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I made a small correction. I changed "comprised of mostly grandchildren" to "comprising mostly grandchildren." A thing is not "comprised of" its parts; it "comprises" its parts. [[User:140.147.160.78|140.147.160.78]] 21:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza |
I made a small correction. I changed "comprised of mostly grandchildren" to "comprising mostly grandchildren." A thing is not "comprised of" its parts; it "comprises" its parts. [[User:140.147.160.78|140.147.160.78]] 21:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza |
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The statement that "Rick Wallenda completed the walk a year later" has another Wikipedia article, [[Karl Wallenda]], cited as a source. That article contains the same statement, but there is no other citation given. I am removing the citation and putting a {{tl|fact}} tag on both pages. [[User:Skiasaurus|Skiasaurus]] [[User talk:Skiasaurus|(skē’ ə sôr’ əs)]] 19:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
The statement that "Rick Wallenda completed the walk a year later" has another Wikipedia article, [[Karl Wallenda]], cited as a source. That article contains the same statement, but there is no other citation given. I am removing the citation and putting a {{tl|fact}} tag on both pages. [[User:Skiasaurus|Skiasaurus]] [[User talk:Skiasaurus|(skē’ ə sôr’ əs)]] 19:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Interpretation of Event: The Drive By Truckers == |
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⚫ | I just cleaned out the Notable family members section per the guidelines in [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people]], which states {{quote|Inclusion in '''lists contained within articles''' should be determined by [[WP:Source list]], in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including [[WP:Trivia sections]]). Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group.}} The section had been tagged as needing references and cleaning up for more than a year. -- [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 11:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC) |
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When they fell from the skies with the greatest of ease |
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They landed on the ground under tents and trapeze |
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⚫ | I remember reading some things but cannot place them, thus can't modify the article at this time. The "faltering" referred to here might be the pinched nerve suffered by the nephew (apparently Dieter Schepp). He collapsed in "excruciating pain", and was one of 2 people killed in the resulting fall; another was left paralyzed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.63.16.82|128.63.16.82]] ([[User talk:128.63.16.82|talk]]) 15:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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They were told that they fell with such beauty and grace |
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That the Flying Wallendas would be the name on their case |
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Karl's daughter, Jenny (wife of Richard Faughnan, the other performed who died), was on the platform watching the pyramid when it fell. She said Dieter had complained while being trained in the weeks just before the accident that the pole was difficult and heavy to hold. As the performers moved across the wire, Jenny reported seeing Dieter shift the pole to get a better hold, then heard him cry out, “Ich kann nicht mehr halten!” (“I can’t hold it any longer!”) at which point he dropped his pole without which he had no balance and fell. http://www.gendisasters.com/michigan/6346/detroit-mi-circus-performers-tragedy-jan-1962 [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 18:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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''[[Life (magazine)|Life]]'' magazine had an issue with extensive coverage of the 1962 tragedy. Besides its cover photo, I recall that it had photos of the fall in progress. [[User:BMJ-pdx|BMJ-pdx]] ([[User talk:BMJ-pdx|talk]]) 14:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC) |
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And the fine folks of Akron forever be sayin' |
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They flew through the air like the wings of a prayer |
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⚫ | Nik Wallenda is not the first person to cross Niagra Falls. James Hardy did it in 1896 according to the LA Times. Looking for references to the 1896 crossing beyond this article http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-wallenda-20120616,0,1685629.story. [[User:JAVernola|JAVernola]] ([[User talk:JAVernola|talk]]) 07:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC) |
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And they all walked away amidst the gawking and stares |
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⚫ | :According to [http://news.discovery.com/adventure/wallenda-niagara-falls-120616.html this], there were other successful high wire crossings before a ban was imposed on attempts. The earlier crossings, however, were over a "much calmer section" of the falls (whatever that means) than where Wallenda crossed. -- [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 15:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | According to [http://www.niagarafallsinfo.com/history-item.php?entry_id=1491¤t_category_id=289 this] the other crossers went over the Gorge not the falls. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.204.193.168|142.204.193.168]] ([[User talk:142.204.193.168|talk]]) 20:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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And the children revisited their fall in nightmares |
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⚫ | It appears there has been no consensus formed on this issue, but I note that on this page, it says "Nik Wallenda became the first aerialist to walk directly over Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012" and on the page for "Tightrope Walking" under the section "Famous Tightrope Artists" it lists "Nik Wallenda, great-grandson of Karl, second person to walk from the USA to Canada over the Horseshoe Falls at the Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012 . . ." [[User:GTGeek88|GTGeek88]] ([[User talk:GTGeek88|talk]]) 17:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC) |
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They never would stop, they never surrendered |
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They lived like they died, the Flying Wallendas |
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:It's not a perfect rhyme, but if you speak it fast in german without overpronouncing the "ä" and the "-der", it surely comes close. The final "-der" can sound close to "-da"; the same with the "ä", which comes close to the "e" in Wallenda. So you get a pronounciation that resembles "Hollenda" (also the short "o" after "ll" comes closer to the short "a" than a long "o" would do, compared to a long "a"). If you don't want it to rhyme, you can of course pronounce it slowly in a way that underlines the differences. But if you pronounce a bit sloppy and want it to rhyme, it surely rhymes (in german, not in english).--[[Special:Contributions/80.137.191.177|80.137.191.177]] ([[User talk:80.137.191.177|talk]]) 15:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Organization infobox == |
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Would the organization infobox be appropriate for this page? |
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They could dance on the wire through the fire and storm |
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John Ringling had seen karl in Cuba perform |
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[[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 16:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC) |
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And he raised up his kids for performance and stardom |
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==Official website== |
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They performed center ring at Madison Square Garden |
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Is http://www.wallenda.com/ really the official website? [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 16:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Family Tree == |
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With the Seven Man Pyramid, folks lined up just to see 'em |
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The Wallenda family tree is incomplete as Nik has an older sister with whom he is scheduled to perform with before a NASCAR race in Charlotte in October. Her name is Lijana Wallenda-Hernandez. I'd do the edit myself, but I don't know how to format everything. Here is a reference for everything I just said. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/29/4272992/wallendas-brother-and-sister-to.html#.UkHj4ryMYcK <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.171.172.123|69.171.172.123]] ([[User talk:69.171.172.123|talk]]) 19:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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'Til they fell from the sky at Detroit State Fair Coliseum |
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I can not change the family tree, as I am to stupid, but Willi Wallendas Children are not Steven and Elizabeth "Angel" Pintye, but Rudi Wallenda and Ingeborg Novak-Wallenda, which he had with Maria Edele von Hofmann. Could someone please change this? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/46.252.128.122|46.252.128.122]] ([[User talk:46.252.128.122|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Also incomplete is that Herman Wallenda had a 2nd wife Elizabeth Petrs who had a son Konrad Wallenda born in Germany in 1939 and lives in California. [[User:N6uko78|N6uko78]] ([[User talk:N6uko78|talk]]) 04:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC) |
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When they fell to the ground with the greatest of ease |
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Jenny Wallenda did not have ANY children with Richard Faughnan. Tino and Delilah are children from Jenny's first marriage to Alberto Zoppé, the famed circus bareback rider. http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-jenny-wallenda-20150406-story.html [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 18:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC) [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Three didn't get up from the blood in the breeze |
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Tammy Anderson is the daughter of Jenny Wallenda and her third husband, Andy Anderson. Please add Andy to the tree. Tammy has a son Blake Wallenda who performs with Nik. http://chasingtheghost.heraldtribune.com/ [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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But Karl wouldn't be stopped from his home in the skies |
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Delilah Wallenda's husband is Terry Troffer, who is Nik and Lijana's father. As mentioned above, Lijana should be added to the tree also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Wallenda [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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'Til he fell from the wire in San Juan and he died |
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Mario B. and Rick Wallenda are sons of Carla's first husband, Ingino Bogino. Please add Bogino to the tree. Rietta Wallenda is the daughter of Carla's third husband, Paul Jordan. Please add Paul to the tree. http://chasingtheghost.heraldtribune.com/ [[User:Songbird1973|Songbird1973]] ([[User talk:Songbird1973|talk]]) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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In Sarasota as a child, my grandparents lived next door |
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To the surviving Wallendas and their amazing wild stories |
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Was stunned and astounded, the old lady who was out |
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Pruning her orange trees had flown to the heavens and back <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.216.104.241|98.216.104.241]] ([[User talk:98.216.104.241|talk]]) 23:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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⚫ | I just cleaned out the Notable family members section per the guidelines in [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people]], which states {{quote|Inclusion in '''lists contained within articles''' should be determined by [[WP:Source list]], in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including [[WP:Trivia sections]]). Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group.}} The section had been tagged as needing references and cleaning up for more than a year. -- [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 11:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | I remember reading some things but cannot place them, thus can't modify the article at this time. The "faltering" referred to here might be the pinched nerve suffered by the nephew (apparently Dieter Schepp). He collapsed in "excruciating pain", and was one of 2 people killed in the resulting fall; another was left paralyzed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.63.16.82|128.63.16.82]] ([[User talk:128.63.16.82|talk]]) 15:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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⚫ | Nik Wallenda is not the first person to cross Niagra Falls. James Hardy did it in 1896 according to the LA Times. Looking for references to the 1896 crossing beyond this article http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-wallenda-20120616,0,1685629.story. [[User:JAVernola|JAVernola]] ([[User talk:JAVernola|talk]]) 07:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :According to [http://news.discovery.com/adventure/wallenda-niagara-falls-120616.html this], there were other successful high wire crossings before a ban was imposed on attempts. The earlier crossings, however, were over a "much calmer section" of the falls (whatever that means) than where Wallenda crossed. -- [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 15:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | According to [http://www.niagarafallsinfo.com/history-item.php?entry_id=1491¤t_category_id=289 this] the other crossers went over the Gorge not the falls. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.204.193.168|142.204.193.168]] ([[User talk:142.204.193.168|talk]]) 20:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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⚫ | It appears there has been no consensus formed on this issue, but I note that on this page, it says "Nik Wallenda became the first aerialist to walk directly over Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012" and on the page for "Tightrope Walking" under the section "Famous Tightrope Artists" it lists "Nik Wallenda, great-grandson of Karl, second person to walk from the USA to Canada over the Horseshoe Falls at the Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012 . . ." [[User:GTGeek88|GTGeek88]] ([[User talk:GTGeek88|talk]]) 17:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC) |
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Small correction of usage
[edit]I made a small correction. I changed "comprised of mostly grandchildren" to "comprising mostly grandchildren." A thing is not "comprised of" its parts; it "comprises" its parts. 140.147.160.78 21:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Death of Karl Wallenda
[edit]Has me puzzled; online sources are split between Sao Paulo and San Juan as the place of death. The source from CBS News reported the former, but numerous other sources go with the latter. Any clarification would be appreciated both here and at the KW article. JNW (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
It was San Juan. Look below in the article and it mentions the Condado hotel as the site. I've stayed there and can tell from the video that Condado hotel, San Juan is correct. CBS is wrong.
Look at:
http://www.wallenda.com/history.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acm acm (talk • contribs) 21:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The statement that "Rick Wallenda completed the walk a year later" has another Wikipedia article, Karl Wallenda, cited as a source. That article contains the same statement, but there is no other citation given. I am removing the citation and putting a {{fact}} tag on both pages. Skiasaurus (skē’ ə sôr’ əs) 19:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Notable family members
[edit]I just cleaned out the Notable family members section per the guidelines in Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people, which states
Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:Source list, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including WP:Trivia sections). Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group.
The section had been tagged as needing references and cleaning up for more than a year. -- Donald Albury 11:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- Once again, listing all those family members violates the guidelines in Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people. -- Donald Albury 13:06, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
1962 details
[edit]I remember reading some things but cannot place them, thus can't modify the article at this time. The "faltering" referred to here might be the pinched nerve suffered by the nephew (apparently Dieter Schepp). He collapsed in "excruciating pain", and was one of 2 people killed in the resulting fall; another was left paralyzed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Karl's daughter, Jenny (wife of Richard Faughnan, the other performed who died), was on the platform watching the pyramid when it fell. She said Dieter had complained while being trained in the weeks just before the accident that the pole was difficult and heavy to hold. As the performers moved across the wire, Jenny reported seeing Dieter shift the pole to get a better hold, then heard him cry out, “Ich kann nicht mehr halten!” (“I can’t hold it any longer!”) at which point he dropped his pole without which he had no balance and fell. http://www.gendisasters.com/michigan/6346/detroit-mi-circus-performers-tragedy-jan-1962 Songbird1973 (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Life magazine had an issue with extensive coverage of the 1962 tragedy. Besides its cover photo, I recall that it had photos of the fall in progress. BMJ-pdx (talk) 14:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
First to cross Niagara Falls
[edit]Nik Wallenda is not the first person to cross Niagra Falls. James Hardy did it in 1896 according to the LA Times. Looking for references to the 1896 crossing beyond this article http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-wallenda-20120616,0,1685629.story. JAVernola (talk) 07:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- According to this, there were other successful high wire crossings before a ban was imposed on attempts. The earlier crossings, however, were over a "much calmer section" of the falls (whatever that means) than where Wallenda crossed. -- Donald Albury 15:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
According to this the other crossers went over the Gorge not the falls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.204.193.168 (talk) 20:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
It appears there has been no consensus formed on this issue, but I note that on this page, it says "Nik Wallenda became the first aerialist to walk directly over Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012" and on the page for "Tightrope Walking" under the section "Famous Tightrope Artists" it lists "Nik Wallenda, great-grandson of Karl, second person to walk from the USA to Canada over the Horseshoe Falls at the Niagara Falls on June 15, 2012 . . ." GTGeek88 (talk) 17:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
rhyme?
[edit]"The name in their native German, "Die fliegenden Wallenda", is a rhyme on the title of the Wagner opera, "Der fliegende Holländer" ("The Flying Dutchman").
Please explain how "Wallenda" rhymes with "Holländer". WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's not a perfect rhyme, but if you speak it fast in german without overpronouncing the "ä" and the "-der", it surely comes close. The final "-der" can sound close to "-da"; the same with the "ä", which comes close to the "e" in Wallenda. So you get a pronounciation that resembles "Hollenda" (also the short "o" after "ll" comes closer to the short "a" than a long "o" would do, compared to a long "a"). If you don't want it to rhyme, you can of course pronounce it slowly in a way that underlines the differences. But if you pronounce a bit sloppy and want it to rhyme, it surely rhymes (in german, not in english).--80.137.191.177 (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Organization infobox
[edit]Would the organization infobox be appropriate for this page?
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Official website
[edit]Is http://www.wallenda.com/ really the official website? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Family Tree
[edit]The Wallenda family tree is incomplete as Nik has an older sister with whom he is scheduled to perform with before a NASCAR race in Charlotte in October. Her name is Lijana Wallenda-Hernandez. I'd do the edit myself, but I don't know how to format everything. Here is a reference for everything I just said. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/29/4272992/wallendas-brother-and-sister-to.html#.UkHj4ryMYcK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.172.123 (talk) 19:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I can not change the family tree, as I am to stupid, but Willi Wallendas Children are not Steven and Elizabeth "Angel" Pintye, but Rudi Wallenda and Ingeborg Novak-Wallenda, which he had with Maria Edele von Hofmann. Could someone please change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.252.128.122 (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Also incomplete is that Herman Wallenda had a 2nd wife Elizabeth Petrs who had a son Konrad Wallenda born in Germany in 1939 and lives in California. N6uko78 (talk) 04:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Jenny Wallenda did not have ANY children with Richard Faughnan. Tino and Delilah are children from Jenny's first marriage to Alberto Zoppé, the famed circus bareback rider. http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-jenny-wallenda-20150406-story.html Songbird1973 (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC) Songbird1973 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Tammy Anderson is the daughter of Jenny Wallenda and her third husband, Andy Anderson. Please add Andy to the tree. Tammy has a son Blake Wallenda who performs with Nik. http://chasingtheghost.heraldtribune.com/ Songbird1973 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Delilah Wallenda's husband is Terry Troffer, who is Nik and Lijana's father. As mentioned above, Lijana should be added to the tree also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Wallenda Songbird1973 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Mario B. and Rick Wallenda are sons of Carla's first husband, Ingino Bogino. Please add Bogino to the tree. Rietta Wallenda is the daughter of Carla's third husband, Paul Jordan. Please add Paul to the tree. http://chasingtheghost.heraldtribune.com/ Songbird1973 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)