Talk:Phil Coulson

Reference for use

Just came across this and thought it might be useful.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Alt, Eric (2011-09-02). "Clark Gregg: Marvel Movies' Man of Mystery". WNBC. Retrieved 2011-09-02.

Thanks. I used the source to expand several areas of the article, but it may need a little copyediting. --Boycool (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Agent Coulson is a Skrull?

I've seen rumor rumblings that Coulson will be revealed to be a Skrull in the Avengers film. Supposedly, when he voices "the Principal" in the Spider-Man film, he'll be his Skrull self literally posing as the Principal. Now, I gotta ask... has anyone seen any actual evidence of this? I'm curious. -- 4.88.8.86 (talk) 04:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Just rumors so far. --Boycool (talk) 13:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

616 update.

It might be worth noting that he will appear in a 616 Marvel comic. ;) http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38336 Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Iron Man 3

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Avengers Spoiler Alert----------

I was about to delete his listing for Iron Man 3, but there was a request within the code not to do so. The evidence supporting his potential appearance in the film is from an interview with the actor. In the interview he says his character is not going to get killed in The Avengers and may even be in Iron Man 3. He says this in response to a rumor that his character WAS going to die in the Avengers. As his character IS killed does that not negate the whole gist of the conversation? He was clearly trying not to reveal the fate of his character which means any statements regarding future appearances cannot be counted on as accurate. As such, the entire notion of him appearing in Iron Man 3 should be removed from the article. 68.153.29.9 (talk) 22:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The source says that he's talked to them about being in Iron Man 3. Just because his character is killed doesn't mean that the actor couldn't be in the movie. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

And, just because he was killed doesn't mean he's not coming back. There are some very, very unsubstantiated rumours that he might be returning as Vision. 50.68.44.163 (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There are a few facts that could sway it toward saying he is not dead. First off, Hill noted the cards came from his locker, not his suit. So how did his blood get on them? Secondly, he was seen getting stabbed and slumping to the floor but we did not see paramedics call time of death; Fury says they did to give the team a kickstart. I know that I am reiterating what is already there but it makes me think....LMD?

The argument as to whether Coulson is / is not dead will continue until there is actual confirmation of his death / survival. While interviews with Gregg, and Whedon's history of apparently killing off beloved characters (only to later reveal they, in fact, survived), and the circumstances surrounding his apparent death (no on-screen confirmation, no direct statement that he is dead, only Fury relaying, via Comm, "they called it" (which, given Fury's pechant for lying in order to motivate, could be fabricated), it seems that Coulson may have survived the events of the film. However, without solid evidence either way, it should stay speculation. I'm sure confirmation of his appearance (or lack thereof) in Iron Man 3, Thor 2, etc. will come to light in coming months. Why not leave the listing for now, until true confirmation is given either way? I think that would be the best way to approach this. --74.113.64.100 (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I kind of lean the same way. Normally, I'd argue that the movie had enough of a death scene that we should list him as dead until the franchise depicts him otherwise. Certainly, no one within the movie considers the possibility that he lived. At best, we describe it as it happened in the movie, leaving it exactly as ambiguous as the movie made it but without explicitly hinting that he'd survived. That's "normally".

On the other hand, we have reliable sources (Gregg himself) talking about appearances in other movies. These could well be flashbacks, and the cast had every reason to avoid spoilers, so there's still no reason to believe that Coulson isn't dead. But this is a comic adaptation. The rule in comics is that No One Stays Dead. Any character death scene, no matter how explicit, has to be taken with a grain of salt. As a conceit of the genre, I think the wording as is, is fine. 131.96.13.213 (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

All of the reliable sources are from before The Avengers was released, so they will obviously say he will continue to appear in future films because otherwise it would make people start to wonder if something happens to him in The Avengers. I'm not saying he won't return in a future film (for all of the reasons already listed on how he could come back), but we should also remember to listen to those sources with a grain of salt because there is some intentional misinformation within them to not give away his death.

With that said, I would say that we leave it how it is now. It clearly describes what happened in The Avengers and it clearly states that possible appearances in Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 were talked about before The Avengers was released. It is accurate, simple, and does not include speculation. No changes should be made without a new reliable source. Spidey104 19:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Death

Fury never said that they called a time of death, he says coulson is down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.35.193.130 (talk) 21:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

--88.111.114.152 (talk) 16:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

NAME?

I don't remember his name? --88.111.114.152 (talk) 16:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Protection request

Protection request so it doesn't get vandalisied! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.119.126 (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC) --88.111.119.126 (talk) 17:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

SHIELD series

The SHIELD series is as much a part of the universe as the short films, and belongs under "appearances", no? Whereas the animated adaptations of the character are entirely separate entities, as are the minor tie-in material. -Fandraltastic (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

They all are appearances in the real world sense, so I shifted the format to reflect as much. I really don't care one way or the other so feel to revert it back.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Photo change to one from 'Agents of Shield'?

I was just thinking, would it be a good idea to change the profile image from his appearance in Thor to one of him from Agents of SHIELD? After all, he's the main lead in SHIELD and a secondary character in Thor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.128.163 (talk) 18:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

In-universe perspective?

I don't understand what User:TriiipleThreat means here. I simply feel that it makes more sense to list Agents of Shield with the rest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because it is the same version of the character. I have not changed any of the information in the article, just the formating. WP:UNIVERSE basically states not to write ficiton as fact, which is completely unrelated to the edits here. JDDJS (talk) 03:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The current format is presented from an in-universe perspective. I proposed changing it to an out-of-universe or real world perspective. You can still mention the series as being a part of the MCU in prose. It also clearly presented the form of media of each portrayal, and eliminated the need for fourth tiered sections. Take it or leave it, its just a formatting change not something I wish to dwell on.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you mean. Agents of SHIELD is the same version of the character as in the movies, which is the original version. It simply makes sense to list those together. By separating them, it can confuse readers. Majority of articles about fictional characters that have appear in different medias, start out with the history of the original character and then list the other versions of the character. It would be confusing to talk about one version of the character, then talk about a different version and then go back to the first version again. I read WP:UNIVERSE again, and I still do not see how this is in anyway a violation of it. JDDJS (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

'Presented in his likeness?'

The opening line of this entry says 'Phillip "Phil" Coulson is a fictional character portrayed by American actor Clark Gregg and presented in his likeness.' What does the phrase 'presented in his likeness' mean? And wouldn't it be better to mention the Marvel connection in the first line? For example, 'Phillip "Phil" Coulson is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe portrayed by American actor Clark Gregg." Sadiemonster (talk) 10:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"presented in his likeness" is in reference to the cartoon and comic appearances that the character has made, which are all based on Gregg's appearance (to varying degrees of accuracy). As for mentioning the Marvel connection, he isn't really a Marvel Comics character first and foremost, having been first introduced in the Marvel Cinematic Universe first, which is noted in the infobox where appropriate. The lead does already note that he has appeared in the MCU and MU, just not in the first line, and I don't really see any reason for this to change myself. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Comic book section

We need a complete rewrite of the comic book section. Phil has had many, many adventures in the Marvel Comic Universe, including being featured in a SHIELD comic book, based in the Marvel Comic Universe but in the style of the tv show. Lots42 (talk) 16:27, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Captain Marvel link

Please stop edit warring over this already you two, I feel like it has been going on for days.★Trekker (talk) 05:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Image deletion nomination(s)

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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Time traveler?

This character is categorized in Category:Time travelers, but for that it has to be a frequent time traveler (like Kang the Conqueror or Marty McFly). So far, I only remember the season 5 arc, and the season 7 one (which was actually a LMD of Coulson, not the real thing). Either way, it's either two or just one. Am I missing others, or should we remove the category? Cambalachero (talk) 23:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Agent Coulson naming and character inspiration

I came across an interview (Team House Podcast Episode 87 - ) with Danny Coulson () that mentions in the first 90 seconds Hawk Ostby called Danny Coulson to inform him his book was used as dialogue inspiration and the character of Agent Coulson was named after him. If someone can kindly help with suggesting the best way to incorporate this into both pages, that would be greatly appreciated!2001:569:7763:6F00:D53B:991A:512C:7CD (talk) 22:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)SG June 21, 2021

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