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{{WikiProject Technology History|class=list|importance=High}} |
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{{WikiProject Lists|class=list|importance=High}} |
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{{WikiProject Russia|class=list|importance=high|tech=yes}} |
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== To do == |
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* Translate titles of work trains; {{done}} |
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* Create a section of Neolithic inventions of the Russian Plain, Russian North, North Caucasus and Siberia (useful links: '''[http://www.dazzle.ru/spec/vnz.shtml 1]''', '''[http://www.dazzle.ru/spec/iir5508.shtml 2]''' ); {{done}} |
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* Create missing English wikipedia articles; {{not done}} |
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* Create a section for Russian discoveries [reasoning - it is more convenient to have inventions, technology records and discoveries on one page]. {{done}} (but still need expansion) |
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[[Special:Contributions/38.121.75.194|38.121.75.194]] ([[User talk:38.121.75.194|talk]]) 20:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== Missing articles == |
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=== Inventions === |
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==== Arts ==== |
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* [[Kalfak]] ([[:ru:Калфак|Калфак]]) |
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* [[Vologda lace]] ([[:ru:Вологодское кружево|Вологодское кружево]]) |
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* [[Borok drawing]] ([[:ru:Борецкая роспись|Борецкая роспись]]) |
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* [[Mezen drawing]] ([[:ru:Мезенская роспись по дереву|Мезенская роспись по дереву]]) |
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* [[Siberian Baroque]] ([[:ru:Сибирское барокко|Сибирское барокко]]) |
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:* [[Musical carriage]] |
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:* [[Neo-Russian style]] |
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:* [[North Caucasus architecture]] |
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:* [[Russian wooden architecture]] |
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==== Cuisine ==== |
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* [[Kozuli]] ([[:ru:Козули|Козули]]) |
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* [[Tyurya]] ([[:ru:Тюря|Тюря]]) |
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* [[Urbech]] ([[:ru:Урбеч|Урбеч]]) |
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* [[Khinkal]] ([[:ru:Хинкал|Хинкал]]) |
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* [[Tetyory]] ([[:ru:Тетёры|Тетёры]]) |
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* [[Khychin]] ([[:ru:Хычин|Хычин]]) |
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* [[Botvinya]] ([[:ru:Ботвинья|Ботвинья]]) |
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* [[Peremech]] ([[:ru:Перемяч|Перемяч]]) |
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* [[Stroganina]] ([[:ru:Строганина|Строганина]]) |
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* [[Mors (drink)]] ([[:ru:Морс|Морс]]) |
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* [[Kalya (soup)]] ([[:ru:Калья (блюдо)|Калья]]) |
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:* [[Tyram]] |
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:* [[Chopsy]] |
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:* [[Malosol]] |
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:* [[Shomokh]] |
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:* [[Qabartma]] |
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:* [[Khingalsh]] |
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:* [[Litsuklibzhe]] |
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:* [[Porsa (dish)]] |
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==== Weapons ==== |
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* [[Yuft]] ([[:ru:Юфть|Юфть]]) |
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* [[Stilet]] ([[:ru:Стилет (лазерный комплекс)|Стилет]]) |
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* [[Gazyr]] ([[:ru:Газырь|Газырь]]) |
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* [[Railway troops]] ([[:ru:Железнодорожные войска|Железнодорожные войска]]) |
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* [[Mendeleyev tank]] ([[:ru:Танк Менделеева|Танк Менделеева]]) |
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* [[Radio rangefinder]] ([[:ru:Радиодальномер|Радиодальномер]]) |
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* [[Armoured hovercar]] ([[:ru:Бронеавтомобиль на воздушной подушке|Бронеавтомобиль на воздушной подушке]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 01:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* [[Fougasse flamethrower]] ([[:ru:Фугасный огнемёт|Фугасный огнемёт]]) |
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* [[Baranovsky quick-firing gun]] ([[:ru:Скорострельная пушка Барановского|Скорострельная пушка Барановского]]) |
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:* [[Device D]] |
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:* [[Noiseless firearm]] |
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:* [[Unification of firearms]] |
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==== Transportation ==== |
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* [[Ekranolet]] ([[:ru:Экранолёт|Экранолёт]]) |
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* [[Track liner]] ([[:ru:Рихтовочная машина|Рихтовочная машина]]) |
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* [[Horse-boat]] ([[:ru:Коноводное судно|Коноводное судно]]) |
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* [[Bolotokhod]] ([[:ru:Болотоход|Болотоход]]) |
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* [[BARS (aircraft)]] |
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* [[Ballast compactor]] ([[:ru:Балластоуплотнительная машина|Балластоуплотнительная машина]]) |
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* [[Rail assembly line]] ([[:ru:Звеносборочная поточная линия|Звеносборочная поточная линия]]) |
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* [[Snow-removal train]] ([[:ru:Снегоуборочная машина (путевая машина)|Снегоуборочная машина]]) |
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* [[Snowplow (work train)]] ([[:ru:Снегоочиститель (путевая машина)|Снегоочиститель]]) |
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* [[Ditch cleaning machine]] ([[:ru:Кюветоочистительная машина|Кюветоочистительная машина]]) |
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* [[Track cleaning machine]] ([[:ru:Путеуборочная машина|Путеуборочная машина]]) |
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==== Other ==== |
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* [[Acmeology]] ([[:ru:Акмеология|Акмеология]]) |
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* [[Iris printing]] ([[:ru:Ирисовая печать|Ирисовая печать]]) |
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* [[Foamed concrete]] ([[:ru:Пенобетон|Пенобетон]]) |
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* [[Coal cutter-loader]] ([[:ru:Комбайн очистной|Комбайн очистной]]) |
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* [[Aviamodelling sport]] ([[:ru:Авиамодельный спорт|Авиамодельный спорт]]) |
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:* [[U-stage]] |
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:* [[Lever press]] |
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:* [[Orlov printing]] |
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:* [[Ramzin boiler]] |
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:* [[Space cleaner]] |
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:* [[Mobile floating power station]] |
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=== Biographies === |
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* [[Pavel Tager]] ([[:ru:Тагер, Павел Григорьевич|Тагер Павел Григорьевич]]) |
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* [[Iosif Livchak]] ([[:ru:Ливчак, Иосиф Николаевич|Ливчак Иосиф Николаевич]]) |
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* [[Yakov Taubin]] ([[:ru:Таубин, Яков Григорьевич|Таубин Яков Григорьевич]]) |
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* [[Pavel Anosov]] ([[:ru:Аносов, Павел Петрович|Аносов Павел Петрович]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 22:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* [[Nikolai Kukhto]] ([[:ru:Кухто, Николай Кузьмич|Кухто Николай Кузьмич]]) |
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* [[Daniil Bokarev]] ([[:ru:Бокарев, Даниил Семёнович|Бокарев Даниил Семёнович]]) |
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* [[Ippolit Romanov]] ([[:ru:Романов, Ипполит Владимирович|Романов Ипполит Владимирович]]) |
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* [[Vasily Korchmin]] ([[:ru:Корчмин, Василий Дмитриевич|Корчмин Василий Дмитриевич]]) |
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* [[Aleksandr Shorin]] ([[:ru:Шорин, Александр Фёдорович|Шорин Александр Фёдорович]]) |
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* [[Semyon Katayev]] ([[:ru:Катаев, Семён Исидорович|Катаев Семён Исидорович]]) |
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* [[Vladimir Mitkevich]] ([[:ru:Миткевич, Владимир Фёдорович|Миткевич Владимир Фёдорович]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 01:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* [[Vasily Mendeleyev]] ([[:ru:Менделеев, Василий Дмитриевич|Менделеев Василий Дмитриевич]]) |
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* [[Anton Turchanovich]] ([[:ru:Турчанович, Антон Фёдорович|Турчанович Антон Фёдорович]]) |
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* [[Vasily Petrushevsky]] ([[:ru:Петрушевский, Василий Фомич|Петрушевский Василий Фомич]]) |
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* [[Ivan Ivanovich Orlov]] ([[:ru:Орлов, Иван Иванович|Орлов Иван Иванович]]) |
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* [[Ivan Aleksandrovsky]] ([[:ru:Александровский, Иван Фёдорович|Александровский Иван Фёдорович]]) |
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* [[Vyacheslav Sreznevsky]] ([[:ru:Срезневский, Вячеслав Измайлович|Срезневский Вячеслав Измайлович]]) |
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* [[Sergei Yakovlevich Sokolov (physicist)]] ([[:ru:Соколов, Сергей Яковлевич (физик)|Соколов Сергей Яковлевич]]) |
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==== Not present on Russian wikipedia: ==== |
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* [[Vadim Yurevich]] |
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* [[Sergei Rzhevkin]] |
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* [[Leonid Kubetsky]] |
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* [[Vasily Lyubarsky]] |
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* [[Ivan Nevedomsky]] |
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* [[Mikhail Tikhvinsky]] |
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* [[Sigizmund Yurkovsky]] |
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* [[Ivan Vasilyevich Boldyrev]] |
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* [[Aleksei Fyodorovich Grekov]] |
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* [[Grigory Semyonovich Petrov]] |
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* [[Yegor Kuznetsov (Zhepinsky)]] |
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* [[Mikhail Nikolayevich Nikolsky]] |
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* [[Pyotr Grigoryevich Sobolevsky]] |
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* [[Semyon Bronnikov]] or [[Bronnikov dynasty (watchmakers)]] |
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<P>[[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 17:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)</P> |
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== IP comment from [[WP:PR]] moved here == |
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The following comment was left at [[Wikipedia:Peer review]] by an IP, [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3APeer_review&diff=485844340&oldid=485649703 diff]. It did not belong there, so I am moving it here. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">><></font></sub><small>°</small><sup><small>°</small></sup>]]''' 11:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:I believe that the [[List of Russian inventions]] should be deleted as… |
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:This list is filled with Soviet era Communist propaganda claiming that the Russians invented everything. It brings to mind the “Star Trek” episodes where Chekov said “Scotch? It was invented by a little old lady from Leningrad” |
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:Also, the much better [[Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records]] page already exist and appears to be far more accurate and Comprehensive as it contains supporting information. Therefore, I see no need to maintain both pages {{unsigned|71.22.156.40|05:40, April 6, 2012}} |
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*The were no false claims about inventions in USSR; there was a brief period of "campaign against cosmopolitanism" under Stalin when inventions were given undue weight (like in case of [[Mozhaysky's airplane|Mozhaisky's airplane]]) or sources were not thoroughly checked (like in case of Artamonov bicycle) [those articles are not present in the list] but there were no blatant falsifications. |
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*The priority of these inventions is established by reliable sources. Even if an invention was not mass-produced in Russia - you can't "invent" something that has already been invented by the Russians. |
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*Some other lists of inventions contain minimal supporting information; IMO most of which is also unnecessary - a list should be arranged in such a way that it can be quickly browsed through. Different formats and indenting is used here for some sub-lists which helps to break monotonity of the article to keep it memorable. It's fine as a plain list. Adding supporting information is a good idea, but it wouldn't work here - expanded descriptions are more suitable for a chronological order. In support of having two versions I would also point out that many netbooks are barely able to to run their OS and many libraries and Internet cafes use outdated computers. |
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*If something caught your attention you can just click on the entry. There are problems, yes - missing articles, inventions not mentioned in the articles they're linked to; missing references. However, one of the principles of wikipedia is "assume good faith". The list was composed with that assumption in mind and it'll be improved in time. I've added footnotes about lightning rod, personal computer, insubmersibility; if anything else needs supporting information - add the disambiguation or citation needed tags.<br> |
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:[[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC) |
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::Yes I do agree that a lot of the articles linked into do not mention any Russian invention in the history segments so possibly they need improving if they are indeed true, not saying Russians are lying so I mean no offence. Although is it really necessary to have ancient inventions in this list? A brief look at other countries invention lists don't list ancient discoveries, likely because such an invention is not a country invention due to the country not being founded....or even the concept of countries not existing. [[User:Mishka Shaw|Mishka Shaw]] ([[User talk:Mishka Shaw|talk]]) 11:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:::They do indeed need improving - some of these articles rely on sources that write-off Russian contributions in the field (read: poor quality scholarship). Sources showing gross ignorance in Eastern technology should be disqualified as RS. For the ancient inventions: there are some racist implications if we go with state as an inclusion criteria. Statehood requires a settled lifestyle, but did nomadic inventions make a lesser impact on history? Numerous tribes who were absorbed into Volga Bulgaria, Kievan Rus', etc. didn't have a proper state but have a number of noteworthy inventions from the time of their independence. Besides that, the [[List of Chinese inventions]] - a work to look up to - does list ancient inventions. [[Special:Contributions/83.149.9.242|83.149.9.242]] ([[User talk:83.149.9.242|talk]]) 07:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Declined proposal for deletion == |
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The rationale in the proposal for deletion was: |
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{{cquote|The much better [[Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records]] page already exist and appears to be far more accurate and Comprehensive as it contains supporting information. Therefore, I see no need to maintain both pages}} |
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However, there is significant sourced information on this page that is not present on the [[Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records]] page, including (but not limited to): |
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* Distaff |
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* Trousers |
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* Wooden bridge |
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* Composite bow |
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Deletion of this article goes against the editing policy [[WP:PRESERVE]]. Perhaps a [[WP:MERGE|merge]] to the Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records article would be a solution? <small><font face="arial">[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]<sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 11:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC) |
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== On revert == |
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* Restored main battle tank - the note is clear that the contributions are not general concept but technological standards. |
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* Restored IFV - Wikipedia reflects worldwide view. Russians classify Schützenpanzer 12-3 as an APC (it was an APC with a 20mm cannon and some NBC protection). Appropriate note is present. |
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* Fyodorov Avtomat was an assault rifle - there was a discussion at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#Remove_erroneous_original_research_about_Federov_Automat] with all arguments already on the table. |
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* Restored flamethrower and GPMG. "I know that much" won't work on Wikipedia. |
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* Viruses have been discovered by Ivanovsky according to the generally-held view. |
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* Restored MIR - it was a personal computer - a workstation, perhaps. [[Programma 101]] might have set architectural standards but it used a roll of paper as its screen. OK, I admit a personal computer might evoke associations of stolen MP3s and chronic masturbation. So let's call it personal workstation. Anything before Programma 101 and MIR were just calculators. |
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* I'll add some sources for wide-angle lens later. |
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[[Special:Contributions/216.16.232.250|216.16.232.250]] ([[User talk:216.16.232.250|talk]]) 03:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC) |
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== Boldface == |
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Why are some entries in boldface? There is no apparent reason for this. --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 12:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Agree. [[WP:BOLDFACE]] does not recommend using boldface (if anything, than italicface for important expression). Regards.--[[User:Tomcat7|Tomcat]] '''''([[User talk:Tomcat7|7]])''''' 14:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Wheel == |
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Where the wheel was invented, is kind of a speculation. Maybe India, maybe Mesopotamia, maybe China, maybe Russa... [[Special:Contributions/188.96.230.245|188.96.230.245]] ([[User talk:188.96.230.245|talk]]) 14:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC) |
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