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Hi, this article is a little bit to informative about the story and so on, isn´t it?
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Does this deserve it's own page yet? I think it should be merged into [[Portal (video game)]].--[[User:Magus05|Magus05]] <sup>([[User talk:Magus05|talk]])</sup> 21:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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:It's fine, even though it's small Valve will release some more info around march or april. --[[User:FrostedBitesCereal|FrostedBitesCereal]] ([[User talk:FrostedBitesCereal|talk]]) 22:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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==Plot section==
::Yeah I agree, and I have a few points I would like to make about this:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal_2&curid=15888290&diff=859205121&oldid=859196652 I cut down the plot summary, but was reverted.]


I believe the current summary contains unnecessary details. Here are some examples:
::1. Half Life 2: Episode Three's page has not much more content than what this page contains.


* {{tq|an artificial voice guides her through a cognitive test on the basic game controls before she is put back to sleep}} The brief tutorial on game controls is not part of the plot. It's a gameplay thing.
::2. Half Life 2: Episode Two had even less content when it first started, and not once had a person changing it to a redirect.


* {{tq|Chell then traverses the building in an elevator, serenaded by the laboratories' robotic sentinels in an opera song titled "Cara Mia Addio".}} The robots' song is not an important part of the plot. Nor is its name.
::3. I don't see any problem with having a small article, as long as it has a Stub notification.


* {{tq|On the surface, she enters a wheat field from a corrugated metal shed, with the charred and battered Weighted Companion Cube, supposedly incinerated during the events of ''Portal'', thrown after her.}} The type of field is not important. The type of shed is not important. The type of ''metal'' the shed is made from is not important. The companion cube has nothing to do with the plot of either game - it's just a fun thing. All we need to say about this scene is that GLaDOS releases Chell.
::4. It encourages people to add more content to the article, allowing more information to be shared about the upcoming game.


The summary also contains unnecessary words and clunky sentences. For example:
::I have now also added as much more information to the page as I could find, which may not be much, but it's something, and after all that's what people come to Wikipedia for!


* {{tq|He quickly becomes power-mad and malevolent}} "mad with power", which implies malevolence, suffices.
::[[User:NRG753|NRG753]] ([[User talk:NRG753|talk]]) 09:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree too. New game wikis have to start from somewhere, usually a confirmation by the developers. --[[User:Gamer007|Gamer007]] ([[User talk:Gamer007|talk]]) 10:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


* {{tq|Denying this and infuriated by the accusation,}} It's not important that he denies this. It's also obvious what he is infuriated by. Just "Infuriated" suffices.
:I'm still not sure. For instance, announced movies are not to be given their own page until filming is confirmed to have started. A simple announcement or plans aren't enough. Even being greenlit and cast and being put into post production aren't enough. Following the same scale - I don't think this should be here until we are at least sure they are working on it. They currently have Episode 3, and Left 4 Dead in production - are we sure Portal 2 is even being worked on right now? I think we should wait for more confirmation. --[[User:Magus05|Magus05]] <sup>([[User talk:Magus05|talk]])</sup> 21:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Valve works on all current projects, I'm 99% sure Kim Swift and the other folks on the Portal Team (Well every valve employee can choose what game they work on, but i'm talking about the digipen students.) are working on it, other wise they wouldn't really announce it. Valve never announces a game they haven't worked on (They're constantly working on stuff.) --[[User:FrostedBitesCereal|FrostedBitesCereal]] ([[User talk:FrostedBitesCereal|talk]]) 23:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
::Being 99% sure isn't the same as a verifable source though. See my point? --[[User:Magus05|Magus05]] <sup>([[User talk:Magus05|talk]])</sup> 01:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Well given the news on Ep3 a few weeks back about "plot details not being formalized" it doesnt sound more hopeful than Portal 2 at this point.. who knows they could even do an "Orange Box 2" heheh. But in my opinion what confirmation we've had is easily enough to have an article on the game. I'm sure there will be more information reviled in the next month since they mentioned it at GDC, and for that reason I think this article should be available for people to add to it as I and others will be interested to read it. [[User:NRG753|NRG753]] ([[User talk:NRG753|talk]]) 08:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
No merge! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.46.211.161|77.46.211.161]] ([[User talk:77.46.211.161|talk]]) 21:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I've added a lot more information and put the page up to scratch, it dosen't need to be merged, as well as this work on a sequel begins when the first game is finished.[[User:Seanor3|Seanor3]] ([[User talk:Seanor3|talk]]) 17:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well would you look at that... 2 years ago I suggested merging this article because the game wasn't official yet, despite the swarm of people insisting that it was. I guess it's a good thing it was eventually merged. --[[User:Magus05|Magus05]] <sup>([[User talk:Magus05|talk]])</sup> 19:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


* {{tq|laboratories' abandoned lowest level}} The entire facility is abandoned, not just the lowest level.
== Merged ==


* {{tq|Through the recordings it becomes apparent that...}} Pointless. We can just describe what the tapes tell us.
I merged this into the main Portal article. There wasn't enough here to sustain its own article yet: the first paragraph was a bunch of POV statements explaining what Portal is, the infobox was mostly guesses, and the second paragraph contained the actual verifiable information. This places that in a place where it is more relevant and aids readers interested in the topic. - [[User:Chardish|Chardish]] ([[User talk:Chardish|talk]]) 06:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


* {{tq|In their final confrontation,}} we don't need to say this is the final confrontation, because it's the final confrontation we mention. Readers won't wonder if there was another confrontation later. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 13:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
== GameStop ==
::I agree with all of the points you've made above, but I think you got a little heavy handed with some other changes though. For example, it seems like "slightly changing decor starting from 1950s style" probably better illustrates the change going on here than "old laboratories". I don't know, I haven't played the game, I'm just monitoring the article a bit because of that recent disruptive IP, but that's my two cents. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 13:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::The important bit there is surely that we see bits of level built in different time periods, not that the decor changes. That strikes me a classic example of not writing with a reader unfamiliar with the subject - it's not clear what the decor represents unless you've played the game. In any case, prose like "slightly changing decor starting from 1950s style" sets of my "bad writing" alarms to the point where I just want to rip it out rather than stop to think about what point it's trying to make. And there is a point to be made here, so I've added it. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 13:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Indeed, it's not that the original wording was great, it wasn't, its just that something was lost in translation altogether in your cut down. I appreciate your efforts to simplify prose like this, but I do think you tend to take it a little too far too. It's still a net-positive, and you leave it better than you left it, but I do wish you would try to not be ''quite'' so heavy handed at times... [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 14:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Then let's discuss the stuff you want to add. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::I just meant in more of a general sense, we tend to cross paths a lot on various articles, like Sega related stuff. I don't have any further concerns here, though my knowledge of the game's plot is pretty minimal, so I hope you'll hear out any other concerns I may be unaware of. But again, all the points above, I support. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 14:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I'm always happy to explain my edits and I'm happy to hear arguments from others. Next time you think I've gone too far with a trim, tell me. Maybe you'll bring me round - you were right that we should mention the different time periods of the test labs. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 14:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::The opera song played out at the end is actually something commented on by many sources; without that sourcing, I agree its UNDUE. "hrough the recordings it becomes apparent that..." is necessary per WAF: we are writing from the POV a player watching the events on their computer screen, not from a POV inside the game. We need to explain how some of the backstory elements are developed, and if that's through the prior recordings, that should be noted. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Who cares how many sources mention the opera? It can be mentioned in other parts of the article if it's notable, but it's not a critical plot point.
:::"through the recordings it becomes apparent that" - we just don't need it. I think the current revision indicates that we learn the history through the recordings. It's not a WAF issue. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 13:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::I know I can understand from the grammar only that its learned from records in the changed version, but that's not immediately obvious, which can be a problem to the larger readership. And it is WAF related, as we're supposed to write out-of-universe, so establishing the pre-history comes from in-game recordings is necessary. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::I still don't get the WAF concern - everything in the story comes from the game - but I've rewritten it to be more explicit about the information you get from the recordings. [[User:Popcornduff|Popcornduff]] ([[User talk:Popcornduff|talk]]) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


== Potato image ==
Can this commercial site really be considered a reliable source? Where do they get their information from? [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 00:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:I've already stripped it. I'm assuming GI will be filling in details in a few days (when I get my copy) as the information doesn't appear wrong (eg [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62662] ) --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:On subsequent browsing from news articles, the only source (that all point to) about co-op is Gamestop, and they've since removed mention of it. I've removed it for now until a collaborating source say so. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/03/05/Portal-2-For-Two.aspx - GameInformer confirmed it. --[[Special:Contributions/99.33.21.90|99.33.21.90]] ([[User talk:99.33.21.90|talk]]) 01:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Looks like Gamestop leak has been confirmed by GameInformer, I have already posted a link to GI article. This is another proof that this information is legit. As for where they get their information from - I'm pretty sure Valve has already released basic info about this game, but they have created some kind of information embargo until the official announcement. Obviously these online stores can't be trusted when it comes to release dates, but they wouldn't publish game descriptions if it wouldn't come from the publishers/devs themselves. [[User:Pwlodi|wlodi]] ([[User talk:Pwlodi|talk]]) 01:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Yea, if GI is now confirming, then it's ok. I suspect that GI was supposed to have the first-hand premiere info, thus why Gamestop altered the info after the fact. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::What about the Mac OS platform? [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 01:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::::That we can't confirm yet. (My feeling is that we are seeing Steam for Mac in the next week or so, and then it may be added on, but that's a seperate announcmenet and one not yet confirmed for P2).--[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I have found confirmation of portal 2 releasing on mac. [REDACTED] Look at the information box on the first page. The pages also may give information for the article, but I am waiting for my copy to come in the mail, so I cannot help on that front. [[User:Wojonatior|Wojonatior]] ([[User talk:Wojonatior|talk]]) 21:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::The GI article confirms a mac release. This is not necessary Steam on Mac, but all signs point that direction. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Could you please name the exact source for that piece of information? I don't see anything that looks like a confirmation... [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Fenris.kcf Fenris] (08:35, 08.03.10) (UTC+1) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fenris.kcf|Fenris.kcf]] ([[User talk:Fenris.kcf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fenris.kcf|contribs]]) 07:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::::::Game Informer, April 2010 issue, page 50 (the same as in the article). --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Here's another source explicitly saying Portal will be a simultaneous Mac launch. http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/steam-mac/ [[Special:Contributions/66.36.156.55|66.36.156.55]] ([[User talk:66.36.156.55|talk]]) 19:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


Just starting up a discussion on it since there's been some back and forth on it. Does it's inclusion make sense, even if it's a free image? [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 14:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:Just bring this up, In the steam Beta UI, there are Mac window sizing buttons in a folder called "OSX" Source:Looking on my computer;http://gizmodo.com/5479978/steam-is-most-probably-coming-to-macs [[User:Wojonatior|Wojonatior]] ([[User talk:Wojonatior|talk]]) 01:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
* I'd say no. It serves no encyclopedic purpose and is only there cosmetically, free or not. GLaDOS simply being a potato for a chunk of the game (with no other commentary) does not justify its inclusion. Otherwise, we could litter the article with (free) images that vaguely represent random plot elements. [[User:IceWelder|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">IceWelder</span>]] &#91;[[User talk:IceWelder|<span style="color: #424242;">&#9993;</span>]]&#93; 14:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
* There is no issue with the image. It is the only image being used in that section (Plot), it is demonstrating something that is not common (the idea of a potato battery), and arguably there's no other free image idea that could replace it. I would agree that there would be an issue if we were trying to fit multiple images in that section, but that's not happening. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
* TBH I'm not seeing the relevance either. If multiple sources have mentioned potatoes as a recurring/important theme, ''and'' this is covered in meaningful depth in the article, then it might be justified, but as it seems a bit random. [[User:Popcornfud|Popcornfud]] ([[User talk:Popcornfud|talk]]) 14:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*It doesn't add anything to the article or any usefulness to readers. Anyone can understand the plot without being shown what a potaty battery looks like, and there's no commentary about the significance of the battery either. As IceWelder said, it's there only for decoration. [[User:Neocorelight|Neocorelight]] ([[User talk:Neocorelight|Talk]]) 07:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*:Counter: What's wrong with relevant decoration? This is a free image, so it's not like we're bucking against NFCC guidelines. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 13:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*::{{u|Ferret}}, the wrong has been explained by three comments here. See also [[MOS:IRELEV]], regardless of the image's license. The potato image is not {{tq|an important illustrative aid to understanding}}. [[User:Neocorelight|Neocorelight]] ([[User talk:Neocorelight|Talk]]) 14:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*:::No, it wasn't explained in the above comments. Opinions on relevance were given. My comment was the first time any policy or guideline mentioned, and your reply only the second time a guideline was mentioned. It's important that we state guidelines if we expect other people to understand the argument. MOS is a massive maze, no one has every aspect memorized. I'm satisfied that IRELEV does not really support the image at this time. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 14:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


== Info to look out for ==
== Featured ==


I want to get this article to Featured quality, before I nominate can anyway give me some pointers or quick review? And is anyone willing to help me? [[User:Lankyant|Lankyant]] ([[User talk:Lankyant|talk]]) 22:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
On a msg board, someone compared the paint function to the Digipen game, "Tag". [https://www.digipen.edu/studentprojects/tag/] I have done a high-level search and found at least two of the students are at Valve now (the game only came out last year), and the other two have likely connections with Valve, just can't confirm that.


== Linux functionality ==
Thus, like how Valve brought the Digipen team behind Nabocular Drop, it looks like this Tag team was brought in for Portal 2. That info may become known in the next few months, but we should be looking for this. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


It claims that Linux is supported for this game, but I have Linux Steam, and I checked. The supported platforms are listed as Windows, Mac. Not Linux. [[User:Marioman28|Marioman28]] ([[User talk:Marioman28|talk]]) 15:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
:Good catch, and plausible. Worth looking out for. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 23:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


:Portal 2 in the Steam store currently lists the requirements for Linux at the bottom, with a minimum requirement of Ubuntu 12.04. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 16:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
It's true [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62689] -- Love, [[User:Smurfy|Smurfy]] 22:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

GameInformer said that the game takes place over 100 years after Portal. All the plot says is just "years" nothing more. Should we add the 100 to make it more accurate?--Kingplatypus 01:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kingplatypus|Kingplatypus]] ([[User talk:Kingplatypus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kingplatypus|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:GI says "hundreds of years", the article here says "hundreds of years". We're all good. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, durrr, it's the first sentence. Sorry, please excuse my idiocy.--Kingplatypus 19:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kingplatypus|Kingplatypus]] ([[User talk:Kingplatypus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kingplatypus|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Ya, but MY question is, if it takes place "hundreds of years" after the 1st one then why is Chell still alive?? (no pun intended :p)
*Not sure if this was known then (I only learned about it just now, but I've been out of the loop), but GLaDOS kept Chell in stasis. --[[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]] ([[User talk:V2Blast|talk]]) 17:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
*Who said portals can't bypass time as well? I'm sure it will be explained in the game. [[Special:Contributions/96.54.96.133|96.54.96.133]] ([[User talk:96.54.96.133|talk]]) 22:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Series==
"Half-Life" is the series here, Portal may be an offshoot of the series but it's still part of that same series. Regardless, [[Template:Infobox VG]] specifies we only use that parameter when there's a series article to link to, so it's [[Half-Life (series)]] or nothing. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 03:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
:I think, given what has been said about the lack of connection in P2, that "nothing" is the right choice. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
::[[Portal (video game)|Portal]]'s listed under the Half-Life series, so I think this goes there, too. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]] ([[User talk:V2Blast|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/V2Blast|contribs]]) 17:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Publisher ==

Just as a note [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102955-EA-in-Talks-to-Secure-Portal-2-Publishing-Rights] EA is '''not''' yet confirmed as the publisher for P2. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Sanity check ==

"Chambers were first developed through whiteboard via isometric drawings, with the developers performing a sanity check on the chamber, before being created into simple levels through the Hammer level editor. "

Anyone care to explain what a sanity check is? Otherwise, I think it's vandalism. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Atomforyou|Atomforyou]] ([[User talk:Atomforyou|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Atomforyou|contribs]]) 03:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*I don't think it's vandalism, just vernacular. "Sanity Check" as in "let me make sure I'm not crazy", whereas "crazy" in this context means weird or too off-the-wall. At least, I'm assuming that's what it means... [[User:Shnakepup|Shnakepup]] ([[User talk:Shnakepup|talk]]) 21:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
**Basically yes, making sure that things hold up to common sense and expectations. Like, if they designed a room that effectively had a floating wall in it, that would be a problem. See [[Sanity testing]]. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

== About the cake... ==

Is it still a lie? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.235.87.225|69.235.87.225]] ([[User talk:69.235.87.225|talk]]) 06:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yes, but they wont go into that in Portal 2 :) [[Special:Contributions/2.96.88.46|2.96.88.46]] ([[User talk:2.96.88.46|talk]]) 10:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

But there was cake! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.79.16.144|24.79.16.144]] ([[User talk:24.79.16.144|talk]]) 20:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== February's release ==

It think it should be mentioned that the game was originally slate dfor late 2010 released, then was delayed to 9th February 2010 and the again delayed to the April 2011 release. --[[User:BigOz22|BigOz22]] ([[User talk:BigOz22|talk]]) 16:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Your right, it was delayed. It was just like what happened to [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. - [[User:Mario324|Mario324]] ([[User talk:Mario324|talk]]) 07:50, 18 April 2011

== Awards ==
Should Portal 2's award for most anticipated game of the year at the VGA's be on the article? [[Special:Contributions/2.96.88.46|2.96.88.46]] ([[User talk:2.96.88.46|talk]]) 10:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Okay, as most people know, it was originally set to be released in late 2010, but after that, there seem to be two dates:

February 9th, 2011:
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=portal+2+release+date&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS382&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=portal+2+&pbx=1&fp=6bedc48458f579e8 Google Search], currently has two references
* [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/260632/news/portal-2-release-date-confirmed/]
* [http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/08/portal-2-release-date-confirmed/]
* [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&sqi=2&ved=0CFsQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vgreleases.com%2Fpc%2Freleasedate-114331.aspx&ei=sjtDTYXjD4r0tgOGu7H9Cg&usg=AFQjCNHUhKrHKcIDFwNpdvFo1IHw5S48kw]

April 21st, 2011:
* [http://www.ripten.com/2010/12/22/portal-2-release-date-finally-confirmed-aaronalex/]
* [http://pc.ign.com/articles/114/1141531p1.html]
* [http://www.maclife.com/article/news/portal_2_release_date_announced_midspring_2011_new_trailer] (It's for the week of April 18th, but this includes April 21st)
* [http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/709358/portal-2-release-date-april-21.html]

[[User:3000farad|3000farad]] ([[User talk:3000farad|talk]]) 22:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

:The late 2010 date was pushed back to February 9th first, but around December, they announced another delay pushing it to Apr 18-21. So while your first set of sources aren't wrong, they're outdated. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, thanks. I'll put the second date change in the article. [[User:3000farad|3000farad]] ([[User talk:3000farad|talk]]) 05:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::It's not necessary to put previous dates in the article unless they are significant. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 06:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why the release date for NA is listed as April 18th, 2011 when all game stores release games almost religiously on Tuesdays which is the 19th, not to mention all places in which the game can be purchased excluding Steam are listing the game as having an 4/19/11 release date. Also how is no source better than the retailers selling the game. [[User:Gothamghost|Gothamghost]] ([[User talk:Gothamghost|talk]]) 16:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
:Retailers typically put in default or arbitrary dates simply to satisfy their sales systems - eg if a title is known to be out by the end of 2011, they'll put the release as Dec 31 2011. They also may be guessing at straws. As for the 18th, that may be the day it will be available on Steam, but clearly its the first possible day it will be available. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
::Is it important enough to mention that pre-loading of the game just started a few hours ago? --[[User:Che010|Che010]] ([[User talk:Che010|talk]]) 21:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I was wondering when they would get around to that... [[User:Barts1a|Barts1a]] | [[User_Talk:Barts1a|Talk to me]] | [[User:Barts1a/complaints and constructive criticism|Yell at me]] 22:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Preloading isn't important -- unless it somehow ties to the arg (90% sure it will). Let's wait and see. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Valve Task Force Re-vitalization ==
[[File:Orange-box.png|25px|alt=|link=]] '''Attention, all contributors to the Valve Task Force and the articles it constitutes!'''<br />
I am here to announce that I will be re-vitalizing the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Valve|Valve Task Force]], aimed at universally improving articles constituting [[Valve Corporation]], their employees, associates and products. This specific task force has been dormant for quite some time and with two very notable releases coming out this year, I feel like this is the appropriate time to re-stimulate the general aim of this group. For those who are not already members of the Valve Task Force, feel free to add your name to our [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Valve#Participants|members list]] and contribute to whatever articles you feel your contributions may prove beneficial for. Valve, its products and notable employees have proven to be essential to the progression of the video game industry, so I'd like to make a call of arms for this cause. [[User:DarthBotto|D<small>arth</small>B<small>otto</small>]]<sub>&nbsp;[[User talk:DarthBotto|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/DarthBotto|cont]]</sub> 22:04, 08 February 2011 (UTC)

== Heel springs ==

I reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal_2&action=historysubmit&diff=419057456&oldid=419057377 this edit] earlier. The user is claiming non specific image as the source of the information, not the image the caption is attached to, which is rather confusing. Without a source specifically covering the heel springs this is [[WP:OR]], using an image alone would not cut it, as it requires novel synthesis to make the connection. '''Rehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 23:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
:Totally agree. We can mention them as heel-springs like the first game (as it is pretty much obvious if you put 1 + 2 togehter) but you can't make any other inference from that. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

==Too many leaks==
Some people are making a lot of beta stuff, PAX 2010 co-op gameplays and leaks. I want to know where they got that idea?!?! - [[User:Mario324|Mario324]] ([[User talk:Mario324|talk]]) 13:39 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:[[WP:NOTFORUM]]. This talk page is not for discussing the game itself. It is for discussing improvements to the article. <b>[[User:Stickee|Stickee]] <small>[[User_talk:Stickee|(talk)]]</small></b> 22:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::I think "I want to know where they got that idea?!?!" is asking for a valid source that the infomation is acually about the final game, and not the beta version for example.[[User:Jonnyjones|Jonnyjones]] ([[User talk:Jonnyjones|talk]]) 21:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:Sorry about when I said "I want to know where they got that idea?!?!" by accident. I was talking about the leaks. Anyways, Portal 2 just came out. OMG! oFTo! Portal 2 FTW! So, All you Valve fans get ready to taste that juicy cake to finish the game! - [[User:Mario324|Mario324]] ([[User talk:Mario324|talk]]) 07:54 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== "speedy thing comes in, speedy thing goes out." ==

[[User:194.17.116.224]] seems very intent on getting the quote "speedy thing comes in, speedy thing goes out" into this article. First of all, I highly recommend getting a username if you intend to regularly contribute constructively to Wikipedia. It is not clear to me (and at least one other person, who reverted the original add ("in layman's terms...")) why this quote adds encyclopaedic value to the article on Portal 2. So let's discuss it here and not have an [[WP:EW|edit war]]. -- [[User:Nczempin|Nczempin]] ([[User talk:Nczempin|talk]]) 09:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
:That's even a misquote, it should be 'goes in' and 'comes out'. --[[Special:Contributions/128.84.65.135|128.84.65.135]] ([[User talk:128.84.65.135|talk]]) 05:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit request from Namikaza, 19 April 2011 ==

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Portal 2 has been released and it was released at 4:32PM GMT+12
Tuesday 19 April 2011 it was released earlier because of the potato sack event which was started by valve to launch the game eariler

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[[User:Namikaza|Namikaza]] ([[User talk:Namikaza|talk]]) 04:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

: I have an article. However it is first-party. Looking further. http://store.steampowered.com/news/5326/ --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 04:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
: Okay, even though it got released at 10:29 PM MDT, there's no written proof. Sorry I can't help. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 05:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
: By tomorrow there will be sources. Be patient, I will get around it . --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
*First party sources are fine! Go for it!--[[User: Yaksar|Yaksar]] [[User talk: Yaksar|(let's chat)]] 05:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

==Mandatory reception section discussion==
So yeah, I'm honestly not sure if Metacritic user scores can be counted as an item of particular note anymore. Basically the /v/ board on the 4chan website have recently been launching heavy smear campaigns against games on Metacritic (same thing happened to [[Dragon Age 2]]). Oh, speaking of DA2, they've also edit-bombed the wikipedia article several times which is why it's currently under protection, just check its history. Now, whether it be for reasons of trolling or genuine discontent, the opinions of these users obviously can't be claimed to represent the userbase as a whole as they tilt the discussions and scores in a negative direction through sheer force of numbers.
Meh, I don't know. On one hand, gamer journalists have obviously picked up on it (though they seem blissfully unaware that most of the negativity originates from one particular imageboard), but on the other hand, including the metacritic user reaction in the wikipedia article, when said reaction has been heavily tilted by said imageboard, seems like caving in to people who do what they can to troll/ruin wikipedia articles to/and present their heavily biased opinions as fact. --[[Special:Contributions/77.215.75.103|77.215.75.103]] ([[User talk:77.215.75.103|talk]]) 00:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:08, 2 April 2024

Good articlePortal 2 has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 20, 2011Good article nomineeListed
May 30, 2011Featured article candidateNot promoted
Current status: Good article

Plot section

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I cut down the plot summary, but was reverted.

I believe the current summary contains unnecessary details. Here are some examples:

  • an artificial voice guides her through a cognitive test on the basic game controls before she is put back to sleep The brief tutorial on game controls is not part of the plot. It's a gameplay thing.
  • Chell then traverses the building in an elevator, serenaded by the laboratories' robotic sentinels in an opera song titled "Cara Mia Addio". The robots' song is not an important part of the plot. Nor is its name.
  • On the surface, she enters a wheat field from a corrugated metal shed, with the charred and battered Weighted Companion Cube, supposedly incinerated during the events of Portal, thrown after her. The type of field is not important. The type of shed is not important. The type of metal the shed is made from is not important. The companion cube has nothing to do with the plot of either game - it's just a fun thing. All we need to say about this scene is that GLaDOS releases Chell.

The summary also contains unnecessary words and clunky sentences. For example:

  • He quickly becomes power-mad and malevolent "mad with power", which implies malevolence, suffices.
  • Denying this and infuriated by the accusation, It's not important that he denies this. It's also obvious what he is infuriated by. Just "Infuriated" suffices.
  • laboratories' abandoned lowest level The entire facility is abandoned, not just the lowest level.
  • Through the recordings it becomes apparent that... Pointless. We can just describe what the tapes tell us.
  • In their final confrontation, we don't need to say this is the final confrontation, because it's the final confrontation we mention. Readers won't wonder if there was another confrontation later. Popcornduff (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with all of the points you've made above, but I think you got a little heavy handed with some other changes though. For example, it seems like "slightly changing decor starting from 1950s style" probably better illustrates the change going on here than "old laboratories". I don't know, I haven't played the game, I'm just monitoring the article a bit because of that recent disruptive IP, but that's my two cents. Sergecross73 msg me 13:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The important bit there is surely that we see bits of level built in different time periods, not that the decor changes. That strikes me a classic example of not writing with a reader unfamiliar with the subject - it's not clear what the decor represents unless you've played the game. In any case, prose like "slightly changing decor starting from 1950s style" sets of my "bad writing" alarms to the point where I just want to rip it out rather than stop to think about what point it's trying to make. And there is a point to be made here, so I've added it. Popcornduff (talk) 13:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's not that the original wording was great, it wasn't, its just that something was lost in translation altogether in your cut down. I appreciate your efforts to simplify prose like this, but I do think you tend to take it a little too far too. It's still a net-positive, and you leave it better than you left it, but I do wish you would try to not be quite so heavy handed at times... Sergecross73 msg me 14:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then let's discuss the stuff you want to add. Popcornduff (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just meant in more of a general sense, we tend to cross paths a lot on various articles, like Sega related stuff. I don't have any further concerns here, though my knowledge of the game's plot is pretty minimal, so I hope you'll hear out any other concerns I may be unaware of. But again, all the points above, I support. Sergecross73 msg me 14:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm always happy to explain my edits and I'm happy to hear arguments from others. Next time you think I've gone too far with a trim, tell me. Maybe you'll bring me round - you were right that we should mention the different time periods of the test labs. Popcornduff (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The opera song played out at the end is actually something commented on by many sources; without that sourcing, I agree its UNDUE. "hrough the recordings it becomes apparent that..." is necessary per WAF: we are writing from the POV a player watching the events on their computer screen, not from a POV inside the game. We need to explain how some of the backstory elements are developed, and if that's through the prior recordings, that should be noted. --Masem (t) 13:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Who cares how many sources mention the opera? It can be mentioned in other parts of the article if it's notable, but it's not a critical plot point.
"through the recordings it becomes apparent that" - we just don't need it. I think the current revision indicates that we learn the history through the recordings. It's not a WAF issue. Popcornduff (talk) 13:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I know I can understand from the grammar only that its learned from records in the changed version, but that's not immediately obvious, which can be a problem to the larger readership. And it is WAF related, as we're supposed to write out-of-universe, so establishing the pre-history comes from in-game recordings is necessary. --Masem (t) 13:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't get the WAF concern - everything in the story comes from the game - but I've rewritten it to be more explicit about the information you get from the recordings. Popcornduff (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Potato image

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Just starting up a discussion on it since there's been some back and forth on it. Does it's inclusion make sense, even if it's a free image? Sergecross73 msg me 14:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd say no. It serves no encyclopedic purpose and is only there cosmetically, free or not. GLaDOS simply being a potato for a chunk of the game (with no other commentary) does not justify its inclusion. Otherwise, we could litter the article with (free) images that vaguely represent random plot elements. IceWelder [✉] 14:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no issue with the image. It is the only image being used in that section (Plot), it is demonstrating something that is not common (the idea of a potato battery), and arguably there's no other free image idea that could replace it. I would agree that there would be an issue if we were trying to fit multiple images in that section, but that's not happening. --Masem (t) 14:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • TBH I'm not seeing the relevance either. If multiple sources have mentioned potatoes as a recurring/important theme, and this is covered in meaningful depth in the article, then it might be justified, but as it seems a bit random. Popcornfud (talk) 14:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It doesn't add anything to the article or any usefulness to readers. Anyone can understand the plot without being shown what a potaty battery looks like, and there's no commentary about the significance of the battery either. As IceWelder said, it's there only for decoration. Neocorelight (Talk) 07:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Counter: What's wrong with relevant decoration? This is a free image, so it's not like we're bucking against NFCC guidelines. -- ferret (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ferret, the wrong has been explained by three comments here. See also MOS:IRELEV, regardless of the image's license. The potato image is not an important illustrative aid to understanding. Neocorelight (Talk) 14:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it wasn't explained in the above comments. Opinions on relevance were given. My comment was the first time any policy or guideline mentioned, and your reply only the second time a guideline was mentioned. It's important that we state guidelines if we expect other people to understand the argument. MOS is a massive maze, no one has every aspect memorized. I'm satisfied that IRELEV does not really support the image at this time. -- ferret (talk) 14:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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I want to get this article to Featured quality, before I nominate can anyway give me some pointers or quick review? And is anyone willing to help me? Lankyant (talk) 22:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linux functionality

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It claims that Linux is supported for this game, but I have Linux Steam, and I checked. The supported platforms are listed as Windows, Mac. Not Linux. Marioman28 (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal 2 in the Steam store currently lists the requirements for Linux at the bottom, with a minimum requirement of Ubuntu 12.04. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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