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== Hate crime against Sikhs ==
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Please add info about this being hate crime against sikhs. {{Unsigned|Almightyvegeta|20:47, 5 August 2012‎ }}
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::Correct, for all we know right now, the gunman could have been a Sikh, we just can't speculate about it. Time will tell. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
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I would suggest a better name is Sikh temple shooting. That seems to be the fact that stands out for the title. [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 20:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Yes, but sometimes it's better to at least say "where" the shooting happened. Sometimes, it's also good to use "when" it happened, particularly if it's happened before. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::::: 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting would be a better name. Sikh temple massacre is odd.<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::: I based it on [[Columbine_High_School_massacre|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre]] . The problem with "shooting" it doesn't indicate multiple death. I would suggest a compromise with "2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple massacre" However, I don't think you need 2012. A Sikh temple massacre doesn't happen every year. The last one I can think of was [[Operation Blue Star]] and that was a different type of event. Next, I don't think Wisconsin is really that important to be in the title. I really think simple is better. "Sikh temple massacre" [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 20:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Shooting would be a better word. I understand the gravity of the event that comes with the usage of the word massacre. The word is generally used with the "mass sacrifice"[for a cause] (like the Jallianwala Bagh massacre). No one would have wanted to sacrifice the precious life in the shooting. The word shooting does indicate multiple causalities [[2012 Aurora shooting]]<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::::: Shooting works for me. Can we exclude 2012 and Wisconsin. Just "Sikh temple shooting" Less is more and I don't think 2012 or Wisconsin add anything. [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 20:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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Nope, we need a location and we probably need a year for reference. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
: Why? Is there going to some confusion with other shootings at other Sikh temples? Perhaps, "US Sikh temple shooting" The only other place I can think of as having violence in a Sikh temple is India. [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 20:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::How would one differentiate the article if shooting happens at some other temple in the future in US?<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

::Wikipedia articles about shooting incidents usually include the year and the location in the title ([[2011 Seal Beach shooting]] is another example). Asking for a title that goes against this practice is likely to be reverted.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 20:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}
Standard title naming process should be followed.<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

: That would depend on the article and the shooting. Many do not. I doubt that is backed by a policy. WOuld 2012 Sikh temple shooting work? To me, that follows [[WP:Precise]]. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Casprings|contribs]]) 21:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Including the year seems to be common enough, unless it's a very well-known incident like Columbine. I'd lean towards something like "2012 Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting" or maybe just "2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting" or something of that sort. (Since there are other Oak Creeks that are as large, and adding the full town+state gets unwieldy.) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 21:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

::: If you are going to put a name, why not define it by the country. "2012 US Sikh temple shooting" Oak Creek does little to define it for people and most people will define it by the shooting that took place in the US involving Sikhs. [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 21:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::::That's vague for no good reason. "Wisconsin" is common enough to be well-known, which is why I suggested it, though I think "Oak Creek" is probably better. We can obviously wikilink the town. I actually kind of like the current name (2012 Oak Creek shooting), but just adding in "Sikh temple" or "temple" might be good if people feel it needs to be expanded. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 21:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

::::Wow, with two hours of debating, we're ''nearly'' back to where we started. Why not let us focus on the events, improve the article, then worry about if it's a massacre or a shooting, if it's a US Sikh temple or an Oak Creek shooting? That's what [[WP:COMMONNAME]] is for. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, there's nothing wrong with having a discussion about it. It would be helpful to focus on the article though; much of it was a mess before some editing, despite being shorter than this talk page section is... In other words, it's fine to discuss...but since the name is accurate and so forth, then it's not THAT useful to quibble over at this point, especially right after the event. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 21:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I think we can all agree the title should be [[2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting]]. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.81.1.206|98.81.1.206]] ([[User talk:98.81.1.206|talk]]) 21:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Just to throw in my own opinion, I think the current title is fine as a working title, but as the article expands, we should consider other possible titles too. I personally would support [[2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting]] or [[2012 Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting]], though the current one works. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 22:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

:: I like 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting. The temple was named [http://www.sikhtempleofwisconsin.com Sikh Temple of Wisconsin], so I think it works.[[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 22:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

== Death tally ==


== what day of the week? ==
The number of confirmed deaths is not mentioned in the article at all, just in the info box. Shouldnt it be mentioned? [[Special:Contributions/74.103.39.3|74.103.39.3]] ([[User talk:74.103.39.3|talk]]) 20:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, but don't include the casualty of the perpetrator in the figures. Only innocent lives lost or injured needs to be mentioned<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::NPOV means that we should keep the perpetrator in the "people dead" group, but not in the "victims" group, I think. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 22:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


what day of the week? [[Special:Contributions/142.163.194.85|142.163.194.85]] ([[User talk:142.163.194.85|talk]]) 15:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
== Name change for article ==
:August 5, 2012 was a Sunday, although per [[MOS:DATE]] the day is not usually given. Today marks the tenth anniversary of this shooting.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/04/oak-creek-sikh-temple-shooting/]--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 15:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)


== My plans for this page ==
This wording for the name of the article is a bit awkward, and not very clear. It should be '''"Oak Creek Sihk Temple shooting"''' to make it clear that it was NOT just some random shooting that could have taken place in a random restaurant or movie theatre. But was specific to the Sikh religion and temple. Name change will be under way. Regards. [[User:Jots and graphs|Jots and graphs]] ([[User talk:Jots and graphs|talk]]) 22:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:Please do not change it without consensus. A discussion is ongoing above. Current consensus is pointing towards '''2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting'''. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 22:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:{{ec}}As you can see, there's a discussion to that effect above. Adding to that discussion rather than stating that a name change will be under way would be more helpful, as you're likely to just get people reverting you if you change it unilaterally while a discussion is in progress, probably ending up with the article move-protected. So I would suggest not causing all that hassle by just moving it without consensus above. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 22:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::Of course, but the process should be under way. I never actually said I would do anything. I'm not. But the whole thing is "under way". Consensus is building. The current name is simply not complete or clear, and I'm not the only one who thinks that on here, obviously. So then consensus will probably happen soon is the point. Don't misunderstood or assume what I meant. I did not say "I'm changing the name now". But the whole thing is in process, per the discussion here, from what I see. [[User:Jots and graphs|Jots and graphs]] ([[User talk:Jots and graphs|talk]]) 22:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} You know what, I'm going to start a Requested Move on this so as to make sure that consensus is determined by an admin, not just us, OK? - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 22:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::::The current name is simply not complete or clear, and I'm not the only one who thinks that on here, obviously. So then consensus will probably happen soon is the point. Don't misunderstood or assume what I meant. I did not say "I'm changing the name now". I didn't say I would actually do anything. But the whole thing is in process, per the discussion here, from what I see. By the way, why is the "move" arrow option NOT visible on this article? As it is in other articles... [[User:Jots and graphs|Jots and graphs]] ([[User talk:Jots and graphs|talk]]) 22:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} There seems to have been a move-war earlier because people couldn't decide where to put it, so it got move-protected. That's another reason I started the RM. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 23:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


For this page, I plan on adding more detail about the victims of this horrible event. I feel it is unjust for the shooter to be given a long description while detail on the victims is lacking. Along with this, I think this article could benefit from the history of violence on the Sikh community, specifically with the riots in Bellingham, Washington in 1907 and Live Oak, California in 1908. I think talking about how this unrecognized/denied a history of anti-Sikh violence perpetuates hate and allows events like this to re-occur. For information regarding this history I will be using an article by Bhogel and Parkville in the EBSCOhost database. In addition, although the article mentions some reactions after this event, I plan on adding more on the reactions and recovery in the Sikh Community through an article written by Alejandra Molina on the Washington Post. I believe this is a credible article because it utilizes families of the victims assuring these reactions are genuine and true. I will also be using the Academia database for information.
== Requested move ==


<nowiki>If anybody has any ideas or edits for my changes I would love to know. Please let me know on this talk page or mine~~~~coop444</nowiki> [[User:Coop444|Coop444]] ([[User talk:Coop444|talk]]) 18:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
{{Requested move/dated|2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting}}


:Some of this would lead to [[WP:TOPIC]] problems. The article is about the Wisconsin incident, not the history of anti-Sikh violence in general. The [[Bellingham riots]] has its own article. Likewise, long lists of reactions, condolences etc can also lead to [[WP:TOPIC]] problems.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 08:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
[[2012 Oak Creek shooting]] → {{no redirect|1=2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting}} – The current name is misleading. Consensus is generally strong that it should be moved, but in question is where it should be moved to. The above appears to have the most consensus, but on a potentially high-profile article I want to make sure consensus is clear before a move happens. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 22:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


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* '''Move''' . Name does need to change. This seems to have the most agreement. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Casprings|contribs]]) 23:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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* '''Move''' - the title that includes Sikh temple helps people find it easier and gives a better understanding of it. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Activism1234|<b><font color="teal">Activism</font></b>]][[User talk:Activism1234|<font color="darkred">1234</font>]]'''</small> 23:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
* '''Move''' (at some point) - Agree that including "Sikh temple" makes it clearer what the article is about. I'm happy with either "2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting" or "2012 Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting". But again, I'm not sure it's worth the effort and possible devolvement into move protection to bother moving it right now, when the current name is reasonably clear and the details are still unfolding. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 23:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' It's already move-protected. - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 23:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:Ziegenbalg66|Ziegenbalg66]] ([[User talk:Ziegenbalg66|talk]]) 00:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)</span>
== Notability tag ==


== Recent edits to the lede ==
Not sure why the notability tag was added, since it's being reported broadly and worldwide. But I'm going to challenge it here, not remove it (although anyone else can feel free to do so). - [[User:Jorgath|Jorgath]] ([[User_talk:Jorgath|talk]]) <sup>([[Special:Contributions/Jorgath|contribs]])</sup> 00:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:This event is being covered by worldwide media. I'd say it's certainly notable, and agree with both you and the other editor who did remove the superfluous tag. No reason for that tag to be on the article. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:2001:db8|2001:db8::]]&nbsp;([[User talk:2001:db8|rfc]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2001:db8|diff]]) 00:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:Absolutely 100% notable --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Activism1234|<b><font color="teal">Activism</font></b>]][[User talk:Activism1234|<font color="darkred">1234</font>]]'''</small> 00:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


My edits adding that a police officer was wounded by the gunman were removed from the lede as "not needed". The lede has long included a minor detail that the gunman committed suicide after being shot in the hip by police. Instead of reverting, I removed this for the reason that follows:
== Domestic Terrorism ==


Several reliable sources are reporting that authorities are considering this [[Domestic Terrorism]]<ref>{{cite web|last=Pearce|first=Matt|title=Gunman's tattoos lead officials to deem Sikh shooting terrorism|url=http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-sikh-temple-domestic-terrorism-20120805,0,6094643.story|publisher=LA Times|accessdate=6 August 2012}}</ref> <ref>{{cite web|title=7 Dead in 'Domestic Terrorism' Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh Temple|url=7 Dead in 'Domestic Terrorism' Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh Temple|publisher=ABC News|accessdate=6 August 2012}}</ref>. Should the article refer to this? If so, how and where? [[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]]) 00:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:It's in the article --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Activism1234|<b><font color="teal">Activism</font></b>]][[User talk:Activism1234|<font color="darkred">1234</font>]]'''</small> 00:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


Gunfire was exchanged and police were shot at, and they shot back wounding the gunman. Why would we include half of the details of what happened without explaining why police were shooting in the first place? Especially when so much controversy surrounds police shootings (though usually not in these mass shooter events, any police shooting needs a justification). The most concise way to include all necessary details would be to include that he shot at police officer, and gunfire was being exchanged when police shot back.
== Muslim terrorist attack ==


Why is it so important to delete that a police officer was wounded? I'm not going to revert again, I'm just wondering. [[User:Ben Azura|Ben Azura]] ([[User talk:Ben Azura|talk]]) 00:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Why is there no mention in this article that this incident was a Muslim terrorist attack? The Muslims are targeting Sikhs just like they are targeting Jews.
:Until we know from reliable sources that it was perpetrated by Muslims, that would violate [[WP:NPOV]] [[WP:OR]] among others. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Activism1234|<b><font color="teal">Activism</font></b>]][[User talk:Activism1234|<font color="darkred">1234</font>]]'''</small> 00:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


:The lead section is a summary, and the police response is dealt with in more detail in the [[Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting#Shooting_and_police_response|Shooting and police response]] section.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 08:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Because evidence points in the other direction, and there is little history of Sikh-Muslim violence in the US. Go back to the Free Republic. --[[User:Lionheart Omega|Lionheart Omega]] ([[User talk:Lionheart Omega|talk]]) 00:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
::The current version is an improvement. The now removed police response was an isolated detail. [[User:Ben Azura|Ben Azura]] ([[User talk:Ben Azura|talk]]) 08:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:33, 11 November 2024


what day of the week?

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what day of the week? 142.163.194.85 (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

August 5, 2012 was a Sunday, although per MOS:DATE the day is not usually given. Today marks the tenth anniversary of this shooting.[1]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My plans for this page

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For this page, I plan on adding more detail about the victims of this horrible event. I feel it is unjust for the shooter to be given a long description while detail on the victims is lacking. Along with this, I think this article could benefit from the history of violence on the Sikh community, specifically with the riots in Bellingham, Washington in 1907 and Live Oak, California in 1908. I think talking about how this unrecognized/denied a history of anti-Sikh violence perpetuates hate and allows events like this to re-occur. For information regarding this history I will be using an article by Bhogel and Parkville in the EBSCOhost database. In addition, although the article mentions some reactions after this event, I plan on adding more on the reactions and recovery in the Sikh Community through an article written by Alejandra Molina on the Washington Post. I believe this is a credible article because it utilizes families of the victims assuring these reactions are genuine and true. I will also be using the Academia database for information.

If anybody has any ideas or edits for my changes I would love to know. Please let me know on this talk page or mine~~~~coop444 Coop444 (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some of this would lead to WP:TOPIC problems. The article is about the Wisconsin incident, not the history of anti-Sikh violence in general. The Bellingham riots has its own article. Likewise, long lists of reactions, condolences etc can also lead to WP:TOPIC problems.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent edits to the lede

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My edits adding that a police officer was wounded by the gunman were removed from the lede as "not needed". The lede has long included a minor detail that the gunman committed suicide after being shot in the hip by police. Instead of reverting, I removed this for the reason that follows:


Gunfire was exchanged and police were shot at, and they shot back wounding the gunman. Why would we include half of the details of what happened without explaining why police were shooting in the first place? Especially when so much controversy surrounds police shootings (though usually not in these mass shooter events, any police shooting needs a justification). The most concise way to include all necessary details would be to include that he shot at police officer, and gunfire was being exchanged when police shot back.

Why is it so important to delete that a police officer was wounded? I'm not going to revert again, I'm just wondering. Ben Azura (talk) 00:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section is a summary, and the police response is dealt with in more detail in the Shooting and police response section.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current version is an improvement. The now removed police response was an isolated detail. Ben Azura (talk) 08:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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