Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.T.M JEFF

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 01:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

A.T.M JEFF

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BLP article with minimal sources, if any real ones at all. I've been unable to find the subject's name in the sources listed. They remain unclear. The principle editor is using a username that is the same as the article subject. I believe this to be someone who is trying to make a name for themselves and not someone who is already notable per WP:MUSIC. Due to the grammatical errors in the article, it would need to be entirely re-written. Dismas|^(talk) 10:26, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• The following message was added to the talk page by the creator of this article. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 12:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

<-- Would you please do me a Favor? would please fix the references on this page, cause i have been trying but i don't know how to remove the numbers on the top of the references.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etiennebaheza (talk • contribs) 15:51, 12 March 2013‎ -->

• Delete The article as PROD'ed for having no real references. A bunch of references have been added, but the are either links to A.T.M Jeff's music videos posted at various locations around the web, or to stories having nothing to do with this artist. No actual significant coverage found for this artist, and the addition of false references does not bolster my confidence. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Blatant self-promotion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Strong delete - non-notable, selfpromotion; borderline G11 speedy. ukexpat (talk) 02:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, "Jeff don't drink, smoke or take weed.". That's commendable, but it doesn't make up for a lack of third party coverage. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC).
• Delete. It's a vanity piece with a very funny "Personal Life" section, and it fails our guidelines for inclusion. — sparklism ^hey! 11:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you please read this to understand me better

Hi

there i have seen all the messages, but i just couldn't reply to them cause i don't real know how to use the talk page. Also i have something to tell you.

1) I'm not the atm jeff guy, you guys think of, i only created this page for him cause i've check on google and he don't have one, that's why i decided to create one for him. I only seen him once at the show.

2) The reason why i used hes really name as my username, it's cause i had no other easry name to use, and that's why i decided to use (Etiennebaheza) which is hes real name so it can be easy for me to remember it.

3) the reason why i was asking if anybody could help me to fix the references, it's cause i'm new here and i don't know how to add the references, that's why i was asking. And please i do not want loose the time I spent in it, And i'm gone try and add the real References soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etiennebaheza (talk • contribs) 13:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Editing under another person's name is forbidden. So, either you are Etienne Baheza (aka A.T.M JEFF) and you have created a vanity autobiography, or you are improperly impersonating him. In either case, you're doing something wrong. As for the references, they have been fixed. They're all bogus, but at least they're properly formatted. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

so guys what should i do now?? Is it anyhow i can change the name or sign up a new account using my real name??? (atmjeff (talk) 07:01, 14 March 2013 (UTC)).

Yes, you can create another account and abandon the one using Jeff's name. And the only way you have to save this article is to find some reliable sources that actually talk about Jeff. Not just links to his video but text or video interviews that deal specifically with him. You mention above that you have "real references", so why not use them now? Dismas|^(talk) 12:35, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

alright that's cool. But how am i gone create another article using the same name, while this page still online. Is it any how you can delete this page first so i can be able to create another page using my name and also creating the article under the name A.T.M JEFF again. Thank you --atmjeff (talk) 03:07, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment There is no point in deleting the present article only to create a new article about the still non-notable musician. The article is not up for deletion because of the perceived conflict of interest, but because Jeff does not meet the criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 03:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment' If you can provide sources in the current article showing that he is notable then it won't be deleted. Dismas|^(talk) 04:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. A previous version of the article was speedily deleted for being promotional in tone - not much has changed. Hack (talk) 04:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete I wish this guy well, but there's no evidence that WP:BIO is met at present. Nick-D (talk) 07:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Bro i found 4 real references, so i hope that gone make this page to stay. As i have been around looking for other articles, some they have 2,3,4,5 references and they still don't have the deletion on they page. So i hope the 4 references i found is gone work.--atmjeff (talk) 14:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Care to share these "real references"? No references have been added to the article since it was nominated for deletion. Add the references to the article (or list them here) so we can evaluate them. But please, make sure that the actually mention the subject. I have removed all references that verifiably do not mention the subject, leaving a very poorly sourced article indeed. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:31, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

brother this is what i found man.

1) Australia: A.T.M JEFF Lands three Kili Music Awards Nominations. http://isangi.com.bi/australia-a-t-m-jeff-lands-kili-music-awards-nominations/

2) A Beef between atm jeff and g-marl after he went out of Tao-boiz-crew http://www.eastafricanhit.com/a-beef-between-atm-jeff-and-g-marl-after-he-went-out-of-tao-boiz-crew/

3) Tanzania: Atm jeff Bags three African Australians Music Awards http://www.africanstube.com/tanzania-atm-jeff-bags-three-african-australians-music-awards/

--atmjeff (talk) 15:31, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment OK, let's assess those citations:
  1. http://isangi.com.bi/australia-a-t-m-jeff-lands-kili-music-awards-nominations/ : 404 error, not found. Further, http://isangi.com.bi appears to be an invalid URL.
  2. A blog about G-Marl Jamal (another artist of questionable notability, presently also nominated for deletion) having a falling out with Tao Boiz (a band of questionable notability) and mentioning A.T.M Jeff as part of the dispute. Not significant.
  3. A blog entry about ATM Jeff bagging three "African Australians Music Awards", even though no other website on the internet has ever heard of this award, and even AfricansTube.com only mentions the award in regard to Jeff's nomination. (Apparently, the link appears on lots of other pages, resulting in a fairly high hit count for this search term, but all linked to AfricansTube.com.)
• So, all in all, I wouldn't say that we've made any progress toward finding significant coverage in reliable sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:39, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

come on brother. that's the only links, i found. and the first one i don't know why is not working now, but yesterday it was. but please is it any how you can leave this page please?? i have seen alot with only 2 or 3 references. please brother let it go like this, that's the only thing i found after i've been online searching everyehre. --atmjeff (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

• Strong Keep because I am a senile old man. Lord Bromblemore 18:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment You forgot to include the sarcmarc so that we could properly recognize your sarcasm. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:41, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - can't find evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Doctorhawkes (talk) 09:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

But this is not cool man, i know even you, you won't like it if you were in this position i'm in now. You guys told me to show the references that has something to do with this artist and then i did, but now you are saying something else. I have seen lot pages here with references that has nothing to do with the artist. but mine i just showed you the references and you are saying thing else. This is not cool brother--atmjeff (talk) 11:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Jeff, we told you to find significant coverage in reliable sources. What you found was trivial coverage and questionable sources. Sorry. As for the existence of other articles with poor references, that is irrelevant to the current discussion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

ok man, you can delete it, cause there is no point for it to stay there while you gone delete it. But thanx anyways--atmjeff (talk) 12:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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