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== lots of stuff but explains nothing ==
==Let revitalize this article!==

What needs work now? I think the introduction is a good start. [[User:Dominick|Dominick]] [[User_talk:dominick|<sup>(TALK)</sup>]] 13:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
There's a heck of a lot of material here, but the article never really explains what an "order" is. Kinda basic info glaringly missing. Saying they are "a category of Catholic religious institutes" is absolutely useles unless you already know what an order is. That they're distinguished by vows is similarly un-useful. [[User Talk:DissidentAggressor|The Dissident Aggressor]] 03:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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== still needs improvement ==


while many of the previously mentioned issues have been resolved or improved, there is still a lot of work to do on this article! aspects such as the impact, history, and practices of religious orders should be expanded on [[User:Sawyer-mcdonell|Sawyer-mcdonell]] ([[User talk:Sawyer-mcdonell|talk]]) 18:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
==Changes made to the introduction==
I would like to discuss the changes made to the introduction. I know it needed work (since I did much of it), but it included what distinguishes orders from other types of consecrated life.
# First, the references to the code of Canon Law were taken out.
# Then, several errors were introduced:
:a)''"Catholic religious orders are one of the two types of consecrated life in the Roman Catholic Church."'' There are not only two form of consecrated life but many. There are institutes of consecrated life (religious institutes and secular institutes) and there are consecrated individuals (consecrated virgins, consecrated widows, consecrated hermits). There are also the societies of apostolic life, closely related to the institutes of consecrated life, but with some differences.


== Trappists founded in 1664 ==
:b)''"Religious orders, also know as Religious Institutes, are..."'' Religious order are technically not religious institutes, since the religious institutes include religious orders and religious congregations, that though today are the same for practical matters, they were not in the past, and they are still listed separately in the annuario pontifical and have its own Wiki article.


Mistake in the 2d chart. Trappists were established in 1664. (chart says 1098 which is for Cistercian) [[User:Zygcyb|Zygcyb]] ([[User talk:Zygcyb|talk]]) 22:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
:c)''"... who live a common life following a religious rule or constitution under the leadership of a religious superior... they bind themselves to this form of living by taking public vows in accordance with the norms of church law."'' a) Common life distinguishes the orders from consecrated individuals; b) all orders (like all congregations) follow a rule or constitution under the leadership of a religious superior; c) public vows distinguishes orders from institutes whose members profess private vows. Why were this essential characteristics of religious orders taken out?


I'll go ahead and undo the changes, while waiting for the fruit of this discussion. Thanks.--[[User:Coquidragon|Coquidragon]] ([[User talk:Coquidragon|talk]]) 02:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
:The problem is that the ''Annuario pontificio'' (which is cited as the source) says fro the Trappists "Fond 1098; riform. 1664" (founded 1098, reformed 1664). [[User:Mcferran|Noel S McFerran]] ([[User talk:Mcferran|talk]]) 23:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
::Trappists are Cistercians, reformed. So you are both right. [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 23:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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lots of stuff but explains nothing

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There's a heck of a lot of material here, but the article never really explains what an "order" is. Kinda basic info glaringly missing. Saying they are "a category of Catholic religious institutes" is absolutely useles unless you already know what an order is. That they're distinguished by vows is similarly un-useful. The Dissident Aggressor 03:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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still needs improvement

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while many of the previously mentioned issues have been resolved or improved, there is still a lot of work to do on this article! aspects such as the impact, history, and practices of religious orders should be expanded on Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 18:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trappists founded in 1664

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Mistake in the 2d chart. Trappists were established in 1664. (chart says 1098 which is for Cistercian) Zygcyb (talk) 22:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the Annuario pontificio (which is cited as the source) says fro the Trappists "Fond 1098; riform. 1664" (founded 1098, reformed 1664). Noel S McFerran (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Trappists are Cistercians, reformed. So you are both right. Elizium23 (talk) 23:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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