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+== Invitation to RedWarn ==
-== Verifiability, [[WP:UNDUE]], and CMU ==
+Hello, Leuko! I noticed you have been using Twinkle and was wondering if you'd like to beta test my new tool, RedWarn, specifically designed to improve your editing experience.
+* '''Easy to use''' - Unlike other tools, RedWarn uses easy to interpret icons and simple summaries for common actions, reducing both learning and reading times.
-Please be careful to maintain balance in your edits and to ensure that any controversial statements you make are fully [[WP:V|verifiable]] by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. A neutral observer likely would see [[WP:UNDUE|undue emphasis on negative information]] in the CMU article, as you edited it. The term "diploma mill" gets extreme reactions from the entities thus labeled, so Wikipedia needs to be very sure that when we say an entity has been labeled this way, we have a very solid basis for that allegation. Also, although the murder of a student (apparently off-campus) is a serious event, it's not generally the sort of thing that belongs in a short encyclopedia article about a university-level -- unless there is some documented indication that it has large and long-term significance with respect to the school. Regarding verifiability, please note that lack of evidence for something does not prove is non-existence. Specifically, absence of documentation that CMU has government approval or accreditation is not verification that it lacks approval or accreditation. Additionally, please be sure that the sources you cite are [[WP:RS|reliable]]. Web pages like [http://www.employeescreen.com/university/wp-content/uploads/Known-Diploma-Mills-_12.28.10_.pdf this one], which is created to promote a commercial business and appears to be derived from Wikipedia content, are not reliable sources for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 14:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Supports rollback and rollback-like functionality''' - Unlike Twinkle, RedWarn supports both rollback and rollback-like functionality for users will rollback permissions. This decreases waiting times during rollbacks.
-::Yes, but all of the information on this "school" comes to the same conclusion - that it is an unaccredited diploma mill which is not acceptable for licensure in numerous states.  The only dissenting opinion comes from the school's administration - hardly neutral or verifiable.  Per [[WP:UNDUE]], the majority viewpoint was presented.  We had the same discussion regarding [[St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine]], and came to the conclusion that just because there isn't any positive [[WP:RS]] coverage, doesn't mean that negative coverage has to be suppressed to meet [[WP:NPOV]].  As far as the murder, this institution is hardly a university.  The school cites an average class size of 16l so there are maybe 40-50 students on the island at the school.  In addition, the cited article notes that the murder occurred in a dorm room, so given the proximity to such a small campus community, it seemed significant.  As far as [[WP:RS]], that list looks like it was derived from Oregon's list, which is reliable.  Finally, as far as accreditation - there are only a handful of accrediting agencies - such as CAAM-HP, and if they are not listed as accredited (as other schools are), that is evidence that the school is not accredited.  [[User:Leuko|<span style="color:White;background:Maroon"><b>Leuko</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Leuko|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Leuko|Contribs]]</sub> 04:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
-:::I've worked on many articles about unaccredited and/or allegedly fraudulent educational institutions, and I have plenty of scars to show for the experience. The deal is that Wikipedia cannot publish potentially controversial or defamatory information without verification through reliable sources. We can't say that a school is unaccredited or unapproved unless a reliable source has affirmatively stated that it lacks accreditation or approval -- saying that it's not on the lists of accredited/approved institutions does not provide verifiable evidence that it isn't accredited. We can't say it's been called a "diploma mill" or a "scam" or a "substandard institution," or given some other negative label unless we can say who called it that and cite a reliable source. If the Oregon ODA list identified it as "unaccredited" or "diploma mill," Wikipedia can say that and cite the ODA, but Wikipedia can't cite somebody's website that probably was scraped off Wikipedia and might have been based on Oregon ODA at one time. And to avoid issues of [[WP:UNDUE]], potentially peripheral negative events (such as the murder of a student, allegedly by another student) should not be the main focus of an article -- particularly when the event is fresh news and the facts may still be in question. If a reliable source documents that someone has made allegations against the school in connection with this murder (for example, that the school's negligence was a contributor), then it would start to belong in the article. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 12:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Making life easier on the battlefield''' - Ever been in the middle of a vandalism war or campaign, frantically reloading the history page to see a new edit? No more! Enabling RedWarn's "Alert on Change" feature will automatically send you to the latest edit when a new edit occurs - and if you're working on something else, RedWarn will send you a notification while the tab is still open in the background. No time wasted.
-== Avalon University School of Medicine ==
+*'''Rollback previews''' - If you're ever worried about the changes a rollback will make, especially in the case of reverting good faith edits, you can click the rollback preview button to preview the difference a rollback will make, with the version that will be restored on the right, and the latest revision on the left.
+*'''Always the latest revision''' - RedWarn will automatically redirect you to the latest revision if the rollback is no longer for the latest revision - no more frustrating errors.
-Hi Leuko,
+*'''Fast''' - RedWarn can automatically select a warning level, and, on vandalism and content removal rollbacks, automatically select a warning template.
-I hope you are doing great. I have a small question about Avalon University page on wikipedia. Can you please explain me that why you modified the information as this school is unaccredited? As far as I know this school has all the required accreditation. Need you guidance and help to keep this page error less and authentic.
+*'''Built on your feedback''' - RedWarn is receiving frequent feature additions and changes based on your feedback. If there's something you don't like, or would like to see, just say!
-Regards,
-[[User:Asfateh|Asfateh]] ([[User talk:Asfateh|talk]]) 01:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
+*'''and many more features''' ...but I don't want to fill your userpage.
-:The school is ''recognized'' by the local government (as evidenced by the IMED listing), but it is not ''accredited.''  Accreditation is done by an outside review organization, such as CAAM-HP or ACCM - this school is accredited by no one, hence "unaccredited." [[User:Leuko|<span style="color:White;background:Maroon"><b>Leuko</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Leuko|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Leuko|Contribs]]</sub> 02:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
+RedWarn is currently in use by [[WP:MOSTIMPORTED|over 35]] other Wikipedians, and feedback so far has been extremely positive. If you're interested, please see see the [[WP:REDWARN|RedWarn tool page]] for more information on RedWarn's features which I haven't listed here. Otherwise, feel free to remove this message from your page. If you have any further questions, please ping me or leave a message on my talk page. Your feedback is much appreciated! [[User:Ed6767|<span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767</span>]] [[User talk:Ed6767|<span style="color:black;"><strong>talk!</strong></span>]] 23:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
-== Re: Windsor University School of Medicine edits ==
-A few of your edits were inaccurate so I reverted them. Windsor is a WHO and IMED listed school (the statement about no accreditation is inaccurate.) The student loan scandal section was removed due to lack of relevance.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SGMD1|SGMD1]] ([[User talk:SGMD1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SGMD1|contribs]]) 02:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:As above, recognition by the local government and accreditation by an appropriate medical school accreditation agency are two different things.  And I beg to differ, the student loan scandal is very relevant. [[User:Leuko|<span style="color:White;background:Maroon"><b>Leuko</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Leuko|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Leuko|Contribs]]</sub> 02:24, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
-::Your editing of the Windsor University page is inaccurate. Please cease from editing the Windsor University page with inaccurate information.
-:::Everything is cited. Please cease with empty threats. [[User:Leuko|<span style="color:White;background:Maroon"><b>Leuko</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Leuko|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Leuko|Contribs]]</sub> 02:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::The citation for the student loan scandal section is not relevant to the information contained in the section. In addition, it is the only subsection you have created for this page; you have deleted other relevant sections related to curriculum, tuition, and student life. The cited article for the student loan scandal section contains hearsay from a former student and lack of proof for the claims. Once again, your revisions are biased and inaccurate. Please refrain from editing the page in the future.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SGMD1|SGMD1]] ([[User talk:SGMD1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SGMD1|contribs]]) 02:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:::::It is cited from a [[WP:RS]], the standard on WP. Please review WP policies. The other sections are non-encyclopedic - they are only advertising material. Please refrain from editing an article where you have an obvious [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. Thanks. [[User:Leuko|<span style="color:White;background:Maroon"><b>Leuko</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Leuko|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Leuko|Contribs]]</sub> 02:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::The Curriculum, Tuition, and Student Life sections are not advertising material; these sections are found on WP articles for a plethora of educational institutions. Furthermore, Windsor University School of Medicine is accredited by the Government of Saint Kitts and Nevis, and your removal of this content and claim that the school is unaccredited is vandalism. Please refrain from editing an article for which you don't have adequate knowledge. Thanks. [[User:SGMD1|SGMD1]] ([[User talk:SGMD1|talk]]) 03:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)