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== Cyprus military ranks ==
==Is it possible to put my 'General Theory of Everything/DNA speed though time to a forum?==
General theory of Everything
or DNA speed through Time


I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.
The variable speed at which the DNA spiral travels through time and space results in several different effects:


=== NCO and other ranks ===
a) Acceleration of gravity is proportionally slower from our point of view and presents a weakened force when compared to the rest of the lifeless universe. The diminished gravity experienced in water may be the reason behind the start of this process. Life is a watery business.
NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.<ref>{{Cite web |last=tanea.gr |date=2004-10-11 |title=Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες» |url=https://www.tanea.gr/2004/10/11/greece/allazoyn-to-ethnosimo-kai-oi-sardeles/ |access-date=2024-06-10 |website=ΤΑ ΝΕΑ |language=el}}</ref>
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| colspan=4 rowspan=2| '''''No equivalent'''''{{Hr}}
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| colspan=2| '''No insignia'''
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*{{ping|Hog Farm}} Hi. Would you be able to answer this question? I mean, does it come under the field you are knowledgeable about (MILHIST)? I already have a program/bot that finds the creators of discussions, I will ping the OP in few hours. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 06:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
b) Galaxies, seeming to accelerate away from each other at the outer edges of space, don’t, it’s just that time is running slower for us compared to them.


== Rules of recommendations to add links in an article ==
c) We can actually see other planets with DNA cruising at the same rate and they appear to be dark, as light cannot travel through the shared timelines between us. It’s not slow enough. They look like black holes.


Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.
d) Approximately one sixth of the entire mass of the universe runs at our rate through time. The rest of it appears to be invisible as it runs at a faster rate and is commonly called dark matter.


I'm talking about internal links to Wikipedia in English.
e) Evolution. It is inevitable that creation should eventually come up with a being that is self-aware.


As an example. We can choose the article "[[Bashar Al-Assad]]". <br />
Conclusion
If there are a section or a sub-section citing "[[Moscow]]" '''(This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article)'''.
As we can only see a sixth of the universe’s matter, we presumably get a sixth of the general gravity; chiefly because we spend a sixth of time in general space. I suppose it was always going to be that number.


If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?
Hope you enjoyed the theory [[User:Michael David Howells|Michael David Howells]] ([[User talk:Michael David Howells|talk]]) 03:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


If you don't understand what I means with words '''"section"''' and '''"sub-section"'''. <br />
==Removing a box with broken lines around an article section==
You can see the example below.
Dear Teahouse hosts,


== Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site? ==
I created a Wikipedia article on The Fralin Museum of Art, which was accepted and moved into the main article space. However, I went back to look at the article a couple of days ago, and noticed that one of the sections, "Audience and Outreach," isn't appearing properly after another user edited it. Most of the text is no longer visible and there is a broken line around the text that's actually there (like a "cut here" line). I went into the editing section to see what might be the problem, but couldn't figure it out. Can anyone help?


Hi Everyone,
I'm a total beginner, so it could be something very obvious...thanks in advance for your help and patience!


I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
SharpCrumbs
: Hi {{u|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}}. I suggest you take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Autobiography]], [[:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] and [[:Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything]] because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia and how it works. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
[[User:SharpCrumbs|SharpCrumbs]] ([[User talk:SharpCrumbs|talk]]) 20:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
::To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse! The box was there because there was a space before "A". I went ahead and fixed it. If you have any more problems feel free to ask. Thanks! — '''[[User:Nerdfighter|<font color=#088A08>nerd</font color=#088A08>]][[User_Talk:Nerdfighter|<font color=#0489B1>fighter</font color=#0489B1>]]''' 20:34, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you, David notMD. [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, if you start a newline in the edit window with a space
::Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Wikipedia. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
you get this, a text box that runs on indefinitely.
:::In addition @[[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]]
::Sometimes that can be useful, more often, not. If you want to indent a line on a talkpage, use one or more colons,
:::I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See [[Help:Editing|WP:Editing]] before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. [[User:Tesleemah|Tesleemah]] ([[User talk:Tesleemah|talk]]) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::<nowiki>::for example, this</nowiki>
:::You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable ''can'' write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.
::results in this:
:::See [[WP:Golden Rule]]. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are ''independent'' of you, providing ''significant coverage'' of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::for example, this
::::Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::More information on such wikioddness is available at [[WP:MARKUP|this page]], or [[WP:CHEATSHEET|its more digestible little brother]]. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 20:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Yes, I get it. Thank you. [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the [[:Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] process to first work on [[:WP:DRAFTS|a draft for an article]] and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "[[:WP:DRAFTS#Abandoned drafts|abandon]]" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the [[:WP:MAINSPACE|Wikipedia article namespace]], pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for [[:WP:DELETION]]. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)]], [[:Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]], [[:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing]] (particularly the [[:WP:COISELF]] and [[:WP:LUC]] sections), [[:Wikipedia:Ownership of content]] and [[:Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]] because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny.
:::::::Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::: {{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with [[:WP:PAID]]; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of [[:WP:SCAM]]s out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Wikipedia won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying [[:WP:RA]] (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a [[:WP:WPPJ|WikiProject]] that might be related to whatever you think makes you Wikipedia notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Wikipedia operates in the [[:WP:REALWORLD]], and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.{{pb}}Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Wikipedia articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Wikipedia for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Wikipedia article created about them is for them to do enough Wikipedia notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Wikipedia article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better [[:WP:ALTERNATIVE]]s these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? [[User:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor]] ([[User talk:Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor|talk]]) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: {{ping|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}} The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Wikipedia has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained [[:WP:BLPKIND|here]]; Wikipedia, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable ''independent'' sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page.
:::::::::That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Sandbox ==
==Short Text Upon Google Search underneath wikipedia link==
Hello Wiki Friends,


Is there any way to use existing articles as template sorta things for the sandbox? Any help is appreciated! [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Help required on how to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hii_King_Chiong so that when we google search it, it can appear the main titles.. like if we search https://www.google.com.my/search?q=najib+abdul+razak&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a .
:Hello, {{u|Willzdawgh}}. Yes. you can copy an existing article into your sandbox, but for attribution purposes, you should use an edit summary of something like "Copying (article title) into my sandbox for article development purposes". Wikilink the article in question where I said (article title). [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::Copying [[Donald Trump]] into my sandbox for article development purposes
::Like that? [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That is a ''massive'' and highly controversial article, {{u|Willzdawgh}}. Why on earth would you select that article? [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. [[User:Willzdawgh|Willzdawgh]] ([[User talk:Willzdawgh|talk]]) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::No need to apologize. If you're here to experiment, I recommend scouting scouting out stub articles via [[Special:RandomPage]], pasting the wikitext into your sandbox, and messing around with the source there. If you need any help, you can refer to the tutorial at [[Help:Wikitext]], the cheatsheet at [[Help:Cheatsheet]], or an experienced editor (not me.) Thanks for asking, [[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Something like that should be done either A) on your computer or B) [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox|in your sandbox]]. Certainly ''not'' on a massive and controversial page like Donald Trump [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 07:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


{{u|Willzdawgh}} Applying the Hypertranslate software to the text of an existing article and then replacing the original text would be considered vandalism and would result in your account being indefinitely blocked. If all you are is curious about what repeated Google Translate would do to any Wikipedia text, do that on your own computer and do not bring it back to Wikipedia. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
The link like this..
Early life - Political career - Appointment as Prime Minister - 1Malaysia


== Passive voice in articles ==
Thank you so much.
[[User:Denry.C|Denry.C]] ([[User talk:Denry.C|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


{{Courtesy link|User:Sparkle & Fade/sandbox|linktext=Sacred Reich (sandbox)}}
:Hey Denry :) Welcome to the Teahouse! That's most likely an issue on Google's side, because we have no control over them using our content. I'm not sure if there's a Google employee or e-mail you can ask about it.. It's possible that the page is so news that it hasn't been put into Google's systems yet, if that's the case it'll happen soon hopefully! [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 17:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


I'm working on a draft for the [[Sacred Reich]] article (at my sandbox) for a major edit, and I ran my text through numerous grammar/spellcheckers like EasyBib and Grammarly. The most common—and most confusing—is on the use of [[passive voice]]. For context, passive voice is "the ball ''was kicked by'' Jeremy", while active voice is "Jeremy ''kicked'' the ball". I don't know whether or not I should be using passive voice in my prose (i.e. "Greg Hall was fired from the band and was replaced by drummer Tim Radziwill). I have attempted to use featured articles as examples, but usually doesn't seem to happen because of the abundance of information on the subject (i.e [[The Beatles]] or [[Alice in Chains]]) compared to a band like Sacred Reich. In my opinion, I'm not sure whether or not to use passive voice because it sounds rough when introducing a new member.
==[[Camp Agawam]] editing==
I have a question about video content, since I am a WikiNoob. Can I use videos as a reference, for the article [[Camp Agawam]]? If so, will the videos on the YouTube channel called 'Camp Agawam' work as a reliable source, though they are the official camp website's videos? Please help.[[User:Mfribbs|Mfribbs]] ([[User talk:Mfribbs|talk]]) 16:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


For example, "Greg Hall ... was replaced by Dave McClain ... later that year." vs. "Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall later that year." usually justifies using passive voice, but in context, this his ''first mention'' in the article and it disrupts the flow of the prose. In context:
==multiple sandbox creation ==
Hello Wiki Users !


{{blockquote|text=Sacred Reich toured for nearly two years in support of The American Way, headlining major tours with Atrophy, Obituary, and Forced Entry. They also supported Venom in Europe and for Sepultura on their Arise tour in both Europe and North America. In 1991, the band released an EP, titled A Question. Former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found their extensive touring to be difficult, later that year.}}
1 main question as a WikiNoob.


I'm still not sure if it justifies using active voice or not. If it does, please let me know. On a side note, I've noticed an abundance of the phrase "later that year" in my writing, and I don't know how to rewrite it properly because of vague dates in the source material. If anyone can help me with that as well, ''please'' let me know so I can get rid of the repetition. Thanks for reading. —[[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 04:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I tried creating multiple sandboxes but after an effort of 1 whole day and reading different links and archives 38, 52 and 44 in Teahouse all i could see that there was already a hyper link created for the other users for second sandbox. Can someone please explain the process to create the sandbox 2 , 3 and or further ?
[[User:Ghorpaapi|Ghorpaapi]]([[User talk:Ghorpaapi|talk]]) 11:03, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Ghorpaapi. You can create such sandboxes by searching (as you would for an article) for [[User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox2]], [[User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox3]], [[User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox4]] and so on, then clicking on the "Start the User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox2etc." link that results. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 11:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:<small>Or just click on any of the redlinks above! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 11:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)</small>


:I think it's clunky because of where you put 'later that year'. It reads much better if you put it first - Later that year former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found the extensive touring difficult. I don't think you should worry too much about active vs passive voice. Despite what grammar checkers might tell you, there's no one right way to write. [[User:Blackballnz|Blackballnz]] ([[User talk:Blackballnz|talk]]) 06:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Your first sandbox can be accessed by clicking on the link at the top right side of the page. Your personal sandbox 1 is located [[User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox1|here]]. If you want to created your second sandbox click on this link: [[User:Ghorpaapi/sandbox2]] and just create the page as you do on other pages. If you want to create another sandbox just just replace the 2 with 3. If you want to create further sandboxes just repeat these steps while replacing the sandbox number. Hope this helps. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 11:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks for the tip, [[User:Blackballnz|Blackballnz]]. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, [[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::In my view, {{u|Sparkle &#38; Fade}}, the active voice is almost always best for writing encyclopedia articles. We favor a direct, clear and concise style of writing. [https://writing.wisc.edu/handbook/ccs_activevoice/ Here] is a good explanation from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. [[Wikipedia:Writing better articles]] also offers a lot of good advice. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::passive voice is best used when you have to avoid to ascribe an action to someone. Example: somebody was fired from the band. The reference uses passive voice, thereby avoiding to say who did it. Now you have a choice. Either search for a reference, that says who was firing or use passive voice too to avoid to say who did the firing. What you can't do is to figure out who ''could'' do the firings in general and then ascribe that firing to him in active voice! [[Special:Contributions/176.0.139.10|176.0.139.10]] ([[User talk:176.0.139.10|talk]]) 12:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::When it matters (and you know) who took the action, use the active. When it's not important who was the actor, by all means use the passive. Grammarly and its friends express a prejudice against the passive which appeared in the early 20th C, often by writers who failed to follow their own injunction, and sometimes appeared unable to detect a passive accurately. See http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003380.html. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:here's what every professor in college ever told me about writing expository, "use active voice!" It doesn't always sound good, but we aren't trying to be artistic or poetic with expository, we are trying to be clear and concise, and active voice is always the clearer choice.
:Also, if you move "later that year" to the beginning of the sentence as one contributor suggested, please put a comma after "year" as it is a prepositional phrase. I.e. Later that year, former S.A. Slayer member... BTW, I do agree with putting it at the beginning. It sounds better and makes the sentence clearer. [[User:Dougjaso|Dougjaso]] ([[User talk:Dougjaso|talk]]) 18:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:However, also note what our Manual of Style says in [[MOS:PASSIVE]]:{{blockquote| The passive voice is inappropriate for some forms of writing, but it is widely used in encyclopedia articles, because the passive voice avoids inappropriate first- and second-person constructions as well as tone problems. The most common uses of encyclopedic passive are to keep the focus on the subject instead of performing a news-style shift to dwelling on a non-notable party.}} [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== New editor needs some help. ==
:: Hello [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] and [[User:Ushau97]] ! Thanks a lot for help and spontaneous reply. To be precise I did the same method as you have mentioned above, but I thought I have done something wrong and my previous draft would be deleted. But, I really appreciate your help . thanks ^^. [[User:Ghorpaapi|Ghorpaapi]] ([[User talk:Ghorpaapi|talk]]) 11:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, creating new user subpages like this won't overwrite your previous sandbox. Incidentally, when I'm creating more than one article at once I usually use the format "User:Yunshui/Name of draft article" rather than "User:Yunshui/sandbox x", since it makes the various pages easier to keep track of - you may want to do the same sort of thing. Basically, to create any user subpage just use the format "User:Ghorpaapi/Name of subpage". If you no longer need a subpage (because you've moved the content to an article, or decided not to carry on with it), just write {{tlx|db-u1}} at the top and a passing admin will delete it for you. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 11:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi there, I'm new. I wrote 2 drafts: 1 about an Internship Program which I found interested in, 1 is a course in social science field. I submitted 2 drafts and all rejected.
==How to remove warning that a Wiki article relies largely on a single source?==
Hi,


After editing few more things. I still don't know how to make references more reliable, or which content is the promoting material?
I'm part of a group of scholars updating the Constance Fenimore Woolson page. There's a warning at tthe top of the article that reads:


Here is my 2 drafts: [[Draft:Madiad Internship Program|MIP]] and [[Draft:Vietnamese writing practice|Vietnamese writing practice]] [[User:Miyano25|Miyano25]] ([[User talk:Miyano25|talk]]) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help improve this article by introducing citations to additional sources. (September 2010)


:{{u|Miyano25}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Your drafts were "declined", meaning that they may be resubmitted.
Now that this warning no longer accurately depicts the article, how do I go about getting the warning removed?
:Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:N|notability]]- such as [[WP:ORG|a notable organization]]. Regarding MIP, you did a great job telling about the structure of the program and its offerings- but that's not what we're looking for(alone, at least). We're looking for a summary of what others say about the program. The same goes for the Vietnamese course. You can't "make references more reliable"- they either are, or they're not. Reliable sources are those which have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- like reputable news outlets(just one example). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::Oh I see, thanks for explaining. Is it okay if I can summarize what other people say about the program but don't have a source to back it up, or have a source but it's not reliable to make it as a source? [[User:Miyano25|Miyano25]] ([[User talk:Miyano25|talk]]) 14:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Watchlist preferences and settings ==
Thanks!


My watchlist continues to show categorization edits, despite checking <Hide categorization of pages> in my preferences. I've tried both the javascript and the non-javascript watchlists. The unwanted watchlist edits that do appear seem to all be made via either [[Wikipedia:HotCat|HotCat]] or [[mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js|Cat-a-lot]]. They aren't marked as minor edits, but I actually don't want to hide all minor edits. I have also selected the watchlist filter <Human (not bot)>, without luck; perhaps because they're merely semi-automated edits (as opposed to actual bots?). I have checked the tag to exclude all AWB edits, which does work for those. Does anyone have any thoughts? [[User:Scottyoak2|Scottyoak2]] ([[User talk:Scottyoak2|talk]]) 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
LoreleiH
[[User:LoreleiH|LoreleiH]] ([[User talk:LoreleiH|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


:Are you speaking about the Watchlist for Wikipedia in English language ? <br /> <br />
:Hello Lorelei! Welcome to the Teahouse! If you've added more sourcing to the article, you can remove the notice yourself. If you'd rather have someone else remove it, I'll be happy to take a look if you'd give us a link :) [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 20:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:Can you make screenshots ? I can possibly help you with some screenshots but I can't guarantee I can help you with efficiency. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 04:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. The English Wikipedia, yes. I just was hoping that someone might already know how to filter out streams of edits made with [[Wikipedia:HotCat|HotCat]] or [[mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js|Cat-a-lot]] that sometimes flood my watchlist. If not, I can take a pair of pruning shears to my watchlist--an activity which might make a good [[New Year's resolution]]. [[User:Scottyoak2|Scottyoak2]] ([[User talk:Scottyoak2|talk]]) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Are you seeing edits to pages on you watchlist that happen to change the categories? Or is the category itself on your watchlist? Because I think the "Hide categorization of pages" setting only applies to categories you are watching. So if you uncheck that preference, and you add a category to your watchlist, you'll see any page that is ''added to or removed from that category'' show up in your watchlist. With the preference enabled, you won't see those changes, but you'd still see changes to the category itself, for example to the description.
:I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter out category-change edits to pages you see watching, because those edits are fundamentally just regular edits. And they are usually not minor edits, because category changes can be quite controversial sometimes, especially around [[WP:BLP|BLP]]s or other [[WP:CTOP|contentious topics]]. --[[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 03:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Technical question about the long hyphen ==
::User:Ypnypn have removed the tag since many new references have been added by LoreleiH. Thanks for adding references to the article, which is in fact a pretty hard work. Before you started editing the article it had only 3 citations. At present, it have more than 70 citations . You can improve the style of the references, by using the [[Template:Cite book|Cite book]] template or the [[Template:Rp|Rp]] template which are specialized templates for citing books. However it looks good with the way you referenced. If you are willing to make it better, feel free to do so. For more information see [[Help:References and page numbers]] and [[WP:REFB]]. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 05:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi!
==Deleted edits==
Dear editors:
When I use the "Edit count" feature on my Contributions page, it says that a few of my edits have been deleted. Is there any way to find out which ones? &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 17:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?
:Anne, only admins have access to deleted contributions.--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 17:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


Thanks! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Anne, anything special you want to know, or is this just general curiosity? As an example, you made a few edits to the article [[Barnraisers]], which has been deleted, so those edits are in that list. [[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 17:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


:Hello, @[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]]. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See [[MOS:EMDASH]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:(ec)I don't know if there is a specific tool for this but "deleted contributions" are your edits on pages that have been deleted. If you have enabled the feature that automatically adds all the pages you edit to your watchlist, then you can just look for the redlinks on [[Special:EditWatchlist]]. [[User:Dodger67|Roger]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 17:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
::Well, I didn't realize that these were on deleted pages; I thought maybe they were rollbacks, etc. My curiosity is satisfied. &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 17:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
::Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think you could find a better character in '''"unicode table"'''.
:This "[[List of Unicode characters|article]]" is listing the most common characters. <br /> <br />
:There are also the "[[Unicode block]]" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Excellent. Thank you too! [[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] ([[User talk:Moonshane1933|talk]]) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:Ignoring the [[Minus sign]], there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the [[N-dash]] and the [[M-dash]]. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
==Article and adding information help!!!==
::@[[User:Moonshane1933|Moonshane1933]] If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> are also available with a single click. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
So confusing. All I want to do is add as small amount of information to a Wikipedia article> or post the information for others to read.> > > > help!> > > > > > Sorry, but even after all the reading to answer my question I still do not> > understand.> > > I was reading an article and I have information that is confirmed and need to> > post or add to the article.> > > I have an account ,clicked on edit and could not find a place to type what I wanted.> > > I clicked on Talk and could not find a place to write anything.> > > I need to find out where to type my comment. > > >
I have read the site for answering questions and still do not understand what to do.
I need step by step help. This information is important to the article or I would not
bother so much 16:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.254.60.26|99.254.60.26]] ([[User talk:99.254.60.26|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hi! I have an idea of what might have happened here, though I might be wrong. My guess is that you were trying to edit the information in the first part of the page (what we call the "[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section|lead section]]") and what you did was click on one of the <code>[edit]</code> links on the side of the page (which access the particular section of the page below it), ''instead of clicking "<code>Edit</code>" at the top of the article'' (which accesses the entire article). Does that help or am I off target?<p>Regarding the talk page, if you want to add a comment, once there, click on the button at the top of the page marked "<code>new section</code>". By the way, you might get some use out of taking a tour through the [[Wikipedia:Tutorial]]. It clears up many common issues people face in editing. Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 22:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


== This may be the wrong place to mention this ==
==Does a bibliography page need references?==
Dear editors:
I have been reading an article [[Orson Welles bibliography]]. Am I right in assuming that, since the whole article is a list of publications, no references are needed? &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 15:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Anne, welcome back to the Teahouse. As you state, bibliographies are a list of publications about a topic so there is no need for references. However, if you know of another substantial bibliography, particularly one published by say an academic journal, it would be helpful to add reference to it, to help future expansion. I should note, editors are divided as to whether bibliographies about a topic (as opposed to of an author's works) are a suitable subject for Wikipedia articles. Some people feel they should be moved to some other Wikimedia project. Hope this is helpful, [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 16:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I can see the point. A list of every published work about every topic would be Google Books and Google News, wouldn't it? &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 17:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:::* I have created multiple bibliography articles, since I link ISBNs, I don't concentrate on references (to clarify it, clicking on those ISBN links take you to full details page). For example see [[Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda]] --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 22:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
*Compiling bibliographies is a major activity of historians and scholars here on Wikipedia. Especially people involved with [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program Wikipedia Education Program]. We create bibs for students to do research with and thus expand Wikipedia. Bibliographies have been growing alot - since we are trying to get people to use scholarly publication over web site that will be a dead link in 6 months. Come join the scholars and historians at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]])


On the page [[User:Lowercase sigmabot III|Lowercase Sigmabot |||]], there is a infobox; in that infobox lies an image of a supposed “plane” labeled “Lowercase sigmabot ||| archiving a discussion” or something like that. Is this a joke by the moderators of Wikipedia? [[User:Selectortopic|Selectortopic]] ([[User talk:Selectortopic|talk]]) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Moxy, I very much want to be a part of the Bibliographies project, but I often go on sabbaticals from Wiki and then return with a passion only to fizzle again. Can I still be apart or is there a consistency / time commitment?[[User:Gray106|Gray106]] ([[User talk:Gray106|talk]]) 14:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


:This is not an article but an Userpage. Humor is allowed on this kind of page.
==How do you deal with vandalism? ==
:If you click on my nickname. You could read my page. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 16:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Teahouse. I edit a wikipedia page about the Legal Ombudsman and we have a disgruntled customer who persists in writing personal opinions about the service it provides, some of which is inaccurate. We have tried to edit the page to reflect his views in a more unbiased and objective, ultimately factual way to no avail.
:No, @[[User:Selectortopic|Selectortopic]], it's a joke by whoever edited that page (actually the user, @[[User:Lowercase sigmabot III|Lowercase sigmabot III]]). We don't have moderators, and admins have no role in the content of articles (though the users who are admins may have, but not in their admin role) [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Selectortopic}} It's a humorous remark added by the bot operator [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III&diff=prev&oldid=579065121] who is not an administrator. Many bot operators are normal users. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] See [[WP:BOTR]] page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks ! [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 20:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== How can i improve my page? ==
Is there any thing that can be done? This is thepage if you want to see the editing history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_Ombudsman


I'm actually working on the wikipedia page [[Villa Fraccaroli]] for a university project, i need to improve the page to be categorized as B before the 31 of december to get a good mark (it's actually start class), it is really difficult to find some good and reliable sources.
Thanks LeO_Admin [[User:LeO Admin|LeO Admin]] ([[User talk:LeO Admin|talk]]) 13:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you in advance! [[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]] ([[User talk:Liucmicol01|talk]]) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::I am not a Teahouse host, but after looking at the page I find myself somewhat in sympathy with the "vandal". While the text that he/she is trying to insert is not encyclopedic, I think the article does need some more information. It says what the ombudsman can't do, but it doesn't explain what types of "quality of service" issues it can help with. If this were added, perhaps the editor would be satisfied that the article was sufficiently informative. It also seems that LeO Admin has a conflict of interest in this article. &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 16:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


:I think it is not realistic to expect this page be categorized B before the 31 of december. <br /> [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I am not a Teahouse host either, but I have left a message on the "vandal's" page. I have informed him that his contributions have not been helpful because they appear to be [[WP:NOTESSAY|personal opinions]] and not information from [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].
:::As to the asker of the question, you appear to be connected to the subject of the article and therefore in a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. Please request a [[WP:RENAME|change of username]] and also read through Wikipedia's [[WP:PLAINANDSIMPLECOI|plain and simple conflict of interest guide]]. Thanks. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 17:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
::::The above guideline says that users should be open about any conflict of interest, so I believe that LeO Admin has done this correctly with an appropriate user name, and should keep it. &mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 17:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::No, that's not correct. There is [[WP:ORGNAME|another policy]] that explicitly prohibits usernames that suggest the editor represents an organisation or group. Yes the editor is correct to declare a COI but it should not be by way of a username that suggests representation of anything or anyone. The username also imlies that he/she is an [[WP:Admin|Administrator]] here at WP. [[User:Dodger67|Roger]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 18:14, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


:{{u|Liucmicol01}}, the lead (opening section) of an article should summarise the body of the article. As faar as I can tell, the second paragraph of [[Villa Fraccaroli]] does not relate to anything in the body of the article. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks all for your comments and suggestions. LeO Admin [[Special:Contributions/193.41.96.78|193.41.96.78]] ([[User talk:193.41.96.78|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:That seems like an unreasonable expectation, as the assessment depends on someone else doing the assessing, and Wikipedia has no deadlines. If your prof -- {{u|Limelightangel}}, it looks like? -- wants to do the assessments, they can, but it's not really reasonable to expect assessments to be done by others. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]]. As you were told [[#DRAFT PAGE UNIVERSITY PROJECT|two days ago]], there is no way to guarantee that the article will get any particular rating by a particlar date, and few editors are much concerned with [[WP:rating|rating]]s anyway. But since you are concerned with ratings, you would do best to ask at the talk page of one of the Wikiprojects related to the article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Liucmicol01|Liucmicol01]] .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Although as MDT pointed out, you could yourself change the rating from C-class to B-class, don't. The article does not qualify. From just a quick look at some of the content and references, the refs do not always verify the content. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Search suggestions have changed for the worse ==
== New Kid in Town... ==


I have always been able to count on Wikipedia's search function to provide me with a list of articles connected with the term entered in the search field. Today, however, I'm not getting these, but rather only short and apparently arbitrary lists of articles that I've viewed or edited. When I type "A", for example, I get:
Happy Birthday Teahouse!!!! I'm the new kid in town, and the name's Mon, The Wikimon! It's been one day and it feels awesome to be here on Wikipedia. Now I know all that was unnecessary, but I thought I should introduce myself. A couple of quick questions and I'll be outta your hair...


ajedrez<br>
1. Why is Wikipedia user interface so tough to use. Only some codes are like HTML, while others are new, and tough to learn...
Angelou<br>
:Wikpedia has a certain level of complexity that could be seen as University level. That is on purpose in some ways and unintentional in others. The interface editing box should help most basic users and there are several ways, like here to ask questions.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 05:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Alvin Bragg<br>
2. How can new editors' 1st articles be prevented from deletion in case they are good and potential articles but without the actual structure of a Wikipedia article???
Abbot and Costello<br>
:There is no better way to prevent it than to have the strongest article you can with reliable sources and accurate information, but you could appeal to [[Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron]] and perhaps it can be tagged for rescue.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 05:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Athena<br>
3. Are new editors allowed to join Wikiprojects???
Ari
:Anyone can join a WikProject and I encourage it, but you don't have to join them to participate/collaborate.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 05:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I have the pleasure of meeting three awesome editors on my 1st day, Gerda Arendt and Ched and GG-J who have been helping me and so I had a few doubts...I won't bother you again... And once again Happy B'Day!!! [[User:The Wikimon|The Wikimon]] ([[User talk:The Wikimon|talk]]) 03:21, 13 March 2013
::Well you have a great start then. Gerda and Ched I know are great editors and I am sure GG-J must be.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 05:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


When I add a "b" to this, the list becomes:
:Thanks a Lot, Amadscientist!!! It sure does mean a lot!!! The Teahouse will be my new haunt!!!![[User:The Wikimon|The Wikimon]] ([[User talk:The Wikimon|talk]]) 09:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
::Hey, Mon! Welcome to Wikipedia. If your excellent friends are not already working with you on an article, there are plenty of other things you can do around Wikipedia other than write an article to gain experience with Wikicode! I might suggest that you just type a subject that you know something about in the search box, go read the article, and then decide if there is something missing that you can add with a proper reference. That way, you have examples of all the code you need in the other edits that are visible right there in the edit window you are working in! And Mad is exactly right! You have chosen some of the most experienced competent people around Wikiland to help you. Great job. One last thing. You are never going to be a bother here, come with as many questions as you wish. My Dad used to say, "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask!" [[User:Gtwfan52|Gtwfan52]] ([[User talk:Gtwfan52|talk]]) 17:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


Abbot and Costello<br>
== Reverting multiple instances of vandalism at once ==
Abe Fortas


When I add an "r", I get nothing, no Abrahams or anything else.
Hello! I have noticed some users reverting multiple edits, all of which containing vandalism, in one edit of their own. This is presumably not only more efficient, but leads to clarity in the history page. Is it possible for a regular user to do this simply, or does it require other privileges/automation? Thank you! [[User:BertyRussell|BertyRussell]] ([[User talk:BertyRussell|talk]]) 01:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


:Welcome to the Teahouse!. A 'normal' user can do this. Go to the history of the page, choose the edit before the first edit you wish to delete, and the last edit..... create the diff(erence) between them. Select revert above the most recent edit -- the right column--, you will be asked if you intend to revert multiple edits - accept that. Wahla! Regards, [[User:Ariconte|Ariconte]] ([[User talk:Ariconte|talk]]) 01:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
And so on. This is a purely arbitrary example, but I hope it serves to illustrate. What I would always get before would be a list of a dozen or so articles, which was limited but very often helpful. I checked my preferences but all I saw was "Disable the suggestions dropdown-lists of the search fields", which was unchecked as always. Any info or advice on this would be very welcome, thanks. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:I personally always use advanced search, but you can try google with the modifier site:en.wikipedia.org to force it to only search wikipedia (or just type "wikipedia" before your search query) [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ooh, thank you! [[User:BertyRussell|BertyRussell]] ([[User talk:BertyRussell|talk]]) 01:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:@[[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] Are you using the current default [[WP:VECTOR22]] skin? I find that its search box is better than for other, older, skins and the results for "Abr" are perfectly sensible, with the first suggestion being [[Abr]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for these suggestions, {{u|Cmrc23}} and {{u|Michael D. Turnbull}}. The Advanced search option does provide me with many good finds and I should have been using it previously, but Content pages gives me results like I used to get directly under the search text field only more of them. I checked my WP skin and saw I was using the current default but still not getting the suggestions, so then I could figure it was something on my end and checked to see if I had "Block scripts" activated in Brave Shields. I saw that I did, deactivated it and now I'm getting the suggestions as before. Sorry, false alarm, this wasn't a Wikipedia change as I wrongly suspected. It's interesting that I could get suggestions on pages I've frequented by turning "Block scripts" back on, and I'm curious as to how that works – I mean the apparently default behavior without whatever the script is. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 19:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::But wait a minute. Now I'm not getting the alternative search options (Content pages, Multimedia, Everything, Advanced). Claude AI tells me to type "Special:Search" in the search box to access these and this works, but I had them there just now today without doing this. (I couldn't have done it because I was unaware of the possibility.) So how did I have those options for a while but then didn't have them afterwards? And (what may be the same question) how do I get them without having to type "Special:Search" in the search box? I can do that, but it seems clunky and I have to remember the text to type it. [[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] ([[User talk:Bret Sterling|talk]]) 19:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: [[Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form]] [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Bret Sterling|Bret Sterling]] I assume that by turning on "Block scripts" Brave Shields is preventing [[Javascript]] from running in your browser. The problem is that, as [[WP:JAVASCRIPT]] explains, Java is a core part of how much of Wikipedia works, both the standard Mediawiki software and many optional extras like gadgets and userscripts. So, if you are prevernting that running, you are sacrificing functionality for security. Is there an option in Brave Shields to exempt the Wikipedia domain from the block? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Wikipedia Timezone ==
== How to change an erroneous photo of a historic person ? The Bancroft is wrong ! ==


Out of sheer curiosity, what Time zone does Wikipedia operate under? I'm in the Pacific Standard time zone, and the Did You Know... and On This Day... update at around 4:00pm every day. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
This is in reference to the 'Darius Ogden Mills' page. The photo shown is of his brother Edgar Mills, not Darius Ogden Mills. I happen to own an original photo of him and know of many other websites which also have the correct image of him so his identity is not in question at all. Please advise the best means for correcting this error. He's an important figure in California and Gold Rush history. I've been attempting to get the Bancroft to correct their image for over a year to no avail. They acknowledge the error, but are stuck in bureaucratic soup insofar as effecting the change.


:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] WP operates under [[UTC]] but you can change the defaults you see in your preferences. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Please advise....
::@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] That's okay, thank you! Honestly, the daily change at 4:00 helps me stick to my schedule. Since I almost always have Wikipedia open, I know it's time to take a break from my other computer-related work when the DYK and OTD changes.
:::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] Thanks for the quick reply, and my curiosity has been sated :) [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 20:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::That's wonderful ! [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Papiermark and other money from Weimar Germany ==
Thanks -


Hi, I inherited some German banknotes from between 1908 and 1923 and I was wondering wether I could upload scans of them to Wikimedia. I scanned them in out of personal interest and then thought they might be useful.
Michael [[User:Mercvapor|Mercvapor]] ([[User talk:Mercvapor|talk]]) 01:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
:Welcome to Wikipedia Michael. Did you mean [[:File:Darius Ogden Mills.jpg|this image]]? Uploader collected the image from [http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf8j49p34r&brand=calisphere&layout=metadata/ this page] which states the same thing. You can start by proposing the change at [[Talk:Darius_Ogden_Mills|article's talk page]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California|WikiProject California noticeboard]]. If you can somehow show the image you are going to upload is actually the image of Mills (like any other reliable site, any book etc which mentions the image), that will be very helpful! --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 05:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


My main question is about copyright, as in, do I have to ask someone for permission and if so who? But also whether I should digitally sharpen them and how do I properly sort them in? I'm quite new to this and any help is appreciated! The scans are at 1200dpi and saved as 98% JPEGs, with filesizes between 5 and 20MB.
== Finding and using my uploaded photos ==
I already skimmed over [[WP:IUP]] but couldn't find anything related to money or bank notes and I read the copyright data of [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GDR-1-Soviet_Germany-1_Deutsche_Mark_(1948).jpg this scan] but I'm unsure if this also applies to my case. [[User:Skylar Mlem|Skylar Mlem]] ([[User talk:Skylar Mlem#top|talk]]) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hello, do you know who made the designs for the original banknotes? You might want to review the copyright information for this file: [[:File:Banknote - Sächsische Bank zu Dresden - 100 Mark - 1911.jpg]] [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
I can't find my uploaded photos. I did once but can't remember how. After finding them I'd like to add them to a page. Can you help?
:Hello, @[[User:Skylar Mlem|Skylar Mlem]]. The best place to ask about this sort of question is [[WP:MCQ]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:: {{u|Skylar Mlem}} Another place, possibly better?, is at [[Wikipedia Commons]] where you will upload your images, and ultimately will have to defend copyright status. The help center for copyright issues at Commons is at [[c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]]. You might find this old, archived Commons discussion on the copyright status of {{slink|c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2012/07|German currency|nopage=yes}} interesting as well. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I welcome a new user? ==
David
[[User:Dcloydd|Dcloydd]] ([[User talk:Dcloydd|talk]]) 21:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia! You can find uploaded files by typing in the search bar <code><nowiki>[[File:Name of file.name of extension]]</nowiki></code>. And you add them to the article like this: <code><nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg]]</nowiki></code>. But it [[Special:ListFiles/Dcloydd|doesn't appear you've uploaded any files here]].<sup>[[User: King jakob c 2|<font color = "red">King</font>]]</sup> [[User talk: King jakob c 2|<font color = "green">Jakob</font>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/King jakob c 2|<font color = "blue">C2</font>]]</sub> 22:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
::Hellow Dcloydd. I believe [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Dcloydd these] are the files you are looking for. These are you WikimediaCommons uploads. And this is your Wikipdia account. They are on two different sites that you log into seperately. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 22:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


I noticed a new user that hasn't been welcomed yet. I've seen the templates used on other talk pages; should I just copy paste the source and adapt, or is there a welcome button I can use instead? [[User:guninvalid|guninvalid]] ([[User_Talk:guninvalid|talk]]) 22:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for responding Tito. I'm new to Wiki editing and the image error is frustrating me to no end. I can certainly prove that the image shown is wrong (he appears on various web sources) as Mills' appearance didn't change much his entire life. I happen to own the earliest known daguerreotype of him (c.1852) and he looks the same as he did in 1900.
:Hi @[[User:Guninvalid|Guninvalid]]. There are a number of [[:Category:Welcome templates|welcome templates]] to choose from. Also, if you enable [[WP:TWINKLE]], it has a dropdown menu that lets you select the welcome message that you want to leave on a user talk page, much easier that way. (Twinkle has a bunch of other really useful functions as well.) Hope that helps. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Guninvalid|Guninvalid]] this might be of use to you, [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee]] [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 22:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter anymore, the user I wanted to welcome got blocked by the checkuser. I only wanted to welcome them because I posted them on WP:AN and I noticed they had never been welcomed. [[User:guninvalid|guninvalid]] ([[User_Talk:guninvalid|talk]]) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Mystery Dungeon additional info ==
I'm assuming the vetting process at the 'talk' page starts with a particular individual (designated monitor, experienced editor, etc.)and they move forward with the change from there ? I'll attempt to start the correction there and see what transpires. Thanks for the direction.


Hey I just noticed that the mystery dungeon series is missing an entry and I wasnt sure where to ask to add it, this just seemed like the closest thing to an editor contact place. The entry in question is "Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy!" , released back in 2019 [[Special:Contributions/176.6.56.156|176.6.56.156]] ([[User talk:176.6.56.156|talk]]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Best,
:The article "[[Chocobo (series)|''Chocobo'' (series)]]" is not at all long; adequately referenced material about individual items in the series could be added to this article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== I have a edited page when I was not logged in,now I am logged in,how do I get it back? ==
Michael[[User:Mercvapor|Mercvapor]] ([[User talk:Mercvapor|talk]]) 02:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


How,how do I get it back? [[Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54|219.78.249.54]] ([[User talk:219.78.249.54|talk]]) 04:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Adding New Pages Based on Autobiographical Articles ==
:You were not logged in when you made this post. When you are correctly logged in, you can edit your userpage to reflect articles that you have worked on as an IP editor. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::And to find the pages you edited, look for your contributions: [[Special:Contributions/--Your-username--]]. eg [[Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54]] shows editing [[Residence Oasis]], but Sumanuil reverted all the edits. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 08:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Moving my English Wikipedia user page to media wiki for a global user page ==
Hello,
I am the online media editor at Annual Reviews in Palo Alto. I am trying to find out what the policy would be for me to add new articles on Wikipedia.
As part of Women's History Month, we are posting articles written by pioneering women in science. As we began to research them to provide our readers with some context, we've noticed that, much to our dismay, about a third of these women do not have a Wikipedia page explaining their work and contributions (whereas of course, their male collaborators all do).
What would be the policy if, as employees of AR, we created general profiles for these women and added at the bottom their articles, which all go into details about their careers? Would that be acceptable?
Thanks for your help.
Anna
[[User:Rascouet|Rascouet]] ([[User talk:Rascouet|talk]]) 18:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


I can move [[User:Anthony2106|my English user page]] to media wiki to have a global page for all sister projects? I know I can just ask to delete my English page and make a media wiki one but I kinda wanna move it for the edit history. If I can't move it to media wiki ill just move it to User:Anthony2106/old user page [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 04:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello Anna, welcome to the Teahouse! In my opinion, it would probably be ok as long as all the articles clearly demonstrated that the women scientists meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria (in this case, [[WP:PROF]] would be the most relevant). It would be better to use the ''Annual Reviews'' article as a reference to support some of the article's details, rather than an external link, as that would reduce the appearance of an advert for ''Annual Reviews'' which might cause problems. You might like to look at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women scientists|Wikiproject on Women Scientists]] and sound people out on its talk page for advice on specific articles you'd propose to create. Another thing you should probably do is to start a talk page for each article you create and clearly identify yourself there as an employee of ''Annual Reviews'', so that others can evaluate any possible conflict of interest. Hope this helps, [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 19:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:What you are asking for {{yo|Anthony2106}} is an [[WP:import|import]]. You would have to find an administrator on meta, but even so may not be actionable. Instead I would advise you just to create a new page yourself on meta, as you will find that many templates are unavailable there. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 08:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::You saying they will only import important things -- not user pages? Also i'm not worried about the templates as I can use {{:w to get wikipedia templates. [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 08:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::On this topic, I was wondering if making an account on english wikipedia counts as a global account for wikipedia purposes [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 10:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Cmrc23|Cmrc23]] Did you created your account on '''"Wikipedia in English language"''' as first account for projects of Wikimedia ? <br /> <br />
:::If you go on any Wikipedia language version or another Wikimedia project. If you click on '''"login" '''you can log into it.
:::I created my account on '''"French Wikipedia"''' as first account for projects of Wikimedia. <br /> <br />
:::I can create accounts with the stuff I explained. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::So there are not enough [[Wikipedia:Userbox|userboxes]] on meta-wiki and that trick {{w: didn't work so maybe ill just leave it on Wikipedia. [[User:Anthony2106|Anthony2106]] ([[User talk:Anthony2106|talk]]) 06:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Problematic BLP and stubifying ==
::It does! Thank you for your help with all this, I'll do exactly that. [[User:Rascouet|Rascouet]] ([[User talk:Rascouet|talk]]) 19:40, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


I've come across a [[WP:BLP|BLP]], [[Clifford M. Sobel]], which seems to be highly problematic. There is a high amount of unsourced information and likely [[WP:OR|original research]], and also substantial edits from a user named "SOBEL1" who I'm 90% sure has a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] or is a [[WP:UPE|UPE]]. Digging through the revision history, there doesn't seem to be much salvageable revisions/info to revert to, and I'm considering [[WP:STUBIFY|stubifying]] it. However, I have concerns regarding if I should do it or not. Should I try and seek consensus to do it, if so where? Should I contact [[WP:VRT|VRT]]? If anyone can give me an answer on this, it'd be appreciated. —[[User: Sparkle &#38; Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] <sup>[[User_talk:Sparkle &#38; Fade|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sparkle &#38; Fade|edits]]</sub> 06:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Why does the [[desert]] article not have an edit tab to make improvements? ==
:Thank you for the question, @[[User:Sparkle & Fade|Sparkle & Fade]]. Per [[WP:BLPRS]] (specifically: {{tq|'''contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion'''}} <small>emphasis not mine</small>), you should be free to remove such poorly sourced content since you're challenging it. Unless you're successful in finding good sources of course. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 06:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== 2024 events ==
Why does the [[desert]] article not have an edit tab to make improvements?[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Desert#Why_can.27t_I_edit_this_article.3F] [[User:KatieBoundary|KatieBoundary]] ([[User talk:KatieBoundary|talk]]) 18:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi KatieBoundary, welcome to the Teahouse! [[Desert]] is semi-protected, which means it cannot be edited by people without accounts, people logged out, or those whose accounts are very new. (This is usually because the article got a lot of vandalism from people without accounts.) As you have an account, if you were logged in, the lack of edit tab is probably because your account is less than four days old. You can request edits on the talk page but to be honest it might be easier just to wait till your account qualifies! Hope this helps, [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 18:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks, Espresso. I will just wait it out. [[User:KatieBoundary|KatieBoundary]] ([[User talk:KatieBoundary|talk]]) 19:03, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


What local incidents around the world, like the [[2024 Magdeburg car attack]] are allowed to be mentioned in the events section of the [[2024]] year article. [[User:Marksaeed2024|Marksaeed2024]] ([[User talk:Marksaeed2024|talk]]) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Use of pictures and copyright. ==
:Hello, {{u|Marksaeed2024}}. In my view, this tragic attack which has been the subject of significant coverage worldwide, ought to qualify. But potentially gigantic list articles such as year articles need to be restricted somewhat by consensus among editors interested in year articles, especially the current year. So, feel free to make a bold edit, but if you are reverted, [[Talk:2024]] is the place to make your thoughtful case. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== wtf? ==
What does it mean when a template under a posted image in an article says the following:


since the fuck when is "black people" a "radical" term????? so is "white people" also considered radical? i am very curious to know.. seems pretty fucking retarded..... [[Special:Contributions/68.142.49.124|68.142.49.124]] ([[User talk:68.142.49.124|talk]]) 08:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
This non-free media file should be replaced with a smaller version to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content policy and United States copyright law. According to Wikipedia's policy for non-free content, the amount of copyrighted work used under fair use should be as little as possible. In particular, non-free media on Wikipedia should not be usable as substitutes for the original work. A high-resolution non-free image is questionable fair use and may be deleted per Wikipedia's copyright policy.
:Where did you see it being called radical? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Can we watch the vulgar language here? We try to be friendly and civil on this page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:If you look at [[Black people]] it says "racialized classification", not "radical" [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 10:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== New page for author ==
The size of an image may be reduced in an image editing program or by saving and re-uploading a suitably sized thumbnail.
Once a reduced version of this file has been uploaded, please replace this template with {{Non-free reduced|date=}}.


Hello
What if the poster of said image DOESN'T reduce the size of said image? What can you do or who can you appeal to?[[User:METOKNOWONLY|METOKNOWONLY]] ([[User talk:METOKNOWONLY|talk]]) 16:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:Wikipedia uses content that has as free a license as possible. Non Free images must be a small file, low resolution version of the image. If the uploader does not compy it is likely the image will eventually be deleted. There is a notice board for this issues to be brought up at [[Wikipedia:Non-free content review]]. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 22:30, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


i am a published author quoted on two Wikipedia pages . I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. This is my basic text:
== Researchers ==


Sarah Bax Horton is a British author of true crime and historical biography. Her first two books, One-armed Jack: Uncovering the Real Jack the Ripper (Michael O’Mara Books, 2023) and Arm of Eve: investigating the Thames Torso Murders were inspired by her great-great grandfather who worked on those original investigations.
Is it Wikipedia policy to include minor edits, experimental edits and every single edit for research and author attribution purposes? [[Special:Contributions/182.189.44.226|182.189.44.226]] ([[User talk:182.189.44.226|talk]]) 14:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi, don't know about research purposes but for attribution every edit, large or small is recorded. [[User:Nthep|NtheP]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 15:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


:Proper attribution is in fact a condition of the Creative Commons copyright licence that is used for the vast majority of content (including all original text) on all WikiMedia Foundation projects. Take a look at the text immediately above the "Save page" button at the bottom of the edit window. [[User:Dodger67|Roger]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 15:30, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Bax Horton proposed new prime suspects in each of her published works, putting forward East End cigar maker Hyam Hyams as Jack the Ripper and Thames waterman James Crick as the Thames Torso Killer. [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 09:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Actually, it is okay to only list the authors of significant material throughout the history of an article for attribution purposes. The relevant policy is [[WP:REUSE|this one]]; in it, under the section titled "Re-use of text under Creative Commons Attribute Share-Alike", you can see some options that satisfy the attribution requirement. The usual way to do it is to provide a link to the Wikipedia page itself, but one of the alternatives reads as follows: "a list of all authors. (Any list of authors may be filtered to exclude very small or irrelevant contributions." So, yes, it's all right for you to do that. It's probably best to err on the side of caution when deciding whether a contribution is small or irrelevant, but in most cases, it should be pretty straightforward. Cheers! [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] ([[User talk: Writ Keeper|t]] + [[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|c]]) 15:42, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


:Read this : [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest]]. Write about yourself isn't a thing to do. <br />
== Can you please help me. ==
:Do you want more informations ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 09:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|SCC68}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]]. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say about topics that meet our special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:N|notability]]- like [[WP:NAUTHOR|a notable author]]. Also note that a Wikipedia article is [[WP:PROUD|not necessarily desirable]]. There are good reasons to not want one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::and please don't promote your book on the [[Thames Torso Murders]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I am an expert on this subject wishing to update an out of date and misleading page. I am also an author of books on this subject. [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 13:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:SCC68|SCC68]], not an article, but [[Sarah Bax Horton]] is now a redirect. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SCC68|SCC68]] ([[User talk:SCC68|talk]]) 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


:[[User:SCC68|SCC68]], you write: {{Olive|I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help.}} People in a number of dodgy little companies are likely to read this, think "Maybe she'll pay" and may then solicit your business. (Perhaps individual Wikipedia editors will do the same.) But if you're wise, you'll ignore such offers. Please read and digest what's said in "[[Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning]]". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi there


== Messed up title when reverting a non-discussed page move. Not sure how to proceed. ==
would you please do me a favor, would please help to fix the References on this page, i mean like removing the numbers that came on the top of the References, cause i have been trying to remove it, but it so hard. So would you please hlep????


Hi. I don't know whether it's appropriate to ask but I messed up reverting a page move on the [[Man vs. Baby|Man vs. Bee]] article. (renamed it to the upcoming sequel show, not the original by mistake), and I cannot fix it as another redirect article already exists. I'm unsure how to fix it and I have royally messed up. Thanks.&nbsp;[[User:Cheezknight|Cheezknight]] ([[User talk:Cheezknight|talk]]) 11:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Etiennebaheza|Etiennebaheza]] ([[User talk:Etiennebaheza|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Etiennebaheza|contribs]]) 10:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Hi {{u|Cheezknight}}, I've moved the page back to [[Man vs. Bee]] for you. Let me know if everything looks good now! If a similar issue happens again, feel free to submit a request at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests]]. That page is watched by a lot of [[WP:PAGEMOVER|page movers]], who have more extensive permissions relating to moving and renaming articles than most users. [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 15:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, Etienne, and welcome to the Teahouse! I assume the article to which you're referring is [[A.T.M JEFF]]. There are a series of footnote numbers arrayed at the bottom of the Filmography section, and I think that's what you mean.
::Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it as I was stumped on what to do. I don't usually move/ merge articles so thanks for fixing it and for pointing me in the right direction if future issues occur. [[User:Cheezknight|Cheezknight]] ([[User talk:Cheezknight|talk]]) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Citations ==
:The footnote numbers appear there because that's where the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags are located. Rather than just removing them, those tags should be moved into the article proper, immediately following the statement to which they apply.


How to present a citation? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B|2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B|talk]]) 12:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:If you need help with referencing, please read [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]], and of course you can always ask for clarification here. Thanks!


:See "Referencing" at [[WP:TUTORIAL]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:-- [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 15:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


== Im trying to make a page for Jessica Christine Ritchie ==
:: Also worth reading [[WP:Referencing for beginners]]. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 15:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
{{cot|Proposed article content}}
'''Jessica Christine Ritchie''', is an American entrepreneur, artist, and educator Who is of Apache and Blackfoot heritage. She is the founder of '''DeerWomen''', a luxury tea and beauty brand that merges herbal remedies with esoteric traditions.


== Book Cover Image & Copyright ==
=== Early Life and Education ===
Jessica Christine was born in California and raised in Spokane, Washington. Her upbringing amidst the natural landscapes of the Pacific Northwest nurtured a deep appreciation for nature, mythology, and esoteric sciences. She pursued her education at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium. Along her journey, she was mentored by notable figures, including author Francesca Lia Block and scholar Maja D'Aoust, further shaping her interdisciplinary approach to creativity and learning.


=== Career ===
I want to add a few books(with their individual wiki page) to an author's page that already exists on wiki. But then I realized it is almost impossible to get Book Cover image that meets Wiki's requirements. Most of the books are still in copy right. Then I looked around and saw some existing book wiki page that simply uses book cover image that's not-free, but with low resolution, and with explanation that such cover won't impact book sale. Is that the standard way to go? or are there other ways to get nice Book Cover image for a book page? [[User:Ossobuco|Ossobuco]] ([[User talk:Ossobuco|talk]]) 07:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:Welcome to Teahouse! Yes, you can use low resolution images (if possible, image of book cover of first edition), but, don't add multiple images in one book cover! Another way is, you can contact the publisher (through their website's "contact" link and etc and [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission|request content permission]], theoretically it is better option, practically you'll almost never hear back anything)! --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 07:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
::LOL, okay, low res image it is. I will try to find first edition ones. Thank you so much! [[User:Ossobuco|Ossobuco]] ([[User talk:Ossobuco|talk]]) 07:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Just remember to provide permissions of license if you are providing one and uploading as anything but "fair use". Book covers would need to have a fair use upload using a rationale . You can use [[Template:Non-free use rationale]] along with <nowiki>{{Non-free fair use in|image has rationale=yes}}</nowiki> as the license.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 08:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


==== DeerWomen ====
::::Also note that non-free book cover images are OK in articles about the books themselves, but should not be used in articles about authors. See the the wording of [[:Template:Non-free book cover]].--[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 02:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
In 2016, Jessica founded '''DeerWomen''', a luxury tea and beauty brand. The brand reflects her passion for blending herbal remedies and ritualistic recipes with symbolic narratives drawn from folklore. DeerWomen offers a curated collection of products designed to enhance vitality and natural beauty, emphasizing the connection between self-care and authenticity. Relaunched in Antwerp, Belgium, in 2022, the brand’s offerings are now available in select stockists across the USA and Europe.


==== Creative Direction and STEM Education ====
== destructive revert ==
Jessica’s career extends beyond entrepreneurship. She has worked as a Creative Director, organizing international events that catered to high-profile dignitaries, including Belgian royalty. As a STEM educator, Jessica has taught coding and 3D printing using innovative methods involving gaming and robotics, showcasing her dedication to integrating technology with creative expression.


=== Personal Philosophy ===
Hi there, I just had two weeks of edits to an article reverted based on a spurious claim that my sources did not meet Wikipedia standards. In fact all my edits have been sourced with from established scholarly sources, or primary sources in the occult literature. The article I have created has been a marked improvement over the article that was there before. In fact I began editing the article because the article called for attention from an EXPERT on the occult tarot, of which I am. The sources that I have added to the article include
Jessica’s work is profoundly influenced by her Apache and Blackfoot heritage and a deep connection to nature. She advocates for personal rituals and self-care as essential elements of beauty, encouraging individuals to define beauty on their own terms. According to Jessica, true beauty arises when people engage passionately with activities they love.


=== Legacy and Influence ===
*^ Ronald Decker and Michael Dummett, History of the Occult Tarot, London: Duckworth, 2002 ISBN 978-0715631225
Jessica’s work bridges art, science, and cultural heritage, inspiring others to pursue their unique paths with intention and creativity. Her ability to harmonize traditional wisdom with modern practices makes her a significant figure in the realms of beauty, education, and entrepreneurship.
*^ Paul Huson Mystical Origins of the Tarot: From Ancient Roots to Modern Usage, Vermont: Destiny Books, 2004 ISBN 978-0892811908
*^ Robert Place, The Tarot: History, Symbolism, and Divination, New York: Tarcher/Penguin, 2005 ISBN 978-1585423491
* Ronald Decker and Michael Dummett. A history of the occult tarot, 1870-1970. London: Duckworth, 2002. ISBN 0715610147.
* a b c d Michael Dummett. The Game of Tarot. London: Duckworth, 1980. ISBN 0715631225
* R. Steele. A notice of the Ludus Triumphorum and Some Early Italian Card Games: With Some Remarks on the Origin of the Game of Cards,' Archaelogia, vol LVII, 1900. pp. 185-200
*^ P.D. Ouspensky. The Symbolism of the tarot: philosophy of occultism in pictures and numbers. Dover Publications. 1976
*^ Inna Semetsky. Tarot images and spiritual education: the three I’s model. International Journal of Children’s Spirituality. 16(3): 249–260. 2011
*^ Eliphas Levi. The Key of the Mysteries. Translated by Aleister Crowley. Red Wheel/Weiser. 2002 ISBN 0877280789
*^ John Beeb. A Tarot Reading on the Possibility of Nuclear War. Psychological Perspectives: A Quarterly Journal of Jungian Thought. 16(1): 97-106. pp. 97
*^ Sallie Nichols. The Wisdom of the Fool. Psychological Perspective: A Quarterly Journal of Jungian Thought. 5(2): 97-116. 1974
*^ Inna Semetsky. When Cathy was a Little Girl: The Healing Praxis of Tarot Images. International Journal of Children's Spirituality. 15(1): 59-72. 2010. pp. 59


=== See Also ===
I am relying extensively on DUMMETT who is a respected authority in the field. Can I just go ahead and undo the revert? and can I get a better explanation from the fellow who did the revert on why he would do that? Mike Sosteric PhD 23:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


* [https://www.Deerwomen.com/ DeerWomen Website]
the current revert takes it back to a time when wiki officials were calling for attention from an expert, when it less scholarly than it was after my intervention, and when the actual citations came primarily from occult authors themselves, and NOT established historical experts (like Dummett).
* [https://www.missingwitches.com/ep-151-wf-jessica-ritchie-finding-your-own-path-is-key/ Jessica Christine on Missing Witches Podcast]
{{cob}}
----''This article is a summary of Jessica Christine Ritchie Magdaleno’s professional and personal journey.'' [[User:Qualek|Qualek]] ([[User talk:Qualek|talk]]) 14:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


:This looks largely promotional - which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Furthermore this text does not contain any independent secondary sources. Simply put - this text is inappropriate for Wikipedia as it stands. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinatory,_esoteric_and_occult_tarot. {{grey|Seems to be posted by}} [[User:Dr.Sosteric]] [[User_talk:Dr.Sosteric|talk]] at 23:09, 11 March 2013‎ (UTC) <small>sign added by [[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 23:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small>


:Hello, {{U|Qualek}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Hi, you'll notice that I kept most of your edit to the introduction, but not this section: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Divinatory,_esoteric_and_occult_tarot&oldid=543506044#The_Occult_Tarot], which if anything, should probably just be a single well written short paragraph. Note that you are expected to discuss the issue on the article talk page, as is highlighted in [[WP:BRD]]. [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 23:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:{{HD/WINI}} So writing an article ''starts'' with finding reliable independent sources (see [[WP:42|42]]). What you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it can be verified from a published source. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:* <s>Welcome to Teahouse! Have you tried to discuss it with the editor or at its talk page? --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]])</s> Editor in question is already replying! --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 23:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


== How I can improve my page? ==
:::NO, you took out a substantial portion of the history of the occult and divinatory tarot, a history that is both sourced in established historical work, and relevant to the title of the document. You have stripped out tons of historical detail, all properly sourced, all relevant to the article, and all deeply informative and interesting to a Sociologist like myself. I have been building a history of the the occult and cartomantic tarot, providing links to primary sources, building a comparison of occult and cartomantic decks, incorporating reference suggestions by other users, and generally improving the scholarly quality of the article. I am doing this as part of my own research program into the tarot, and as part of an article I am writing entitled The Sociology of the Western Tarot, which I will publish in an established scholarly journal. If the article is too long now it can certainly be shortened after completion but your reversion lowers the quality of the article.


Hi, I write here a few days ago, to ask if you all can help me to get my page approved (name page: [[Bove Path]]), and you all help me but also all my colleagues to get our draft page approved (we really appreciate your help).
I began editing this article because in an earlier version of that article there was a call for expert attention


I found myself here again to ask you what I can improve to possibly increase the score of the page. I already add the sources that were missing, as one of you recommended, any more suggestion? thank you in advance. [[User:LIUCChia.05|LIUCChia.05]] ([[User talk:LIUCChia.05|talk]]) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
{{tl|Expert-subject|Occult|type=article|date=June 2009}}


:You can add pronunciation in "[[Italian language]]" indicated in "[[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]]". [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 14:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I thought I could contribute my scholarly expertise, training, and the research I was currently doing to improving the article. I am doing this as part of my research at Athabasca University into the scholarly utility of the wiki (see my talk page "The Revolution that is" for a research note that hopefully be published in the International Review of Research into Open and Distance Education (currently under review). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dr.Sosteric#Dr.Sosteric.2C_you_are_invited_to_the_Teahouse.
::[[Bove Path]] is rated C-class. See [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]] to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Where can we see class of an article ? [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved.
:::::Back to article - in my opinion Biodiversity should be limited to what is near the trail, not the entire park. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Even if the path cross the park itself? it is not a dispersive area you can find and encounter, with a bit of luck, all those species during the trekking itself. [[User:LIUCChia.05|LIUCChia.05]] ([[User talk:LIUCChia.05|talk]]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I have reassessed the article as "B". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for you help ! Now , I know where to find the class of an article. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 19:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Diffs ==
You have reverted to a version of the article contemporaneous with that appeal, and removed that appeal to make it look as if the article is now an improvement over my contributions, which it is not. If you have a concern with article length you should have raised that on my talk page and asked me to deal with it, rather than stomping in an undoing clos to forty hours of research labour. You should also have identified the specific "self published" sources you refer to (there may be one, which I'm more than happy to take out). But again, a note on my talk page would have shown more respect for my work than you have shown.


I always forget the best way to show a "diff" in a post. Can someone explain to me how I'd show [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ilhan_Omar&diff=prev&oldid=1264616325 this edit], in a diff? Did I do it right? Just link the URL? I feel as if some editors do it so seamlessly and easily. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
You're not making a good case for the scholarly utility of the wiki when you stomp in like that and just erase the contributions of a scholar hard at work on the article. I am quite offended and put off by this.


:Thank you for the question, @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]. Yes, you linked the diff perfectly. There are also other ways to link diffs which you may or may not find easier. You can see [[Help:Diff#Linking to a diff]] for more examples. Here's one form I really like to use:
Mike Sosteric PhD 23:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)\\
:Typing this---> <nowiki>[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]</nowiki>
:Would create this--->[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]
:I hope this all helps! [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::For articles, the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Who_Wrote_That%3F Who Wrote That?] browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::It does. {{smiley}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 17:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] Assuming you're using a PC to edit, clicking "page history" at the top right will show you the list of revisions the page has went through. Each revision has "prev" and "cur" next to them. Clicking prev will show you the difference (''diff!'') with that revision and the previous one. Cur will show the difference between that revision and the current one. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 16:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|Iljhgtn}}, please read my essay [[User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing]]. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Are "phone edits" logged any differently in your contribution history than PC-based edits? 100,000 on the phone is an impressive achievement! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 19:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I was a bit discouraged to try phone editing too after the incident where there was a recent admin that seemed to really assault someone for trying to use phone editing and then it became a real ordeal for them to come back into editing. Though it looks like that admin has lost their adminship, rightfully so, so maybe I will look into it again. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 22:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::You can force the visual editor in any namespace by adding ''?veaction=edit'' to the end of the URL (for example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skarmory?veaction=edit would let me access my user talk page in VE). <span style="background-color: black">[[User:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">Skarmory</span>]] [[User talk:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">(talk •</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">contribs)</span>]]</span> 20:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== I'm really not sure why my article was declined. ==
:ok, i read the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and will move this into the talk page. I'm shacking my head though at the extra work this is creating for me just because you didn't bother to carefully check the citations I added to the document, or ask about the historical detail before you went ahead and reverted. The sections you deleted had the most authoritative sources in the entire article.
'''Please consider moving this content dispute to the article's talk page. If you can not reach consensus there, seek [[WP:resolution|dispute resolution]]. Thanks''' — '''[[User:Nerdfighter|<font color=#088A08>nerd</font color=#088A08>]][[User_Talk:Nerdfighter|<font color=#0489B1>fighter</font color=#0489B1>]]''' 01:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


It is a biography of a living person who created a global food chain and is now writing poetry and songs. His journey to Canada was significant. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 16:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Rollback ==
:You will need to show how he could pass the criteria at [[WP:GNG]], your draft gives no indication of that so far. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 16:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Presumed - there is coverage in the Toronto Star Business section and in multiple newspapers globally. Many of the smaller papers have not archived all of their papers. Andy has a poem in the Kennedy Accessions Library (accessible online).
::Significant coverage - no additional research is needed to extract the content. The history of his coming to Canada and how he grew his business here are clearly laid out.
::Reliable - as mentioned above, I used verifiable sources and for a few instances, the smaller papers have not archived all of their earlier articles.
::Sources - I have used secondary sources.
::Independent of the subject - there are many messages of congratuations and thanks for participating in events. I was having difficulty uploading their private photos.
::If you can tell me what is wrong I can fix it. Right now I don't know what is wrong. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] You appear to have written that article [[WP:BACKWARDS]]. Please read that essay and if and when you have found [[WP:RS|appropriate sources]] start again. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I am feeling frustrated right now. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello, @[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]], and welcome to the Teahouse.
::::I'm afraid that that frustration is a common experience for editors who start editing Wikipedia and immediately plunge into the challenging task of creating an article without spending time learning how Wikipedia works first. Would you enter a major competation in a sport you have only just taken up? Would you expect to understand the feedback you got if you did?
::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
::::When Shantavira says you have written your draft backwards, that is a link to a page that explains; but in short: you appear to have written what you know and then looked for sources. Baldly, Wikipedia doesn't care what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia only cares about material that is verified by reliable published sources, so writing an article ''starts'' by finding such sources. Then, if you have found several sources which each meet the criteria in [[WP:42]], you can start writing a summary of what those sources say (not what you know). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]], its not about time sequence. First, find the multiple reliable independent sources that describe the topic. Each such source must be in-depth, reliably published, and independent of the subject, all three at the same time. Next, write the article using only those sources. That is writing an article in the proper direction. Backward is writing what you know and looking for sources to support it later. That is almost never successful. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 17:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you StarryGrandma...at least this helps me know what to do. [[User:CLWwrites|CLWwrites]] ([[User talk:CLWwrites|talk]]) 17:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::To expand on this, we are asking you to show that he is already well-known by providing material that people independent of him have written in-depth about him and published in places with editorial oversight. If he is not already well-known then he can still be a significant person, but we don't include him in this encyclopedia. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 17:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Race condition on talk page? ==
I think I would be a good rollbacker, using the function to help me patrol new pages more efficiently. However, I definitely don't think I've been around long enough to apply for rollback, seeing my account is 11 days old. What would be a good time to wait before I apply? [[User:Revolution1221|Revolution1221]] ([[User talk:Revolution1221|talk]]) 23:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
* Welcoem to Teahouse! In my opinion, wait for 2 months and make 1000+ edits and 100+ reverts before applying. Now, use tool like [[WP:Twinkle]]. You can enrol at [[WP:CVUA]] --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 23:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


It seems like two people welcomed me to Wikipedia at the same time (thank you to [[User:Clovermoss]] and [[User:Masterhatch]] by the way), which has led to two different revisions [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaqubroli&oldid=1264673640][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaqubroli&oldid=1264673646] where the current revision doesn't have the past revision's message and vice versa. What is the proper thing to do here? Should I "merge" the two revisions so both messages are visible? [[User:Yaqubroli|<span style="display: inline-block; font-size: 12px; background-color: black; color: white; font-family: monospace; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px; border-radius:3px;">YAQUBROLI</span>]] 18:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Revolution1221, to add a little to that, there are no hard and fast requirements for rollback, although like Tito said you have a higher chance of getting it if you have more experience here. The rollback granting admin will be looking mostly at your ability to clearly distinguish [[WP:VAN|vandalism]] from good faith edits. To allow that, the more experience you have at anti-vandalism, the better. [[User:Chamal_N|Chamal]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#808080;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|C]]</sup> 00:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


:Hello, @[[User:Yaqubroli|Yaqubroli]], and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can "merge" the two revisions, make both messages visible, and say so in the [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]]. Please see also [[Help:Edit conflict#Resolving an edit conflict]]. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== How to add interwikis (after the launch of Wikidata) ==
::Tangentially, I prefer to link revisions like so: [[Special:Permalink/cur]], replacing <code>cur</code> with the revision ID (the number after <code>&oldid=</code>). Doing something similar with [[Special:Diff]] shows what was changed from the previous version. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Awesome, that is way less clunky. Thanks! [[User:Yaqubroli|<span style="display: inline-block; font-size: 12px; background-color: black; color: white; font-family: monospace; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 5px; border-radius:3px;">YAQUBROLI</span>]] 19:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Question ==
I have not followed it properly. Can someone tell me how to add interwikis now for new articles? Should I edit the Wikidata page? --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 21:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:Yes. Go to the Wikidata entry, scroll to "List of pages linked to this item", click "[add]" then enter the language (it will provide a dropdown list as you type and automatically provide the country code), then fill in the exact name of the article on the other language Wikipedia. As soon as you save, the entry here (and at all other language Wikipedias) should display the language you added. Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 22:15, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::Excellent! And how I'll add the Wikdata entry in the new article, for example this [[:bn:হ্যানসেন ক্লার্ক]], the English article has been updated, not the Bengali one! Good wishes!--[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 23:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:::They're showing now after I purged the Bengali page's cache (I clicked edit, then change the end of the URL from <code>&action=edit</code> to <code>&action=purge</code>, and then clicked return). Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 00:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


If an editor makes several blatantly RGW arguments for removing sections of content, refuses to read sources contradicting his arguments on the grounds that {{tq|I have been editing in this area for years and am very confident that no source exists}} and then states that what he really wants is for this article to redirect to a completely different article but that since he can’t do that he’s instead {{tq|grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.}} but also that he doesn’t want to, and would much rather {{tq|save ourselves some time and just do the redirect}},
== List of DYK credits ==


Does that become a conduct issue?&nbsp;[[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]] ([[User talk:Snokalok|talk]]) 19:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there any list somewhere (Toolserver) where list of DUK credits received by an editor is listed? (Searching in talk page is not very helpful!) --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 21:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:@[[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]], [[Talk:21st-century_anti-trans_movement_in_the_United_Kingdom#NPOV|the ongoing discussion]] is about a contentious topic. I don't see any ''conduct'' issues in the discussion, just very strong opinions on both sides. It does seem as though you've cherry-picked quotes out of context; for example, the full sentence was {{tq|But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty.}} I recommend that you all continue to work through the issue via discussion. You can see [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]] for other options. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Schazjmd|Schazjmd]] The fuller quote was {{tq|But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect.}}, operative phrase being “we could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect”, implying that is still the course of
::action being pursued and that, one way or another, the result is the same.
::Regardless, my assessments have been wrong before, hence why I ask here instead of at ANI [[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]] ([[User talk:Snokalok|talk]]) 20:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The even fuller quote is {{tq|The bold move would be to redirect this article to [[Gender-critical feminism]] on [[WP:POVFORK]] grounds. Since I expect that would be immediately reverted, I am attempting to gain consensus first. It's good if you now agree that the passage in question is inappropriate and can be removed. But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect. What do you think?}} {{pb}}I would not recommending going to ANI with this, @[[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]]. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Would like some feedback ==
:I do not believe such a tool exists. However, if you looked through Toolserver or WM-Labs you might find one. [[User:Shaun9876|<span style="color:green"> §haun</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun9876|<span style="color:red">9∞76</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Shaun9876|<font color="black"><sup>༆</sup></font>]] 23:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


I have just, well you could say, abusing the recent changes page for things i need to revert. I've done my first few and it's going very quickly reverting all these users. Thoughts? [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::I don't know of any such tool, but a lot of regular DYK contributors keep their own lists. [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs]] lists many (though not all) of the contributors with at least 25 credits for creation/expansion or nomination, with links to their personal lists. Hope this is of use to you! [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 18:44, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


:I don't see anything wrong with that and I have no knowledge of any Wikipedia guideline articles discouraging/forbidding those actions. I, myself, have done the same before multiple times and I know a couple of Users doing the same thing as well. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== original research ==
::Thank you very much. [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]]. What you're doing is actually encouraged and quite the noble act. Patrolling recent changes is a very efficient strategy to fighting vandalism. If you wish, you can download some tools like [[WP:Twinkle]] or [[WP:Ultraviolet]] to make this process even quicker. Those scripts also give you options to [[wp:warn|warn]] problematic editors in the hopes of preventing future disruptive editing.{{pb}}If you continue this process for a month, successfully reverting and warning vandals with those tools, you can request to get [[Wp:Rollback]] permissions at [[WP:RFP/R]]. Just keep in mind, the goal of reverting vandalism is not a race against other patrollers. Be slow and cautious if need be. Thank you for joining the fight against vandalism! [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::WE STAND UNITED AGAINST VANDALISM! [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Lol. [[User:Tarlby|<span style="color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''Tarl''</span><span style="color:orange;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''by''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tarlby|''t'']]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tarlby|''c'']])</sup> 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yeah I can be a bit chaotic sometimes xD [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I put the humorous userbox on my user page [[User:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺]] ([[User talk:千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺|talk]]) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Maintenance template removal? ==
I read somewhere on WIKI that you can't include original research. I'm ok with that but does somebody know where the official policy statement is? Mike Sosteric PhD 19:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dr.Sosteric|Dr.Sosteric]] ([[User talk:Dr.Sosteric|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Sosteric|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Mike, the page you're after is [[Wikipedia:No original research]] or [[WP:OR]] as it's commonly abbreviated. [[User:Nthep|NtheP]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 19:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello, I've made an [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bushbury_North&diff=prev&oldid=1264843052 edit] and I was wondering if the sources that I added justify removal of the “This article '''does not [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite]] any [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|sources]]'''. Please help [[Special:EditPage/Bushbury North|improve this article]] by [[Help:Referencing for beginners|adding citations to reliable sources]]” template at the top of the article? Also, are my sources good? I read [[Help:Maintenance template removal]]. [[User:Samolukadjo|Samolukadjo]] ([[User talk:Samolukadjo|talk]]) 21:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::THANK!! [[Special:Contributions/198.53.88.157|198.53.88.157]] ([[User talk:198.53.88.157|talk]]) 19:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


:Since you have cited sources, the template has done its job and now it should be removed. (Or it could be replaced by [[Template:More citations needed|this template]]). [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 21:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Alexis Houston article ==


== Username question ==
Hello there,


Hi there! I've bumped into a user whose name includes "42069". I checked through the username policy, and I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing that ought to be reported anyplace? Would it be considered "inappropriate" enough?
I am wondering why this article was declined. I provided reference and links as requested. Not sure what the issue is?I have been working on this article for a while and I am very confused on the issue.


The user showed up about a week ago, tried to upload and insert a couple of copyrighted images (deleted and reverted, respectively), and hasn't done anything since, so it's not really an immediate need - this is mostly for my own curiosity if a situation like this pops up in the future. [[User:NekoKatsun|NekoKatsun]] ([[User talk:NekoKatsun|nyaa]]) 21:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Alexis_Houston
:{{nacc}} {{ping|NekoKatsun}} I don't think strings of numbers are prohibited from being used in usernames, unless perhaps when read aloud they're something really vulgar that pretty much most people would clearly understand and find offensive. Even if this particular string of numbers means what Google says it can mean, I don't think that it meets such a standard. You can, however, ask for administrator input at [[:WP:AN]] or [[:WP:UAA]] if you want, but it's probably better to just ignore it. If the account resumes editing and starts creating problems unreleated to its name, then you can seek administrator action because of that. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure they do indeed mean what Google says they do, and I can recall at least one instance where someone faced a lot of heat for having, ostensibly, the last two digits of their birth year in their username, which just so happened to be 88 (a white supremacist thing). I wanted to err on the side of caution.
::Since they're not doing anything I'll ignore, although that username sure won't do them any favors if they start back up with their copyright problems. Thanks for the reply! [[User:NekoKatsun|NekoKatsun]] ([[User talk:NekoKatsun|nyaa]]) 23:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I get enough credible sources when interviews go beyond webpages but videos, podcasts, etc? ==
This the first page I have ever built and I thought it would much easier.


Hi,
Thanks so much
Judy [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:C000:3E00:CA2:3491:6B52:16FE|2604:2000:C000:3E00:CA2:3491:6B52:16FE]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:C000:3E00:CA2:3491:6B52:16FE|talk]]) 17:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse, Judy. I suggest that you study [[WP:MUSICBIO]], which is our guideline on notability of musical performers. It is important to have properly formatted references to reliable sources that give significant coverage to the performer. Almost all blogs, except those few with professional fact checking and editorial control are unacceptable as reliable sources on Wikipedia, and should be removed. Sources that discuss unsubstantiated rumors are problematic, since they reflect poorly on other people, Matt Lauer in this case. Any claim likely to be challenged must be referenced to a reliable source. It may be that this person doesn't yet meet Wikipedia's notability standards, but I am withholding judgment on that for now. Good luck and feel free to ask for clarification if anything I have said isn't clear. [[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]] 20:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::Hi, Judy. [https://www.google.com/search?q=Alexis+Houston&aq=f&oq=Alexis+Houston&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=qB3tedF7o_WpqY_vb76JkQ&ds=n&pq=Alexis%20Houston&cp=1&gs_id=t&xhr=t&q=%22Alexis%20Houston%22&es_nrs=true&pf=p&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22Alexis+Houston%22&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.b2I&fp=1b191f8d5f382dc4&biw=1335&bih=792 here] you will find the Google News search for your subject. I am sorry to say I don't have the time right now to read any of the listings, but it is there that you will find [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for your subject. It is of course, not the only place, but reliable sources are sources that are in some way fact checked, like newspapers (or their web equivalents), magazines or books. You can try a Google Book search, but for younger subjects, that will generally not get you many results. For the things in the websearch to be of use for showing notability, they have to be primarily about your subject, not just quoting her on another subject. And keep in mind, when we say notability here at Wikipedia, we are referring to the specific standards for inclusion in the encyclopedia (in this case[[WP:MUSICBIO]]), not to the person's importance or fame. Encyclopedias are tertiary sources, that is, we only write about what others have written about. So in order for an article to be included, you have to show that others are writing about it. I hope that simplifies this a bit for you. [[User:Gtwfan52|Gtwfan52]] ([[User talk:Gtwfan52|talk]]) 21:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


I'm trying to write a biography about an important contemporary muralist. His work has been in two Asian Art Museums in addition to murals all over the world and for corporations. He has many interviews; I included some in the citations but they were not accepted. Would love any guidance. Thank you [[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]] ([[User talk:Rnza45|talk]]) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Vandalism on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films:_numbers How do I undo it?? ==


:The AFC reviewer has left a comment saying that, "Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines". Some faults noted by me was the way the sections were displayed and most of the citations were unreliable and not properly generated. There's also no hyperlinks and no infobox. Fixing those faults would probably help your chance for the biography to be accepted. Hope this helps. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 22:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I discovered the following edit recently. Somebody had edited the list of movies and reversed the last two digits of the dates on several movies!! For example, a film made in 1907 became a film made in 1970!! Unfortunately several changes had been made on top of this change as people slowly fixed the damage. I tried to undo these changes so I could get rid of the vandalism change; however, I can't seem to undo the changes in a way I am allowed to change back the real damage. It keeps saying I need to do this manually!! Any suggestions????
:Hello, @[[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]], and welcome to the Teahouse.
:You have made several common beginners' errors: you have created your draft on your user page, which is not the right place for it. You have written your draft [[WP:BACKWARDS|BACKWARDS]] (writing from what you know, and then looking for sources) - Wikipedia doesn't care what you know: it only cares what independent reliable sources say about the subject. And {{HD/WINI}} So interviews don't count towards establishing [[WP:notability|notability]].
:There's nothing wrong with making mistakes: that's how we all learn. But newcomers who plunge straight into the challenging task of crating a new article often get frustrated and disillusioned. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that).
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 23:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for the thorough reply. Where is the correct place to write a draft?
::I don’t know why you think I cited sources backwards; I didn’t start that way. I did go back after I thought I needed more outside sources. I did look up what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, but I need to understand this better. I thought I went back and added, but they still dont seem to meet the criteria. I pulled from LA Times, ABC News, NPR, art websites and a local wiki.
::I did not write the article about myself. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D|2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D|talk]]) 00:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The correct place to write a draft is [[WP:Article Wizard]]. [[User:Ivebeenhacked|Hacked]] ([[User talk:Ivebeenhacked|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked|Contribs]]) 00:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


I have moved the draft to [[Draft:Dave Young Kim]], [[User:Rnza45|Rnza45]]. Please remove the CoI template from it, and affix the former to your user page.
23:55, 26 February 2013‎ 173.237.99.9 (talk)‎ . . (21,145 bytes) (+42)‎ . . (undo)
[[User:Bobnuckolls|Bobnuckolls]] ([[User talk:Bobnuckolls|talk]]) 17:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


You tell us that:
:<small>I've reformatted your message. The spaces at the start of lines stopped us from reading the message. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</small>


:Kim's artwork engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By incorporating cultural motifs into personal and broader histories of struggle, he examines the universal search for belonging across diverse conditions.
:I've simply reverted to the last good version before the vandalism, and reapplied the removal of the now-redundant inter-wiki language links, which was the edit done after the vandalism. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


And you add a reference pointing to a page of Kim's website. But this is evaluative: we need a source independent of Kim to tell us that he actually explores such-and-such (and doesn't merely glance at it and hurry away). Also, this sounds curiously like PR-speak. I wondered what Kim actually wrote. Here it is:
== Please unblock Upike students ==


:His work engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By interpolating cultural motifs into personal and larger histories of struggle, Kim explores the unifying search for belonging across disparate conditions.
Hey--could somebody unblock the University of Pikeville IP address? My students in the global education program are not being allowed to create accounts. My courses are duly registered with the global education program and everything. Please unblock us. I'm going to copy this message as an unlogged in editor so that you can see what IP I'm talking about.[[Special:Contributions/70.159.38.3|70.159.38.3]] ([[User talk:70.159.38.3|talk]]) 16:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. The IP you're editing from isn't blocked, and as far as I can see never has been [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A70.159.38.3]. If it were blocked, you wouldn't be able to edit on this page. You might be able to get more clarification as to why your students are having problems by posting to the [[Wikipedia:Education noticeboard|Education noticeboard]]. [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 17:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::In fact, I see someone from the Education program has just responded on your talk page ([[User_talk:Georgiasouthernlynn#Wikipedia Education Program, Spring 2013]]). Did it help? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 17:27, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


So it's just a copy 'n' paste job, with minor changes. If a quotation would benefit a draft, then it must be in quotation marks (and square brackets should make clear any changes that have been made to it). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 03:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Minor edits ==
:COI tag moved to your User page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5|2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5|talk]]) 22:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== "Content not properly deflated" sign ==
I want to know that why minor edit like ''commons delinker : File abc has been removed, it has been deleted from commons by xyz'' and other minor edits like this are used to kept in edit history. They are of no use to why? Please explain this to me.[[User:Farhajking|Farhajking]] ([[User talk:Farhajking|talk]]) 10:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Some minor edits may or may not seem obvious as to why they would kept in the history section, but all contributions, changes, alterations, additions and any work done on an article is copy protected with a Creative Commons atribution license. This requires that all contributers be attributed for their edits. The history of each article is that attribution and will contain every single edit that has not been permanently removed for any particular violation of policy or license requirements. I hope this helps. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 10:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


:I am talking about common delinker edits about copyrighted images, that is of no use. [[User:Farhajking|Farhajking]] ([[User talk:Farhajking|talk]]) 10:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I have gotten this sign several times during editing, idk why or how it came to be. Please help [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:I've never seen such a message, @[[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]]. Could you describe (step by step) what you did, on what page(s), and how the message displayed? [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::No use to you perhaps, but if you are the one who uploaded the copyright violation in good faith, without realising it, it might be nice to see in the edit history what happened to the image. This way it also allows others the ability to see as well. Its called "transparancy". In this manner, everything can be traced back.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 10:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::first I edit like I always do, I prefer to edit visually, so I want to put an image and caption into the article, that's it and then I clicked publish and this sign popped up "Content provided is not properly deflated" so I was unable to make such edit.
::this page and several others
::[[John Campbell, 5th Duke of Argyll]] [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 00:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] This sounds like [[phab:T381673]] which was reported somewhat recently. Can you confirm what browser (including version) you were using when you saw the error? [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|talk]]) 04:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Safari version 16.5.2, yeah it used to be fine but recently it's not maybe 2 weeks give or take [[User:Wentwort12|Wentwort12]] ([[User talk:Wentwort12|talk]]) 06:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Britannica books Pre 2012 ==
:::You can disable minor and/or bot edits in your watchlist if you wish; use the "Hide" options at the top of the list or change the Watchlist settings in [[Special:Preferences|your Preferences]]. (They will still be visible in page histories, however.) [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]&zwj;[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 11:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::::actually, i've found it useful to track down images that were migrated to commons and deleted. so i migrate them back to wikipedia with a "fair use" where appropriate. without an electronic trail, you might never find them since they may have been deleted from the web. <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4|Farmbrough's revenge]]</font>⇔[[User_talk:Slowking4| †@1₭]] 21:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


How would a person attain copy's of all Encyclopaedia sets printed since 1768? [[User:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|Jarrod Samuel Burchett]] ([[User talk:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|talk]]) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Problems in multiple refernces to the same footnote ==
:Hello, {{u|Jarrod Samuel Burchett}}! The Teahouse is a place to ask about editing Wikipedia specifically. If you have other general knowledge questions, try asking at [[WP:Reference Desk|the Reference Desk]], where editors who work in that area can help you. Happy editing, [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 01:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Jarrod Samuel Burchett}}. Find a rare books dealer who specializes in encyclopedias. Fly to their nearest airport. Take the rare books dealer out to breakfast, lunch and dinner and buy drinks after dinner. Then, make a generous offer on what they have. Rinse and repeat. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah. Hopefully the OP has a substantial 5-figure sum available. A set of the 1773 First London Edition is currently advertised on Ebay for £16,436.25, and there have been (at least) 15 printed editions since [[Encyclopædia Britannica|the 1768–71 original]] (the abovementioned "London Edition" is not one of them), ignoring the updates added in every reprint of a volume from 1933 and the pirated editions, such as the Thomas Dobson (Philadelphia) of 1790. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Jarrod Samuel Burchett|Jarrod Samuel Burchett]] On the other hand, the ninth edition in full is freely available at [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica,_Ninth_Edition Wikisource]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Tools ==
Hello, I am trying to elaborate the references in my sandbox-article on Ilona Harima. Don't understand why it seems to be impossible to add footnote nr 1 to multiple places although I'm trying to obey the instructions! Please help me [[User:Marjarau|Marjarau]] ([[User talk:Marjarau|talk]]) 07:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:This is quite possible and is recommended practice! It can be accomplished by giving the reference a name in the tag, for example <nowiki><ref name="NAME">REFERENCE</ref></nowiki>, with NAME being a character string of your choice and REFERENCE being the reference itself. Then, to use the same citation again, simply type <nowiki><ref name="NAME"/></nowiki> on its own, with no ending </ref> tag but paying special attention to the "/" after the name you've given it.
:—[[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]] ([[User talk:Strachkvas|talk]]) 07:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


:Thanks, I succeeded! I was trying to attach the ref tag ending too, that was my mistake. One more question: I'd like to add page number in the footnote marker of two of the notes. Is there an uncomplicated way to add it in an easy form f.example p.xx , asks [[User:Marjarau|Marjarau]] ([[User talk:Marjarau|talk]]) 09:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I have the rater and auto-ed scripts installed but they don't show up in my more tab. I use Vector Legacy. Does anyone know how to fix this. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 01:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:History6042|History6042]] do they appear on the left side of the screen, under "tools"? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 05:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Welcome back! There is template which is specially designed for citing books: ''[[Template:Cite book|Cite book]]'' which you can use like this:
::No they do not. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:CanonNi]], I checked all the skins but still none of them show up. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 19:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:If you are using the new skin [[WP:VECTOR2022]], its on the right or in a dropdown at top right. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 08:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::I switched to 2022 but it still doesn't show up. [[User:History6042|History6042]] ([[User talk:History6042|talk]]) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Submission declined because subject already exists. ==
::<tt><nowiki><ref>{{cite book |last= |first= |authorlink= |title= |url= |accessdate= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages=}}</ref></nowiki></tt>


What to do? My draft ([[Draft:Cyclopygoidea]]) has been declined because [[Cyclopygidae]] exists, but my draft encompasses more than just that family, how should I proceed? [[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] ([[User talk:Abdullah raji|talk]]) 05:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::There you can fill the parameters which you want and you can leave out which you don't want. For example if you want to write the page number as page 2 just fill the page field like this: <tt>|page= 2</tt>. Full documentation for this template is [[Template:Cite_book|here]] .If you have any more questions just ask us again. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 09:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
:@[[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] you can [[Help:Merge|merge]] the contents of your draft into the existing article. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 05:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Abdullah raji}}, you can also start by writing more than three sentences about the topic, whatever it is. Certainly, a "superfamily" deserves more than three basic sentences. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== How "good" does a user essay have to be for it to be able to be moved to project space? ==
:::Hi Marjarau, if you are saying you want to add the page numbers to the footnote marker itself (the one that looks like this: {{dummy ref|1}}), you can do that by using the {{tl|rp}} template. There are other ways to do this as well, and you can take a look at [[Help:References and page numbers]] for examples. However, most of our articles use an entirely different style, like the one used in [[USS Arizona (BB-39)]], one of our featured class articles. Of course, it's up to you to decide what style you want to use. [[User:Chamal_N|Chamal]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#808080;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|C]]</sup> 09:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


I've recently gotten into the habit of writing user essays so that newcomers and medium-level editors alike can learn something new. I've been wondering - how good would the essay have to be before it can be moved into project space? For example, my favourite essay is [[User:Someone-123-321/Essays/Meditation is the best kind of COOLing down|my one about meditating to COOL down]] but I have no idea what the criteria for moving a user essay even is. [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:I used the last suggestion rp template. It was very easy with a clear result. My article is a short one, at least at this stage with only 3 references used. I'll save the other suggestions too, they will surely be helpful for possible future use.
:Hello, {{u|Someone-123-321}}. The only requirement for moving an essay from userspace to Wikipedia space is that no one objects. Your essay reflects your own view that may not be and probably isn't shared by most other editors. Your definition of meditation is somewhat inclusive but is deeply biased by claiming that editing Wikipedia cannot possibly be a form of meditation. Sez who? Are you trying to tell me that chanting {{tpq|Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō}} 100,000 times or chanting {{tpq|Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare}} 100,000 times is meditation, but my meditation practice of thoughtfully editing Wikipedia 100,000 times is illegitimate? You confidently assert that meditation requires {{tpq|stepping away from editing Wikipedia while you do it}} while my meditation practice requires stepping into level headed and thoughtful Wikipedia editing. So, should Wikipedia space host essays that many editors believe to be completely incorrect? Perhaps you can write another essay on that dilemma. Or perhaps you can improve a free encyclopedia article, which is, in my opinion, the greatest form of meditation known to humanity. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! [[User:Marjarau|Marjarau]] ([[User talk:Marjarau|talk]]) 11:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for not elaborating. I meant "editing Wikipedia articles which caused you to meditate in the first place" - i.e "don't edit articles you know will make you angrier" [[User:Someone-123-321]] (I [[Special:Contributions/Someone-123-321|contribute]], [[User talk:Someone-123-321|Talk page so SineBot will shut up]]) 09:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Editing ==
== Advice on how to write an article about a sensitive topic which would need other editors to read all the sources to judge it properly ==


How can I include photos to a page I want [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 07:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I've come here to ask for some friendly advice on a difficult topic. I've never posted here before although i've made about 4,000 edits over 3 years.


:I meant to say how can I include photos to a page [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 07:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I wrote an article on a difficult and sensitive topic, and it has been deleted per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Definitions of Pogrom]]. It is now userfied at [[User:Oncenawhile/Definitions of Pogrom]].
::Hi, [[Help:Pictures]] is a step-by-step guide to adding one. Just make sure to read the note about copyright as most images on the internet prohibit sharing. See [[Wikipedia:IUP]] [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:Dissainkabi|Dissainkabi]] ([[User talk:Dissainkabi|talk]]) 10:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== খসড়া পাতা পর্যালোচনা ==
The two main questions raised in the AfD were whether it was notable enough as a standalone topic and whether there was any A+B=C synth. Most editors thought they knew the answer to these questions, perhaps due to the sensitivity of the topic, but few if any read the actual underlying sources on which the overall gist of the article was based. That of course leaves me unsatisfied, primarily because i was unable to convince editors to invest the time to read the scholarly works to allow them to come to a more considered view. In other words, because i feel almost noone bothered reading the main underlying sources, I have no idea whether the decision to delete was really right.


আমার খসড়া পাতা (https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%95) দ্রুত পর্যালোচনা করার অনুরোধ জানাচ্ছি। এটি পর্যালোচকদের মানদণ্ড পূরণ করে বলে মনে করি। [[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] ([[User talk:Jahangir Rayhan|talk]]) 10:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
My question for the teahouse is, assuming for the sake of argument that my belief in the underlying veracity of the article was correct, what could i have done to convince editors and commentators to actually read the underlying sources before taking a view in the debate?
:[[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] This is the English Wikipedia - Questions about the Bengali Wikipedia must be raised there - Their Teahouse is at [https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%B0] [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 10:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::thanks [[User:Jahangir Rayhan|Jahangir Rayhan]] ([[User talk:Jahangir Rayhan|talk]]) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Reason for Rejection of Sunnah Muwakkadah Article ==
For the avoidance of doubt, my question for the teahouse is NOT whether you agree or disagree with the AfD - that bridge has been crossed and I have accepted it - and so i don't think it's worth anyone's time here going over it again. I just want to learn what to do differently next time so i end up with proper closure.


Hello,
Thanks in advance for any advice or thoughts on on this.
I recently posted an Article on Sunnah Muwakkadah. I used correct citations. And I created the Article by myself and I cited Sunnah.com links. But for some reason it has been rejected pls inquiry the situatio.
Thanks [[User:Enter your Log|Enter your Log]] ([[User talk:Enter your Log|talk]]) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


:@[[User:Enter your Log|Enter your Log]] Did you read the comment at the top of the declined (not "rejected") draft at [[Draft:Sunnah_Muwakkadah]]? Wikipedia articles are based on multiple references to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] independent of the topic. As far as I can tell, sunnah.com is just a website that provides access to Islamic texts, without detailed commentary. You need to find independent scholarly work that describes these prayers. Also, please follow Wikipedia's [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] regarding the formatting of references (see [[WP:REFB|this guidance]]) and note that we don't use the honorific ﷺ. That's explained at [[WP:PHUB]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Oncenawhile|Oncenawhile]] ([[User talk:Oncenawhile|talk]]) 22:39, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


== To add more references ==
:Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse! Maybe this is not of much help, but you could just ask them nicely to read them before taking part in the AfD! Cheers. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 04:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


Is it necessary to add more references to make it clearer and properly cited, if possible? [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 12:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Hmm, well, everyone will have seen that [[Pogrom]] exists and is notable, so they'll already be wondering if another article in that area is needed. Then they'll have seen "Definition" in the title, and they'll have thought that "Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTDICT|Not a Dictionary]]", and wondered if this article is going in the wrong direction. I suppose that an article 'Teahouse' would easily be accepted; 'Teahouse discussions' would be accepted with more difficulty; and 'Definitions of teahouse discussions' would get short shrift. Hope this helps you a little. All the best - [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 20:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


:@[[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, it’s always helpful to add references to support statements which might be challenged. They do need to be reliable ones, as defined [[WP:HERE|HERE]]. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 12:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:: One could just as easily ask for "Advice on how to get an editor to understand that the community has carefully considered the editor's proposals and have decided they are not improvements". I am one of the editors who !voted at that AFD and I read the sources. ''Fourteen'' fellow editors of the person asking this question agreed that the proposed article should not exist as a stand-alone article (!voted to delete or merge), and that list included: four admins, six editors with over 20,000 edits each, and at least five editors with GA or FA articles under their belts. That's a group of editors representing a ''lot'' of Wikipedia editing experience. It's a terrible assumption of bad faith to assume that the only reason the AFD result was delete was that ''nobody'' read the sources. It is probably time for the editor asking this question to drop the stick and back away from the horse. <code>[[User:Zad68|<span style="color:#D2691E">'''Zad'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Zad68|<span style="color:#206060">''68''</span>]]</code> 20:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
::However, over-referencing can be a problem. Quality is more important than quantity. A simple fact can do with one reference, not five or ten. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:David notMD|David notMD]], yes [[Draft:Tony Bonanno|indeed]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 13:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I see. What if a content short but reliable. Isn't it better to add more content? [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::thanks [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] Are you asking about the draft article you have (incorrectly) placed on your userpage? If so, please note that Wikipedia articles are almost entirely based on sources meeting [[WP:42|our golden rules]] to help show the topic is [[WP:NCORP|wikinotable]]. Currently you have no such sources and you need to carefully read [[WP:YFA|this guidance]], which also explains how to start in the correct place at [[WP:AfC|articles for creation]]. However, I would strongly advise that you work on existing articles for a while until you understand Wikipedia's requirements in more detail. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


{{u|DerryGer120}} [[Draft:Gerd Ortlieb]] has been declined three times. Do not resubmit until you have added in-line references for all facts, and deleted those facts for which you are unable to add references. External links are not references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== external editing ==


== Creating a Company Page with Limited References ==
I am making heavy duty chances and additions to an article on the divinatory tarot. I would like to make the changes in an external editor, collect them over a period of a few days, and then upload a large set rather then just adding too many edits. Is there an editor I can use for that? I tried windows notepad but it through in a bunch of line feeds or something that messed up the formatting of the pageMike Sosteric PhD 21:53, 10 March 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dr.Sosteric|Dr.Sosteric]] ([[User talk:Dr.Sosteric|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Sosteric|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hi Dr. Sosteric. Have you considered pasting the text into your sandbox and working on it there in semi-privacy? You can create a subpage in your userspace for it if you wish by typing <nowiki>User:Dr.Sosteric/page name</nowiki> into the search box and clicking the red link that this produces.--[[User:Charlesdrakew|Charles]] ([[User talk:Charlesdrakew|talk]]) 21:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I'm seeking guidance on creating a Wikipedia page for a company. I understand the importance of reliable sources, but currently have limited independent references. The company is Bizsol Technologies, and it operates in the IT sector. I'd like to include basic factual information such as founding date, services offered, and key personnel. Could you please advise on the best approach for creating a page under these circumstances, or if it's advisable at all given the limited sourcing? Thank you for your time and assistance. [[User:Bizsol tech|Bizsol tech]] ([[User talk:Bizsol tech|talk]]) 13:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::I did ont think of that, but what a great idea! I just don't want to bog the wiki down by adding data to an already big database. but maybe that's not a primary concern? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dr.Sosteric|Dr.Sosteric]] ([[User talk:Dr.Sosteric|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Sosteric|contribs]]) 22:22, 10 March 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If there's limited sourcing available, it's highly unlikely the company isn't notable enough for inclusion here. See [[WP:NCORP]]. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 14:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Space is not a problem. Using the preview button is a good way to avoid saving a lot of similar pages though and saves space. By working there you can use wiki formatting and see how the finished product will look. Happy editing.--[[User:Charlesdrakew|Charles]] ([[User talk:Charlesdrakew|talk]]) 22:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:I am agree with comment above. You might try to submit it however the content might be short as if there is limited references available. Start with a clear introduction that summarizes the subject. You can cite sources using the built-in citation tools in Wikipedia's editor. You always can try. Thanks [[User:DerryGer120|DerryGer120]] ([[User talk:DerryGer120|talk]]) 14:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


:However, {{u|Bizsol tech}}, before you do ''anything'' else, (1) please read [[WP:NOPROMO]] (5. Advertising . . . followed by the rest of ''Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not''), and (2) [[WP:ORGNAME]] (followed by the rest of ''Wikipedia:Username policy''), and change your username to one that distinguishes you as an individual (e.g. 'Fred at Bizsol tech'), which ''only'' you may use – shared accounts and accounts representing a business or position are ''not allowed''.
== updating statistics that change often ==
:Assuming you actually do any drafting or editing ''on this topic'', you also ''must'' make [[WP:Conflict of Interest|Conflict of Interest]] and [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure|paid editor]] declarations on your User page.
:Understand (though I think you already do) that a Wikipedia article should be almost completely based on (summarised) material published by secondary Reliable sources ''unconnected'' to the subject – your company's own website, other publications, PR releases, interviews with officials or employees, etc., ''cannot'' contribute to the essential [[WP:Notability]] criteria, and can only be used for minor uncontroversial facts (e.g. address, number of employees and the like). Read [[WP:BACKWARD|WP:Backwards]].
:Finally, read [[Wikipedia:Ownership of content|WP:OWN]], and understand that an article ''about'' your company on Wikipedia will not be controlled in any way by your company, may contain material detrimental to your company (if cited to [[WP:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]]), and may only be edited by you (or colleagues) in very limited ways concerning trivial matters (typos, removal of incorrect ''uncited'' statements, updates to numbers, etc.). You may wish to read [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]], which includes a section on companies and organizations.
:Hope all this helps, and maybe helps you to avoid you wasting large amounts of time and effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 15:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Original research and primary sources ==
for example what is the etiquette about updating say a footballs amount of goals scored. what if two people decide to update a footballers goal tally and the end result is they add two goals between them when there should be one? [[User:Oliveriocastro|Oliveriocastro]] ([[User talk:Oliveriocastro|talk]]) 19:13, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Welcome! You could reference a reputable sports news website that keeps an up to date tally, and add it as a reference. — '''[[User:Nerdfighter|<font color=#088A08>nerd</font color=#088A08>]][[User_Talk:Nerdfighter|<font color=#0489B1>fighter</font color=#0489B1>]]''' 19:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::Yes published sources are indeed needed. You cannot sit in front of the telly making instant updates while watching a match. That would be original research which is not allowed.--[[User:Charlesdrakew|Charles]] ([[User talk:Charlesdrakew|talk]]) 22:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Information that changes often should be specified using the "As of" template: "<nowiki>{{As of|13 March 2013}}</nowiki> John Doe had scored a total of 215 goals for the Super Slammers" which will display as "{{As of|13 March 2013}} John Doe had scored a total of 215 goals for the Super Slammers". The "as of" should be written in lower case if it is not at the start of a sentence. The template will add the page to a category for articles with potentially outdated content - which alerts editors to check for updates. [[User:Dodger67|Roger]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 09:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


What counts as original research? Can I write in an article that something is patented with a link to the patent itself as a source, or is this considered "original research" meaning that that finding a secondary source meaning some random article or book saying that it's patented is preferable over to linking to the actual patent? [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 14:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Anonymous users blanks my page ==
:The patent is a source for the issue of the patent (see [[WP:PATENT]]). Original research would be citing the patent for text such as {{tq|Oswald's patent for ooshwallah was the first patent issued for a Molossian.}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 15:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. What about citations for cases of other things existing, e.g. the official website or page for a video game, or book, or music CD: Is the primary source appropriate as a source to prove that the thing exists or for other specs (like a release date, platform, page count, format...) or is that different with it being preferable to have some other person (who might be wrong) talking about the release date/platform/page count/format as a secondary source? [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Primary sources are generally okay to cite for basic facts. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi, IP user. My rule of thumb is that if the existence of something (a patent, a painting, a movie, a website) can be verified only by a primary source, then it is probably not appropriate to mention it in an article. There are probably exceptions; but if nobody independent has ever written about this thing, why is it significant enough to go in the article? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm from Japan and primarily edit articles on Japanese topics where primary sources are in Japanese and most of the secondary sources used on Wikipedia are in English. This frequently result in problems when the secondary sources are from sites and writers regarded "reliable" on Wikipedia yet are clearly not reliable for niche topics, specifically Japanese topics in this case, being often poorly-written and badly-researched and filled with the most basic errors. Some of these basic errors could be easily rectified with a reference to a primary source like an official website saying "this book was written by this person and released on this date". Looking for reliable secondary sources like news sites after the fact is often out of the question because most Japanese news sites delist old news after some time. I was simply asking if such a primary source could be used over clearly inferior secondary sources, because I was previously told that primary sources are not allowed AT ALL if secondary sources are available.
::::I will assume that your intent was probably not to gaslight me by suggesting that Japanese topics are insignificant and don't belong on Wikipedia but I would very much appreciate more if people would answer my questions instead of retorting with more questions. [[Special:Contributions/27.84.15.217|27.84.15.217]] ([[User talk:27.84.15.217|talk]]) 19:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Extended Confirmed ==
Hi all, yesterday I started to create an article about the now defunct company Inkworks, who was the world's leading manufacturer of non-sports trading cards until they ceased in 2009. Today I realized that an anonymous user (IP address 97.101.84.99) simply blanked my complete draft. I was shocked, but next thing I saw is that I luckily could undo this form of vandalism. My question is: how can I be prevent anonymous trolls like the one above simply blank my page and delete all it's content??? Would you suggest to copy the draft to my HD for security reasons?
You can view my draft here: [[Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/_Inkworks,_Inc.]]
Thanks in advance for your help! It's much appreciated :-)[[User:Estephano80|Estephano80]] ([[User talk:Estephano80|talk]]) 15:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi there and welcome to the Teahouse! Sometimes, articles do get [[WP:PP|protected]], but only if the vandalism continues for a long time or is severe. If you wish, you can request protection of your article, but you will yourself be unable to edit then, as even with semi-protection, your account will need to be 4 days old to edit it.<sup>[[User: King jakob c 2|<font color = "red">King</font>]]</sup> [[User talk: King jakob c 2|<font color = "green">Jakob</font>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/King jakob c 2|<font color = "blue">C2</font>]]</sub> 16:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


:OK, thanks for your fast reply. So I guess I leave it at this for the moment, but if the vandalism continues, I'll take your advise regarding the protection. I couldn't upload the company's logo and certain scans of trading cards last night. I guess that's got also something to do with this 4 days limit after one's registration, isn't it???[[User:Estephano80|Estephano80]] ([[User talk:Estephano80|talk]]) 16:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I believe I have become extended confirmed because I have been on Wikipedia for 1 month but Xtools says I’m only autoconfirmed. I got the answer that a user has to be on Wikipedia for 30 days and have over 500 edits, and I have done that. So, is there a reason why I’m not extended confirmed. If I am, I want to know [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 14:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


:Your account was created on 26 November 2024. This is not 30 days ago. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:As you guessed, image uploading has similar restrictions (4 days old account and a minimum of 10 edits, to be specific). Also, we don't usually protect articles unless there is repeated severe vandalism. In most cases we just revert those edits. Regarding your previous question about backing up your draft to your local HD, you don't need to do that as Wikipedia keeps a record of all past versions of a page. Regarding the image uploads you wanted to do, please note that most such images are copyrighted. Wikipedia uses copyrighted images only in very particular circumstances, and even then are controlled by a strict set of requirements. Those are a little too detailed to describe here, but you can read the details [[WP:NFCI|here]]. [[User:Chamal_N|Chamal]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#808080;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|C]]</sup> 16:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::Ah, that’s probably the problem [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:A user only needs to be extended confirmed to edit certain articles or in certain contentious topic areas. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, I know, it just feels better to have it because it makes me feel more experienced. Also, there’s a couple articles that have the extended confirmed block that I would like to edit. [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That's certainly fine, though there is a difference between feeling more experienced and being more experienced. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, you are right about that [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 19:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Articles that require editors to be extended confirmed are often about contentious topis. Many so-qualified editors have put those articles on their Watchlist, meaning that there is potential for being reverted by opinionated editors. Consider reviewing the Talk page (including archived talk page content) to learn if the change you intend to make has been debated in the past. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


==Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse! ==
:Hi Chamal, thanks for your reply. I don't mind if I can only upload photos after 4 days past my registration. There's still so much text I need to add to my draft that my article won't be finished within the next 1 or 2 weeks.
<br>
Regarding the copyright of company's logos, I already read into the requirements last night. The logo can be uploaded as "fair use" because it's an article about the history of a now defunct company. Thanks again for your help. If I need further assistance with my article, I will get back to you guys on here. Thanks :-) [[User:Estephano80|Estephano80]] ([[User talk:Estephano80|talk]]) 17:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::''''Twas The Night Before Wikimas... '''<br>
::Actually that depends. If it is an actual logo it will have the circled "C" next to it. If there is a circled "R" it is a registered trademark and does not have the same protection. Inkworks has a trademark [http://www.trademarkia.com/inkworks-75101488.html] and therefore does not have to be uploaded under "fair use", but as a {{tl|trademark}}. For more detail see [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#Use of graphic logos]]. Happy editing!
[[File:1914 Santa Claus.jpg|thumb|Saint Jimbo arrives to help a pair of sleepy editors.]]
:::That is completely and totally wrong. The use of TM, (C), or (R) has no bearing on whether a logo is copyrighted or not. If it's copyrighted, it can only be uploaded as fair use, regardless of whether or not it's a registered or unregistered trademark. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 01:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
'Twas the night before Wikimas, when all through the [[WP:TH|Teahouse]]<br>
Not an [[WP:EDITOR|editor]] was stirring, not even a [[Computer mouse|mouse]].<br>


The [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|references]] had been inserted by users [[WP:AGF|with care]],<br>
== [[Talk:Helsinki-Vantaa Airport]] to [[Talk:Helsinki Airport]] merge ==
In hopes that [[User:Jimbo Wales|St. Jimbo]]{{who}} soon would be there.<br>


Most editors were nestled all snug by their beds,<br>
Hello. This is my first time posting a question here, as I have never faced a thing like this within my 6,400 edits.
While visions of [[WP:YFA|new articles]] danced in their heads.<br>
[[Helsinki-Vantaa Airport]] was moved to [[Helsinki Airport]] however, their talk pages seem to be different. What to do in this situation - should I just copy/paste the old talk page content to the new one and ask talk page to be deleted? Thank you. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Ilyushka88|'''<span style="color:black;"><font style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC">Ilyushka</font> ☃</span>''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:Ilyushka88|Talk!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ilyushka88|Contribs]]</sub> 15:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
When out from a [https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/3/38/JIMBOARD.jpg keyboard] there arose such a clatter<br>
I sprang to my screen to see what was the matter.<br>
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,<br>
but a question on [[H:FOOT|sources]] and how to [[WP:IC|use them well]] here.<br>


More rapid than eagles these questioners came,<br>
:Welcome to Teahouse! I can see three options
And the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts|hosts]] from the [[WP:TH|Teahouse]] welcomed each one [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&offset=&limit=500&username=Christmas+12&group=&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form by name.]<br>
# The talk page can be kept as it is (if the topics are different and does not suit in the other talk page)
[[File:Jimmy-matryoska-3.png|thumb|Reindeers #1 to #3 (left to right): <br>[[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes|em Dasher]]; [[WP:IMAGES|Images]] and [[WP:ACTRIAL|Actrial]]]]
# The content of the first talk page can be merged with the second talk page (as you have suggested, if all the discussions are on same topic, one can copy paste, another thing can be done- history merge)
[[File:Jimmy-matryoska-3.png|thumb|Reindeers #4 to #6 (left to right): <br> [[WP:PATROLLED|Patrolled]]; [[WP:USERS|Users]] and [[WP:IP|IPs]]]]
# The talk page cane be deleted (this is also an option as a part of housekeeping, but I don't think and suggest this one) --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|contact]]) 17:00, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


"Now, [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes|em Dasher]]! Now, [[WP:IMAGES|Images]]!<br>
Now, [[WP:ACTRIAL|Actrial]]! Now, [[WP:PATROLLED|Patrolled]]!<br>
On, [[WP:USERS|Users]]! On, [[WP:IP|IPs]]!<br>
On, [[WP:YOUNG|Young]] and on, [[Silver surfer (internet user)|Old]]!<br>
To the [[WP:LEAD|top of each article]], be it long, [[WP:STUB|short]] or tall,<br>
Now, [[Help:Editing|type away]], [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|type away]], [[Help:Wikitext|type away]] all!"{{cite quote}}<br>


As dry words that before an [[Wiktionary:Main_Page|old dictionary]] fly,<br>
when they meet with a [[WP:SYNONYM|synonym]], mount to the sky,{{Citation needed}}<br>
So, onto these articles the edits they flew,<br>
With a sleigh full of [[WP:RS|facts]], and [[WP:ILC|citations]], too.<br>


And then in a twinkling, I saw on the page<br>
::Thank you for answering. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Ilyushka88|'''<span style="color:black;"><font style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC">Ilyushka</font> ☃</span>''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:Ilyushka88|Talk!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ilyushka88|Contribs]]</sub> 17:04, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Our wiki-creator: a man of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centenarian great age].<br>
As I checked it on [https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Jimbo.svg/757px-Jimbo.svg.png Commons] and was turning around,<br>
Down my router [[Jimmy Wales|St. Jimbo]] came in with a bound.<br>


Over [[WP:STATS|6 million articles]] he had flung on his back,{{Quantify}}<br>
== dashed box? ==
And he looked like most users with the editing knack.{{According to whom}}<br>
His eyes{{spaced ndash}}how they twinkled! [[Eye strain|slightly square]]{{spaced ndash}}but how merry!<br>
[[WP:ADDICTED|Too much editing]], folks, had turned his nose red like a cherry!{{medical citation needed}}<br>
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,<br>
And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.{{cn}}<br>
[[File:Jimbo Ded Moroz.png|thumb|St. Jimbo: ''"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"''<br>[[Facial composite]] of man wanted for questioning in connection with digital break-ins on [[Christmas Eve]].]]


A wink of his eye and a twist of his head<br>
Hi!
Soon gave me to know I had [[WP:ANI|nothing to dread]].<br>
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his [[WP:COPYEDIT|editing]],<br>
And filled [[WP:BAREURLS|bare URLs]]; did [[WP:SOURCES|sourcing]] and [[MOS:CREDITS|crediting]]<br>
And confirming [[WP:N|notability]] with a tap on his nose,<br>
And pressing '[[Help:Editing#Edit_screen(s)|Publish changes]]', back up my modem{{Technical inline}} he rose.<br>


He sprang to his sleigh, to his [[WP:WMF|team]] gave a [[WP:NOTIFY|whistle]],<br>
Whilst editing my user page, I have fond that in one of my sections I now have a light blue dashed box around some of my text and was wondering what it is and how I can get rid off it?
And away they all flew, leaving me to my [[WP:TOOLONG|epistle]].{{anachronism inline}}<br>
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,<br>
''"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"''{{quote needs citation}}<br>


cheers [[User:Rachel L Fisher|Rachel L Fisher]] ([[User talk:Rachel L Fisher|talk]]) 09:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Rachel, I think you have fixed it for yourself but what you had was a line of text that started with a space and the software interprets this Ada command to tray all following text as a simple string with no formatting, line breaks etc, just a box outline. If you do want to indent text then start the line with a colon or series of colons. Each one will indent your text one step. [[User:Nthep|NtheP]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 10:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


::with [[WP:PARAPHRASE|grudging acknowledgement]] to [[Clement_Clarke_Moore#A_Visit_from_St._Nicholas|Clement C. Moore]], 1823.)
In other words when you spaced down you indented and that created:
::::[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
this
:::Bravo! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 15:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::This is brilliant @[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 15:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Bah humbug >:/
:::What about us [[Festivus]] Celebrators?
:::A fantastic little parody though. As a fellow writer, I greatly enoyed. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{clear}}
::::Very good. Now let's hope no one tries to expand it using references from Instagram, celebrities' personal websites, or something editor is sure his great aunt told him 27 years ago. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, very good!👍 [[User:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|Yuanmongolempiredynasty]] ([[User talk:Yuanmongolempiredynasty|talk]]) 19:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Need help with a draft ==
To avoid that always remember that if you want an indent to appear like
:this
always remember to add a colon like


Hello! I posted about this to to [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Finland]] but it seems a little quiet in there. I need help with my draft on the finnish sketch comedy show [[Draft:Mankeli]], but being as I am not yet fluent in finnish, I need someone who is to help me out. The main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources, but since they are all going to be in finnish, I would be fumbling around trying to look for them. I translated the page from finnish wikipedia, and it didn't have any references there either.
<nowiki>:this</nowiki>


[[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]] ([[User talk:3SiameseCats|talk]]) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
The more colons you add like


:Hello, @[[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]]. I'm sorry, but if "the main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources", then you have written the draft [[WP:BACKWARDS|BACKWARDS]]. This is like "I have started building a house: the main thing that needs to be done is to survey the site to see whether it is fit to build on". [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
<nowiki>::this</nowiki>
::Im not sure if you missed it, but I translated the article from the Finnish Wikipedia (using the [[Special:ContentTranslation]] tool), before I realized there was no sources there either. So whoever wrote the finnish version wrote it backwards, and now I need to fix that. [[User:3SiameseCats|3SiameseCats]] ([[User talk:3SiameseCats|talk]]) 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::In that case you'd probably be better off to start fresh and first find sources to summarize, rather than looking for sources to support the current version. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Speedy Deletion of Than Singh Doli ==
the further indented it will be like


Today i nominated [https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Than%20Singh%20Doli Than Singh Doli] for deletion because it does not have but 2 editors removed the deletion template. Now i had nominated the article for quick deletion. Previously this article was also deleted from English's Wikipedia when I nominated that but i found that it is available on Simple English Wikipedia also. An editor should delete this page because i am pretty sure it is a case of promoting self on Wikipedia.&nbsp;[[User:TheSlumPanda|TheSlumPanda]] ([[User talk:TheSlumPanda|talk]]) 16:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::this


:Hello, @[[User:TheSlumPanda|TheSlumPanda]]. This is English Wikipedia, which is a separate project from Simple Wikipedia. You need to ask there. Try [[:simple:WP:Simple talk]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
We add a colon to indent to make a first reply to a comment and add more each time another comment is made to see the flow of the discussion. Generally you stop indenting to start a fresh unrelated post within the same thread.


== Sock puppet | New account ==
--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 10:36, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello,
:
Yes, cheers I did fix it by myself but seriously Thanks for the reason why it happens it helps better to understand the workings of Wikipedia [[User:Rachel L Fisher|Rachel L Fisher]] ([[User talk:Rachel L Fisher|talk]]) 11:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I acknowledge that I have made mistakes in the past, including the use of sock puppet accounts [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saishna96]] which led to my block. I deeply regret these actions and take full responsibility for violating Wikipedia’s policies.
== Mistakes ==


At present, I do not have any active accounts on Wikipedia. I wish to start afresh and contribute to the community in a constructive and policy-compliant manner. I assure you that I will not create multiple accounts or engage in any activities that go against Wikipedia’s guidelines.
I had made many mistakes in the past when I was new to Wikipedia like leaving edit summary empty, experimental editing on articles , uploading copyrighted images that gets deleted after sometime by commons delinker. But now, I am well familiar with the guidelines and policies of Wikipedia. Does these types of mistakes affect my account reputation. [[User:Farhajking|Farhajking]] ([[User talk:Farhajking|talk]]) 08:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I kindly request an opportunity to demonstrate my commitment to adhering to Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for considering my appeal. [[Special:Contributions/2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089|2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089]] ([[User talk:2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089|talk]]) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:Course not, everyone was a new editor at one point in time. {{smiley}} —<font face=Verdana><span style="border:1px solid;border-radius:1.7em 0"><span style="background:#000;border-radius:1.5em 0 0"> -[[User:Dainomite|<font color=#FFF>dain</font>]]</span>[[User:Dainomite/t|<font color=#000>omite</font>]] &nbsp;</span></font> 08:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::With 50 edits and a few months of participation, most would still consider you new. What matters is the future. I suggest that you devote yourself to improving the encyclopedia in a genuine way, and minor errors of the past will be forgotten. When you have made significant contributions, you will be evaluated on those. Welcome, and I wish you luck. [[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]] 09:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


:Please see [[WP:appealing blocks|appealing blocks]]. That is the ''only'' way to appeal a block. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Guidance ==


== Admin Question ==
As i am new comer in writing article on wikipedia. i just need some one to guide me in what structure article has to be created and how many references do i have submit for that article.. ?


Out of sheer curiosity, how does one go about becoming an admin? Not that I want to be one, I most certainly don't, and such responsibility is too much for me. I'm just interested in the inner-workings of Wikipedia. [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] all admins are "elected" in [[WP:RFA|Requests for Adminship]]. A typical one runs for a week or so, and all experienced users can ask the candidate questions, discuss their work, and !vote. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 18:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Vishnuram7|Vishnuram7]] ([[User talk:Vishnuram7|talk]]) 07:28, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::Oh, neat! Admins being voted in is not something I have seen before. Thanks for the speedy reply :)
:Hello Vishnuram and welcome to the Teahouse.
::Happy chrismahanukwanzakah, and a good Festivus for the Rest of us! [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:This is far to complicated an issue to answer in a single post. I suggest that you would benifit from [[Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user]]. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 07:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]], there's a [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sennecaster|request for adminship]] open now, if you'd like to take a look and see what it entails. After you reach extended confirmed status, you can register your support or opposition for admin requests. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 18:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::That's ''really'' interesting! I honestly did not expect such a detailed process. I don't know what I ''did'' expect, but it wasn't this. I appreciate your input :) [[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]] ([[User talk:Shovel Shenanigans|talk]]) 18:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Shovel Shenanigans|Shovel Shenanigans]], Like what @[[User:CanonNi|CanonNi]] said, there are also a discussion open about [[Wikipedia:AELECT|administrator elections]], which resulted in 11 admins being promoted back in late October, into becoming an official and alternative process to RfAs. Do note that it's still in a discussion period and isn't an official process. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">[[User:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#3f6b39">'''Cowboygilbert'''</span>]] - [[User talk:Cowboygilbert|<span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span>]]</span> 19:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I edit a comment on an image? ==
:Welcome to the Teahouse! For the structure of the article, [[WP:MOS]] will be of great help. [[WP:REFB]] is the best place for referencing. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 07:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I uploaded an image. I included a summary. That summary became both a comment and a summary. I made a mistake in the summary. I can correct the summary but not the comment. I had to delete the image and upload it again. How do I edit the comment? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RussellBell|contribs]]) 22:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Thanks -Amadscientist. I just try it out. That will be fine for me to learn. [[User:Vishnuram7|Vishnuram7]] ([[User talk:Vishnuram7|talk]]) 07:41, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:What image are you referring to? You've never uploaded an image to en.wikipedia, and only one image to Commons where there doesn't appear to be any subsequent editing by you and it wasn't previously deleted. It was also upload 1.5 years ago. So, kinda hard to know what you're talking about. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::It's for a non-Wikipedia wiki. I thought the rules were the same. https://jfwiki.org/index.php?title=File:JoeRuthTeddyJudyRear_BenFritzeFritzi_Seated.jpeg [[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell|talk]]) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:That said, @[[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]], I'm not clear how you can claim copyright on [[:File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif]], or say that it's your own work. Either the copyright is held by whichever government deparment issued it, or else it may be in the [[WP:public domain|public domain]] No way can it be yours. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::I received the letter in response to a query I made - doesn't that make it mine? I deleted the portion that had my name and address. I'll be glad to reclassify it - how would I?[[User:RussellBell|RussellBell]] ([[User talk:RussellBell|talk]]) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Even if you get a letter. You didn't produced the letter or the extract in attachment itself.
:::Therefore , it is not your work as Cullen328 '''(12/24/2024 23:33 UTC time)''' and Marchjully '''(12/24/2024 23:58 UTC time)''' explained. <br /> <br />
:::Also , in the extract of the birth certificate published in '''"05/25/2023"''' on '''"Wikipedia in English"''' , it does means nearly 13 years after the production of the document in '''"06/21/2010"'''. There are an incacurate description. <br /> <br />
:::The description is inacurate for the next reason. It is wrote ''"This is the extract from Joe's birth certificate. Only family members can get the whole."''. <br /> <br />
:::For a birth certificate or another "[[vital record]]" detained by French authorities , not all family members can have access to a full birth certificate.
:::You can correct by '''"some family members"''' or anything similar meaning that not all family members can. <br /> <br /> <br />
:::For vital records less than 75 years old. Only the person concerned and some family members can access the full document. <br /> <br />
:::These family members are the spouse , person who have a "[[Civil solidarity pact]]" with the person , parents or grand-parents or any others ascendants '''(For example a great-grandparent)''' and your child or grand-child or any others descendants '''(For example a great-grandchild)'''.
:::If a vital record is 75 years old or older. Everybody have legally access to it. <br /> <br />
:::To finalise this message. Marchjuly '''(12/25/2024 00:14 UTC time)''' explained this kind of document is generally considered as a primary source. [[User:Anatole-berthe|Anatole-berthe]] ([[User talk:Anatole-berthe|talk]]) 00:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|RussellBell}}, you may own a piece of paper, but that does not make its content your "own work". Only the government official or the agency who created the document can call it their "own work". [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 23:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|RussellBell}} The information posted above by {{u|Cullen328}} and {{u|ColinFine}} is information that not only applies to Wikipedia, but image licensing in general; in other words, physical possession of something doesn't mean you're also the intellectual property rights holder of said thing. Some documents containing nothing more than factual information (particularly those created by the US federal government) can be ineligible for copyright protection under US copyright law, but the copyright laws of other countries might treat such documents differently and Wikimedia Commons policy requires that the content it hosts be licensed acceptably in accordance with US copyright law and [[:c:COM:PUBLISH|the copyright law of the country of first publication]]. Given the address on the letter, you might find [[:c:COM:France]] helpful in sorting out the latter. The text of the letter and any other imagery contained therein, on the other hand, could be eligible for copyright protection separately from the enclosed document itself. All of this is really a moot point, though, because the website {{url|www.jfwiki.org}} that you're asking about is completely unrelated to English Wikipedia or any other sites run by the Wikimedia Foundation; so, if you've got specific questions related to that site, you're going to need to contact whoever runs that site and resolve things with them. That website most likely has its own rules and you're going to need to comply with them if you want to add content to that site. The Wikipedia Teahouse is set up to deal with questions related to English Wikipedia (and perhaps its sister projects); it's not really intended to be a general information help desk or a help desk for other websites. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 23:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Regarding [[:File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif]] and separately from its copyright status, you don't really need to upload an image of a document to cite said document as a source for a Wikipedia article like you did in the case of [[:Joe Frank]]. You can just cite the document itself as long as it meets Wikipedia's definition of a [[:WP:RS|reliable source]] and is used in [[:WP:RSCONTEXT|proper context]]; birth certificates, death certificates and other types of official documents are generally treated as [[:WP:PRIMARY]] sources though and need to be used carefully. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== How do I change my method of donation to a different source. ==
:Thanks -Ushau97. For references which will be useful for me. [[User:Vishnuram7|Vishnuram7]] ([[User talk:Vishnuram7|talk]]) 07:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I recently had to change all my credit cards due to being hacked. I need to change my monthly donation to a new card number but cannot find how to do this. Thank you for your help. [[User:Buffalogirlofwy|Buffalogirlofwy]] ([[User talk:Buffalogirlofwy|talk]]) 02:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== How to remove ip address if you edited without logging in ==


== Un-archiving a talk topic ==
How to remove ip address if you edited without logging in[[User:Maggieneal|Maggieneal]] ([[User talk:Maggieneal|talk]]) 19:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse! [[wp:oversighters|Oversighters]] have the technical ability to suppress usernames and IP adresses from article histories. I cannot promise that this will work because oversighters have to be very careful what they suppress. — '''[[User:Nerdfighter|<font color=#088A08>nerd</font color=#088A08>]][[User_Talk:Nerdfighter|<font color=#0489B1>fighter</font color=#0489B1>]]''' 21:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


I made a talk topic and somebody immediately archived it saying that it's already been addressed. I believe that my topic is different from what was discussed previously, and I made a comment on the talk page there proposing to un-archive my topic. Nobody responded and it's been a couple of days. Is it safe to go ahead and just un-archive it myself, or is that considered disruptive? [[User:Lardlegwarmers|Lardlegwarmers]] ([[User talk:Lardlegwarmers|talk]]) 03:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Contact the oversighters '''privately''', and they are required by their policy to oversight the IP address for you :) This means that nobody except the small (no more than 30ish) Oversight team can view the IP, and they're trusted with the tools because they won't release it to anyone. Don't worry, it happens to me too sometimes :) [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 21:16, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:You mean [[Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#Mention_House_Subcommittee_in_section_on_Political,_academic_and_media_attention]]? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I am copying the relevant part of [[Wikipedia:Oversight/FAQ]] for your convenience
:'''Q:''' How do I request oversight or suppression?<br>
:'''A:''' Follow the directions at [[Wikipedia:Requests for oversight]] which may be summarized:
:* [[Special:Emailuser/Oversight|Use this form]] if you have a Wikipedia account with Wikipedia email enabled <small>([[Special:Preferences|click here to enable account email]])</small>;
:* Use your normal email and write to {{color|SaddleBrown|<u>{{nowrap|{{NonSpamEmail|oversight-en-wp|wikipedia.org}}}}</u>}};
:* Contact an oversighter personally, ensuring you do not repeat any sensitive information on-wiki.
<br>
:'''Q:''' I have a Wikipedia account, but I forgot to log into it before editing, and now my IP address is attached to my edits. Can you remove it?<br>
:'''A:''' Yes. The IPs of account-holders are considered private information. You may contact an oversighter to request suppression of your IP. Please note that this courtesy is ''not'' intended to allow registered editors to edit logged out to avoid scrutiny of their actions; it is intended only for accidental use of an IP rather than an account.<br>
I hope this will help you. Thank you<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 18:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
== Best principles when creating an article about a person ==


== Bad quality images for BLP individuals ==
Hi wiki users,


What are the best principles to follow when creating an article about an author to ensure the article doesn't get deleted? [[User:MatthewBeech92|MatthewBeech92]] ([[User talk:MatthewBeech92|talk]]) 17:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
If the only image(s) available for a BLP article is of bad quality and/or very outdated (for example a mugshot from decades ago), is using the image preferred or not using any image at all preferred? [[User:Zinderboff|Zinderboff]] [[User talk:Zinderboff|(talk)]] 04:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Zinderboff}} I wouldn't use a mug shot from decades ago per [[:WP:MUG]], particularly as the primary image at the top of the article, but an older image that's freely licensed could be used even if it's not of the best quality. Whether that's preferable to using no image at all might be something worth discussing on the article's talk page, but it's important to remember that a Wikipedia article about a living person is an encyclopedic article about the person as a whole (from birth to present day) and even an older image can still have encyclopedic value; in other words, the article doesn't need to show the person as they look at this particular moment in time. Finally, given you're asking about a BLP, a [[:WP:NFC|non-free image]] is most likely not going to be considered in compliance with [[:Wp:NFCC|Wikipedia's non-free content use policy]]; so, if you're trying to find a recent image to use for primary identification purposes, you're going to need to find one that has already been released under a license that's pretty much in accordance with [[:c:Commons:Licensing]], or you're going to need to get the copyright holder of the image to given their [[:WP:CONSENT]]. You can try [[:WP:PERMISSION]] if you want to ask a copyright holder to release their image under a license that's free enough for Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revising and submitting a new Help:IPA page ==
:Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! The first thing to do is to find enough reliable sources (newspapers, books, etc.) to support the subject's notability. If there at least a few of these sources, the article should be able to stand. If the subject of the article is still alive, it is [[WP:BLP|especially important to use sources]]. There are one or two other guidelines to follow, like maintaining a neutral point of view. Good luck, <sup>[[User: King jakob c 2|<font color = "red">King</font>]]</sup> [[User talk: King jakob c 2|<font color = "green">Jakob</font>]] <sub>[[Special:Contributions/King jakob c 2|<font color = "blue">C2</font>]]</sub> 17:46, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


I was referred here by User:Timrent after submitting a draft for a proposed Help:IPA page for the Kannada language. Please let me know how I can improve this draft and where I can submit my revisions for proper review.
:Thanks Guys (Gals?)
I'm brand spankin' new to this...hate to say I'm unsure how to reach an oversighter. Just went to the page and tried a few (hit talk). Advice on getting a message to one?[[Special:Contributions/75.84.246.254|75.84.246.254]] ([[User talk:75.84.246.254|talk]]) 21:28, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:I hope the above section [[#How to remove ip address if you edited without logging in]] would help you too.<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 18:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::If the we are talking about a living person or anyone who has died within the last 115 years we have a policy page that covers the manner in which to deal with [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|Biographies of living persons]]. There are many guidelines, not just one or two. No direspect to King jakob. Please take a minute to review our policies and guidelines. If you have any questions or concerns you may ask on my talk page. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 22:13, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


Link to draft: [[Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada]] [[User:Krzapex|Krzapex]] ([[User talk:Krzapex|talk]]) 07:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Contribution to article ==


== Editor considers source invalid ==
Is there any way to convince the readers to improve a particular article?[[User:Farhajking|Farhajking]] ([[User talk:Farhajking|talk]]) 14:13, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I suppose the most common way would to put a "complainer" template at the top of the page addressing a particular issue, such as [[Template:Expand article]], [[Template:Copy edit]], [[Template:Refimprove]], etc. You could add a desperate plea to the talk page as well, but not many people read talk pages. The only real way to get things done, imo, is doing them yourself.


I created an entry for an art historian who is included in a standard source for the field, the Dictionary of Art Historians (https://arthistorians.info/). I included one reference to the DAH entry at the beginning instead of referencing each fact from it. User:BoyTheKingCanDance deleted nearly my entire entry for lack of third-party sources but I have seen the DAH used to reference biographical facts for many other art historians. [[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]] ([[User talk:Edanziger|talk]]) 07:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:—[[User:Strachkvas|Strachkvas]] ([[User talk:Strachkvas|talk]]) 14:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
::That is actually an interesting question. You see we seperate "reader" from "editors". There is really a conserted effort to keep that seperation. A reader is someone who comes to the encyclopedia to look for information contained in an article and an editor is one who creates that content. If you are interested in encouraging readers to become editors you may have a real uphill climb...but I encourage it myself. Good question. Happy editing.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 14:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
::: On this subject I have a related question. A recent, and confirmed, news article has arisen which I believe is significant enough to be added to the Wikipedia article for [[Dennis Bergkamp]]. Within the [[Talk:Dennis_Bergkamp|talk]] page for this article I have asked the wider community for their thoughts on the development before any changes are made to the article. However, should no one respond am I able to make this change myself given I have links to credible, official and usable sources online too? [[User:Cmhardi1|Cmhardi1]] ([[User talk:Cmhardi1|talk]]) 17:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


:Hi, @[[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]]! (and courtesy ping to@[[User:BoyTheKingCanDance|BoyTheKingCanDance]]) Art history isn't my thing, but I'm assuming you're talking about the article [[Douglas Lewis (art historian)]]? There seems to have been a slight misunderstanding here. Because you didn't use inline references, BTKCD probably missed that the "unreferenced" material was, in fact, supported by the source. I'll restore the material for you - but I want to let you you about one thing. You copied the entire article from the Dictionary of Art Historians page. Normally that wouldn't be okay because of copyright laws, but as the website makes all their text available under a [[Creative Commons]] commercial license (CC-BY SA 4), it's fine. However, whenever you import freely-licensed text into Wikipedia, you need to attribute it. You can do this by adding a template to the reference(s) - in this case, specifically the {{tl|Creative Commons text attribution notice}} or {{tl|CCBYSA4Source}}. You can read more instructions here: [[WP:FREECOPY]].
== How many sources for notability ==
:In the future, you can avoid this by using [[WP:INLINE|inline references]], so other people can easily see where you got your information from. I hope that helps! [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

:It would be worth hunting down some alternative sources anyway as you've only got the one source then I don't know how if this subject will meet [[WP:NBIO]]. It doesn't help that the WaPo links at the end seem to be broken. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Collapse top|CLOSED|The following discussions have been closed. {{strongbad|Please do not modify it.}}}}
:{{ping|Edanziger}} Just going to add that even if the content of the ''Dictionary of Art Historians'' page is OK from a copyright standpoint, it would still probably be better for you to summarize said content in your own words than to simply copy-and-paste it verbatim into the Wikipedia article. The website hosting the content isn't really subject to any of Wikipedia policies and guidelines or even Wikipedia's [[:MOS:MOS|Manual of Style]], and third-party website content can often be written in a manner that's not suitable for Wikipedia's purposes. By rewriting the content in your own words, you have a chance to make sure it's appropriate for Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I submitted an AFC about a perfectly notable film with tons of google hits and plenty of reviews in ''The Guardian'', ''The New York Times,'' etc., and existing mentions in other Wikipedia articles. I was surprised there was no article.
:Thank you for the suggestions, everyone! I’ll return to this after the holidays. [[User:Edanziger|Edanziger]] ([[User talk:Edanziger|talk]]) 08:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The AFC was declined because there was an insufficient number of sources.

I get sent to a link about notability that says nothing about the number of sources.

How many sources do I need? 5? 17? 29.5? It doesn't say anywhere, yet, here my article on a notable topic is rejected because I don't have the right number of sources.

I no longer care about the article.

I would like a number for future references though. 7? Is that enough? Is 16 too few?

How many sources, and, of course I would like a link to community consensus about the number.

Thanks, -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 03:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse :) There's no set number of references. It's however many it takes to prove to us that it deserves an article. A general rule of thumb is longer articles need longer reference lists, i.e. more references. Hope this helps! [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 03:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
{{cot}}
::If there is no set number, stop telling me there is. And, since you don't want to talk to IPs, please don't continue participating in this discussion. It's rude. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:09, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::A "general number" is not a set number. Stop making accusations about my communication or this conversation will be stopped. [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 04:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::::I am not having a conversation with you; your hostility is obvious, and I asked you twice to stop contributing and let someone else help me out in this. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
{{cob}}
:Hi and welcome! I am confused by the article in question; if I were the reviewer, I probably would have accepted it as it seems reasonably well cited to me... especially compared to some other articles, but that's beside the point. Perhaps you could ask the reviewer on his/her talk page why he/she rejected it or did not feel the topic was notable. As for a general number, I think four independent, reputable sources that dedicate non-routine coverage to the topic is plenty, though that can definitely vary on a case-by-case basis. Thanks for the question, and sorry for your disappointment! [[User: Go Phightins!|<span style="color:blue">'''Go'''</span>]] [[User talk:Go Phightins!|<span style="color:#E90004">'''''Phightins'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Go_Phightins!|<span style="color:#008504">'''!'''</span>]] 03:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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::I can't ask the reviewer anything on his talk page because the reviewer does not allow IPs to post on his talk page--so, he should not be doing AFC. The film is quite notable, extensively reviewed by major newspapers, and the article was a fine stub on the topic. I will just crowd the director's article instead. Random number, 4? No set number elsewhere? Two is okay in one policy page? Again, just hostile to non-members, imo. And now ''The Guardian'' and ''The New York Times'' are questionable sources? You don't want to work with IPs, then please don't. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:09, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::I have a notice at the very top with a link to a page you ''can'' post on if you'd like to. I will respond there as if it were my own talkpage. They didn't cover it in the depth and as many sources as I felt was needed. You blanking the page angrily and walking away in a huff didn't help either. [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 04:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::::I didn't walk away in a huff. I am still sitting at the same computer. I also didn't blank the article angrily; I blanked it with purpose. I didn't see any notice on your talk page, and is that just to keep IPs separate? It doesn't change the issue; you don't want conversations with IPs, you won't allow another letter to assist me with this matter. You won't say what number is required, and it's not your decision anyhow, it's supposed to be community consensus. And, as for blanking the page, it took me longer than it took you to speedy it. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh, I'm supposed to edit the red link to post a question to you? I'm an IP, I can't edit red links. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::The article only had two, questionable sources before I declined it the first time, added tons more, then blanked the article. [[User:gwickwire|<span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span>]]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>[[user talk:gwickwire|talk]]</sup></span><sub>[[special:contributions/gwickwire|editing]]</sub> 04:05, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Of course I blanked the article. That's all I was interested in was including an article on a notable topic that is missing. You want a relationship, with someone you won't allow to speak to you on your talk page. I can't win. I have to blank the article now that you're involved, because the article is off the table with you. You sure got that speedy up mighty quickly, too, didn't you? -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::::This is getting a bit heated. 68.99.89.234 '''please don't take offense''', we are all just volunteers trying our best. There are ''[[WP:AFTERDELETE|"several" options available]]'' to you please see [[WP:AFTERDELETE]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:22, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::Nothing has been deleted, so I don't know what this post is about, but at least it was to a subheading. Thanks. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Go Phightins! for the answer. I would like to know the number here. This is supposed to be a friendly place to ask questions, and User:qwickwire is anything but friendly and cannot take me to community consensus to support anything he says.

I asked quickwire not to respond, because he is curt and is citing pages that do not offer the information I am seeking. I know we are all volunteers here; in spite of the way I am being treated by qwickwire, I am a volunteer here also. And I was trying my best to create an article about a topic with hundreds of thousands of google hits, being surprised none of them were the Wikipedia article, a useful place to go for quick general information.

I would appreciate response from anyone besides qwickwire so I don't run into this again. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:26, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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:(restored post) Have you tried talking to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Film]] about this? They are a group of editors that have an interests in this topic overall. Give them a shout out - tell them about the movie. I will join you there and help with references and lets see what they think. May get a few involved and have a great new article if they believe its notable.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 11:32 pm, Today (UTC−5)
::Moxy, thanks for the idea. I don't know why you deleted it, but I did post there. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:47, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Sorry I misunderstood what was going on. Will meet you there.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::Please don't argue here. The Teahouse is not a place for disagreements. It is rather a ''friendly'' place for new or (experienced) users to ask questions. As for the AfC submission, I don't think it should have been declined with ''Needs more sources to establish notability''. The submission have got enough [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. And I don't think it have got a [[WP:GNG|notability]] issue. And once again, please stop the arguments here. Thanks. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 04:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Who's arguing? Moxy posted a great idea, I took him up on it, qwickwire finally stopped posting. A bit of a dead horse overall. But, yes, the film is completely notable and should not have been declined in the state I submitted it. The film folk, however, have offered, through Moxy, to take care of it. done. [[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 04:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah. That's great that you have moved the issue to [[WT:FILM]]. And I see that [[User:Floquenbeam]] have also declined the speedy. That means you have got good chances to submit it back and move it to article space. Maybe I might think of reviewing it, if you submit it back with [[WP:AGF|good faith]]. Regards. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 05:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::As I said above, I think the film folks are already on top of it. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 05:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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:::FWIW, I made the link at the top of glickwire's page for IP's to use live. I am sure that his intention was not to avoid talking to legit IP editors especially those creating articles at AfC. He has had some persistent vandalism on his talk page from IP editors, so it is semi protected so IP editors cannot post there. As I am sure you know, blocking is not a very effective tool to use on IP editors who commit persistent vandalism; changing your IP is as simple as unplugging your modem and plugging it back in! so when a page is hit with persistent vandalism from IP editors, it is semi protected, which stops all editing from IP editors. To date, no-one has found a better solution, and talk pages are only semi protected in extreme cases, so I am sure someone had been vandalizing glickwire pretty heavily. You could have actually made that link live too, but no-one is knocking you for not knowing that. Happy editing! [[User:Gtwfan52|Gtwfan52]] ([[User talk:Gtwfan52|talk]]) 05:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately because it is redlinked on his page, it was not obvious that I could have edited it. A lot of editors include somewhat rude jokes on their pages; I have seen fake "You have a new message" signs, and encountered a joke redirect from an editor, etc., etc., so I didn't bother to click. Blue-linking it might help. It is something to consider when an editor has so much vandalism from IPs that they have to block IPs from editing their talk page, maybe they should take a break from AFCs for IPs until the vandalism quiets down. Thanks for taking the time to clear that up, though. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 05:47, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry folks, if this offends anyone, but this needs to be carried on elsewhere if more needs to be discussed. Thanks.--[[User:Amadscientist|Amadscientist]] ([[User talk:Amadscientist|talk]]) 10:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:Taken where, where it was already taken five hours ago? Why did you call stuff extended content that wasn't and hide it? Friendly often means respectful. I am offended to be told to carry this on elsewhere after it had obviously been ended here and taken elsewhere. It seems unfriendly and unnecessary.
:I created a fine article, I got told randomly to read one long page, directed to an unrelated page, told I could edit a red link, then told, no, I should have read another long page that isn't relevant to the problems with the article that don't exist, now I'm being criticized for my judgement on another page, for my judgement about an article that I read and the critique didn't read, you close my comments as "extended comments," and now you tell me that I need to carry on a conversation elsewhere, when the conversation ended hours ago, because it was moved elsewhere on on the solid advice of a helpful editor, which it clearly states here.
:If this is not a friendly place, don't claim it is. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) 11:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I am done here, now, officially, no need for anyone else to criticize me about anything here. The criticism has been moved. And I stopped participating in it in its new place. -[[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]] ([[User talk:68.99.89.234|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:28, 10 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Okay, I believe '''no further discussion should take place''' about this issue here at the Teahouse and hence I have closed it. [[Special:Contributions/68.99.89.234|68.99.89.234]], your article have been created and no need to talk about it further if you don't want to. If anyone wants to further discuss this issue, discuss it at the [[Wikipedia_talk:FILM#Comments|appropriate place]]. If you don't want further discussion, fine, then stop. Once again, if there is anyone who wants to discuss about this issue, please do not continue it here. Thanks. --[[User:Ushau97|<font color="teal">'''Ushau97'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ushau97|<font color="blue">talk</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ushau97|<font color="blue">contribs</font>]]</sup> 12:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Cyprus military ranks

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I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO and other ranks

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NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.[1]

NATO code OR-9 OR-8 OR-7 OR-6 OR-5 OR-4 OR-3 OR-2 OR-1
 Hellenic Army[2]
Arm/corps insignia only
Ανθυπασπιστής[a]
Anthypaspistis
Αρχιλοχίας
Archilochias
Επιλοχίας
Epilochias
Λοχίας
Lochias
Δεκανέας
Dekaneas
Υποδεκανέας
Ypodekaneas
Στρατιώτης
Stratiotis
 Greece
(Conscripts)
No equivalent
No insignia
Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός
Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos[a]
Λοχίας
Lochias
Δεκανέας
Dekaneas
Υποδεκανέας
Ypodekaneas
Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος
Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos
Στρατιώτης
Stratiotis
  1. ^ tanea.gr (2004-10-11). "Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες»". ΤΑ ΝΕΑ (in Greek). Retrieved 2024-06-10.
  2. ^ "Διακριτικά Φ/Π Στολών Υπαξιωματικών Αποφοίτων ΣΜΥ" [Badges F / P Uniforms of Non-Commissioned Officer Graduates]. army.gr (in Greek). Hellenic Army. Retrieved 26 May 2021.

References

Notes

  1. ^ a b Greece has only one level of Warrant Officer. According to the current issue (2021) of STANAG 2116, the Greek Warrant Officers are included in OR-9, however they are afforded the privileges of an officer. See STANAG 2116 note 29, page D-9
  • @Hog Farm: Hi. Would you be able to answer this question? I mean, does it come under the field you are knowledgeable about (MILHIST)? I already have a program/bot that finds the creators of discussions, I will ping the OP in few hours. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rules of recommendations to add links in an article

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Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.

I'm talking about internal links to Wikipedia in English.

As an example. We can choose the article "Bashar Al-Assad".
If there are a section or a sub-section citing "Moscow" (This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article).

If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?

If you don't understand what I means with words "section" and "sub-section".
You can see the example below.

Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site?

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Hi Everyone,

I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia and how it works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, David notMD. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Wikipedia. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor
I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See WP:Editing before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. Tesleemah (talk) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable can write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.
See WP:Golden Rule. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are independent of you, providing significant coverage of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I get it. Thank you. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to first work on a draft for an article and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "abandon" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the Wikipedia article namespace, pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for WP:DELETION. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing (particularly the WP:COISELF and WP:LUC sections), Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny.
Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. Valereee (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with WP:PAID; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of WP:SCAMs out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Wikipedia won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying WP:RA (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a WikiProject that might be related to whatever you think makes you Wikipedia notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Wikipedia operates in the WP:REALWORLD, and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.
Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Wikipedia articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Wikipedia for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Wikipedia article created about them is for them to do enough Wikipedia notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Wikipedia article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better WP:ALTERNATIVEs these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. Valereee (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Wikipedia has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained here; Wikipedia, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable independent sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page.
That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox

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Is there any way to use existing articles as template sorta things for the sandbox? Any help is appreciated! Willzdawgh (talk) 04:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Willzdawgh. Yes. you can copy an existing article into your sandbox, but for attribution purposes, you should use an edit summary of something like "Copying (article title) into my sandbox for article development purposes". Wikilink the article in question where I said (article title). Cullen328 (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Copying Donald Trump into my sandbox for article development purposes
Like that? Willzdawgh (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a massive and highly controversial article, Willzdawgh. Why on earth would you select that article? Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. Willzdawgh (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize. If you're here to experiment, I recommend scouting scouting out stub articles via Special:RandomPage, pasting the wikitext into your sandbox, and messing around with the source there. If you need any help, you can refer to the tutorial at Help:Wikitext, the cheatsheet at Help:Cheatsheet, or an experienced editor (not me.) Thanks for asking, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Something like that should be done either A) on your computer or B) in your sandbox. Certainly not on a massive and controversial page like Donald Trump User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Willzdawgh Applying the Hypertranslate software to the text of an existing article and then replacing the original text would be considered vandalism and would result in your account being indefinitely blocked. If all you are is curious about what repeated Google Translate would do to any Wikipedia text, do that on your own computer and do not bring it back to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passive voice in articles

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 Courtesy link: Sacred Reich (sandbox)

I'm working on a draft for the Sacred Reich article (at my sandbox) for a major edit, and I ran my text through numerous grammar/spellcheckers like EasyBib and Grammarly. The most common—and most confusing—is on the use of passive voice. For context, passive voice is "the ball was kicked by Jeremy", while active voice is "Jeremy kicked the ball". I don't know whether or not I should be using passive voice in my prose (i.e. "Greg Hall was fired from the band and was replaced by drummer Tim Radziwill). I have attempted to use featured articles as examples, but usually doesn't seem to happen because of the abundance of information on the subject (i.e The Beatles or Alice in Chains) compared to a band like Sacred Reich. In my opinion, I'm not sure whether or not to use passive voice because it sounds rough when introducing a new member.

For example, "Greg Hall ... was replaced by Dave McClain ... later that year." vs. "Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall later that year." usually justifies using passive voice, but in context, this his first mention in the article and it disrupts the flow of the prose. In context:

Sacred Reich toured for nearly two years in support of The American Way, headlining major tours with Atrophy, Obituary, and Forced Entry. They also supported Venom in Europe and for Sepultura on their Arise tour in both Europe and North America. In 1991, the band released an EP, titled A Question. Former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found their extensive touring to be difficult, later that year.

I'm still not sure if it justifies using active voice or not. If it does, please let me know. On a side note, I've noticed an abundance of the phrase "later that year" in my writing, and I don't know how to rewrite it properly because of vague dates in the source material. If anyone can help me with that as well, please let me know so I can get rid of the repetition. Thanks for reading. —Sparkle and Fade talkedits 04:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's clunky because of where you put 'later that year'. It reads much better if you put it first - Later that year former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found the extensive touring difficult. I don't think you should worry too much about active vs passive voice. Despite what grammar checkers might tell you, there's no one right way to write. Blackballnz (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip, Blackballnz. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade talkedits 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my view, Sparkle & Fade, the active voice is almost always best for writing encyclopedia articles. We favor a direct, clear and concise style of writing. Here is a good explanation from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. Wikipedia:Writing better articles also offers a lot of good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
passive voice is best used when you have to avoid to ascribe an action to someone. Example: somebody was fired from the band. The reference uses passive voice, thereby avoiding to say who did it. Now you have a choice. Either search for a reference, that says who was firing or use passive voice too to avoid to say who did the firing. What you can't do is to figure out who could do the firings in general and then ascribe that firing to him in active voice! 176.0.139.10 (talk) 12:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When it matters (and you know) who took the action, use the active. When it's not important who was the actor, by all means use the passive. Grammarly and its friends express a prejudice against the passive which appeared in the early 20th C, often by writers who failed to follow their own injunction, and sometimes appeared unable to detect a passive accurately. See http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003380.html. ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
here's what every professor in college ever told me about writing expository, "use active voice!" It doesn't always sound good, but we aren't trying to be artistic or poetic with expository, we are trying to be clear and concise, and active voice is always the clearer choice.
Also, if you move "later that year" to the beginning of the sentence as one contributor suggested, please put a comma after "year" as it is a prepositional phrase. I.e. Later that year, former S.A. Slayer member... BTW, I do agree with putting it at the beginning. It sounds better and makes the sentence clearer. Dougjaso (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, also note what our Manual of Style says in MOS:PASSIVE:

The passive voice is inappropriate for some forms of writing, but it is widely used in encyclopedia articles, because the passive voice avoids inappropriate first- and second-person constructions as well as tone problems. The most common uses of encyclopedic passive are to keep the focus on the subject instead of performing a news-style shift to dwelling on a non-notable party.

CodeTalker (talk) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New editor needs some help.

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Hi there, I'm new. I wrote 2 drafts: 1 about an Internship Program which I found interested in, 1 is a course in social science field. I submitted 2 drafts and all rejected.

After editing few more things. I still don't know how to make references more reliable, or which content is the promoting material?

Here is my 2 drafts: MIP and Vietnamese writing practice Miyano25 (talk) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miyano25 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Your drafts were "declined", meaning that they may be resubmitted.
Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- such as a notable organization. Regarding MIP, you did a great job telling about the structure of the program and its offerings- but that's not what we're looking for(alone, at least). We're looking for a summary of what others say about the program. The same goes for the Vietnamese course. You can't "make references more reliable"- they either are, or they're not. Reliable sources are those which have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- like reputable news outlets(just one example). 331dot (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see, thanks for explaining. Is it okay if I can summarize what other people say about the program but don't have a source to back it up, or have a source but it's not reliable to make it as a source? Miyano25 (talk) 14:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist preferences and settings

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My watchlist continues to show categorization edits, despite checking <Hide categorization of pages> in my preferences. I've tried both the javascript and the non-javascript watchlists. The unwanted watchlist edits that do appear seem to all be made via either HotCat or Cat-a-lot. They aren't marked as minor edits, but I actually don't want to hide all minor edits. I have also selected the watchlist filter <Human (not bot)>, without luck; perhaps because they're merely semi-automated edits (as opposed to actual bots?). I have checked the tag to exclude all AWB edits, which does work for those. Does anyone have any thoughts? Scottyoak2 (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you speaking about the Watchlist for Wikipedia in English language ?

Can you make screenshots ? I can possibly help you with some screenshots but I can't guarantee I can help you with efficiency. Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. The English Wikipedia, yes. I just was hoping that someone might already know how to filter out streams of edits made with HotCat or Cat-a-lot that sometimes flood my watchlist. If not, I can take a pair of pruning shears to my watchlist--an activity which might make a good New Year's resolution. Scottyoak2 (talk) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you seeing edits to pages on you watchlist that happen to change the categories? Or is the category itself on your watchlist? Because I think the "Hide categorization of pages" setting only applies to categories you are watching. So if you uncheck that preference, and you add a category to your watchlist, you'll see any page that is added to or removed from that category show up in your watchlist. With the preference enabled, you won't see those changes, but you'd still see changes to the category itself, for example to the description.
I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter out category-change edits to pages you see watching, because those edits are fundamentally just regular edits. And they are usually not minor edits, because category changes can be quite controversial sometimes, especially around BLPs or other contentious topics. --rchard2scout (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technical question about the long hyphen

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Hi!

I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?

Thanks! Moonshane1933 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Moonshane1933. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See MOS:EMDASH ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you could find a better character in "unicode table".
This "article" is listing the most common characters.

There are also the "Unicode block" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring the Minus sign, there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the N-dash and the M-dash. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonshane1933 If you use the source editor, which you can do even if you mainly edit with the visual editor, you'll find that the N-dash and M-dash appear at the foot of the editing window, where you can click on them to insert them into text. Other useful tags like <ref></ref> are also available with a single click. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This may be the wrong place to mention this

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On the page Lowercase Sigmabot |||, there is a infobox; in that infobox lies an image of a supposed “plane” labeled “Lowercase sigmabot ||| archiving a discussion” or something like that. Is this a joke by the moderators of Wikipedia? Selectortopic (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an article but an Userpage. Humor is allowed on this kind of page.
If you click on my nickname. You could read my page. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Selectortopic, it's a joke by whoever edited that page (actually the user, @Lowercase sigmabot III). We don't have moderators, and admins have no role in the content of articles (though the users who are admins may have, but not in their admin role) ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Selectortopic: It's a humorous remark added by the bot operator [1] who is not an administrator. Many bot operators are normal users. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anatole-berthe See WP:BOTR page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can i improve my page?

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I'm actually working on the wikipedia page Villa Fraccaroli for a university project, i need to improve the page to be categorized as B before the 31 of december to get a good mark (it's actually start class), it is really difficult to find some good and reliable sources. Thank you in advance! Liucmicol01 (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is not realistic to expect this page be categorized B before the 31 of december.
Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Liucmicol01, the lead (opening section) of an article should summarise the body of the article. As faar as I can tell, the second paragraph of Villa Fraccaroli does not relate to anything in the body of the article. Maproom (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like an unreasonable expectation, as the assessment depends on someone else doing the assessing, and Wikipedia has no deadlines. If your prof -- Limelightangel, it looks like? -- wants to do the assessments, they can, but it's not really reasonable to expect assessments to be done by others. Valereee (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Liucmicol01. As you were told two days ago, there is no way to guarantee that the article will get any particular rating by a particlar date, and few editors are much concerned with ratings anyway. But since you are concerned with ratings, you would do best to ask at the talk page of one of the Wikiprojects related to the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liucmicol01 .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although as MDT pointed out, you could yourself change the rating from C-class to B-class, don't. The article does not qualify. From just a quick look at some of the content and references, the refs do not always verify the content. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Search suggestions have changed for the worse

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I have always been able to count on Wikipedia's search function to provide me with a list of articles connected with the term entered in the search field. Today, however, I'm not getting these, but rather only short and apparently arbitrary lists of articles that I've viewed or edited. When I type "A", for example, I get:

ajedrez
Angelou
Alvin Bragg
Abbot and Costello
Athena
Ari

When I add a "b" to this, the list becomes:

Abbot and Costello
Abe Fortas

When I add an "r", I get nothing, no Abrahams or anything else.

And so on. This is a purely arbitrary example, but I hope it serves to illustrate. What I would always get before would be a list of a dozen or so articles, which was limited but very often helpful. I checked my preferences but all I saw was "Disable the suggestions dropdown-lists of the search fields", which was unchecked as always. Any info or advice on this would be very welcome, thanks. Bret Sterling (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally always use advanced search, but you can try google with the modifier site:en.wikipedia.org to force it to only search wikipedia (or just type "wikipedia" before your search query) Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bret Sterling Are you using the current default WP:VECTOR22 skin? I find that its search box is better than for other, older, skins and the results for "Abr" are perfectly sensible, with the first suggestion being Abr. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for these suggestions, Cmrc23 and Michael D. Turnbull. The Advanced search option does provide me with many good finds and I should have been using it previously, but Content pages gives me results like I used to get directly under the search text field only more of them. I checked my WP skin and saw I was using the current default but still not getting the suggestions, so then I could figure it was something on my end and checked to see if I had "Block scripts" activated in Brave Shields. I saw that I did, deactivated it and now I'm getting the suggestions as before. Sorry, false alarm, this wasn't a Wikipedia change as I wrongly suspected. It's interesting that I could get suggestions on pages I've frequented by turning "Block scripts" back on, and I'm curious as to how that works – I mean the apparently default behavior without whatever the script is. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But wait a minute. Now I'm not getting the alternative search options (Content pages, Multimedia, Everything, Advanced). Claude AI tells me to type "Special:Search" in the search box to access these and this works, but I had them there just now today without doing this. (I couldn't have done it because I was unaware of the possibility.) So how did I have those options for a while but then didn't have them afterwards? And (what may be the same question) how do I get them without having to type "Special:Search" in the search box? I can do that, but it seems clunky and I have to remember the text to type it. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bret Sterling I assume that by turning on "Block scripts" Brave Shields is preventing Javascript from running in your browser. The problem is that, as WP:JAVASCRIPT explains, Java is a core part of how much of Wikipedia works, both the standard Mediawiki software and many optional extras like gadgets and userscripts. So, if you are prevernting that running, you are sacrificing functionality for security. Is there an option in Brave Shields to exempt the Wikipedia domain from the block? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Timezone

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Out of sheer curiosity, what Time zone does Wikipedia operate under? I'm in the Pacific Standard time zone, and the Did You Know... and On This Day... update at around 4:00pm every day. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shovel Shenanigans WP operates under UTC but you can change the defaults you see in your preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shovel Shenanigans If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anatole-berthe That's okay, thank you! Honestly, the daily change at 4:00 helps me stick to my schedule. Since I almost always have Wikipedia open, I know it's time to take a break from my other computer-related work when the DYK and OTD changes.
@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks for the quick reply, and my curiosity has been sated :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's wonderful ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Papiermark and other money from Weimar Germany

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Hi, I inherited some German banknotes from between 1908 and 1923 and I was wondering wether I could upload scans of them to Wikimedia. I scanned them in out of personal interest and then thought they might be useful.

My main question is about copyright, as in, do I have to ask someone for permission and if so who? But also whether I should digitally sharpen them and how do I properly sort them in? I'm quite new to this and any help is appreciated! The scans are at 1200dpi and saved as 98% JPEGs, with filesizes between 5 and 20MB. I already skimmed over WP:IUP but couldn't find anything related to money or bank notes and I read the copyright data of this scan but I'm unsure if this also applies to my case. Skylar Mlem (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, do you know who made the designs for the original banknotes? You might want to review the copyright information for this file: File:Banknote - Sächsische Bank zu Dresden - 100 Mark - 1911.jpg Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Skylar Mlem. The best place to ask about this sort of question is WP:MCQ. ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Skylar Mlem Another place, possibly better?, is at Wikipedia Commons where you will upload your images, and ultimately will have to defend copyright status. The help center for copyright issues at Commons is at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. You might find this old, archived Commons discussion on the copyright status of § German currency interesting as well. Mathglot (talk) 06:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I welcome a new user?

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I noticed a new user that hasn't been welcomed yet. I've seen the templates used on other talk pages; should I just copy paste the source and adapt, or is there a welcome button I can use instead? guninvalid (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Guninvalid. There are a number of welcome templates to choose from. Also, if you enable WP:TWINKLE, it has a dropdown menu that lets you select the welcome message that you want to leave on a user talk page, much easier that way. (Twinkle has a bunch of other really useful functions as well.) Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guninvalid this might be of use to you, Wikipedia:Welcoming committee Knitsey (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't matter anymore, the user I wanted to welcome got blocked by the checkuser. I only wanted to welcome them because I posted them on WP:AN and I noticed they had never been welcomed. guninvalid (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery Dungeon additional info

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Hey I just noticed that the mystery dungeon series is missing an entry and I wasnt sure where to ask to add it, this just seemed like the closest thing to an editor contact place. The entry in question is "Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy!" , released back in 2019 176.6.56.156 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article "Chocobo (series)" is not at all long; adequately referenced material about individual items in the series could be added to this article. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a edited page when I was not logged in,now I am logged in,how do I get it back?

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How,how do I get it back? 219.78.249.54 (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were not logged in when you made this post. When you are correctly logged in, you can edit your userpage to reflect articles that you have worked on as an IP editor. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And to find the pages you edited, look for your contributions: Special:Contributions/--Your-username--. eg Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54 shows editing Residence Oasis, but Sumanuil reverted all the edits. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving my English Wikipedia user page to media wiki for a global user page

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I can move my English user page to media wiki to have a global page for all sister projects? I know I can just ask to delete my English page and make a media wiki one but I kinda wanna move it for the edit history. If I can't move it to media wiki ill just move it to User:Anthony2106/old user page Anthony2106 (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you are asking for @Anthony2106: is an import. You would have to find an administrator on meta, but even so may not be actionable. Instead I would advise you just to create a new page yourself on meta, as you will find that many templates are unavailable there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You saying they will only import important things -- not user pages? Also i'm not worried about the templates as I can use {{:w to get wikipedia templates. Anthony2106 (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On this topic, I was wondering if making an account on english wikipedia counts as a global account for wikipedia purposes Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmrc23 Did you created your account on "Wikipedia in English language" as first account for projects of Wikimedia ?

If you go on any Wikipedia language version or another Wikimedia project. If you click on "login" you can log into it.
I created my account on "French Wikipedia" as first account for projects of Wikimedia.

I can create accounts with the stuff I explained. Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there are not enough userboxes on meta-wiki and that trick {{w: didn't work so maybe ill just leave it on Wikipedia. Anthony2106 (talk) 06:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic BLP and stubifying

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I've come across a BLP, Clifford M. Sobel, which seems to be highly problematic. There is a high amount of unsourced information and likely original research, and also substantial edits from a user named "SOBEL1" who I'm 90% sure has a conflict of interest or is a UPE. Digging through the revision history, there doesn't seem to be much salvageable revisions/info to revert to, and I'm considering stubifying it. However, I have concerns regarding if I should do it or not. Should I try and seek consensus to do it, if so where? Should I contact VRT? If anyone can give me an answer on this, it'd be appreciated. —Sparkle and Fade talkedits 06:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the question, @Sparkle & Fade. Per WP:BLPRS (specifically: contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion emphasis not mine), you should be free to remove such poorly sourced content since you're challenging it. Unless you're successful in finding good sources of course. Tarlby (t) (c) 06:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 events

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What local incidents around the world, like the 2024 Magdeburg car attack are allowed to be mentioned in the events section of the 2024 year article. Marksaeed2024 (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Marksaeed2024. In my view, this tragic attack which has been the subject of significant coverage worldwide, ought to qualify. But potentially gigantic list articles such as year articles need to be restricted somewhat by consensus among editors interested in year articles, especially the current year. So, feel free to make a bold edit, but if you are reverted, Talk:2024 is the place to make your thoughtful case. Cullen328 (talk) 07:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wtf?

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since the fuck when is "black people" a "radical" term????? so is "white people" also considered radical? i am very curious to know.. seems pretty fucking retarded..... 68.142.49.124 (talk) 08:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you see it being called radical? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we watch the vulgar language here? We try to be friendly and civil on this page. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at Black people it says "racialized classification", not "radical" Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page for author

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Hello

i am a published author quoted on two Wikipedia pages . I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. This is my basic text:

Sarah Bax Horton is a British author of true crime and historical biography. Her first two books, One-armed Jack: Uncovering the Real Jack the Ripper (Michael O’Mara Books, 2023) and Arm of Eve: investigating the Thames Torso Murders were inspired by her great-great grandfather who worked on those original investigations.

Bax Horton proposed new prime suspects in each of her published works, putting forward East End cigar maker Hyam Hyams as Jack the Ripper and Thames waterman James Crick as the Thames Torso Killer. SCC68 (talk) 09:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read this : Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Write about yourself isn't a thing to do.
Do you want more informations ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SCC68 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our special Wikipedia definition of notability- like a notable author. Also note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and please don't promote your book on the Thames Torso Murders. Theroadislong (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am an expert on this subject wishing to update an out of date and misleading page. I am also an author of books on this subject. SCC68 (talk) 13:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SCC68, not an article, but Sarah Bax Horton is now a redirect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you SCC68 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SCC68, you write: I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. People in a number of dodgy little companies are likely to read this, think "Maybe she'll pay" and may then solicit your business. (Perhaps individual Wikipedia editors will do the same.) But if you're wise, you'll ignore such offers. Please read and digest what's said in "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning". -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Messed up title when reverting a non-discussed page move. Not sure how to proceed.

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Hi. I don't know whether it's appropriate to ask but I messed up reverting a page move on the Man vs. Bee article. (renamed it to the upcoming sequel show, not the original by mistake), and I cannot fix it as another redirect article already exists. I'm unsure how to fix it and I have royally messed up. Thanks. Cheezknight (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cheezknight, I've moved the page back to Man vs. Bee for you. Let me know if everything looks good now! If a similar issue happens again, feel free to submit a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. That page is watched by a lot of page movers, who have more extensive permissions relating to moving and renaming articles than most users. ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 15:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it as I was stumped on what to do. I don't usually move/ merge articles so thanks for fixing it and for pointing me in the right direction if future issues occur. Cheezknight (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

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How to present a citation? 2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B (talk) 12:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See "Referencing" at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Im trying to make a page for Jessica Christine Ritchie

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Proposed article content

Jessica Christine Ritchie, is an American entrepreneur, artist, and educator Who is of Apache and Blackfoot heritage. She is the founder of DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand that merges herbal remedies with esoteric traditions.

Early Life and Education

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Jessica Christine was born in California and raised in Spokane, Washington. Her upbringing amidst the natural landscapes of the Pacific Northwest nurtured a deep appreciation for nature, mythology, and esoteric sciences. She pursued her education at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium. Along her journey, she was mentored by notable figures, including author Francesca Lia Block and scholar Maja D'Aoust, further shaping her interdisciplinary approach to creativity and learning.

Career

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DeerWomen

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In 2016, Jessica founded DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand. The brand reflects her passion for blending herbal remedies and ritualistic recipes with symbolic narratives drawn from folklore. DeerWomen offers a curated collection of products designed to enhance vitality and natural beauty, emphasizing the connection between self-care and authenticity. Relaunched in Antwerp, Belgium, in 2022, the brand’s offerings are now available in select stockists across the USA and Europe.

Creative Direction and STEM Education

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Jessica’s career extends beyond entrepreneurship. She has worked as a Creative Director, organizing international events that catered to high-profile dignitaries, including Belgian royalty. As a STEM educator, Jessica has taught coding and 3D printing using innovative methods involving gaming and robotics, showcasing her dedication to integrating technology with creative expression.

Personal Philosophy

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Jessica’s work is profoundly influenced by her Apache and Blackfoot heritage and a deep connection to nature. She advocates for personal rituals and self-care as essential elements of beauty, encouraging individuals to define beauty on their own terms. According to Jessica, true beauty arises when people engage passionately with activities they love.

Legacy and Influence

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Jessica’s work bridges art, science, and cultural heritage, inspiring others to pursue their unique paths with intention and creativity. Her ability to harmonize traditional wisdom with modern practices makes her a significant figure in the realms of beauty, education, and entrepreneurship.

See Also

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This article is a summary of Jessica Christine Ritchie Magdaleno’s professional and personal journey. Qualek (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks largely promotional - which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Furthermore this text does not contain any independent secondary sources. Simply put - this text is inappropriate for Wikipedia as it stands. Simonm223 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Qualek, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So writing an article starts with finding reliable independent sources (see 42). What you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it can be verified from a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How I can improve my page?

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Hi, I write here a few days ago, to ask if you all can help me to get my page approved (name page: Bove Path), and you all help me but also all my colleagues to get our draft page approved (we really appreciate your help).

I found myself here again to ask you what I can improve to possibly increase the score of the page. I already add the sources that were missing, as one of you recommended, any more suggestion? thank you in advance. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can add pronunciation in "Italian language" indicated in "IPA". Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bove Path is rated C-class. See Wikipedia:Content assessment to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where can we see class of an article ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved.
Back to article - in my opinion Biodiversity should be limited to what is near the trail, not the entire park. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the path cross the park itself? it is not a dispersive area you can find and encounter, with a bit of luck, all those species during the trekking itself. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have reassessed the article as "B". Cullen328 (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for you help ! Now , I know where to find the class of an article. Anatole-berthe (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs

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I always forget the best way to show a "diff" in a post. Can someone explain to me how I'd show this edit, in a diff? Did I do it right? Just link the URL? I feel as if some editors do it so seamlessly and easily. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the question, @Iljhgtn. Yes, you linked the diff perfectly. There are also other ways to link diffs which you may or may not find easier. You can see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff for more examples. Here's one form I really like to use:
Typing this---> [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]
Would create this--->[2]
I hope this all helps! Tarlby (t) (c) 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! Iljhgtn (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For articles, the Who Wrote That? browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. Schazjmd (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iljhgtn Assuming you're using a PC to edit, clicking "page history" at the top right will show you the list of revisions the page has went through. Each revision has "prev" and "cur" next to them. Clicking prev will show you the difference (diff!) with that revision and the previous one. Cur will show the difference between that revision and the current one. Tarlby (t) (c) 16:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iljhgtn, please read my essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are "phone edits" logged any differently in your contribution history than PC-based edits? 100,000 on the phone is an impressive achievement! Iljhgtn (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was a bit discouraged to try phone editing too after the incident where there was a recent admin that seemed to really assault someone for trying to use phone editing and then it became a real ordeal for them to come back into editing. Though it looks like that admin has lost their adminship, rightfully so, so maybe I will look into it again. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can force the visual editor in any namespace by adding ?veaction=edit to the end of the URL (for example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skarmory?veaction=edit would let me access my user talk page in VE). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really not sure why my article was declined.

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It is a biography of a living person who created a global food chain and is now writing poetry and songs. His journey to Canada was significant. CLWwrites (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to show how he could pass the criteria at WP:GNG, your draft gives no indication of that so far. Theroadislong (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Presumed - there is coverage in the Toronto Star Business section and in multiple newspapers globally. Many of the smaller papers have not archived all of their papers. Andy has a poem in the Kennedy Accessions Library (accessible online).
Significant coverage - no additional research is needed to extract the content. The history of his coming to Canada and how he grew his business here are clearly laid out.
Reliable - as mentioned above, I used verifiable sources and for a few instances, the smaller papers have not archived all of their earlier articles.
Sources - I have used secondary sources.
Independent of the subject - there are many messages of congratuations and thanks for participating in events. I was having difficulty uploading their private photos.
If you can tell me what is wrong I can fix it. Right now I don't know what is wrong. CLWwrites (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CLWwrites You appear to have written that article WP:BACKWARDS. Please read that essay and if and when you have found appropriate sources start again. Shantavira|feed me 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... CLWwrites (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am feeling frustrated right now. CLWwrites (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @CLWwrites, and welcome to the Teahouse.
I'm afraid that that frustration is a common experience for editors who start editing Wikipedia and immediately plunge into the challenging task of creating an article without spending time learning how Wikipedia works first. Would you enter a major competation in a sport you have only just taken up? Would you expect to understand the feedback you got if you did?
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
When Shantavira says you have written your draft backwards, that is a link to a page that explains; but in short: you appear to have written what you know and then looked for sources. Baldly, Wikipedia doesn't care what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia only cares about material that is verified by reliable published sources, so writing an article starts by finding such sources. Then, if you have found several sources which each meet the criteria in WP:42, you can start writing a summary of what those sources say (not what you know). ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CLWwrites, its not about time sequence. First, find the multiple reliable independent sources that describe the topic. Each such source must be in-depth, reliably published, and independent of the subject, all three at the same time. Next, write the article using only those sources. That is writing an article in the proper direction. Backward is writing what you know and looking for sources to support it later. That is almost never successful. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you StarryGrandma...at least this helps me know what to do. CLWwrites (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To expand on this, we are asking you to show that he is already well-known by providing material that people independent of him have written in-depth about him and published in places with editorial oversight. If he is not already well-known then he can still be a significant person, but we don't include him in this encyclopedia. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Race condition on talk page?

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It seems like two people welcomed me to Wikipedia at the same time (thank you to User:Clovermoss and User:Masterhatch by the way), which has led to two different revisions [3][4] where the current revision doesn't have the past revision's message and vice versa. What is the proper thing to do here? Should I "merge" the two revisions so both messages are visible? YAQUBROLI 18:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Yaqubroli, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can "merge" the two revisions, make both messages visible, and say so in the edit summary. Please see also Help:Edit conflict#Resolving an edit conflict. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tangentially, I prefer to link revisions like so: Special:Permalink/cur, replacing cur with the revision ID (the number after &oldid=). Doing something similar with Special:Diff shows what was changed from the previous version. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, that is way less clunky. Thanks! YAQUBROLI 19:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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If an editor makes several blatantly RGW arguments for removing sections of content, refuses to read sources contradicting his arguments on the grounds that I have been editing in this area for years and am very confident that no source exists and then states that what he really wants is for this article to redirect to a completely different article but that since he can’t do that he’s instead grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. but also that he doesn’t want to, and would much rather save ourselves some time and just do the redirect,

Does that become a conduct issue? Snokalok (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snokalok, the ongoing discussion is about a contentious topic. I don't see any conduct issues in the discussion, just very strong opinions on both sides. It does seem as though you've cherry-picked quotes out of context; for example, the full sentence was But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. I recommend that you all continue to work through the issue via discussion. You can see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for other options. Schazjmd (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schazjmd The fuller quote was But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect., operative phrase being “we could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect”, implying that is still the course of
action being pursued and that, one way or another, the result is the same.
Regardless, my assessments have been wrong before, hence why I ask here instead of at ANI Snokalok (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The even fuller quote is The bold move would be to redirect this article to Gender-critical feminism on WP:POVFORK grounds. Since I expect that would be immediately reverted, I am attempting to gain consensus first. It's good if you now agree that the passage in question is inappropriate and can be removed. But I've got very little interest in grinding out this same debate one passage at a time until the article is empty. We could save ourselves some time and just do the redirect. What do you think?
I would not recommending going to ANI with this, @Snokalok. Schazjmd (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would like some feedback

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I have just, well you could say, abusing the recent changes page for things i need to revert. I've done my first few and it's going very quickly reverting all these users. Thoughts? 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything wrong with that and I have no knowledge of any Wikipedia guideline articles discouraging/forbidding those actions. I, myself, have done the same before multiple times and I know a couple of Users doing the same thing as well. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺. What you're doing is actually encouraged and quite the noble act. Patrolling recent changes is a very efficient strategy to fighting vandalism. If you wish, you can download some tools like WP:Twinkle or WP:Ultraviolet to make this process even quicker. Those scripts also give you options to warn problematic editors in the hopes of preventing future disruptive editing.
If you continue this process for a month, successfully reverting and warning vandals with those tools, you can request to get Wp:Rollback permissions at WP:RFP/R. Just keep in mind, the goal of reverting vandalism is not a race against other patrollers. Be slow and cautious if need be. Thank you for joining the fight against vandalism! Tarlby (t) (c) 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WE STAND UNITED AGAINST VANDALISM! 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol. Tarlby (t) (c) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I can be a bit chaotic sometimes xD 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I put the humorous userbox on my user page 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance template removal?

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Hello, I've made an edit and I was wondering if the sources that I added justify removal of the “This article does not cite any sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources” template at the top of the article? Also, are my sources good? I read Help:Maintenance template removal. Samolukadjo (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have cited sources, the template has done its job and now it should be removed. (Or it could be replaced by this template). Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 21:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Username question

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Hi there! I've bumped into a user whose name includes "42069". I checked through the username policy, and I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing that ought to be reported anyplace? Would it be considered "inappropriate" enough?

The user showed up about a week ago, tried to upload and insert a couple of copyrighted images (deleted and reverted, respectively), and hasn't done anything since, so it's not really an immediate need - this is mostly for my own curiosity if a situation like this pops up in the future. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 21:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) @NekoKatsun: I don't think strings of numbers are prohibited from being used in usernames, unless perhaps when read aloud they're something really vulgar that pretty much most people would clearly understand and find offensive. Even if this particular string of numbers means what Google says it can mean, I don't think that it meets such a standard. You can, however, ask for administrator input at WP:AN or WP:UAA if you want, but it's probably better to just ignore it. If the account resumes editing and starts creating problems unreleated to its name, then you can seek administrator action because of that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure they do indeed mean what Google says they do, and I can recall at least one instance where someone faced a lot of heat for having, ostensibly, the last two digits of their birth year in their username, which just so happened to be 88 (a white supremacist thing). I wanted to err on the side of caution.
Since they're not doing anything I'll ignore, although that username sure won't do them any favors if they start back up with their copyright problems. Thanks for the reply! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 23:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get enough credible sources when interviews go beyond webpages but videos, podcasts, etc?

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Hi,

I'm trying to write a biography about an important contemporary muralist. His work has been in two Asian Art Museums in addition to murals all over the world and for corporations. He has many interviews; I included some in the citations but they were not accepted. Would love any guidance. Thank you Rnza45 (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The AFC reviewer has left a comment saying that, "Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines". Some faults noted by me was the way the sections were displayed and most of the citations were unreliable and not properly generated. There's also no hyperlinks and no infobox. Fixing those faults would probably help your chance for the biography to be accepted. Hope this helps. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Rnza45, and welcome to the Teahouse.
You have made several common beginners' errors: you have created your draft on your user page, which is not the right place for it. You have written your draft BACKWARDS (writing from what you know, and then looking for sources) - Wikipedia doesn't care what you know: it only cares what independent reliable sources say about the subject. And Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So interviews don't count towards establishing notability.
There's nothing wrong with making mistakes: that's how we all learn. But newcomers who plunge straight into the challenging task of crating a new article often get frustrated and disillusioned. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest (thank you for declaring that).
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the thorough reply. Where is the correct place to write a draft?
I don’t know why you think I cited sources backwards; I didn’t start that way. I did go back after I thought I needed more outside sources. I did look up what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, but I need to understand this better. I thought I went back and added, but they still dont seem to meet the criteria. I pulled from LA Times, ABC News, NPR, art websites and a local wiki.
I did not write the article about myself. 2603:8000:7300:CB21:AC86:1F37:7217:3A5D (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The correct place to write a draft is WP:Article Wizard. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the draft to Draft:Dave Young Kim, Rnza45. Please remove the CoI template from it, and affix the former to your user page.

You tell us that:

Kim's artwork engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By incorporating cultural motifs into personal and broader histories of struggle, he examines the universal search for belonging across diverse conditions.

And you add a reference pointing to a page of Kim's website. But this is evaluative: we need a source independent of Kim to tell us that he actually explores such-and-such (and doesn't merely glance at it and hurry away). Also, this sounds curiously like PR-speak. I wondered what Kim actually wrote. Here it is:

His work engages with the intangible quality of home and explores themes of nostalgia, war, conflict, and displacement. By interpolating cultural motifs into personal and larger histories of struggle, Kim explores the unifying search for belonging across disparate conditions.

So it's just a copy 'n' paste job, with minor changes. If a quotation would benefit a draft, then it must be in quotation marks (and square brackets should make clear any changes that have been made to it). -- Hoary (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COI tag moved to your User page. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! 2603:8000:7300:CB21:B9F0:228F:2F05:87F5 (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Content not properly deflated" sign

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I have gotten this sign several times during editing, idk why or how it came to be. Please help Wentwort12 (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen such a message, @Wentwort12. Could you describe (step by step) what you did, on what page(s), and how the message displayed? Schazjmd (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
first I edit like I always do, I prefer to edit visually, so I want to put an image and caption into the article, that's it and then I clicked publish and this sign popped up "Content provided is not properly deflated" so I was unable to make such edit.
this page and several others
John Campbell, 5th Duke of Argyll Wentwort12 (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wentwort12 This sounds like phab:T381673 which was reported somewhat recently. Can you confirm what browser (including version) you were using when you saw the error? AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Safari version 16.5.2, yeah it used to be fine but recently it's not maybe 2 weeks give or take Wentwort12 (talk) 06:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica books Pre 2012

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How would a person attain copy's of all Encyclopaedia sets printed since 1768? Jarrod Samuel Burchett (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Jarrod Samuel Burchett! The Teahouse is a place to ask about editing Wikipedia specifically. If you have other general knowledge questions, try asking at the Reference Desk, where editors who work in that area can help you. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 01:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jarrod Samuel Burchett. Find a rare books dealer who specializes in encyclopedias. Fly to their nearest airport. Take the rare books dealer out to breakfast, lunch and dinner and buy drinks after dinner. Then, make a generous offer on what they have. Rinse and repeat. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Hopefully the OP has a substantial 5-figure sum available. A set of the 1773 First London Edition is currently advertised on Ebay for £16,436.25, and there have been (at least) 15 printed editions since the 1768–71 original (the abovementioned "London Edition" is not one of them), ignoring the updates added in every reprint of a volume from 1933 and the pirated editions, such as the Thomas Dobson (Philadelphia) of 1790. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jarrod Samuel Burchett On the other hand, the ninth edition in full is freely available at Wikisource. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tools

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I have the rater and auto-ed scripts installed but they don't show up in my more tab. I use Vector Legacy. Does anyone know how to fix this. History6042 (talk) 01:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@History6042 do they appear on the left side of the screen, under "tools"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 05:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No they do not. History6042 (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:CanonNi, I checked all the skins but still none of them show up. History6042 (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are using the new skin WP:VECTOR2022, its on the right or in a dropdown at top right. Ca talk to me! 08:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I switched to 2022 but it still doesn't show up. History6042 (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Submission declined because subject already exists.

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What to do? My draft (Draft:Cyclopygoidea) has been declined because Cyclopygidae exists, but my draft encompasses more than just that family, how should I proceed? Abdullah raji (talk) 05:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abdullah raji you can merge the contents of your draft into the existing article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 05:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Abdullah raji, you can also start by writing more than three sentences about the topic, whatever it is. Certainly, a "superfamily" deserves more than three basic sentences. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How "good" does a user essay have to be for it to be able to be moved to project space?

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I've recently gotten into the habit of writing user essays so that newcomers and medium-level editors alike can learn something new. I've been wondering - how good would the essay have to be before it can be moved into project space? For example, my favourite essay is my one about meditating to COOL down but I have no idea what the criteria for moving a user essay even is. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Someone-123-321. The only requirement for moving an essay from userspace to Wikipedia space is that no one objects. Your essay reflects your own view that may not be and probably isn't shared by most other editors. Your definition of meditation is somewhat inclusive but is deeply biased by claiming that editing Wikipedia cannot possibly be a form of meditation. Sez who? Are you trying to tell me that chanting Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō 100,000 times or chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare 100,000 times is meditation, but my meditation practice of thoughtfully editing Wikipedia 100,000 times is illegitimate? You confidently assert that meditation requires stepping away from editing Wikipedia while you do it while my meditation practice requires stepping into level headed and thoughtful Wikipedia editing. So, should Wikipedia space host essays that many editors believe to be completely incorrect? Perhaps you can write another essay on that dilemma. Or perhaps you can improve a free encyclopedia article, which is, in my opinion, the greatest form of meditation known to humanity. Cullen328 (talk) 08:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not elaborating. I meant "editing Wikipedia articles which caused you to meditate in the first place" - i.e "don't edit articles you know will make you angrier" User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

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How can I include photos to a page I want Dissainkabi (talk) 07:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to say how can I include photos to a page Dissainkabi (talk) 07:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Help:Pictures is a step-by-step guide to adding one. Just make sure to read the note about copyright as most images on the internet prohibit sharing. See Wikipedia:IUP Ca talk to me! 08:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Dissainkabi (talk) 10:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

খসড়া পাতা পর্যালোচনা

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আমার খসড়া পাতা (https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2_%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%95) দ্রুত পর্যালোচনা করার অনুরোধ জানাচ্ছি। এটি পর্যালোচকদের মানদণ্ড পূরণ করে বলে মনে করি। Jahangir Rayhan (talk) 10:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jahangir Rayhan This is the English Wikipedia - Questions about the Bengali Wikipedia must be raised there - Their Teahouse is at [5] Arjayay (talk) 10:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks Jahangir Rayhan (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for Rejection of Sunnah Muwakkadah Article

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Hello, I recently posted an Article on Sunnah Muwakkadah. I used correct citations. And I created the Article by myself and I cited Sunnah.com links. But for some reason it has been rejected pls inquiry the situatio. Thanks Enter your Log (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Enter your Log Did you read the comment at the top of the declined (not "rejected") draft at Draft:Sunnah_Muwakkadah? Wikipedia articles are based on multiple references to reliable sources independent of the topic. As far as I can tell, sunnah.com is just a website that provides access to Islamic texts, without detailed commentary. You need to find independent scholarly work that describes these prayers. Also, please follow Wikipedia's manual of style regarding the formatting of references (see this guidance) and note that we don't use the honorific ﷺ. That's explained at WP:PHUB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add more references

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Is it necessary to add more references to make it clearer and properly cited, if possible? DerryGer120 (talk) 12:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DerryGer120 Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, it’s always helpful to add references to support statements which might be challenged. They do need to be reliable ones, as defined HERE. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, over-referencing can be a problem. Quality is more important than quantity. A simple fact can do with one reference, not five or ten. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
David notMD, yes indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. What if a content short but reliable. Isn't it better to add more content? DerryGer120 (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks DerryGer120 (talk) 13:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DerryGer120 Are you asking about the draft article you have (incorrectly) placed on your userpage? If so, please note that Wikipedia articles are almost entirely based on sources meeting our golden rules to help show the topic is wikinotable. Currently you have no such sources and you need to carefully read this guidance, which also explains how to start in the correct place at articles for creation. However, I would strongly advise that you work on existing articles for a while until you understand Wikipedia's requirements in more detail. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DerryGer120 Draft:Gerd Ortlieb has been declined three times. Do not resubmit until you have added in-line references for all facts, and deleted those facts for which you are unable to add references. External links are not references. David notMD (talk) 04:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a Company Page with Limited References

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I'm seeking guidance on creating a Wikipedia page for a company. I understand the importance of reliable sources, but currently have limited independent references. The company is Bizsol Technologies, and it operates in the IT sector. I'd like to include basic factual information such as founding date, services offered, and key personnel. Could you please advise on the best approach for creating a page under these circumstances, or if it's advisable at all given the limited sourcing? Thank you for your time and assistance. Bizsol tech (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there's limited sourcing available, it's highly unlikely the company isn't notable enough for inclusion here. See WP:NCORP. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am agree with comment above. You might try to submit it however the content might be short as if there is limited references available. Start with a clear introduction that summarizes the subject. You can cite sources using the built-in citation tools in Wikipedia's editor. You always can try. Thanks DerryGer120 (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, Bizsol tech, before you do anything else, (1) please read WP:NOPROMO (5. Advertising . . . followed by the rest of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not), and (2) WP:ORGNAME (followed by the rest of Wikipedia:Username policy), and change your username to one that distinguishes you as an individual (e.g. 'Fred at Bizsol tech'), which only you may use – shared accounts and accounts representing a business or position are not allowed.
Assuming you actually do any drafting or editing on this topic, you also must make Conflict of Interest and paid editor declarations on your User page.
Understand (though I think you already do) that a Wikipedia article should be almost completely based on (summarised) material published by secondary Reliable sources unconnected to the subject – your company's own website, other publications, PR releases, interviews with officials or employees, etc., cannot contribute to the essential WP:Notability criteria, and can only be used for minor uncontroversial facts (e.g. address, number of employees and the like). Read WP:Backwards.
Finally, read WP:OWN, and understand that an article about your company on Wikipedia will not be controlled in any way by your company, may contain material detrimental to your company (if cited to Reliable sources), and may only be edited by you (or colleagues) in very limited ways concerning trivial matters (typos, removal of incorrect uncited statements, updates to numbers, etc.). You may wish to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, which includes a section on companies and organizations.
Hope all this helps, and maybe helps you to avoid you wasting large amounts of time and effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 15:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Original research and primary sources

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What counts as original research? Can I write in an article that something is patented with a link to the patent itself as a source, or is this considered "original research" meaning that that finding a secondary source meaning some random article or book saying that it's patented is preferable over to linking to the actual patent? 27.84.15.217 (talk) 14:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The patent is a source for the issue of the patent (see WP:PATENT). Original research would be citing the patent for text such as Oswald's patent for ooshwallah was the first patent issued for a Molossian. Schazjmd (talk) 15:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. What about citations for cases of other things existing, e.g. the official website or page for a video game, or book, or music CD: Is the primary source appropriate as a source to prove that the thing exists or for other specs (like a release date, platform, page count, format...) or is that different with it being preferable to have some other person (who might be wrong) talking about the release date/platform/page count/format as a secondary source? 27.84.15.217 (talk) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Primary sources are generally okay to cite for basic facts. Schazjmd (talk) 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, IP user. My rule of thumb is that if the existence of something (a patent, a painting, a movie, a website) can be verified only by a primary source, then it is probably not appropriate to mention it in an article. There are probably exceptions; but if nobody independent has ever written about this thing, why is it significant enough to go in the article? ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm from Japan and primarily edit articles on Japanese topics where primary sources are in Japanese and most of the secondary sources used on Wikipedia are in English. This frequently result in problems when the secondary sources are from sites and writers regarded "reliable" on Wikipedia yet are clearly not reliable for niche topics, specifically Japanese topics in this case, being often poorly-written and badly-researched and filled with the most basic errors. Some of these basic errors could be easily rectified with a reference to a primary source like an official website saying "this book was written by this person and released on this date". Looking for reliable secondary sources like news sites after the fact is often out of the question because most Japanese news sites delist old news after some time. I was simply asking if such a primary source could be used over clearly inferior secondary sources, because I was previously told that primary sources are not allowed AT ALL if secondary sources are available.
I will assume that your intent was probably not to gaslight me by suggesting that Japanese topics are insignificant and don't belong on Wikipedia but I would very much appreciate more if people would answer my questions instead of retorting with more questions. 27.84.15.217 (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended Confirmed

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I believe I have become extended confirmed because I have been on Wikipedia for 1 month but Xtools says I’m only autoconfirmed. I got the answer that a user has to be on Wikipedia for 30 days and have over 500 edits, and I have done that. So, is there a reason why I’m not extended confirmed. If I am, I want to know Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your account was created on 26 November 2024. This is not 30 days ago. Mellk (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that’s probably the problem Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A user only needs to be extended confirmed to edit certain articles or in certain contentious topic areas. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know, it just feels better to have it because it makes me feel more experienced. Also, there’s a couple articles that have the extended confirmed block that I would like to edit. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's certainly fine, though there is a difference between feeling more experienced and being more experienced. 331dot (talk) 18:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right about that Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles that require editors to be extended confirmed are often about contentious topis. Many so-qualified editors have put those articles on their Watchlist, meaning that there is potential for being reverted by opinionated editors. Consider reviewing the Talk page (including archived talk page content) to learn if the change you intend to make has been debated in the past. David notMD (talk) 20:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal Greetings from all at the Teahouse!

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'Twas The Night Before Wikimas...
Saint Jimbo arrives to help a pair of sleepy editors.

'Twas the night before Wikimas, when all through the Teahouse
Not an editor was stirring, not even a mouse.

The references had been inserted by users with care,
In hopes that St. Jimbo[who?] soon would be there.

Most editors were nestled all snug by their beds,
While visions of new articles danced in their heads.
When out from a keyboard there arose such a clatter
I sprang to my screen to see what was the matter.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a question on sources and how to use them well here.

More rapid than eagles these questioners came,
And the hosts from the Teahouse welcomed each one by name.

Reindeers #1 to #3 (left to right):
em Dasher; Images and Actrial
Reindeers #4 to #6 (left to right):
Patrolled; Users and IPs

"Now, em Dasher! Now, Images!
Now, Actrial! Now, Patrolled!
On, Users! On, IPs!
On, Young and on, Old!
To the top of each article, be it long, short or tall,
Now, type away, type away, type away all!"[This quote needs a citation]

As dry words that before an old dictionary fly,
when they meet with a synonym, mount to the sky,[citation needed]
So, onto these articles the edits they flew,
With a sleigh full of facts, and citations, too.

And then in a twinkling, I saw on the page
Our wiki-creator: a man of great age.
As I checked it on Commons and was turning around,
Down my router St. Jimbo came in with a bound.

Over 6 million articles he had flung on his back,[quantify]
And he looked like most users with the editing knack.[according to whom?]
His eyes – how they twinkled! slightly square – but how merry!
Too much editing, folks, had turned his nose red like a cherry![medical citation needed]
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.[citation needed]

St. Jimbo: "Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"
Facial composite of man wanted for questioning in connection with digital break-ins on Christmas Eve.

A wink of his eye and a twist of his head
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his editing,
And filled bare URLs; did sourcing and crediting
And confirming notability with a tap on his nose,
And pressing 'Publish changes', back up my modem[jargon] he rose.

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew, leaving me to my epistle.[anachronism]
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,
"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"[This quote needs a citation]


with grudging acknowledgement to Clement C. Moore, 1823.)
Nick Moyes (talk) 15:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bravo! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is brilliant @Nick Moyes Knitsey (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bah humbug >:/
What about us Festivus Celebrators?
A fantastic little parody though. As a fellow writer, I greatly enoyed. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very good. Now let's hope no one tries to expand it using references from Instagram, celebrities' personal websites, or something editor is sure his great aunt told him 27 years ago. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, very good!👍 Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need help with a draft

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Hello! I posted about this to to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Finland but it seems a little quiet in there. I need help with my draft on the finnish sketch comedy show Draft:Mankeli, but being as I am not yet fluent in finnish, I need someone who is to help me out. The main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources, but since they are all going to be in finnish, I would be fumbling around trying to look for them. I translated the page from finnish wikipedia, and it didn't have any references there either.

3SiameseCats (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @3SiameseCats. I'm sorry, but if "the main thing that needs to be done on the page is finding sources", then you have written the draft BACKWARDS. This is like "I have started building a house: the main thing that needs to be done is to survey the site to see whether it is fit to build on". ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Im not sure if you missed it, but I translated the article from the Finnish Wikipedia (using the Special:ContentTranslation tool), before I realized there was no sources there either. So whoever wrote the finnish version wrote it backwards, and now I need to fix that. 3SiameseCats (talk) 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case you'd probably be better off to start fresh and first find sources to summarize, rather than looking for sources to support the current version. 331dot (talk) 18:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion of Than Singh Doli

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Today i nominated Than Singh Doli for deletion because it does not have but 2 editors removed the deletion template. Now i had nominated the article for quick deletion. Previously this article was also deleted from English's Wikipedia when I nominated that but i found that it is available on Simple English Wikipedia also. An editor should delete this page because i am pretty sure it is a case of promoting self on Wikipedia. TheSlumPanda (talk) 16:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @TheSlumPanda. This is English Wikipedia, which is a separate project from Simple Wikipedia. You need to ask there. Try simple:WP:Simple talk ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppet | New account

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Hello,

I acknowledge that I have made mistakes in the past, including the use of sock puppet accounts Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saishna96 which led to my block. I deeply regret these actions and take full responsibility for violating Wikipedia’s policies.

At present, I do not have any active accounts on Wikipedia. I wish to start afresh and contribute to the community in a constructive and policy-compliant manner. I assure you that I will not create multiple accounts or engage in any activities that go against Wikipedia’s guidelines.

I kindly request an opportunity to demonstrate my commitment to adhering to Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for considering my appeal. 2409:40F0:3008:5F2A:1C8A:603B:65C1:1089 (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see appealing blocks. That is the only way to appeal a block. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Admin Question

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Out of sheer curiosity, how does one go about becoming an admin? Not that I want to be one, I most certainly don't, and such responsibility is too much for me. I'm just interested in the inner-workings of Wikipedia. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shovel Shenanigans all admins are "elected" in Requests for Adminship. A typical one runs for a week or so, and all experienced users can ask the candidate questions, discuss their work, and !vote. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 18:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, neat! Admins being voted in is not something I have seen before. Thanks for the speedy reply :)
Happy chrismahanukwanzakah, and a good Festivus for the Rest of us! Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shovel Shenanigans, there's a request for adminship open now, if you'd like to take a look and see what it entails. After you reach extended confirmed status, you can register your support or opposition for admin requests. Schazjmd (talk) 18:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's really interesting! I honestly did not expect such a detailed process. I don't know what I did expect, but it wasn't this. I appreciate your input :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shovel Shenanigans, Like what @CanonNi said, there are also a discussion open about administrator elections, which resulted in 11 admins being promoted back in late October, into becoming an official and alternative process to RfAs. Do note that it's still in a discussion period and isn't an official process. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 19:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I edit a comment on an image?

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I uploaded an image. I included a summary. That summary became both a comment and a summary. I made a mistake in the summary. I can correct the summary but not the comment. I had to delete the image and upload it again. How do I edit the comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussellBell (talkcontribs) 22:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What image are you referring to? You've never uploaded an image to en.wikipedia, and only one image to Commons where there doesn't appear to be any subsequent editing by you and it wasn't previously deleted. It was also upload 1.5 years ago. So, kinda hard to know what you're talking about. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's for a non-Wikipedia wiki. I thought the rules were the same. https://jfwiki.org/index.php?title=File:JoeRuthTeddyJudyRear_BenFritzeFritzi_Seated.jpeg RussellBell (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That said, @RussellBell, I'm not clear how you can claim copyright on File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif, or say that it's your own work. Either the copyright is held by whichever government deparment issued it, or else it may be in the public domain No way can it be yours. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I received the letter in response to a query I made - doesn't that make it mine? I deleted the portion that had my name and address. I'll be glad to reclassify it - how would I?RussellBell (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if you get a letter. You didn't produced the letter or the extract in attachment itself.
Therefore , it is not your work as Cullen328 (12/24/2024 23:33 UTC time) and Marchjully (12/24/2024 23:58 UTC time) explained.

Also , in the extract of the birth certificate published in "05/25/2023" on "Wikipedia in English" , it does means nearly 13 years after the production of the document in "06/21/2010". There are an incacurate description.

The description is inacurate for the next reason. It is wrote "This is the extract from Joe's birth certificate. Only family members can get the whole.".

For a birth certificate or another "vital record" detained by French authorities , not all family members can have access to a full birth certificate.
You can correct by "some family members" or anything similar meaning that not all family members can.


For vital records less than 75 years old. Only the person concerned and some family members can access the full document.

These family members are the spouse , person who have a "Civil solidarity pact" with the person , parents or grand-parents or any others ascendants (For example a great-grandparent) and your child or grand-child or any others descendants (For example a great-grandchild).
If a vital record is 75 years old or older. Everybody have legally access to it.

To finalise this message. Marchjuly (12/25/2024 00:14 UTC time) explained this kind of document is generally considered as a primary source. Anatole-berthe (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RussellBell, you may own a piece of paper, but that does not make its content your "own work". Only the government official or the agency who created the document can call it their "own work". Cullen328 (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RussellBell: The information posted above by Cullen328 and ColinFine is information that not only applies to Wikipedia, but image licensing in general; in other words, physical possession of something doesn't mean you're also the intellectual property rights holder of said thing. Some documents containing nothing more than factual information (particularly those created by the US federal government) can be ineligible for copyright protection under US copyright law, but the copyright laws of other countries might treat such documents differently and Wikimedia Commons policy requires that the content it hosts be licensed acceptably in accordance with US copyright law and the copyright law of the country of first publication. Given the address on the letter, you might find c:COM:France helpful in sorting out the latter. The text of the letter and any other imagery contained therein, on the other hand, could be eligible for copyright protection separately from the enclosed document itself. All of this is really a moot point, though, because the website www.jfwiki.org that you're asking about is completely unrelated to English Wikipedia or any other sites run by the Wikimedia Foundation; so, if you've got specific questions related to that site, you're going to need to contact whoever runs that site and resolve things with them. That website most likely has its own rules and you're going to need to comply with them if you want to add content to that site. The Wikipedia Teahouse is set up to deal with questions related to English Wikipedia (and perhaps its sister projects); it's not really intended to be a general information help desk or a help desk for other websites. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding File:Joseph Langermann Acte De Naissance - an extract from his birth certificate.gif and separately from its copyright status, you don't really need to upload an image of a document to cite said document as a source for a Wikipedia article like you did in the case of Joe Frank. You can just cite the document itself as long as it meets Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source and is used in proper context; birth certificates, death certificates and other types of official documents are generally treated as WP:PRIMARY sources though and need to be used carefully. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I change my method of donation to a different source.

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I recently had to change all my credit cards due to being hacked. I need to change my monthly donation to a new card number but cannot find how to do this. Thank you for your help. Buffalogirlofwy (talk) 02:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Un-archiving a talk topic

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I made a talk topic and somebody immediately archived it saying that it's already been addressed. I believe that my topic is different from what was discussed previously, and I made a comment on the talk page there proposing to un-archive my topic. Nobody responded and it's been a couple of days. Is it safe to go ahead and just un-archive it myself, or is that considered disruptive? Lardlegwarmers (talk) 03:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#Mention_House_Subcommittee_in_section_on_Political,_academic_and_media_attention? -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bad quality images for BLP individuals

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If the only image(s) available for a BLP article is of bad quality and/or very outdated (for example a mugshot from decades ago), is using the image preferred or not using any image at all preferred? Zinderboff (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zinderboff: I wouldn't use a mug shot from decades ago per WP:MUG, particularly as the primary image at the top of the article, but an older image that's freely licensed could be used even if it's not of the best quality. Whether that's preferable to using no image at all might be something worth discussing on the article's talk page, but it's important to remember that a Wikipedia article about a living person is an encyclopedic article about the person as a whole (from birth to present day) and even an older image can still have encyclopedic value; in other words, the article doesn't need to show the person as they look at this particular moment in time. Finally, given you're asking about a BLP, a non-free image is most likely not going to be considered in compliance with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy; so, if you're trying to find a recent image to use for primary identification purposes, you're going to need to find one that has already been released under a license that's pretty much in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing, or you're going to need to get the copyright holder of the image to given their WP:CONSENT. You can try WP:PERMISSION if you want to ask a copyright holder to release their image under a license that's free enough for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revising and submitting a new Help:IPA page

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I was referred here by User:Timrent after submitting a draft for a proposed Help:IPA page for the Kannada language. Please let me know how I can improve this draft and where I can submit my revisions for proper review.

Link to draft: Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada Krzapex (talk) 07:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editor considers source invalid

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I created an entry for an art historian who is included in a standard source for the field, the Dictionary of Art Historians (https://arthistorians.info/). I included one reference to the DAH entry at the beginning instead of referencing each fact from it. User:BoyTheKingCanDance deleted nearly my entire entry for lack of third-party sources but I have seen the DAH used to reference biographical facts for many other art historians. Edanziger (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Edanziger! (and courtesy ping to@BoyTheKingCanDance) Art history isn't my thing, but I'm assuming you're talking about the article Douglas Lewis (art historian)? There seems to have been a slight misunderstanding here. Because you didn't use inline references, BTKCD probably missed that the "unreferenced" material was, in fact, supported by the source. I'll restore the material for you - but I want to let you you about one thing. You copied the entire article from the Dictionary of Art Historians page. Normally that wouldn't be okay because of copyright laws, but as the website makes all their text available under a Creative Commons commercial license (CC-BY SA 4), it's fine. However, whenever you import freely-licensed text into Wikipedia, you need to attribute it. You can do this by adding a template to the reference(s) - in this case, specifically the {{Creative Commons text attribution notice}} or {{CCBYSA4Source}}. You can read more instructions here: WP:FREECOPY.
In the future, you can avoid this by using inline references, so other people can easily see where you got your information from. I hope that helps! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be worth hunting down some alternative sources anyway as you've only got the one source then I don't know how if this subject will meet WP:NBIO. It doesn't help that the WaPo links at the end seem to be broken. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Edanziger: Just going to add that even if the content of the Dictionary of Art Historians page is OK from a copyright standpoint, it would still probably be better for you to summarize said content in your own words than to simply copy-and-paste it verbatim into the Wikipedia article. The website hosting the content isn't really subject to any of Wikipedia policies and guidelines or even Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and third-party website content can often be written in a manner that's not suitable for Wikipedia's purposes. By rewriting the content in your own words, you have a chance to make sure it's appropriate for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the suggestions, everyone! I’ll return to this after the holidays. Edanziger (talk) 08:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]