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I've noticed that the thumbnail image for the article has been the same for a very long time. Furthermore, upon studying it closely, I have noticed that it is rather blurry and doesn't offer a perfect view of Swift's face. Do you think we should change the image, perhaps to one of Swift on the Eras Tour? I already found a few images that will perhaps be suitable, though if anyone else has images to share I would love to see them.

File:Taylor Swift Eras Tour - Arlington, TX - Folklore act 3 (cropped 2).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Eras Tour - Arlington, TX - Lover Act 1 (cropped 2).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Midnights Era Set (53109799784) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53109939870).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Midnights Era Set (53110073118).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Evermore Era Set (53109927033).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour The Folklore Set Era (53109759691).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Midnights Era Set (53109777579) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53109542801) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Midnights Era Set (53109815714).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Lover Set (53108816892).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53109523856).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53110063908).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53109559911) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53110043448) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

File:Taylor Swift The Eras Tour 1989 Era Set (53109523971) (cropped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Thanks, CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thanks for discussing this on the article's talk page. Unfortunately I'm not an expert on Taylor Swift and never edited the main article before, but I'm able to help you out just a little bit.

The info-box image has been the same for a year (since September 2023) having a look at the article's revision history. The caption underneath the info-box image literally says that it was taken in 2023.

I actually agree with you and get what you mean that the image is rather blurry. The reason why it's blurry is because it's likely a screenshot from a YouTube video and is a duplicate from another file on Wikimedia Commons. But the original file was this one here, which isn't blurry and could potentially be restored.

The research for images that you found on Wikimedia Commons are great images and definitely suitable for the info-box. But I would leave it for other contributors or experienced contributors to hear their opinion on whether the info-box image should change or not.

Thanks. PEPSI697 (💬 • 📝) 10:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend this one with her performing on stage. 14.0.152.167 (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you CallieCrewmanAuthor for sharing your thoughts. If your concern is about the age of the image, it is generally not an issue as long as the image is of good quality and clearly depicts the subject. The list of images you provided does not address your concern, “a perfect view of Swift's face.”

Your study and hardwork is much appreciated. ツredmynameツ💬 14:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could always change it to a fair-use image of her from 2024? Maybe from Getty Images. I'm guessing it probably won't pass for fair use as there are many free photos of Swift on Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia which were taken recently or in the past few years. Jorge906 (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FREER says alive people use free images. Anthony2106 (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh ok Jorge906 (talk) 07:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

most of these have her faced obscured by a microphone- which is a no-no. however, i do agree that the image might need an update; the eras tour is one of swift’s career-defining moments and would be good to spotlight Ct180410 (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative as a genre

Should alternative music be listed as one of her genres even though it is a redirect to a disambiguation page and not to an actual genre. It seems to be redundant to both folk and rock and doesn’t really add anything. Theparties (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia not having an article for "Alternative music" doesn't change the fact that Swift has released two albums that have been described by multiple reliable sources as alternative projects. ℛonherry☘ 09:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yes, disambiguation pages exist for that reason, exactly. ℛonherry☘ 09:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But isn’t it just alternative rock. It is a bit redundant to list her as both an alternative and a rock artist. Genres she barely even touched. Theparties (talk) 02:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"But isn’t it just alternative rock. It is a bit redundant to list her as both an alternative and a rock artist. Genres she barely even touched." is your personal opinion aka original research. Wikipedia is at the mercy of sources, and in case of music, at the mercy of music critics and consensus. If two of her albums have been labelled "alternative", and have topped Billboard's "Alternative Albums" chart, then yes. Please abstain from original research and stick to the sources. I suggest reading WP:GENREWARRIOR too. Regards. ℛonherry☘ 03:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you’re really passionate about this then you can add sources that can prove your claim simply stating that she has been recognized as such by others is not proof. If you look at Beyoncé’s and Adele’s articles, there are sources that show which genre they have. It would not be difficult to find a source for Taylor Swift. Theparties (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, WP:GENREWARRIOR applies to you too. Theparties (talk) 19:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Billboard charts aren’t necessarily genres but format. Anyway, provide a source and I will stop challenging it. Theparties (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And while you’re at it, please provide sources on all her genres, her claim as a rock artist is shaky at best. Theparties (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's worth noting that the sources cited in the body for her "indie and alternative" era are [1],[2] and [3]. None of these look to me like they even use the word "alternative". The McGrath source exclusively calls the albums indie folk, the New York Times source uses only "indie", while the final authors lack mentions of both indie and alternative. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

04/12/2024 image dispute

I log in to Wikipedia and see this edit summary, as well as the ongoing revert war. I have fully protected the page to force discussion, rather than issued out warnings and blocks to those involved. So...discuss. Acalamari 17:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing this. I apologize if it's caused any problems. I've pretty much stated my case. I'll be at peace if everyone agrees that the photo doesn't belong.

I'll just quickly summarize that a public domain image of her that doesn't consist of her standing on stage holding a microphone is needed. It's a good photo that captures her international success and appeal. Yes, Japan and Tokyo are part of the global economy. I don't understand that particular fixation that was pointed out. It shows her appeal to different cultures.

I'm done. I wish everyone the best and I apologize again for any problems. CorpPorPearl (talk) 19:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A photo of the Tokyo Dome during the night of her performance doesn't prove anything related to the tour's cultural and global impact. Her performance there didn't break a major record and wasn't anything remarkable compared to the other records broken at other venues. How would the image help understand the article when her show at the Tokyo Dome isn't even mentioned in prose? And why would an image of a stadium prove that a tour had an impact when international artists have been performing there regularly? Medxvo (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The logical fallacy you continually use is called "loaded questions" and nobody here is obligated to give them credibility. CorpPorPearl (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The points still stand. The image doesn't help understand the article when its point isn't mentioned in prose per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, and an image of a stadium doesn't prove a tour's global impact when international artists keep performing at that stadium regularly, according to the their website. Medxvo (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That one is called the straw man fallacy. CorpPorPearl (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a critical thinking lecture :) Pinging the administrator @Acalamari since I don't have much comments to add and the other editor seems to be joking here. Medxvo (talk) 23:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red herring.

Ad hom. CorpPorPearl (talk) 00:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just go ahead and take the picture down. It’s not right to hold everyone up. I feel satisfied that this goof ball has been exposed. CorpPorPearl (talk) 01:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't "expose" anyone, you immaturely ignored the other editors comments (which are correct per the English Wikipedia guidelines) and refused to comment on them. Competency is required to edit on Wikipedia. Do better. λ NegativeMP1 02:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m tired, man. I’m done with this unless someone requests further participation. I mean it when I say I wish everyone the best. CorpPorPearl (talk) 03:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will never understand why and how experienced editors would go back and forth so much that admins have to be involved. Popped in here after realising I couldn't edit the article for some reason. Please people. All this over an infobox image? ℛonherry☘ 16:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete That image isn't even of Taylor Swift; it doesn't make sense to argue that it needs to be included in order to convey her importance and cultural presence. Yes, she is a very accomplished and famous singer, but Medxvo's point still stands when they say that that photo specifically isn't anything special. Now if we saw the inside of the stadium and it was completely filled, that would be something different as it is a visible marker of performance (sold-out stadium). The current photo, however, is of the outside and it doesn't look like this is any different from another Eras Tour stop/another artist performing in Tokyo. Additionally, CorpPorPearl has not actually responded to any counterarguments, preferring instead to (somewhat inaccurately) point out logical fallacies and snidely refuse to have discussion (because there aren't any good arguments for including the photo.) For five more minutes...^{it's just a single vice} 20:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox photo

Can someone update the Infobox photo? The new one is already on Commons Headless horseman 404 (talk) 07:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't need to be updated, it's only a year old. Besides all the 2024 photos we have of her are poor quality. The current photo is fine for now. Bowling is life (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 8 December 2024

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Swift's album The Tortured Poets Department has returned to #1 on the Billboard 200 for a 16th week.^[1] The apposite paragraph must be updated to reflect this. ItsMarkWbu (talk) 21:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct – there were restrictive protection settings in place due to a perceived "revert war" at the time I made the request. ItsMarkWbu (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Biographical" songwriting

@Ronherry: I'm not refuting Swift's fictional/biographical songs about other people. But Swift is known for what critics deem "autobiographical" (or confessional) songs. JSTOR, U of Melbourne are 2 of the academic sources that explicitly say this. Ippantekina (talk) 05:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"T Swift" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect T Swift has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27 § T Swift until a consensus is reached. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Caulfield, Keith (December 8, 2024). "Taylor Swift's 'TTPD' Returns to No. 1 on Billboard 200 for 16th Week After Physical Release of 'Anthology' Edition". Billboard. Retrieved December 8, 2024.

[1] Caulfield, Keith (December 8, 2024). "Taylor Swift's 'TTPD' Returns to No. 1 on Billboard 200 for 16th Week After Physical Release of 'Anthology' Edition". Billboard. Retrieved December 8, 2024.

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