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Muhammad Military Service Record

I added Muhammad's Military service record. I feel that his service record covering his 17 year of military service is notable to his article.

I added the dates of his service, his rank, his discharge, and his awards received.

All info pulled from Muhammad's US Army service record.

Ethnic selection?

Am I the only one who sees way too many Arabic names in the See also section with VERY little connection to the method, cause or scale of this case? Wikipedia is now part of TSA? Or do we now serve and protect? Le Grand Bleu (talk) 01:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Serial Killer?

Should he be listed as a serial killer? Barbaro Reyes Cho (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. And a racist Enphektid (talk) 03:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Reason for killings ==
+== Muhammad Military Service Record ==
+I added Muhammad's Military service record. I feel that his service record covering his 17 year of military service is notable to his article.
-I was just made aware of this tonight, since his wife told the story at Mizzou's (University of Missouri, Columbia) campus tonight. (thurs. sept 30, at 7pm) The reason for the killings is because he was after his wife. He had kidnapped their three children, and lost the trial for custody. He then decided to go after his wife. He proclaimed that he was innocent the whole time. The day of his execution hsi children asked to speak with him, but he never contacted them, and the execution went on that night. It was later revealed the reason he didn't speak to his children is for fear of being asked the question 'why?' because it would've broken him and the facade he put up to stay confident in his belief of his innocence would have crumbled.
-:Nobody knows definitively what the motive was, except for John Allen Muhammad (who is dead now). However, his wife is mentioned as a possible motive in many sources, and it sounds like a plausible one. [[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]] ([[User talk:Illegitimate Barrister|talk]]) 13:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
-== Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War... ==
+I added the dates of his service, his rank, his discharge, and his awards received.
-The single biggest accidental effect of the Malvo shootings gets ignored by everybody. The Senate debate on whether to go to war took place at the same time. War was declared on October 11, 2002. The Malvo shooting spree dominated the headlines and pushed the war debate completely off the front page of most newspapers for the entire debate. The last chance to oppose the war was lost in a sea of headlines screaming "SNIPER !!!"  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/93.42.41.105|93.42.41.105]] ([[User talk:93.42.41.105|talk]]) 21:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Please read the [[talk page guidelines]]. [[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]] ([[User talk:Illegitimate Barrister|talk]]) 13:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
+All info pulled from Muhammad's US Army service record.
-== Serial killer ==
+== Ethnic selection? ==
-I see no reason why he isn't a serial killer. There is no rule stating that someone cannot be both spree and serial. He fits the qualifications for both. He killed 17 people from February to October 2002. That's not just a spree. Yes, the Beltway sniper attacks was a spree but adding it with the earlier crimes then it is serial as well.[[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|talk]])
+Am I the only one who sees way too many Arabic names in the See also section with VERY little connection to the method, cause or scale of this case? Wikipedia is now part of TSA? Or do we now serve and protect? [[User:Le Grand Bleu|Le Grand Bleu]] ([[User talk:Le Grand Bleu|talk]]) 01:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
-:Hello, [[User:WikiOriginal-9|WikiOriginal-9]]. See [[Talk:John Allen Muhammad/Archive 1#"Spree killer" or "serial killer"]]. As that discussion and the [[Serial killer]] article address, being a serial killer is not just about the number of people a person has killed. If it were, then a soldier who has killed plenty of people would automatically be a serial killer. As for being "both," I don't think that it is common that a person is categorized as both, but the Serial killer and [[Spree killer]] articles make clear that distinguishing the two concepts is debated, and the lead of the Serial killer article [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Serial_killer&oldid=607482680 currently states] "however, cases of extended bouts of sequential killings over periods of weeks or months with no apparent 'cooling off' period or 'return to normalcy' have caused some serial killer experts to suggest a hybrid category of "spree-serial killer'." We also address the serial killer or spree killer aspect [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=John_Allen_Muhammad&oldid=608146414 in the lead] of the John Allen Muhammad and  Lee Boyd Malvo articles, which it seems that you saw and that is your reason for having started this talk page discussion. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 02:17, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
+== External links modified ==
-:On a side note: You should be careful when listing people at [[List of serial killers by number of victims]]; the media is often wrong with regard to what it refers to as a serial killer. And regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims&diff=604500566&oldid=604493430 your removal of "soldiers"] there, that is not helpful, in my opinion, per what I stated above about soldiers. That article's text did not state that soldiers are never serial killers; it was accompanied by the wording "does not necessarily include." I'm betting that list is highly problematic, as somewhat indicated by [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims&oldid=608148078 the current tag on it.] The "incomplete tag" should be removed, however, considering that such a list will never be complete. The only person here at Wikipedia that I know of who can help regarding these matters is [[User:Legitimus|Legitimus]], whether he weighs in on this discussion or not. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 02:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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+== Serial Killer? ==
+Should he be listed as a serial killer? [[User:Barbaro Reyes Cho|Barbaro Reyes Cho]] ([[User talk:Barbaro Reyes Cho|talk]]) 02:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
+Yup. And a racist [[User:Enphektid|Enphektid]] ([[User talk:Enphektid|talk]]) 03:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)