are red flags. Let me see if I can find something out. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 21:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::I've got nothing, although those lengthy quotes are probably a problem under [[WP:NFC]]. Certainly, they're inadequately cited. Given that this contributor is long gone, I think there are probably two good options here: we can rewrite it proactively with sourced content or we can tag the talk page with {{tl|Cv-unsure}}, revisiting it ''later'' to rewrite it with sourced content if nobody else has done so. Since it seems to be a BLP (I don't see a death date), I'd go for the former. It might ''not'' be a copyvio, but since it doesn't meet our other core policies it doesn't matter much. :/ --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 21:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Copyright question ==

Hi. I'd like to ask about copyright in the context of Darius Dhlomo's contributions. I'm not arguing with the decisions made, I'm just trying to understand. Can you tell me, for example, why [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=185612132 this] is a copyvio? It seems to me that these are just facts. In order for something to be copyrightable, I feel that there has to be some original creativity in the work. - [[User:Richardcavell|Richard Cavell]] ([[User talk:Richardcavell|talk]]) 23:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
*There's a discussion with Moonriddengirl of whether such things are copyrightable at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI#Cyclist tables]] that you should read first, in order to prevent covering some of the same ground again. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 23:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
**Thanks, Uncle G. :) Yes, Richard, you might find that conversation helpful. Nobody is saying that all of his content is infringing, though we know a significant amount of it is. If that conversation doesn't satisfy you, please let me know; I'll be happy to go over it further. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
***No, I'm happy. I accept that if some of his content is copyvio, then it's better to err on the side of deleting all of his edits and starting again, since it's impractical to personally assess each contribution. However, I maintain that some of his contributions are not copyvio. - [[User:Richardcavell|Richard Cavell]] ([[User talk:Richardcavell|talk]]) 00:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
****No, many of them will not be. I've estimated all along that the problematic articles will come down to hundreds rather than thousands. I'm not advocating deleting his content wholesale; we're just requesting assistance of the community in reviewing the content. Work on this has been going quite quickly, so I hope we'll get it all sorted and back into circulation soon! --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
*****I'd offer to help, but I'm lost by some of the terminology, as you are. I wouldn't know how to interpret the information, let alone find whether it's a copyvio. - [[User:Richardcavell|Richard Cavell]] ([[User talk:Richardcavell|talk]]) 00:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
******You can help if you get the chance just by making sure that others know what's going on. :) I'm sure this is bound to cause some confusion. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
******Perhaps you'd like to give some feedback on [[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help]], then. You're in an ideal position. What more could it do to explain how to help, to you? [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 00:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
*******Well, some of this you only find out once the FAQ become "frequently asked". :) It had not occurred to me that we would need to repeat the instructions from CCI that people with a history of copyright problems should not undertake this work. It seems that some people are worried about mass deletion. I'll reread it to see if I can minimize that impression. Right now, I'm double-checking our first major snafu to see if other copyvios have been restored. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
********I was actually asking Richardcavell, who seems perfectly placed (in not knowing how to help) to explain to us how to make the instructions better &mdash; what they aren't explaining and so forth. As to your second point: That's why I put the big green box at the top of the task explanation. &#9786; [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 00:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
*********Oh, of course. I should have noticed the threading. :D --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
*****<small>I've done a sample run of 22 articles with the 'bot, deliberately choosing one that you've already deleted as part of the test; found and fixed two problems; and am awaiting developments at [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Uncle G's major work 'bot]]. I have a list of titles and a working script to feed to it. I'm ready. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 00:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</small>

== Trackinfo ==

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On my talk page, {{user|67.119.12.29}} has pointed out the edit history of {{article|Pat McCormick (diver)}} and from that the edit history of {{user|Trackinfo}}. From there I find some rather disappointing statements at [[Wikipedia talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help]], including statements that Darius Dhlomo's "legwork" in creating "these highly accurate wikifications of public record documents" is "so valuable" that "I would be willing to overlook the occasional tendency toward copyright violations in prose". Note that this editor has been crossing many articles off the list. If this is the level of review by this editor, what you now have ticked off on the list is tainted. I suggest a very strong word. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 23:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:He is not eligible to help, as CCI clean up can only be done by those with no history of copyright infringement. From CCI: '''All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to clean up.''' At the very least, there's [[Ventura County Transportation Commission]], which was deleted as a copyvio. There may be other issues, but that one is at the top of his current talk page. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way, he's already reintroduced a copyvio. See his talk page. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[Casa Paoli]] ==

Hi,
I posted a message [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMoonriddengirl&action=historysubmit&diff=384099477&oldid=384090715 here] 2 days ago, but never got an approved/not approved response. I spent more than a mouse click of time working on something that complied with your suggestions, recommendations etc, but while awaiting your response another user who had worked on the article just went in removed your copyvio and with a mouse click installed an older version. I never received a response to my message. Was my version which incorporated your suggestions verbatim (except for some erroneous info that apparently you missed) not approved? Thanks, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 00:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I'm sorry; copyright cleanup can get hectic, and this past week has been particularly so. I'm afraid I misunderstood your note. Since I had said those were the only lingering issues, when you wrote, "Done, I hope that the new version takes care of the issues involved. Happy editing everyone" I presumed you had put your content into place and thought that the "happy editing everyone" had a bit of a farewell to it. :) But, there's no great harm that you didn't, because you can do so now. Those were the only issues I found. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 01:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

::I am pointed to this discussion here by Mercy11, and given another link. Neither this conversation here nor the other link indicate to me that the situation is magically cleaned up. I am involved in the Casa Paoli article too, and feeling some responsibility to see that it is cleaned up properly, given my personal contact with NRHP nomination document author and photographer. I reverted the article to an earlier version before the long passage noted at [[Talk:Casa Paoli]] was added. I want to see that the article does not contain close paraphrasing without proper attribution (which would usually involve NOT close paraphrasing, or exact copying plus use of explicit quotation marks). The article was pretty good when it was DYK. I don't see need for copying or near copying of material. Anyhow, I will follow at I'll follow discussion at [[Talk:Casa Paoli]]. --[[User:Doncram|doncram]] ([[User talk:Doncram|talk]]) 03:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Hi. As I'm doing that whole "uninvolved admin" bit, my only concern here is whether the content is copyvio clear. Other than that, I leave it to involved contributors to oversee the development. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Shalvoy clean-up ==

Just logged in to do it ! Sorry you had to do it; busy couple of weeks. --[[User:Cmagha|Cmagha]] ([[User talk:Cmagha|talk]]) 02:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:No problem. It came up in the list at [[WP:CP]], and it wasn't so hard to clean. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[Adish Aggarwala]] ==

Looks like you cleaned up copyvio here before, but there seems some attempts to re-add copyrighted info e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Adish_Aggarwala&diff=384432034&oldid=384426154] from [http://www.indlii.org/Chairman.aspx].

I came across this from the comment on [[User talk:Jimbo Wales#Adish Aggarwala]], thought it worth letting you know. Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks! I've rev deleted again and am now watchlisting. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== merger question ==

What's the best way to propose an article merger? And also, is it acceptable to post this proposal on the relevant Wikiprojects page, or is that seen as [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]?[[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 14:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:Well, as I said [[User:Malke 2010/Mentorship#Merging articles|here]], you start by following the steps at [[Help:Merge#Proposing a merger]]. Note that it directs that if you think the merge will be controversial, you should consider listing the merge at [[Wikipedia:Proposed mergers]]. As far as notifying the project is concern, a lot will depend on the circumstances. A brief, neutral notice that a merge discussion has been launched might not be inappropriate if you fear that the conversation will not attract responders. The thing is to keep it limited and neutral and to make sure you don't cherry pick the project to get the result you want. Hard to come up with an example of that, so I'll fictionalize one. If you wanted to propose the merger of [[Wal-Mart (Store 12 Des Moines, Iowa)]] into [[Wal-Mart]], you wouldn't notify [[Wikipedia:WikiProject individual stores should not have articles]]. That would look like you were deliberately choosing a project you expected to support you.

:If you do notify the project, to best avoid concerns about canvassing, don't go into your reasons or necessarily even make obvious your position. Simply say something like, "There is a proposal to merge [[Wal-Mart (Store 12 Des Moines, Iowa)]] into [[Wal-Mart]]. Interested contributors are invited to weigh in at [[Talk:Wal-Mart#Merge proposal]]. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
::I love the Walmart example. That's exactly what I needed to know in presenting the proposal to the relevant page. Thanks.[[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 16:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Item you deleted ==

Hello,

We need to retrieve information from a insertion you deleted, according to the site. The article was regardign author Gary Alan Wassner. How do we retrieve the information? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/96.232.208.153|96.232.208.153]] ([[User talk:96.232.208.153|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 17:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hi. I'm afraid that I cannot restore content that was deleted for copyright infringement, but if it is of any use to you, the article is substantially the same as [http://www.redroom.com/author/gary-alan-wassner/bio/ this]. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 17:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


== Possible plagiarism ==

Would you mind investigating whether [[Central place theory]] is plagiarized or not? I came across a report on the talk page that it might be, but I don't have time to properly investigate. I saw this while demo-ing Wikipedia for a class for the Public Policy Initiative, so it would be nice to report back to the class that we did something about it! :) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 19:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I'll take a look at it and see what I can figure out. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Whew, that was a bit of a slog. :) I'd say "unlikely" and I've commented at the article talk page. I'd need to see more sources to be really sure, but I think the structure is the standard way ''anyone'' would describe the theory. The ordering and development of the concepts look subtly different as you read farther down, if someone was being lazy, they weren't being lazy enough. :) The original publication of the theory would be of great interest, but it's likely in German anyway. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 20:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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== are you around? ==

Hi MRG, are you around right now?[[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 23:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:I take it you're not. Good, I hope you're lying down in a dark quiet room with an ice pack. Feel better. [http://www.flowerstochennai.com/images/flowers/50white.jpg] [[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 00:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you. :) As I said at your mentorship page, I am feeling much better this morning. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Rajesh khanna ==

you had once suggested that its better to make a seperate page Rajesh Khanna Filmography.

iam not aware as to how it should be made or edited.if the page is created i can definitely help you update the filmography.
it would be better if Rajesh Khanna Filmography is created seperately with 6 columns Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes.


the reason being that many things about khanna is missing from the wikipedia article right now, but if information is added then page will look longer so seperate page of filmography is the need of hour.

preferably the new page of Rajesh Khanna Filmography should appear under letter R and not K. I MEAN IN THIS LINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Filmographies

[[User:Shrik88music|Shrik88music]] ([[User talk:Shrik88music|talk]]) 01:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:Hi. I'm not intending to make a filmography for this individual, but good luck to you should you choose to do so. If you have not yet found a mentor, as I've suggested in the past, a mentor might be able to help you with formatting. Alternatively, you can visit the [[WP:HD|help desk]]. I'm afraid I still do not have time for taking on new duties at this point. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:33, 14 zSeptember 2010 (UTC)


atleast tell me how should i create tht page in such a way that it does appear in that link under R to the world.i cn fill up all those six columns viz. Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes. by myself but only if iam able to create that page.[[User:Shrik88music|Shrik88music]] ([[User talk:Shrik88music|talk]]) 18:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:If you create the article as [[Rajesh Khanna Filmography]], it will appear under R to the world. The only way it will appear under K is if somebody puts in a code requesting that it appear there instead. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 19:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


I HAVE CREATED http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajesh_Khanna_Filmography.

but please show me six colomuns with the headings i asked for. later on gradually i will fill it up[[User:Shrik88music|Shrik88music]] ([[User talk:Shrik88music|talk]]) 19:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:Please visit the [[WP:HD|help desk]]. I'm afraid I do not have time. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 19:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I have crrated a seperate page Rajesh Khanna Filmography.
iam not aware as to how it should be edited that there would be 6 columns Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes.
i wil by myself manage to fill up all details if u dont have time but just create that page with those 6 columns atleast.
if you would be able to fill up the columns actresses,year,role with help of the already created filmography by me at present it would be great. gradually i will fill the columns roles,other notes,director.[[User:Shrik88music|Shrik88music]] ([[User talk:Shrik88music|talk]]) 19:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I do not wish to be unhelpful, but I'm afraid that I don't even have time to do the work that I ''need'' to do. I have suggested mentorship would be helpful for you. If you don't want to seek mentorship, that's fine, but we do have a [[WP:HD|help desk]] with volunteers who ''do'' have time to help you and will be happy to do so. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 19:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::''Don't worry – I've sorted it. I'm sure you've got enough on your plate with the Darius Dhlomo work. I really admire all the hard work you put in. Best regards — [[User:Hebrides|Hebrides]] ([[User talk:Hebrides|talk]]) 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)''
:::Thank you! I appreciate your giving him a hand. I hate turning anybody away. :/ --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
i by myself keep taking help from few selected people as they seem to be intelligent and not biased fans....rajesh khanna article must be made semi protected i feel as those who have not got themselves registered are editing rajesh khana article[[User:Shrik88music|Shrik88music]] ([[User talk:Shrik88music|talk]]) 09:16, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[West Baden Springs Hotel]] ==

Greetings, MRG!
I have finally come to a stopping point on the rewrite of this article, which had close paraphrasing.
It is located at [[User:Mgreason/Sandbox 2]], and I'd appreciate another set of eyes reviewing it.
I'm not in a big hurry, but if you expect to be unavailable for a week or more, I will make other arrangements.
Thanks! [[User:Mgreason|<span style="color:purple">Mgrē@sŏn</span>]] 03:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I have no such expectations. :) I've put it on my mental "to do" list, but this morning has been crazy already. If I should lose that list, as I sometimes do, please give me a nudge. :D --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== WP:WIKIHOUNDING ==

Hi, sometime ago we talked and you suggested that I should no longer look at the mentorship page you had for Malke, given that I noticed that you had asked her to stop following me. I respected that request for keeping that page semi-private and have not looked there, but Malke wants a reference to that discussion. Instead of looking on there for a diff, could you please comment on [[User_talk:Malke_2010#WP:WIKIHOUND_warning]]. Thanks. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 08:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I didn't mean at all to suggest that you shouldn't look at the page. I've only requested that others keep their comments to her main page. That said, I'll follow your link. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== ORTS ==

Hi there, If possible please look in to ORTS tickets for following files File:NH 45 Ulundurpet Padalur.JPG and File:Udaipur_highway.jpg. I already sent mail to ORTS today. Thanks [[User:KuwarOnline|<b><font color="#007FAA">KuwarOnline</font></b>]]''' <b><sup>[[User talk:KuwarOnline|<font color="#AA22CC">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup></b> 09:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I'll be happy to take a look once I've caught up with on Wikipedia stuff, probably within a few hours. If it has not been handled before then and I find it, I'll process it. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Close paraphrasing ==

{{tb|CeeGee|Close paraphrasing}}

== [[User talk:Thirdaccount]] ==

Hi Moonriddengirl. I wonder if you could take a look at what this user is saying on their talkpage? They posted a bunch of ozone related articles, two of which are copyright violations (one from an UNEP site, the other of a news article which the user asserts is itself a copyvio of original UNEP text). He/she is saying that they are trying to create the pages and are the original owner, and that they will edit out the copyright violations. I was thinking of offering to move them to userspace for them to work on them, but really my understanding is G12 applies over all namespaces.

I'm really not sure how to proceed. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] ([[User talk:Syrthiss|talk]]) 12:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:Sure. I'll come right over. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] ([[User talk:Syrthiss|talk]]) 12:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you had any more communication with Thirdaccount through OTRS about permissions? Looks like another person in his/her office has started [[OAs Initiatives]] which is copyright violation from http://www.unep.fr/ozonaction/about/mf.htm (and nocontext to boot, in that if I didn't know what it was about at this point it would be hard to tie the article to the name). I didn't want to act on it in case you had been getting emails from Thirdaccount. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] ([[User talk:Syrthiss|talk]]) 15:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, not a thing. :/ --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Boo, this is really troubling. Not only are they creating copyright violations that would be so easy to fix, but all of this leaves a bad taste of using wikipedia for advertising for their initiative. :( [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] ([[User talk:Syrthiss|talk]]) 15:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:::I agree. There's a clear COI. Would you consider filing a notice about this at the COI noticeboard? I've got ''so'' much copyright work to do and so little time to do it. :/ Given how little ground I made on the copyright problem with them, I'm loathe to even try to explain [[WP:COI]] and [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations]]. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::::Sure, I can do that. Lemme pop over there. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] ([[User talk:Syrthiss|talk]]) 16:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! I'll go see if I can get the work done at [[WP:CP]]. :) Here's hoping a fresh voice of reason can hold sway. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 16:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Undelete ==

Missed that it was under discussion, sorry - I see that you beat me to the undelete, too. Looks like I need a cup of coffee. Thanks, [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 12:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:It's fine - your restoration was completely proper, especially since you were directly referring to it. The important bit is that you told me after, which is exactly right. No worries, and hope it all works out. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 12:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Okely dokely ==

Here is a "good" question for you. What to do in the case of many possible image copyvios from one user? If it were only a few of them I would just tag them as I did [[:File:64 Eric Pinkett.jpg]] and not bother you. However as I started to look over the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=upload&user=Johnwh users image uploads] I began to notice they were mostly marked the same - "Own photograph"/"own photo". Some are marked as "own artwork" and only one is/was marked as "This is my own personal photograph taken in 1964". So I dug deeper and the user runs a website about [http://www.lsso.co.uk/ "players from the Eric Pinkett era"] of the [[Leicestershire Schools Symphony Orchestra]]. Now here comes the bigger copyright issue - while the website states ''No permission is required to download or print any of the items.'' it also gives ''gratitude and thanks to all former players who made contributions to the Photo Gallery, and particularly to Nigel Pinkett for the 'Special Collections' section.'' Wikipedia has no proof that any of the actual photographers signed over their copyright to the uploader so they could license them here via {{tl|PD-self}}. Aside from that there may also be a COI concern (Ok, well there *is* a COI concern) because since October 2009 the uploader (Most likely also [[Special:Contributions/86.144.118.211|I.P 86.144.118.211]]) has been the main contributor to the [[Peter G. Fletcher]] article, which they are mentioned in, and, since May 2007, the main contributor to the [[Leicestershire Schools Symphony Orchestra]]. (Possible to also be [[Special:Contributions/86.130.109.46|I.P 86.130.109.46]], [[Special:Contributions/86.144.118.45|I.P 86.144.118.45]] and [[Special:Contributions/86.130.118.93|I.P 6.130.118.93]]) There is also some [[WP:OWN]] going on as well it seems - [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:THD3&diff=next&oldid=274708595 "My article has been somewhat decimated."]

So where to start? Is there a protocol in place for dealing with this many images or do I just start tagging them all {{tl|di-no permission}} and ask for OTRS's to be sent in for each image on the users talk page? Or should send all the unused ones to PUI and tagged the used ones with {{tl|di-no permission}}? Advice welcome. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 14:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:Good place to start: talking to the guy. Is he still active? If so, drop a note on his talk page politely letting him know your concerns and that if he has uploaded content to Wikipedia from other photographers we need verification of their license. I'd recommend being very friendly at this stage; he's likely to be dismayed by the situation, and a spoonful of sugar surely helps. When the contributor is working on good faith, this is always a good approach to telling somebody, "Hi, you may have created a major problem!"

:If he asserts that he ''is'' the photographer of all of the images, and you feel you have good reason to doubt him, I think you basically have two options: [[WP:PuF]] or [[WP:FfD]]. I would not go the {{tl|di-no permission}} process unless he akcnowledges that he is ''not'' the photographer but does not within reasonable time verify permission through OTRS. The COI concern is a separate issue, and I would leave it to resolve for after resolving the copyright concern. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Did it. Placed a message on the talk page. Thanks. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 16:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Blocked Malke ==

I just wanted to let you know that I blocked Malke for 24 hours over that Raccolta comment -- it seems to me to be a clear case of [[WP:HOUND]].--[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I really don't know what to say about this one. :/ I think she's acting in good faith but confusion on the copyright issue, but the whole situation with the ANI report has just gotten out of hand, and it was so unnecessary. :( (massively discouraged) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Indeed, I thought your summary in the ANI thread was insightful and highlighted the same things I'd observed. Unfortunately, things appear to have flared up after I went to bed. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 17:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Thank you. Your advice at your talk page was also spot on. I hope that these two can come to some accord in their work, if they are going to continue working on the same article types. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 18:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

[[Image:Barnstar anchor plate.jpg|thumb|right|Your efforts on copyright problems are greatly appreciated!]]
I wanted to say thank you for the incredible amount of effort you have put in on keeping Wikipedia's copyright problem under control. It's not always well appreciated work, but it's important, and it means a lot to me that you've been so diligent and involved.

Thank you! [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] ([[User talk:Georgewilliamherbert|talk]]) 20:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thank ''you'', so much. Today is a perfect day for it, too. :) (Sometimes it seems a bit overwhelming.) I try, and I'm always encouraged by how many Wikipedians are willing to pitch in to help. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 20:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Request ==

Can you delete the edit summary/comment for [[:File:Hank3.jpg]] to remove the personal information? [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 21:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:[[:File:Henry Grow.jpg]] too. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 21:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::If I'm not mistaken, we have to reupload the picture and delete it for that to happen. We had a recent request through OTRS for similar, and revdeletion did no good with the images. Can you reupload with proper attribution? If so, I'll delete. And if that doesn't work, I'll run to [[User:Avraham]] for help, because he's the one who fixed the problem the last time. :D --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::New copies uploaded. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 12:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Can you look at the logs for the first image and see if that worked? If the identifying information is still visible in the logs, I'll ask Avi to help. (It's still visible to me, but I don't know if that's just because I'm an admin.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::[[:File:Hank3.jpg]] looks good, the only upload I see is mine and in history there's only my two edits. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Good to know. :) I've done the other one. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks! [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

And another one unrelated to the above - {{user|Dalbster}} from one of our more recent CCIs is back after their 72-hour block as {{IP|92.4.238.19}} and is now adding more copyvio (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=384229115&oldid=prev this addition] copied from [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZPYuWybr4 this source]. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 21:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I've rolled back and warned. It's pretty obviously the same person, but.... Any more copyvios out of that IP will lead to longer sanctions. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I hadn't rolled back yet since I keep finding earlier and earlier copyvio and have been trying to figure out if ''anything'' in that article is clean. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I wondered that. I ran it through the Earwig checked and spot-checked a couple but didn't find matches, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find a source for quite a lot of that. Often, people return to the copyrighted text pool because they ''can't'' generate their own content. :/ (If you have a mo', can you tell me: does [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents/CCI#Can_we_slow_down_please.3F|this post from me]] make sense?) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::::So far I've found sources for everything I've looked for, it's just been taking me time to look through sources I know Dalbster copied from and I just haven't made it back to the beginning of the articles yet and I'd rather not have to remove ''all'' of the plot summaries. <sigh> Anyways, I think your post there makes sense. It (to me at least) does a good job of explaining why we have to take action like we (try to) do when copyright problems are brought to light. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 14:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Good ol' pile of 'stars ==

[[File:Wikimedia conference chapters meeting 2009 9452.jpg|thumb|left]]
Thank you for your incredible work on copyrights... I will never have your determination, but you will always have my admiration. (Did that rhyme by any chance?) [[User:Renata3|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata3|talk]]) 00:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you! :D And for the rhyme! --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== bot task explanation (to Moonriddengirl and Uncle G) ==
{{infobox|title=This CCI case|header1=CCI pages|data2=[[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo|CCI case main page]]<br/>[[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/Task explanation|'bot task explanation]]<br/>[[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help|how to help]]<br/>[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Uncle G's major work 'bot|'bot discussion]]<br/>[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI|cleanup discussion]]<br/>[[Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:The-Pope/DDCCI list|changes to the 10,000 articles]]<br/>[[:Category:Articles tagged for CCI copyright problems|list of tagged articles]]|header3=Policy|data4=[[Wikipedia:Copyright policy|Copyright policy]]<br/>|headerstyle=background:grey;}}

I've started rewriting the bot task explanation for a more general readership. Please tell me (preferably here) if you think

[[Wikipedia talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/Task explanation/sandbox]]

is heading in the right direction.

[[Special:Contributions/75.62.2.105|75.62.2.105]] ([[User talk:75.62.2.105|talk]]) 02:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think that the task explanation should stick to just that: the explanation of what the task being performed is. We don't need a "How can you help?" section. I suggest refactoring what's already there and placing it into the "Why this is happening" and "What happens next" sections. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 11:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

*I would prefer a slightly more businesslike opening than "Welcome to the CCI Bot-assisted copyright cleanup of September 2010." :) It sounds very like a community rock festival or something, and I'm not sure that it's going to strike the right tone for the dismayed and angry, of which we will encounter ''plenty''. (Voice of experience here. People ''do'' shoot the messenger.) I wonder if we could remove Darius Dhlomo's name from the header of any versions, while I'm at it. Those who choose to contributor can read the specifics further down. Those who just want to know why the article is blanked don't need to. I see, Uncle G, that Darius has been subject to some abuse. :( I like the "What is happening" explanation; it's thorough and it suggests the [[WP:AGFC]]. I think from there, though, that I prefer the original's brevity of just going straight into "Where this was discussed" and "What happens next." Those who want to help can follow the instructions. I'd incorporate some of "How many and which of those articles actually infringe?" into "What happens next." --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 12:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**<small>At least it's on my talk page now, not Darius Dhlomo's. I had my 'bot clear my talk page because I knew this was coming. &#9786; [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 13:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</small>
*This is not to say, of course, that there's nothing there that I like. On the contrary, I like the short and long factual answers. I also like the idea of greater flow. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 13:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
*I defer to MRG about the rock festival issue and will try to make a change. I agree about removing DD's name from the header, and in general about not plastering it around more than necessary. I think we need to address several types of readers, maybe by splitting the page out to two or more separate documents:
**Readers who come across one of those articles while looking for info, see that template, and wonder what's going on but probably won't get involved in review/cleanup
**Editors involved in athletics articles / copyright cleanup / general maintenance, who might want to help with reviewing
**Non-Wikipedians who hear about the incident on (kidding I hope) CNN, probably in some distorted form (the WP Signpost article already had problems) and think WP is a nest of copyright pirates. So the idea is to have some kind of FAQ explaining the overall situation to the best of our knowledge, and what we are doing about it.
*The bot is likely to cause considerable disruption and get people asking questions, so before we launch it, I think it's worth our while to create some reasonably complete and well-organized writeups to point people to. So that's what I was trying to start in on. Obviously there's a ways to go. I'd much appreciate any further thoughts. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 20:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**We ''already have'' such a split. We've had it for more than a week. Again, see the executive summary at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI#Implementing bot?]]. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 21:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
***Reasonable point about that split in the exec summary, but I think the need for an overview is not addressed by what is listed there. The idea is to have a completed document or two (that are editable like anything else, but that organize the info and present it in finished form) rather than pointing into the middle of discussions that sprawl all over the place. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 23:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
****Some merger of the two documents would seem good to me. I'd like to keep the lead businesslike, myself. But we need to get whatever we're going to use drawn together quickly, I think, as we've already publicized this. Delay in implementation is only going to further add to the confusion, I fear. But I ''would'' like to see some explicit mention in this document that only contributors with no history of copyright problems should help out. We've already had one problem related to that, and it's best to make sure that everyone is aware of that up front. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
*****Please feel free to edit or merge/transfer anything I wrote as you see fit. I can probably spend some more time on it tonight but have other stuff to do between now and then. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 23:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
******All right, will do. But this ''is'' tonight in my part of the world, so I probably won't do anything until tomorrow. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
****If you want some completed document to work on, [[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo]] is now the place. Note the navigational infoboxes. The cleanup instructions there require review. The quick overview requires expansion. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 02:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
*****The cleanup instructions look like (I'm guessing) standard CCI instructions and as such they seem ok to me. More to the point, the CCI pages are directed at people involved in cleaning up articles. This is going to be such a disruptive operation that I'm thinking we need a FAQ-like document geared mostly towards folks who just want a quick understanding of what's going on, but probably don't wan't to get involved themselves. Does that make any sense? That's part of what I was aiming at in the sandbox text linked above. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 06:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
******Then please work on the new section of that page that I've just started. &#9786; This is, after all, the ''main CCI case page''. I've put it at the top of all of the navigation boxes. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 11:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
*****I added a bit of intro to the overview. I'm quite uncomfortable writing about how to assess the legal status of anything so I'm going to leave the cleanup section alone. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 09:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
===Comment from Franamax===
{{hatnote|Moved from previous section by [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]); I hope nobody minds}}
*Just stalking here, but as a matter of principle I frown on asking BAG to make these kind of decisions. Requesting the bot flag is essentially saying "I m going to make thousands of edits without really looking at any of them and I want the special bit that lets me do this without any recentchanges patrollers seeing it (even though it will flood individual people's watchlists and the most common response of bot operators is to steadfastly deny they ever did a single thing wrong, <u>I'm</u> not like that and anyway it's too late to go back once I've run the bot)". Now, I'm philosophically opposed to simple blanking of articles created with a copyvio, because I feel it devalues the subsequent work of many others and paints much to broad of a stroke, so maybe you should ignore me. And I realize my alternative of examining each case and dealing with it appropriately is very time-consuming and I haven't done my share, ao again, maybe you should ignore me. I'd rather see a much more tightly defined task though, like if the article was created with 10 bytes of content and is now 100Kbytes by other editors, will it still get blanked? [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**Franamax, the best place to bring up points like that is [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI|Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/CCI]], where wider discussion of this operation is happening. I think the point of the BRFA is to get technical feedback about the bot operation itself, rather than to get a bot flag (a separate decision). Re your question about a 10-byte article with 100k of later contributions, yes it would still get blanked, but then anyone looking at the edit history could see what had happened and unblank it. In practice most of these articles have little substantial editing by anyone other than Darius. [[Special:Contributions/75.62.2.105|75.62.2.105]] ([[User talk:75.62.2.105|talk]]) 05:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**Just to add to that: Franamax, you really should have read [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Uncle G's major work 'bot]] first, before writing the above. You are not correctly informed. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 11:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
***Picking up with [[User:Franamax]], this isn't my ideal solution, either, but we currently have hundreds of thousands of articles that require review at CCI, with over 20,000 alone in this CCI. The listing already excludes anything below the "minimum" threshhold by this creator (100 bytes, I believe). We have CCIs over a year old. Leaving them unblanked does nobody any favors, either, as contributors who build derivative works off of unusable bases will have completely wasted their time. At least with ''this'' method, they are informed. I'd much rather find the article I want to work on blanked and know I have to start over than put hours into something that will later be deleted, especially if I'm then told, "Oh, yes, we knew last year that all of his stuff was going to have to go, but we didn't get around to it in time to keep you from wasting your effort." :/ Beyond that, the operations of bots and their capacities are well beyond me, so I leave that one to people who understand them. ;) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

=== CorenSearchBot ===
Maybe the CorenBot could be programmed to identify copyrighted text added to existing articles so that this fiasco doesn't happen again?[[User:Dr. Blofeld|'''<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.</em>''']] [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|'''<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld</em>''']] 15:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
*From what I understand (and I am not a bot person, by a long shot!) this is not really possible because of the amount of material added to existing articles and the workload it would place and because of the prevalence of Wikimedia mirrors. Coren's got a pretty good ratio of actual problems/false positives, but I suspect that would tank if he tried this. :/ --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I think you're right. And mirror sites are always a problem... The question is how to stop this sort of thing happening. [[User:Dr. Blofeld|'''<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black"> Dr.</em>''']] [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|'''<em style="font-family:Calisto MT;color:black">Blofeld</em>''']] 16:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
*Now that I have a backup copy of CorenSearchBot's code running I've been thinking about playing with it to try and do just this, since we won't really know how feasible it is until it actually runs, but other things keep climbing ahead of it on my todo list. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney|talk]]) 16:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**Chances are, you'll drown in false positives unless you manage to have and maintain a list of mirrors and (legitimate) copies of Wikipedia articles. I tried running version 3 of the code over recent changes, with a trigger that it needed to be a substantial addition (IIRC, > 300 words or so) and even then it had trouble doing the web searches fast enough, and it was buried in hits.<p>Mind you, if you did the search on the ''added text'' as opposed to resulting article, you might have better success &mdash; but diffs aren't very good to determine what is addition or not since it's newline (i.e. paragraph) based. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 16:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**Plus, of course, there's the problem of the search engine that the 'bot uses. Yahoo doesn't pick up, at least from the search strings that I used, the copyright violation at [[Maurizio Damilano]] that Dr. Blofeld was talking about earlier, for example. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 18:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
***That too; though it's fairly simple to switch search engines. (Indeed, it already has the code to use Google instead &mdash; which gave better results &mdash; but whose license did not allow that use) &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 18:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
*In these Darius articles there's lots of text that's obviously copied from ''somewhere'' (because Darius doesn't write like that), but gets no search hits, so all we can do is blank it and rewrite it. [[Special:Contributions/67.119.14.196|67.119.14.196]] ([[User talk:67.119.14.196|talk]]) 19:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
**I agree. Unless the text is very simple, I would presume infringement in line with [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations]]. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Creating a page for the SOA-manifesto]] ==

As the header says - I'll let you answer this one. :) [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 10:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:Replied. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
== [[User:Iop23]] ==

It appears that this new editor has created a number of questionable articles. You have initiated a review of some of the work, but the article [[Action on Methyl Bromide]] is very strange also. We would normally include such content in [[Methyl bromide]]. I recomend that Iop23's entire inventory of new articles be considered for deletion. Thanks,--[[User:Smokefoot|Smokefoot]] ([[User talk:Smokefoot|talk]]) 13:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. Admins have limited authority to delete articles, and I'm afraid that I am not empowered to make such decisions unless the articles meet the narrow criteria of [[WP:CSD|"speedy deletion"]]. If you think that the content should be included at [[Methyl bromide]], you do have the option of [[Help:Merge|merging it]]. I myself would have no idea what or how much to save. :) Otherwise, you can [[WP:PROD|nominate for uncontroversial deletion]] or [[WP:AfD|for deletion debate]]. As this is not my area, I am not the best person to make that determination myself. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 13:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Copyright ==

By the way thanks for your handling of the issues. You were so effective and fair that I think you should copyright your style somehow, if not trademark it. Cheers. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 14:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. :) I do my best. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== A little change if you could ==

[[Template talk:Di-no source#Slight wording change]]. I use that tag all the time and I never noticed this until today, so I made the request. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 14:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]])

== Question ==

Hi! I removed a [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Anti-Japanese_sentiment&diff=375089914&oldid=369243191 possible copyvio sentence] added by [[user:Дунгане]], thinking that was a close paraphrasing case. See [http://books.google.com/books?id=IAs9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=ma+hushan&q=anti+japanese+slogans&hl=en#v=snippet&q=anti%20japanese%20slogans&f=false the source] the user added. Was I correct? I'd like to know your opinion. If it's not CV, I will revert my edit and strike the warning on the user's talk page. Thank you. [[User:Oda Mari|Oda Mari]] <small>([[User talk:Oda Mari|talk]])</small> 15:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. Thank you very much for being conscious of these issues. :) I'll go take a look. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that sentence too closely paraphrases its source. While parts are in quotation marks, the parts that are not are also taken from there. By itself, this would be a "de minimis" situation under U.S. law, almost surely, but our policies do require that we either rewrite content completely or quote it (in limited amounts). We don't push that boundary. I don't know if the warning is necessary, however, since the text addition predates his CCI and the ANI conversation about him. I would most certainly take note if you run into material like that after 3 August, but he may know better now than he did in July. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 15:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the reply. I first removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Anti-Japanese_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=384927669 this] which was not CV. But I thought it was undue weight because an individual murder case should not belong to the section unless it was really a notable big case. Then I checked his past addition. It seems to me that he has a general tendency to emphasize the Chinese Muslim and [[Hui people]] on his edits. Not that I think they are not important, but some of his additions look like undue weight. I think he needs to learn some more to edit on WP. [[User:Oda Mari|Oda Mari]] <small>([[User talk:Oda Mari|talk]])</small> 16:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== another question ==

I've posted a question on our page. Thanks.[[User:Malke 2010|Malke 2010]] ([[User talk:Malke 2010|talk]]) 22:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

==Ahem, a question?==
Dear MRG, if you're not too busy, can you perhaps give your opinion about a question I asked at Commons, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Help_desk#Licensing_problems_with_images_from_Italian_wiki here]? You know all this stuff, and I don't, and it seems there isn't a very clear consensus. Thank you so much! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 01:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm afraid that they're right; if the images are not public domain in the United States (and it seems like they aren't), they can't be hosted on Commons. The U.S. has much more narrow laws about copyright, and Commons and en Wiki both have to comply. :/ Unless you can find something free or validate something under NFC, you may be out of luck on that one.

:[[Wikipedia:PD#Country-specific rules]] helps explain a bit why: "being in the public domain in its home country ''does not'' automatically mean that the work was also in the public domain in the U.S. because the U.S. does ''not'' follow the "[[#Rule of the shorter term|rule of shorter term]]". [[:Commons:Public domain#Country-specific laws]] also suggests how complex it can be: "Images uploaded to Commons, unless uploaded from the United States, involve the interaction of two or more copyright jurisdictions. Generally, the policy applied on Commons is to only allow images that can be used in all (or at least most) countries"; "Also apply the copyright laws of the country you are in and the copyright laws of any web server you got the work off. In the case of a French painting uploaded to Commons from a French web server by someone living in the UK three copyright jurisdictions would apply: France, UK and US." Mmm, okay. Complex much? (Understandably complex, but still, what a nightmare!) As far as the U.S. is concerned, a somewhat oversimplified list of considerations is offered at [[WP:PD]] (reproduced with minimal modification here):
:*If the work was published before 1923, it is in the public domain in the U.S.<small>(With a caveat for works published without copyright notice, see [[Wikipedia:Public_domain#Footnotes|footnote 1]].)</small>
:*If the work was published 1923 to 1995 (inclusive) and not copyrighted in its countries of origin in 1996, it is in the public domain in the U.S.
:*Otherwise, if the work was published before 1978, it is copyrighted in the U.S. for 95 years since the original publication (i.e. at least until 1923 + 95 = 2018), and if it was published 1978 or later, the work is copyrighted until 70 years after the (last surviving) author's death.


== Long time no see! ==
:U.S. copyright law is slippery and frustrating enough, at times. The interaction of international copyright laws is lightyears beyond that. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:16, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Girl...I appreciate your time. Now I'm stuck with an [[Pippo Franco|ugly article]]! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi. A former helper of copyright clean-up here who last interacted with you [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive_27#Request_for_redaction a long time ago]! I know you haven't been as active as you used to be, but thought I'd let you know that we have [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sennecaster|a new candidate for adminship]] that's keen to help out in CCI. If ever you'd like to take an interest in Copyright cleanup again, I'm sure she'd be happy to collaborate with you. If not, that's OK, just saying hello to you. [[User:Abminor|A<sup>♭</sup>m]] <sup>([[User talk:Abminor|Ring!]])</sup> <sub>([[Special:Contributions/Abminor|Notes]])</sub> 09:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
== Malke 2010 ==


== Merry Christmas ==
Hi. I have not been a party to anything that has gone before in the current editing block of Malke 2010, but I would like to chime in here as a "character witness", and plead for assistance in lifting/shortening of this block. How can I help in this situation? Malke was a very calming influence in a couple of contentious situations I encountered in the past with other editors. When I was ready to throw in the towell in the face of irrational argument, she drew me back to the table. When I became a little overbeariung, she restrained me. I have only ever known her to deal in good faith, and I believe that whatever this situation is, she IS dealing in good faith. [[User:Eastcote|Eastcote]] ([[User talk:Eastcote|talk]]) 03:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:As a placeholder, I'll note that I'll come take a look at this pretty soon. I'm fresh up this morning and need a little more clarity before wading in to what is obviously an escalation of the last I knew. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 10:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


[[File:J.L. Jensen, Granatæble, grønne og blå druer på stenkarm, 1833, 0219NMK, Nivaagaards Malerisamling.jpg|200px]]
== Apologies ==


'''Merry Christmas from London ...'''
Hi MRG, To my horror, I discovered [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems&diff=prev&oldid=385065181 this edit] when I checked my contributions this morning. I must have hit the stupid rollback button by mistake. Head now suitably hanging in shame. [[File:SMirC-medium.svg|30 px]] Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 07:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:I got a good chuckle out of it. :D But no worries on my account; I have done it myself. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 10:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


'''and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.'''
== Your thoughts please? ==


Best wishes, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 10:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Hey, M, can you leave your thoughts at [[User talk:Malke 2010]] regarding the pending unblock request, and the block in general. Thanks. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 09:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Pending unblock request sounds ominous, since the last I saw she was editing again. :/ A little more coffee, and I'll come over. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 10:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::Aaah. Another person who can't make it through the day without copious amounts of caffeine ;) [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 15:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas from London ...

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