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== Really a Junior? ==
== Really a Junior? ==
It's not really proper to call this John Seigenthaler a Junior since he doesn't have the same middle name as his father. Has someone found a source where he's called Junior and his father is called Senior? If not, I'd recommend renaming these, either with a middle initial or with something in parentheses. [[User:Wknight94|wknight94]] 17:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
It's not really proper to call this John Seigenthaler a Junior since he doesn't have the same middle name as his father. Has someone found a source where he's called Junior and his father is called Senior? If not, I'd recommend renaming these, either with a middle initial or with something in parentheses. [[User:Wknight94|wknight94]] 17:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well his father is called Sr. in the op-ed which started the controversy [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 01:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well his father is called Sr. in the op-ed which started the controversy [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 01:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::John M. Seigenthaler used to use "Junior" when he anchored in Nashville to prevent confusion with his father. You are right though. He is not, technically, a junior. [[User:Nut-meg|Nut-meg]] 05:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::John M. Seigenthaler used to use "Junior" when he anchored in Nashville to prevent confusion with his father. You are right though. He is not, technically, a junior. [[User:Nut-meg|Nut-meg]] 05:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I guess it depends on what you definition. Technically, I would argue he is in fact John Seigenthaler Jr. However he is not John M. Seigenthaler Jr... [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 09:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully this should put the debate to rest:
<blockquote>The NBC anchorman was born without a name. For three days after his birth in 1955, his parents bickered over what to call him. His mother wanted to name him after his father, John Lawrence Seigenthaler, to make him a junior. His father wanted the boy to have his own identity. Finally, they compromised. It would be John Michael Seigenthaler, in honor of his father, but not as a junior. —"Firmly Anchored", ''The Tennessean'', June 4, 2000.</blockquote>
Also, it should be noted that his father, [[John Lawrence Seigenthaler]], was actually John Seigenthaler, Jr. since he was named after his father the original John Lawrence Seigenthaler, Sr., so even if the NBC anchorman had been named after his father, he would have been John Seigenthaler III, not John Seigenthaler, Jr. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 19:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

==Bad press==
==Bad press==
Does [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm Seigenthaler] even know what he's talking about? It sounds to me like he hasn't done too much research into Wikipedia. He refers to us as "Wales' volunteers" and claims that Wikipedia allows anything to be posted. Only reason this stayed on the article as long as it did is because most people probabl don't look at this page very often. --[[User:Phoenix Hacker|Phoenix Hacker]] 08:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Does [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm Seigenthaler] even know what he's talking about? It sounds to me like he hasn't done too much research into Wikipedia. He refers to us as "Wales' volunteers" and claims that Wikipedia allows anything to be posted. Only reason this stayed on the article as long as it did is because most people probabl don't look at this page very often. --[[User:Phoenix Hacker|Phoenix Hacker]] 08:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
::More [http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/12/11/wikipedia.ap/index.html bad press] here. The guy really did his best to harass wikipedia :( [[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 15:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
::More [http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/12/11/wikipedia.ap/index.html bad press] here. The guy really did his best to harass wikipedia :( [[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 15:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
*According to [[Brian Chase (Wikipedia hoaxer)]], Seigenthaler Sr. was pretty lenient with the person who posted the incorrect info, even encouraging Chase's employer to refuse Chase's resignation when he offered it. [[User:Johntex|'''Johntex''']]\<sup>[[User_talk:Johntex|talk]]</sup> 20:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
*According to [[Brian Chase (Wikipedia hoaxer)]], Seigenthaler Sr. was pretty lenient with the person who posted the incorrect info, even encouraging Chase's employer to refuse Chase's resignation when he offered it. [[User:Johntex|'''Johntex''']]\<sup>[[User_talk:Johntex|talk]]</sup> 20:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
:I just saw this article on someone's talk page, I skimmed through it, I already had an idea of what it was about. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of GOOD people who are defamed on Wikipedia, both article subjects and users alike. However, we can only hope that the "volunteer" editors here catch the unvarifibale information quicker. [[User:Living large|Livin&#39; Large]] 04:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Really a Junior?

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It's not really proper to call this John Seigenthaler a Junior since he doesn't have the same middle name as his father. Has someone found a source where he's called Junior and his father is called Senior? If not, I'd recommend renaming these, either with a middle initial or with something in parentheses. wknight94 17:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well his father is called Sr. in the op-ed which started the controversy [1] Nil Einne 01:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
John M. Seigenthaler used to use "Junior" when he anchored in Nashville to prevent confusion with his father. You are right though. He is not, technically, a junior. Nut-meg 05:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it depends on what you definition. Technically, I would argue he is in fact John Seigenthaler Jr. However he is not John M. Seigenthaler Jr... Nil Einne 09:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this should put the debate to rest:

The NBC anchorman was born without a name. For three days after his birth in 1955, his parents bickered over what to call him. His mother wanted to name him after his father, John Lawrence Seigenthaler, to make him a junior. His father wanted the boy to have his own identity. Finally, they compromised. It would be John Michael Seigenthaler, in honor of his father, but not as a junior. —"Firmly Anchored", The Tennessean, June 4, 2000.

Also, it should be noted that his father, John Lawrence Seigenthaler, was actually John Seigenthaler, Jr. since he was named after his father the original John Lawrence Seigenthaler, Sr., so even if the NBC anchorman had been named after his father, he would have been John Seigenthaler III, not John Seigenthaler, Jr. Kaldari (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bad press

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Does Seigenthaler even know what he's talking about? It sounds to me like he hasn't done too much research into Wikipedia. He refers to us as "Wales' volunteers" and claims that Wikipedia allows anything to be posted. Only reason this stayed on the article as long as it did is because most people probabl don't look at this page very often. --Phoenix Hacker 08:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More bad press here. The guy really did his best to harass wikipedia :( Halibutt 15:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw this article on someone's talk page, I skimmed through it, I already had an idea of what it was about. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of GOOD people who are defamed on Wikipedia, both article subjects and users alike. However, we can only hope that the "volunteer" editors here catch the unvarifibale information quicker. Livin' Large 04:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:John Seigenthaler Jr. screencap.jpg

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Image:John Seigenthaler Jr. screencap.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]