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== A.W == |
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A.W should not be on the section of the list of wrestlers. Considering he has not been competing. He s only used for backstage and sometimes in ring roles. |
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== FCW Releases == |
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The official FCW website has removed the profiles of |
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Cable Jones, Devin Allen, Fadh Rakman, Rhys Ali, and Ron Myers |
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== JR is not the senior VP of talent relations == |
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JR is listed as Senior VP of talent relations in the article; he has not, however, held this role in many years. |
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== Ambassador == |
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One question. We have some wrestlers as WWE Legends and they work as ambassador. Do we have sources about this? We have sources about them as Hall of famers and they appear in the alumni section, but I don't see any source about they are ambassadors or they still in the WWE. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 18:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:Whether sources exist or not, we don't have them here in the article. Many were recently removed with the rationale that they don't appear on TV. I don't think that matters (the writers and corporate directors have mostly never appeared on TV), but I'll remove the rest for verifiability reasons. Sorry for the slow response. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 16:20, [[June 24]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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== RVD == |
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Just so we're all clear, RVD has been added to [http://www.wwe.com/superstars WWE.com's roster], so he can be added to the roster here as well. |
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Thank you. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] ([[User talk:Vjmlhds|talk]]) 04:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:<small>And thank you for telling me this right before I watched Payback. That video package was still cool on an artistic level, at least (which is more than I can say for the Ambulance Match). And now Christian returns, eh? Not as annoyed as I might seem, but I'll return the favour by telling you Punk screwjobs RVD at SummerSlam. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 03:21, [[June 18]], [[2013]] (UTC) </small> |
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== NXT == |
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<br>Charlotte finally debutted on NXT.<br>Adrian Neville and Corey Graves are the third NXT Tag Team Champions.<br>Paige is the first-ever NXT Women's Champion.<br>Mike Dalton has been renamed as Tyler Breeze.[http://ringsidexcess.com/2013/06/20/spoilers-wwe-nxt-taping-results-for-7-3-7-24] |
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Angelo Dawkins debutted on NXT this week against Sami Zayn. [http://www.wrestleenigma.com/wwe-nxt-61913-recap-and-review-the-wyatt-family-continues-their-reign-of-terror] [[Special:Contributions/94.4.211.201|94.4.211.201]] ([[User talk:94.4.211.201|talk]]) 10:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I've removed the two "yet to appear", but think we should wait till these episodes air before recognizing title and name changes. Those are storyline types of things, and the story hasn't been shown yet. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 04:20, [[June 22]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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== Unassigned personnel == |
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We could use a better source for Mascarita Dorada and the women on the Diva reality show. |
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Dorada's signing is sourced to a paysite, so hard to verify. Googling gets mostly speculation and rumours. |
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The reality show press release says they'll be on the show and are training to be WWE Divas, but doesn't outright say they've signed developmental contracts. |
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I've left them for now, but they'll need something a bit more solid, I think. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 17:01, [[June 24]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:I found this [http://superluchas.net/2013/06/14/mascarita-dorada-ha-firmado-contrato-de-desarrollo-y-esta-proximo-a-debutar-con-wwe-tv/ source] for dorada, by Superluchas. For the total divas people, I don't know. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 17:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC) |
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::I noticed that in the Google results, but it was phrased as a question, so I ignored it. Reading further, it does cite the Observer. So do we, but this could be seen as more immediately verifiable. I'll add it alongside the paysite link. Thanks. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 17:55, [[June 24]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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==droz== |
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I read in the [[Darren Drozdov]] article's that he remains employed by WWE. It's truth? I don't see him in the WWE Roster. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 13:58, 2 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:The problem is that that was added a long time ago, and it seems that he is no longer active within the company. I don't read the WWE magazine, to which he was apparently contributing, but I haven't heard any mention that he ''still'' writes for it. It seems the last time he appeared anywhere near a WWE logo was for a DVD in 2005 (and that is no indication of him being employed). It seems that his article might need altering if we can find any evidence of him no longer working for the company. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 14:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:He used to write a WWE.com column. The URL's still [http://www.wwe.com/news/droztwocents/ there], but that seems to be about it. Just a list of other writers' columns. The latest I can see of his was 2010. Safe to assume he doesn't work there, until further notice. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:44, [[July 4]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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==The Rock== |
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I know that Dwayne stills in WWE roster page, but he is a movie and he said via Twitter that his last match at WM is his last match in wrestling. I think that we should move him to unassigned, no? --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 14:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:Can you link to when he said that on Twitter? Also, considering the backstage rumour is that he'll be going against Lesnar at WM30, plus that he's on the cover for the new WWE game, makes me doubt that it was his last match. Adding him to "unassigned" is putting in him in the wrong section, I believe: these are people who are yet to have a role or debut. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 14:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::Rock's article use this [http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1613028-the-rock-talks-leaving-wwe-raw-and-whether-wrestlemania-was-his-last-match source] I don't know, but Rock is filming and isn't in the company, so he hasn't a role in the WWE. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 14:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:::That article explicitly states that rumours that Rock had walked out on the WWE as false, while Rock only says that it's "possible" WM29 was his last match. Until we have anything solid that he's no longer under contract with the WWE (remember, you can be under contract without ever showing up on TV. So many retired wrestlers have "legends" contracts, for example. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 14:24, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::::As long as he's on the WWE.com roster page, he stays on this roster. We should know by now that The Rock is a special attraction guy who only works select dates (just like Lesnar). WWE promotes his movies, put him on the video game cover, promotes his "Rock-pocalypse" app, still features him in the ''Raw'' opening, and most importantly of all, '''still lists him as part of [http://www.wwe.com/superstars their main roster]'''. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] ([[user talk:Vjmlhds|talk]]) 16:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== Jericho == |
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I'm well aware of the fact that Chris Jericho has sent out a tweet saying he's taking a hiatus from WWE to tour with Fozzy. But unless WWE.com removes him from their active roster, he shouldn't be removed from this roster either. |
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Jericho has done this for the last few years...work from Rumble time into Mania and through the bulk of the summer, and then in the fall take a break to tour with Fozzy. |
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But just like with The Rock, as long as WWE.com lists him as part of their roster, he stays here as well. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] ([[user talk:Vjmlhds|talk]]) 23:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, but I don't think so. Rock and Jericho appear in the main roster, so they appear in the article, but we use other sourcer. Other sourcer tell us that they aren't in the company because they are working outside the company, so todya, the haven't a role in the WWE, so they are "unassigned". I think that be should move them to Unassigned section. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 12:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::I agree with Vjmlhds for the same reason as I do with The Rock. Jericho is listed as part of the main roster on the site, so he should be here, too. The "unassigned" section if for people who haven't got a role yet; we know what Jericho's role is. Him being on hiatus doesn't change that. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 13:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:::(Administrator note) Pedrigree, the prior consensus decision was that the WWE website is always the definitive source in this matter, with no exceptions--in cases of conflict the WWE site always wins. Now, you could conceivably re-argue that point, but keep in mind that it leads you down a very complex and difficult path of deciding exactly when the "unofficial" sources are good enough to trump the "official" one. And you also have to argue why the creator of the fictional tale (the writers) doesn't trump the comments of the characters/actors. It's a possible argument to make, but you'll first have to do that and change the prior consensus. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 13:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::::OK. I said this because, for example, in 2008, Undertaker was "fired" and his profile was moved to the Alumni section, but sources tell us about a storyline. I know that they appear in the roster page and we can't delete them, but if they are working outside WWE, I think that we should move to other section. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 13:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Jericho may be working outside of the WWE, but he's also working ''for'' the WWE, the same way that Punk was during his recent 1-month hiatus. He's still contracted to appear on the main roster, even if he won't do for some time. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 13:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::Exactly...People work 2 jobs (or multitask) all the time. Just because somebody is working job A, it doesn't mean that they're no longer working at Job B. Jericho has all kinds of irons in the fire...wrestler, rock star, reality shows, etc. Ditto Rock...movie star, reality show host, wrestler. And don't forget WWE's recent trend of signing guys to shorter schedules (Rock, Brock, Jericho, RVD) so these guys can fufill their other outside ventures. Long story short, guys are juggling lots of things these days. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] ([[user talk:Vjmlhds|talk]]) 18:16, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::A note by his name, as is today, should suffice. If/when his hiatus turns to leaving, we'll list him like [[Mantaur]] or [[Charlie Haas]] (that is, nowhere). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] <span class="sfrac nowrap"{{#if:|>[[July 18|Today's Special]]<span style="display:none;"> </span><span}} <!-- |
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:::Mantaur...now there's a blast from the past. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] ([[user talk:Vjmlhds|talk]]) 22:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::::<small>Not my past. I still reference him pretty frequently. Just noticed he's had a page move, though. Not sure what to think about that. Why can't wrestlers all just wear their last names on their trunks? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:11, [[July 18|July 18]], [[2013]] (UTC)</small> |
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== What's with this Total Divas stuff? == |
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Why are we mentioning this in the notes? Wrestlers often appear in other shows. We don't list those in their notes. |
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And why only mentioned in the women's notes? According to [[Total Divas]], Kidd, Cena, Clay and Bryan are also featured. |
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Probably worth mentioning for the newbs, who have no other connection to WWE. But not for the established women. Save that for their "Other Media" sections, like the rest. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:01, [[August 1]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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== Edit request on 25 August 2013 == |
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Rey Mysterio has return at a wwe live event on August 23, 2013 so plz takes rey mysterio off the injured knee thx |
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[[User:D Yorker|D Yorker]] ([[User talk:D Yorker|talk]]) 21:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC) |
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: {{Already done}} <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 22:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== Rules? == |
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I'm concerned with the two edits in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_WWE_personnel&diff=570293331&oldid=570254165 this diff] by DAhumorist and VJmhlds. I thought that the previously agreed upon rule was strictly based on who is listed on the official WWE roster. Am I misunderstanding? 22:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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: I was also concerned about those edits, [http://www.wwe.com/superstars as far as I can see] Dibiase is still on the roster, but it looks like J Bronson is not on the [http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt NXT superstars section anymore]. Dibiase also has not revealed the normal "we wish him well in his future endeavours" article on WWE.com, so I am dubious of this uncited YouTube video. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 22:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:I'm a bit concerned about war erupting and the page being locked again, but not about whether this is technically right or wrong. It was a clear rule and not long ago. There's one box on the checklist, and it says "On WWE.com Roster?" The answer is completely in that box, obvious as [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigRedButton "RED BUTTON: DO NOT PUSH!"] [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 23:43, [[August 26]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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On the subject of NXT superstars that are not listed on WWE's NXT filter, Richie Steamboat and Adam Mercer are not listed on there but are listed on here on Wikipedia's List of WWE personeel. Do we know if either of them are still with WWE? [[Special:Contributions/5.69.99.241|5.69.99.241]] ([[User talk:5.69.99.241|talk]]) 03:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:I've removed them for the time being. And Malik Omari. Not sure about this Kendall Skye. The only mention she has on WWE.com is in an article about Alicia Fox, where she is called a "NXT Diva and ring announcer". Doesn't seem like she's a wrestler. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:58, [[August 27]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:: Sorry, but this is absurd. WWE.com doesn't update the NXT roster regularly, but the current NXT wrestlers are continually updating their twitter. Not to mention results occasionally pop up with new wrestlers wrestling. Cal Bishop, for example, who you felt necessary to delete has wrestled on at least 3 NXT shows [http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/cal-bishop-9599.html Cal bishop's matches] [[User:Dahumorist|Dahumorist]] ([[User talk:Dahumorist|talk]]) 23:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Rules are rules. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 23:26, [[August 27]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::: Rules that don't factor in the facts are rules that need to be fixed. Malik Omari, Cal Bishop and others are A) Under WWE developmental contracts and B) wrestle for NXT. On top of that a number of other wrestlers Cole Andrews (real name Stephen Good), Bull Dempsey (real name Smith James), and Braun Stowman (real name Adam Scherr) have been recently assigned ring names by NXT and they've been updating their twitters to reflect their new official WWE/NXT personas. Under what circumstances can we actually include this information on the wikipedia page? [[User:Dahumorist|Dahumorist]] ([[User talk:Dahumorist|talk]]) 23:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::When they are listed on the official website's roster, we can list them here. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 23:35, [[August 27]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::::::So despite the fact that Cal Bishop has actually been wrestling as an NXT wrestler, he's not eligible to be listed as such? [[User:Dahumorist|Dahumorist]] ([[User talk:Dahumorist|talk]]) 23:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::Also, unless you have a source for their release from contract, I think it's quite irresponsible to delete members from the roster and not at LEAST re-list them under unassigned employees. [[User:Dahumorist|Dahumorist]] ([[User talk:Dahumorist|talk]]) 23:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yeah, that wasn't cool of me. Didn't do it on purpose, but should have thought about that. Fine if you'd like to put them there (or would you rather I do it?) |
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:::::::If you have any more questions about the rule, maybe reading the most recent archive of this talk page would help. It's not short (five or six sections), but it's thorough. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:07, [[August 28]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::::::::So despite Cody Rhodes actually only being kayfabe fired, WWE.com has removed his profile from the website. Now according to the oh-so-precious, infallible rules, he should be removed from this wikipedia page. Do I agree? No, but as you've said before "rules are rules"... [[User:Dahumorist|Dahumorist]] ([[User talk:Dahumorist|talk]]) 16:41, 3 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::::: That is different though. He was removed for storyline reasons, the rules are related to rumored departures. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 17:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I don't see a difference. Storyline, sure, but he's been removed from the roster and won't be appearing. Doesn't mean he won't be back as a married man, but for now, rules are rules. Unassigned personnel would be alright. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:34, [[September 4]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::::::::I think that, as encyclopedia, we have to use a lot of sources. Of course, the most important source is WWE.com roster. But we know that usually, WWE uses it for storylines. We have second level sources, which say that Rhodes isn't fired or unassigned, he is inactive due to storyline. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 00:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Storyline or not, consider what "main roster" means. These are the wrestlers assigned by WWE to work on the main shows. Cody Garrett Runnels is, in very real terms, not a part of that group for now. No house shows, no TV, no WWE roster profile. Just sex on the beach. He's almost certainly still under contract and getting paid, but so is everyone on this list, whatever section they're in. Also, we don't have sources saying ''anyone'' is "unassigned". That's ''our'' word for "Don't fit elsewhere, but reportedly signed." [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 03:51, [[September 4]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Come to think of it, that does make a lot of sense. From now on dealing with any kayfabe firings or otherwise we should move them to the unassigned section, until their return to "work" or their return to the roster on WWE.com. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 04:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I can live with that as well...it'll make life a lot easier when these situations occur in the future. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC) |
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== Booker T on main roster == |
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WTF Why? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 21:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC) |
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: Well, he is [http://www.wwe.com/superstars here]/[http://www.wwe.com/superstars/bookert here], if you see the section above, it was decided if they are on WWE.com's main roster page, then they go on Wikipedia's roster page. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 00:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:: What kind of backwards logic is that? If this is the consensus, then why is Cody Rhodes still on the table? I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous notion. We must revise this consensus immediately. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 03:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}} I've read the above sections and part of the archive. This is some grade-A bullshit. Dahumorist said it best: Rules that ignore facts are rules that need to be fixed. And we're all veterans here on Wikipedia. How many guidelines are you violating by following WWE's table? Off the top of my head, you're ignoring [[WP:OR]]/[[WP:PRIMARY]] in a huge way, as well as every guideline and policy named in [[WP:3PARTY]], including [[WP:RS]], [[WP:N]] and [[WP:V]]. This "consensus" can't fly. A completely ridiculous consensus isn't binding. It's [[WP:IAPD]]/[[WP:BIND]] territory. We either fix this right now on this talk page or whoever supports this insubordination of Wikipedia's standards will have to embarrass themselves by defending it at an [[WP:RFC]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 04:11, 26 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Could you describe this "huge way"? Seems pretty straightforward stuff from WWE.com, and WWE is the only organization on Earth that can decide who's on the main roster (not to be confused with "under contract" or "not actually fired"). Not embarassing or ridiculous. Almost straight from the McHorse's mouth. The only minor interpretation is in translating "Superstars" to "main roster". Any educated person with access to the source should figure it out correctly. Primary sources are fine for stuff like this. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 05:56, [[September 28]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::Considering anyone with an average attention span can figure out that the whole main roster '''DOES NOT''' translate to active competitors on television, it is very clear that the primary source is not adequate for "stuff like this". Cody Rhodes is a prime example. He's off the page and yet he's on TV. And Booker T is another example. He's on the page, yet he hasn't wrestled since WrestleMania 28. It is complete [[WP:OR]] to assume WWE.com's usually kayfabe and disorganized main roster page is representative of their current television product. And "straight from the horse's mouth" is exactly the type of thing we avoid on Wikipedia. Someone needs to start reading those pages I linked above. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 22:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::The way I see it, there's more OR in deciding for ourselves who is on the main roster by interpreting what we see (or don't see) on TV ("analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not advanced by the sources"). Of course, if we "cite reliable, published sources that are '''directly''' related to the topic of the article, and '''directly''' support the material being presented", it's fine. That's not a source that says he's "not really fired" or "still under contract", but one that says he is part of the main roster (or a synonym). It should be alright to note Booker T hasn't wrestled since WrestleMania. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:43, [[October 1]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::::I think like Feedback. Wikipedia uses multiples sources. Rhodes is assigned to the main roster and was kayfabe fired. I don't understand why we translated him to Unassigned. He was assigned to the main roster because other sources tell us. Or Rock, he isn't in WWE but we put him in the roster because he has a WWE Profile. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 23:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::If you have a source that says he's assigned to the main roster, it might be usable. A quick news Google shows many secondary sources saying he's headed to Pro Wrestling Syndicate when his 90-day expires. Might be a work. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:43, [[October 1]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::::Please keep this discussion [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] per our rules. Also, please don't forget that this is an article about a fictional work, and we need to keep in mind how that determines what is "true" or what isn't. As a general rule, interpreting "meaning" can be done by independent sources, even if that meaning contradicts the "author" (like how a novelists interpretation of the symbolism or themes of a book does not outweigh a literary critics interpretation), but that for "facts" (what is literally printed/shown in the book), the primary source can be taken as the definitive source. Furthermore, if people want to revise the consensus, they're going to need to propose a very specific, clear alternate means of differentiating between who "belongs" and who doesn't, and keep in mind that previous attempts at "normal" editing have resulted in edit wars, which themselves have resulted in page protection and account blocks. As an admin, I'm inclined to believe that this page needs a clear-cut way of deciding who is in and who is not, and that a case-by-case method will not work. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 00:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}}Unless I'm missing some other more specific list, the primary source lists on the "current roster" every single person who appears on-screen, from backstage interviewers, to authority figures, to divas, to inactive wrestlers who haven't appeared in ages. Now, there are plenty of third-party sources that can confirm that: |
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*Brock Lesnar is not a member of the current roster and only wrestles on an occasional basis (about 2-3 times a year). |
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*Booker T, Josh Matthews, Theodore Long, Renee Young, Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler, JBL, Vickie Guerrero and Brad Maddox are non-wrestling characters and have not wrestled a match on WWE Television in over a year. |
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*Triple H, Ricardo Rodriguez, Paul Heyman, William Regal, Alex Riley and Zeb Colter are also non-wrestling characters, but have occasionally "wrestled" at least ONCE in the past year. |
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*Curt Hawkins, Evan Bourne, Yoshi Tatsu and Camacho have not performed on WWE television in a substantial amount of time, and have instead participated at WWE NXT, the company's developmental territory. Summer Rae wrestled in NXT and appears as a non-wrestling character in WWE programming. |
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*Hunico, Ezekiel Jackson, Rey Mysterio, David Otunga and Scott Stanford have been MIA on WWE programming. |
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*The Rock's current WWE status is completely up in the air. At a WWE press conference, they dodged every question about whether The Rock was still with the company, and The Rock said himself in an interview that he has no idea if he would wrestle again. |
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*Cody Rhodes and Goldust have both wrestled on WWE programming and are booked to continue to wrestle for the foreseeable future, even though they are not on the company's page. They are only jobless on television in "[[kayfabe]]". |
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WWE's "current roster" list is a mixture of various personalities and it is not meant to be utilized as a reflection of the current in-ring performers on WWE television. As long as there is a substantial amount of 3rd party sources to support these claims/facts, it is a violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]] to focus this page on this silly list. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 03:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:So, I just want to clarify your stance here. Are you saying that if the producers of a sitcom stated on their website that Person X was a recurring character in the show, but that if a third party source disagreed, you would recommend inclusion of the third party's claim? If so, how in this case do you recommend defining the terms "Main roster", "Developmental roster", "Broadcast team", and other relevant terms? That is, when there is conflict between sources, how will this conflict be resolved? In a prose article, of course, we'd just list both claims, but in a list article that's pretty hard to do. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 10:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::There is no conflict, and the example you used doesn't fit. This is analogous to a sitcom stating on their website a generalized alphabetical "cast and crew" list, and Wikipedia deciding that they are all starring cast members. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 23:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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So why the hell is Booker listed under male wrestlers. He hasn't competed in over 2 years and has publicly stated that he's past that stage of his career. You can't use his listing on the roster on the wwe website as an excuse. By that logic why not include Alex Riley as he is still introduced as a wwe superstar on the raw and smackdown pre-shows. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.234.75.43|89.234.75.43]] ([[User talk:89.234.75.43|talk]]) 14:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Inactive talent == |
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I suggest recreating a section we used to have called "Inactive talent". I don't remember how long ago we had it, but it was probably pre-20010. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_WWE_personnel&oldid=241365487 Here is a random old link showing the section]. Considering this list is for readers who want to find out about WWE's current roster, I think it is important to reflect what is currently on TV. Seeing a bunch of "inactive" stars on the list is rather silly. I think 30 days is a great cut-off date and I'm glad we're using it, but we should enforce it in a much stricter fashion and remove these guys from the table. Add them to another table of "Inactive talent" with a reference on what they are up to. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 06:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::Disagree. The whole reason we scrapped it in the first place was because there was constant argument over what qualified as inactive and it just got too out of hand and too much of a mess. The way it is now works fine, and it has for a number of years. And overall, The roster as it sits is perfectly fine. If WWE considers guys like Rock, Brock, and Undertaker part of the roster, who are we to argue? It's '''''their''''' roster, and if they say those guys are a part of it, then their word is law. Now of course, those guys only wrestle a handful of matches a year, but their reason for being there is to wrestle on major shows. They are wrestlers who work for WWE. They have light schedules, so what? WWE considers them every bit a part of the roster as Curt Hawkins. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 13:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Aye. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 09:48, [[October 7]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:::: Yeah, I do not think we need ''another'' section in the article, I think having the note next to their entry on the roster is enough. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 14:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::: I think that a note is enough --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 16:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC) |
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As far as current "inactive" talent, perhaps research needs to be done? I know that Matt Bloom/Tensai is a color commentator on NXT and Evan Bourne is out on injury. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.119.17.186|128.119.17.186]] ([[User talk:128.119.17.186|talk]]) 15:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Big Show. == |
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I just want to bring something up before any changes are made to the article. |
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On ''Raw'', Big Show was fired, but then came back to knock out HHH. Now even though he technically isn't on the WWE.com roster at present... |
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'''(spoiler alert, so for those that don't want to know, you can't say I didn't warn you)''' |
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...[http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/300026 as per the spoilers, it will be revealed that it was Vince McMahon who re-hired him, explaining why he was able to come back after being fired earlier.] |
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So even though he isn't on the roster in the present kayfabe world, he still has his job thanks to Vinny Mac. |
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As per [[WP:Spoiler]] this bit of information should be able to override any arguments as to why he should be left off...it's the same deal as with title changes that haven't yet aired...as long as they can be referenced, they're OK. |
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Thank you. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 00:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:Regardless of anything, he shouldn't be taken off anyway. [[Kayfabe]] =/= reality. It's the same thing from when Cody and Scott Armstrong were fired. — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 07:55, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::Your link is broken and I haven't found any other link that confirms what you're alleging. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 21:10, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Me neither, but there's probably a ''shred'' of truth [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aQP4dXFgs here]. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 16:44, [[October 10]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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== Ricardo Rodriguez == |
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I've moved Ricardo to the main roster, since he wrestled as a luchador jobber during the ''SmackDown'' tapings. |
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In all reality, Ricardo is by trade a wrestler, and is something of a utility man/jack of all trades. He's a ring announcer, manager, wrestles occasionally as Ricardo, and can play luchador jobber at the drop of a hat. He can do a bit of everything. |
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So it's not really fair to pigeonhole him strictly as "other on-air talent". |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 16:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:Even less so than with the rosters, reality doesn't count for much here. Whatever they're booked as is what they are. Even Kurt Angle had the General Manager label, despite never even qualifying for the World Management Championships with a broken freakin' neck. |
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:''If'' this jobador is a recurring character (like poor Ultimo Dragon was), I'd agree with counting him as a wrestler. I see RVD has "lost his smile", so I'd probably assume Ricardo will need ''something'' to do, and finally wrestling sounds reasonable. I'm calling [[WP:IAR]] on [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. Oh, it's true. It's ''damn'' real. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 18:53, [[October 9]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::[[WP:Crystal]] really isn't in play here, as Ricardo has wrestled numerous matches in WWE since he's come aboard, both as Ricardo and as El Local. Just in the past month he wrestled on the September 25th episode of ''NXT'' as El Local, he wrestled Del Rio twice as Ricardo (a couple of weeks ago on ''SmackDown'', and last Monday on ''Raw''), and now as El Local again on this week's ''SmackDown''. It's not about trying to predict the future regarding Ricardo, it's about trying to be accurate. He's a wrestler that performs numerous different tasks playing 2 different characters (Ricardo and El Local). [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 22:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::It's a little in play. Enough to be acknowledged, but not so much it can't be ignored. Even more now that you say he was El Local, not some new gimmick (I should have figured that one out). El Local is already somewhat established. It was just that he was outweighed by the manager role. Now that he presumably (see the crystal?) won't be managing, the balance shifts. And he's on the WWE.com Superstar list, so all good. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 16:30, [[October 10]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::::Not presuming anything. Right now, with RVD on hiatus, Ricardo isn't managing/ring announcing for anybody. Now will he again in the future, more than likely. But we'll get there when we get there. Right now, they're putting him to use in the ring. BTW, I fixed the link on the Big Show section...fat fingers on my part earlier...my bad. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 18:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== Creative Writers == |
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The Creative Writers roster is completely inaccurate. |
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Tom Cassiello is a writer, not assistant writer. |
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WRITERS TO BE ADDED: |
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Angelo Fazio |
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Steven Oppenheim |
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Michael Notarile |
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Cary Millman |
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Darren Chiapetta |
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Eddie Feldman, SVP Creative |
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WRITERS TO BE REMOVED: |
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Eric Pankowski. His firing was widely recognized. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TMWalters|TMWalters]] ([[User talk:TMWalters|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TMWalters|contribs]]) 21:48, 11 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Can't be added or changed without sources. Preferably [[WP:RS|reliable ones]]. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:54, [[October 11]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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Why does the link for the head raw creative writer go to The Great Khali? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.177.220.241|70.177.220.241]] ([[User talk:70.177.220.241|talk]]) 05:11, 26 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:because mr. Kapoor was khali's manager.--[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 12:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC) |
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:It's because the person in question – David Kapoor – does not have an article of his own. However, he did appear on-screen as the character Ranjin Singh, who managed Khali. Therefore, the most information on Kapoor is in the Khali article, under the "Arrival of Ranjin Singh and world championship pursuits (2007–2008)" section. Previously it wasn't jumping to said section correctly, but I've fixed it now – thanks for bringing this to our attention! — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 12:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC) |
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== John Cena == |
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John Cena should no longer be on the inactive list. |
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He's being promoted as wrestling for the World Title at the Hell in a Cell PPV, and WWE has him going all over the media circuit promoting the PPV and Susan G Komen (always making sure he has his pink "Rise Above Cancer" gear on). |
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WWE considers him good to go as they're putting him in a major match right off the bat, and he's getting his mug back out in the public airwaves, reminding us he's alive and well, and ready to go. |
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He's medically cleared and going on every talk show they can cram him in on...looks like he's an active part of the roster to me. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 23:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC) |
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: Cena is promoted to appear in two weeks. Then, he will be active. He doesn't appeard in RAW, SD or any WWE program. Also, WWE says that Rey will wrestle in Mexico, but he is inactive. Kane is filming See no evil 2, a WWE Movie. In that case, is he active? --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 02:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::Cena and Kane are apples and oranges...Cena is wrestling for a World Title in a couple of weeks, thus he's front and center in WWE's main business. Kane is MIA, presumably locked up in the Wyatt Family's barn somewhere, thus he's out of sight/out of mind. Now Glen Jacobs is shooting a movie, true...but the Kane character is still AWOL. Cena the man (and Cena the character) are however up and running, and featured on WWE programming (as well as other talk shows and what not). [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 14:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Cena will wrestle in a couple of weeks. so he will be active in a couple of weeks, but today, he is inactive. He doesn't appear in RAW, SD or WWE Program. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 14:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Inactive means out of mind, out of sight, not doing anything, not being mentioned, basically not existing. WWE is bending over backwards promoting Cena's PPV World Title match, and having him go on all these different talk shows to get him back out in the public airwaves. Sitting quietly at home and rehabbing his elbow = inactive. Going on the talk show circuit and wrestling on PPV for a World title = active. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(tslk)]] 17:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::: I think if he is not actively appearing on television then we should not consider him active. It does not really matter if he is appearing outside of the company's weekly shows promoting the PPV match, because he is not actively competing in WWE. Especially if he has not appeared in 30 days (I have not been watching much recently) then he definitely should not be considered active, since that you know, is our rule. <font color="#BA181F">'''[[User:STATicVerseatide|STATic]]</font> <font color="#BA181F"><small>[[User talk:STATicVerseatide|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small></font>''' 18:05, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Invisible, incomprehensible, insignificant, inexistent, inanimate or interred might be the words you're looking for, VJ. Inactive just means not active. In this context (wrestlers), "not actively wrestling". Saying he's currently active based on future plans is more than an El Local-style crystalballing. It's inignorable (not a word) here. For all we know, he may be injured (totally a word) again before the show. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 18:23, [[October 12]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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::::::Let's do this...if he shows up on ''Raw'' Monday or next week (the 2 shows before the PPV), he's active - no if ands or buts...if not we'll hold off until the PPV. That seems like the fair thing to me, even though this particular situation is getting into splitting hairs territory. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 21:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== Barrett and Mysterio == |
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Both Wade Barrett and Rey Mysterio returned this week as they are wrestling on WWE's Mexican tour. |
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Here's the [http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/300933/WWE-House-Show-Results-10.16.13:-Queratro,-Mexico.htm report from Wednesday night's show], and [http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/301049/Rey-Mysterio-Returns-to-the-Ring-Last-Night-in-Mexico.htm one from last night]. |
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They're both wrestling on the tour, so there should be no problems removing them from the inactive list. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 14:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:Nice. Matches, they are active. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 21:05, 18 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== NXT == |
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Troy McLain teamed with Travis Tyler on NXT and wrestled against The Ascension on the November 7th 2013's episode of NXT. Source: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1107/567115/wwe-nxt-recap-harper-vs-ohno So Troy McLain is no longer Yet to appear on NXT. |
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Also on the same episode they mentioned they mentioned that Alexander Rusev fired Sylvester LeFort as his (Rusev's) manager and the blonde woman (who is named Lana) that has appeared ringside during his matches for the past two weeks is Rusev's sole manager. [[Special:Contributions/5.71.46.183|5.71.46.183]] ([[User talk:5.71.46.183|talk]]) 13:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC) |
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In Accordance to the "rules" Established above, this still needs to be changed and his name on WWE.com is spelt 'Troy McClain. |
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Other changes needing to be done include: |
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Judas Devlin, Mickie Keegan and Raquel Diaz need to be in Unassigned. None of the three are on the WWE.com roster. And the belief on Keegan is that he is now just a creative assistant. Not sure what the policy is on that, the last person bumped from the roster but still hired by the company (Alisha Ceraso/Dani) is not on this list. |
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Also Jojo is now only listed on the NXT filter roster, not on the main one.[[Special:Contributions/69.171.176.153|69.171.176.153]] ([[User talk:69.171.176.153|talk]]) 02:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I fixed it. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 23:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC) |
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Leo Kruger profile is gone, Adam Rose is up. I think we can safely just list Adam Rose. |
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Also not sure how official a source you count twitter but Jody Krisstofferson/Garrett Dylan has been claiming for a while to be back with NXT. Haven't seen an article on a site about it but he does do the usual posting deal most NXT guys do. So there's something to be on the look out for in terms of sources.[[Special:Contributions/69.171.176.130|69.171.176.130]] ([[User talk:69.171.176.130|talk]]) 03:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC) |
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== Batista == |
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WWE has officially announced that Batista is back with the company, and [http://www.wwe.com/superstars/batista his return date will be January 20, 2014]. |
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Even though he isn't on the WWE.com roster (yet), this is a case where really it's just a formality as the announcement has been made and the return date set. |
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The roster rule is great for when we're not sure about somebody (like Chris Jericho or RVD for example), but in some select cases there should be exceptions, such as when it's an obvious storyline firing (like Big Show was a couple of months ago), or when WWE clearly states and promotes that a guy is coming back (like now with Batista). |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 04:43, 24 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:WWE clearly stated he ''will be'' back. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 05:07, [[December 24]], [[2013]] (UTC) |
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:Just saw the Rumble announcement. Makes more sense to list him now. In my own mind, he's only back whe he's back, but no objections about Wikipedia. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 07:40, [[January 7]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::Just to put an end to any confusion about Batista's status, [http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/309609/List-of-confirmed-WE-Dates-For-Batista.htm here's a list of confirmed appearances he has lined up in WWE leading up to WrestleMania]. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 21:16, 12 January 2014 (UTC) |
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== Sin Cara == |
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He is declared inactive, yet he appeared on the latest edition of Raw. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.78.181.159|184.78.181.159]] ([[User talk:184.78.181.159|talk]]) 04:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::That was Hunico under the mask, the original Sin Cara has been MIA forever, and will probably be cut soon if the reports are true. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 04:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:I added a bit in the Note column explaining what's what. Though the only thing you can be less sure of than a masked man is a masked man ''in wrestling''. We're still not totally sure who Shawn Michaels' [[Survivor Series (1993)|Knights]] were. Could be [[Ai Fujita]] under there, for all we really know. Reliable sources say it's Arias, though. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 04:57, [[January 9]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:<small>Redlinked?!? Baloney. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 04:59, [[January 9]], [[2014]] (UTC)</small> |
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Instead of explaining how the guy who used to be the guy is no longer the guy the other guy is, I've just changed Sin Cara's real name. If Wikipedia'd been around in Demolition's day, we'd have done the same to [[Randy Colley|Smash]]. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 05:13, [[January 9]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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Regardless of which man is under Sin Cara, that does NOT change the fact that WWE still shows him as Sin Cara. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.78.181.159|184.78.181.159]] ([[User talk:184.78.181.159|talk]]) 05:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Yeah, Sin Cara's not inactive. Just Urive. Arias seems to be the same character this time, not an impostor. For now, anyway. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 06:58, [[January 9]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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Now, urive disspeared from wwe roster. S:--[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 13:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:I was thinking of putting Urive in unassigned, but his contract apparently [http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1226/568653/backstage-news-on-the-original-sin-cara-status/ expires today]. Haven't heard he's gone ''or'' resigning, but gone seems most likely, till something clearer comes up. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 09:56, [[January 10]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== New Age Outlaws == |
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I moved the New Age Outlaws to the main roster, as it's become apparent that they just didn't show up like all the other legends on ''Old School Raw'' as a one-and-done. |
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They're now knee deep in the Punk vs Authority storyline, and (without giving too much away from ''SmackDown'') they have business with the Rhodes Brothers as well. |
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I know...they're not on the WWE.com official roster. But both Billy Gunn and Road Dogg work for WWE anyway in backstage roles, so it's not a question of if they're signed with WWE (they obviously are). |
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Right now though, they're being used on-air as part of a major storyline, so for the time being anyway, they should be on the main roster. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds]] 16:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:Aye. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 18:31, [[January 15]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::I agree, it's a good place for them for now. Let's make sure we keep an eye on it so we don't have a repeat of that Jerry Lawler back and forth from a couple years ago haha. [[User:Kjscotte34|Kjscotte34]] ([[User talk:Kjscotte34|talk]]) 19:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I'll cop to that somewhat. But in the beginning part of 2011 Lawler was wrestling a good bit - numerous ''Raw'' matches, feuding with then WWE Champion Miz, a PPV title match against him at Elimination Chamber 2011, and had his silly feud with Michael Cole leading to '''3''' PPV matches with him (WrestleMania XXVII, Extreme Rules, Over The Limit), so at that time placing him on the main roster was justified. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::No need to defend yourself, it was the right move. Just attempting to inject a little bit of humor. You guys all do a great job -- it's why I stay out of the way on here and let you guys handle most of the heavy lifting on this page while I tend to vandalism on the baseball ones. :-) Have a great day and keep up the good work! [[User:Kjscotte34|Kjscotte34]] ([[User talk:Kjscotte34|talk]]) 10:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh you didn't know?...The Outlaws are [http://www.wwe.com/superstars now officially on WWE.com's roster].[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 00:35, 18 January 2014 (UTC) |
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===Logan Shulo=== |
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On the unassigned table there you can see Logan Shulo, so rub it and link this page ''[[Logan Shulo]]''. For any questions, go to my [[User talk:Ikhtiar Hossain|talk page]] [[User:Ikhtiar Hossain|Ikhtiar Hossain]] ([[User talk:Ikhtiar Hossain|talk]]) 03:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:Article was nominated to deletion, so don't remove the warning. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 12:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC) |
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== Rob Van Dam == |
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WWE released a statement saying RVD was no longer under contract a while ago. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 05:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC) http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/301482 |
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*Fair being fair, RVD has been moved to the alumni page on WWE.com, so he's currently not considered part of the roster. So as has been the policy for the last year or so...unless it's an obvious storyline firing (like with Big Show recently) if they're not on the WWE.com roster, then they don't go on the roster here. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user:Vjmlhds|(tslk)]] 00:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::I think we should have a bit of an [[WP:IAR|ignore all rules]] policy in the case of RVD and keep him on the page. He's clearly still under contract for company, and also tweeted recently that he'll be returning fairly soon. The reason we have the "(inactive)" tag is precisely for reasons such as these: wrestlers who are still contracted, and therefore still part of the WWE personnel, but are taking time off for one reason or another (which is what the source for RVD says: it says that this is temporary and implies that he will be back). — '''''[[User:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">Richard</font>]] [[User talk:Richard BB|<font color="#8000FF">BB</font>]]''''' 12:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::There is a WWE reference next to the inactive tag stating that this is merely a break for RVD, and not a release. I was unaware of this before. Since this is straight from WWE, and not some guy who knows RVD's uncle's mechanic or something like that, I'll reverse course and say RVD should stay on the list with an inactive tag until he gets back. Although I will say moving him to the alumni page shows WWE is sending mixed signals here. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[User talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 14:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Well, only WWE decides who is in the main roster and RVD isn't. But he has a contract, so maybe, the best idea, unassigned people. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 02:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::I can live with that compromise regarding RVD. He's not officially on the roster, but WWE made it clear he'll be back [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 03:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}} Where in god's name on that WWE reference does it say Rob Van Dam is still under contract? Unbelievable. I posted a reference above of WWE stating officially that RVD is not under contract. And yet, you go ahead and look at a "He's taking time off" article and assume that means he's under contract? WTF? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em; class=texhtml">[[User:Feedback|<big><font color="#039">'''''Feed'''''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/Feedback|<big><font color="#008000">'''''back'''''</big>]] <big><sup>[[User talk:Feedback|'''☎''']]</sup></big></span> 12:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:Not sure why I didn't notice this yet. Feedback's right. I declare horsefeathers. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:38, [[January 31]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:Whoa, man. The edit took off 402 bytes. That's, like, 4:20 backwards. Trippy. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:42, [[January 31]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:<small> Posted at 00:42. Cosmic, dude. Now I know why I didn't notice this yet. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 00:43, [[January 31]], [[2014]] (UTC)</small> |
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== CM Punk == |
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Before anything gets out of hand, let's agree to this... |
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Unless WWE or CM Punk himself announces he's leaving the company, don't take him off the roster. WWE.com still lists him as part of the roster, so as long as he's there, he's here. |
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Also don't list him as inactive until we hit the 30 day mark. |
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Who knows...they may kiss and make up, cut ties completely, or have this whole be revealed as an über-work. |
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But until something definitive comes out, the staus quo should remain here. |
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Thank you. |
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[[user talk:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:vjmlhds|(talk)]] 05:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:I say überwerk. CM "Corporate Ministry" Punk is revealed to have been the Higher Power all along, and helps Faarooq end the streak at WrestleMania XXX. But yeah, best to not spoil it for readers. As long as he's on WWE.com, he's welcome here. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 09:16, [[January 31]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::Monday March 3 is ''Raw'' from Chicago...if Punk doesn't appear there, then we can deactivate him, as we'll have passed the 30 day mark. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 17:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::So what now? Does he remain on the roster or does he get removed?--[[User:Mjs1991|Mjs1991]] ([[User talk:Mjs1991|talk]]) 12:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::::WWE.com listed him as part of the roster. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 13:03, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::He's apparently going to be under contract until July. We should keep him as is until then, unless something interesting happens.[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000|talk]]) 18:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Stephanie McMahon == |
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Since she appears just about every week, should Stephanie McMahon be moved to other on-air personnel? |
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:Probably. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 16:18, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== Hulk Hogan. == |
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He's been billed as the host of WrestleMania, has done some talking, but hasn't wrestled in a (young) dog's age. He ''might'' rematch The Iron Sheik (or someone), but that's pretty farfetched, and nothing indicates he will. So he shouldn't be listed as a male wrestler. I thought this would go without talk, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_WWE_personnel&diff=597093138&oldid=597092643 apparently] it's controversial. Discuss. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 17:15, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::All I'm saying is don't ASS-U-ME anything. He's on the WWE.com official roster, so the ''safer'' route would be to put him on our roster so if/when he gets put in a match, we don't have to go through this again. He may or may not wrestle, but Hulk Hogan ''is'' by trade a wrestler, so the more prudent route is to treat him as such. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 17:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Brad Maddox, El Torito and Zeb Colter are also wrestlers, and listed on the WWE.com roster. But that's not their current role. "Going through this again" is hardly tedious. It's just a copy/paste '''if''' he's announced for a match. If the bolding wasn't clear, that's a big if. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 17:31, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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[http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/26336514 Although he is not currently due to participate directly in the upcoming WrestleMania, Hogan has not ruled out a return to the ring.] |
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"Right now, it's not in the plans," he said on Friday. "But like they say in the WWE, never say never." |
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He will instead be focused on representing the company and taking part in WWE programming. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 17:35, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::::Maddox, Torito, and Colter are bit players, so it's apples and oranges, and the article about Hogan proves my point...''we don't know'' if he'll wrestle or not. My whole point is that it's just better to be safe than sorry. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 17:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm not sure what bit (or big) players have to do with anything. Sometimes Maddox, Torito, and Colter do wrestle, but that's not their primary function. Hogan might wrestle (although he admits it isn't in the plans) but his current role is a nonwrestling one. Hulk's edit is the way to go.[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000|talk]]) 18:13, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::I think Hogan should be in other on air employees. He is the host, not a wrestler. Maybe, he'll wrestle, but right now he is a no wrestler. WWE says never say never. In that case, even Rene Young or Jerry Soto should be listed as wrestlers. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 18:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::The way you guys are thinking is merely on WrestleMania, and not long term or long range...just because he has a role for show A, doesn't mean that it'll be that way for show B. Putting Hogan in "other talent" is very narrow-visioned, and leaving too much to chance. By having him on the roster, we're covered if/when he does wrestle, and if he doesn't...then really, so what? Nobody wrestles every single week on every single show. WWE.com lists him as part of their official roster, and that's the important thing. Having him on the main roster here covers more situations than if he's placed in "other talent". Remember, we had a big hullabaloo here a few years ago when The Rock hosted WM 27 about where he should be placed, and look what wound up happening with him. I'm not saying it ''will'' happen that way here, but merely saying that history shows it ''can'' happen that way, so I'm just saying we should do the safe thing in having Hulk on the roster. If he wrestles - great, if not - no harm-no foul. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::Really? You revert with the summary "Don't be presumptious", then reason like this? That must have been a typo, right? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 19:41, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:::::::::Listing him in "other talent" presumes he can't/won't wrestle. Listing him on the roster gives us wiggle room (it doesn't mean that he ''will'' wrestle, just means that the door is open.) [[User talk:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::::It relays the current info, as reported by reliable sources. That's how Wikipedia works. Otherwise, I could be called Prime Minister of Canada, because I meet the requirements. [[France]] ''could'' cease to exist, like Kent Brockman once reported. Is it presumptuous to call it a sovereign state? I'm not thinking ahead to WrestleMania or even SmackDown. Just today. If things change, Wikipedia changes. Not before. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 19:51, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:::::::::I wasn't kidding about Scotty on my Talk Page either. Was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Scotty_2_Hotty&diff=597094775&oldid=597091341 this] a bad call? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 19:54, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::::::::::The BBC reported that he's not in a wrestling role. Ironically it would be presumptuous to assume he would be wrestling at all. Rocky shouldn't have been listed as a wrestler either after he returned in 2011, until it was confirmed he was going to be part of the active roster. Roles ''can'' change, as his did, and when they do we should react accordingly.[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000|talk]]) 20:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Well... The male and female wrestler sections are for employees which principal role in the company is to wrestle. Broadcast team is for Broadcast team (captain obvious), referees for referees (of course, capt. obvious again) and Other on air personnel is for employees who don't wrestle and aren't referees or members of the broadcast team. It means, managers, authority figures, valets... Hogan right now, is a Host, isn't a wrestler, so he belongs to on air employees. Second, we know everything can happen in WWE, but isn't a reason to put every semi-retired worker in the wrestler section. In that case, Rene Young, Jerry Soto, Scott Armstrong or even Basil DeVito should be put in wrestlers section, because you don't know when McMahon'll say to his Senior Advisor "c'mon, fight in the ring". third, roles. Cena's role is wrestle, Lawler's role is talk and Colter's role is to appear with Real Americans. But, if Cena comment a match, he will not be a comentator. If Colter wrestle, he will not be a wrestler. If Lawler manage a wrestler, he will not be a manager. RIGHT NOW, Hogan role is the host of WM, a no-wrestling role. Yes, maybe he'll have one match or two, but it is crystalball. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 20:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:I wouldn't recognize Basil DeVito if he ran in and hit ''me'' with a chair. Would anyone here? Maybe he's El Torito! If we're choosing one thing to assume here, that's my vote. Better than admitting we don't know the bull's name. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:21, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::Me neither. But remember, in WWE, anything can happen. We saw with Laurinaitis, a retired wrestler and an office man who suddenly "Johnny, tomorrow, you're gonna have a match against John Cena". Also, Dave Kapoor (a creative) appeared as Khali's manager. McMahon can create a storyline with the entire Board of Directors as wrestlers... but TODAY, their role isn't wrestle, and Hogan neither. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 21:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I totally agree. I totally see others agreeing. I don't see anyone reverting. Hulk confused. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:36, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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[[file:White flag waving.svg||center|frame|I know when I'm licked. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 21:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)]] |
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== Inactivity == |
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I don't believe I'm really here trying this right now, but here goes. |
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I've been around and have seen a lot of fuss over this article for about 6 years now. Around 2008 is when this article became one of the most controversial on Wikipedia. Even making the news along the way for being on the top 10 of most controversial subjects. Since I've returned, I noticed one of the biggest conflicts remains what it was years ago... |
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Inactivity. |
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I'll try to keep this short and simple. As I look over the article now, years later, much less a fan of wrestling than ever before, I wonder why is inactivity such a big deal to a page where we list employees of the WWE company? It really should not matter how active or inactive anyone is. If they are employed by the company, they are listed here. This isn't a list of "List of active WWE personnel" so why this list continues to note inactivity is a question I'll never be able to answer. |
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So I'm wondering if anyone else sees where I'm coming from. Ideally, I'd like to see the inactivity bits in the notes section removed. These people are still personnel of the WWE regardless of their activity or inactivity. Removing all of that would save this page a lot of edit warring and time-wasting conversations about "whether or not Wrestler X is inactive because it's been 29 days but someone saw them in the corner of the screen on Raw!!!" - it's all very trivial, not important, and falls under the category of "[[WP:FANCRUFT|subjects that are trivial and of importance only to a small population of fans]]". |
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Opinions? Thoughts? '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 19:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::Agreed - I'm not really a stickler for the 30 day rule, but I don't argue with those that are. My big thing is people insisting on listing people strictly as "other on-air talent", when they can and/or do wrestle. Case in point - Hulk Hogan. Why do people insist on listing him as "other on-air talent"? Doing so insinuates that they aren't really wrestlers. This is Hulk Hogan we're talking about here. [[User:vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::That's not the topic of this thread, so please keep that conversation in the above thread to avoid confusion. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 19:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Sorry. Regarding the 30 day "inactivity rule", I can take it or leave it, but It's much better than it was, when there was an actual "inactive list" section. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::I agree, that was a mess. But the factor of activity vs. inactivity remains irrelevant to an employees overall standing as somebody who works for the WWE. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 19:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:It might have its roots in the old WWF rule that a champion had to defend his title at least every thirty days. It just seems a good cut-off number. Good to note, to give a reader an idea of who they might see actively wrestling if they tuned in soon. Paints a picture of the current scene. Remember, this is in the context of the active roster section, not personnel in general. An Inactive section would be cool. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:01, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::I remember the Inactive section, but it was removed and substituted by the 30 days note. However, I think like Hulk. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::You're both clearly fans of wrestling and seem to be only looking at this from a wrestling fan's perspective. What I don't think you're understanding is that this is irrelevant to the overall aspect of a contract between a person and a company. You don't see a roster for a sports team listing players as inactive if they're benched 10 games in a row. If you're employed, you're employed. This article is not designed for "giving a reader an idea of who they might see actively wrestling if they tuned in soon." It's an encyclopedia's article on "personnel in WWE." Perhaps inactivity is something a wrestling wikia would explore, but here it causes edit wars left and right and is very trivial. If you both strongly disagree with me, I'll gladly ask for input of other editors that do not edit professional wrestling articles and could also give an outsiders' opinion. Remember, we're not writing these articles for the hardcore fans. We're writing them as a part of an online encyclopedia. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::::However, I think is important when some wrestler suffered an injury or a suspension (drugs, bad behavior). --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 21:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Again, because you're a fan and that information is important to you. Does an injury have anything to do with the person's contract with the WWE? '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 21:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::I took a look on other articles... basketball teams. We can include their legends to suspensions and injuries. They put a little mark when a player suffered an injury or was suspended. However, I think is important to include it. He is under contract, but he isn't active (basketball players can't play basketball and wrestlers can't perform their simulated matches) --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 21:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::That's fair. But this should only be included when they are injured. Being inactive for 30 days is irrelevant. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 21:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::I understood the irrelevance, and agree. It's why I said it's to be understood in the subsection, not the overall personnel context. I can think like a wrestling fan ''and'' a real person, and there's a place for both. One can't always ''totally'' seperate the two, either. A guy can miss a week, or maybe two, and still be in an active feud, drumming up merch sales, Twitter buzz, bonuses. But after 30 days, they're pretty much forgotten (unless they're The Undertaker). So there's ''some'' relevance to their legit position in the company ("drawing power", the kids say). Of course, they still get paid whatever bare minimum they signed for. That's not always a lot, though (unless they're The Undertaker).[[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:29, [[February 25]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:OK, so it looks like we have an edit warrior. HHH thinks its "important when some wrestler suffered an injury ''or'' a suspension (drugs, bad behavior)". I think what I've said. VJ "can take it or leave it, but It's much better than it was", and is "not really a stickler for the 30 day rule, but I don't argue with those that are". That hardly seems like consensus for Gloss' idea. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 19:56, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::You've yet to bring up one '''valid''' reason for inclusion. Let's start with that. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 19:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Removing the sources goes against [[WP:V]] and removing detail on injuries goes against the general concept of providing information. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:00, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::::Please, show me one sports teams roster where they provide detail on the injury INSIDE of the roster list. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Is this a sports team? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:02, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::::::It's a roster. Just like a sports team has. So what exactly is the difference? '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:04, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::I really have to explain the non-competitive nature of [[professional wrestling]], or how the performers aren't arranged into squads? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:10, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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(out-dent) This is a list of personnel and is no different from a roster. You've also failed to mention how their inactivity effects their standing as an employee, because noting it so specifically on this article implies that being inactive for 30 days has some bearing on their contract or anything. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:You've failed to read, because I mentioned it above. No activity means no work, no buzz, no incentive bonuses. They collect their downside guarantee, and, if it's a lengthy layoff, they often return with no creative direction (storyline), which often leads to a release. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:20, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::If and when they are released, then they should be removed from the page. But just because a pattern has developed over the years where inactivity leads to release doesn't mean it's notable to specifically point out. That kind of information belongs on a wrestling wikia or other fan site, not an online encyclopedia. '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::That doesn't address the financial points, or the part about painting a picture of what a reader can expect if they watched the programming we're discussing. Or that detailing a reason for absence is educational. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:28, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:Now can you explain where anyone supported your proposal? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:22, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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This conversation has gone way too far and I don't care enough to continue fighting over it. I'm going to take this playground off of my watchlist (finally) and let the kids run free. Enjoy, '''[[User:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#000080">Gloss</span>]] • [[User_talk:Gloss|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#007BA7">talk]]'''</span> 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:37, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== Hear me out == |
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All I'm trying to do here is paint with broad strokes regarding this article...the narrower the strokes, the more squabbles we get into regarding where someone should be placed. |
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"Superstar" and "Diva" (2 terms WWE uses frequently) offer far more wiggle room and versatility in the article than the way it was before...remember, at the top of the page it says WWE uses these terms to promote their performers. |
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All I'm looking to do is try to ''prevent'' arguments regarding this article by using more wide ranging terminology. This way we're not pigeon-holing ourselves and nitpicking over technicalities. |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 21:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:First of all. in case of war edit or conflict, we leave the version BEFORE the conflict. So, if somebody wants to argue, we left the inactive note. So, we still arguin, don't put the Gloss version. About Superstar and Diva...yeah, maybe. We write Tecnicos and Rudos in Chikara. However, I think is better Other on air employees and broadcast team. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 21:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:One man's wiggle room is another's vagueness. WWE calls all their talent "Superstars", whether they wrestle or not. I think there's an important distinction between the types. Also a bit jargony to use trademarks to describe them. A bit weird that you leave the distinction for Authority Figures and Managers, and weirder that Vickie isn't there. What basis is there for saying they aren't Superstars? Seems like you're trying to get Hogan in with the wrestlers, through a new convoluted strategy. |
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:In any case, this is a separate issue from the Inactivity thing above, so rather than reverting that back and forth along with this, keep them apart. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:46, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:No clue what your technical tag is about, but reducing jargon like Divas and Superstars would be one way to make it more understandable. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 21:52, [[February 26]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== '''A proposal''' == |
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Let me throw this proposal out there to see if this could cure what ails the article... |
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We simply get rid of the "other on air talent" section, and simply do Male performers (Superstars) and Female performers (Divas) |
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Like this: |
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==Main Roster== |
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===Male performers ("Superstars")=== |
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*We list Maddox, Hogan, Teddy Long, and Zeb along with the wrestlers, with their specific role noted in the notes column |
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===Female performers ("Divas")=== |
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*Including Vickie G. |
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===Announcers=== |
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*Including ring announcers |
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===Referees=== |
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*Self-explanatory |
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This way there's no muss, no fuss, no "maybe he's a wrestler today, but not tomorrow" controversy. |
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4 sections, nothing more, nothing less, and no nebulous quagmires. |
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Also, the inactive rule stands, as the current system (at least regarding that) has proven reasonably successful. |
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What do y'all think? |
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[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 22:28, 27 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:First, I still don't see the toxicity of it all. Today and tomorrow are completely different things. As of today, we write things we can presently verify to be true when the reader reads them. When ''Hogan vs Bundy: The Final Chapter'' is officially announced, then tomorrow will have become today, and we can tell people Hulk's a wrestler again. It doesn't ''have'' to be a nebulous quagmire (cool phrase, though!) |
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:I think it helps readers to quickly and naturally browse by groups, rather than scan an alphabetical list of everyone while looking to the right. Less sexist to differentiate mostly on function, too. Vickie Guerrero is no Natalya, vaginas aside. "Superstar" and "Diva" are less meaningful than plain English terms. |
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:I'm still fine with the usual inactive thing. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:09, [[February 28]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::If something isn't broken, isn't necessary to fix it. I don't see the point to include Hogan (an inactive talent), Long (a general manager) and el Torito (a mascot) with the wrestlers. It's fine to separate wrestlers from other on air employees. --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 13:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC) |
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[[file:Assorted forks.jpg|thumb|center|175px|Pick one, stick it in me, and call me done. This has caused me too much grief. And no, this isn't the white flag again where I tried to do a backdoor plan B...that obviously blew up in my face, and the above proposal was plan C. There is no plan D. [[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 03:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)]] |
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:Not sure why El Torito belongs in others, he wrestles plenty. Probably even more than JTG and Curt Hawkins do. [[Special:Contributions/69.171.176.130|69.171.176.130]] ([[User talk:69.171.176.130|talk]]) 03:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC) |
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::A bit hard to take his wrestling as seriously as JTG's. Always in six-man tags, used more like a comedy spotmonkey. Different when he wrestled other midgets. That said, I didn't put him there, and he ''is'' technically in the matches, unlike [[The British Bulldogs|Matilda]]. No objections. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 23:35, [[March 11]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== CJ Parker == |
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Why is the wrestler, CJ Parker incorrectly linked to Pamela Anderson's Baywatch charcter, Casey Jean "C.J." Parker? [[Special:Contributions/2.221.178.117|2.221.178.117]] ([[User talk:2.221.178.117|talk]]) 12:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC) |
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== Big E == |
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someone please fix Big E's name under champions its Big E not Biggie <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dw122339|Dw122339]] ([[User talk:Dw122339|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dw122339|contribs]]) 17:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Lana == |
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Curious that her name under "Other on-air personnel" isn't highlighted with [[C.J. Perry]] under her name [[User:Talladega87|Talladega87]] ([[User talk:Talladega87|talk]]) 21:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC) |
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:Mystery solved. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 18:12, [[March 30]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== Addition Request == |
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Would it be possible to get the birth date/age of the wrestler/performer/person added as an additional column? It would be cool to be able to sort each section by the age of the wrestlers. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.184.242.228|76.184.242.228]] ([[User talk:76.184.242.228|talk]]) 03:35, 31 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Yeah, that could be cool. Let readers tell the lions from the pups from the dinosaurs. Maybe a column for how long they've worked there, too. All gives context to the list. I suck at tables, sadly. I support someone else doing it if consensus is for it. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:24, [[April 4]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::'''No Way''' Sometimes less is more...you wanna know how old somebody is, click on their article. It would just gunk up the tables. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 23:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::The OP seems to want the ability to sort ''all'' of them by age, not know a particular age. As for gunk, I see enough whitespace room on the right side, just waiting to be filled with something. Two digits isn't a lot. But no, not trying to change your mind. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:01, [[April 5]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2014 == |
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Angelo Dawkins now goes by the name of Gary Gordon and Pierre Marceau goes by the name of Marcus Louis and Cole Andrews was released |
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[[Special:Contributions/207.136.213.243|207.136.213.243]] ([[User talk:207.136.213.243|talk]]) 21:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.<!-- Template:ESp --> — <span class="nowrap">{{U|[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]}}</span> <sup>([[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup> 22:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Request was to have their name changed or taken off the roster <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.136.213.243|207.136.213.243]] ([[User talk:207.136.213.243|talk]]) 21:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2014 == |
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Add Rob Van Dam, he returned to WWE on the April 7, 2014 edition of Raw |
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[[Special:Contributions/216.8.143.76|216.8.143.76]] ([[User talk:216.8.143.76|talk]]) 01:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:This is the second time this page has spoiled Rob Van Dam's return for me. If nobody's done it by the time I've seen it myself, I will. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 02:11, [[April 8]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam Sailor]] ''[[User talk:Sam Sailor|<sup>Sing</sup>]]''</font> 07:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2014 == |
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RVD returned last night so he should be back on the roster |
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[[Special:Contributions/207.136.213.243|207.136.213.243]] ([[User talk:207.136.213.243|talk]]) 17:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Source about a full time return? --[[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 17:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.wwe.com/superstars RVD has been re-added to the WWE.com roster,] so I went ahead and added him here. Just had to make sure this wasn't a one-time thing with him being on ''Raw''. By adding him to their official roster, WWE has shown that RVD will be around at least for a little while. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:05, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Sting == |
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On Bleacher Report, I saw that Steve Borden, more well known as [[Sting]], just signed with the company. Can this be put in the unassigned personnel section of this page? [[Special:Contributions/76.220.66.126|76.220.66.126]] ([[User talk:76.220.66.126|talk]]) 01:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Normally, Bleacher Report articles are worth as much (not financially) as Wikipedia user pages. But [http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2024976-report-sting-officially-signs-with-wwe this one] clearly quotes the Observer. I'd say it's good enough. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:38, [[April 11]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:Added. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 01:50, [[April 11]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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:: There is one disruptive user that keeps removing the mention of that report from the [[Sting (wrestler)|Sting]], you might want to pop over there {{U|InedibleHulk}}. '''[[User:STATicVapor|STATic]] <small>[[User talk:STATicVapor|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small>''' 05:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Another dirtsheet is reporting that Meltzer issued a clarification today, saying that while Sting has been given a contract, the contract has not been returned.[http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/4/12/5609256/sting-still-yet-to-sign-with-wwe-but-may-do-soon] [[User:LM2000|LM2000]] [[user talk:LM2000|(talk)]] |
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:::: Why can't Meltzer get his story straight? That sort of "journalism" is ridiculous. '''[[User:STATicVapor|STATic]] <small>[[User talk:STATicVapor|<span style="vertical-align:super;">message me!</span>]]</small>''' 05:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::That was quick. I've twice explained to the ''Los Angeles Times'' their [http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/30/sports/la-sp-sn-doink-the-clown-20130629 Doink mistake], the next day and a few months later. It's still there. Professional journalists admit mistakes all the damn time. In the ''New York Times'' piece about Meltzer, they admit they didn't even know where Bret Hart was from, or where Brody was killed. They're still cool. LA's fake. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 05:50, [[April 13]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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::::::Best solution...we wait till either WWE.com makes an announcement, or we see Sting come through the curtain on ''Raw''. Otherwise, we're gonna be playing this game until the end of time. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 13:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Even if we do see Sting, we can't be [[Jeff Farmer (wrestler)|too sure]]. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 06:58, [[April 14]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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PWInsider is now reporting that they've come to a deal.[http://www.pwinsider.com/article/85115/wwesting-update-new-wrestlemania-book-total-divas-preview-and-more.html?p=1] Not sure if we ever came to a consensus on whether PWI is reliable for stuff like this, but this report would certainly make sense considering the Warrior Week appearances he's been making on the network.[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000|talk]]) 04:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:That page doesn't load for me, but checking the Google cache, Johnson cites himself from last week as a source. If he'd based last week on Meltzer's premature story, there's an obvious problem. Also, he only says they've "come to terms", meaning the contract is written the way they've agreed. Doesn't mean he's signed it. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 09:20, [[April 21]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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As far as I know (I am the 76. IP Adress user who started this debate), Sting's WWE appearances were on the last [[WCW Monday Nitro]], some Warrior Week interviews on the WWE Network, and a scheduled WWE DVD on Sting. As far as the contact goes, It probably is still waiting to be signed at his house. So technically, it hasn't been signed yet. [[User:DrewieStewie|DrewieStewie]] ([[User talk:DrewieStewie|talk]]) 07:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Clarifications? == |
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Wasn't it decided this page's decisions would be based on the WWE.com roster page. If it is then the following would need to be changed accordingly: |
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- Camacho is still given a main roster profile and but is sorted as a NXT superstar as well, even if he currently only seems to appear on NXT, the WWE.com listing would have him listed as main roster. Otherwise should JBL, Jason Albert, William Regal, Xavier Woods,etc all be moved to NXT as well? |
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- Eden (Brandi Rhodes) has been added back to the NXT roster, she should be listed in their table |
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- WWE.com has yet to update Angelo Dawkins profile, so like when Leo Kruger started as Adam Rose yet still had the Leo Kruger profile, both names should be displayed and have the old one deleted upon the official page change. |
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[[Special:Contributions/69.171.176.205|69.171.176.205]] ([[User talk:69.171.176.205|talk]]) 04:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, I pushed for that decision. Still generally stand by it. But Camacho presents a dilemma. If we list him on the main roster, we'd have to note he's inactive. But that's a half lie, because he's active in NXT. If we say instead he ''only'' wrestles in NXT, it begs the question of what he's doing in the main table. When policy stands in the way of facts like that, it's valid to [[WP:IAR|ignore the rule]]. Unless there's a simpler solution I haven't heard yet. |
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:Regal and Albert may be in the same boat. But JBL and Woods are still quite alive in WWE. |
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:No comments on the other things. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 07:15, [[April 11]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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Carmelo Hayes is on SmackDown now. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.246.112.84|91.246.112.84]] ([[User talk:91.246.112.84#top|talk]]) 09:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Wrestler Linked To Wrong Person == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2024 == |
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Gary Gordon (formerly known as Angelo Dawkins) is currently being linked to a deceased American Master Sergeant by the name of Gary Ivan Gordon who is obviously not the same person as the wrestler. [[Special:Contributions/2.216.238.115|2.216.238.115]] ([[User talk:2.216.238.115|talk]]) 10:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Fixed. [[User:Prefall|Prefall]] ([[User talk:Prefall|talk]]) 11:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== WWE Releases confirmed == |
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I am planning to add Wendi Richter under the Ambassador’s section due to reports of her being under a contract with WWE Legend’s deal. [[User:Glorydayse|Glorydayse]] ([[User talk:Glorydayse|talk]]) 03:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Ambassadors == |
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Time to move [[Raquel Diaz]], [[Mason Ryan]], [[Joel Redman|Oliver Grey]], and [[Danny Burch]] off this list and onto the WWE alumni list. [[Special:Contributions/71.161.244.184|71.161.244.184]] ([[User talk:71.161.244.184|talk]]) 19:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:According to [http://pwinsider.com/article/85329/former-nexus-member-second-generation-diva-and-more-released-by-wwe.html Mike Johnson], anyway. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 19:46, [[April 30]], [[2014]] (UTC) |
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This section is wildly inconsistent. Why are ring names being removed from the column that literally says "Ring names?" [[User:Kjscotte34|Kjscotte34]] ([[User talk:Kjscotte34|talk]]) 16:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Christian == |
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== Drake Stewart == |
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Christian is out (concussion) since more than 30 days, should be listed as inactive. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.93.129.146|65.93.129.146]] ([[User talk:65.93.129.146|talk]]) 00:46, 5 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This twitter post has him responding to someone saying the wikipedia page has the wrong name listed against his name. |
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== Kalisto, Marcus Louis and Tye Dillinger == |
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https://x.com/starks_43/status/1819072636032348175 [[Special:Contributions/31.48.186.97|31.48.186.97]] ([[User talk:31.48.186.97|talk]]) 02:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC) |
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: There is no proof that account belongs to that person. [[User:Addicted4517|Addicted4517]] ([[User talk:Addicted4517|talk]]) 03:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024 == |
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Kalisto and Marcus Louis both made their NXT TV debuts on this week's NXT episode in a tag team match. The tag team was Kalisto & El Local vs Marcus Louis & Sylvester Lefort, Lefort and Louis were introduced as The Legionnaires. <ref>http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/2014-05-08/results-26286051</ref> |
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Tye Dillinger got his first NXT televised win teaming with Jason Jordan defeating Baron Corbin and Sawyer Fulton on April 17th 2014. <ref>http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/2014-04-17/results-26239217</ref> Also, WWE have an official (because it is was uploaded by WWEFanNation which is WWE's official YouTube Channel name) video on YouTube of Tye Dillinger & Jason Jordan asking for help for a tag team name for themselves <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLg2oRTbjWk</ref>. |
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Ambassadors section is messed up in listing and needs fixing. [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C:4182:F980:6521:8F83:40D9:DEA3|2601:8C:4182:F980:6521:8F83:40D9:DEA3]] ([[User talk:2601:8C:4182:F980:6521:8F83:40D9:DEA3|talk]]) 02:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Logan Paul == |
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The problem is WWE haven't updated their NXT roster page to include the above 3 but they have made appearances on the televised NXT episodes that have aired so do they have to wait until WWE update their NXT roster page to include them or do they get included because of them having recent televised matches on NXT? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.204.90.69|90.204.90.69]] ([[User talk:90.204.90.69|talk]]) 11:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[https://411mania.com/wrestling/logan-paul-retired-wrestling/ Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth,] in case there's any questions about why I removed him from the list.[[user:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 23:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Louis & Dillinger, along with Bull Dempsey and Veronica Lane now have profiles on wwe.com. Kalisto still does not. Troy McClain has also already wrestled on NXT last year. Camacho is also still listed on both the main roster and developmental roster, so he should be on the main section with "also appears on NXT". Plus i'd also argue El Torito should be on the roster too if Hornswoggle is.[[Special:Contributions/69.171.176.49|69.171.176.49]] ([[User talk:69.171.176.49|talk]]) 13:59, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Can someone add the WWE ID Wrestlers & Schools in the WWE Personnel page? [[User:Bread1940|Bread1940]] ([[User talk:Bread1940|talk]]) 23:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Wondering where Alexander Rusev went, as he was removed from the main roster for some reason and there wasn't anything addressing why. Is this something similar to what happened to Muhammad Hassan, where WWE wanted to avoid controversy? |
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Carmelo Hayes is on SmackDown now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.246.112.84 (talk) 09:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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I am planning to add Wendi Richter under the Ambassador’s section due to reports of her being under a contract with WWE Legend’s deal. Glorydayse (talk) 03:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⸺(Random)staplers 17:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Ambassadors
[edit]This section is wildly inconsistent. Why are ring names being removed from the column that literally says "Ring names?" Kjscotte34 (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Drake Stewart
[edit]This twitter post has him responding to someone saying the wikipedia page has the wrong name listed against his name. https://x.com/starks_43/status/1819072636032348175 31.48.186.97 (talk) 02:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is no proof that account belongs to that person. Addicted4517 (talk) 03:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Ambassadors section is messed up in listing and needs fixing. 2601:8C:4182:F980:6521:8F83:40D9:DEA3 (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Logan Paul
[edit]Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth, in case there's any questions about why I removed him from the list.Vjmlhds (talk) 23:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
WWE Personnel.
[edit]Can someone add the WWE ID Wrestlers & Schools in the WWE Personnel page? Bread1940 (talk) 23:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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