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== The X motif == |
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As if this doesn't reference the deliberate scattering of Xs throughout the film as a sign of impending doom and a nod to Scarface. Source: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/reeling/2007/01/x_marks_the_spo.html — [[Special:Contributions/123.243.204.44|123.243.204.44]] ([[User talk:123.243.204.44|talk]]) 06:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:I accept the possibility that Xs mark "impending doom" and are part of an homage. However this article says that Xs "mark characters for death". I find this claim to be unsupported. To support it you would have to show not only that an X appear behind every character about to die but also that no Xs appear behind charaters that live on. I took the time to read the source of the claim (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/reeling/2007/01/x_marks_the_spo.html) and found two comments worth noting: |
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::1) "there are 3 scenes where Xs appear and the main character in that scene doesn't die. |
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::when sullivan is talking to an old lady there are Xs on the door, when sullivan is talking to ellerby in the golf practice place there are Xs in the background. there are also Xs on the window of dr. madolyn's home right before bill walks in." |
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::2) "After reading this I started looking around for X's in movies and everywhere else. What I found was...X's are everywhere ! The X is very common, just look around; saying that they were put there on purpose is completely ridiculous. If you look, you will see squares in most of the scenes also....I GUESS THEY WERE PUT THERE ON PURPOSE TOO." |
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:So I don't say that the claim is false but that it's unsupported. --[[User:Denounce|Denounce]] ([[User talk:Denounce|talk]]) 20:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC) |
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==Frank Costello== |
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There was a real life italian mafia boss named frank costello does this have anything to do with the film or is it just conicidence --[[User:Steinfeld7|Steinfeld7]] ([[User talk:Steinfeld7|talk]]) 03:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC) |
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They may have selected the name because of that, but The Frank Costello character is based on Whitey Bulger, an Irish Mob Boss in Boston in the 80s. [[User:Deliciousgrapefruit|Deliciousgrapefruit]] ([[User talk:Deliciousgrapefruit|talk]]) 15:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== A section for differences between Infernal Affairs and The Departed == |
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Either on the Infernal Affairs page or this page, do you think we should include a section indicating the differences between the two movies? [[User:Xatticus|Xatticus]] <span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.80.89.60|64.80.89.60]] ([[User talk:64.80.89.60|talk]]) 05:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Best Picture == |
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It says that this movie won the Best Picture Oscar, but it doesn't say WHO received the Oscar. Didn't the four producers each get an Oscar, according to tradition? If it doesn't say, then something has to be done about this. [[User:Jienum|Jienum]] ([[User talk:Jienum|talk]]) 13:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==The Debarted== |
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Is it really necessary to have a link to the debarted simpsons episode at the top of the page? Do you think many people are really getting confused about this? Perhaps this could be turned into a section at the end of the article titled affect on popular culture or parodies? as i know the simpsons aren't the only show that spoofed the departed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.207.83.40|71.207.83.40]] ([[User talk:71.207.83.40|talk]]) 17:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*Around Bahston it is called The Depahted. [[User:USN1977|USN1977]] ([[User talk:USN1977|talk]]) 19:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC) |
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==Ray Winstone== |
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Is Ray Winstone a big enough name to be mentioned in the initial part of the article? Well, I'm sure if you walked down the road of Hicksville, Wyoming and asked who Ray Winstone was you would probably get a negative response. But why does that matter when it comes to this article? He headlined the [[Beowulf (film)|Beowulf]] film (above Hopkins, Malkovich, Wright Penn and Jolie), which opened at No.1 in the US chart and went on to take in $82million dollars. He is mentioned at the beginning of the article for [[Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull]], has had major parts in other US based films and is a renowned, and award winning, actor in other parts of the world, especially Europe and Australia. Big enough star for an encyclopedia that is not supposed to be US centric? Yes. ([[User:Quentin X|Quentin X]] ([[User talk:Quentin X|talk]]) 07:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)) |
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:Roles in other movies are irrelevant here. I have a hard time thinking any rational person would argue he "stars" in this movie, and that's how the lead is written. He doesn't belong. [[User:Crotchety Old Man|Crotchety Old Man]] ([[User talk:Crotchety Old Man|talk]]) 10:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
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It links to the one in England. The one in Mass is in Western Mass, right next to New York. This is more likely, but I still doubt it. Is Sheffield a neighborhood in Boston? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.63.163.68|24.63.163.68]] ([[User talk:24.63.163.68|talk]]) 00:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Delahunt's Death== |
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After re-watching the movie and going over the scene where Timothy Delahunt dies after suffering the gunshot wound, I'd like to propose a edit to the cast list to note that Delahunt was actually a possible Boston Police undercover officer, as referenced later in the movie; the scene where the 'gang' is watching television, and the announcement that the body of 'Sergeant Timothy Delahunt of the Boston Police Department' was found. While Costello's remarks of 'They are saying he's a cop, so I won't look for the cop' could be true -- however, this doesn't explain ''why'' Delahunt simply didn't make Costigan after he was shot, because if one recalls, Delahunt gave him the wrong address at where to meet the group in order to 'take out the rat.' After Delahunt realizes this, right before his death, he asks Costigan that question: why? Why didn't he tell anyone that he gave him the wrong address? His death afterward left the possibility open. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.153.193.228|12.153.193.228]] ([[User talk:12.153.193.228|talk]]) 05:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Sure, he doesn't turn Billy in, but that could just as easily be because he's seeking some kind of redemption after a life of crime- or maybe he just likes Billy. He seems confused about why he's doing it anyways- which makes it more likely to me that he's doing it because he doesn't want to get Billy killed.--[[User:JollyJeanGiant|JollyJeanGiant]] ([[User talk:JollyJeanGiant|talk]]) 18:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Well, I think Delahunt was an undercover cop, as mentioned above. There was a very sound reason presented earlier. I just want to add one thing: the movie has a kind of equilibrium on both sides, a spy in the SIU and a spy in Providence. Now there was a supporting spy of costello in SIU and so it makes sense if Delahunt was a supporting spy in providence. I think you would understand my point better if you understood the theme of the movie. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Theseriousjoker|Theseriousjoker]] ([[User talk:Theseriousjoker|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theseriousjoker|contribs]]) 20:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Delahunt was no cop - he was popping off rounds at the real cops - while not wearing a vest himself. No cop gets in a gun fight with other cops just to cover things up. And certainly while not wearing a vest. Also, as soon as shots were fired, his training would have kicked in and he would have ducked for cover. Also, Delahunt was clearly too dumb to have been undercover. It's axiomatic that a successful plant has to be very smart. That's the weakness in the whole movie. And Costello would have known this - only smart people (or extremely good fakes, which also requires smarts) can succeed in undercover work. When you work in close quarters with someone for years, you can tell if they are smart. Costello would have known this. There may have been reasons why Costello didn't want to suspect Costigan, so he overlooked the fact that Costigan is clearly the prime candidate. The weak investigation Costello did into Costigan (after feeding him the fake information) would not have satisfied Costello - unless he himself was not very bright. So, if you think Costello is somewhat dumb, then Delhahunt (who was dumb) might have fooled him. But a dumb Delahunt would never have fooled a smart Costello. Delahunt was no cop. [[Special:Contributions/98.118.62.140|98.118.62.140]] ([[User talk:98.118.62.140|talk]]) 14:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC) |
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== Plot summary needs elaboration == |
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There is too much about the end of the movie and not enough about the beginning. The last 20 minutes is half of the plot summary. The end mentions details like Sullivan's last word but the beginning just says general things like "as both men infiltrate their respective organizations" to cover about an hour of the movie. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.50.71.84|173.50.71.84]] ([[User talk:173.50.71.84|talk]]) 23:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:If anything, the plot summary should be shorter. We do not provide a minute-by-minute synopsis of the movie. If the end is too long, it should be trimmed. ---<font face="Georgia">'''[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]'''<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 00:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC) |
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== Differences from Infernal Affairs == |
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I removed the following as unreferenced and original research, and bring it here for discussion. Until reputable and reliable sources are found for this, it must remain out. ---<font face="Georgia">'''[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]'''<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 19:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Despite the fact that this is a remake of the 2002 Hong Kong film, Infernal Affairs, there are numerous differences between The Departed, and Infernal Affairs |
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*The most obvious is the fact that ''Infernal Affairs'' takes place in Hong Kong, while ''The Departed'' took place in Boston |
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*The major "bust" in ''Infernal Affairs'' revolved around a cocaine deal, while ''The Departed'' focused more on the bust of a sale of microprocessors believed to be used for nuclear warheads (which were being sold to Chinese intelligence agents) |
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*The character Dignam (Mark Wahlberg) does not have an equivalent in Infernal Affairs. |
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*Dr. Madolyn Maddon is a composite of three ''Infernal Affairs'' characters: Yan's (Costigan) psychologist, Lau's (Sullivan) girlfriend, and Yan's ex-girlfriend. Dr. Lee, like Maddon, counsels Yan and later realized his true identity. Lau's girlfriend is another police officer, who like Maddon learns of her boyfriend's mob connection through a tape sent by Yan (Costigan), while the mother of Yan's child is a separate woman, unrelated to the other two. |
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*Costigan has an unborn son, while Yan's daughter was born several years earlier. |
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*Lau is kept alive at the end of Infernal Affairs and Infernal Affairs III , while Sullivan was killed in The Departed. |
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*In the scene where Lau (Sullivan) meets Sam (Costello), they meet at a standard movie theater, while in The Departed, Sullivan and Costello meet in a porno theater. |
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*In Infernal Affairs, Lau stops working for Sam due to a change of heart, and a desire to be "the good guy", while in The Departed, Sullivan stops working for Costello because it was discovered that he was an FBI informant, and he would have eventually given Sullivan over to the FBI. |
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*In The Departed, Costigan tips off Queenan through text messages. In Infernal Affairs, Yan (Costigan) contacts Wong (Queenan) through morse code. |
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*Costigan chooses to drop out of the academy to become a mole for the police. In Infernal Affairs, Yan is expelled from the academy; only after he is expelled is he offered the opportunity to become a mole for the police.</blockquote></small> |
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:While this list seems to be quite accurate, the last item isn't: while Yan is expelled indeed, it's obviously a cover for his new identity, so there is no real difference between him and Costigan. --[[User:Denounce|Denounce]] ([[User talk:Denounce|talk]]) 20:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC) |
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==Impotence?== |
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The article makes mention of Sullivan's impotence and the lack of a sexual relationship between Sullivan and Madden. I completely missed this part of the movie after several viewings. Is the article correct? What about Madden's baby, is Costigan definitely the father?--[[User:Kickflipthecat|Kickflipthecat]] ([[User talk:Kickflipthecat|talk]]) 23:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC) |
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:Okay I get the Madolyn crying in bed and getting pregnant when she does Billy. Is that it? Just suggestions?--[[Special:Contributions/64.174.79.82|64.174.79.82]] ([[User talk:64.174.79.82|talk]]) 03:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC) |
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He's not impotent. We can deduce this from the fact that she showed him the ultra-sound. If they had never done it, she wouldn't show that to him. Clearly he must have attempted (and succeeded) to have performed with her on more than just the failed occassion in the movie. [[Special:Contributions/98.118.62.140|98.118.62.140]] ([[User talk:98.118.62.140|talk]]) 22:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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=== Costigan is the father === |
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If Madolyn had the slightest suspicion that Sullivan was the father, she wouldn't have tipped off Dignam; it doesn't take a genius to know that the latter action will imply Sullivan's death or arrest, and she wouldn't want either for the father of her child, however sleazy and hateful he was. |
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Plus the way she cries in the funeral is indicative of a lot of things. |
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Plus look at the expression of surprise in Sullivan's face when he sees the ultrasound. [[User:Walter Sobchak0|Walter Sobchak0]] ([[User talk:Walter Sobchak0|talk]]) 14:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== Controversy? == |
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<blockquote>The film evoked controversy in Boston. Michael Patrick MacDonald, author of the Southie memoirs All Souls and Easter Rising, wrote an op-ed piece for The Boston Globe[12] praising the film's ability to recreate the "strangulating" culture created by Boston gangsters, politicians, and law enforcement officials at all levels of local, state, and federal government — a culture of violent death and silence that led to years of young suicides and an epidemic of painkilling through heroin and OxyContin, the latter even shown in the film.</blockquote> |
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Everything except the first sentence makes sense, but it is never explained what the controversy was. [[Special:Contributions/209.6.62.18|209.6.62.18]] ([[User talk:209.6.62.18|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC) |
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