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== 4 consecutive number ones ==

This album was not the first the yield four consecutive number ones. There are several other albums that released balls in the 80s that equalled this feat, and Michael Jackson's Bad, which surpassed it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.213.243.130|65.213.243.130]] ([[User talk:65.213.243.130|talk]]) 18:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Usher is now married to Ciera Denise Banks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/107.5.226.234|107.5.226.234]] ([[User talk:107.5.226.234|talk]]) 19:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

usher does not go out with kukua dylis

== Edit request on 13 February 2012 ==

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<!-- Begin request --> He is married to Lindi Fritz
"Aside from his musical career, Usher is regarded as a sex symbol." Please remove this. Regarded as a sex symbol by who? Where is the citation? This *really* needs removing.

Usher's wikipedia biography REALLY needs to be longer. He has no artistry section or a legacy section or a public image section. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.78.116.209|184.78.116.209]] ([[User talk:184.78.116.209|talk]]) 22:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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[[Special:Contributions/86.173.197.209|86.173.197.209]] ([[User talk:86.173.197.209|talk]]) 22:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:{{done}}, great find [[User:Andy4789|<font color="blue">'''''andy4789''''' ★</font>]] · [[User talk:Andy4789|<font color="maroon">(talk?</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Andy4789|<font color="maroon">contribs?)</font>]] 00:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== Artist signature ==

Just added an image of his signature to the Wikimedia database. Please feel free to include it in the subject infobox.

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== rarities EP ==

why is there no page for the rarities EP? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.55.200.189|99.55.200.189]] ([[User talk:99.55.200.189|talk]]) 02:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I've never even heard of it, mind adding a link to some information and maybe we can make a page? [[South Elgin, Illinois|<font color="#696969">SE</font>]] [[King|<font color="#696969">KinG</font>]]. <small><sup>[[User:SE KinG|User page]].</sup></small> <small><sub>[[User talk:SE KinG|Talk]].</sub></small> 18:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

== Edit request - Kile Glover ==

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In the last paragraph of the [[Usher_(entertainer)#Personal_life|Personal life]] section, the correct spelling of the boy's first name is Kile, not Kyle. And the boy is Usher's former stepson, not stepson.

Current text is: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old stepson Kyle Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

It should be changed to: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

For verification, see:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.ajc.com/news/kile-glovers-family-we-1473926.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view/20120710reports_outlook_grim_for_ushers_former_stepson/srvc=home&position=recent

http://www.facebook.com/kile.glover

--[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 01:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

{{ESp|q}}Why should it be former stepson? He hasn't died, and is still Usher's stepson--[[User:Mjs1991|Mjs1991]] ([[User talk:Mjs1991|talk]]) 02:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:He is his former stepson, as the sources I provided indicate, because Usher and the boy's mother divorced in 2009. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 03:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 03:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

::{{ESp|pd}} Per [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57470171-10391698/ushers-stepson-family-seeks-prayers-after-jet-ski-accident this story], it seems that the many sources (including earlier CBS News reports) using the 'y' spelling are probably incorrect. While you may be right about the "former" qualification, the aforementioned source just says "stepson", so I'm not going to make that change. [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 09:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::Yes, there are many sources who incorrectly spelled Kile's first name. Even the CBS story you alluded to says, "(Many reports have previously spelled the boy's name "Kyle," but the family's statement refers to him as "Kile.")" Regarding the stepson issue, it is an objective fact, both legally and by definition, that Kile is Usher's "former stepson." One can only be your stepchild if you are married to the child's parent. Usher and Kile's mother are divorced (which is not in dispute and is correctly stated in the article). Both of the sources I provided - from CNN and the Boston Herald - include the "former" status in their headlines: "Family seeks prayers for Usher's critically injured former stepson"[http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2] and "Reports: Outlook grim for Usher’s former stepson."[http://news.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view/20120710reports_outlook_grim_for_ushers_former_stepson/srvc=home&position=recent] Please make the correction. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 14:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 14:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::: I'm seeing a mix of usages (between stepson and former stepson), but the CNN and Boston Herald (reprinting Atlanta Journal-Constitution) stories seem reliable enough to think that the wordings without it are just imprecise. Any objections to me making the change on those grounds? --[[User:Joe Decker|j⚛e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup>]] 16:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::No objection from this quarter—it's just a question I hadn't considered a lot before. By this logic, it follows that I must have stopped being a nephew to my aunt, and vice versa, when she and my uncle divorced. Nobody in my family would have thought that for a moment, since her relationship to the rest of us didn't change one iota. Strange things, marriage and the law. <small>"Dear Former Aunt Lavinia, thanks for the sweater. . . ."</small> [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 17:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::: Awesome. I found it a little unfamiliar myself, which is why I didn't jump to make the edit, most appreciated. --[[User:Joe Decker|j⚛e decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup>]] 18:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Rivertorch, I completely understand and appreciate your viewpoint. And it certainly is a question that most people don't often consider. However, this is an issue about an objective, factual matter for an enyclopedic article, not about emotional feelings. I, too, have an uncle (my mother's brother) who divorced his wife many years ago. My siblings and I of course always referred to her as "Aunt (first name)", remain close to her to this day, and continue calling her "Aunt (first name)." However, factually and legally speaking, she indeed stopped being my aunt when she divorced my uncle. And I stopped being her nephew. So although we choose to continue saying "Dear Aunt (first name)" when thanking her for a sweater or some other gift, that doesn't actually make her our aunt. In our heart, she is. But for an encyclopedic article, she is not. Also, a difference with the issue of a stepchild - in this case, Kile - is that no one addresses him face-to-face or in a letter as "Stepson Kile" or "Dear stepson Kile," etc. He's just "Kile." But this discussion is not about how someone greets Kile. It's only about encylopedic correctness regarding his step status to Usher. I completely agree with Joe Decker; that sources using "stepson" are just being imprecise; while others such as CNN and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Usher's hometown newspaper, which covers him more than any other metro daily) are purposely being very precise for accuracy. Thanks for everyone's input. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 18:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

== Edit request - canceled ESPY appearance ==

{{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}}The last sentence in the [[Usher_(entertainer)#Personal_life|Personal Life]] section should be removed. It says, <i>"On July 11, 2012, Usher cancelled his appearance at the ESPY Awards later the same evening; he was due to present an award, but wanted to instead focus on his family's well-being.[118][119]"</i> None of that is important. The fact that he canceled an appearance is a very minor detail and certainly not worthy of inclusion in an encylopedia. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 16:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:I'll let someone else make the decision, but it seems to me that if the awards cancellation gets axed, the rest of the paragraph should, too. Otherwise, the remaining content would say nothing about Usher's personal life, being merely about an accident suffered by a former relative. [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 17:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

::The tragic event with his former stepson, which has received worldwide coverage indicating their close relationship, is a huge event in Usher's life and therefore absolutely warrants being included in the "Personal Life" section. But the fact that Usher canceled a random appearance because of that tragedy is of no importance, so it should be removed. And there's no legitimate reason to remove the rest of the paragraph. Like the saying goes, you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. But I would agree that the sentence, <i>"As of July 9, 2012, a family friend is under investigation for the accident.[117]"</i> should also be removed. Anything about the investigation is simply not necessary because it's not directly connected to Usher and therefore goes beyond the scope of his personal life. So I would remove the last two sentences (about the investigation and the ESPY cancellation). --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 19:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::{{ESp|d}} All right, you make a good case. The offending sentences smack of [[WP:RECENT|recentism]], anyway. [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 20:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, River! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 20:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::By the way, it would probably be a good idea to add the CNN article [http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2] as citation 114 (at the end of the first sentence of the paragraph) because it shows both the correct spelling of Kile's first name and that he's Usher's former stepson. It can go along with the other two cites that are currently at the end of that sentence. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 20:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

::::::Added that one, as well as the CBS News one that specifically discusses the apparent misspelling. [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 08:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

== Edit Request - Personal Life section ==

{{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}}Please make the following edit to the last paragraph of the [[Usher_(entertainer)#Personal_life|Personal life]] section. It will remove all the specific details about the incident itself (jet ski, inner tube, name of lake, etc.), which are simply unnecessary. The only content that's worthy of inclusion is that Usher's former stepson was declared brain dead, along with a very basic explanation of the cause. The article is about Usher, not the boating accident. If readers want more details, they can just click the cited links.

CURRENT: On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier.[114][115] On the following day, Glover was declared brain dead by doctors.[116]

CHANGE TO: On July 8, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was declared brain dead following a boating accident the previous day.[114][115][116]

Also, the following source can be added as a fourth citation at the end of the sentence. It should go first, not last, because it's about the boating accident, while the last cite is about the brain death:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

--[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.15|76.189.98.15]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.15|talk]]) 06:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC) 06:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

:{{ESp|pd}} I've trimmed the wording, removing some of the extraneous details per your suggestion. I think that "boating accident" isn't a good idea, since a personal water craft may not be considered a boat and because the "accident" appellation relies upon an assumption. (I ditched the trademark while I was at it.) I also concluded that the location, Lake Lanier, while not essential, benefits the paragraph by adding a bit of context. I moved the CNN ref up, as you suggested, and removed one of the TMZ refs—three is probably still too many, but four would be ridiculous for what is now one sentence whose basic facts aren't in dispute. [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 09:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

== Edit request - Kile Glover death ==

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In the [[Usher_(entertainer)#Personal_life|Personal life]] section, please make the following important edit regarding Kile Glover's death. The sentence is factually incorrect. The boy had NOT been taken off life support. He actually died of heart failure. Some media outlets had erroneously reported that he died as a result of being taken off life support. Therefore, the sentence needs to be changed and the two current citations (116 and 117), which are not even highly reliable sources, must be removed. I have provided two extremely reliable sources below. One is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which is Usher's hometown newspaper and the primary media outlet that covered the story. The other is from CNN. Both sources clearly explain that the cause of death was heart failure and that reports of the boy being taken off life support were wrong.

CURRENT: Glover was taken off of life support on Saturday, July 21, 2012 and was declared dead.

CHANGE TO: On July 21, 2012, Glover died of heart failure while on life support.

Citations: [http://www.ajc.com/news/kile-glover-son-of-1482189.html Atlanta Journal Constitution] and [http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/showbiz/usher-stepson-dead/index.html CNN]

Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.98.33|76.189.98.33]] ([[User talk:76.189.98.33|talk]]) 08:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC) 08:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:{{done}} If it gets reverted then seek consenus. Until consensus is reached then just the date should be fine, not the circumstances.--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 00:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:::Thanks! But you forgot to replace the two citations (that contained the incorrect information) with the two updated sources I provided (Atlanta Journal-Constitution and CNN). --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.114.180|76.189.114.180]] ([[User talk:76.189.114.180|talk]]) 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::::{{done}}--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 01:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::::::Thanks for the quick fix, Canoe! --[[Special:Contributions/76.189.114.180|76.189.114.180]] ([[User talk:76.189.114.180|talk]]) 01:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
You are very welcome. Far better response than I get from other IP edit requests.--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 01:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:76.189.114.180 is a good IP. As was 76.189.98.33. And 76.189.98.15. {{smiley}} [[User:Rivertorch|Rivertorch]] ([[User talk:Rivertorch|talk]]) 04:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

== Edit request on 31 August 2012 ==

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i want to sya that usher does not go out with kukua

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[[User:Donreamgirl|Donreamgirl]] ([[User talk:Donreamgirl|talk]]) 11:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

:{{ESp|rs}} [[User:Floating Boat|<font color="teal">A boat</font>]] [[User talk:Floating Boat|<font color="navy">that can float!</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floating Boat|<font color="purple"><small>(watch me float!)</small></font>]] 15:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

== Middle Name ==
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Usher has no middle name, he announced at the iTunes Festival 1st September 2012 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—

Usher has no middle name, so why is there a middle name included on Usher's Simple English biography on Wikipedia?

Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.29.88.164|2.29.88.164]] ([[User talk:2.29.88.164|talk]]) 23:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:{{Done}} '''[[User:Rayman95|<font color="darkred">''Rayman''</font ><sup><font color="blue">95</font >]]</sup>''' <sup>[[User talk:Rayman95|<font color="darkorange">(talk)</font >]]</sup> 17:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


== Requested move 1 ==
== Main Image ==
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top -->
:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''


Is there a better main image for Usher to use on top? The current one doesn't have both eyes facing the same way. Is that just his face?
The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' — [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''ΛΧΣ'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''<sup>21</sup>'''</font>]] 02:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


- [[User:Ambndms|Ambndms]] ([[User talk:Ambndms|talk]]) 19:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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== "this was the Fall of the House of Usher." is vandalism ==
[[:Usher (entertainer)]] → {{no redirect|Usher Raymond}} – This is his real name. [[Special:Contributions/68.44.51.49|68.44.51.49]] ([[User talk:68.44.51.49|talk]]) 02:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
* '''Comment''': That may be his legal name, but it does not seem to be his [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 02:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - It isn't recognizable. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 06:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', but would '''support move to [[Usher (singer)]]''' - per reliable sources [http://www.google.fr/search?q=%22the+entertainer+usher%22&btnG=Chercher+des+livres&tbm=bks&tbo=1&hl=fr zero] compare [http://www.google.fr/search?q=usher+%22the+singer%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Chercher+des+livres&tbm=bks&tbo=1&hl=fr 40,430 results]. Obviously a lot of static and difficult to do comparisons. But the books thrown up in the second search show that en.wp is pushing a neologism with this article title. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 13:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:23, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' if there is evidence that the real person would like to be known <s>officially</s> by this name. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 14:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
::[[WP:OFFICIALNAMES|Official]] names should not be preferred. Otherwise Snoop Dogg would be titled "Snoop Lion". [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 16:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
:::"Officiallly" is not the point. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 21:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - why entertainer? He's clearly the primary topic so why not just Usher? See the recent move at [[Talk:Adele#Requested move: → Adele|Adele]]. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 23:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
**Certainly ''not'' the primary topic. If there was a primary topic, it would be [[usher (occupation)]]. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 20:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
***How so? The [http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/Usher%20(entertainer) entertainer] gets '''way more views''' than the [http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/Usher%20(occupation) occupation]. <font face="Arial" size="2em">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span title="User page" style="color:black;">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</font> 17:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
****This was also what I was thinking. Per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], a primary topic is one which is significant with respect to usage, so how often a user searches that term, which as shown by Status, users clearly search the entertainer far more than the occupation. In terms of long-term significance, Usher has remained since the early 2000s a hugely significant and successful artist. His notability and significance would remain intact through both his past and current work. '''[[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">Et</font >]][[User:Et3rnal|<font color="black"><big>3</big></font >]][[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">rnal</font >]]''' 22:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. I'd support a move to [[Usher]], as the user above me stated. Also, it's "Usher Raymond IV". <font face="Arial" size="2em">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span title="User page" style="color:black;">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</font> 23:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I agree with Status. — <span style="text-shadow:#CCC 0.1em 0.3em 0.3em; font-family: Trebuchet MS;font-size: 10pt">[[User:Tomica|<font color="#2861B2">'''Tomíca'''</font >]][[User talk:Tomica|<sup><font color="#2861B2">(T2ME)</font></sup>]]</span> 23:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', for who is this Raymond person? [[User:LCS check|LCS check]] ([[User talk:LCS check|talk]]) 00:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' move to Usher Raymond, but '''Support''' Unreal7's suggestion to move to [[Usher]]. '''[[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">Et</font >]][[User:Et3rnal|<font color="black"><big>3</big></font >]][[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">rnal</font >]]''' 17:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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@[[User:98selitb|98selitb]] appears to be making a joke by referencing an unrelated show here [[Special:Contributions/75.8.100.149|75.8.100.149]] ([[User talk:75.8.100.149|talk]]) 09:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
== Requested move 2 ==
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== Public Image & Impact ==
The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 18:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


I think the section Public Image completely violates [[WP: PUFFERY]] & [[WP:NPOV]] with its unencyclopedic content about Usher having "the sexiest abs". The impact section also has some problems, being redundant, it seems like it needs a serious trim to the fluff as well [[User:DollysOnMyMind|DollysOnMyMind]] ([[User talk:DollysOnMyMind|talk]]) 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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== Semiprotected edit request ==
* [[:Usher (entertainer)]] → {{no redirect|Usher}}
* [[:Usher]] → {{no redirect|Usher (disambiguation)}}
– Several users expressed in the above discussion that the entertainer is the primary topic of the name Usher. The only possible thing close to the entertainer is the occupation - above, I provided a comparison in page views, showing the entertainer as being the most sought after. <font face="Arial" size="2em">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span title="User page" style="color:black;">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</font> 00:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Pageviews are not the only determining factor, especially when we have a case of proper noun versus common noun. [[Apple]] is the fruit and not the corporation. That said, the singer's popularity is the reason why we have a disambiguation page, but the common noun's meaning competes at a level greater than its pageviews would indicate by virtue of its basicness. (It's also worth pointing out that the common noun "usher" has several related meanings that are covered in different articles; they should be considered in aggregate when looking at pageviews.) [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 01:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Google searches and page views reflect internet browsing habits. Reflecting internet browsing habits is not the aim of an encyclopedia. Short English language words that have multiple associate Wikipedia pages should always go first to a disambiguation page. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 01:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' [[WP:RECENTISM]], the job is highly likely, and there's more than one entertainer. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137|65.92.180.137]] ([[User talk:65.92.180.137|talk]]) 01:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. per all above, but as before would support correction of the disamb bracket to what is actually used in printed sources, i.e. [[Usher (singer)]]. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 03:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
**I'd prefer "singer" as well, but I think we're in the minority there. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 10:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the second criterion of [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. IMO the singer does not have more long-term importance or educational value than the occupation. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 10:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. And so do several others in the previous move request. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 23:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per explanation in previous discussion. '''[[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">Et</font >]][[User:Et3rnal|<font color="black"><big>3</big></font >]][[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">rnal</font >]]''' 21:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Requested move 3 ==


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{{Requested move/dated|Usher Raymond}}


* '''What I think should be changed''': please revert [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Usher_(musician)&diff=prev&oldid=1257102610 this edit]
[[:Usher (entertainer)]] → {{no redirect|Usher Raymond}} – If [[Beyoncé Knowles]] doesn't go by her mononym on Wikipedia, neither should Usher. [[Special:Contributions/68.44.51.49|68.44.51.49]] ([[User talk:68.44.51.49|talk]]) 01:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
* '''Why it should be changed''': The edit added uncited, potentially contentious material to the introduction that is not supported by the body.


*'''Comment''' we just discussed this in March, see [[#Requested move 1]] ; and you were the one who proposed that. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.76.126|65.94.76.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.76.126|talk]]) 04:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/100.36.106.199|100.36.106.199]] ([[User talk:100.36.106.199|talk]]) 01:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> It actually was supported by the body, but it's not important enough or relevant enough to the subject of the article to be mentioned in the lead, so I removed it. [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. As for [[Beyoncé Knowles]], to understand the relevance of that abomination here, see [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. --[[User:Born2cycle|B]]2[[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|C]] 04:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. Combs is mentioned (once, in passing) in the body, but the idea that he was a “mentor” is not. [[Special:Contributions/100.36.106.199|100.36.106.199]] ([[User talk:100.36.106.199|talk]]) 13:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''; he never uses his last name in credits. Beyonce does. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 13:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on the basis that "(entertainer)" as a disambiguator ought to be destroyed with fire. This is not a comment on the appropriateness of the move target; [[Usher (skdjfhlwiuer)]] would also be an improvement. [[Special:Contributions/168.12.253.66|168.12.253.66]] ([[User talk:168.12.253.66|talk]]) 17:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', per [[WP:COMMONAME]]. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#6B8E23"><big>™</big></font>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 06:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
* '''Support'''; natural disambiguation is better than making up our own parenthetical disambiguation. ''Nobody'' outside wikipedia calls him "Usher (entertainer)", so it is not clear to me how WP:COMMONNAME supports the current title. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 22:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
*: The same way it does for any title we use with a parenthetical disambiguator; by ignoring what's in parenthesis. You've got it backwards; we first choose the commonname ("Usher" in this case) and then choose a disambiguator ''in addition to it''. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 00:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per bobrayner. '''[[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">Et</font >]][[User:Et3rnal|<font color="black"><big>3</big></font >]][[User talk:Et3rnal|<font color="red">rnal</font >]]''' 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
::The problem here is that reliable sources are not needed for dab purposes since they are simply attached to the common name for Wikipedia purposes. We are not calling him Usher entertainer but calling him Usher and then identifying him as an entertainer to separate him from the other entries called Usher. If the reliable source suggestion was the actual rule we would need to move [[Barack (brandy)]], [[Contra (video game)]], [[Magneto (comics)]], [[Lost (TV series)]], [[Cars (film)]], and likely thousands of others. For example, I doubt any reliable source discussing the film Cars actually used Cars (film) when discussing it though the fact that it was named cars and was a film would not be in dispute.--[[Special:Contributions/174.95.111.89|174.95.111.89]] ([[User talk:174.95.111.89|talk]]) 22:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I also proposed just [[Usher]], and I'm still certain that he's the primary topic ahead of an usher. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 17:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 13:40, 23 November 2024

Former good articleUsher (musician) was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 23, 2009Good article nomineeListed
October 5, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Main Image

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Is there a better main image for Usher to use on top? The current one doesn't have both eyes facing the same way. Is that just his face?

- Ambndms (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"this was the Fall of the House of Usher." is vandalism

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@98selitb appears to be making a joke by referencing an unrelated show here 75.8.100.149 (talk) 09:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Public Image & Impact

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I think the section Public Image completely violates WP: PUFFERY & WP:NPOV with its unencyclopedic content about Usher having "the sexiest abs". The impact section also has some problems, being redundant, it seems like it needs a serious trim to the fluff as well DollysOnMyMind (talk) 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotected edit request

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  • What I think should be changed: please revert this edit
  • Why it should be changed: The edit added uncited, potentially contentious material to the introduction that is not supported by the body.

100.36.106.199 (talk) 01:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done It actually was supported by the body, but it's not important enough or relevant enough to the subject of the article to be mentioned in the lead, so I removed it. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Combs is mentioned (once, in passing) in the body, but the idea that he was a “mentor” is not. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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