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Never hesitate to say whats on your mind. I always try my best to understand others.
Never hesitate to say whats on your mind. I always try my best to understand others.


== Does that mean.... ==


Hey there [[User:Dream Focus|Dream Focus]], I recently nominated the article for [[Kelly Metzger]] for [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelly Metzger|deletion]], in which you pointed out why it should stay. I can't argue, so I hope the article stays now haha. Now, what I wanted to tell you was,
== April 2009 ==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, {{#if:|as you did at [[:{{{1}}}]],}} you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. <!-- Template:uw-vandalism3 --> ''[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Dream_Focus&diff=prev&oldid=285366082 Calling someone a fool], even on your talk page, is a violation of the [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]] policies.'' --[[User:EEMIV|EEMIV]] ([[User talk:EEMIV|talk]]) 14:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:Oh get over yourself. I did not call an actual person a fool, saying only that whoever went and nominated it for 7th time would be a fool, do to their actions. Its only against the rules if I insult an actual person, not someone who doesn't exist yet. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 16:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::Looks like I misread it as "the same fool". I suppose the warning for [[WP:NPA]] in this instance isn't apt, although your ongoing antagonism and insults -- even if vaguely thrown -- certainly run counter to [[WP:CIVIL]]. --[[User:EEMIV|EEMIV]] ([[User talk:EEMIV|talk]]) 16:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Threatening to have someone blocked is antagonistic and insulting. Next time read things carefully, before tossing out a threat like that. It isn't something you should do so lightly. On another note, would you believe it is antagonistic and insulting to constantly go around trying to delete articles that are less than one day old, or have already been voted Keep several times already, ignoring consensus and trying to delete something people said Keep(this is called a merge, even if nothing is merged, you just have to put a redirect there), accusing someone of nonsense constantly, mentioning the same idiotic examples of something even though its already been discussed and worked through(the canvasing nonsense), etc.? Have you read through everything on the most recent trial of character? I would like some comments on specific examples, and whether you believe they should bring up these same exact things, every chance they get. Also, was it wrong for me to ask my question [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Is_it_possible_to_check_a_user.2C_and_find_their_history_of_Redirects_and_merges.3F here]? Two editors who are accusing me seem to be very against me being able to do this. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 18:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


Firstly, I only nominated the article for deletion because, earlier I had made an article on Jillian Michaels, a voice actress who had voiced [[Lloyd Garmadon|Lloyd]] in [[Ninjago (TV series)|Ninjago]], (Metzger voiced Nya in Ninjago) but the article got deleted. Could you check [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jillian Michaels (voice actress) (2nd nomination)|the discussion]], because no one brought up what you brought up. Luckily, I had saved the [[Draft:Jillian Michaels (voice actress)|draft of the article]] before I published it. Could you check it out and see whether its okay and I can publish it again?
==Black Kite preaches civility, but does his own unsolicited advice apply to himself? ==
See [[User:Dream_Focus#AfD_comments]] where Black Kite criticizes you about civility.


Also, since I'm leaving a message for you, I'm planning on submitting an application to become a reviewer on Wikipedia. Could you check my stats ([[xtools:ec/en.wikipedia.org/MKsLifeInANutshell|xtools]], [[xtools:pages/en.wikipedia.org/MKsLifeInANutshell/all|pages made]], [[Special:Log/MKsLifeInANutshell|logs]], [https://afdstats.toolforge.org/afdstats.py?name=MKsLifeInANutshell afd], [[Special:Contributions/MKsLifeInANutshell|contributions]]) and tell me if you think my work and experience could get my application to be a reviewer accepted? Awaiting your response, [[User:MKsLifeInANutshell|MKsLifeInANutshell]] ([[User talk:MKsLifeInANutshell|talk]]) 12:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Commpare with this,[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Kite&oldid=290706880] with Black Kite advertising that you comments are "clueless" [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 23:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:LOL! He joined wikipedia to delete stuff that most people like, and unfortunately he can't do that now, so he is quitting. Since we've faced problems with him before, closing AFD his way, ignoring consensus of all the keeps, I'm glad to see him go, and more so that I was one of the ones that caused him to give up(although he'll probably be back soon enough). The golden age may come again, and the many articles that thrived since the time when wikipedia was young, only to be destroyed by hordes of deletitionists later on who decided the encyclopedia shouldn't have such things in it, shall be restored. When notability guidelines are replaced entirely by common sense, or a large tag atop them saying "these are just suggestions people! Use the reasoning part of your brain for things!" I dream of a day this will come to pass, and wikipedia will be the interesting paradise it once was. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 00:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


:Whether people follow the rules or not, depends on whatever random people show up to comment. Perfectly valid articles get deleted all the time. Even if an article is saved, the same people can just keep trying until they get what they want. I mass exported a lot of articles to https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page years ago to save them. You can post your article there and it'll be safe. As more things are deleted from Wikipedia, more people just look to the fandoms to find what they are looking for. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
== Edit summaries ==


== well that's a relief ==
re [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FLegend_of_gatorface&diff=297799824&oldid=297792407 this] and others; the principles of assuming good faith, avoiding personal attacks, and civility apply to edit summaries as well as to talk page posts. Tempting though it may be to post an innocuous message with a snarky summary (and I know I've done it myself in the past) I would advise you not to. <span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablomismo|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablomismo|hablo]].</sub> 22:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Oh get a life. There was nothing wrong with that. If people Googled they'd find information very quickly, and not have to waste our time going through an AFD. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 23:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::… And as your edit summary for that last post was "[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADream_Focus&diff=297809762&oldid=297806819 stop trying to pick a fight with someone about nothing pretending you aren't. No one is fooled]" I will take it that you do not agree. <span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablomismo|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablomismo|hablo]].</sub> 23:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dream_Focus/Interaction_with_others#History_of_quaternions] Wasn't your last comment snarky? You do that a lot. And did you assume good faith when you read my edit summary telling someone to Google before nominating something for AFD? I do not believe you have a sincere complaint or concern here. Not stop pestering me with your games. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 00:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't intended as a complaint, and I'm not particularly concerned one way or the other. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the guideline [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_summary#Use_of_edit_summaries_in_disputes here], which I have only recently read myself:
<blockquote>Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved.</blockquote>
::::Whether you choose to abide by the guidelines is, as ever, up to you. <span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablomismo|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablomismo|hablo]].</sub> 09:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm sure there is a guideline against [[User:Pablomismo/Let%27s_give_A_Man_In_Black_a_wedgie_and_put_him_in_a_sack_and_tow_it_through_a_cow_pasture!|Let's give Man In Black a wedgie and put him in a sack and tow it through a cow pasture!]] too. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 13:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Maybe so. Feel free to chime in with [[User_talk:Pablomismo#A_page_in_your_userspace|the discussion here]] if you have anything to add. <span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablomismo|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablomismo|hablo]].</sub> 14:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things but I wouldn't have expected that sort of thing from you and I'm relieved to see it was apparently just an error. [[List of kosher restaurants]] is actually a much better list article. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
== Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions ==


:I clicked on one of the links at [[list of kosher supermarkets]], went to that article, then looked it over and clicked on the wrong category there by mistake. Then I added things from that category by accident. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 06:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
I suggest you read [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]] before participating in an AfD debate again. [[User:Dalejenkins|DJ]] 10:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:I've been in enough to know how things end. There is no vote of the general populace on any of those essay/guideline/policy pages, it all up to whatever small group camps out there the longest, adding what they want, reverting others, and arguing nonstop until the other side gives up in frustration. Therefor you can't expect any reasonable person to take any of it seriously. Wikipedia is not a set of rules. You ignore all rules, and use common sense. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 10:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well millions disagree with you. [[WP:NOTANARCHY]]. [[User:Dalejenkins|DJ]] 10:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, no, you've never had even 1% of Wikipedia users participate in any of those things. And what exists now, was not there in the early years of Wikipedia, back in the golden age, before the evil hoards of deletionists forced their will upon the silent masses, changing policies, and mass deleting things calling it cruft, hacking large chunks of articles away because they didn't like it, and nominating many others for deletion. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 10:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


==But I Digress==
Dreamfocus: I suggest you pick up the March 2010 issue of Comic Buyer's Guide and read the column "But I Digress." I think you will appreciate it.[[User:Padguy|Padguy]] ([[User talk:Padguy|talk]]) 00:05, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for mentioning that. I am curious to see what you wrote. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 05:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
*:Kind of ironic that during the AFD, they didn't consider you a credible reference despite your experience in the industry, but as soon as you publish something, it does become a credible reference used to establish notability. Same guy, saying the same thing, but only when its in print, do they take it seriously. And there are articles for a lot of things the actor has had a significant role in, as the blue links in his filmography section of his article now indicate. You mention the deletionist nominator didn't consider [[Space Cases]] to be a notable work, and yet is long had an article on the Wikipedia. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 14:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an MMORPG]] ==

I agree 90% with you! [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 16:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:Dream_Focus#Deletionist_mentality_forced_upon_the_rest]] ==

I agree 100% with your newest essay. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 16:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ditto. Dream Focus has great commentaries.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 17:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Whoa cool! Someone actually reads that. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 17:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, you are quite correct in your analysis. The ignorance I keep seeing displayed in Afds never fails to stun me. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sexuality_of_Robert_Baden-Powell_(4th_nomination)&diff=340795919&oldid=340789569 this example]. "Minor"? He is considered the founder of the many decades old and international [[Scouting|scounting movement]] that has affected millions of people. Moreover, he was one of the commanders in the [[Siege of Mafeking|siege of Mafeking]], one of the two most important in the Boer War. Winning one of history's decisive victories in a significant colonial conflict (one of Britain's costliest and most well known from that era and one with long-term ramifications) and founding one of the most well-known international movements is hardly "minor". As far as his alleged homosexuality not being a "vast topic" is just ludicrously false. Do a Google Books search of Baden-Powell and sexuality or homosexuality and you get hundreds of results with multi-paragraph anaylses in published books, such as in [http://books.google.com/books?id=DMtQ_0-XYHAC&pg=PT82&dq=Baden-Powell+sexuality&cd=6#v=onepage&q=Baden-Powell%20sexuality&f=false this paragraph] or [http://books.google.com/books?id=giM73n_lca4C&pg=PA34&dq=Baden-Powell+sexuality&cd=7#v=onepage&q=&f=false this entry]. Declaring him "minor" reflects a lack of familiarity of his actually significant role in history, something any historian would know. Saying his sexuality has not received significant attention is either a false declaration or yet again reflects either not actually doing any even cursory research or having no real knowledge of the subject. And in a larger sense, humans as living creatures are driven in a significant part by their biology. The notion that our sexual desires does not influence us is ludicrous. In order to understand important historical figure's motivations, we need to consider even the controversial aspects of their lives. Now, from a purely academic standpoint, AfDs are frequently so out of touch with facts, honesty, etc. and are therefore so surreal as to defy just about any seriousness. Actual experts on any given subject do not frown upon Wikipedia because it covers some subjects that a vocal minority arbitrarily and usually ignorantly deem non-notable, but we frown upon Wikipedia on occasion rather ''because'' a vocal minority arbitrarily and usually ignorantly deems subjects for which they are not experts non-notable. And we keep seeing that every time someone bafflingly refers to someone with actual historical significance in at least two major instances as "minor." Just as we do with the example of the image you have recently edited, i.e. as the article cites an instance in which someone wanting to delete refers to a guy as a female amidst other factual errors that anyone familiar with the subject would not make. One other thing to keep in mind is that it is not as if "deletionists" outnumber the masses. One of the major failings of AfDs is that they do NOT reflect the actual will of the community. They are nothing more than a snapshot in tiem reflection of usually at best a dozen editor's who happen to be familiar with Afds. Most critically is that those with the mindset you describe are far more apt to hover around AfDs, whereas most others prefer article contributions (I like welcoming new editors myself...) or are sufficiently busy in their real lives so as to be unable to devote time to such discussions. Thus, we end up with scenarios in which thousands of people come here for an article that scores of editors contributed to being decided by a handful of accounts that in many instances have neither interest nor knowledge in the subject under discussion and because they personally are not interested in it and thus are unwilling to do any real research to see how it can be sourced/improved, they declare it is not worthy for anyone else either. We can generally agree that hoaxes, libel, and copyright violations have no place on Wikipedia and so I would never fault someone for wanting to protect Wikipedia from legally damaging or dishonest content. But once we start seeing calls to delete based on subjective bases, such as notability, then we start getting into deletion as a matter of personal preference indeed being forced upon others. Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 05:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== User page ==

I like your userpage. The topics and things you come up with is similar to the type of things that I see yet don't have the time to get to involved in them. Anyway, I may visit your user page from time to time to get a low down on what happening on wikipedia. Regards, [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] ([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]]) 19:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Glad to hear it. I probably need to edit that and get things organized and written better one of these days. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 19:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== Google searches for notability ==

From one ARS member to another: you might want to consider linking to the first few good sources you find instead of [[WP:GHITS|pointing to the search itself]] like you did at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jer's Vision]]. IMHO it's much more effective at proving notability to other participants and whoever closes the discussion. --[[User:Explodicle|<span style="background:Silver;color:Black;letter-spacing:2pt">Explodicle</span>]] <font size="-2">([[User talk:Explodicle|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Explodicle|C]])</font> 18:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:If they are too lazy to click on one link, they aren't going to click on several. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 20:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for the note, I'll try not to do it again. ==

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'''Hello Dream Focus''', Narutolovehinata5 has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small>
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:Yeah, no problem. We all make mistakes at times. Just try to imagine the feelings of a first time Wikipedia contributor next time around. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 07:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

==Question regarding merging==
Hi, I was directed to your essay/note on how merging is de facto deletion a few weeks ago and in scanning your userpage I thought I saw something about an RfC or something similar regarding one of these kinds of merges (where instead of merging the article it was just redirected). I was wondering what the result of the RfC (or whatever it was) was. Are the "powers that be" fine with this kind of thing? Was there in fact such an RfC filed? This is an issue I feel kind of strongly about. Thanks for any help in this matter. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
:You have to be more specific. Are you talking about the manga/anime merges or the Ultima merge perhaps? The discussion for the merge of Ultima was at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Ultima_characters#Merge_discussion] and the majority of people participating said they were against the merge. It never should've happened. Search the discussion for "7 against the mergers, 4 for the merges, and 1 guy for one but against the other two. I think consensus is to not merge anything." I'd also like to point out that there was canvassing at the Wikipedia video game board [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games&diff=prev&oldid=306516680] by a deletionists flat out asking for people to support him in destroying all of the Ultima articles. Read his comments please. An edit and revert war happened, I finally just waiting at the administrator notice board for an administrator to get involved, but none of them responded. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 04:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
*You can find someone posting about an AFD that ended in merge,but the article was just replaced by a redirect instead. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dream_Focus#Akane-chan_Overdrive] Several editors protested this, saying some information should be merged over, as was consensus. If you look at the history of the article it was suppose to be merged to, you can see the first of many reverts by various editors was done at 07:41, 6 February 2009 by Kintetsubuffalo[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mizuki_Kawashita&limit=100&action=history]. It went to RFC as I recall, and consensus was to merge information. After a few weeks, that information was deleted again by the same stubborn deletionist. The discussion was on the talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mizuki_Kawashita#The_debate_was_closed_on_06_February_2009_with_a_consensus_to_merge]. It then went to Wikiquette board [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive58#Collectonian_and_Farix_refuse_to_honor_the_Merge_consensus_on_AFD] but was closed after some arguing there, with the message to send it to another board, which I recall we did. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 04:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm. I'm not sure what it was I thought I'd seen then. This last example you gave me (the Akane-chan Overdrive incident) is exactly what I'm talking about, though. I find the use of a simple redirect following a vote to "merge" to be exceptionally sloppy editing to the point of recklessness. When such a redirect (under the name of a "merge") is performed by someone who knows better (e.g. an admin) then I think reprimands are in order. [[WP:MERGETEXT]] clearly states that of the two kinds of merger which may be performed the only options are the copying-over of ''all'' of the content of the "merge-from" article or the copying-over of ''some'' of the content of the "merge-from" article. Copying over ''none'' of the content, I would argue, is simply "deletion" against consensus (assuming there's been a AfD). WP:MERGETEXT lists 2 "actions which ''must'' be performed for both merger types" and the precursor condition to step #1 is "copying the content" (The rule begins "1. After copying the content..."). WP:MERGETEXT is described as a how-to guide detailing a practice or process, but I think that it's most closely comparable to Wikipolicy as opposed to, for example, an essay in userspace. At the very least, a how-to guide detailing a practice or process should provide evidence as to the primary meaning of the term as used by voters in an AfD.
:*I was kind of hoping that this reckless and perhaps at times underhanded practice had been addressed in the [[WP:Requests for comment/All#Wikipedia policies and guidelines|"Wikipedia policies and guidelines" section]] at RfC. I'd really like to see some sort of consequence to follow if any of the people patrolling RfD can be shown to be consistently doing this sort of "redirect in lieu of a merge." Maybe this isn't the best solution though. As I write this, it strikes me that perhaps all we need is for an editor or group of editors to monitor all merges and to put up a template warning editors that have failed to perform a proper merge that their actions have been reverted and to please try again. (This assumes I believe correctly that the default position for a pre-merged article is "keep until merged") Sounds like kind of a full-time job... Hmm. I'm kind of busy these days, but I'll try to come up with a template like this in the next few days. Do you think such a plan could work? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
::*Another thought: Perhaps a study should be done regarding how commonly these kinds of merges are occurring. Gaining endorsement by [[WP:UW]] for a warning template of the kind I discussed above would probably best work if the systemic problem is empirically demonstrable. I'm very busy off-wiki for the next weekish, but hopefully I can devote a little time to such a study after that. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
::*Update: Sorry to inundate you with messages like this. [[User:Thibbs/Sandbox|Here]] are some example templates I just made quickly to demonstrate what I'd be interested in ultimately. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
*There have also been times where they "merge" over everything from a group of character articles, and then trim it down to reduce 99% of it. I haven't seen that happen lately though. Anyway, good look with the warning templates. It'd be great if they had something like that to prevent problems. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 16:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


== On tagging but not posting ==

There's some articles that I find on AfD that I believe just barely meet notability standards, so I add sources and the tag to them. But I am not entirely sure about their notability, so I wait to see where the discussion goes. If it overwhelmingly goes to Delete, even with my sources added, I don't bother with it. If it's about even or mainly Keeps, then I will add my voice.

There's other articles as well that I am entirely unsure about the notability and I don't tag them with the rescue template, but I do add all the sources I can find and watch the AfD page. That way, I can see how they go.

In short, the ones I don't comment on, I do that because I am not sure about the notability of the pages and I wait to see where consensus is heading before adding my voice. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 07:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Your voice is what forms consensus. If you believe its notable, then speak up. Don't let others discourage you. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 07:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

==Iceland–Mexico relations==
Please express an opinion at [[Iceland–Mexico relations]]. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 04:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:I can't believe he is doing that again, nominating articles he previously nominated in the past, but failed to have deleted. Remember, when you contact everyone from the previously AFD, as the rules state you can as long as everyone is contacted, you should mention "The guy who nominated this article for deletion last time, has done it again. The article is EXACTLY the same content as last time. Everyone who participated in the AFD last time is being contacted." Or they might not consider that neutral. Just mention its the same AFD they did last time, instead of just asking for an opinion, in case they don't remember this, and don't know why you are telling them about it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 04:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

==Citing Google hits==
Look, before you cite Google hits as evidence for the notability of a topic (as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Buck_Humphrey&diff=prev&oldid=366630944 here]), perhaps you should check to make sure that a significant number of the hits refer to the person in question. (In this case, a number of the hits refer to the person's grandmother, [[Muriel Humphrey Brown|Muriel Buck Humphrey]].) I'm sure that many, many people have pointed out this to you before, but I'll try once again—simply linking to a set of Google hits does not establish the notability of anything; you need to show that the hits refer to the subject of the article and that they are [[WP:RS|substantive, reliable secondary sources]] that establish the subject's [[WP:GNG|notability]]. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 01:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:Look through the summaries and yes, some of those are clearly him. Spend a few moments glancing over it. I'll reply in that topic. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 03:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::See how easy that was? [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FBuck_Humphrey&action=historysubmit&diff=366925764&oldid=366836026] You could've easily just read through the summaries, looking at anything published after the year 2000 to see what was him. I can not link to the articles themselves, since all newspapers seem to require people to pay to read the full article these days, and what you end up with is less than what you can read in the Google search summary usually anyway. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 03:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:::If you think that those articles establish his notability, you haven't read our notability guidelines very well. And if you think that blindly and continually asserting notability despite the guidelines is a good idea, you obviously haven't been paying attention to the adventures of A Nobody and Ikip/Okip and a number of other editors who have thought that notability is an irrelevant concept. At least you're not (usually) defacing articles to make your point; I'll give you that. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 04:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::::The guidelines are not binding in any possible way, they just suggestions. Groups gang up to have their agenda passed, they achieving this as an excuse to mass delete vast numbers of Wikipedia articles that had been around for years. No vote was ever done, no significant number of people involved in editing the guideline articles, and no ruling by the Wikipedia foundation. Some people try to delete best selling novels and manga series that sell over 30 million copies, because they can't find any reviews. But more often than not, these sorts of things end up with a keep, do the common sense of those participating or that of the closing administrator. Its all random though. Give the same group of articles to different administrators and some would close as keep, where others would say delete. You never know what you are going to get. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 04:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Glad I saw this discussion Dream, I took some time to dig through the sources and find that many are not included in the current article, which had even missed the subject's appointment to a leadership position with US Immigration this past fall.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 04:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:Dream_Focus#Another_typical_day_for_the_Rescue_Squadron]] ==

* Nice note. We should create some stats on the worst nominators regarding their unsuccessful AfD rate!--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Milowent|talk]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[Wikipedia:Unreferenced BLP Rescue|blp-r]]</span></sup></small> 12:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

== Freedom of speech ==

Wherever I go on Wikipedia, your username seems to pop up (maybe I notice it because of the colors (or should I say colours) but I notice anyway). Although we obviously have different points of view I like the way that you battle for the freedom of speech and information on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! (Or is that to British?). But the real reason why I am here is that, maybe in future, I would like to quote some of your statements in my user section. Would you be comfortable with that? --[[User:JHvW|<font color="marroon"><b>JHvW</b></font>]] [[User talk:JHvW|<font color="marroon">(talk)</font>]] 15:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:Go for it. Wikipedia is all about sharing. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 18:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

== Wilson ==

"''The soccer ball was named Wilson and was his only friend.''". Best edit summary of the month. :-)--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[User talk:Milowent|talk]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[Wikipedia:Unreferenced BLP Rescue|blp-r]]</span></sup></small> 14:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

: Agreed! It totally made my day. :) --<font color="#006600">[[User:Mukkakukaku|'''M'''û'''ĸĸ'''â'''ĸ'''û'''ĸ'''â'''ĸ'''û]]</font> <small><small>([[User talk: Mukkakukaku|blah?]])</small></small> 19:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Kinetic Architecture==
Hey Dream, thanks for helping to save the [[Kinetic Architecture]] article from being destroyed. It was a really interesting subject to research, there are stacks of amazing transformer style buildings out there, shame we are discouraged from posting links to vidieos. One of my faves was a giant bird that sits atop a museum, its wings are so big it can cover the whole building at night and it can also use them to protect visitors from blinding sun or from rain storms. I added it to the article, hope you have a chance to check it out as id guess you'll find it of interest to. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 20:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:I didn't realize how big that bird was until I saw the cars there, looking like toys before it. Did you know the first drawbridges were made out of Legos? http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Drawbridge.gif I'm always glad when good articles get saved. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 05:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::Indeed. Love the edit summary btw. [[Image:718smiley.png|30px]] [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 12:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== The Rescue Barnstar ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 3px solid gray;" | For your hard work tirelessly finding sources for articles tagged for rescue. [[User:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#000070; font-family: Times New Roman">''Alpha Quadrant''</span>]] [[User talk:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#A00000; font-family: Times New Roman"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 15:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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== I absolutely endorse Heroic inclusionist against the evil deletionist hordes==

At least I feel understood! I have changed the Title of my article as you suggested, thanks FC 18:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
<small>Note: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User%3ADream_Focus&action=historysubmit&diff=419333546&oldid=419332911 Moved] from userpage by me. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span>]] 18:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)</small>

== Click here ==

Please [[User:Mr.Z-man/newusers|click here]] to find the answers to the questions you ask at the autoconfirmation RFC. Don't overlook the more recent/shorter time frame update on its talk page. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks! Its amazing that 10,161 new users had their articles deleted, and only 64 remained to continue editing after that. Many just having their article nominated or prodded for deletion, or it turned into a redirect, might take off as well. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== How do you do it? ==

Dream, you probably don't know me, but I wanted to ask you something. I first encountered your tag on AfDs, which is the only thing I occasionally peruse now. From there, I found your user page, and that is when I was convinced that you are definitely a kindred spirit in heart. I used to be quite active on Wikipedia, but after an incident involving a deletionist (nominating hundreds of articles a day after tagging them with every notability tag possible - including ones that made no sense), I lost heart. A lot of work is now gone, perhaps forever, over just not being able to keep up with what he was doing. I did save one! - ([[Bunnies & Burrows]]) - but others of equal references went bye-bye in ways you describe on your user page. So, now that I've given a little background, I have a question for you. How do you keep on going? In the past, I was passionate about trying to help Wikipedia. I took a break after the Gavin incident, and after two years, he has finally been banned. However, hundreds (maybe thousands) of articles are now gone - and each one could have been saved. I am just not sure I want to even try anymore. What would be the point? Wikipedia has changed - and I am not sure I want to be part of the environment it has become. Yet, you strive forward - and try to make a difference. Feel free to reply on my talk page if you like - or keep it here. I look forward to reading your response. (Interesting note, I had to comment on some AfDs really quick to get my recent posts high enough to post this here) [[User:Turlo Lomon|Turlo Lomon]] ([[User talk:Turlo Lomon|talk]]) 17:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think anyone but new users can post here, and you are only a new user until you have been around for four days and made at least 10 edits, or something minor like that. As long as you are logged in and not an IP address, it shouldn't be a problem. The relentless rampage of the hordes of evil deletionists does indeed cause many to loose hope at times. But I focus on the majority of AFDs I participate in that end in Keep, instead of dwelling on the unfortunate few that end up getting deleted. Its horrible when logic fails, and the bad guys get their way, however for the most part, as long as enough people show up to notice what's going on and comment, the articles are saved. If you see an article that you believe can be saved, tag it for the Rescue Squadron and help is on the way. [[:Category:Articles_tagged_for_deletion_and_rescue]]. Be warned of course, some deletionists do sometimes go there just to find a reason to delete something and insult us. Must be careful to remain calm and not sink to their despicable level. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

==Deletionists==
Just been reading your excellent defence over at the RfC. Sometimes it feels like theres such a chasm separating us from our deletionist friends that there no way for productive dialogue to occur. Some seek to preserve interesting content and a friendly welcoming collegiate environment while others seem to be here just to destroy knowledge and practice their verbal attacks. There can be no bridge between these two camps.

On the other hand Im becoming increasingly convinced that the way deletionists are portrayed in the media as spiteful book burners is only telling half the story. Theres examples like Ironholds who start out hyper deletionist but then progress to being sympathetic towards inclusionists. A couple of months back I chanced into an off wiki conversation with a deletionist and it turned out theyve spent the last ten years as a campaigner for a very good cause that I know is close to your heart. Just after I had to visit Stockholm so on the trip I read Markings by the Swedish mystic Dog Hammarskjold . It started with a quote from the even great mystic Meister Eckhart saying "Only the hand that erases can write the true thing". It felt like God was trying to tell me that some deletionists really do think destroying articles is genuinely helpful.

I guess the point Im getting to is that AGF is important even with deletionists. We may see no possible good faith explanation for their actions and arguments but that doesnt mean one doesnt exist. Its not good to risk hurting someones feelings if they actually think what theyre doing is for the best. I know its hard when they try to personalise debates, attack the squad and attack the good name of legends like Benji, Anobody and Ikip. But I think you said it best yourself – its always important "not to sink to their despicable level". [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 12:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


== An all American apple pie for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Wishing you a very happy 4th of July. Thanks for being the Wikkis most inspiring editor. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 10:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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:Glad I'm an American, where I know that while other nations might possibly exists, none of them are nearly as important or worth bothering with. They all spell things funny and drive on the wrong side of the road anyway. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 10:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
::Note, the above was a joke against the obvious stereotype Americans have in some places. Reading again now, that might not be clear. Should've included some winking smiley faces. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 22:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
::: I knew what you meant, it made me lol. But you're right, as we know all too well we cant count on all editors to be sensible. [[Image:718smiley.png|30px]] [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 19:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

== Well deserved ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your perseverance and hard work in finding the hard to find sources for the [[Jane Fonda]] article. [[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 00:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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==Thank you for your constructive input==
Your constructive input is appreciated. Wikipedia is about building a digital encyclopedia, and I appreciate your efforts to do so.
===A barnstar for you===
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 3px solid gray;" | Thanks for your efforts to rescue articles about notable topics that have hastily been nominated for deletion without due cause. [[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]] ([[User talk:Northamerica1000|talk]]) 09:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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== A Barnstar for You ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 3px solid gray;" | I notice you have made a signifigant difference in the outcome of many [[WP:AFD|Articals for deletion]] and have defended some of my statements, so here by award you the rescue barnstar. – [[User: Phoenix B 1of3|Phoenix B 1of3]] [[User talk: Phoenix B 1of3|(talk)]] 01:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
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==Dear dream focus==
I saw you question on the page for robotics design, and that is what led me here. From your talk page I see you as someone who values what he stands for over self-indulgent pride, and though I've known people like that that to never admit to needing a compliment, you are by a long-shot the person I've read anything about here that I admire the most. I won't leave you a badge, or a kitten, but a blessing; “Y’varekh’khah Adonai v yishm rekhah. Ya’er Adonai panav elekhah vee-khunekhah. Yeesah Adonai panav elekhah, v’yahsaym l”khah shalom.” <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Canadiansteve|Canadiansteve]] ([[User talk:Canadiansteve|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Canadiansteve|contribs]]) 06:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== AfD abuse? ==

Is it possible to have action against someone who abuses the AfD process? For example, if the editor nominates many articles which are clearly already well sourced and notable, and always kept by the administrator, can the track record result in a complaint of abuse of process? One particular AfD has caught my eye, but I have not looked for a track record yet. --[[User:Dthomsen8|DThomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 02:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Those who nominate the most AFDs just use Twinkle to click a button and instantly nominate one article after another. Shameful really. Tell them to please follow [[WP:BEFORE]] and then when that fails, you can take it to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]]. Or.. one of those boards. If you post in the wrong one, someone will tell you where to move it to. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 08:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

== NPA at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Bertha (golf club)]] ==

''"The problem is people like you "''

I can't think of any situation on WP, except possibly in a definition of ''[[ad hominem]]'', where that can be a useful or appropriate phrase to use. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 11:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:So its alright to insult a group of people as he did, as long as you use a different phrase to do so? That's just plain stupid. The meaning is understood either way, so no sense not being direct and honest. He hates people who created articles he doesn't like, and I hate people who mindlessly try to destroy articles because they don't like them. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:: As I said to a 7 year old only yesterday, ''two wrongs don't make a right''.
:: Besides which, Alan's complaint was worded quite correctly to address ''the complaint'', i.e. the edits, and not the editors. Yours doesn't even try that much. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 14:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::That's right. I don't try to hide what I'm saying, while he does. He complains that anyone can create an article he doesn't think should exist, since he doesn't like it, and then argue with him in the AFDs to keep it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

== Help with an AfC? ==

Hi! I know we've run across each other in the AfC or AfD boards, and I know that you've done a lot of work here on Wikipedia. I wanted you to take a look at an article that I've declined due to lack of sources and then kind of erm... adopted. If the claims in the article are true (and I have no reason to believe that they aren't), then this is someone that needs to be included on Wikipedia. Since I've dipped my hand so deeply into the article and helped edit, I can't in good faith approve the page. The original article writer hasn't put it back up for submission, but I wanted to let you see it so you can decide if it's something that is ready for prime time yet. [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Linda wolfe]] Thanks! [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]] ([[User talk:Tokyogirl79|talk]]) 07:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
:I found some coverage of her straight away. I'll work on the article. This isn't a problem really. The New York Times mentions her throughout the review of one of her novels. [http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/10/books/swx-and-death-in-central-park.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 08:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
*If her books are notable, then the writer is notable, by rule of common sense. Her official website list reviews her books have received. [http://www.lindawolfe.com/works.htm] Any book that gets two or more notable reviews, can be made into its own article, as I have done with one of them already. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 08:54, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
*Type in the web address of any newspaper or magazine she is said to have written for, and then search for her name. I added a link to a New York Times article she wrote. I think the article has enough references now to be put into mainspace, notability clearly established. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 08:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:*Cool- I just wanted to get someone else to help out before I made the big move. Thanks! [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]] ([[User talk:Tokyogirl79|talk]]) 10:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diplomacy'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For a good debate, without rancor on the [[Middle-earth]] page, thank you. [[User:GimliDotNet|GimliDotNet]] ([[User talk:GimliDotNet|talk]]) 15:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
|}

== A tiny stub can change the world! ==

Dream, thought you might be intersted to hear that the wikipedia stub for [[Zuccotti Park]] was responsible for that location being chose for the world's very first Occupy general assembly. Apparently this is even though it was just a [http://www.thenation.com/article/163924/occupy-wall-street-occupy-everywhere "skeletal entry"] at the time. Thank goodness deletionists arent always allowed to have their way and destroy all our stubs! When far sighted historians write the history of the early 21st century, I suspect folk like yourself, the Colonel and Ikip will be listed as heroes of the Age. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 18:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


== Merge != Delete ==

You've obviously been around a while so I was a bit surprised by [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ocean_County_Sheriff%27s_Department&diff=470682323&oldid=470681865 this] comment. A merge is a merge, not a delete. If nothing were merged it would be a redirect. You've been around long enough to understand that. Yes many of the editors, myself included, recommended deletion. Please dont forget to assume good faith. Editors are trying to gain consensus and one way to do that is to compromise.--[[User:RadioFan|RadioFan]] ([[User talk:RadioFan|talk]]) 01:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:Compromise? You couldn't delete the article so you want to "comprise" and eliminate it by other means. I've replied on that talk page. We can continue the discussion there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

== Can you help? ==

Would you mind taking a look at [[User:Samen54]]? It's a new users attempt at an article deleted via AFD. I've no problem restoring it, but it needs some major fixes. The AFD had sourcing concerns that seem to have been addressed. I'm busy studying for promotion right now and I have another article someone else has asked me to write and I just can't do this thing too.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 03:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:This guys gets coverage in various places, all of them in Spanish. Some promising sites are hidden behind paywalls. [http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7085530/La-psiquiatr-a-cosa-de.html] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::He's got a few sources in the new article and some on my user page but I just can't sort through it all, fix the citations, trim the article, and take it to DRV.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 03:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Someone familiar with "psiquiatra" would have to look through it. I went through Google news archive search for his name and the shorter version of "Jaume Canellas" and searched also for "psiquiatra" to try to find some significant coverage of the guy. Running the results through Google translator, and I don't see anything that other than them quoting him at times about a hospital and whatnot. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
== ARS ==

I posted some thoughts [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Article_Rescue_Squadron&diff=prev&oldid=473393907 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&diff=471685305&oldid=471683220 here]. What are your thoughts on these ideas for ARS?--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 21:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:If they were against it before, they'll be against it now. And you don't need to post anything telling the closing administrator there are now references in the article. You just list what the references are that prove notability, in the AFD like we always do, and they can look at that. Then they look at the standard responses of people insulting the references found.
*That's not enough coverage(things like computer software never get a full page review just a paragraph or two) since we measure things by number of words spent talking about something, not the content of those words themselves.
*Complain that even if its listed on the reliable sources noticeboard as a reliable source, they believe its a right/left wing publication, and thus it should not count as a reliable source
*State that a full page article about a writer/artist/sculptor/composer's latest work isn't mostly about them but their creation so doesn't count to their notability
*Insist that pointing to the official website for a television show that list that they did review a product on a certain episode, doesn't count towards notability since if you can't find the entire episode online somewhere, then you don't know if it was a long review or brief mention
*Insist that while coverage of the activities of a High School count as significant coverage for it, that the same sort of coverage for an Elementary School, A sheriff's department, a fire department, or others, does not count towards its notability.
*Mistakenly state that either the General Notability Guidelines or the secondary guidelines don't matter, that you need to meet both of them to prove yourself notability, then argue nonstop about that misconception.
*State that coverage showing a book was a bestseller doesn't count, nor is confirmed sales mentioned in reliable sources showing millions of copies of something were sold, because those are just "big numbers".

Sometimes you get legitimate complaints/concerns about references found, but usually its just one of those that I listed. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 22:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::So maybe a new essay might help too? Something like [[Poor arguments against sources]] and explain why they are invalid arguments. I'm actually in agreement with many of the things you've said.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 01:51, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Oddcast (company)]]==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left|alt=|link=]]

A tag has been placed on [[:Oddcast (company)]], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. '''Please see the page to see the reasons'''. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on [[User talk:Bazj|my user talk page]].

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit '''[[Talk:Oddcast (company)|the page's talk page directly]]''' to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact [[:Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles|one of these administrators]] to request that the administrator [[Wikipedia:Userfication#Userfication of deleted content|userfy]] the page or email a copy to you. [[User:Bazj|Bazj]] ([[User talk:Bazj|talk]]) 09:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
*Dream, the above, as I posted at [[Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron/Rescue_list#Oddcast_.28company.29]], is '''VERY WRONG'''. It make me cringe, I know this is happening all too frequently on wikipedia. What can we do about it?--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 14:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:*Ask the guy who tags a sufficiently large number of articles for speedy deletion within a short period of time to take a moment to look at things more closely perhaps? Then check up on their record to see if they need to be taken to ANI? That might work. Lot of guys like that out there though, and its hard to sort through the many nominations to see which ones are valid and which ones are invalid. You need to show a regular pattern. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== "accusations" ==

I'm sorry that you interpreted my complaint as an accusation. I'm not trying to say anything bad about you, I'm just saying that you should tone down the inclusionist rhetoric around newcomers, since they don't realize that there's a whole spectrum of political opinion. Apparently I said something to upset you. It wasn't my intent, and I'd appreciate it if you could tell me what it was, so I can avoid it in the future. But if you don't want to, I guess that's your right. --'''''<font color="red">[[User:NYKevin|N]]</font><font color="green">[[User talk:NYKevin|Y]]</font><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/NYKevin|Kevin]]</font>''''' @898, i.e. 20:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:I wasn't trying to push an agenda. I just saw someone being rude to her in the AFD, and elsewhere, and I commented, saying what was on my mind as I always do. Its not rhetoric, its my blurting out whatever pops in my mind at the time. And people will have their own beliefs about this from the very start, very seldom anyone changing their minds, regardless of what anyone says to them. Some are what the Wikipedia defines as [[inclusionists]], who say "hey, the actor is probably notable, or that television show gets watched by plenty of people, and its not hurting anyone to have articles for them", while others are [[deletionists]] who say" no, we don't want it on the Wikipedia for whatever reason, and we're going to try to get rid of all it". [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mentioned at ANI ==

You have been mentioned in [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Article_Rescue_Squadron_again|this discussion]] at ANI.--[[User:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|The Devil&#39;s Advocate]] ([[User talk:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|talk]]) 19:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

== Peacebuilding ==
{{Talkback|Shooterwalker}}

{{Notice|A policy discussion related to ARS and the issue we discussed has been raised [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_the_article_rescue_list_for_disputing_a_spinout.2Fmerge|here]]. Feel free to add anything I missed. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 16:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)}}
For whatever reason, what could have been a two person conversation about an article has become needlessly dramatic. Instead of making this about you and me, why not wait for the policy discussion to unfold at VPP. Like I said, if the community is behind you, then there's no need to bicker. I'll gladly admit if the consensus is against me here. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 16:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:You seem to take everything personally and think its all about you. Maybe you have an ego problem or a win-at-all-cost-mentality. I don't know. I honestly don't care. You are the one dragging this out all over the place. You bringing this to the village pump does seem like an attempt at canvassing to me. I clearly pointed out to you before you did that, that all Wikiprojects discuss redirects and mergers as well as deletes. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:: The only thing personal is when you accused me of deleting stuff and ignoring consensus because I don't like it, which is completely untrue. I also let it go and offered to work with you. You're the one who escalated a two-person discussion to ARS. VPP is the legitimate forum for the kind of policy changes executed by NorthAmerica. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 17:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== ANI ==

You been mentioned at ANI [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#ARS Canvassing at AfD|here]].--[[User:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|The Devil&#39;s Advocate]] ([[User talk:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|talk]]) 18:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
*Hey DF, I weighed in as well. Your comments are right on the mark. Now, let's go back to hating each other! All the best, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=477148842&oldid=477145505 Well said]. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:06, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

== ARS ==

Dream Focus - is it possible that ARS can appoint a contact or a noticeboard for specific concerns or complaints? What I mean is, if there is a perception of canvassing, can there be a place where it can be brought up with the ARS itself before going to ANI? Perhaps some of these concerns can be addressed by ARS before the entire community has to weigh in. What do you think? I think it would only be effective if the ARS were receptive to it and empathetic to the concerns. Thoughts?--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 18:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
:Are the people whining and scheming receptive and empathetic to our concerns? They can post on the ARS talk page. And you can't accuse us of canvasing if different members have voted delete in some of the few recently added articles for consideration. I even said delete in one. Seriously, look it up. Can you find even one person that has said keep in every single thing listed? [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
::Besides Northamerica1000? I'm receptive, and I think a lot of people are, to the Article List. I think the recent ANI thread on that was a legitimate concern but didn't recognize that this was a more transparent way of dealing with that concern. I've spoken to several folks on [[WT:ARS]] about some of the issues. I think that folks feel 1) ARS isn't receptive, and 2) There is no where to go to complain. If we have a couple of folks from the ARS who would hear out complaints and we could have some bi-lateral discussions on how both sides can have their concerns addressed. I think the real problem is ARS says "It must be done this way" and whatever you call my side says "No, it can't be done at all" and what we need to do is find a "How can we do this in a way that can't be abused?"--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 18:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Step one, find proof that is actually being abused. You have hordes of determined people looking for every little thing to criticize in it, so if such proof existed, surely one of them would've found it. As far as people that don't like us, or certain people active in it, they will never be happy no matter what. Letting them get some token victory to feed their ego and satisfy their win at all cost mentality, is not something I plan on bothering with. Look at just how many articles go to AFD each day. No one person can possibly go through all of them. Surely they can find some to participate in that won't involve any of us. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I think part of the key to the success of this is dealing with the perceptions as well as reality. As I am sure you know, perception is reality for some. So if you ignore the perception, folks are going to feel like you are ignoring the problem. What needs to happen is folks can present what they perceive to be happening and the ARS can look into it and say "Well, that's not exactly what is happening because...but maybe we can make that more clear by..." or "You're right, so we'll fix it by..." Do you get what I mean?--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 19:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::There is no problem. If they can't find any proof to back up their ridiculous claim then we can ignore them. These people have constantly been asked to show evidence of their imagined claim. There is no way to convince them of what they choose not to believe. Most people have enough sense to see the truth, so the few editors that refuse to aren't really relevant here. We might have some harassing us on the ARS Wikiproject page or elsewhere at times, but recently that hasn't been any real problem. There have been editors and groups of editors at times over the years who have gone to the talk page of the ARS and had long drawn out arguments that extended for several pages and over a significant period of time. No one is keeping them from doing so again. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 23:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Look, you need to combat the perception. If you ignore it, it'll get worse and it has gotten worse. Besides, I gave evidence of a particular user and it was dismissed. I'm talking about open dialogue between ARS opponents and the ARS itself. If you're not receptive to all concerns and willing to talk about them, then there isn't a point. When you hold a stick that you can wave and dismiss whatever you don't feel like addressing, you are closing the line of communication and it's not going to be used. When I have hard evidence, why would I bring that to ARS? Folks want to talk, be open to their concerns. ''Something ARS is doing'' is causing the perception. It didn't materialize out of thin air. That needs to be discovered.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 02:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::"When I have hard evidence, why would I bring that to ARS?" What? You bring it wherever you want. But if you see an actual problem, discuss it on the talk page for the Wikiproject. I don't own the ARS. No one owns or controls any of the Wikiprojects. Stop bugging me with this nonsense. Go to the ARS talk page and discuss whatever imagined/perceived problems you think exist there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I bug you because your the most vocal voice and there is no doubt that you have a significant influence in the ARS but if this isn't going anywhere then I'll bugger off.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 03:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

== User page concerns ==

I see you have made some good effort to accommodate concerns about your user page, but I have other objections. For one, the term "elitist" is really just as offensive as terms like "snotty" so I think [[User:Dream Focus#Elitist Deletionist|this section]] should be seriously amended to remove terms like "elitist" and "snotty with "snob" being another that should be removed. Honestly, the section should probably be removed altogether, at least everything from the numbered list up, because even the parts that don't use such words strongly imply the insult. I think the part about the hurricane picture is a humorous and perfectly appropriate comment for a user page. Other occurences of those words should also be removed I think.

Another section is [[User:Dream Focus#Yet another decent legitimate article destroyed by the unreasonable vicious hordes of deletionists|this one]] where I think the heading is the only serious issue so it should just be replaced with something else.

Furthermore I think [[User:Dream Focus#Canvasing rule allows you to contact those involved in an article|this]] essentially reads like providing inclusionists a loophole in WP:CANVASS. Maybe just removing the comment "surely want to preserve" would suffice.

Those are the only issues I can think of at the moment, but another suggestion I would have is that you sort out some of this material. Currently your user page is about 214 KB of basically raw text and is not easily readable. You could create new subpages in your user space to accommodate the material.--[[User:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|The Devil&#39;s Advocate]] ([[User talk:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|talk]]) 18:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
:In order of concerns. "snotty" and "snob" only refer to people they are trying to impress, not anyone here. Elitist is a legitimate term for people, since I don't know of any other which would work tehre, and doubt its offensive. I overlooked the amusing "Yet another decent legitimate article destroyed by the unreasonable vicious hordes of deletionists" one when I was censoring the rest of my user page. I'll rename that into something no one can complain about. I quote what the canvassing rule says, because it kept coming up regularly enough for me to comment on, and you really should let everyone who created or did a significant amount of work on an article know it is up for deletion so they can participate. There was a bot that we got made that was run for a short time, before it vanished for reasons unknown. Its rude to try to destroy someone's work without at least letting them have a say in the matter. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
::While understanding what you are saying about it being said in the policy the remark about "surely want to preserve" certainly does give the impression that you are only suggesting this as a sort of a loophole in WP:CANVASS that can help editors rack up keep votes. Hence why I suggested that you remove that particular remark.--[[User:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|The Devil&#39;s Advocate]] ([[User talk:The Devil&#39;s Advocate|talk]]) 04:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::No. I clearly indicate after it ''(by working on the article's issue''. Articles are kept based on the merit of the arguments in the AFD, not by the number of people voting keep. The more people that show up who are willing to try to fix any problems that may exist, instead of simply calling it by disparaging names as unfortunately happens from time to time, the better.[[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 05:21, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

==Your edit at [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)]]==
There is some confusion at the relevant talk page as to what you meant by [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)&diff=476050188&oldid=475776194 this edit]. I interpret your edit summary ("no need to repeat word for word what is at the top of the page") as meaning that you were eliminating an unnecessary redundancy, but another editor is interpreting it to mean that the redundant text (about significant coverage) was removed because it does not apply to nonprofit organizations. Your input at [[Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#Question about WP:NONPROFIT]] would be appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 02:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:I think I explained it well. "no need to repeat word for word what is at the top of the page" was in my edit summary. The very first two sentences on the article are being copied over to another section for no real reason at all. I went ahead and explain on the talk page also. Secondary guidelines exist to show some things are notable even if they don't meet the primary guideline at [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
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:I'd also like to add that I consider it completely inappropriate to remove the CSD tag from [[Template:Rescue]] '''''[[User talk:Purplebackpack89#top|<font color="#660066">Purpleback</font>]][[User:Purplebackpack89|<font color="#000000">pack</font>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<font color="gold">89</font>]]<font color="#FF9900">≈≈≈≈</font>''''' 03:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::I'd also like to add that no one cares what you think about that, Purplebackpack.--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 03:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I agree. No one cares Purpleback. You are responding to something I did last week [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ARescue&action=historysubmit&diff=476362763&oldid=476358614] before this went to a proper discussion, which is still open at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Template:Rescue] Stop edit warring until the issue has been resolved there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 07:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

== [[The Last of the Greats]] article ==

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== [[Richmond Medical Center]] ==

Hey I just expanded the article significantly but I would like a fresh pair of eyes giving me their opinion if I did a good job there.[[User:Luciferwildcat|LuciferWildCat]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 08:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Wow! Cool rabbit!==
Thanks for doing the detective work to find the editnotice page. Now I will not forget again. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 17:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

:Just came here to thank you for the editnotice and it seems you have one yourself. Coolio. [[User:Androzaniamy|Androzaniamy]] ([[User talk:Androzaniamy|talk]]) 18:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

:: Saw your note about this on the Colonel's page and have made on for myself. Thanks again for sharing this important knowledge! [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 12:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Whoops! I forgot to tell you. I was trying to think, who to tell, and who might not want to be bothered. It can be put on any page at all. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 13:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Actually, FYI, it only works on each editor's own user and user talk page. I saw this posted on your user page and was surprised that any editor could apparently create an editnotice for any article; after looking into it, I was relieved to find that [[WP:EDITNOTICE|that's not the case]]. [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]]) 15:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[Iberogast]] up for PROD ==

As you were someone who did a significant edit to this article, you may want to chime in on it. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 11:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

:Hi, your reasoning for de-PROD didn't make much sense. Perhaps you could elaborate on your reasoning? [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 13:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::It can not be claimed to be a promotional article, since it isn't trying to sell anything. Its out of patent, anyone can make it, and its been prescribed for decades. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 13:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:::The original article linked to a single manafacturers website multiple times, so yes, it does appear reasonable to conclude that it was trying to sell something. [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 15:16, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::::That edit made a lot of edits while on Wikipedia. Linking to a website that has the name of the product with a .com behind it was a simple mistake obviously. Since the article says the product was created in 1961, I'd not assume it was an ad at all. Its important that people follow [[WP:BEFORE]] instead of just trying to delete something without doing even a quick Google news archive search. The first thing that appears in such a search is significant coverage in a well established science magazine. Anyway, all discussions about the article should be focused on its talk page. [[Talk:Iberogast#About_this_article]] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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:Just responded to it. Hope the message is gotten across by those with open minds and the determination to make things happen. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

== Ronz ==

I think you need to start an RFC/U focused solely on the facts, not opinions of the facts. If you do so, I will certify it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I may have posted in the wrong area. People have linked to past discussions at ANI he was involved in though. I guess we could find difs of all the times he went to someone's talk page and threatened to have them banned/blocked after they disagreed with him to show a pattern there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Hey DF ==

I don't really know Ronz. I looked a bit at some of the links, and read some of the discussion stuff at Alicia's page. I got the impression that there were good intentions .. more a case of [[WP:CIR]]. I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything. Maybe a case of a young user who is a fanboy? I honestly don't know. Oh well, it was just a suggestion/thought. Best of luck. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 16:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:He keeps wording things to make it sound like the discussion was about something else, and twisting things around. You'd have to read through a lot of that endless text to see a clear pattern. Please look briefly at this one section. [[Talk:Alicia_Silverstone#Undue_weight_of_animal_rights_and_environmental_activist_in_lede]] See how every response he twists things around? [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
::re: Archive revert. Sure - that's fine. No problem at all. Was just trying to help. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 21:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Your user page ==
It loads fine for me, but I'm on a broadband connection. It's time to archive. There's no need for stuff from April 2009 to be here. [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 20:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Regarding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dragonlance locations]] ==

I made a reply to your comment on that page, asking you a question. I wonder, could you perhaps answer that question? That would be greatly helpful, thanks.[[User:New questions|New]] [[User talk:New questions|questions?]] 05:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
:I just did. [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)]] is the answer that you seek. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raleigh Downtown Live]] ==

Hello there! Just a note, I've expanded/revised my comment at the above AfD discussion. When I was doing so, there was an edit conflict, so you may not have seen my revised comment. Since you commented there, just letting you know about my comment revision. <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 19:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, good finds. I am still surprised there wasn't more, but I assume its because Google news search isn't all knowing and complete. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks. All other web search engines should be eliminated, and then the whole [[world]] could route all of their searches only through [[Google]] <<sarcasm>>. It sure would be an improvement for the {{tl|Find sources}} templates to be enhanced with additional [[Web search engine|search engine]] options. Fact is, Wikipedia may be overly-reliant upon Google, in which Wikipedia becomes based upon Google search results. {{smiley}} {{smiley}} {{smiley}} <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 01:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::What other search engines handle news search? I just tried Bing, and it doesn't go back more than seven days. [[Web search engine]] list a lot of them to try though. Yahoo news search for this has zero results. [http://news.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A2KJNTtnV5dPjXEAaSPQtDMD?p=%22Raleigh%20Downtown%20Live%22&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::I don't know right now. Google has been critiqued as being "the shit", currently supposed as having the best [[Search algorithm]]. So...? <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 02:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::* Sometimes I just do standard searches on main search engine pages, rather than in their news sections. When doing so, sometimes just typing the word "news" and a comma, and then the subject creates results not found in other searches (e.g. "news, Raleigh Downtown Live") (without the quotation marks). <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 11:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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* Here's a site I haven't used in a while, but it often provides fruitful news searches: [http://www.thepaperboy.com/ Thepaperboy.com]. <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 12:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

* Might as well mention other search methods I've used, of which you may or not be aware of.

:* Using quotation marks in searches (e.g. "Raleigh Downtown Live") can narrow search results, in which only results which have the entire term are generated.

:* Sometimes to omit results, adding a minus (-) sign and url addresses for unwanted sites can result in higher-relevance hits (or at least higher relevance hits per Wikipedia's notability standards, to omit sites that aren't valid for demonstrating topic notability){{spaced ndash}} e.g. "Raleigh Downtown Live" -Public-relations-hype-that-doesn't-prove-notability.com.

:* To narrow searches to specific sites, here's something that works in Google searches, an example from when I was working on the [[Taipei Community Services Center]] article: '''Taipei "Community Services Center" site:www.taipeitimes.com''' This returns results only from (in this example) www.taipeitimes.com.

:* Then there's the find sources templates, which I have had success with, particularly Find Sources3, which has the most options.
::{{tl|Findsources}} news · books · scholar · free images
::{{tl|Find sources 2}} news · books · science · free texts · free images
::{{tl|Find sources 3}} GBooks · MSBooks · GScholar · MSAcademic · GNews recent · GNews old · NYT recent · NYT old · Wikipedia Reference Search

Maybe some of this information could be added to the search tips page you created for ARS. Even better, perhaps information from that treatise could be included in/merged to the [[Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron Guide to saving articles|ARS guide to saving articles page]]. I don't have the link for that page you created, could you list it here? Here's an opportunity to improve the ARS page! <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 15:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I created a page somewhere. Anyway, add to it as you see fit. Having all helpful information about finding sources, etc, on one page makes it easier to find and sort through. No sense cluttering up an already long main page. You can edit it as you see fit. You do a lot more work than I do on Wikipedia these days. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

*Doh! Just remembered. [[Wikipedia:HighBeam/Applications]] is where you sign up for getting a HighBeam account, and that will allow far greater power in finding news sources. Someone mentioned it on the ARS talk page somewhere. Perhaps regular members who haven't signed up already for it should be reminded. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

==ARS Guide to saving articles==
* Check this addition out: '''[[Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron Guide to saving articles#Web search tips|Web search tips]]'''. It's from [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron/Search_suggestions&oldid=489217591 Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Search suggestions] (which is now redirected to the Rescue guide page). <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 21:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
== your sig ==

Please fix [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Geek_humor_(3_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=489526301 your signature]: the timestamp is misleading. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 21:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

== AFD ==

You didn't format the [[Blonde bombshell (disambiguation)]] AFD properly. You have to use {{tl|afd2}} on the nomination page. I have fixed this for you. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 22:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you. I was reading through information to try to fix it. Glad you saved me some time. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 22:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

== Shirley Jackson Award ==
* Sorry about the strangely placed Ĥ om the header. I was in Explorer and I forgot that you have to wait until all the special characters have loaded before you start editing.[[User:Bjones|Bjones]] ([[User talk:Bjones|talk]]) 03:07, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
::I was just curious, it rather strange to see. I don't even know how to make that character, I never seeing it again. I use Firefox since Internet Explorer always had so many security problems, and Firefox just does everything better. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== Pornbio Strawpoll ==

I've seen you was the one who had requested it. A strawpoll started a couple a days ago, you can vote and share your opinions [[Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#PORNBIO_criteria_regarding_awards_.28straw_poll.29|here]]. Regards, [[User:Cavarrone|Cavarrone]] ([[User talk:Cavarrone|talk]]) 08:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== What are you doing? ==

We have an editor, [[User:Androzaniamy]], who is unable to understand the collaborative nature of Wikipedia. Editors were attempting to correct her and finally [[User:PamD|PamD]] left what I felt to be the most helpful message of all. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Androzaniamy&diff=next&oldid=493269739 It was removed] after you immediately left another message explaining that she could remove information as she wished and leave a message telling people to leave. This may be correct per [[WP:OWNTALK]] but it was not the advice that the editor needed at that time.<tt> </tt>[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 15:01, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:If an editor doesn't want to see you on their talk page, then leave them alone and stay off their talk page. She already said she doesn't want to listen to busybodies and whatnot. Honestly now, why are you people so determined to bother her? I've never seen that sort of traffic appearing elsewhere. The collaborative nature of Wikipedia does not include bothering someone by flooding their talk page with nonsense all the time or pointless criticism. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::There's a lot to be learned from Dream here. If you follow the link to Sue Gardner's video presentation from this [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Interviews desk/Sue Gardner |SignPost interview]], youll see Sue talking about our "death spiral" of declining active editors which has been ongoing for the last few years. This isnt driven by an increase in the rate at which established editors leave, but by us keeping a much lower percentage of newbies compared to the early years.

::Sue notes how in the early years folk used to talk to Newbies in the same manner as does Dream - using normal friendly language at a level that regular people can relate to. Since the death spiral began, many editors have been using wikispeak instead of straight forward english, expecting Newbies to somehow understand. Not many in the community yet share the Foundation's view on this, but keep in mind its informed by thousands of hours of analyses and meta studies of all the different language versions of Wikipedia. This is why Dream's excellent communication skills make him our very best model Wikipedian. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Here's the problem though. Other editors have been friendly with the user in question, but the editor has not accepted assistance or advice from friendship. The editor was/is precipitously close to a block. While we would like to keep every single editor possible, [[WP:CIR|competency is required]]; however, Dream Focus has been telling the editor that incompetency is okay.<tt> </tt>[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 14:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::::The editor made simple mistakes early on, and a bunch of people ganged up on her making things worse, instead of politely explaining things like they should have. She does listen to those who explain things properly. Now people are doing pointless criticisms again and suggesting she leave Wikipedia if she doesn't like it. If she doesn't want someone on her talk page, she has the right to remove their post and tell them not to post there anymore. You aren't being friendly to pick apart every little thing she does and pester her. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: @Ryan, I wish I hadn't posted now as I mainly wanted to make some general points and didn't know an editor was at imminent risk of a block. IMO Worm is second to none as a mentor and I agree its best to avoid the risk of undermining his work with mentees. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 15:59, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
There is no doubt the Amy was on the cusp of getting indef'd, and had WTT not stepped in it's highly likely she would have been. It's not enough to "count votes" at a discussion -- who is commenting and what they are saying is equally or more important. Continuing to "encourage" Amy is likely to get her blocked and is highly irresponsible. <small>[[User talk:Nobody Ent|Nobody Ent]]</small> 21:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:She is NOT going to get blocked by telling people to stop posting on her talk page if they are bothering her. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 21:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==True Colours==
Dream, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8 this song] is true about you in more ways than one. Thanks for being such an awesome member of this project! [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

==Barnstar==
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[[User:Soulboost|Soulboost]] ([[User talk:Soulboost|talk]]) 22:18, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Help Survey ==

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:Survey filled out. Not sure what good it will do. Until they have set unchanging rules to clear things up, everything will continue in its current state of unnecessary stress and confusion. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== Invitation for comment ==

As you are an experienced editor, and in particular has been very constructively helping damaged articles, your opinion would be appreciated in this, as yet, non-consensual and '''critical''' [[Talk:Ethereal_beings#Label|talk]]. Thanks, [[User:Excalibursword|Excalibursword]] ([[User talk:Excalibursword|talk]]) 17:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Firstly thanks very much for your comprehension and determination. A user had previously restored the page over there, thus seemed more complicated renaming it (and in the original talk the complainers messed all the assessments), than just keeping it and inserting a link to the original talk (which was done in the '''first section'''). This seemed enough to me, but really sorry if this made it some unclear. Now, in any case (not earlier and not now), it is evident that there isn’t a consensus to blank anything, but unfortunately some user just reverted the redirects along with unbelievable summaries. Likely you will think very useful the links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=486144331#Dispute_at_Easter_involving_a_user_with_strange_and_hostile_conduct_.28unfortunate_timing.29 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bloodofox&oldid=487685544#Easter here]. All best, [[User:Excalibursword|Excalibursword]] ([[User talk:Excalibursword|talk]]) 05:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== [[Ethereal beings]] ==

I am dropping a note to [[User:Dream Focus]], [[User:Hour of Angels]], [[User:Melodychick]] and [[User:BluishPixie]] about [[Ethereal beings]] to say that I like the article and would like to see this material retained in some form, even if the article as constructed does not ultimately achieve recognition as a valid topic under this title. It is a nice article and the contents at the least could be incorporated into the relevant articles for each topic if they are lacking any of it. <span style="text-shadow:#DDDD00 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Obotlig|<font color="#0044FF">Obotlig</font> <font color="#000000">☣</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Obotlig|<font color="#008844">interrogate</font>]]</sup></span> 19:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Sunday will arrive ==

Hi Dream. I got impressed for the polemic produced in that debate, and seemed very, very unlikely the deletion of the article. In cases like that is it not obvious that any article should be kept? How is possible one admin taking that final decision? It is clear that a neutral committee should decide that. It seems pretty much a contestable act over there, therefore a clear case to the [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|Deletion review]]. My main problem is finding time to all this, however I will be there if you or some else do the request. By the way, thanks for all; you are a true knight. [[User:Excalibursword|Excalibursword]] ([[User talk:Excalibursword|talk]]) 14:33, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
:I'm busy with other things in life and don't have time for a long drawn out debate I don't think will go anywhere. The people that put that area on their watchlist and show up regularly usually side with the deletionist mentality. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
::[[File:ClaymoreHighlanderReplica_rotated.jpg|left|200px|thumb|''Sometimes the fight is more important than the victory or defeat.'']]Dream Focus, you did a lot and well. We fight every day of our lives, keep in mind fighting to right principles (as you done over there), then you and all will be always winning. Barnstars are interesting but here is a more useful tool to you. [[User:Excalibursword|Excalibursword]] ([[User talk:Excalibursword|talk]]) 17:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
*[[WP:BATTLEGROUND|Wikipedia is not a battleground]].[[User:Maunus|·ʍaunus]]·[[User talk:Maunus|snunɐw·]] 17:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
**Not a battleground, just a place were opposing camps see who can argue the longest at the guideline pages to get things their way, and use the results to justify elimination types of articles they don't like. A place where people arguing nonstop at AFDs over whether articles should be kept or deleted, people seldom agreeing with one another or convince of someone else's viewpoint at all, locked into what they believe at first, and refusing to budge from it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|Today's story]] mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). Thank you, inclusionist who is almost always right, for your "keep" for the baritone's soprano colleague! -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#30 May|Today's story]] is about [[Samuel Kummer]], one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
==For Your Interest==
:I'm not really interested in this sort of thing so don't send me any more Today's Story things. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 04:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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== Re: [[Ultima IX: Ascension]] ==


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Why not mention GOG here? Video game articles almost invariably mention if game is distributed through distribution services like Steam or Desura. GOG is a licensed distributor, not a retailer. It's a game publication channel just like others. Listing individual retailers that carry games would indeed be an unmanageable proposition, but not so in case of digital distribution channels.


== Merge discussion ==
Also, "a lot of sites sell the game, but no reason to link to them" is inaccurate. Ultima series is not available through other digital distribution channels, and until GOG started distributing them recently, they have been only available second hand in recent years. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 19:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:My mistake. I searched Amazon [http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0009AJ7IC/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all] and the official website [http://store.origin.com/store/ea/search/?keywords=Ultima+IX] and find you are right. That is odd a big company like EA would sell its old property through someone else, when they could easily do it themselves. Maybe they own GOG. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi @[[User:Dream Focus|Dream Focus]]! Looks like you created [[The War on Children]] in February. There's a merge discussion here that you may want to participate in: [[Talk:The_War_on_Children#Proposed merge of Robby Starbuck with The War on Children]]. [[User:Dreamyshade|Dreamyshade]] ([[User talk:Dreamyshade|talk]]) 17:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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*Image loaded to commons now linked to it. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tandem_duct_aerial_vehicle_4.jpg [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 13:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


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== Ummm, just changed [[Ultima (series)]]... ==
I happened to just be reading about good old Ultima and, as I am wont to do, I fiddled with it, specifically adding 'needs improvement' and two 'unreferenced section' templates. Then I noticed you had just been doing something in re: citations, so I just want to point out my changes were made unawares of yours, and shouldn't be considered any kind of reaction or whatever, just MHO on the current state of the text. ofc, as a long-term WP'd'n, I won't be the least offended if you choose to disagree w/ my edits entirely. [[WP:BOLD|Be bold]], I ALWAYS say. Unless I'm feeling whiny... Anyways... [[User:Eaglizard|Eaglizard]] ([[User talk:Eaglizard|talk]]) 21:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
:I don't see any reasons to add citations there. I know some of the information is somewhere in the Official Book of Ultima by Shay Addams version two that I own and read, and the rest is probably listed somewhere. Having played all of the Ultima games I do remember having to answer questions to prove I had the manual, and thus didn't just copy the disks from somewhere. But whatever. Maybe someone will feel like looking up information. I don't think any of that is really in doubt, or slanderous in any way, so I'm just going to ignore it. If you feel like it really needs the tags, leave them in, if I have convinced you otherwise, then remove them. Whatever, no big deal.[[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 21:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


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While I appreciate your removing the completely unsourced information that you previously supported, please remove all the information until you can find a far better source that's more in line with WP:BLP so the information isn't an obvious [[WP:NOTDIARY]] violation. Perhaps this would be best brought to [[WP:BLPN]]? --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz|talk]]) 15:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:The information is sourced to a major newspaper AND the official website of the actress herself. So its not a problem. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah I found the additional information kind of had a 'yuck' factor, but Dream is right about this. If she's willing to tell the world, it can't seem too bad to her. -- [[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 17:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I very much appreciate what you do. I think it is very sad that some Wikipedians, and people in general, act the way they do, only trying to get things their way and not listening to reason or thinking for themselves. The world needs more people like you. [[User:Biglulu|Biglulu]] ([[User talk:Biglulu|talk]]) 05:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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== You are now being accused of making legal threats ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANakoula_Basseley_Nakoula&diff=512289818&oldid=512289243 just letting you know]. [[User:Seb az86556|Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] <sup>[[User_talk:Seb_az86556|> haneʼ]]</sup> 01:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
::No, actually DreamFocus is not being accused of that. How about you and that other editor both just tone it down a little bit? -- [[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 02:43, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
:::That is a surprise. I linked to the Wikipedia article for [[slander]] to help clarify and explain my position. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 07:20, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

== Reference for Burning Low ==

I agree with you that Finn and Flame Princess are dating, but to solidify the evidence for it, can we get a url reference to a reliable source? [[User:Ratemonth|Ratemonth]] ([[User talk:Ratemonth|talk]]) 14:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
:I think the transcript on the wikia site might violate copyright laws, so you can't link to it in the article. I'm not sure. I did link to it on the talk page. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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== Nomination of [[Coolture]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[Coolture]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coolture ]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd-notice --> -- [[User:Uzma Gamal|Uzma Gamal]] ([[User talk:Uzma Gamal|talk]]) 12:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

== Source information request ==

Thanks for helping out with the [[Pizza cheese]] article. I've been working on it, and I was wondering if you have access to this paywalled source:

* [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=MN&p_theme=mn&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EFE48C86891A728&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM "Heated debate."] ''Star-Tribune''.

If you do, I'd like to add a quote to the source in the article to back-up this statement in the Pizza cheese article: "Each year in the United States, 700 million frozen pizzas are sold, 3/4th of which contain contain cheese substitutes." (The information isn't in the abstract for the paywalled article).

If you could provide a direct quote from this source, I would use it as a quote addendum to the reference in the article. It sure would help out, and I would truly appreciate it. If you have access to it, and the time, feel free to post it on my talk page, or add it to the source in the article.

If you don't have access, or time, oh well! {{smiley}} Thanks for your consideration. <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 13:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
:Click here [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=most+popular+type+of+cheese+used+on+pizzas&oq=most+popular+type+of+cheese+used+on+pizzas&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i400.931.8230.0.8357.52.9.5.38.42.0.165.866.6j3.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.EZ8lsati3eo#q=most+popular+type+of+cheese+used+on+pizzas&hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=YPZkUKiVHYr69QT5xYHgBw&ved=0CCIQpwUoBQ&fp=1&biw=939&bih=575&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=YG1oUOqVKo689gTpx4CABw] and you can see what I saw in the summary. I tried Highbeam, but it won't show me that article. And questia and credo are as worthless as ever. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 16:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

* Thanks for the link. The article has been updated. That's awesome! {{smiley|22}} <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 02:48, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

== Sleep Rape ==

Just thought since you have been editing this page, you might like to know that I would like some input on whether it meets either of two CSD requirements.
You can see them here: [[User_talk:WilyD#SD of "Sleep Rape"|link]]

Thanks for the input,
[[User:gwickwire|gwickwire]] &#124; [[User_talk:gwickwire|Leave a message]] 23:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
:I saw your post there, and went to it. I did nothing but add it to the rape template, and add a wiki-link. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 00:05, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

==Category:Joseph Louis Lagrange==

'''[[:Category:Joseph Louis Lagrange]]''', which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 1#Category:Joseph Louis Lagrange|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

== You may want to comment at WP:AE ==

[[Wikipedia:AE#Dlv999]] involves your editing as well. [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 15:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

== I have asked you a question regarding your recent edits to [[Zoological conspiracy theories (Israel related)]] ==

Here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result_concerning_Dlv999]. Since you clearly hadn't read the arbitration remedies, it seems reasonable to allow you to self-revert your remaining edits. Do you intend to? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 18:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

:Never mind - did it myself, though it might have looked better for you if you'd promptly self-reverted when the problem was first raised. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 18:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
::Minor oversight on my part. Doing several things at once on my computer. And I don't really care what things look like. I wondered why the guy before me added then reverted, it looked like perfectly valid content. Anyway, I'll have to start discussions for each bit, and find reliable sources to back everything up beyond any reasonable doubt I suppose. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 18:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

== ArbCom appeal ==

I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Zoological_conspiracy_theories_.28Israel_related.29 appealed] the restrictions on that article. [[User:Tijfo098|Tijfo098]] ([[User talk:Tijfo098|talk]]) 19:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

== Laroux ==
There's a userspace draft [[User:Lucy Skywalker/Marcel Leroux|here]], if you want to work on it. [[User:WilyD|Wily]]<font color="FF8800">[[User talk:WilyD|D]]</font> 10:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

== Pizza cheese merge discussion ==

Please do not argue with others in the merge discussion. I want to keep it on point. I'm not monitoring your talk page. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">[[User:Jerem43|Jeremy]] <span style="font-size:85%;">([[User talk:Jerem43|blah blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jerem43|I did it!]])</span></span> 09:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
:You make a comment in a section, I'll respond to that comment in that section. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 09:10, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

==sorry==
I accidentally used [[WP:ROLLBACK]] on my phone and selected the wrong page for rollback. [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 10:41, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

== long live the pizza cheese ==

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I've gotta leave that merge discussion alone in the interests of civility, so I'll leave you with my badge!--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 21:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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== October 2012 ==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|attack]] other editors, as you did to [[:Talk:Before Watchmen]]. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|stay cool]] and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npa2 --> <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 22:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
:You ignore my question by accusing me of making a personal attack. Don't dodge the question with nonsense. I've responded at the proper location. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABefore_Watchmen&diff=517280136&oldid=517233054] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 22:23, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
::Oh, I'm gonna keep ignoring your question, here OR there. Besides, an article talk page isn't where you have a dispute with another editor <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 22:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
:::It is when you bring it to that location. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 22:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
::::No it isn't. You're turning that discussion into a [[WP:BATTLE|battleground]], repeating the same practices that have ''thrice'' gotten you blocked before. I don't have to explain to you why I chose to comment in a particular page. EVER. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 03:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::You know what you did, and you know it was wrong. You keep trying to change the subject to something to totally unrelated. In 2009 I was blocked for 24 hours for undoing vandalism and violating the 3 revert rule by mistake. In 2009 I was blocked for a simple mistake on a talk page, for 12 hours, which meant when I logged back in the next morning and saw it, it was over already, too late to protest. The third time I was blocked was earlier this year in something that many administrators in the discussion about agreed was inappropriately done. No possible reason to be bringing that up in this case now, other than to try to distract from the rule you violated. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 08:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Merridew ==

Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=517809582&oldid=517809271 complaint has been noticed] and [[:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Jack Merridew|fixed]].&mdash;[[User:Kww|Kww]]([[User talk:Kww|talk]]) 21:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

== Another Rescue Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 5px solid #8000FF; background-color: #FFFAF0;"
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|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Article Rescue Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 3px solid gray;" | Because you're obviously one of the good guys. btw I'm totally lifting your Wikipedia ad ;-) [[User:Faustus37|Faustus37]] ([[User talk:Faustus37|talk]]) 08:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
|}

== Hello DF... ==

{{Talkback|User talk:Northamerica1000#Your RfA|ts = 10:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)}}

== Your DRV ==

Kudos for having the guts of putting [[List of pedophiles]] for DRV. Your arguments make lots of sense. It's too bad that looks like the mix of BLP paranoia and deletionism trumps everything else again. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 01:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, I [[Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways/Nominations#Dream_Focus|nominated you to receive a t-shirt!]] Keep on the good work. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 20:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
*Dream, I just saw that you took that to DRV, and also commend you for having the balls to do so. When that was on for speedy deletion I had removed the tag and suggested it needed to go to AFD, but it was deleted soon afterwards anyway. See [[User_talk:The_Devil's_Advocate#List_of_pedophiles]]. I am very uncomfortable about any actions we take that appear to provide comfort to pedophiles. How can pedophiles deserve a pass when a [[List of convicted war criminals]] does not? I don't understand how this was speedy material.--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 14:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

== Food for thought ==

When there are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_November_18#List_of_pedophiles that] many people piling up on the other side of an issue, it's useful to contemplate what that means, I have found. It might have been better to let this one go, I think. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 16:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:It means many people will look at a title and not bother thinking things through before making a decision. Or will actually believe some nonsense about Google caching something and it on the internet forever, destroying people's lives? Ridiculous. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
::So I gather you didn't learn anything from this. That's too bad. I make mistakes -- we all do, I guess, except maybe you -- and contemplating them helps me to learn and grow. Oh well. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 23:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I made no mistake in this. I used logic to try to reason with people, while they simply refused to think things through, and thus one more perfectly valid article is lost to Wikipedia this day. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 00:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Well, I kind of resent that comment. I'm logical. I'm intelligent. I think things through. I've thought about this kind of thing for a long time and have a fully formed and internally consistent view the matter. So just maybe there's something else in play here. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 05:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Maybe you are in denial. Others have gone there and agreed with my reasoning. A simple name change would've solved all problems. If its fine as a category, no reason why it wouldn't be as a list. Only those convicted of the crime would be on the list. Google does not store a permanent copy of anything, the cache updated regularly, so that concern ridiculous. And if vandalism ever was an actual problem, semi-protection could be placed there to stop new users from editing it. Please go there to debate these issues on the proper page if you can come up with a logical reason why it'd be a problem. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 06:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== Captain Underpants AFD ==

Because you participated in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain Underpants and the Preposterous Plight of the Purple Potty People]] you might want to participate in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Adventures of Captain Underpants]]. [[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] ([[User talk:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|talk]]) 01:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Indian castes ==

Obviously we disagree about many things, but I have to raise one point with you individually. On the list deletion discussion, you said, No one is realistically going to look at the list, find their caste left out and get offended, or sue." Are you not aware that at least one long term editor in this section was driven away because caste-warriors (that refers to people who come to Wikipedia to glorify their own caste and denigrate others) had his employer contacted and was threatened to the point that it wasn't worth it? Are you aware that a current editor has been the subject of an off-wiki defamation campaign alleging paid editing (with absolutely no evidence)? And are you aware that the same editor has received actual ''death threats'' as a result of his work in this area? People get offended about caste. They get very very offended. In India, they kill each other over caste/tribal related issues. I'm not saying that this is a reason to delete the article, because obviously we rightly carry articles on all sorts of topics that people kill each other about. But the reason I'm raising this is to show you how little you understand about the topic, and that your assertions are painful to those editors who have been deeply involved in it. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 22:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
:Those editing in India have to worry about crazy people over there perhaps, but no one is going to be coming over to America or elsewhere to attack anyone who listed a caste they didn't think should be on the list. And yes, I am aware they have crazy people over there, I seeing a news story this morning about some lunatic of a high caste telling an untouchable that their sons had the same names, and he didn't like that, and then having one of the guy's sons killed for refusing to change their names.[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-15997648] Crazy people threatening someone for writing something they didn't like in a Wikipedia article, has absolutely nothing to do with someone simply editing a list article. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 23:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For exhibiting rational judgement on a certain list which caused considerable overreaction and worse case scenario concerns. ♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. ☠ Blofeld</span>]] 19:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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== Use of Rescue List template in its own TfD ==

Surprise, surprise, I consider it highly inappropriate that you tagged Rescue list for Rescue. You used an ''article'' rescue template on another ''template''. The tag is supposed to be used to incite improvement of articles; but you're just using it to get all the ARS members to vote "keep" just as you did with [[Template:Rescue]] and articles. <small>(PS: go ahead and take me to ANI for all I care. You'll just get a boomerang, and notify all the mops who are upset about ARS being a drama sink that you guys are up to no good)</small> <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 18:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:You are talking even crazier than usual today. I responded to your nonsense elsewhere. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticle_Rescue_Squadron%2FRescue_list&diff=526214878&oldid=526212626] Keep the discussion there or in the ridiculous deletion discussion you started for this matter. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_28#Template:Rescue_list] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::It ain't nonsense, it ain't ridiculous. It's a carbon-copy of a SALTed template; it's being used for the same nefarious purposes as the SALTed template was. You just proved that by using it in the TfD, when the template (and the list) are ''just for articles''. Frankly, with your record, you should be indef blocked for such ridiculousness. And if you think ''I'' should, start the dang ANI thread already. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 19:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Is this going to be one of those things where you just drag things out all over the place for as long as possible? It does not have any "nefarious" purpose, its just the same exact thing all Wikiprojects have, to inform people at AFDs that their Wikiproject was notified about the discussion. And its not the same template. The template deleted was this massive thing, complete with a picture and a paragraph of text, that was placed on the article itself, not the AFD debate. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

== December 2012 ==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Hello. It appears that you have been '''[[WP:Canvassing|canvassing]]'''—leaving messages on biased users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence [[:Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Rescue list]]. While [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly_notices|friendly notices]] are allowed, they should be '''limited''' and '''nonpartisan''' in distribution and should reflect a '''neutral''' point of view. Please do not post notices which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Excessive_cross-posting|indiscriminately cross-posted]], which espouse a certain [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Campaigning|point of view]] or side of a debate, or which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Votestacking|selectively sent]] only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. <!-- Template:uw-canvass --> <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 19:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:Hello! It appears you are as confused as ever. If you nominate a template that a Wikiproject uses for deletion, people in that Wikiproject must be told. Its not canvassing, its common sense. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::Point to the policy that says so (which, FYI, doesn't exist). Until then, I maintain that the template was misused. It's for articles only, not for templates. If you don't like that it's being deleted, whine to some mop about it. Oh, and while your at it, tell yo boy CallawayRox to stop NPAing me. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 20:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm not concerned since I know it won't be deleted. All Wikiprojects have them so we're fine. And why would they write a policy just to tell people like you something so obvious you should automatically know it to begin with? How young are you exactly? I'm guessing between 11 and 14. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

== ANI notice ==

Hello. There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 20:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
*I love how pbp "templated a regular" two times above. There's no finer example of good faith editing, is there?--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 23:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:*He/she did it on my talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tucoxn&diff=525918875&oldid=525918776 too], in response to my listing the template on the ARS list. Rather than debate whether or not what I did was canvasing, I simply deleted the section from my page. Please leave a message in [[User:Tucoxn/sandbox|my sandbox]] if you can inform me that my posting of the template was canvasing or not. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 02:12, 4 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--><small>(I meant to sign that!)</small> - <b>[[User:Tucoxn|<font face="Verdana" color="#522C1B"><font size="+1"><span class="Unicode">&#x0288;</span></font>u</font><font color="#417DC1">coxn</font>]]</b>\<font face="serif"><sup>[[User_talk:Tucoxn|talk]]</sup></font> 20:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

== A Barnstar for You x2000 ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 3px solid gray;" | For [[Chicken Kiev speech]] I love you Dream. In a saner, kinder, wikipedia world you would be a bureacrat. [[User:Spoildead|Spoildead]] ([[User talk:Spoildead|talk]]) 15:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
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:Glad I could help. I'm just added a bit more now. Lot of Highbeam results to look through. If people took time to look for sources before trying to delete something, the Wikipedia would be in a much better condition. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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|align=center style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''Article Rescue Sqaudron Arbitror'''
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This award signifies that Mr. Dream Focus is the very first

<big>'''[[WP:ARS|Article Rescue Sqaudron]] Arbitror '''</big>

Congratulations.

<small>[[User:Spoildead|Spoildead]] 16:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)</small>
|}

* I totally second this. In a sane world, Dream would have a permanent seat on Arbcom, along with the Colonel, Milowent and a few others. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 17:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
** Agree wholeheartedly. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 17:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
***awarded arbcom status to two mentioned editors. what the hell! [[User:Spoildead|Spoildead]] ([[User talk:Spoildead|talk]]) 21:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
==Chicken Kiev speech ==
RE: [[Chicken Kiev speech]]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chicken_Kiev_speech&diff=prev&oldid=526398391]

On the cusp of another award to added to your sizeable collection of awards.

Thank you man. [[User:Spoildead|Spoildead]] ([[User talk:Spoildead|talk]]) 21:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

==ARS==
Just a quick note to express my appreciation on your comments regarding what I view as a [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_28#Template:Rescue_list|coordinated]] [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron/Rescue list (2nd nomination)|attack on ARS]]. Keep it up. [[User:Faustus37|Faustus37]] ([[User talk:Faustus37|talk]]) 08:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:As opposed to the more common coordinated attack ''by'' ARS? What nonsense this entire palaver is. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 15:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
::There are no coordinated attacks. You don't see anyone joining in some AFDs tagged for rescue, and when someone does join its never that many people, and they don't always say to keep things either. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== Reviewer ==

Hi Dream Focus. Would you like me to make you a [[WP:REVIEWER|reviewer]]? I remember thinking that it was a shame you weren't a reviewer when I put the [[Duck Dynasty]] article under pending changes protection, but for some reason I never did anything about it then. Just say the word, and I'll flip the reviewer switch for you so that you can review IP edits to that article yourself. Let me know what you think. Best regards — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 14:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, that'd be great, thanks. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
::Ok, you are now a reviewer. :) Here's the blurb:

[[File:Wikipedia Reviewer.svg|right|130px]]
Hello. Your account has been granted the "<tt>reviewer<tt>" userright, allowing you to [[WP:RVW|review other users' edits]] on certain flagged pages. The list of articles awaiting review is located at [[Special:PendingChanges]]. A full list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on will be at [[Special:StablePages]].

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

''See also:''
*[[Wikipedia:Reviewing]], the guideline on reviewing
*[[Wikipedia:Pending changes]], the summary of the use of pending changes
*[[Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection]], the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.
— '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 15:36, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


== WP:Routine ==

Please explain to me what [[WP:Routine]] means, and whether it means that "routine" coverage of local companies by major daily newspapers is not coverage qualifying as independent reliable sources. In other words, is coverage by the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal the standard, and daily newspapers or particular city business journals are not independent reliable sources? You will easily guess what I am annoyed by in asking you about the standard. --[[User:Dthomsen8|DThomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 13:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
:Routine coverage is only things like restaurant reviews in places where they review every single one. Of course if they gave it praise that stood out from all others, that'd be more than just routine. Saying a new business opened in town and talking about them isn't really routine, since they don't do that all the time. A small town might mention a new local ice cream shop next to the drug store in their local paper, and that'd just be routine. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 14:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
::So, are the sources I provide at [[Talk:Innovation Works#Sources]] to be considered reliable independent sources, or merely routine coverage and not reliable or independent? To dismiss the daily newspaper articles as routine coverage, and the business journal articles as based on press releases, means that most local or regional businesses have no coverage on which to base an article. --[[User:Dthomsen8|DThomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 13:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:::I have just commented in that AFD. Bizjournal is just press releases, so don't bother listing them, they not a reliable source for notability establishing anyway. They can still be used to get information to put in the article itself though, provided you mention the company announced so and so, or the information is not in doubt anyway at all. Anyway, that is not routine coverage. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 13:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chicken_Kiev_speech|ts=06:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)}}
<span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">'''&tilde;[[User:Danjel|danjel]]'''&nbsp;[&nbsp;[[User_talk:Danjel|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Danjel|contribs]]&nbsp;]</span> 06:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Article ==

Hi there,

I was wondering if you are an administrator? If you are do you know how I can get the deletion case closed on an article I created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amirite

Thanks and apologies for bothering you,

Philip <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Craddock1|Craddock1]] ([[User talk:Craddock1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Craddock1|contribs]]) 00:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Unfortunately for political reasons, they'd never let me become an administrator. The deletion discussion will close after 7 days have passed, and will most certainly end in KEEP. It was a bad nomination by an editor who unfortunately does that quite a lot at times. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 00:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey - ok thanks:)

I saw the comment you said about the tech entrepreneur's week -i definitely saw that it came as a top 3 winner when looking for resources but I can't seem to find the link anymore - I found this email so you can ask them for proof: izzyfox@gmail.com but I'm 100% sure they came as a top 3 winner{{unsigned|Craddock1}}

== You have mail! ==

{{YGM}}
Regarding a t-shirt nomination :) [[User:Jalexander|Jalexander]]--[[Wikimedia Foundation|WMF]] 02:43, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
:Cool! I won a t-shirt. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 02:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Villains in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers]] ==

What's the proper period of time to wait on admin's response before going to DRV?—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryulong</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">琉竜</font>]]) 04:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Turns out it's 3 hours.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryulong</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">琉竜</font>]]) 07:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

==Asgardian_appeal==
[[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#BASC:_Asgardian_appeal]]. As you were involved in edit wars with Asgardian you may be interested in commenting. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 00:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cosmo (restaurant)]] ==

I don't suppose you fancy speedy closing this, do you? [[User:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F">'''Ritchie333'''</font>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F"><sup>(talk)</sup></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F"><sup>(cont)</sup></font>]] 10:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:Just withdraw your nomination and close it yourself. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 12:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

== Fiona Apple song ==

Greetings! [[User:Another Believer|Another Believer]] and I are currently working to get [[List of songs recorded by Fiona Apple]] to FL status. I noticed that you had [[User:Dream Focus/drafts/Anything We Want|created a draft of "Anything We Want"]] a while back. Were you planning on expanding and moving this any time soon? Just wondering, as I would like to dedicate some time to creating articles for all of Apple's singles, and yours would be one less one I had to worry about. Warm regards, '''[[User:Ruby2010|<font color="003B48" size="2px">Ruby</font>]]''' [[User talk:Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2010/</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2013</font>]] 03:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
:I could only find one reliable sources covering the song, and if you don't have at least two it gets deleted. So I gave up working on it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah it can be tricky finding the right citations! I've [http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/8853-fiona-apple/ found] [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/fiona-apple-jimmy-fallon-anything-we-want_n_1608428.html a few] [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20603579,00.html sources] that talk about the song. Here's a few more [http://music-mix.ew.com/2012/06/19/fiona-apple-jimmy-fallon-meltdown/][http://www.billboard.com/articles/review/1066945/fiona-apples-the-idler-wheel-track-by-track-review]. It will probably be a while until I'm able to really dedicate lots of time to editing some of her singles. If it reaches the point where I have time to edit "Anything We Want", would you mind if I edited in your userspace (assuming you haven't expanded/moved it before then)? '''[[User:Ruby2010|<font color="003B48" size="2px">Ruby</font>]]''' [[User talk:Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2010/</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2013</font>]] 04:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I don't mind. I'll be glad if the draft becomes a proper article one day. Once it gets to a decent enough level, just click the Move tab and put it in mainspace. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 04:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
::::K, sounds good. Again, it'll probably be a while, but I'll let you know when the time comes. Thanks, '''[[User:Ruby2010|<font color="003B48" size="2px">Ruby</font>]]''' [[User talk:Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2010/</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Ruby2010|<font color="maroon " size="2px">2013</font>]] 04:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

== Arbitration notification ==

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Article Rescue Squadron]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration]];
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide]].

Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice -->--[[User:The Devil's Advocate|<font color="vermillion">'''The Devil's Advocate'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:The Devil's Advocate|<font color="burntorange">tlk.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Devil's Advocate|<font color="red">cntrb.</font>]]</sub> 22:10, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
:We already did this at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron/Rescue_list_%282nd_nomination%29] last month, and elsewhere as you well know. [[WP:STICK]] [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 00:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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== Merry Christmas! ==
== Deletionists abound ==


Looks like Coretheapple is moving for deletion on the List of Renaissance article too. [[User:Bhalluka|Bhalluka]] ([[User talk:Bhalluka|talk]]) 01:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
[[File:Irishtown Nature Park Christmas (27441277109).jpg|left|thumb|Merry Christmas Dream! [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 19:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)]]
:You doubled the size of that article with just all the references alone for one person. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Renaissance_men&diff=536688582&oldid=536529159] You don't need that many references to prove the information. [[List of Renaissance men]] does seem to be redundant to the list of polymath article. What's the difference? [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:: I just updated the polymath list adding the Renaissance men and women that were missing. So the [[List of Renaissance men]] also seems redundant to me too. Combining the articles would put everything in one place. With similar meanings on polymath and renaissance man the title "People called polymath and or Renaissance men" would also make sense. For those screaming about people like Steve Jobs being on the same list as Da Vinci, adding another section underneath the polymath list for the few "universal geniuses" solves it. [[User:Bhalluka|Bhalluka]] ([[User talk:Bhalluka|talk]]) 15:28, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Dream Focus Talk Page

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Never hesitate to say whats on your mind. I always try my best to understand others.

Does that mean....

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Hey there Dream Focus, I recently nominated the article for Kelly Metzger for deletion, in which you pointed out why it should stay. I can't argue, so I hope the article stays now haha. Now, what I wanted to tell you was,

Firstly, I only nominated the article for deletion because, earlier I had made an article on Jillian Michaels, a voice actress who had voiced Lloyd in Ninjago, (Metzger voiced Nya in Ninjago) but the article got deleted. Could you check the discussion, because no one brought up what you brought up. Luckily, I had saved the draft of the article before I published it. Could you check it out and see whether its okay and I can publish it again?

Also, since I'm leaving a message for you, I'm planning on submitting an application to become a reviewer on Wikipedia. Could you check my stats (xtools, pages made, logs, afd, contributions) and tell me if you think my work and experience could get my application to be a reviewer accepted? Awaiting your response, MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether people follow the rules or not, depends on whatever random people show up to comment. Perfectly valid articles get deleted all the time. Even if an article is saved, the same people can just keep trying until they get what they want. I mass exported a lot of articles to https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page years ago to save them. You can post your article there and it'll be safe. As more things are deleted from Wikipedia, more people just look to the fandoms to find what they are looking for. Dream Focus 14:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

well that's a relief

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I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things but I wouldn't have expected that sort of thing from you and I'm relieved to see it was apparently just an error. List of kosher restaurants is actually a much better list article. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on one of the links at list of kosher supermarkets, went to that article, then looked it over and clicked on the wrong category there by mistake. Then I added things from that category by accident. Dream Focus 06:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May music

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story · music · places

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). Thank you, inclusionist who is almost always right, for your "keep" for the baritone's soprano colleague! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really interested in this sort of thing so don't send me any more Today's Story things. Dream Focus 04:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of 1794 in Ukraine for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 1794 in Ukraine is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1794 in Ukraine until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Martintalk 21:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

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Hi @Dream Focus! Looks like you created The War on Children in February. There's a merge discussion here that you may want to participate in: Talk:The_War_on_Children#Proposed merge of Robby Starbuck with The War on Children. Dreamyshade (talk) 17:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Ballerina Farm for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ballerina Farm is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ballerina Farm until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Flangalanger (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message

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"Andrew Gower (programmer)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas Dream! FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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