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==Copyright query== |
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I have removed the copyvio tag due to the discussions below. Best, [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 20:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Cummon, this is just about verbatim ripped from n/s. {{unsigned2|06:00, 20 October 2005|202.9.60.238}} |
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== Copyright violation == |
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Cummon, this is just about verbatim ripped from n/s. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:202.9.60.238|202.9.60.238]] ([[User talk:202.9.60.238|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/202.9.60.238|contribs]]) 06:00, 20 October 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Supersolid&diff=25217654&oldid=16281866 Here] is the original edit which added the bulk of the current text - an anonymous contribution. I'm going to google a bit for the source. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC) |
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Supersolid&diff=25217654&oldid=16281866 Here] is the original edit which added the bulk of the current text - an anonymous contribution. I'm going to google a bit for the source. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC) |
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::Nuts, all Google hits are derived from this article. It still looks like a copyvio to me. Adding {{tl|cv-unsure}} here. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 01:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC) |
::Nuts, all Google hits are derived from this article. It still looks like a copyvio to me. Adding {{tl|cv-unsure}} here. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 01:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC) |
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The text was indeed copyrighted and was taken from the article "Just Passing Through" starting on page 34 of the October 8th issue of New Scientist. I have removed the offending text. |
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There's still offending text at the end, taken from Nature [http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v3/n3/full/nphys570.html Here] [[User:WorkerBee|WorkerBee]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 15:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Just completed a copy-edit of the page. Sadly, it took on a fairly condescending tone at times. This copy-edit might have also effected sections of the text which were under copyright. [[User:RevZoe|RevZoe]] ([[User talk:RevZoe|talk]]) 06:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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: Also, just noticed 'Nature story on a supersolid experiment' is a dead link. [[User:RevZoe|RevZoe]] ([[User talk:RevZoe|talk]]) 06:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Effective mass == |
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So when the helium was cooled below a certain point some of its mass disappeared. Is there any connection between this phenomenon and the phenomenon of 'effective mass'? [[User:Em3ryguy|just-emery]] ([[User talk:Em3ryguy|talk]]) 19:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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No, there is no connection between 'supersolid', mass decoupling in a torsional oscillator and an effective mass phenomenon. Supersolid is supposed to be a state where part of a solid behaves like superfluid, (check superfluid 4He, BEC etc.), but within a solid state. |
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The whole super-solid concept sounds pretty contrived (fishy). Apparent loss of mass, or more precisely momentum, has enormous implications across a very broad area of science, such as QM, astrophysics, potential implications for fusion, LENR, ZPE, etc, etc, etc..... Particularily given the fact that this concerns He4, a principle component of fusion (cold or HOT). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.68.90.133|76.68.90.133]] ([[User talk:76.68.90.133|talk]]) 00:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Inverted metal == |
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there is something called an 'inverted metal' that has properties that sound very similar to this. Does anyone know anything about this? [[User:Em3ryguy|just-emery]] ([[User talk:Em3ryguy|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== What? == |
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What is the last line of the article really saying? Somebody figured it out? Any sources? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.233.13.147|71.233.13.147]] ([[User talk:71.233.13.147|talk]]) 19:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Torsion experiments? == |
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Whatever happened to the torsion experiments, where it seemed that super-cooled HE4 seemed to lose mass..... Just curious...? |
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YAH... GOOD Question.... Nobody seems to want to talk about that one ! |
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[Please note: The above was an unsigned comment left on the article page. I moved it here since that was an inappropriate place for an editorial comment. [[User:Joshua Davis|Joshua Davis]] ([[User talk:Joshua Davis|talk]]) 18:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)] |
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== Hypotetical? == |
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A supersolid is a '''hypotetical''' spatially ordered material with superfluid properties. Superfluidity is a special quantum state of matter in which a substance flows with zero viscosity. |
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''Because it was not observed ...'' [[Special:Contributions/195.113.87.138|195.113.87.138]] ([[User talk:195.113.87.138|talk]]) 13:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== This helium or that helium == |
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There is a sentence sequence that has a strange way of saying what it's saying, and I thought it might mean to say the opposite. In the section on experiments, fourth paragraph |
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: Furthermore, most samples of helium-4 contain a small amount of helium-3. When some of this helium-4 is removed, .... |
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My interpretation of the first of the two sentences is the helium-3 is unwanted, like a contaminant, and the desired status is that the sample contain only helium-4. So when it says in the second sentence "some of this helium-4 is removed" it is unexpected, because in my interpretation the helium-3 is the unwanted isotope, and the experimenter would want to increase the amount of helium-4 or decrease the amount of helium-3. One obvious edit is that I'm correct in my tentative understanding and that it should read "When some of this helium-3 is removed," and the other possibility is to reword so that the reader is not primed to expect that the helium-3 is an unwanted contaminant. Perhaps a wording that suggests that the helium-3 is unexpected but interesting. [[User:Cardiffman|Cardiffman]] ([[User talk:Cardiffman|talk]]) 18:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
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== Unclear == |
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This article does not provide a very clear description of what a Supersolid actually '''is''' for someone not familiar with physics. In the [[Superfluid]] article, there is a clear description regarding the fluid's properties, complete with illustrations. This article has no such description, only saying "A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties." before diving into the background on Superfluidity and being extremely confusing as to how to relates to the subject of Supersolids. [[User:Biglulu|Biglulu]] ([[User talk:Biglulu|talk]]) 02:33, 24 December 2015 (UTC) |
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: Agreed. The article talks far more about superfluids than it does supersolids, and it took several re-reads to get the general gist - "A crystal with superfluid flowing within the solid lattice structure." And I'm not entirely sure if that's completely accurate. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Moved from External links == |
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* [http://prl.aps.org/ Phys. Rev. Lett. Vol.101, 8 August 2008] |
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* (1969). "Destruction of Superflow in Unsaturated 4He Films and the Prediction of a New Crystalline Phase of 4He with Bose–Einstein Condensation", ''Physics Letters'', Vol. 30, No. 5, November 3, 1969, pp. 300–301 Jack Sarfatti |
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEbcYP5o_e0 Youtube lecture on Supersolids] |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.191.67.197|86.191.67.197]] ([[User talk:86.191.67.197|talk]]) 20:16, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::I've also tentatively added in a brief recent [https://physicsworld.com/a/supersolid-behaviour-spotted-in-dipolar-quantum-gases/ news item]. [[Special:Contributions/86.191.67.197|86.191.67.197]] ([[User talk:86.191.67.197|talk]]) 20:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
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Copyright query
[edit]I have removed the copyvio tag due to the discussions below. Best, UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Copyright violation
[edit]Cummon, this is just about verbatim ripped from n/s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.9.60.238 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 20 October 2005
- Here is the original edit which added the bulk of the current text - an anonymous contribution. I'm going to google a bit for the source. Hairy Dude 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Nuts, all Google hits are derived from this article. It still looks like a copyvio to me. Adding {{cv-unsure}} here. Hairy Dude 01:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The text was indeed copyrighted and was taken from the article "Just Passing Through" starting on page 34 of the October 8th issue of New Scientist. I have removed the offending text.
There's still offending text at the end, taken from Nature Here WorkerBee —Preceding comment was added at 15:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Just completed a copy-edit of the page. Sadly, it took on a fairly condescending tone at times. This copy-edit might have also effected sections of the text which were under copyright. RevZoe (talk) 06:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- Also, just noticed 'Nature story on a supersolid experiment' is a dead link. RevZoe (talk) 06:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Effective mass
[edit]So when the helium was cooled below a certain point some of its mass disappeared. Is there any connection between this phenomenon and the phenomenon of 'effective mass'? just-emery (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
No, there is no connection between 'supersolid', mass decoupling in a torsional oscillator and an effective mass phenomenon. Supersolid is supposed to be a state where part of a solid behaves like superfluid, (check superfluid 4He, BEC etc.), but within a solid state.
The whole super-solid concept sounds pretty contrived (fishy). Apparent loss of mass, or more precisely momentum, has enormous implications across a very broad area of science, such as QM, astrophysics, potential implications for fusion, LENR, ZPE, etc, etc, etc..... Particularily given the fact that this concerns He4, a principle component of fusion (cold or HOT). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.90.133 (talk) 00:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Inverted metal
[edit]there is something called an 'inverted metal' that has properties that sound very similar to this. Does anyone know anything about this? just-emery (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
What?
[edit]What is the last line of the article really saying? Somebody figured it out? Any sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.13.147 (talk) 19:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Torsion experiments?
[edit]Whatever happened to the torsion experiments, where it seemed that super-cooled HE4 seemed to lose mass..... Just curious...?
YAH... GOOD Question.... Nobody seems to want to talk about that one !
[Please note: The above was an unsigned comment left on the article page. I moved it here since that was an inappropriate place for an editorial comment. Joshua Davis (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)]
Hypotetical?
[edit]A supersolid is a hypotetical spatially ordered material with superfluid properties. Superfluidity is a special quantum state of matter in which a substance flows with zero viscosity.
Because it was not observed ... 195.113.87.138 (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This helium or that helium
[edit]There is a sentence sequence that has a strange way of saying what it's saying, and I thought it might mean to say the opposite. In the section on experiments, fourth paragraph
- Furthermore, most samples of helium-4 contain a small amount of helium-3. When some of this helium-4 is removed, ....
My interpretation of the first of the two sentences is the helium-3 is unwanted, like a contaminant, and the desired status is that the sample contain only helium-4. So when it says in the second sentence "some of this helium-4 is removed" it is unexpected, because in my interpretation the helium-3 is the unwanted isotope, and the experimenter would want to increase the amount of helium-4 or decrease the amount of helium-3. One obvious edit is that I'm correct in my tentative understanding and that it should read "When some of this helium-3 is removed," and the other possibility is to reword so that the reader is not primed to expect that the helium-3 is an unwanted contaminant. Perhaps a wording that suggests that the helium-3 is unexpected but interesting. Cardiffman (talk) 18:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Unclear
[edit]This article does not provide a very clear description of what a Supersolid actually is for someone not familiar with physics. In the Superfluid article, there is a clear description regarding the fluid's properties, complete with illustrations. This article has no such description, only saying "A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties." before diving into the background on Superfluidity and being extremely confusing as to how to relates to the subject of Supersolids. Biglulu (talk) 02:33, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- Agreed. The article talks far more about superfluids than it does supersolids, and it took several re-reads to get the general gist - "A crystal with superfluid flowing within the solid lattice structure." And I'm not entirely sure if that's completely accurate. --King Starscream (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Moved from External links
[edit]- Phys. Rev. Lett. Vol.101, 8 August 2008
- (1969). "Destruction of Superflow in Unsaturated 4He Films and the Prediction of a New Crystalline Phase of 4He with Bose–Einstein Condensation", Physics Letters, Vol. 30, No. 5, November 3, 1969, pp. 300–301 Jack Sarfatti
- Youtube lecture on Supersolids
86.191.67.197 (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've also tentatively added in a brief recent news item. 86.191.67.197 (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)