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== Species of Lichen == |
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According to the article, "There are more than 200 species of lichens" in Antarctica. But lichens are composed of two species, on plant and one fungus. SO I'm not sure what is meant here. Please advise. [[Special:Contributions/98.185.236.199|98.185.236.199]] ([[User talk:98.185.236.199|talk]]) 05:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Lichens are composite organisms consisting of a fungus and often a plant such as green algae. There are over 200 of these types of composite organisms living in Antarctica. [[User:AerobicFox|AerobicFox]] ([[User talk:AerobicFox|talk]]) 06:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Antarctic Micronational Union edit request== |
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http://www.columbusmagazine.nl/special/2685/10_the_grand_duchy_of_westarctica_west-antarctica.html |
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According to this article there is a micronational union of Antarctic nations. I think it could be worth putting a note about them in the politics section or under claims |
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their microwikipedia page is http://www.microwiki.org.uk/index.php?title=AMU |
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[[User:Vitcash|Vitcash]] ([[User talk:Vitcash|talk]]) 19:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:[[Micronation]]s are [[WP:UNDUE|not relevant or important enough]] to include in this article, even in the politics or territorial claims article. They hold absolutely no relevance in the real world running of most areas, an issue that is probably particularly appropriate to antarctica. Perhaps on the [[List of micronations]] page (which currently only has one) a mention could be made. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|Chipmunkdavis]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC) |
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Surely it is the user community that decides what is relevant and what is not, how can you say that this is an unimportant viewpoint of a minority? there are literally thousands of these people around the globe involved in this, and you choose to write large articles about small groups with only dozens of members? |
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Respectfully, what you define as 'important enough' is clearly a biased viewpoint, this is a large society of people creating certain wonders, to deny them even a paragraph is denying their right to be regarded as good people. It's not like they asked you to write a whole article on the topic, which has been done several times on this site on similar micronational substances. Dont tell me that this is not important, because if i chose to reject everything that i found 'unimportant', wikipedia would be a very small site. Reconsider your viewpoint, because people will be interested in this subject and visit your site to learn about them. |
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--[[User:BritannianVanguard|BritannianVanguard]] ([[User talk:BritannianVanguard|talk]]) 18:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:None of this makes micronations relevant here as per Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. See [[WP:UNDUE]]. If people want to know about micronations, they are perfectly welcome to go to the articles [[micronation]] or [[List of micronations]]. ''[[User:Pfainuk|Pfainuk]]'' <small>''[[User Talk:Pfainuk|talk]]''</small> 20:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:Maybe if you didn't delete the pages that micronations create then we would create pages as you suggest we do. But until that happens it is pretty pointless for us to do work only to have it deleted. [[Special:Contributions/94.7.209.243|94.7.209.243]] ([[User talk:94.7.209.243|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC) |
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::If you wish to see coverage in a Wiki format of subjects that do not meet Wikipedia's standards of notability, neutrality or verifiability, I suggest you try [[Wikia]]. Indeed, I notice that [http://www.microwiki.org.uk/ such a Wiki] already exists there. ''[[User:Pfainuk|Pfainuk]]'' <small>''[[User Talk:Pfainuk|talk]]''</small> 22:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC) |
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shoudent the microwiki be on here. its useful to learn more stuff and it would help alot with more learning about it. i agree with adding the micro wiki. |
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== Terrestrial vertebrates == |
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The "Fauna" section says "Few terrestrial vertebrates live in Antarctica", implying that some do, but these are never identified. In fact, it's unclear exactly what "terrestrial" and "purely terrestrial" (a term used later apparently in contrast) are supposed to mean, especially as regards birds. The website to which the opening statement is sourced says: |
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:"Few terrestrial vertebrates are resident in Antarctica and those which do occur are limited to sub-Antarctic islands. These include a single endemic insectivorous passerine (the South Georgia Pipit (Anthus antarcticus)) and freshwater ducks on South Georgia and/or Kerguelen." |
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This seems to be extending the scope of "Antarctica" to include places like South Georgia, whereas one gets the distinct impression that this article is describing the fauna of ''continental'' Antarctica. |
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So, in summary, several things need doing here: |
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*Define "terrestrial" and "purely terrestrial" |
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*Define "Antarctica" |
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*Enumerate the terrestrial vertebrates, if any. |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.160.208.20|86.160.208.20]] ([[User talk:86.160.208.20|talk]]) 03:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request from 77.188.67.244, 3 April 2011 == |
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Mesozoic era (250–65 Ma) |
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[...] In Eastern Antarctica, the seed fern became established, and large amounts of sandstone and shale were laid down at this time. [...] |
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Mesozoic era (250–65 Ma) |
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[...] In Eastern Antarctica, the seed ferns of the Glossopteris flora became established, and large amounts of sandstone and shale were laid down at this time. [...] |
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SOURCE: See e.g. the Wikipedia lemma on Glossopteris. |
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[[Special:Contributions/77.188.67.244|77.188.67.244]] ([[User talk:77.188.67.244|talk]]) 14:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC) |
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{{ESp|rs}} (Please see [[WP:RS]]; Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources.) If you do so, please re-open this request. — [[User:UncleBubba|<b style="color:black">Uncl</b><b style="color:darkred">eBubba</b>]] <b><sup>( [[User talk:UncleBubba|T]] [[Special:Emailuser/UncleBubba|@]] [[Special:Contributions/UncleBubba|C]] )</sup></b> 22:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC) |
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== Neogene forests == |
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Hi. The paragraph on forests occurring within a short distance of the South Pole roughly 3 million years ago is backed up by three citations. However, there are a few problems in citing this claim: |
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*The first reference is from 1986, and highlights some uncertainty in the radiometric dating of the fossil forest, saying that it could be older than a few million years. It also mentions another process, that open water could have carried other fossil traces to mountains that are now buried under ice. The significance was not known, so it needs to be backed up by later sources that either directly mention this initial study or directly refer to the Neogene period. |
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*The second citation from Discovery News discusses the [[Permian]] period. I could not find any reference to the Neogene or the Webb discovery, and one major fossil location is on the coastline of the Ross Sea. |
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*The third one shows information on a wide selection of fossils, but the only mention of plant fossils refers to either the Antarctic Peninsula or fossils laid down during the Mesozoic on West Antarctica. There is still no mention of more recent forests near the South Pole. |
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I'm not suggesting this information be removed, just so that it is corrected and placed into other time periods listed in the article on the geologic history if needed. It would help to cite more scientific journals or science news websites following up on the Neogene forest discoveries. I also suggest clarifying what the fossils actually ''are''. Thanks. ~<font color="blue">[[User:AstroHurricane001|AH1]]</font> <sup>(''[[User_talk:AstroHurricane001|discuss]]!'')</sup> 02:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
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== Not coldest place on Earth == |
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That title belongs to the mesopause. Antarctica is the coldest place on the surface of the earth. [[User:Robopologist|Robopologist]] ([[User talk:Robopologist|talk]]) 21:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:A technically correct but unhelpful statement. In common usage by most people "''coldest place''" means on the surface. If we applied your kind of definition, we could say that the hottest place in my country is 3,000km below the surface. I don't think we need to move away from common usage on this one. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 21:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
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== Note on facts used and References not working == |
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1. The average thickness of ice in Antarctica including ice shelves is 1958m. (Please Cut at least 1.6 km thick) Source: http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_antarctica/teacher_resources/resources/factsheets/index.php |
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2. The Exact Area is not 14 Million but 13,829,430km2 Danny shimel |
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For reference in size: Around 58 times the size of the UK, or 1.4 times the size of the USA, or area of India and China combined.(Source: as above) |
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3. The reference for the amount of precipitation (number 6) is not correct. |
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4. To date 48 countries have signed the treaty, this includes 28 countries which have set up their research stations in Antarctica and are members of the Council of Managers of National Antarctic Programs(COMNAP) and 20 others. Source: http://www.ats.aq/devAS/ats_parties.aspx?lang=e |
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5. In two short words the main aim of the treaty is to promote '''Peace and Science''' without damaging the environment. |
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6. For number of scientists please mention “around 5000 during the summer and around 1000 during the winter" |
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7. In the " Geography" section it says " Antarctica occupies more than 14 Million...." False, as reported area is less than that. See point 2. |
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[[User:Nathanian Palmer|Nathanian Palmer]] ([[User talk:Nathanian Palmer|talk]]) 14:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC) |
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== Date Amundsen and Scott reached the South Pole == |
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I've seen both December 14 and 15, 1911 for Amundsen and January 17/18, 1912 for Scott. |
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Is the difference based on the time it would have been in their actual homelands of Norway and Great Britain, perhaps? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zz pot|Zz pot]] ([[User talk:Zz pot|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zz pot|contribs]]) 01:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The sign at the pole commemorating these events have Dec 14, and January 17. I'm not sure about the other dates. The south pole doesn't really have a time zone. The base now follows NZ time mostly because its convenient for logistics, but when you are standing at the south pole you are technically in all time zones, depending, I suppose where you put your feet. [[User:Warsky|Warsky]] ([[User talk:Warsky|talk]]) 04:04, 3 November 2011 (UTC) |
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== Antarctic Circumpolar Current == |
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There's an interesting research on the impact of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC) on Antarctic glaciation published in ''[[Science (magazine)|Science]]'' on May 27. [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6033/1076.abstract Here's the abstract.] Regards, [[User:Cinosaur|Cinosaur]] ([[User talk:Cinosaur|talk]]) 08:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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==The first-human-born rubbish== |
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This desinformational trivia is reoccurring in diverse articles: |
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:''first child born in the southern polar region [''here and ''Antarctic'' there''] was Norwegian girl [[Solveig Gunbjørg Jacobsen]], born'' |
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She was born in Grytviken, South Georgia, part of South America. This factoid is just annoying trivia, presenting a record holder that is not a record holder. Not encyclopedic! [[User:Rursus|Rursus]] dixit. ([[User talk:Rursus|<span style="color: red; background: #FFFF80"><sup>m</sup><u>bork<sup>3</sup></u></span>]]!) 16:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC) |
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well then was, if its annoying trivia, then can you say who's the real first person? |
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plahunter101 3:22 pm |
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== Work needed == |
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Hello everyone! This article currently appears near the top of the [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListing.php?project=Featured_articles&sort=Count cleanup listing] for featured articles, with several cleanup tags. Cleanup work needs to be completed on this article, or a [[WP:FAR|featured article review]] may be in order. Please contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. Thank you! [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 19:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC) |
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:I see that some work has been done in cleaning up the article since my post above. However, there are still several tags and other issues that need attention - is anyone willing to work on these outside the remit of FAR? Besides the citation needed and dubious/discuss tags, as well as three dead link tags, I see several areas where statistics (populations, snowfall, etc.) are given without references, plus references missing information (correct titles, publishers, etc), and an extensive see also section that should probably be trimmed and have as many links as possible incorporated into the article text. Thanks, [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 19:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== Eastern/Western Antartica == |
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In the [[Antarctica#Climate|Climate]] section, the text refers to Eastern and Western Antarctica. Referring to the East and the West of Antarctica should be used to clarify location, but what Eastern and Western Antarctica are is unclear. Could someone who knows what this means clarify. Thanks, '''''[[User:Fltyingpig|<span style="background-color:#D4F2CE;color:green;">pluma</span>]]''''' [[User talk:fltyingpig|<span style="font-family: Webdings; font-size: 12pt">Ø</span>]] 02:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC). |
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:The best place to find that sort of thing out is by looking at the Geography section. Do you find anything unclear about the 2nd paragraph there? [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 05:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== British explorer Ernest Shackleton was the first to reach the magnetic South Pole in 1907, and the geographic south pole was first reached in 1911 by Norwegian explorers. == |
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== Photo of south pole not actual south pole == |
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The claim that Ernest Shackleton was the first to reach the magnetic South Pole is not correct. As can be seen in the Wikipedia article "Magnetic South Pole" the three people who were the 'first' were members of Shackleton's Nimrod Expedition (the 'Northern Party'). Also the date is wrong. The party reached their estimated position of the magnetic pole on 16 January 1909 (easy to find this by various articles online). While the Nimrod expedition is usually referred to as 1907-1909 (likely choice of 1907 date) the ship left the UK in 1907 and did not leave New Zealand for the Antarctic until January 1908. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Antipodenz|Antipodenz]] ([[User talk:Antipodenz#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Antipodenz|contribs]]) 21:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The photo presented under the "Population" section claiming to be the South Pole, is actually only the ceremonial South Pole, used largely for photo-ops. The actual south pole is a several hundred feet away and moves about 30' per year (well, the pole doesn't move, the ice sheet does). There is a separate marker, set out each year (and different each year), with the current position of the South Pole. I would be glad to provide photos from early 2000's of these markers, however, as a new user I cannot modify this semi-protected article. |
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::Feel free to correct the body of the article with a good cite and the lead if you can do so succinctly. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 11:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Hi Antipodenz. You're absolutely right, an embarrasing mistake from my side. I tried to summarise the body, but didn't read in enough detail. [[User:Femkemilene|Femke]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 15:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Ernest Shackleton was not British. He was born in Co. Kildare, Ireland and spent the first 10 years of his life there. He is reported to have said many times: "I am an Irishman". <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.43.50.34|64.43.50.34]] ([[User talk:64.43.50.34#top|talk]]) 13:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[User:Warsky|Warsky]] ([[User talk:Warsky|talk]]) 03:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, [[South Pole]] describes it better than this article. I amended the caption. Feel free to suggest further improvement. You'll need 4 days and 10 edits after registration to edit semiprotected articles. [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 03:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC) |
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Unrelated, despite an existing WP link to "South Pole" in the article's second sentence, I also linked this sentence's "geographic south pole" simply for clarity. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gprobins|Gprobins]] ([[User talk:Gprobins#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gprobins|contribs]]) 13:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Edit request from , 4 November 2011 == |
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::Shakleton was [[Anglo-Irish]], making him British. It is common to assign an expedition's success to the leader of the expedition, irrespective of whether he was actually the 'first' to do something (eg Magellen). It isn't always the case though, (eg Hilary). [[User:Roger 8 Roger|Roger 8 Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger 8 Roger|talk]]) 01:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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In the first sentence of the history section, the article describes the "northern lands of Europe, Asia and North Africa." |
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"North Africa" should instead be "North America". |
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[[Special:Contributions/66.116.20.134|66.116.20.134]] ([[User talk:66.116.20.134|talk]]) 02:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, no time to think, and just a quick comment - was America known at the time relevant to that sentence? [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 03:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::Not done, per Materialscientist. Europe, Asia and North Africa were the entire "known" world at the time - though the sentence is a little Eurocentric. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request: Antarctica in popular media== |
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I hope there is a section or a page about Antarctica in popular media and summerize how fictions, adventure stories, science fictions, movies and documentary see Antarctica.[[Special:Contributions/111.251.230.222|111.251.230.222]] ([[User talk:111.251.230.222|talk]]) 02:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Australia's Antarctic territory is the largest one. Britain's Antarctic territory is around 3rd largest. (2nd largest is New Zealand) |
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==Suggest adding text about National Research Council report== |
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Hi, I'd like to add some text about a 2011 National Research Council report that identifies key research directions for Antarctica and the Southern Ocean over the next two decades. |
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[[File:Antarctica, territorial claims.svg|400px]] |
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:A 2011 report from the United States National Research Council identifies key questions that will drive scientific research in Antarctica and the Southern Ocean over the next 10 to 20 years.<ref>http://www.dels.nas.edu/Report/Future-Science-Opportunities-Antarctica/13169</ref> The report presents opportunities to be leveraged to sustain and improve the U.S. Antarctic Program of the National Science Foundation (NSF), which holds the primary responsibility for supporting U.S. research in Antarctica and the Southern Ocean. The report's authoring committee identified key scientific questions that fall within two broad themes: those related to global change, and those related to fundamental discoveries.<ref>http://www.dels.nas.edu/Materials/Report-In-Brief/4317-Antarctica</ref> In addition, the Committee identified several opportunities to broadly advance Antarctic and Southern Ocean research in the process of answering these questions. The development of a large-scale observing network and a new generation of models has the potential to expand scientific understanding and ensure the continuing success of research in the Antarctic region, the report found. <ref>http://www.dels.nas.edu/Materials/Report-In-Brief/4317-Antarctica</ref> |
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[[User:IPs are people too|IPs are people too]] [[User talk:IPs are people too|🇺🇸🦅]] 21:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Enhancing Research and Climate Change section == |
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== Population numbers == |
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Hi, |
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{{contradict}} |
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We are a group of college students and are interested in editing this article. Our main objective to enhance the Research section in this article. We specifically want to add more recent and relevant research findings and strategic missions. It is known that Antartica is a scientific preserve due to its immense significance in projecting climate and environment systems. We also want to attribute research expeditions and findings to climate change indicators found in the region by contributing to the Climate Change section as well. |
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There are a number of contradictory population claims made in various articles about Antarctica: |
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We are open to receive any feedback or comments on our proposal! |
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* The article [[Chilean Antarctic Territory]] claims a population of 130, including a permanent civilian settlement, [[Villa Las Estrellas]], population 114. [[Esperanza Base]] claims to be the only other civilian settlement in Antarctica. |
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* The article [[Continent]] lists Villa Las Estrellas as the largest settlement in Antarctica, but lists a population of 0 for the continent. |
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* [[Demographics of Antarctica]] says there are no indigenous inhabitants, but lists [[McMurdo Station]] as the largest settlement (summer population 1200). |
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* [[Colonization of Antarctica]] claims that no families live permanently on the continent. |
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* [[Research stations in Antarctica]] has unreferenced population numbers that don't match [[Demographics of Antarctica]]. |
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'''Group members:''' |
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-- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 00:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Jenna Chuong (chuon007) [[User:Chuon007|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chuon007]] |
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== Only cold-adapted organisms survive there, == |
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Dhondup Dolma (dolma012) [[User:Ddolma012|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ddolma012]] |
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"Only cold-adapted organisms survive there..." why does't this include humans? Humans survive there too. [[Special:Contributions/203.99.208.4|203.99.208.4]] ([[User talk:203.99.208.4|talk]]) 06:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Junyuan Wang (wang9747) [[User:Juuyuau|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Juuyuau]] [[User:Ddolma012|Ddolma012]] ([[User talk:Ddolma012|talk]]) 20:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hello [[User:Ddolma012|Ddolma012]], thank you for your interest in the article and improving it. This is a well-developed article, but at a glance I can see how the Research section could be improved. You might want to also contribute to sub articles like [[Research stations in Antarctica]]. Note that the Climate change section in this article is an excerpt. Perhaps not best practice, but in any case you cannot edit it here, you would have to edit [[Climate change in Antarctica]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Even more importantly, what's the point of that statement of the bleeding obvious at all? It's like saying that only organisms adapted to desert environments survive in the Sahara. We should be above than that sort of writing. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 22:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::Hi, |
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::We truly appreciate your feedback. We have drafted this paragraph related to current strategic plans released by scientific orgs highlighting the prominence of climate and environmental systems research in Antarctica: |
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::Major scientific organizations in Antarctica have released Strategy and Action Plans focused on advancing national interests and objectives in Antarctica, supporting cutting-edge research to understand the interactions between the Antarctic region and climate systems. The British Antarctic Survey (BAS) released a 10-year (2023 - 2033) strategy report to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to focus on creating sustainable living on Earth. Environmental sustainability is named as one of the top focus areas by the BAS strategy, highlighting the main challenge and priority to "embed environmental sustainability into everything we do." In 2022, the Australian Antarctic Program (AAP) released a new Strategy and 20-year Action Plan (2022 - 2036) to modernize its Antarctic program. The global climate system was highlighted as one of the main priorities that will be supported and studied through the AAP Strategy Plan. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the vital role of Antarctica and the Southern Ocean in climate and weather to improve current knowledge and inform management responses. In 2021, the United States Antarctic Program (USAP) released a Midterm Assessment on the 2015 Strategic Vision for Antarctic and Southern Ocean Research, stressing the prominent role of the Southern Ocean in the global carbon cycle and sea level rise. The USAP outlines the Changing Antarctic Ice Sheets Initiative as a top priority to enhance understanding of why ice sheets are changing now, and how they will change in the future. |
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::https://www.bas.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/2239182604BAS-Strategy-2024-2034-1.pdf |
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::https://www.antarctica.gov.au/site/assets/files/53908/australian-antarctic-science-strategic-plan.pdf |
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::https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/26338/chapter/1#vii |
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::Please let us know if this is a feasible paragraph for the research section. We are hoping to learn more about editing on Wikipedia and hopefully be able to contribute to this article. |
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::Thanks! [[User:Ddolma012|Ddolma012]] ([[User talk:Ddolma012|talk]]) 03:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There are a few resources regarding Wikipedia editing, but perhaps it is starting noting that Wikipedia is written as a tertiary source, and leans more towards reflecting the writing of secondary sources than on drawing new conclusions from primary sources (see [[WP:NOR]] for more). Thus, it would be better to have a source about the SAPs, rather than working directly from the SAPs. Another note related to what I said above is that Wikipedia articles are written in [[WP:Summary style]], so not everything about Antarctica should be on this page, just as not everything about the Earth can be on [[Earth]], not all data relating to climate change can be on [[Climate change]], and not all History can be in [[History]]. Detailed information may better fit on more specific pages, such as those I mentioned above. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi, It's Junyuan here. I plan to propose a summary paragraph that focuses on the research about Antarctica's Ice Sheet. Here is the proposed paragraph, welcome for any advice: |
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== UK Antarctic survey vessel == |
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:[[Antarctic ice sheet|Antarctica's ice sheets]] are a central focus of contemporary climate research due to urgent questions about their stability and reaction to global warming. [[Satellite |Satellite technology]] enables researchers to study the ice sheets both through [[Research stations in Antarctica|on-site fieldwork]] and [[Remote sensing in geology|remote sensing]], facilitating detailed analyses of ice dynamics to predict future changes in a warming world. The INStabilities & Thresholds in ANTarctica (INSTANT) Scientific Research Programme proposes three research themes, investigating the complex interactions between the [[atmosphere]], [[ocean]], and solid Earth in [[Antarctica]]. Its aims include improving the understanding and predictions of these processes to aid decision makers in risk assessment, management, and mitigation related to [[Climate change in Antarctica|Antarctic climate change]]. The Australian-led ICECAP project utilized advanced aerogeophysical techniques to map deep [[oceanic basin|subglacial basins]] and [[Channel (geography)|channels]] that connect the ice sheet to the ocean. This mapping improves predictions of ice sheet stability, the impacts of climate change on the ice sheets, and their potential contributions to [[Sea level rise|global sea level rise]]. |
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I'm new to this, but I wish to point out that HMS Endurance (with pic and link from main article as of today, 1st Sep 2012), went out of service in 2008, following a flooding incident. Replacement is HMS Protector (source - http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/The-Fleet/Ships/Patrol-and-Minehunters/Ice-Patrol-and-Survey-Ships/HMS-Protector) |
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:References: |
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:[[Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research]]: https://scar.org/science/research-programmes/instant |
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:[[Australian Antarctic Division|Australian Antarctic Program]]: https://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/weather-and-climate/climate-change/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise/ |
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:Antartica and Southern Ocean Coalition: https://www.asoc.org/learn/climate-science-in-antarctica/ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Juuyuau|Juuyuau]] ([[User talk:Juuyuau#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Juuyuau|contribs]]) 17:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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== [[:File:Antarctica Without Ice Sheet.png]] == |
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should be added to Article, but the article on protection [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:It looks to me like the copyright you asserted when you uploaded the file to Commons is not compatible with the copyright on the original image. It's a tricky question, though -- that's a very unusual copyright. [[User:Looie496|Looie496]] ([[User talk:Looie496|talk]]) 15:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:* http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/File:Antarctica_Without_Ice_Sheet_png - "Academic and Non-commercial Use. This image may be used freely in any academic work where the author(s) do not receive a fee for their efforts and/or in any non-commercial work, provided that in either case these conditions are met: * You acknowledge the author of this image and Global Warming Art alongside the image. The recommended format is "Image created by Robert A. Rohde / Global Warming Art", but this may be varied to conform with a publication's style. * If and where practical, you also include a link and/or reference to this specific description page: http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/File:Antarctica_Without_Ice_Sheet_png. Such references may appear either alongside the image, or in a separate section where other source material is acknowledged. Qualified academic and non-commercial projects may also be eligible to receive higher resolution and/or vector graphics forms of this image upon request.", "Free Content Use (GFDL / CC-BY-SA). This image (or modified versions of it) may be used in any work where the publication as a whole is released under one of the following free content, copyleft licenses: * The GNU Free Documentation License Version 1.2 or Later.* The Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License Version 2.5 or Later.Where applicable, these rights include some forms of commercial use; however, the provisions on redistribution are such that these licenses not intended for most commercial projects." [[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 04:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC) |
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: If a person wants to make their own map of an ice free Antarctica, the instructions and a link to the data for doing it with ArcGIS can be found in [http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/371c/Labs/GIS_Workshop/Spatial_Analysis_An_Antarctic_Example.htm Spatial Analysis -An Antarctic Example (for ArcGIS 9.x)] by Department of Geological Sciences, Jackson School of Geosciences, The University of Texas at Austin.[[User:Paul H.|Paul H.]] ([[User talk:Paul H.|talk]]) 19:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Edit request on 26 January 2013 == |
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Add to Research Section: |
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Major scientific organizations in Antarctica have released Strategy and Action Plans focused on advancing national interests and objectives in Antarctica, supporting cutting-edge research to understand the interactions between the Antarctic region and climate systems. The British Antarctic Survey (BAS) released a 10-year (2023 - 2033) strategy report to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to focus on creating sustainable living on Earth. Environmental sustainability is named as one of the top focus areas by the BAS strategy, highlighting the main challenge and priority to "embed environmental sustainability into everything we do." In 2022, the Australian Antarctic Program (AAP) released a new Strategy and 20-year Action Plan (2022 - 2036) to modernize its Antarctic program. The global climate system was highlighted as one of the main priorities that will be supported and studied through the AAP Strategy Plan. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the vital role of Antarctica and the Southern Ocean in climate and weather to improve current knowledge and inform management responses. In 2021, the United States Antarctic Program (USAP) released a Midterm Assessment on the 2015 Strategic Vision for Antarctic and Southern Ocean Research, stressing the prominent role of the Southern Ocean in the global carbon cycle and sea level rise. The USAP outlines the Changing Antarctic Ice Sheets Initiative as a top priority to enhance understanding of why ice sheets are changing now, and how they will change in the future. |
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Under the heading "Research", please make a minor grammatical adjustment to the following sentence: |
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https://www.bas.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/2239182604BAS-Strategy-2024-2034-1.pdf |
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https://www.antarctica.gov.au/site/assets/files/53908/australian-antarctic-science-strategic-plan.pdf |
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https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/26338/chapter/1#vii [[User:Ddolma012|Ddolma012]] ([[User talk:Ddolma012|talk]]) 19:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Ross Dependency == |
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In September 2006, NASA satellite data showed that the Antarctic ozone hole was the largest on record, covering 27.5 million km2 (10.6 million sq mi).[88] |
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I have started a discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:British_Empire#Ross_Dependency here] about the status of the Ross dependency. It relates to a time when NZ was still a dominion, not fully independent, hence why I raised it on the B.E. article (and the NZ talk page). [[User:Roger 8 Roger|Roger 8 Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger 8 Roger|talk]]) 22:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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In September 2006, NASA satellite data revealed that the Antarctic ozone hole was larger than at any other time on record, covering 27.5 million km2 (10.6 million sq mi).[88] |
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The first sentence is confusing as it gives the impression that the data is measuring more than one ozone hole, rather than subsequent measurements of the same hole. |
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Despite myths and speculation about the Terra Australis Ignota ("the unknown land of the south") dating back to ancient times, Antarctica was the last region of Earth to be discovered and/or colonized by humans, being sighted for the first time in the southern summer of 1603 by the Spanish navigator Gabriel de Castilla and the Dutch Dirck Gerrit Pomp. Later, in 1820, it was sighted by the Russian explorers Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen and Mikhail Lazarev in the Vostok and Mirni, who discovered the Fimbul ice barrier. The continent, however, remained unexplored for most of the 19th century due to its hostile environment and isolation. In 1895, the first confirmed landing was led by a Norwegian group. [[Special:Contributions/37.10.235.22|37.10.235.22]] ([[User talk:37.10.235.22|talk]]) 17:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The suggested word change earlier in the main clause - changing "showed" to "revealed" - is simply stylistic. |
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There is an error to fix in the Research section. Cosmic microwave background radiation and neutrinos from space are not "more focused at the poles", rather the cited article by Magdalena Długosz-Lisiecka et al. is about cosmic rays. The least disruptive way I see to fix this is to please change: |
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[[User:Pgo12|Pgo12]] ([[User talk:Pgo12|talk]]) 20:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC) |
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[[User:Pgo12|Pgo12]] ([[User talk:Pgo12|talk]]) 20:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC) |
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[[Astrophysics|Astrophysicists]] at the [[Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station]] study [[cosmic microwave background radiation]] and [[neutrino]]s from space,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/livingsouthpole/sciencegoals.jsp|title=Science Goals: Celebrating a Century of Science and Exploration|website=National Science Foundation|date=2011|access-date=19 January 2022|archive-date=29 December 2007|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20071229073352/https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/livingsouthpole/sciencegoals.jsp|url-status=live}}</ref> which are more focused at the poles, with Antarctica having general radiation levels of 0.052 to 0.193 µSvh.<ref name="k910">{{cite journal | last=Długosz-Lisiecka | first=Magdalena | last2=Krystek | first2=Marcin | last3=Koper | first3=Mariusz | last4=Grala | first4=Tomasz | last5=Leniec-Koper | first5=Hanna | last6=Barasiński | first6=Michał | last7=Talar | first7=Magdalena | last8=Kamiński | first8=Ireneusz | last9=Kibart | first9=Robert | last10=Małecki | first10=Wojciech | last11=Kukliński | first11=Piotr | title=Natural gamma radiation at the sea level around the Antarctic continent recorded south of the 62° parallel | journal=Acta Universitatis Lodziensis. Folia Geographica Physica | issue=20 | date=December 30, 2021 | issn=2353-6063 | doi=10.18778/1427-9711.20.01 | pages=7–12| hdl=11089/41341 | hdl-access=free }}</ref> The largest [[neutrino detector]] in the world, the [[IceCube Neutrino Observatory]], is at the Amundsen-Scott Station. It consists of around 5,500 [[Optical module|digital optical modules]], some of which reach a depth of {{cvt|2450|m}}, that are held in {{convert|1|km3|abbr=unit}} of ice.<ref name="icecube">{{cite news |title=IceCube Quick Facts |url=https://icecube.wisc.edu/about-us/facts/ |website=[[IceCube Neutrino Observatory]] |access-date=6 February 2022 |archive-date=13 February 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210213095824/https://icecube.wisc.edu/about-us/facts/ |url-status=live }}</ref> |
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:Done. [[User:Apcbg|Apcbg]] ([[User talk:Apcbg|talk]]) 20:34, 26 January 2013 (UTC) |
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[[Astrophysics|Astrophysicists]] at the [[Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station]] study [[cosmic microwave background radiation]] and [[neutrino]]s from space.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/livingsouthpole/sciencegoals.jsp|title=Science Goals: Celebrating a Century of Science and Exploration|website=National Science Foundation|date=2011|access-date=19 January 2022|archive-date=29 December 2007|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20071229073352/https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/livingsouthpole/sciencegoals.jsp|url-status=live}}</ref> The largest [[neutrino detector]] in the world, the [[IceCube Neutrino Observatory]], is at the Amundsen-Scott Station. It consists of around 5,500 [[Optical module|digital optical modules]], some of which reach a depth of {{cvt|2450|m}}, that are held in {{convert|1|km3|abbr=unit}} of ice.<ref name="icecube">{{cite news |title=IceCube Quick Facts |url=https://icecube.wisc.edu/about-us/facts/ |website=[[IceCube Neutrino Observatory]] |access-date=6 February 2022 |archive-date=13 February 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210213095824/https://icecube.wisc.edu/about-us/facts/ |url-status=live }}</ref> Scientists also observed higher radiation dose rates around the coast of Antarctica compared with the global average: this is attributed to cosmic rays going through the thinner atmosphere compared to equatorial latitudes.<ref name="k910">{{cite journal | last=Długosz-Lisiecka | first=Magdalena | last2=Krystek | first2=Marcin | last3=Koper | first3=Mariusz | last4=Grala | first4=Tomasz | last5=Leniec-Koper | first5=Hanna | last6=Barasiński | first6=Michał | last7=Talar | first7=Magdalena | last8=Kamiński | first8=Ireneusz | last9=Kibart | first9=Robert | last10=Małecki | first10=Wojciech | last11=Kukliński | first11=Piotr | title=Natural gamma radiation at the sea level around the Antarctic continent recorded south of the 62° parallel | journal=Acta Universitatis Lodziensis. Folia Geographica Physica | issue=20 | date=December 30, 2021 | issn=2353-6063 | doi=10.18778/1427-9711.20.01 | pages=7–12| hdl=11089/41341 | hdl-access=free }}</ref> [[User:BradBrad13|BradBrad13]] ([[User talk:BradBrad13|talk]]) 00:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Having reached 10 edits, I was able to make this change myself. [[User:BradBrad13|BradBrad13]] ([[User talk:BradBrad13|talk]]) 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Under the heading of History of Exploration is the statement "The first documented landing on mainland Antarctica was by the American sealer John Davis in West Antarctica on 7 February 1821, although some historians dispute this claim[citation needed].". This statement has stood 'citation needed' for quite a long time, and personally, I think without some sort of citation or at least elaboration on "some historians dispute this claim", the phrase has no merit and should be taken out, rendering the sentence "The first documented landing on mainland Antarctica was by the American sealer John Davis in West Antarctica on 7 February 1821." |
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I have a problem with "Some X think Y" sentences in general, as I feel they're generally (though I'm not saying this is true in this case) added by fringe wikipedians as a way to give merit to their personal beliefs. I also think, due to the fact that there are billions of people on this earth, the very form of "some X think Y" is a statement that provides no actual information because it is likely to always be true. |
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To explain, "some historians think the world is flat" is technically a correct statement, in that some people who consider themselves historians stick to this demonstrably false theory (and has its own article, to boot!) but it is hardly relevant to any article that isn't expressly about flat earth theorists, and possibly one about the shape of the earth. |
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Anyway, yeah, unless someone can find some sort of citation for that phrase I'd like it to be taken out to preserve the factual accuracy and more importantly relevancy of the article. |
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Climate Section: Change "...Over the elevated inland, it can rise to about −30 °C in summer..." to "...Over the elevated inland, it can rise to about 30 °C in summer..." |
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I am assuming it is suppose to be positive, indicated by "rise" and "summer". [[Special:Contributions/99.209.158.50|99.209.158.50]] ([[User talk:99.209.158.50|talk]]) 22:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> Based on [[Climate of Antarctica#Temperature]] and the summer and winter temp map at the top of that article. Inland Antarctica does appear to average about -30C in the summer. The contrast against "fall below −80 °C in winter" I think helps make that clear. Doing a bit of external research, it appears that 18.3C is the hottest temperature ever recorded in Antarctica, in an area significantly warmer than the inland: <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146322/antarctica-melts-under-its-hottest-days-on-record>. [[User:Skynxnex|Skynxnex]] ([[User talk:Skynxnex|talk]]) 20:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Insidious611|Insidious611]] ([[User talk:Insidious611|talk]]) 04:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:{{ESp|n}} Your reasoning sounds compelling, yet it appears there is genuine dispute about this outside Wikipedia. See, for example, [http://books.google.com.au/books?id=y6JAr747H60C&pg=PA5&dq=%22john+davis%22+antarctica&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ScEPUc3wNMiAkQWU7IHgCw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22john%20davis%22%20antarctica&f=false this] Google Books shot from a book published in 1992. The current wording is poor, however, and could use amendment and a reference. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian '''J.''' Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 14:18, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::The phrase in question is less than justified in my opinion, too. The quoted source does not question the landing event but rather argues that Davis might have been unaware of the actual significance of that event. But then neither Columbus nor Bellingshausen realized what exactly they had encountered. [[User:Apcbg|Apcbg]] ([[User talk:Apcbg|talk]]) |
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Under the Climate section, Regional Differences, the word center is spelt "centre." It should probably be changed to center. [[Special:Contributions/69.62.224.183|69.62.224.183]] ([[User talk:69.62.224.183|talk]]) 20:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{notdone}} Thank you, but there is a 7-year-old "Use British English" template in the article. "Centre" is the British spelling. —<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;color:dark blue;">[[User:RCraig09|RCraig09]] ([[User talk:RCraig09|talk]])</span> 23:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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This article is locked, but there is no explanation on the talk page. Is this just an artifact that should be removed or has there been some vandalism that warrents this edit lock? [[User:SkyLined|— SkyLined]] |
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British explorer Ernest Shackleton was the first to reach the magnetic South Pole in 1907, and the geographic south pole was first reached in 1911 by Norwegian explorers.
[edit]The claim that Ernest Shackleton was the first to reach the magnetic South Pole is not correct. As can be seen in the Wikipedia article "Magnetic South Pole" the three people who were the 'first' were members of Shackleton's Nimrod Expedition (the 'Northern Party'). Also the date is wrong. The party reached their estimated position of the magnetic pole on 16 January 1909 (easy to find this by various articles online). While the Nimrod expedition is usually referred to as 1907-1909 (likely choice of 1907 date) the ship left the UK in 1907 and did not leave New Zealand for the Antarctic until January 1908. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antipodenz (talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Feel free to correct the body of the article with a good cite and the lead if you can do so succinctly. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Antipodenz. You're absolutely right, an embarrasing mistake from my side. I tried to summarise the body, but didn't read in enough detail. Femke (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Ernest Shackleton was not British. He was born in Co. Kildare, Ireland and spent the first 10 years of his life there. He is reported to have said many times: "I am an Irishman". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.43.50.34 (talk) 13:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Unrelated, despite an existing WP link to "South Pole" in the article's second sentence, I also linked this sentence's "geographic south pole" simply for clarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gprobins (talk • contribs) 13:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Shakleton was Anglo-Irish, making him British. It is common to assign an expedition's success to the leader of the expedition, irrespective of whether he was actually the 'first' to do something (eg Magellen). It isn't always the case though, (eg Hilary). Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Australian English instead of British
[edit]Australia's Antarctic territory is the largest one. Britain's Antarctic territory is around 3rd largest. (2nd largest is New Zealand)
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IPs are people too 🇺🇸🦅 21:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Enhancing Research and Climate Change section
[edit]Hi,
We are a group of college students and are interested in editing this article. Our main objective to enhance the Research section in this article. We specifically want to add more recent and relevant research findings and strategic missions. It is known that Antartica is a scientific preserve due to its immense significance in projecting climate and environment systems. We also want to attribute research expeditions and findings to climate change indicators found in the region by contributing to the Climate Change section as well.
We are open to receive any feedback or comments on our proposal!
Group members:
Jenna Chuong (chuon007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chuon007
Dhondup Dolma (dolma012) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ddolma012
Junyuan Wang (wang9747) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Juuyuau Ddolma012 (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Ddolma012, thank you for your interest in the article and improving it. This is a well-developed article, but at a glance I can see how the Research section could be improved. You might want to also contribute to sub articles like Research stations in Antarctica. Note that the Climate change section in this article is an excerpt. Perhaps not best practice, but in any case you cannot edit it here, you would have to edit Climate change in Antarctica. CMD (talk) 01:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi,
- We truly appreciate your feedback. We have drafted this paragraph related to current strategic plans released by scientific orgs highlighting the prominence of climate and environmental systems research in Antarctica:
- Major scientific organizations in Antarctica have released Strategy and Action Plans focused on advancing national interests and objectives in Antarctica, supporting cutting-edge research to understand the interactions between the Antarctic region and climate systems. The British Antarctic Survey (BAS) released a 10-year (2023 - 2033) strategy report to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to focus on creating sustainable living on Earth. Environmental sustainability is named as one of the top focus areas by the BAS strategy, highlighting the main challenge and priority to "embed environmental sustainability into everything we do." In 2022, the Australian Antarctic Program (AAP) released a new Strategy and 20-year Action Plan (2022 - 2036) to modernize its Antarctic program. The global climate system was highlighted as one of the main priorities that will be supported and studied through the AAP Strategy Plan. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the vital role of Antarctica and the Southern Ocean in climate and weather to improve current knowledge and inform management responses. In 2021, the United States Antarctic Program (USAP) released a Midterm Assessment on the 2015 Strategic Vision for Antarctic and Southern Ocean Research, stressing the prominent role of the Southern Ocean in the global carbon cycle and sea level rise. The USAP outlines the Changing Antarctic Ice Sheets Initiative as a top priority to enhance understanding of why ice sheets are changing now, and how they will change in the future.
- Sources:
- https://www.bas.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/2239182604BAS-Strategy-2024-2034-1.pdf
- https://www.antarctica.gov.au/site/assets/files/53908/australian-antarctic-science-strategic-plan.pdf
- https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/26338/chapter/1#vii
- Please let us know if this is a feasible paragraph for the research section. We are hoping to learn more about editing on Wikipedia and hopefully be able to contribute to this article.
- Thanks! Ddolma012 (talk) 03:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are a few resources regarding Wikipedia editing, but perhaps it is starting noting that Wikipedia is written as a tertiary source, and leans more towards reflecting the writing of secondary sources than on drawing new conclusions from primary sources (see WP:NOR for more). Thus, it would be better to have a source about the SAPs, rather than working directly from the SAPs. Another note related to what I said above is that Wikipedia articles are written in WP:Summary style, so not everything about Antarctica should be on this page, just as not everything about the Earth can be on Earth, not all data relating to climate change can be on Climate change, and not all History can be in History. Detailed information may better fit on more specific pages, such as those I mentioned above. CMD (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, It's Junyuan here. I plan to propose a summary paragraph that focuses on the research about Antarctica's Ice Sheet. Here is the proposed paragraph, welcome for any advice:
- Antarctica's ice sheets are a central focus of contemporary climate research due to urgent questions about their stability and reaction to global warming. Satellite technology enables researchers to study the ice sheets both through on-site fieldwork and remote sensing, facilitating detailed analyses of ice dynamics to predict future changes in a warming world. The INStabilities & Thresholds in ANTarctica (INSTANT) Scientific Research Programme proposes three research themes, investigating the complex interactions between the atmosphere, ocean, and solid Earth in Antarctica. Its aims include improving the understanding and predictions of these processes to aid decision makers in risk assessment, management, and mitigation related to Antarctic climate change. The Australian-led ICECAP project utilized advanced aerogeophysical techniques to map deep subglacial basins and channels that connect the ice sheet to the ocean. This mapping improves predictions of ice sheet stability, the impacts of climate change on the ice sheets, and their potential contributions to global sea level rise.
- References:
- Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research: https://scar.org/science/research-programmes/instant
- Australian Antarctic Program: https://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/weather-and-climate/climate-change/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise/
- Antartica and Southern Ocean Coalition: https://www.asoc.org/learn/climate-science-in-antarctica/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juuyuau (talk • contribs) 17:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add to Research Section:
Major scientific organizations in Antarctica have released Strategy and Action Plans focused on advancing national interests and objectives in Antarctica, supporting cutting-edge research to understand the interactions between the Antarctic region and climate systems. The British Antarctic Survey (BAS) released a 10-year (2023 - 2033) strategy report to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to focus on creating sustainable living on Earth. Environmental sustainability is named as one of the top focus areas by the BAS strategy, highlighting the main challenge and priority to "embed environmental sustainability into everything we do." In 2022, the Australian Antarctic Program (AAP) released a new Strategy and 20-year Action Plan (2022 - 2036) to modernize its Antarctic program. The global climate system was highlighted as one of the main priorities that will be supported and studied through the AAP Strategy Plan. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the vital role of Antarctica and the Southern Ocean in climate and weather to improve current knowledge and inform management responses. In 2021, the United States Antarctic Program (USAP) released a Midterm Assessment on the 2015 Strategic Vision for Antarctic and Southern Ocean Research, stressing the prominent role of the Southern Ocean in the global carbon cycle and sea level rise. The USAP outlines the Changing Antarctic Ice Sheets Initiative as a top priority to enhance understanding of why ice sheets are changing now, and how they will change in the future.
Sources: https://www.bas.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/2239182604BAS-Strategy-2024-2034-1.pdf https://www.antarctica.gov.au/site/assets/files/53908/australian-antarctic-science-strategic-plan.pdf https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/26338/chapter/1#vii Ddolma012 (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. RudolfRed (talk) 02:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Ross Dependency
[edit]I have started a discussion here about the status of the Ross dependency. It relates to a time when NZ was still a dominion, not fully independent, hence why I raised it on the B.E. article (and the NZ talk page). Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Despite myths and speculation about the Terra Australis Ignota ("the unknown land of the south") dating back to ancient times, Antarctica was the last region of Earth to be discovered and/or colonized by humans, being sighted for the first time in the southern summer of 1603 by the Spanish navigator Gabriel de Castilla and the Dutch Dirck Gerrit Pomp. Later, in 1820, it was sighted by the Russian explorers Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen and Mikhail Lazarev in the Vostok and Mirni, who discovered the Fimbul ice barrier. The continent, however, remained unexplored for most of the 19th century due to its hostile environment and isolation. In 1895, the first confirmed landing was led by a Norwegian group. 37.10.235.22 (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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There is an error to fix in the Research section. Cosmic microwave background radiation and neutrinos from space are not "more focused at the poles", rather the cited article by Magdalena Długosz-Lisiecka et al. is about cosmic rays. The least disruptive way I see to fix this is to please change:
Astrophysicists at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station study cosmic microwave background radiation and neutrinos from space,[1] which are more focused at the poles, with Antarctica having general radiation levels of 0.052 to 0.193 µSvh.[2] The largest neutrino detector in the world, the IceCube Neutrino Observatory, is at the Amundsen-Scott Station. It consists of around 5,500 digital optical modules, some of which reach a depth of 2,450 m (8,040 ft), that are held in 1 km3 (0.24 cu mi) of ice.[3]
to:
Astrophysicists at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station study cosmic microwave background radiation and neutrinos from space.[4] The largest neutrino detector in the world, the IceCube Neutrino Observatory, is at the Amundsen-Scott Station. It consists of around 5,500 digital optical modules, some of which reach a depth of 2,450 m (8,040 ft), that are held in 1 km3 (0.24 cu mi) of ice.[3] Scientists also observed higher radiation dose rates around the coast of Antarctica compared with the global average: this is attributed to cosmic rays going through the thinner atmosphere compared to equatorial latitudes.[2] BradBrad13 (talk) 00:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Having reached 10 edits, I was able to make this change myself. BradBrad13 (talk) 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Science Goals: Celebrating a Century of Science and Exploration". National Science Foundation. 2011. Archived from the original on 29 December 2007. Retrieved 19 January 2022.
- ^ a b Długosz-Lisiecka, Magdalena; Krystek, Marcin; Koper, Mariusz; Grala, Tomasz; Leniec-Koper, Hanna; Barasiński, Michał; Talar, Magdalena; Kamiński, Ireneusz; Kibart, Robert; Małecki, Wojciech; Kukliński, Piotr (December 30, 2021). "Natural gamma radiation at the sea level around the Antarctic continent recorded south of the 62° parallel". Acta Universitatis Lodziensis. Folia Geographica Physica (20): 7–12. doi:10.18778/1427-9711.20.01. hdl:11089/41341. ISSN 2353-6063.
- ^ a b "IceCube Quick Facts". IceCube Neutrino Observatory. Archived from the original on 13 February 2021. Retrieved 6 February 2022.
- ^ "Science Goals: Celebrating a Century of Science and Exploration". National Science Foundation. 2011. Archived from the original on 29 December 2007. Retrieved 19 January 2022.
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Climate Section: Change "...Over the elevated inland, it can rise to about −30 °C in summer..." to "...Over the elevated inland, it can rise to about 30 °C in summer..."
I am assuming it is suppose to be positive, indicated by "rise" and "summer". 99.209.158.50 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Based on Climate of Antarctica#Temperature and the summer and winter temp map at the top of that article. Inland Antarctica does appear to average about -30C in the summer. The contrast against "fall below −80 °C in winter" I think helps make that clear. Doing a bit of external research, it appears that 18.3C is the hottest temperature ever recorded in Antarctica, in an area significantly warmer than the inland: <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146322/antarctica-melts-under-its-hottest-days-on-record>. Skynxnex (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Under the Climate section, Regional Differences, the word center is spelt "centre." It should probably be changed to center. 69.62.224.183 (talk) 20:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done Thank you, but there is a 7-year-old "Use British English" template in the article. "Centre" is the British spelling. —RCraig09 (talk) 23:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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